Fun fact: The students vs Nevermore fight was not in the script, Dillon Gu animated that on his own sonce he thought the script version was too boring.
@@frizen9328 Ah, never mind my original comment. I honestly immediately forgot about the Nevermore fight in V3, I should've double-checked since Monty wasn't the one who worked on it
Interestong point about the not-quite-fights. One of the most dissapointing for me was the not-quite-fight between Qrow and Raven. You'd think that a fight between *twins* would be significant but their clash gets like 10 seconds of screen time. :( sad
Because the writters wrotte themselves into a corner when they had leo state Qrow and Raven are equals (as long as Raven doesnt use her maiden powers) and due to the fact the Vernal shenaningan was on at the time, Raven couldnt simply put have a serious fight with her brother, without ending up revealing she was a maiden.
@@sebas8225 They really messed up the power levels, especially listening to one of those director's commentary and having him state that Oscar is not a Hazel tier fighter yet but he's on the same tier as Emerald & Mercury. LOL WUT??? He wasn't even talking about possessed Oscar, just regular farmer boy Oscar with a month of aura training and hand-to-hand sparring against Ruby.
7.75/9 = 86% 8.5/8 = 106% 14.25/16 = 89% 4.5/7 = 64% 5.5/10 = 55% Looks like a dip in quality to me. A dip in quality that starts in Volume 3, which coincidentally is when Monty Oum happened to die.
I am slightly conflicted on that point. On the one hand 1 and 3 had close scores, on the other Monty wasnt there for all of 3. Leaves me uncertain how to judge it, but considering up to and including season 3, if I remember correctly, they were working until the last second on the episodes its not all that far fetched to consider maybe the fights were simply rushed with Monty there. Which actually makes it worse as with more time for 4 and 5 to work on each episode they are doing worse than when they were working until right at the deadline.
@@silvershadow5652 Things i've seen, not sure if true: 1.They apparently had already started production of V3 before he went to the hospital. 2. Monty probably had a lot of already made animations 3. 2 animators who worked with Monty a lot left after vol. 3
I do believe a dip took place after Monty passing. He did a lot for that show that much is clear. But the letter that went viral after his passing is pretty evident that RT had different motives behind the show. One point was made that Monty wanted team RWBY to be like a sisterhood of friends. Now its a heap of ship baiting and shipping wars. And in my honest opinion I have nothing wrong with LGBT pairings but Bumblebee lacks chemistry. Its pointed out a lot and I agree with it that Blake and Yang barely ever talk within the 1st volumes. Sure they share a dance in 2 and the talk as well. Yang honestly shouldn't be mad about her running it should be Weiss. Remember the end of volume one. She made a promise to weiss that if something big comes up she comes to her team and not someone else.
@@katarinalavoie6476 Yah know it’s been 7 months but I completely agree with you. Also yang was shown to be straight in volume 1 and I understand she could become Bi but where was the development for that it’s like boom now Blake and yang love each other like what? Honestly Blake and sun had more chemistry together but they had to get rid of him for Blake and yang to get together. Sun got blue balled by the creators big sad. I also agree that Weiss should have been the one angry at Blake but I also understand yang should be angry as well since she lost an arm for Blake. Idk know though it just seems like they where better off friends than lovers. Honestly Weiss and ruby getting together is more likely than Yang and Blake, all in all though they should of just kept them friends. The show has just become so frustrating to watch and I believe has diluted from what Monty had originally wanted for the show to be. This show had the potential to be something great but has fallen short of greatness because no one at RT seems to know how to make a decent show. They also throw a lot of the characters abilities *cough* Weiss specifically *cough* out the window. The show is so different from what it was originally and it’s sad.
I know i'm late to this but thank you for calling out the raven vs cinder fight. It always boggled my mind how much praise that fight got when it's a clear example of basic. All the possibilities with 2 maidens fighting and... We get a sword fight. It's insulting when i see people praise it as "one of the best fights in the whole series" when its greatest feat is showcasing the crwby's lack of creativity. Don't get me wrong the fight is alright. But the amount of praise it gets makes me dislike it since the praise is undeserved. I think a lot of its praise comes from the fact almost all the other "fights" the entire volume were pretty bad and this one finally had a bit of substance to it. But when you look at it objectively... It's a pretty bland and basic fight considering the participants and powers involved.
It was a terrible fight for fighters of their level, since Raven should´ve been using her portals during the fight and I feel sorry for the idiots who believe "Cinder" gave her no time to cast them, the only reason why they werent used was because plot.
And that's exactly what made it stand out, mt4k, the fights for so long (all of vol 4 - 5) had been horrendous, that something like the Maiden fight was "lightyears" better than anything else. I had said it, but since starting with Vol 4 thru Vol 5, what we got weren't fights, they were standing exposition with the occasional combat moment from Bad Guy 1 and then a later reaction by Good Guy B and both finale's were utter Garbage. They both looked like a junior high dance with how they stood there across from another, doing nothing and looking at each other while hoping the other one would do something *first*.
@@sebas8225 how would she use her portals in a fight ? to my understanding she can only use them to go to Qrow, Tai, Yang, and Vernal. so that would mean that she can only use them when she wants to retreat. It would be great if Raven could use them to go anywhere she wanted but she is limited on destinations its more of a utility semblance then one that you can use in a fight.
HEY HAVE YOU SEEN SRWs!!!!! yeah, swords are overused but think for a second that swords were the reason for that fight not being as interesting as it could have been. a maiden sword fight could have had all kinds of sick-nasty bullshit especially with semblances
My philosophy with action scenes is that you either need to have it be emotionally charged or well put together. While it is preferable to have both, it isn’t always possible. If you are adding a fight scene I feel that it should be one of these. If a fight scene isn’t interesting in its use of environment or choreography, you need to have it represent a moment for one or both of the opponents. Blake and Yang v Adam in volume 6 is a good example of this. I was so excited that the girls were finally understanding each other that I didn’t mind the fact that none of the combatants didn’t use weapons they still had on hand. The fight represented Blake and Yang’s triumph over Adam. If a fight isn’t an emotional or plot relevant moment, have it be well put together. Have interesting choreography or use of setting. A good example of this is the food fight in vol 2. This is more of a reintroduction to the characters and has no real stakes, but it is fun to watch because of the interesting choreography, use of the setting, and use of the characters’ abilities. Volume 5 struggled to have well put together fights or fights that mattered to the characters so many of them fell flat.
