Weirdly enough, the characters' relationships are much better in the meme-laden, RWBY Not! that is Chibi. Ren isn't just "Nora's boy", he's a dance enthusiast and good friend of Sun and Neptune; and Nora isn't just "Ren's meme girl", she is "wise meme girl and workout instructor".
@@twiinsiink Yeah, they vary from "genuinely high quality comedy" and "RWBY CHIBI IS RECORDED WITH A LIVE AUDIENCE ON STUDIO". The one is an actual episode, and it's the worst. Teenage Female Ninja Faunus is amazing though.
@@kinorris1709 Yeah, that. RUclips has decided to show me all videos with their spanish community translation, no matter how crappy it is, so I mistake them.
Well, at least at the start it felt like a bunch of teenage crushes and etc. It may be sudden but it felt like the relationships could go either way. Now it’s like they are suddenly soulmates.
In defense of Jaune and Pyrrha, I don't think Jaune is angry because he was in love with Pyrrha. I believe he's angry because he just lost his best friend/teacher. Pyrrha is the first person to believe in Jaune and take the time to help him get better. He has a closer relationship with her than any other character and this relationship is entirely platonic on Jaune's part for at least 2 1/2 volumes, maybe even more. We never even get solid proof that Jaune ever fell in love with Pyrrha and I personally never got that vibe from Jaune. He never laments over loving her even after their kiss. I think Jaune had a very natural reaction to losing Pyrrha. She's basically his best friend and if my best friend was about to die there is a very real possibility that I would lose it as Jaune did when calling Ruby. Likewise it would also be difficult for them to move on because not only Pyrrha was more the just a best friend, she was also Jaune's mentor. So overall I don't think Jaune is so upset because he loved her. To the contrary, I think his reaction was very normal reaction to losing a dear friends and teacher. His pain is not from tragic romance but rather from tragic friendship. With all the recent shipping nonsense RWBY has been experience lately, I much prefer the tragic friendship option. It makes be happy to know that we can all care about out fellow man to extremely high degrees without being romantic. The power of our friendship is mighty force indeed!
I agree with this. One of the things I like although I'm not sure if I should give them credit because they have a roundabout way of approaching romance, is that we the audience don't get romanctic closure on Jaune feelings because it doesn't matter. She's gone, so answering the what if questions is meaningless. It also makes the relationship more important because he isn't sad about what they couldve been but sad that she is gone. If we got a concrete answer about Jaune feelings it would feel way worse.
Hey why not both? You can get two tragedies for the price of one. Clearly Jaune was broken up over her death but I'd like to think he'd started developing feelings for his best friend. And then she was gone. Now he never gets the answers to the "what if" that probably plagues him.
You deserve more likes I thought jhon was mad that wise was like "are you ok" and jhon said "YES HELP HER" "ok but are you ok" He did not want them to worry about him he wanted them to help her and was mad she did that to him and feels responsible for her death even tho is was not his fault
Hmm, at the beacon dance, it seemed like there were feelings Though I do agree with you, an inspirational person he saw on cereal boxes he is confirmed to have collected, island is the great hero he aspired to be treats him as an equal and trains him to be a leader, becoming one of his main friends at Beacon The person who built him up and made him what he dreamt of being, and they were ripped out of his grip
@@CrimsonColbat adding here, I also think maybe his anger was never realizing how she felt about him. He was always pining after Weiss so he completely missed a wonderful girl who helped him through so much standing in front of him with feelings towards him and he's angry and upset that he was so dense he didn't see it, or at least that's how I saw the scene
I know how you feel. Watched the entirety of volume 6 without realising until I saw people in the fandom pointing it out. I just assumed everything relationship-ish were just jokes about how Nora was way too clingy. They're relationship changes so little and they are so unimportant to the plot that it just never crossed my mind. Now imagine this: instead of going to oscar, Ozpin goes to Ren. Boom. Ren is actually important, Nora becomes important because she has to deal with it and we have one less character to deal with.
Tbh they have a weird relationship. I kinda assumed right from season 1 that they were already basically a couple, just never made it official or anything, however now they are actually dating yet nothing much has changed.
ninja ._. vanish that's what Monty said during V2 but now that he's dead and everyone is saying Monty wouldn't have wanted this or that but the bumblebee baiting I don't really think he would've done that
ninja ._. vanish I agree, I care about more of the story than romantic or friendships whatever. but don't give me wrong I am a hard-core Bumbleby shipper
My problem with Bumblebee is that it is incredibly hollow due to the lack of interaction. As a Gay person, it is annoying to be called Homophobic because of my frustration with this poorly executed couple. I don't think the idea is awful -- if done right. But the reality is, it wasn't. It was flat. At this point, I would have preferred if Blake was with Sun just because there was Chemistry. Blake and Yang have absolutely no chemistry as well. There was so few scenes together with them, some are technically one continuous scene that is split to swap perspective... And there is still nothing. I hardly buy them as friends, but now the show wants me to buy them as lovers? I just don't buy it. It also insults the people who do pay attention and do want the execution to be good. I'm sorry, but that pairing just isn't good as it is.
I find it interesting how different opinions are on whether bumblebee is flat among the queer community. Because some say it's a wonderfully set up example of representation done right and then some say it's flat. I'm on the prior camp.
@@wendysfreshneverfrozen1853 My biggest gripe can stem from the fact they have no chemistry and hardly seem to be friends. But, the show seems to want it to be the couple. If they seemed to have a friendship, one that does not just... feel stitched together, or tacked on. I might believe it if it had good characterization. But the Problem is, Blake's character is consistently inconsistent. Yet, her sense of character... Still feels almost non-existent still. But you still people faun over her. If they had chemistry with a stabilizing friendship, it would work as a byproduct of it. But their friendship should not be a byproduct of a lack of chemistry. But I must confess, you use of the word "Prior" confuses me in the way you phrased it. Did you mean as "The Former." As in the first being. "I think it's wonderful." ? Or the Latter "The last option." ? That is where my confusion stems from in your post. Granted, I am dealing with a flu right now. So it might be impairing my normal... sense of thought.