Why did make Weiss a Harry Potter like come one it’s a rapier that was meant to stab and use magic! All we see from Weiss is literally her relying on dust and act like the rapier is a wand!!! 🤬
I personally think "not quite fights" are fine, and as example the one in the bookshop and the one with Emerald about to fight the bandits we didnt need to see. However, the sheer number of not quites combined with the lack of quality with many of the actual fights makes the missed opportunities more glaring. I entirely believe my two examples shouldnt have been shown. However, most of the others should have been and the ones we got needed to be more clever. We have seen they have it in them, after all.
Honestly surprised Pyrrha vs CRDL didn't get higher score Also I liked Velver's reuse of animation to portray her "copy no jutsu" semblance well I'm just looking out for my girls
I’m surprised you skipped over the prologue episodes like the V1 “trailers” and the V4 and V5 prologues. V2 is my favorite season so I take issue with that opinion, lol. EM vs CY lower than JNPR vs BRNZ? There’s way less talking and reaction shots in EM vs CY and the choreography is more intricate. As for why Coco seems weak, it’s because using her weapon makes her completely stationary and it’s less effective against people who have Aura (as opposed to Grimm). Monty reused animation a lot so I don’t see what’s wrong with Velvet doing so. Blake and Sun vs the sea serpent was completely awful. Characters levitate in midair out of nowhere, too much talking, zero shot continuity. Giving it the same score as Qrow vs Tyrian...ooof. Surprised you didn’t mention how everyone suddenly became slow and weak in the V4 finale and never really recovered from it. You mentioned the characters’ inconsistent abilities during some of the mediocre V1 fights so I’m confused as to why you didn’t notice the same thing happening when they fought Nuck. Wow, only 4 setups with no payoff in all of V1-3, but 17 in the last 4 episodes of V5 alone...JESUS. it’s just so frustrating to see writers who fail to understand the entire selling point of their show is its fight choreography. How can they be this inept?
I skipped the trailers and stuff because they're not necessary for the audience to watch. Which is a bit of a shame, since the trailers and prologues have some of the best fights in RWBY. You know what, Volume 2 is the funniest, so it ain't all bad :) EM vs CY is shorter, but I definitely see where you're coming from, and I had struggled to decide if JNPR vs BRNZ should be 1 point or 3/4 points. Nothing particularly wrong with Velvet reusing animation, it was just a lot of build up to stuff we'd already seen. Still a pretty nice fight though. I found Blake and Sun vs the Sea Dragon still fun despite all its wierdo physics and constant stopping. The music, teamwork, and use of setting helped I think. Also, I didn't care much for Qrow vs Tyrian with Ruby uselessly getting in the way, and the whole "everyone stop so Qrow can slowly walk towards his sword" moment. I legitimately found them to be equal in quality, but that's just my opinion. I went into the Nuckelavee fight more in our review for V4 episode 12. I wanted to keep the reasoning in this video short, so I chose to focus on Nuck's sudden unwillingness to win, but your totally right and that did factor into the fight's score. I really do hope they figure out how to pick the fights back up in quality. (Perhaps hiring a choreographer would help?)
Twiins iink They kinda are necessary, without the V1 prologue you have no idea of the deal with Weiss’ knight, what happened at the club with Yang, the entire character of Adam and his relation to Blake, and so on. Without the V5 prologue you have no clue regarding Ilia’s backstory.
To put it into perspective, my best friend only saw the first 4 trailers, but hasn't watched any of the others after that. She still watches the show but doesn't like watching the trailers/prologues, and she understands everything fine enough. There are casual viewers who don't take in everything the show has to offer (trailers/soundtrack/World of Remnants) and so I chose to exclude them since they weren't technically part of any given volume.
my only complaint is qrow vs winter only being a 1. thats one of the best fights in all of rwby. also i think its unfair to lump velvets scene in with everyone else fighting the paladin. velvet should get at least 1.5 herself and the others should get a quarter tops if not discounted entirely as a "not quite" fight
eh.. you can't just subsititue teleportating speed with sword effects as fight scenes. There was no tracking and the only actual combat we saw was Winter kicking Qrow, running up a wall and lunging at him. It would have been way more impactful if there was more parrying or guard breaks...
@@frogradar that's just factually incorrect my guy. We saw the first on screen schnee summons ever. Or how about qrow dodging the first few strikes and mocking her before he even drew his weapon? The teleporting is a relatively small part of that fight. And even so, noone complains wen dragonball z does the teleporting single animation thing on purpose to purposely reuse animation. At least they used different sword attacks between disappearing instead of cycling 2 punches and a kick. Up to V3 Qrow V Winter is easily one of the best.
Well, they kind of learned their lesson on the not quite fights for V6? More in the sense of "Oh they wanted to see the fights let's give them that" *Proceeds to make fights 2+ episodes long. It's like they just don't understand, do they not watch the previous episodes of when people loved the fights to understand what they are missing? It's very bothersome and I hope they get it in their heads that they actually need to use the full range of abilities and make it an actual fight, not a "we know the good guy is gonna win so just make them swing a few times at each other and have the bad guy go down". I would love to see RWBY/RNJ actually lose a lot more fights, would make the fight against Salem seem way tougher, but no it is filled with so many ex machina's, etc. Creativity has gone out the window, RWBY has become a narrative show instead of an action show but still has it's banner of being an action show up. The worst part of that scenario is that they try to hold up their animation skills for the fights but the actions of every character are so slow or random, sometimes weird and confusing it's a mess.
I would say the hardest part in many of the fights is showing the diffirence in skill level. So for example, Rwby has a problem with cqc, which is understandable because she is fighting with a reach weapon, but then there are SO MANY instances where someone STOPS her, while she is using here semblence, I mean how? It is literally speed and not in cqc. I really liked the fight of Yang vs Neo. That one showed the difference in skill level well brilliantly, but in many other instances it is mindboggling. I notices how you ranked for example Cardin vs Jean low, but it has to be. They are both noobs, Jean cheated himself into Beacon and Cardin only has raw strength. I think it depicted the scene perfectly. Oh one last thing, group fights. The only group fights that deserve to be called that and not everyone fighting an enemy next to the other are against the Nevermore and death stalker and Rwby vs Roman in the robot. Every other fight, even if the whole crew was togather, were single fights with no interaction between allies.
Oscar vs Leo, Weiss be Vernal, and Oscar/Ozpin vs Hazel should’ve counted as just one fight since it is all a part of the school raid. It was technically just one big fight but also the most boring thing in the show. So it seems like Vol 5 should have 8 fights imo.
0:10 Okay personal question, If something keeps you up at night, should you make a video talking about it to just get it off your chest? Does it help? Because it feels like this helped.
Yes! In fact, this whole chanel was created because I literally couldn't stop thinking about issues from volume 4 (the most recent volume at the time) and wanted some way to get those thoughts out. If you've got something keeping you up, I recommend making a video about it. You don't need a fancy microphone or editing software, you don't even need anybody to SEE the video. Simply getting the thoughts out can help a lot :)
It makes sense that the volume with the tournament arc was the one with the highest score. I could have figured that out without the arbitrary scoring.
It has more fights, stakes and tension, it was the peak of RWBY, the delivery moment, it goes to show how Monty´s vision even altered to some degree by RT could still end up delivering a solid end to the build-up of the 2 past volumes in a meaningful way, nowadays we have 1 volume of travelling nonsense with poor build-up and then a arc that delivers poorly, the current RWBY volume production formula doesnt work, they should´ve stick to 3 volumes per kingdom, 1 travelling volume with actual properly executed worldbuilding, 1 volume of build-up and worldbuilding at the academy the students are in and another volume to conclude the arc.
I think the train fight deserved to be split up in V2. We see entirely separate encounters with Yang and Neo; Weiss and white fang lt; Ruby+Oobleck vs mechs and white fang; Blake vs torchwick(kinda).
That's fair. I decided to put them all into 1 big encounter since we jump between them so much without dialogue to separate them. But I understand why one could consider each of the different pairings different fights.
I have to be honest I've rewatched the show at least 2 or 3 times and yet so much of the show is honestly just forgettable to the point where I don't remember half the scenes shown in a lot of RWBY related content/videos or it was written so poorly I don't remember how the timeline or characters work/interact.
animation has the advantage of being able to show without telling, say with no words and this shows how reliant on talking they gotten recently so much that they have to give lore dumping mid fights when its more lore impactfull and visualy appealing if its smartly shown with hints and visual/audio cues instead of words
Here are the averages per season: 1. ca ,861 2. 1,0625 3. ,890625 4. ca ,6428 5. ,55 Through this we can see that in total, the last two seasons were by far the worst. (I did this because of course season two was gonna have a higher score than the others, since it has so many more fights)
I think for a lot of the not-quite-fights, (mainly the ones not featuring the main characters, like Emerald and Mercury vs Tukson and Li vs the Nuckelavee) if they were fully shown, people would complain that they were unnecessary and took screen time away from the main cast. I do think the fight for Haven could have been better if they didn't jump between characters so often
for volume 5 fights at the end i think they set up too many fights with too little time to execute them that and the fact that people keep on disappearing and reappearing when convenient
I love this breakdown. I also didn’t enjoy the fight between Weiss and Vernal. She relies too much on her summoning when she knows she shouldn’t. I liked Raven vs Cinder but I think they just limited their power cause of animation while also highlighting how similar the two characters are with what they did to get their new powers. Just what I believe.
I know I'm very late to this but a thought I had. How do you think the quality for Rwby's fights be if they brought on Genndy Tartakovsky to help? I think he'd be great because his action and fight scenes have a bombastic style similar to Monty's.
The food fight is still the best fight imho. Just the choreography and cleverness of the "weapons" was amazing. Others may disagree and that's fine... ...you have every right to be wrong.
REVOLUTION!! RIOT THE RWBY CAST GIVE US BACK OUR FIGHT SCENES! NO MORE ROMANCES THROW THEM ALL IN A RING AND MAKE THEM KILL EACH OTHER..... iii uh mean the latest season of 5 and 6 feel so so so incredibly bland especially the closing chapter of who blake decides to jump on a bed with. i never cared all i cared about was what i thought the main story was salem and getting the relics should be more focus on the fight scenes its a fight anime stop giving me expedition and show me in the fights whats going on. what is this BLEACH? NARUTO (filler)?
Like for real? You place the two best choreographed fights of Vol3 (Ruby vs Torchwick and Yang vs Mercury) only 1 but the long convoluted fight between Pyrrha and Cinder that should have ended in an instant 1.5 ? Also, why didn't you add the trailers (I mean, characters shorts of Vol1, 4 and 5) in your count?
@@twiinsiink Oh, I didn't expected you to answer. Don't take it too harshly, you pretty much explained why you considered this fight as superior than the two others. Talking about the trailers and characters shorts, do you intend to do another video judging the fights inside?
@@maxentirunos Maybe some day? As it is it'd be a pretty short video so if I do I'll wait for some milestone volume (like, 10 or 15 or something) and do it then. Either that or wait for a time where they delay the next volume of RWBY for another year.
Power levels, on paper, is a fine concept. "That guy is stronger than this guy. This guy needs to become more powerful". It sets a goal for the hero to achieve. The problem so often with RWBY fans specifically is like, they want a point by point break down of the kids working out. "We didn't see them train". As if the only valid way for our heroes to get stronger is for them to have exorcise montages and scenes dedicated to "ok let's study battle strategy".