@@CosmicChris see but for a lot of people they had that. Because yang flirted with Blake A LOT, well in comparison. From a writing perspective what they did with Bumbleby works. All of their scenes were tied to another romantic pair. Most yang and Blake centric or simply scenes with cute moments between them were attached to arkos or renora scenes. What I don't get is how you can say they weren't friends. Out of team RWBY Yang gets Blake to smile ALL the time and even back at beacon yang was her main friend beside sun. Who honestly had such a shallow crush on Blake its not even funny
@@wendysfreshneverfrozen1853 Why can I say and stand by they don't feel like friends? You can blame the awful script and dialog for one. But if I need to give a bullet by bullet breakdown, fine, I'll do just that. - For starters, there are way too many characters for most people to genuinely care about. And I mean *genuinely*. I'm not talking about. "Oh, I like this person." I'm talking about -- do they honestly evoke feelings for me as the audience member? Simple answer for me -- this is a me thing in this instance, but I'll stand by it. But no. When I got into the Series back when Monty just died -- didn't know about his Death till after Volume 2. By that. "By time I watched it." And this was before Volume 3 officially debuted. I watched all the Trailers, and got into the fighting styles and... for all intensive purposes the story -- I never treated RWBY as anything special, just something that was fun. Something fun does not need to be transient in quality or even writing standards that one may or may not have at the time. I think the fact it was so indie at the time is why I tried to be somewhat empathetic to it's writing problems -- but it does not erase the fact it is indeed problems. I didn't care about Jaune's Arc, I definitely didn't buy the Racism as someone who has been a victim of it growing up. It is hard to Empathize with something that has shallow weight in a show that can't portray it well. I didn't excuse it when I thought the original visionary was alive, and I sure as shit am not about to excuse it just because two other people are steering the ship now. But RWBY to me was just... Stylish and fun. The characters to me never were these amazingly well done Archetypes. It just feels like a world of Super Heroes with Anime Tropes that don't appeal to me. I didn't care for how long they were at the Academy. I didn't care about the manufactured, and forced feeling mellow drama either. But I'm not going to bash or try to insult people for what they like. They very much are entitled to love what they do, and I've no right to tell them otherwise. That being said, I can still say I loved the parts that were fun to me. And the Fun was the Dead or Alive inspired fight scenes. Which brings me to the next point. - I love Dead or Alive because of it's mechanics, it backdrops and how you can dynamically fight with your opponent in those spaces. RWBY's fight really nailed that feeling. It doubled down on the style and never toned it down in the first two volumes. No one can really deny that. Everything was fun, energetic, and busy in the best of ways. It was exciting. The character expressions in the fights themselves fit their postures and how they fight. And that was just awesome to not just look at -- but ironically give a slight feeling of empathy, because their gestures and body language sync up there to what is happening. I never cared so much about the romance that much; the dialog was never something to write home about and celebrate. It was just A to B, nothing really too deep to dissect. But there was one scene I really liked. - Yang. Yang was a character I absolutely loved because of Volume 2. She wasn't just Ruby's sister, but her Best friend and Maternal Figure. As we know, Summer wasn't really around long enough for anything really to where she could raise her daughter. Which meant that Yang was selfless enough to give her Sister the love that she needed and to try to somewhat be a guiding character. I thought this was pretty deep as someone who had to be there for my little brother when our parents had to always work. It was relatable, it was human. As was her talk with Blake there. But the problem stems there too. We barely see her talk with anyone on her team, and this extends to every character too. They have moments where I go. "I buy JNPR as friends. But not really RWBY as friends among themselves." But that is because of presentation. If I don't buy them as friends most of the time -- or see any meaningful dialog. Then I just see them more of co-workers more than I do friends. Like, I can sorta see Ruby and Weiss as Friends, and Weiss as a friend to Blake. But Blake's bulk of scenes were never with her team. In fact, she was mostly with the best written character in the show most of the time whenever she was a focus. - Sun had the adventures that Yang should have had with Blake. This isn't me with shipping -- but if we are to believe Blake has friends, I see her just having Sun at current. They have the most chemistry out of everyone Blake interacts with. And Yeah. Sun is dorky and they both make each other smile too. Just human interaction. Yeah, she smacks the shit out of him in Volume 4 -- but she was kind of a bitch, and most of it was deflected because the VA of Blake was like "SHE IS ABUSED. A VICTIM." Bitch, I was a Victim. It does not excuse being an asshole to everyone. Everyone has problems, solution should never be to lash out on others. It's uncivil. But my ultimate point is, Sun feels like the only real organic friendship she has. It does not feel "Implied", no friendship should ever feel "Implied" in a show. It's either real, or it isn't. And it's because of Volume 4 and 5 of her flip flopping... That also brings Blake down for be. Sun obviously likes her, and she spends the most time with each other, they give each other looks too. Illya just... Likes her because she just does -- fine. But her defecting because fondness of someone just seems shallow and like "My sexuality is way more important than the ideas I am fighting for." Yeah, I really have a problem with that character as a gay person too. My sexuality should never get in the way of my ideas and vise versa. It's just both... unrealistic and jarring. Adam was just... a butchered character. We see one thing in the Black Trailer, we hear about him in Volume 2 as a mentor... and then Retconned into obsession-- this is me just being annoyed with a change that didn't help the character... Yang, I could see her as a friend to Blake -- but Volume 4 and 5 shows her stress and anger about feeling abandoned by her friend. - Abandonment. Yang's thing pretty much deals with Abandonment. She never tries to even empathize with her mother or try to understand anyone else. She dismisses her mother pretty much outright for example and doesn't even try to understand that it isn't just a difference of perspective. But that maybe Raven is doing what she can to help her people. So not fully selfish. Even though she has no problems betraying or Backstabbing the Villains that would try to use her. Raven isn't the most vile thing, she just does what she needs to so she can get by with her way of life and of course her culture by extension. She never tries to Harm Yang either. So clearly she also wants what she perceives best of her daughter. But again, Yang is dismissive of her and whatever knowledge she may have. When she does learn the layered truth, she never really rectifies or amends what she feels about her mother either. Granted, she isn't exactly right there for her to talk with. She never tries to Empathize with Ozpin either; justifiable, he actually is the one that lied to everyone. Hell, even when Blake was with her on the Train. We never really see them try to talk about the *"issue."* Most of the dialog between them in Volume 6 felt more like grumbles than actual conversations because they went nowhere. And after the Adam fight, and Blake crying, the hand holding ... That does not feel like a romance; that feels like Yang just got *her* friend back. Not "Muh Girl friend." I'm not even against the fact RWBY has gay characters. I just wish they were well presented. Like if they had better pacing and just took an episode or two of them just... talking about *that* with each other, I could see it working. But we don't really have that. And the reason these feel flat, is because these characters kinda feel flat too because of everything we seen. And the shaky dialog doesn't help either. I don't totally hate this show... But I can say my appreciation of it has drastically been waning since Volume 3. It became more of something less suited for my taste, but ya know? That's okay. Not everything is going to be geared to what I like, and I rather not waste my energy on being negative about it. These are just my honest thoughts too. If people love the show, the shipping... More power for them -- but I don't feel the shipping is earned.
Its interesting that even Gay people don't care for how Bumblebee was presented. Honestly it seems Bumblebee only works in headcanon and memes and not what was presented in canon, because "OMG Yang said how about a cute little horsey, that proves they have a romantic bond stronger than anything." Yet I guess Miles and Kerry thought that was good enough and went in full force, because fuck it, it's a gay romance and a gay romance is automatically well written and automatically beautiful and automatically better than a straight romance. Honestly I wouldn't have the same issues if Freezerburn or Whiterose became canon. I mean I'm mostly indifferent to both, but at least neither of them would feel hamfisted or at least not as ham fisted than bumblebee. I feel sorry for new fans who pick this show up a decade after it ends and wondering what the hell is any of this going on and not have the fandom hype to tell them why these events are happening
RWBY should be Reset, a dude gonna speak the truth, current RWBY isnt gonna be fixed with hiatuses, it swifted too much from monty´s vision and the admission of the fact is trash must come from the writters themselves in order to have a chance at being fixed, they need to get in line with monty´s vision as well.
Eh, I'm with you on the rest, but past the "kiss", Pyrrha was still his teammate of 6 months, closest confidant and best friend. He finds out she was harboring feelings for him and then she immediately *dies* a terrible, terrible death. I can see it traumatizing him. That's why he freaks the fuck out- his best friend and teammate (who he's responsible for as team leader) sends him away and runs off to die, I really don't see how him having a meltdown is OOC at all.
I see one of two possibilities for Bumblebee as it's been executed in the show. Either they did it spontaneously because fans kept crying about it, or it really was planned from the beginning. And if it was planned from the beginning, it has to be the most poorly done, terrible, laziest planning and execution of a story arc I've ever seen. If this is the result of 6 years of planning, then I have zero hope for RWBY as a show to ever be good again.
I think Blake was mostly trying too hard to get on Yang's good side in V6 more than trying to get in a relationship, due to still feeling guilty about Yang losing her arm and then Blake abandonning her. She is kinda in the same position as Jaune was regarding, so we'll have to wait for next volumes to see what's up. But yeah, I think it's a problem when the only people Blake interacts on a regular basis with just happen to be in love with her, or are her parents. Adam, Ila, Sun, Yang... Maybe they're trying to make a parallel between the two redheads and the two blondes, that she is too busy falling for a boy to notice a girl's feelings. In that case it wouldn't make her relationship with Sun pointless, but yeah it is frustrating.
@@BabyGirlTiny This is the problem with unhealthy ships, the audience will catch on and expose the BS, it´s similar to the audience not liking shitty life lessons with a negative message, like the nepotism in MHA, life lessons and shipping must be executed properly and be healthy or the audience has no reason to accept what is presented at them, most of the Bumblebeehaters are a consequence of poorly presentation of the ship as canon in adition to a poor execution which even makes it worst because as you said Sun was already introduced before Yang x Blake moments even started getting in and we can tie those moments to friendship for the most part.
Thing is there's pretty much no indication of that whenever Yang takes the main focus. In Pyhra's case we saw clearly that she had a crush on Jaune from the start. Probably at least 70% of her screentime is dedicated to establishing this and her dealing with it. Yang meanwhile shows no real sign of that. As Twiins pointed out, none of her interactions with Blake would seem out of character in a platonic relationship. If I remember right this covers basically all of their personal interactions up to Vol 5-6: -She gets upset when Blake goes after the White Fang, but so does the rest of the team. -She has one dance with her, but there's zero focus on it and Sun is Blake's date. -She gets angry when Adam attacks Blake, but do you really think she'd react any differently if it was Weiss or Ruby? -Finally she spends an arc being genuinely angry with Blake for going back on her word and abandoning the team. Not exactly what I'd call parallel...
@@sm901ftw To me the moment that made me look at Bumblebee as a an actual possibility was when in V5 Yang told Weiss she was angry Black wasn't there, rather than her having left. Though I hated that scene for many reasons, one of them turning Yang's legitimate ire into "we'll have to help Blake when she comes back". Like, girls, really? As a side-note, I would have much prefered if it had been a three-way conversation between Yang, Ruby and Weiss, with Yang being obviously mad at Blake and not wanting her back, Ruby being more forgiving and assuming the best of Blake and so wanting her back, and Weiss being in the middle and telling them to wait for Blake to explain herself. Also, the soundtrack is really pushing for Bumblebee, with V4 having BMBLB as a bonus track, and All That Matters being Yang being glad Blake got back but not believing she could trust her fully ever again (sadly, it didn't really had any bearing on Yang's issue with Blake in V6, since she was more bothered with Blake coddling her, and I didn't really liked that the song played when the team's fully reunited was just another shipping song). Ruby's knowing look at Yang might be an indication that she knows what's going on, which could be also why she was so surprised Yang was opposed with the idea of Blake rejoining the group in V5C8. So I'm fine with Yang having a more than platonic interest in Blake. What's bothering me is that we didn't really see when she developped it or why (as you say before V5 there wasn't really any romantic undertones between them). But for Blake, we've go even less, so I don't really feel like she's interested that way as for now. like I said her attitude toward Yang being easily explained by her feeling shitty for causing her to lose an arm and then running away. But of course, that can change depending on how they tell the story going forward. BBut yeah, Bumblebee shippers yelling "it's canon!" (it's not, at least yet) at the top of their lungs isn't really helping.
@@MrRemicas so they turned Yang’s legitimate anger at her friend and partner running off into her whining that the super special cat waifu wasn’t there?
@Agt.BADASS Well, you see, when the show started, Miles was dating Blake's VA Arryn, but they broke up some time after. Coincidentally, the Adam psycho ex-boyfriend plot was introduced into the show.
+Agt.BADASS it’s not confirmed but it’s likely the reason as to why Adam changed so drastically because in the same fucking volume Adam literally could not give a single shit about Blake and he’s been hinted to only be a mentor before the Volume 3 finale
I think that’s why I was disappointed that Bmblbee is canon, since RWBY is back together, I was hoping we would see more interactions between Blake and Weiss and Ruby. Now that’s kinda gone out the window because the writers are more likely going to focus on the romantic relationship between yang and Blake in the next volume. And yes I do wish BlackSun(BlakexSun) was canon. Not because I’m against LGBT+ representation,(I’m Bi)but BlackSun had at least 3 volumes of setup with Blake and sun having many intimate scenes of them alone. I wouldn’t have a problem with Blake and Yang getting together, they just needed to build up sooner so it can feel more natural. But I hope I’m wrong, I hope that in the next volume, we get to see the team form stronger bonds with one another and get more one on one interactions.
@@novakaiser7949 Ever since he was introduced, Sun rarely gets seen without Blake, which frustrates me because Yang has only recently been seen constantly with Blake, and they're supposed to be PARTNERS!
This show's shipping concern is starting to be another Voltron situation. Especially given how on high alert the Bee-defenders have gotten since the last few days, curbing and silencing the voice of just about anyone who got a problem with Bumblebee. There's no room for sporadic line drawn here.
@023 Studios If you've been called all that for not supporting bumblebee that's bad. But that dosent mean all Bumblby shippers are like that. And as for your point on Monty please go to 49:19 . m.ruclips.net/video/ykADdGwqwpU/видео.html. Oh, and How about don't accuse People of disrespecting there dead best friends memory.
And this is why I don't really have a favorite ship out of them all. While I may enjoy a story or two from fans, there is a small problem. What is it? THE STORIES WERE BY FANS. They can make a story somehow believable with some love in it and do it great. The writers for the actual product do teasing, but no growth, very little in the way of platonic relationships with others, and so much stuff are just forced. I will not take the love and relationships seriously without a good reason. And ship teasing is one of the worst ways to make a riot happen if fans don't want it. Or want it, whatever the hell is the audience.
I actually like Rose Garden. Before Oscar came along I never really imagined Ruby being able to fall in love or have romantic feelings for anyone. But Oscar is a good match for her as they're both nice and make a wholesome couple with some awkward but cute interactions, a bit like Deku and Uraraka. Now we just have to get past the hurdles of 1) Oscar only getting his character development offscreen, and 2) sharing a soul with a millennia-old wizard inhabiting his body, though if played right, it could make good setup for a nice tragedy, if they fall in love with each other yet Ruby knows that Oscar's mind is slowly slipping away to Ozpin, but is loyal to him anyway.
Switchback I totally agree. Literally ALL of their interactions are adorbs. I’m a multi shipper with everyone but Ruby, before Oscar came along I didn’t think Ruby belonged with anyone! I’m confident we will get over these hurdles in time and I can’t wait
Something I learned from analyzing RWBY is that it's very important to establish why relationships, romance or not, are important to the characters themselves. Or to put it more simply, why do they like being with each other? Can I explain why these 2 characters are together? Not even in a romantic sense. I've never really thought too much about it until this show. With Ren and Nora, they were introduced together as a pair and you understand that they've been friends for a long time. Then when we get Ren's backstory we learn that they were both orphaned as kids. That coupled with Nora's line of how they "have no home left to go to" from Volume 3, we get the impression that they really only had each other to rely on. So Ren and Nora having a strong bond with each other in general makes sense. For Jaune and Pyrrha it's pretty much told to us why they mean a lot to each other. In Volume 2, Pyrrha tells Jaune how he's the only person to see her just as another person, not as some celebrity. And because of that Pyrrha was able to make true friendships, even if it's not really shown I'll admit. But say if Pyrrha were to be paired with Weiss, who only wanted Pyrrha because she's smart and thought together they'd be super popular, I think it's safe to assume Pyrrha would probably have had a more difficult time making friends. In Volume 3, Jaune states that Pyrrha was one of the only people to ever believe in him becoming a huntsman, saying how even his family doubted him. Pyrrha also trains Jaune to reach the potential she sees in him. You can tell that they genuinely care and wants the best for each other. Even with Blacksun, you could tell that at first Sun just liked Blake because she was a cool attractive Faunus girl, but as the series progress you could tell that he genuinely cares for Blake and wants to help her out. Sun literally thought Blake was going to take on the White Fang by herself in Volume 4 and thought she'd need some help. Then when the 2 actually had to deal with the White Fang in Menagerie, Sun moved all his focus on helping out instead of crushing on Blake. Only when they had some downtime did the 2 have these kinda flirty moments in Volumes 4 and 5. And his line "It was never about that", to me, didn't mean Sun no longer has feelings for Blake, but meant that he really just wanted to help her out with her problems and let her reconnect with her team. Sun has Blake's best interests in mind and isn't actively pursuing a relationship with her at every moment. For Blake's other relationships we don't really understand why they matter besides, "I knew this person at some point". Blake and Ilia were friends, which isn't so bad, they were both in the White Fang so I guess I can see them having a friendship. But then you reveal that Ilia is in love with Blake. And you give me no reason why. Same with Adam, first he was introduced as Blake's mentor. Okay, makes sense. From the Black trailer, he was in charge and directed Blake during their mission, and was shown to be pretty powerful in comparison to her. Blake says that the White Fang and Adam grew more violent and extreme for the cause, and it's the reason she left the White Fang. Makes sense, Adam didn't care for the crew members on the train they were on while Blake did. It was because of their ideals that Blake left since she thought equality between Faunus and Humans could be obtained through more peaceful ways. Then later, we find out that not only was Adam was in love with Blake, but also apparently they WERE dating. And Adam also apparently abused Blake during that time too. And he's also super obsessed with her. And now I have a lot more questions that need answers to because their relationship is a lot different than what was initially presented. Blake and Yang...well this video pretty sums up my thoughts. Sure, I could probably make up some reasons why Blake X Ilia/Adam/Yang makes sense and why they care so much about each other besides "They're my partner/friend", but that'd be speculation and headcanon at that point. And that stuff is a big no-no in this series since it apparently ruins our expectations for a character, according to some responses regarding a dead Taurus.
Not even gonna touch the whole Adam and Blake's relationship because Adam is probably the most inconsistent and mishandled character in the series, but(NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE) I thought it was kinda obvious why Ilia liked Blake. Ilia lost her parents thus in a situation where you have no family, it makes sense that you'd grow more attached to your friends and considering her and Blake spent an unknown amount of time together(although we could probably speculate years) it would make sense for Ilia to get attached to Blake as the only positive relationship she had. Maybe Ilia had other friends, but they kinda made it sound like it was mostly just her Adam and Ilia. I mean even if Ilia was straight and didn't have romantic feelings for Blake, I still think it makes perfect sense why she'd grow attached to her and why she was crushed when Blake ran away.