My issue is the blindingly obvious power level change between certain characters (e.g. Weiss's train fight compared to Weiss vs Vernal) I find it so stupid how much they dumb down characters. RWBY fights in V1-3 were great, but V4 onwards they started getting super slow, the only fights I thought were above average was Cinder vs Neo and Blake and Yang vs Adam. They still don't come anywhere close to Monty's fights though.
In defense of Vol. 4 it was really more about character development than action. I don't take too much exception to talking during fights since you kind of need to establish the character's emotional investment in the conflict. And while that could be handled better in other ways at least it's not as bad as pausing the action for pointless reaction shots like they had a bad habit of doing in the first half of Vol 3. Now I could argue the relative merits of a lot of these rankings but for the sake of brevity I'm just going to point out some issues I have with 3 that I feel were over scored. RWBY+Oobleck vs train: It has Blake, Yang, and Weiss pointlessly go into the trains interior and then abandoning each other to have 1 on 1 fights instead of working together to take down Neo, Banesaw, and Torchwick. This one is especially egregious since the fight is completely unnecessary since their objective is to stop the train and they could easily do that just by having Weiss conjure ice of the tracks to derail it or freeze the connections between the cars so the can't separate before they explode and have the explosion derail the train. JNPR vs BRNZ: It has Pyrrha sticking her head above cover while dealing with as sniper. It has BRNZ stop attacking so JNPR can have their shipping name argument (which is different from talking during a fight since JNPR seems to forget they're even in a battle - and no they don't get away with it by mentioning it). And it has Nora anticlimactically one shot the entire enemy team. Raven vs Cinder: It has Raven point out that Cinder's Grimm arm isn't protected by aura and then never use that information to her advantage, not even when it's being used to suck out her Maiden powers.
While the train is egregiously convenient with their pairing off, I still found the fights themselves to be really fun. They were well animated and choreographed excitingly, and the whole thing lasted about 8 minutes. Conveniently cool fights are preferred over boring ones, I guess. You're really not wrong when it comes to JNPR vs BRNZ and Raven vs Cinder. I had waffled a lot between giving those fights 1 point or 3/4. I ultimately gave them 1 since I found them to be "good enough".
I'm inclined to think that a multi-million dollar entertainment company like Rooster Teeth should be able to provide fight scenes that are both good and work within the narrative of the story they're trying to tell. If you want to look at the fight scenes in a vacuum that's fine, but I personally prefer looking at them in context especially if they raise a lot of continuity issues. For example, Blake being able to defeat Torchwick alone raises the question of how no professional huntsmen were able to deal with him during the entire course of the series up to that point. And you have Weiss being unconscious yet surviving a chainsaw to the midsection as probably the best evidence that Vol 5's 'aura must be activated' reveal was a massive retcon.
shineyorkboy ok..1) Blake was able to beat him because she surprised him with elemental clones. The first time they fought she couldn't beat him. Also he never fight professional huntmen. 2) Weiss wasn't knock out when the chainsaw hit her.
Okay now you're getting into the whole 'designed my own weapon' plot hole, plus the why, when, and how did Weiss have that ammo clip built, where was she keeping it before giving it to Blake, why did she wait until she did to give it to Blake, and how did Blake learn to use it so quickly issues. Regardless the fact that Torchwick's plans were thwarted by first year students 4 times yet the police and graduated huntsmen were unable to deal with him over a multi-month time period both undermines Torchwicks threat as a villain and makes the Vale authorities look completely incompetent. Also, Weiss gets knocked out when she gets slammed into the floor then she gets baseballed though the door with a chainsaw.
shineyorkboy There are massive time holes in each volume, it can easily be explain away as 'They worked on it during the school year ' and 'Blake trained to use it off screen during said school year' Also you assume that she was knocked out when slammed to the floor I assume she was knocked out when she got baseball through the door.
Fun fact: The students vs Nevermore fight was not in the script, Dillon Gu animated that on his own sonce he thought the script version was too boring.
God bless Dillon, then.
(EDIT: Originally confused the V3 fight with the V1C8 fight)
It´s really disgusting that RT cant even take a hint on what makes RWBY good.
@@sebas8225 If V6 was any indication, it's more like they've taken a hint in a begrudging "Ugh, fine, we'll listen for just a bit" kind of way.
@@frizen9328 Ah, never mind my original comment. I honestly immediately forgot about the Nevermore fight in V3, I should've double-checked since Monty wasn't the one who worked on it
Christian Guerrero I agree somewhat
Interestong point about the not-quite-fights.
One of the most dissapointing for me was the not-quite-fight between Qrow and Raven. You'd think that a fight between *twins* would be significant but their clash gets like 10 seconds of screen time. :( sad
Because the writters wrotte themselves into a corner when they had leo state Qrow and Raven are equals (as long as Raven doesnt use her maiden powers) and due to the fact the Vernal shenaningan was on at the time, Raven couldnt simply put have a serious fight with her brother, without ending up revealing she was a maiden.
@@sebas8225 They really messed up the power levels, especially listening to one of those director's commentary and having him state that Oscar is not a Hazel tier fighter yet but he's on the same tier as Emerald & Mercury. LOL WUT??? He wasn't even talking about possessed Oscar, just regular farmer boy Oscar with a month of aura training and hand-to-hand sparring against Ruby.
I’m a twin and trust me fights last way longer than ten seconds
7.75/9 = 86%
8.5/8 = 106%
14.25/16 = 89%
4.5/7 = 64%
5.5/10 = 55%
Looks like a dip in quality to me. A dip in quality that starts in Volume 3, which coincidentally is when Monty Oum happened to die.
I had never thought to get the percentage for these! Cool idea!
I am slightly conflicted on that point. On the one hand 1 and 3 had close scores, on the other Monty wasnt there for all of 3. Leaves me uncertain how to judge it, but considering up to and including season 3, if I remember correctly, they were working until the last second on the episodes its not all that far fetched to consider maybe the fights were simply rushed with Monty there. Which actually makes it worse as with more time for 4 and 5 to work on each episode they are doing worse than when they were working until right at the deadline.