@@wlfmanjack I get what you're saying, it does make sense to an extent. I think my issue stems more from the lack of an insiders look of the White Fang as a whole. There are really only 4 White Fang members we actually know being Blake, Adam, Ilia, and Sienna Khan. But in reality there were probably plenty of other Faunus that have gone through similar tragedy like Ilia and such. And it doesn't help that Blake has like 3 other love interests besides Ilia, further prompting the question of why she's so special. But honestly I'm probably just complaining about semantics when it comes to Ilia. It's more of an issue I have with the writing of the White Fang and the Faunus discrimination plot than her, I guess.
@@dlo397 Naw I get that, truth be told Ilia is my favorite character since the volume 5 trailer, but yeah even I acknowledge she's kind of a pointless character. I mean with all the craziness surrounding Blake with Adam, Sun, and apparently Yang what was the point of giving a fourth romance interest? At first I thought it was to show Blake, she hurt someone she didn't have feelings for which would have perfectly set up her sitting down with either Sun or Yang and say something along the lines of "I'm sorry, but I just don't feel the same way about you," before jumping into a new relationship. Which would have been a mature way of handling the ship war and how she keeps hurting people when she runs away, but it didn't happen with Sun and doesn't look like it'll happen towards Yang. Was it so Ilia could be the rebound to the loser, a common practice in love triangles? Well no,the writers confirmed she's 100% lesbian and she didn't go to Atlas so her and Yang aren't hooking up. Was it just representation? Well if Bumblebee a lesbian romance amongst two main characters everyone wants happens then why shoe horn in a gay rep just to write her off. Ilia already felt like the version of Blake if she chose to stay in the White Fang and her crush could have lead to Blake not having an attraction towards girls, but if Bumblebee is still endgame its like "hey we introduced another lesbian who's into Blake. Now that, that's done we're gonna write her off so Blake can be a lesbian with Yang." Part of me thinks Ilia's purpose was just Monty's idea of saying "Well I don't want to go with Bumblebee but maybe we can give the fans some lesbian representation." Honestly despite volume 6, I don't think the writers fully know where they want to take Blake's love life and may end up just saying fuck it, it's bumblebee, it's popular, and we'll deal with awkwardness in the Vacuo arc
@@wlfmanjack If I can praise Ilia on one thing, it's that she's definitely the most fleshed out White Fang member. Granted, that might not be saying much but at least we get her backstory, valid motivation for joining the White Fang, some inner conflict with what she's doing, etc. And she gets enough screen time for all that. And I guess it's nice to see at least one White Fang member seeing the error of their way as opposed to dying or being arrested like literally everyone else lol. Honestly if Bumblebee does happen it'll make me feel really bad for Ilia. She confesses to Blake, Blake says nothing about it, they say goodbye to each other, and then the next time they meet Blake introduces Ilia to her new human girlfriend. If Bumblebee is 100%, no doubt about it, plzstopteasing it, canon...I hope it turns out decent. I don't even know how they'll even begin to try doing romance when they first thing they've done as a couple is kill someone. And also there's kinda this evil witch trying to destroy the world or something that's kind of a big deal... Anyway if this is the route they're committed to, I hope they can write it well.
@@dlo397 Yeah, assuming Bumblebee happens I fear the writers may not realize how deep of a hole they're digging for themselves with how they've introduced Ilia and Sun that going with Bumblebee does nothing but overcomplicate things especially since the stakes have never been higher. And I swear if volume 7 is when it's officially canon Imma scream cause Blake literally just killed someone she once loved. With that kind of emotional distress and vulnerability, the last thing she needs is a new lover. In every regard it just makes far more sense to keep Blake and Yang platonic, but that seems like a 1% chance of happening. IDK, at this point I'm just waiting for the Vacuo arc out of fear that the writers won't know what to do with Sun anymore and will opt to killing him off.
@@generalbiscuits2490 depends on how they do it, the way that the show is going so far (blake and yang suddenly have romntic feelings for each other without anything really happening between them that would imply that they're more than just friends) I wouldn't like it. However, I'm a sucker for cute stuff so if they had a lot of cute scenes together I would be less upset :3
I do have issues with bumblebee. When you force a relationship just for the sake of fan shipping you cheapen the potential for real relationships and hurts what should be first THE STORY!
@@brianbrush5107 the story is about OZ AND SALEM and there's barely anything about them in this volume except for 1 episode and small scenes. Bumblebee has no reason to take up so much screen time if it was built up as people claim so it's forced :)
@@Axel_Kasai That's stupid. The Salem and Ozma one was short because it was a flashback. And bumblebee has more screen time because it is a present day romance.
@@brianbrush5107 wel oz and salem are still relevant. The flashback was to show you why. And if they never let renora have a moment and they're present romance. So tell me bumblebee is not fanservice.
@@brianbrush5107 once renora killed the nuckalavee, they got pushed to the background. If that doesn't happen to bumblebee now that adams gone, its fanservice
I feel the characters feeling stabled together isn't limited to Ren and Nora. They're probably the most stabled together, but I feel Team RWBY is kinda suffering from this too. It's really feeling more like Team RW & BY at this point. I hope that if they will go for Bumblebee, which they most likely will, they give Yang and Blake more time to actually develop their relationship. I feel it's rather rushed already, but it at least can be somewhat fixed by giving them the time in Volume 7 and onward to establish things with each other.
I honestly have no hope for bumblebee, I always thought it was a cute ship but never once considered it might be cannon throughout the show. Now they are basically a couple and everyone is losing their shit. Even Bumblebee shippers are either mad because it's obviously rushed pandering, or are in denial trying desperately to find reasons to explain why the ship even became canon. Also, if they have the slightest shred of intelligence the entire Atlus arc is primarily going to be centered around Weiss, Winter, Jaq, Whitley, Qrow, Ironwood, Oscar, and Blake with racism (even though it's been done to death) so if they try to fit romantic development, it's not going to work because they won't be able to fi everything.
At least Ren and Nora make sense to be stabled together in a fighting sense, Ren is more of a ninja fighter needing openings to defeat his foes, whereas Nora is like this Tank with incredible firepower that due to her weak speed could use Ren´s help, but again this only works in a fighting scenario.
I'll say it right here, right now. I have always viewed Blake and Yang's relationship as platonic throughout volumes 1-5. Even in Volume 6 I still didn't fully see this as a romantic pairing. Frankly, I'm still quite confused if they are or are not together at this point. I have a strong suspicion that the only reason they are together is because of fan support for Bumblebee. And it's not a good thing when the creators start altering the story for the sake of shippers, many of whom will literally take any and every interaction and try to put a romantic spin on it regardless of how unromantic and normal that interaction actually is. I just really dislike Bumblebee. It's literally built on nothing. Prior to Volume 6 is was just built on nonexistent fantasies by shippers. I myself have a huge allegiance to the truth and one thing I hate more than anything else is when people lie. When they say that Blake was clearly interested in Yang and vis versa I get very annoyed because that is a lie. I would likewise be extremely annoyed if they legitimately believe that Jaune was secretly a time traveling version of Abraham Lincoln. That is a lie too. I don't see how such a major misinterpretation of the show was allowed to persist in the RWBY community for so long. To keep propagating Bumblebee just seemed so dishonest. But here we are post-Volume 6 and it feels like RWBY just confirmed that Jaune was in fact Abraham Lincoln the entire time and he's here to deliver the Emancipation Proclamation to all the Faunus slaves.
@@generalbiscuits2490 I think I would be. It seems fundamentally dishonest for the show to say something and then do something completely different, ignoring all the things the show said before. It's like if Katara from Avatar suddently started firebending one day. That would not make sense and be dishonest to the previous story. Beyond that it's also just bad writing.
Bumblby had Plenty of Moments. From Blake directly comparing Her relationship with Yang to her Relationship with Adam before he went nuts. To There dance together. To The Scene in Volume 5 where yang just stares like the whole world stopped when she sees Blake. To Adam saying he'd Destroy everything Blake loved...starting with Yang. It's fine to not like a ship, but you seem to think that because you didn't like the ship it came out of nowhere.
It's undeniable Blacksun has gotten a far more build up and Bumblebee just sort of... Happens, I've even seen some Bumblebee shippers agree. Not only that, but it takes place after Blake traumatized Yang and during the Atlas arc where our group has to figure out what to do knowing Salem can't be killed, Cinder and Neo coming in, Salem on the offensive, a new maiden, another relic, and the possibility of the Schnees getting involved(we know its gonna happen) Basically Sun and Blake have been working on their relationship directly when the stakes were very low and continued when they started to rise, but now Blake and Yang are starting theirs when the stakes have never been higher and on top of that it's after Blake already traumatized Yang and after they already killed Blake's ex. With all that emotional weight of killing someone you once loved, a new relationship is the last thing Blake needs. So is it gonna happen right before the Vacuo arc or during? Either way, with how they developed Blake and Sun's relationship that's gonna be awkward for everyone. For the Writers, characters, and the audience(except for the wasps, who don't have any other investment outside of when Bumblebee happens) The only way this sequence of events would make sense is if they did confirm Blake and Yang had feelings for each other, but decide they're better off as friends *THEN* start developing Freezerburn slowly. Yang did save Weiss from Raven's tribe and Weiss did comfort Yang in volume 5. Weiss's family life was very grim to say the least and Yang is very welcoming having a more motherly instinct perfect for someone like Weiss. And this could be a sort of history repeats, like how Raven ran away from Tai and he found Summer. Have Freezerburn develop slowly as it doesn't have any baggage and has a more natural set up than Bumblebee, then at the end of the series when Salem is defeated make it canon. I'm not even a Freezerburn fan, but it would be the smart thing to do. But sadly I just know the writers won't do it. They won't dare go against Bumblebee and that's sad because this set up is just atrocious. Like I can't think of a worse way they could have set up Bumblebee
@@crab5862 well it's right in front of you, and yeah. They were built up romantically. He flirted with her constantly, she'd get flustered by all his attention, and now he's her wingman? Doesn't make any goddamn sense. Yeah my bro is my wingman, he winks at me and I blush and get flustered. You see the issue? They have so many romantic false leads for Blake in order to keep drama high it makes this Yang thing stupid.
@@crab5862 based on your name and argument I'm going to assume you're a bumblebee shipper and any hardcore shipper is impossible to debate with but I'm going to attempt to anyways. Fact 1: Monty said way early on the team was supposed to be a sisterhood. Therefore all characterization in volumes 1-4 reflected that. Until this most recent volume, nothing really romantic happened between Yang and Blake. Fact 2: Sun was flirting with Blake but it wasn't a one sided thing. Blake isn't big on talking about her feelings but that fact that she could get flustered or blush when he would compliment her showed he had an affect on her. Something no one else up to that point had really done except Weiss pissing her off. Fact 3: up until the most recent volume both characters only had ever expressed interest in men. Blake's relationship with Adam was abusive, sure. But that doesn't happen in a vacuum. You don't enter in a relationship without initial attraction. Yang had been ogling men in the first volume and in her intial introduction video. She was never shown as anything but straight up till this point. In any case regardless of all of this nonsense their setup, execution, and reasoning for all this was done poorly. Look I love a good romance if it's done right. I don't care the gender as long as I'm given a reason to care. I'm a straight native American male and I still got all sad when Klaus saw his dead boyfriend in umbrella academy. Because it made me care. Klaus was made better by his relationship so it mattered to me too Blake and Yang's relationship annoyed the shit out of me. I don't see why Yang would enjoy Blake's sudden neediness. I don't see why Blake was so easily forgiven for everything she did without them ever talking it out. I didn't like the way Blake went from being aloof and anti social to utterly dependent when she was around Yang. It seemed so unhealthy and uncomfortable. Just the whole thing is done wrong. I mean Blake and Yang either shouldn't even be dating someone right now after what they've been through. Speaking as someone who's been through a horribly abusive and manipulative relationship before, the last thing you need during that time is a new relationship. At least until you work a lot of shit out. Which they hadn't. They just brushed everything aside and it's all hunky dory fine. But that's not how that shit works. My wife and I broke up 3 times before we finally got married because we didn't communicate about some of the seriously mean shit we did to each other. And she didn't let my arm get cut off and abandon me for a fucking year. Anybody who did that would be beyond dead to me. Blake never earned that forgiveness. She just showed up and Yang was suddenly and instantly smitten with her. Which makes no goddamn sense. She should be mad. Blake should have had to make serious efforts to show how much she changed and how she would never breach Yang's trust again before they could even *begin* a relationship. But nah, we got some sappy stares and then everything is fine now. Nevermind that every time Yang tries to reach for something with her dominant arm she'd be reminded of what she lost and why. This is an example of how you should never do a romance. But hey Tumblr got what it fucking wanted.
@@crab5862 yeah that was about what I expected of you. Well I'm glad you got what you wanted. But personally, I give more of a shit about good writing. And yes, I used another show as an example. An example of writing a relationship done right. Dismissing examples doesn't dismiss the fundamental point I brought up. Why. Should. We. Care. A relationship should only be introduced if it is fundamentally important to the plot. How does it affect the characters. How would they react in that situation. RT didn't ask those questions. They just ran with the plot and let the characterization catch up which is insulting to the characters. Rushing a romance is like rushing an ending. It's unsatisfying. And if the show wasn't about romance then it shouldn't have taken such a front seat in the last volume. But it did. Huge chunks of airtime were dedicated to it. And how the fuck does that make sense. Wiess fixed the anger. Oh so her and Weiss talked which means it's all okay? There's no conversation between Blake and Yang. It's all good now. Yeah that doesn't fly. Weiss started a conversation sure but it should have been more than that if bumblebee was the route they were going. They should have had more buildup, more time spent fixing their relationship. Unrealistic romances are annoying, it's why people don't like the old style pulp action anymore where the hero gets the girl just because he exists. You have to ask why. Why did Yang start liking Blake. Where did the feelings come from. Once again, RT doesn't ask the important questions. Yang likes Blake now. Nevermind why right? Essentially you're just happy they mashed the square peg into the circle hole and are decrying those of us who aren't happy about it. But hey I'm not blinded by the shipping goggles to basic tenants of character writing. But then again, you're right. This is RWBY. The same show that changes how it's powers works between seasons. The same show that has ten million characters with only about 12 of them actually mattering. Why should I give a shit about consistency when it clearly doesn't have it. And for gods sake the "show don't tell" rule of writing is more important than you nitpicking sexuality. You want to show people a straight or bi character, have them lust over someone of one or both genders. You can't do that and then backtrack and go "Oh but she doesn't actually LIKE men" because you've already established she does and going back on that is deviating from the expectations you've already built into your characterization. Those sorts of things are why people flipped their lids when Iceman went gay because for 30 years he only showed interest in girls and then suddenly writers said "nahhh, that was just him faking it" It didn't make sense with previous characterization. Hell Yang and Blake could very well be Bi but they should have established that for a bit before they pulled the trigger on a romance. Otherwise it comes out of nowhere. Yang could have thrown some shots about Blake being cute or something. Anything. Just more setup than "oh ya I like girls too" Also you have an incredibly insulting and flawed view of how abuse works. By your logic I should be gay because I was in a controlling and abusive relationship with a woman. But I didn't turn gay I just stopped trusting *everyone*. Suddenly anybody who liked me had a ulterior motive. I didn't let myself get too close to people because I couldn't trust anyone. Abuse breaks down your fundamental trust in people, it doesn't change your sexuality. That's a fucked up thing to say because that implies all gay people became that way because of abuse and that's simply not true. You have this flawed idea that I'm against bumblebee. I'm not. I just wanted it to be done right. As it stands it detracts from my two favorite characters. It makes them inconsistent and confusing. They deserve a better setup for this so if fits them better. They should have grown into the relationship, not had it shoehorned in. Either way, I'm probably wasting air here. I don't expect you to understand. Like I said before, you got what you wanted so you don't care how you got it. But the hows and whys are what separates good writing from bad. I'm sorry you can't see that. And no. I don't have a masters in writing. I doubt you do either. Fake internet creditials don't mean much to me.
@@crab5862 "I myself am a very ace gay" That's like saying that water is dry. If you're gay then you have a sexual attraction to the same sex. If you're asexual you have no sexual attraction to anyone. Those two ideas directly contradict each other. Pick one. And don't give me this "having feelings vs banging them" bullshit, because asexuality and homosexuality deal with sexuality and banging people. It's in the fucking name. You can't be asexual and homosexual at the same time.