@@silvershadow5652 Things i've seen, not sure if true:
1.They apparently had already started production of V3 before he went to the hospital.
2. Monty probably had a lot of already made animations
3. 2 animators who worked with Monty a lot left after vol. 3
I do believe a dip took place after Monty passing. He did a lot for that show that much is clear. But the letter that went viral after his passing is pretty evident that RT had different motives behind the show. One point was made that Monty wanted team RWBY to be like a sisterhood of friends. Now its a heap of ship baiting and shipping wars. And in my honest opinion I have nothing wrong with LGBT pairings but Bumblebee lacks chemistry. Its pointed out a lot and I agree with it that Blake and Yang barely ever talk within the 1st volumes. Sure they share a dance in 2 and the talk as well. Yang honestly shouldn't be mad about her running it should be Weiss. Remember the end of volume one. She made a promise to weiss that if something big comes up she comes to her team and not someone else.
@@katarinalavoie6476 Yah know it’s been 7 months but I completely agree with you. Also yang was shown to be straight in volume 1 and I understand she could become Bi but where was the development for that it’s like boom now Blake and yang love each other like what? Honestly Blake and sun had more chemistry together but they had to get rid of him for Blake and yang to get together. Sun got blue balled by the creators big sad. I also agree that Weiss should have been the one angry at Blake but I also understand yang should be angry as well since she lost an arm for Blake. Idk know though it just seems like they where better off friends than lovers. Honestly Weiss and ruby getting together is more likely than Yang and Blake, all in all though they should of just kept them friends. The show has just become so frustrating to watch and I believe has diluted from what Monty had originally wanted for the show to be. This show had the potential to be something great but has fallen short of greatness because no one at RT seems to know how to make a decent show. They also throw a lot of the characters abilities *cough* Weiss specifically *cough* out the window. The show is so different from what it was originally and it’s sad.
Remember when Miles and Kerry called Yang and Raven’s final confrontation...a “Word Fight”.
lol, I do.
I know i'm late to this but thank you for calling out the raven vs cinder fight. It always boggled my mind how much praise that fight got when it's a clear example of basic. All the possibilities with 2 maidens fighting and... We get a sword fight. It's insulting when i see people praise it as "one of the best fights in the whole series" when its greatest feat is showcasing the crwby's lack of creativity.
Don't get me wrong the fight is alright. But the amount of praise it gets makes me dislike it since the praise is undeserved. I think a lot of its praise comes from the fact almost all the other "fights" the entire volume were pretty bad and this one finally had a bit of substance to it. But when you look at it objectively... It's a pretty bland and basic fight considering the participants and powers involved.
I guess pretty sparkles and effects is all a fight needs to be considered "one of the best" anymore.
It was a terrible fight for fighters of their level, since Raven should´ve been using her portals during the fight and I feel sorry for the idiots who believe "Cinder" gave her no time to cast them, the only reason why they werent used was because plot.
And that's exactly what made it stand out, mt4k, the fights for so long (all of vol 4 - 5) had been horrendous, that something like the Maiden fight was "lightyears" better than anything else.
I had said it, but since starting with Vol 4 thru Vol 5, what we got weren't fights, they were standing exposition with the occasional combat moment from Bad Guy 1 and then a later reaction by Good Guy B and both finale's were utter Garbage. They both looked like a junior high dance with how they stood there across from another, doing nothing and looking at each other while hoping the other one would do something *first*.
@@sebas8225 how would she use her portals in a fight ? to my understanding she can only use them to go to Qrow, Tai, Yang, and Vernal. so that would mean that she can only use them when she wants to retreat. It would be great if Raven could use them to go anywhere she wanted but she is limited on destinations its more of a utility semblance then one that you can use in a fight.
HEY HAVE YOU SEEN SRWs!!!!! yeah, swords are overused but think for a second that swords were the reason for that fight not being as interesting as it could have been. a maiden sword fight could have had all kinds of sick-nasty bullshit especially with semblances
My philosophy with action scenes is that you either need to have it be emotionally charged or well put together. While it is preferable to have both, it isn’t always possible. If you are adding a fight scene I feel that it should be one of these.
If a fight scene isn’t interesting in its use of environment or choreography, you need to have it represent a moment for one or both of the opponents. Blake and Yang v Adam in volume 6 is a good example of this. I was so excited that the girls were finally understanding each other that I didn’t mind the fact that none of the combatants didn’t use weapons they still had on hand. The fight represented Blake and Yang’s triumph over Adam.
If a fight isn’t an emotional or plot relevant moment, have it be well put together. Have interesting choreography or use of setting. A good example of this is the food fight in vol 2. This is more of a reintroduction to the characters and has no real stakes, but it is fun to watch because of the interesting choreography, use of the setting, and use of the characters’ abilities.
Volume 5 struggled to have well put together fights or fights that mattered to the characters so many of them fell flat.
5:08 It was fast, but these were experts fighting, not students.
Also they weren't trying to kill each other, just show one another up. Hence why they kept on taunting one another by acting cheeky
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Aw, thank you!
Just realizing Weiss (one of the protagonists in this action show) had no fights in volume 4
Dissapointing
Neither did Yang.
On account of being...well, disarmed.
I don't count her sparring with Taiyang.
@@benjaminmcneil574 now they all care about shipping shipping and MORE shipping!
Why did make Weiss a Harry Potter like come one it’s a rapier that was meant to stab and use magic! All we see from Weiss is literally her relying on dust and act like the rapier is a wand!!! 🤬
I know I am VERY late on this but I wonder how would you score volume 6 (and it would be nice to know how many fights were there lol)
I'll be making a video on it soon! :)
Agreed!
I personally think "not quite fights" are fine, and as example the one in the bookshop and the one with Emerald about to fight the bandits we didnt need to see. However, the sheer number of not quites combined with the lack of quality with many of the actual fights makes the missed opportunities more glaring. I entirely believe my two examples shouldnt have been shown. However, most of the others should have been and the ones we got needed to be more clever. We have seen they have it in them, after all.