I'm pretty sure Jaune was upset that one of the people closest to him, who encouraged and inspired him, and who had a crush on him that he only found out about at the last second, died. With no way for him to stop it. You can care about someone without having romantic feelings for them; you can be sad when they're suddenly gone from your life; you can be devestated by the knowledge that you were utterly powerless to stop it. That, I feel, is the takeaway from that particular dynamic. As for the others... Yeah, friendships aren't really a focus on the series. Remember Yang's school friends from Episode 2 or 3 that dragged her away from Ruby? The shadow people who never got names or faces of any sort? Why don't we ever get to find out what they're up to?
I like to think that the scene where jaune is crying about phyrra after he gets sent away in a locker wasnt necessarily about jaune being inlove but more on he knew that his best friend, Which was the person who stuck with him and gave their time to train him, was about to die. Hell Id be pretty scared knowing someone I cared about was gonna get their ass killed XD. Never really thought that jaune x pyhrra would ever work out so I never saw them as a pairing
sisterhood also holds the meaning of "An association, society, or community of women linked by a common interest, religion, or trade. ". The topic's ambiguous.
How about we write a story instead of shipping everything that moves? Seriously, Adam had so much potential before he became the ex-boyfriend... Jaune and Pyrrah are justified because their arcs and motivations are based on that relationship, but the amount of ship biting they're doing with Oscar and Ruby and the egregious Bumblebee scenes are just out of the left field, and usually sacrifice good characterization to be onscreen! Can we just drop the relationships altogether? I'm not against shipping, but Miles and Kerry seem to be afraid they'll get no views if they drop the ships!
@@twiinsiink I mean, it all depends on the execution. Romance can always play a part in any story, but you need to understand how humans function in order to write a plausible relationship without sacrificing good characterization or the plot. But I feel Miles and Kerry just don't know how to write either a good story nor a relationship, yet they keep trying to do both at the same time! Bernie needs to realize Miles and Kerry are hack writers and making Miles the lead writer for RT was a mistake. Kerry can do good things on his own (seems like he was the one who wrote the PTSD scenes with Yang in V4), but Miles I feel is a lost cause. He has his head too far up his ass to listen to constructive criticism - anything that isn't "I like Blake, I want to see more of her" he takes as a personal attack.
@@cheriharrington7487 The only thing that can actually save the plot is changing the writers. XD Leave shipping to the ero-doujin that will inevitably come out of any work that exists and just focus on the plot at hand.
The bumble bee thing was almost definitely ham fisted because fans kept crying about it. I don't believe they had planned out any of that from the start.
I hope it wasn't planned because if it was...then that means they can't plan their way out if a bag...remember Blake didn't have to leave vale and go home and have sun tag along the writers chose for that to happen instead of Blake staying with yang to give emotional support during her time of need.
@@zenther5862 They probably think they're "giving the fans what that want" because fangirls don't care about good writing. I remember the voice actors we're talking about the possibility years ago at a panel.
@@OasisAlighieri I only started watching rwby recently so I skipped the fandom stuff, watched monty oums dead fantasy when it came out but didn't get into rwby until now....all I can say after watching all in one go is the story feels disjointed..thr rwby team split up but when they got back together only weiss seemed to grow as a person and none of the rest seemed any stronger for going on a personal journey
It wasn't planned from the start. Monty even deconfirmed it back around volume 2 when people asked if the team would have any gay ships after they brought up that there would be gay characters in the show. He stated that the team was like a sisterhood.
I realized about rwby after volume 6 that in this series shipping is more important than a good story but the show is kinda good. I started watching Rwby after playing Blazblue Cross Tag Battle (ironically I bought it only because of persona 4). But in game Ruby has better chemistry with Hyde (a character from a different world) than Blake from her own team.
@Diego RT I can't be mad at you for spoiling Hyde and Ruby for me since I haven't played Cross Tag Battle yet, because I just happened across your comment while scrolling this video's comment section... And hey at least Ruby and Team RWBY's inclusion in that game did its job and got you to check out the show. But if a newcomer like yourself can see the lack of chemistry in canon ships as well as long time fans can really highlights how big of a problem it is.
Agree with you about BB. If RT is really gonna go through with it, why give us all these Blacksun moments? People argue that Blacksun is a red herring, but if so, RT is really making a big mistake. Using an example from Naruto, this is exactly what happened with Kishimoto setting up these NaruSaku moments before going with NaruHina in the end. Granted, I never liked or shipped NaruSaku, but I can see why fans are understandably upset.
At least Kishi ended up going for the most healthy ships, with RT we clearly see they will end up giving the audience a shitty unhealthy ship, regardless of the outrage.
The blacksun moments were because Monty was pushing for Blake and Sun to get together. It’s very clear that Blake and Yang being romantically interested in each other suddenly was not part of his plan due to how it reeks of RT writing and how inorganic it is. It’s just pandering.
Josh K I dont really remember Sakura actually liking Naruto, at least for me it was always a surface level one sided crush. In fact she told Naruto she loved him out of pity once, which is a really fucked up thing to do to a guy. I was never into Naruto ships at all but im even less into NaruSaku
@@revolvingworld2676 It was best Naruto didn't get with Sakura considering how horrible she treated him (one of her more unforgettable moments was literally insulting him for not having parents and like you said, she said she "loved" him just to prevent him from stopping her from killing Sasuke, which I found hilarious that she thought she could do that).
@@JayRedGear Adding on to that whole Sakura insulting parents thing, it's hilarious that Sasuke could empathise more with Naruto than be in love with Sakura.
According to Unicorn of War, Blake kissing Sun goodbye, is a sign that this was end of their romantic relationship. What? I don't have a problem with BlackSun or Bumblby, but if they wanted to drop BlackSun, they should've (a) Had them date and break up, or (b) Discuss being together and come to the conclusion it wouldn't work. But Blake's behavior makes me not want Blake to end up with anyone. She slapped Sun whenever he made her unhappy. She abandoned Yang when she needed her and didn't apologize when she came back and every instance of getting them alone felt like was Blake trying to slide past the issue of abandoning Yang. Ruby shouldn't want Blake to be with Yang because Blake abandoning her, but it's never discussed. If Adam was abusive as CRWBY said on Twitter, then Blake shouldn't be looking for a relationship right now. She got out of an abusive relationship. She shouldn't be wanting to pursue another at the moment. Or, if she was, she would be hesitant.
On the topic of "should Ruby even want Blake with Yang" I'm not sure Ruby would have much opinion on it really, and even if she does- it kinda doesn't matter? Ruby's opinion on the ship shouldn't effect the members of the ship (or at least that's how I see it). And for "If Adam was abusive, Blake shouldn't be looking for a relationship", I disagree. There's no "time limit" one needs to wait for after getting out of a tough relationship before entering a new one. There's no guide-line on how to do relationships right; if Blake developed romantic feelings for Yang/Sun/whoever, then she did. Regardless of how long it's been since she was with Adam. (I'll also point out that it's actually been a pretty long time since Blake left Adam. At least a year, judging by their ages between volumes). As for Unicorn's comment of "this is the end of their romantic relationship".... yeah sounds like a load of head cannon to me. I know Unicorn ships Sun, Blake, and Yang all together. It seems he's just convinced himself (or at least lets himself believe) that there was a real relationship between Blake and Sun during their stay on the island. While it's abundantly clear that's not actually the case. A fun head cannon to think about, but head cannon none the less.
I gave up trying to be hopeful about a series whose writing changed overnight to suit what fans wanted over what suited the plot better, but I hope instead of romantic relationships we get more regular team bonding. Tbh the last time anyone felt like a Cohesive Team was in the early volumes when they were just getting to know each other. We ought to step away from the mourning of loved ones and groaning about canon or not canon ships and try to make these friends feel like actual friends. Also I wanted to say: When Jaune met Phyrra’s mom in Argos I was really really hoping that moment signified an end to the edgy “Wah Phyrra’s Gone” arc, and we can move on from that entirely. Like, drop it. I’m tired of it and it was poorly written anyway.
But then she disappeared, as if to say that was actually Pyhrra's ghost, because the day Rooster Teeth stops fucking their fandom is the day I eat my own ass.
I'm kind of on the same boat about Bumblebee; it's cute as hell, and I totally see why such a large majority of the fandom loves it, but I just wish it had more buildup. It also makes Sun just kind of... pointless. Like, what role in the story does Sun even have now? He was "Blake's love interest" and that's it. Now he doesn't even have that, since Blake went with Yang. Maybe this will let them develop him on his own though, or hell have him actually interact with the team he ditched for two entire Volumes to chase Blake around.
jjilatt123 I know they won’t do this since M/K aren’t good enough writers and the toxic fans will take it the wrong way, but I want Sun to get confused or have some kind of reaction to Bumblebee when he returns. The reason I say the toxic fans would take it the wrong way, instead of seeing his reaction as confusion set around basically realizing none of the character interactions really led anywhere, they’d say he’s “a toxic male who thought he was entitled to Blake”
RWBY doesn't want to do relationships, it just wants to SAY it has relationships. They want to have ships and stretch out them possibly getting together as long as possible to keep more people watching. Ren and Nora are the closest thing they have to a relationship, but it doesn't really feel earned or impactful. It doesn't have much of a buildup and in previous seasons they've been a comedy duo. Nora is one of my favorite characters in the whole series, but to me it doesn't feel much different from how they were before, she just kinda leans on him in the opening and I think a couple times in the season? I can't even remember. For all we know they're just friends with benefits now, it feels like so little a difference from how they were before. That's how I see it anyway.
1:00 technically it was the only person in jaunes life who actually believed in him and Pyrrhas whole point is the whole to die for Jaune it's meant to be a "what-if" and not an actual relationship that's why the death of the Pyrrha is really sad not because they are together it's because they could've been
My sister got asked out by her friend the day before valentines day. She was going to tell him yes that morning but he ended up dying that morning. I can 100% say the way Jaune acts is the way if not less the way my sister acted.
The aftermatch of something like jaune went through, is the regret over what happened and how he ruined the chance of making good memories with Pyhrra or maybe prevent her death.
Or maybe he feels responsible, she spent so much time helping him improve he could feel he was holding her back from being the best she could have been, maybe he regret being so blind not seeing everything she had for him that probly why juane was like that
I think CRWBY doesn't know how to write personal interactions, let alone relationships. None of the characters really have any good interactions w/ each other outside of ships. They view goofy moments as good storytelling & relationship building. Ruby & Yang hardly seem like sisters, both physically & in terms of characterization. Qrow & Raven also seem to have lackluster interactions. All that could be forgiven, but there's nothing else to really pay attention to. The story is a bit directionless & flimsy, at best. It's stupid & makes little sense at worst. And w/o a good story, the action is a bit pointless, especially since it's drop in quality. RWBY had so much potential, but I see it going the way of "The Legend of Korra" if they don't make some much needed improvements.
Yeah. Even the significant character of Summer has been poorly developed so far. Other than season 3 scene with Ruby visiting her grave, there has been no development/exploration of her bond with her mum. Yang said Ruby was too young to remember her and that is fine but if Summer is going to be some part of the shows lore, they might as well explore her character through her loved ones and the people who knew her. The flashback in volume 6 chapter 14 doesn't even count cuz Ruby never talked about her mum ever since volume 3. You could even say that they forgot all about Summer until the final chapter or they didn't even try and slapped that scene at the last moment. When the silver eyes were in discussion, they didn't take the opportunity for Ruby to even think about her. The relationship is so weak, I can count the scenes involving Ruby and Summer alone on one hand and that also includes the vol 6 flashback.
@@syrusangi8743 True. If anything other characters could have flashbacks to Summer, like say Yang (since Summer's basically the only mom's she's known). It would've been interesting if Yang asked Raven why couldn't she have been a mom like Summer was to her. But w/ the way Raven's poorly written, she probably would have a lame response--if she responded at all. CRWBY seems to come up w/ ideas, but don't know how to explain them. And whenever questions are ask or a continuity error is mentioned, they're not ready for it & respond in anger. IDC what anyone says, it seems like CRWBY's making everything up as they go along. Either that or they're changing things that were previously planned, to disastrous effect. And instead of spending time on fixing and/or establishing things, they'd rather worry about -ships & creating even more pointless characters (like Oscar & Maria). It would've been more interesting if Oz "reincarnated" (even though it's more of body hopping) in Qrow.
@@MoCa1979Jr I agree. From what I am seeing, they would rather take short cuts than improve the story. They know that groups like LGBT will follow and support the show for any piece of representation they can get whether it is proper or not. So long they are noticed and people get their lesbian fantasy. They tend to please the fans and depend too much on fan service to keep the show going. It's not bad to do fan service but if it must be in the story, make it relevant and not an inconsistent hinderance. I don't usually watch their conventions or podcasts that much, but if what I hear about them are true, they don't seem to be the most professional team crew.
@@syrusangi8743 Ugh I hate that trope of gay people sacrificing good plot/character development for representation. I'm gay and as nice as it would be to have a m/m couple, it should be done right. I have only finished up to V5 and had no idea Bumblebee was a real thing. I thought it was a fanfictional term until now. This "couple" has shown nothing to support it as far as I can see this entire series up to V5.
The relations between all the characters seem very hollow whether ships or not and it's bad. Ruby and Yang are supposed to be sisters but we see nothing showing that outside of Yang saying she wants to be there for her sister but then immediately runs to Blake in every situation. As you said they are supposed to be teams but never feel that way due to lack of conversations and interactions as a whole. As the viewer who know nothing between curtain characters but are treated as if we do, and it doesn't help with the outside sources being told to us via RTX panels and simple head cannons to fill any holes, if at all. The ships in this show never feel natural but are told that they are *cough* Arryn *cough*, Arkos was a one way ship with Pyrrha wanting Jaune but he was too focused on Weiss. So when vol 5&6 come around is seems odd with how emotional he is towards her death, I would understand if it was because she was a teammate/partner but no, its feels more like a lost lover despite not having those kind of emotion for her till during/after her death. Bumblebee is a major issue in my opinion. We are given very few interactions between the two in the first 3 volumes, be away for 2, and be awkward around each other for most of the latest one. As stated in the video we get WAY more time between Blake and Sun than Blake and Yang as well as flirting to boot. I feel they wanted to add tension to Blake's choice of relationships so they added Ilia as one, kept Sun as one, made Adam an ex, and finally Yang for another. There was no need to go through all this if the final choice was going to be Yang, just make them a thing at the end of 2 when we had decent evidence of it possibly being a thing, have them "brake up" in 3, and finally have them fix everything in 6 after both of them having doubts about the other for 2 volumes. With what we are given in the show it feels like Blake and Yang just suddenly fall for each other with no build up or even closure on their issues with one another because they need to be a thing. If the writers want to create relationships, make them work and not potentially compromise a story. Make it subtle with hint here and there scattered throughout the main story and maybe have them get together when things are quite and peaceful, sort of, so they reflect on what brought them here. Another big thing is to make sure it doesn't disturb the team aspect of the show, make it so they still care for everyone in the team equally and not raise another's importance above everyone else. If a team member is caring more for one person over the others, it destroys that team feeling and now they seem split on who's more important to each other and can ruin otherwise great teamwork.
I agree with this video and I know you were just trying to find a scene of Oscar when you said something about him falling in love with another character but the zoom out with Qrow made me chuckle and then get scared because I realized RWBY isn’t free from those people
Yes, lol I wasn’t the only one who laughed at 13:20 when she said “Now I hope they don’t have Oscar falling in love with a different character.” Yes, there are people in the fandom who will grasp at weird subtext and try to make it official, like some conspiracy theorist. Lol but that ship would make the show so much worse it Is just hilarious thinking about it. “Oh no, uncle Qrow only dedicated his life to Ozpin because Qrow is romantically in Luv with Ozpin, not because he thought it was the right thing to do.”
Arkos felt like a solid relationship, with probably only Black Sun Blake x Sun being the only other believable relaitonship. The pairs had decent chemistry and development over the course of the series. Everything else, Bumblbee especially is just fan pandering and shipping fuel that I wish would die.
@@generalbiscuits2490 I dont care, i already gave up on this show, what bothers me is that the whole "planned from the start" thing is just a cheap way to ignore criticism.
General Biscuits on every post you just ask if people would be mad if it’s canon and then don’t reply further what’s up with that? Why ask the question if you don’t give a response after they answer?