Honestly surprised Pyrrha vs CRDL didn't get higher score
Also I liked Velver's reuse of animation to portray her "copy no jutsu" semblance well
I'm just looking out for my girls
I’m surprised you skipped over the prologue episodes like the V1 “trailers” and the V4 and V5 prologues.
V2 is my favorite season so I take issue with that opinion, lol.
EM vs CY lower than JNPR vs BRNZ? There’s way less talking and reaction shots in EM vs CY and the choreography is more intricate. As for why Coco seems weak, it’s because using her weapon makes her completely stationary and it’s less effective against people who have Aura (as opposed to Grimm).
Monty reused animation a lot so I don’t see what’s wrong with Velvet doing so.
Blake and Sun vs the sea serpent was completely awful. Characters levitate in midair out of nowhere, too much talking, zero shot continuity. Giving it the same score as Qrow vs Tyrian...ooof.
Surprised you didn’t mention how everyone suddenly became slow and weak in the V4 finale and never really recovered from it. You mentioned the characters’ inconsistent abilities during some of the mediocre V1 fights so I’m confused as to why you didn’t notice the same thing happening when they fought Nuck.
Wow, only 4 setups with no payoff in all of V1-3, but 17 in the last 4 episodes of V5 alone...JESUS.
it’s just so frustrating to see writers who fail to understand the entire selling point of their show is its fight choreography. How can they be this inept?
I skipped the trailers and stuff because they're not necessary for the audience to watch. Which is a bit of a shame, since the trailers and prologues have some of the best fights in RWBY.
You know what, Volume 2 is the funniest, so it ain't all bad :)
EM vs CY is shorter, but I definitely see where you're coming from, and I had struggled to decide if JNPR vs BRNZ should be 1 point or 3/4 points.
Nothing particularly wrong with Velvet reusing animation, it was just a lot of build up to stuff we'd already seen. Still a pretty nice fight though.
I found Blake and Sun vs the Sea Dragon still fun despite all its wierdo physics and constant stopping. The music, teamwork, and use of setting helped I think. Also, I didn't care much for Qrow vs Tyrian with Ruby uselessly getting in the way, and the whole "everyone stop so Qrow can slowly walk towards his sword" moment. I legitimately found them to be equal in quality, but that's just my opinion.
I went into the Nuckelavee fight more in our review for V4 episode 12. I wanted to keep the reasoning in this video short, so I chose to focus on Nuck's sudden unwillingness to win, but your totally right and that did factor into the fight's score.
I really do hope they figure out how to pick the fights back up in quality. (Perhaps hiring a choreographer would help?)
Twiins iink well I heard miles and Kerry have moved away from 'directing' the fights and made a new lead animator to control how the fights go.
Lightdragoon88 I heard about that too, I hope things actually start improving
Twiins iink They kinda are necessary, without the V1 prologue you have no idea of the deal with Weiss’ knight, what happened at the club with Yang, the entire character of Adam and his relation to Blake, and so on. Without the V5 prologue you have no clue regarding Ilia’s backstory.
To put it into perspective, my best friend only saw the first 4 trailers, but hasn't watched any of the others after that. She still watches the show but doesn't like watching the trailers/prologues, and she understands everything fine enough. There are casual viewers who don't take in everything the show has to offer (trailers/soundtrack/World of Remnants) and so I chose to exclude them since they weren't technically part of any given volume.
#letanimatorsanimate
Too bad RT doesn't care about cool fight rather just shipping shipping shipping!
And the voice actors even support it! Arryn and Barbara are shipping BMBLB and that's something they talked about during the panels.
@@rubyrose4418 these people are soo sad rw-by is a waste of time
2:26 the best fight. Still come back to this one.
This was such a great video; found all your playlist for your videos...welp, looks like I'll be binge watching them 😄
my only complaint is qrow vs winter only being a 1. thats one of the best fights in all of rwby. also i think its unfair to lump velvets scene in with everyone else fighting the paladin. velvet should get at least 1.5 herself and the others should get a quarter tops if not discounted entirely as a "not quite" fight
eh.. you can't just subsititue teleportating speed with sword effects as fight scenes. There was no tracking and the only actual combat we saw was Winter kicking Qrow, running up a wall and lunging at him. It would have been way more impactful if there was more parrying or guard breaks...
@@frogradar that's just factually incorrect my guy. We saw the first on screen schnee summons ever. Or how about qrow dodging the first few strikes and mocking her before he even drew his weapon? The teleporting is a relatively small part of that fight. And even so, noone complains wen dragonball z does the teleporting single animation thing on purpose to purposely reuse animation. At least they used different sword attacks between disappearing instead of cycling 2 punches and a kick. Up to V3 Qrow V Winter is easily one of the best.
“She doesn’t show off her semblance”
Pyrrha: FOOD FIGHT BITCHEEEEESSSSSSS
Well, they kind of learned their lesson on the not quite fights for V6? More in the sense of "Oh they wanted to see the fights let's give them that" *Proceeds to make fights 2+ episodes long. It's like they just don't understand, do they not watch the previous episodes of when people loved the fights to understand what they are missing? It's very bothersome and I hope they get it in their heads that they actually need to use the full range of abilities and make it an actual fight, not a "we know the good guy is gonna win so just make them swing a few times at each other and have the bad guy go down".
I would love to see RWBY/RNJ actually lose a lot more fights, would make the fight against Salem seem way tougher, but no it is filled with so many ex machina's, etc. Creativity has gone out the window, RWBY has become a narrative show instead of an action show but still has it's banner of being an action show up. The worst part of that scenario is that they try to hold up their animation skills for the fights but the actions of every character are so slow or random, sometimes weird and confusing it's a mess.
I would say the hardest part in many of the fights is showing the diffirence in skill level.
So for example, Rwby has a problem with cqc, which is understandable because she is fighting with a reach weapon, but then there are SO MANY instances where someone STOPS her, while she is using here semblence, I mean how? It is literally speed and not in cqc.
I really liked the fight of Yang vs Neo. That one showed the difference in skill level well brilliantly, but in many other instances it is mindboggling.
I notices how you ranked for example Cardin vs Jean low, but it has to be.
They are both noobs, Jean cheated himself into Beacon and Cardin only has raw strength.
I think it depicted the scene perfectly.
Oh one last thing, group fights. The only group fights that deserve to be called that and not everyone fighting an enemy next to the other are against the Nevermore and death stalker and Rwby vs Roman in the robot. Every other fight, even if the whole crew was togather, were single fights with no interaction between allies.
I approve of your musical cues!!!
Oscar vs Leo, Weiss be Vernal, and Oscar/Ozpin vs Hazel should’ve counted as just one fight since it is all a part of the school raid. It was technically just one big fight but also the most boring thing in the show.
So it seems like Vol 5 should have 8 fights imo.
I come from the future to tell you the "not quite fights" trend is still going strong.
Probably the worst one is when it looks like Robin is about to throw down with Clover, Qrow, Ruby and Penny but then she just... doesn't.
Look I know we're from the future but we shouldn't spoil it for the past 😂
Holy shit the amount of work you put into this..... SUB!!!
Thank you!
About Jaune vs Cardin - "zero thought put into the choreography" is sorta the point right? Jaune isn't a skilled fight even remotely.
0:10 Okay personal question, If something keeps you up at night, should you make a video talking about it to just get it off your chest? Does it help? Because it feels like this helped.
Yes! In fact, this whole chanel was created because I literally couldn't stop thinking about issues from volume 4 (the most recent volume at the time) and wanted some way to get those thoughts out.
If you've got something keeping you up, I recommend making a video about it. You don't need a fancy microphone or editing software, you don't even need anybody to SEE the video. Simply getting the thoughts out can help a lot :)
Twiins iink Well...alrighty then. Thank you!
The distant trousle of bones grows further away
It makes sense that the volume with the tournament arc was the one with the highest score. I could have figured that out without the arbitrary scoring.
It has more fights, stakes and tension, it was the peak of RWBY, the delivery moment, it goes to show how Monty´s vision even altered to some degree by RT could still end up delivering a solid end to the build-up of the 2 past volumes in a meaningful way, nowadays we have 1 volume of travelling nonsense with poor build-up and then a arc that delivers poorly, the current RWBY volume production formula doesnt work, they should´ve stick to 3 volumes per kingdom, 1 travelling volume with actual properly executed worldbuilding, 1 volume of build-up and worldbuilding at the academy the students are in and another volume to conclude the arc.
I think the train fight deserved to be split up in V2. We see entirely separate encounters with Yang and Neo; Weiss and white fang lt; Ruby+Oobleck vs mechs and white fang; Blake vs torchwick(kinda).
That's fair. I decided to put them all into 1 big encounter since we jump between them so much without dialogue to separate them. But I understand why one could consider each of the different pairings different fights.
I have to be honest
I've rewatched the show at least 2 or 3 times and yet so much of the show is honestly just forgettable to the point where I don't remember half the scenes shown in a lot of RWBY related content/videos or it was written so poorly I don't remember how the timeline or characters work/interact.
Please rank all the fights in volume 6 when you review it👍
Sounds like a good idea! :)
animation has the advantage of being able to show without telling, say with no words and this shows how reliant on talking they gotten recently so much that they have to give lore dumping mid fights when its more lore impactfull and visualy appealing if its smartly shown with hints and visual/audio cues instead of words
Here are the averages per season:
1. ca ,861
2. 1,0625
3. ,890625
4. ca ,6428
5. ,55
Through this we can see that in total, the last two seasons were by far the worst. (I did this because of course season two was gonna have a higher score than the others, since it has so many more fights)
I think for a lot of the not-quite-fights, (mainly the ones not featuring the main characters, like Emerald and Mercury vs Tukson and Li vs the Nuckelavee) if they were fully shown, people would complain that they were unnecessary and took screen time away from the main cast.
I do think the fight for Haven could have been better if they didn't jump between characters so often
for volume 5 fights at the end i think they set up too many fights with too little time to execute them that and the fact that people keep on disappearing and reappearing when convenient
11:36 more like Hazel F***ing up Qrow’s back
3:42 I think they would agree. they were dealing with Grimm so much that it stopped actually being fun.
I like this shit Ren does over here 7:36
I agree!
LOL
While volume 6 had the least fights it's fights that did not involve the giant mech where a big step up from 5.
Through the Qrow vs Tyrian fight I was like. “Fuck off Ruby! Can’t you see some cool shit is happening?!”
I love this breakdown. I also didn’t enjoy the fight between Weiss and Vernal. She relies too much on her summoning when she knows she shouldn’t. I liked Raven vs Cinder but I think they just limited their power cause of animation while also highlighting how similar the two characters are with what they did to get their new powers. Just what I believe.
I like the Banjo & Kazooie music
do trailers/character shorts next? and group them all together as if they are a volume for the total score?
I know I'm very late to this but a thought I had. How do you think the quality for Rwby's fights be if they brought on Genndy Tartakovsky to help? I think he'd be great because his action and fight scenes have a bombastic style similar to Monty's.
I'm not familiar with his work. A quick google search tells me he does star wars stuff, I don't really watch any of those shows.
@@twiinsiink He also does Samurai Jack, Powerpuff Girls, Dexter's Lab and anything with a similar art style. I highly recommend.
yeehaw now for the v7 fights
I wanted to see the Attack on Tucson and Qrow vs. Raven, those fights seemed like they'd be cool but then they just stop
The food fight is still the best fight imho. Just the choreography and cleverness of the "weapons" was amazing. Others may disagree and that's fine...
...you have every right to be wrong.
REVOLUTION!! RIOT THE RWBY CAST GIVE US BACK OUR FIGHT SCENES! NO MORE ROMANCES THROW THEM ALL IN A RING AND MAKE THEM KILL EACH OTHER..... iii uh mean the latest season of 5 and 6 feel so so so incredibly bland especially the closing chapter of who blake decides to jump on a bed with. i never cared all i cared about was what i thought the main story was salem and getting the relics should be more focus on the fight scenes its a fight anime stop giving me expedition and show me in the fights whats going on. what is this BLEACH? NARUTO (filler)?
The music in this reminds me of Monster Hunter
Like for real? You place the two best choreographed fights of Vol3 (Ruby vs Torchwick and Yang vs Mercury) only 1 but the long convoluted fight between Pyrrha and Cinder that should have ended in an instant 1.5 ?
Also, why didn't you add the trailers (I mean, characters shorts of Vol1, 4 and 5) in your count?
It's subjective.
They weren't part of the actual show. I didn't want to focus on supplemental material.
@@twiinsiink Oh, I didn't expected you to answer.
Don't take it too harshly, you pretty much explained why you considered this fight as superior than the two others.
Talking about the trailers and characters shorts, do you intend to do another video judging the fights inside?
@@maxentirunos Maybe some day? As it is it'd be a pretty short video so if I do I'll wait for some milestone volume (like, 10 or 15 or something) and do it then. Either that or wait for a time where they delay the next volume of RWBY for another year.
Another not quite fight is qrow vs Grimm in volume 4 and oobleck and port vs Grimm
Qrow vs rwby got snubbed, its a top level fight
You should do another one of these
I mean, I've already done one for volume 6 and one for volume 7.....
Bruh does yang have the rinnegan
Qrow & Ruby vs Tyrian: 1
Raven vs Cinder: 1
Understandable, have a nice day
1 means = Good
People who complain about power levels or want action clearly hasn't seen any cartoons or animes.
Power levels, on paper, is a fine concept. "That guy is stronger than this guy. This guy needs to become more powerful". It sets a goal for the hero to achieve.
The problem so often with RWBY fans specifically is like, they want a point by point break down of the kids working out. "We didn't see them train". As if the only valid way for our heroes to get stronger is for them to have exorcise montages and scenes dedicated to "ok let's study battle strategy".
My issue is the blindingly obvious power level change between certain characters (e.g. Weiss's train fight compared to Weiss vs Vernal) I find it so stupid how much they dumb down characters. RWBY fights in V1-3 were great, but V4 onwards they started getting super slow, the only fights I thought were above average was Cinder vs Neo and Blake and Yang vs Adam. They still don't come anywhere close to Monty's fights though.
Neo vs yang 3000 points
Feelings on volume 6 fights
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In defense of Vol. 4 it was really more about character development than action.
I don't take too much exception to talking during fights since you kind of need to establish the character's emotional investment in the conflict. And while that could be handled better in other ways at least it's not as bad as pausing the action for pointless reaction shots like they had a bad habit of doing in the first half of Vol 3.
Now I could argue the relative merits of a lot of these rankings but for the sake of brevity I'm just going to point out some issues I have with 3 that I feel were over scored.
RWBY+Oobleck vs train: It has Blake, Yang, and Weiss pointlessly go into the trains interior and then abandoning each other to have 1 on 1 fights instead of working together to take down Neo, Banesaw, and Torchwick. This one is especially egregious since the fight is completely unnecessary since their objective is to stop the train and they could easily do that just by having Weiss conjure ice of the tracks to derail it or freeze the connections between the cars so the can't separate before they explode and have the explosion derail the train.
JNPR vs BRNZ: It has Pyrrha sticking her head above cover while dealing with as sniper. It has BRNZ stop attacking so JNPR can have their shipping name argument (which is different from talking during a fight since JNPR seems to forget they're even in a battle - and no they don't get away with it by mentioning it). And it has Nora anticlimactically one shot the entire enemy team.
Raven vs Cinder: It has Raven point out that Cinder's Grimm arm isn't protected by aura and then never use that information to her advantage, not even when it's being used to suck out her Maiden powers.
While the train is egregiously convenient with their pairing off, I still found the fights themselves to be really fun. They were well animated and choreographed excitingly, and the whole thing lasted about 8 minutes. Conveniently cool fights are preferred over boring ones, I guess.
You're really not wrong when it comes to JNPR vs BRNZ and Raven vs Cinder. I had waffled a lot between giving those fights 1 point or 3/4. I ultimately gave them 1 since I found them to be "good enough".
I'm inclined to think that a multi-million dollar entertainment company like Rooster Teeth should be able to provide fight scenes that are both good and work within the narrative of the story they're trying to tell. If you want to look at the fight scenes in a vacuum that's fine, but I personally prefer looking at them in context especially if they raise a lot of continuity issues.
For example, Blake being able to defeat Torchwick alone raises the question of how no professional huntsmen were able to deal with him during the entire course of the series up to that point. And you have Weiss being unconscious yet surviving a chainsaw to the midsection as probably the best evidence that Vol 5's 'aura must be activated' reveal was a massive retcon.
shineyorkboy ok..1) Blake was able to beat him because she surprised him with elemental clones. The first time they fought she couldn't beat him. Also he never fight professional huntmen.
2) Weiss wasn't knock out when the chainsaw hit her.
Okay now you're getting into the whole 'designed my own weapon' plot hole, plus the why, when, and how did Weiss have that ammo clip built, where was she keeping it before giving it to Blake, why did she wait until she did to give it to Blake, and how did Blake learn to use it so quickly issues.
Regardless the fact that Torchwick's plans were thwarted by first year students 4 times yet the police and graduated huntsmen were unable to deal with him over a multi-month time period both undermines Torchwicks threat as a villain and makes the Vale authorities look completely incompetent.
Also, Weiss gets knocked out when she gets slammed into the floor then she gets baseballed though the door with a chainsaw.
shineyorkboy There are massive time holes in each volume, it can easily be explain away as 'They worked on it during the school year ' and 'Blake trained to use it off screen during said school year'
Also you assume that she was knocked out when slammed to the floor I assume she was knocked out when she got baseball through the door.
i actualy realy hate velvet's weapon/scembelense.
I like Velvet as a character but I agree. She deserved something unique to her.
Fight with mute character: Too mischief talking.
Why did you use a weird scoring system? Not really a problem, I guess. Just a bit strange.