Technically, Nora monologued "My man!" so I was thinking it could still be one-sided. I think the best we've got is the V6 opening theme. I really wonder how much is simply due to preproduction and insufficient runtime. They were obviously writing the script on the fly. gen:LOCK had 2 years(?) and lots of money, so it was super compact and fast paced. They were able to fit in 10 main characters in 3.2 hours, with one primary love interest and hints of possibly two others. It's really hard to say who's a main character, but RWBY had 1.8 hours in V1 and showed, in order of number of lines: Ruby, Weiss, Jaune, Yang, Blake, Pyrrha, Ozpin, Penny, Cardin, Nora, Roman, Sun, Port, Glynda. Or screentime: Ruby, Weiss, Jaune, Blake, Yang, Pyrrha, Cardin, Ozpin, Ren, Roman, Nora, Penny, Sun, Port, Glynda, I guess that's around 10 main characters, maybe more? There's the explicitly failing White Knight and tiny hints of Renora, Eclipse, and Arkos. Granted, it's hard to reduce our current understandings of the characters to what we only had after V1, but I still think it's pretty efficient for having only 57% of the runtime of gen:LOCK. To be honest, if they had simply cut Jaune, it would've been much better. Pyrrha would naturally be her team's leader, and she would encourage Ruby in leadership, instead of Ruby giving that speech to Jaune in that hallway. Ruby would gain Weiss's respect because Ruby faces Cardin's bullying, and not just because of Port's pep talk. And if Pyrrha is Ruby's love interest, it makes the silver-eyed reaction at the tower much more believable. And this completely solves Ruby's character development issues. Sigh... Sorry, I complain about the past too much. Keep moving forward, amirite?
And now I'm sad that Milk & Cerrials was never a thing... Yeah, focusing on Jaune so much has really hurt the show more than some people are willing to admit. It's not that I _want_ to dislike Jaune but Weiss, one of our _supposed_ main characters, getting stabbed just so Jaune can get his hero moment really opened my eyes to how cancerous Jaune's presence has been to most of the main cast, and how this is far from the first time Weiss got shafted for the sake of Jaune. Poor girl. Looking back, Ruby's hallway scene with Jaune really is the end of Ruby's whole "leadership issues" arc, and that's a shame because if they had keep that going then it really could've helped Ruby's character a lot. But why bother with writing your "main" character when you can write for your _main_ character? Speaking of leadership, how it has been given in the show has been really dumb. As much as I like Ruby and her awesome plan against the Nevermore, that really doesn't show anything to imply that she could act like a leader. It really just feels that they were given the leadership position because of nepotism, and if Ozpin being incompetent was the point then that would've been fine, but it's not. I think it would've been better if leadership was able to be passed down by the leaders themselves, that way you can have Weiss realizing that Ruby is more skillful than she seems culminating in her passing down the leadership position to Ruby of her own accord.
@@travonarmstrong6093 I´ve heard Adam and Jaune´s characters have been suffering from Miles´s self-inserting himself in the plot, Jaune in his teenage years thing and Adam after he went through a real life break-up with Aryn.
*slowly reaches hand over to computer to yeet another draft of my story into oblivion* seriously though, I always learn two or more writing tips with these videos. You've just got a new subscriber. 😄
When the two teams reunited and everyone was hugging I was confused when Yang went to hug Ren. Since when are they that close? We've never seen an interation between them? And I'm fairly certain Ren is quite reserved. Heck, I can't remember Ren and Nora ever hugging.
@@glados4199 Yeah. Like his vids are fun listening to but when he says "anyone who hates bumblebee or criticizes the writing can fuck off" or "most of the fandom is toxic. Not me tho" just makes me just smh lol
Yeah exactly. Which is kind of funny because he promotes MisKat’s videos about respecting ships and being mature (which I agree), yet he does the exact opposite and encourages to talk trash to some who have legitimate issues with the ship. Can’t these people understand that you can like/dislike a ship and be fine with each other? It’s fine to be angry with a ship, it’s just an opinion lol
I think the reason why the characters can't interact with other characters besides their own ship destiny or some bullshit like that is because RWBY is PLAGUED with too many characters. They don't have enough time to animate all of the characters interacting with each other, so they have to go with the best bits by sacrificing other parts of the cake. I enjoy frosting okay, but without the cake itself I get sick of it really fast.
I disagree, there´s no such thing as a "too many characters" problem if you are good writter, you can easily get away with it, by having a good chunk of the characters be seasonals that dont show up in the next volumes, or taking out X main character from acting in a specific arc for a determined amount of time (HxH does this all the time) the problem with RWBY is that it keeps too many of the older characters and then doesnt know what to do with the new ones, it´s what fucked up the WF instead of introducing less characters but more powerful in the WF, like other generals like Adam, they went for cheap weaklings Adam could kill, effectively having introduced fodders and not actual characters. And since the screentime is always given to team RWBY it gives off the feeling of too many characters because too many plots and subplots are happening all at the same time, imagine just imagine how much screentime could´ve been saved and put to good use if Weiss tried to escape Atlas only to fail and be grounded there til Volume 7, it would´ve automatically given tons of opportunity to actually improve the writting of Vol. 5 and 6.
You know why they can't write organic friendship dialogue? its because CRWBY are having thier own shipping wars. Also thanks for pointing out how great i am at relationships but what i want is character development not love
I am all for ships like bumblebee, renora, and arkos but the fact that everyone is hooking up just because the fandom wants it to happen instead of gaining significant development, makes me hope bumblebee doesn't happen because lets face it... they really have no specific, thought out, well written conversations. rather its us, the fans, grasping to straws based on little glances or hand holding, and crwby just trying to satisfy the fan base, because its cute. I totally agree with twiins iink regarding the 5 year black sun build up and another youtuber called jelloapocalypse comments on this in his So this is basically rwby video. I really hope bumblebee gets much more development if they are going to throw away black sun just like that and if they do happen to get together not in the next volume, but hopefully in the future have an actual conversation and not just get together as soon as volume 7 begins like what happened with renora.
I honestly have no hope for bumblebee, I always thought it was a cute ship but never once considered it might be cannon throughout the show. Now they are basically a couple and everyone is losing their shit. Even Bumblebee shippers are either mad because it's obviously rushed pandering, or are in denial trying desperately to find reasons to explain why the ship even became canon. (edit: there were a few typos)
I'm glad there are Bee fans that do see the issues behind this subplot. Honestly at this point, I'm just waiting for the Vacuo arc to see where this train wreck leads to when they reintroduce Sun. Either they're going to shoe horn a new love interest for him and be like "see now everyone's happy" or they're gonna kill him off mid arc cause they don't know what to do with him. But killing off Sun Wukong would be the worst move on the writers, since 1) We'll know why they're doing it and its just gonna be pure cringe and 2) In the Journey to the West books Sun was described as having 3 times immortality. A large part of his character was literally not dying, part of fun was seeing how resilient he was. Not saying RWBY Sun has to be immortal, but killing off the character literally known for *NOT* dying would be atrocious
tbf they have slowly have started too they made Ruby actually feel like the main character in v6 and have started showing the whole racism towards the faunus
Yang and Blake really have no chemistry. They really shouldn't have put them together. Ruby and Weiss have more chemistry than they do. I honestly think it's pandering, and it's annoying that they focus on that instead of making a better story and better relationships.
Mr. Cynical I have to disagree, personally i think they do have chemistry. it’s been developed since volume 2 and it’s been shown time and time again that the both of them can work together smoothly but maybe that’s just my opinion.
@@gaymienne See, in my opinion, what you may see as chemisty, I see as a somewhat friendship happening. That's the closest thing I see it as. They don't have enough scenes with each other to show they care for one another in a non-platonic way. In my eyes, it feels like you have to grasp for straws just to show they have "something" before Volume 6. Then you have Sun, who she constantly blushes at, affectionately plays with, is seen with in every season he was introduced, and have even seen the parents off (just Blake's), but he gets shafted for a bigger ship. He even gets kissed before Yang does. Sorry for the wall. TL;DR, THEY'RE FOCUSING ON A SHIP THAT DIDN'T EVEN HAVE MUCH SCREEN TIME WITH EACH OTHER.
Thank you for bringing this to the forefront. This is probably the best argument against bumblebee because it’s something everyone can understand as bad writing
Oh no, we can't DARE criticize Bumblebee ever. The rabid shippers of the RWBY fandom will froth at the mouth and attack in droves calling you homophobic and a terrible person for saying the "build up" to Blake and Yang is anything less than pure perfection that is a paragon to all gay representation in any media ever. (I swear RWBY fandom shippers are some of the worst people I've ever had the displeasure of interacting with just because I wish Crwby would commit and be clear about ships rather than leave shit hollow and ambiguous to sell merch.)
The RWBY manga by Bunta Kinami built a better relationship between the team members than the show. Ruby and Blake actually talk to each other. Crazy, huh!?
@@twiinsiink heck, Bunta Kinami removed Cinder altogether from the beginning of the story. I wish the manga goes in its own direction like the 2003 FMA anime.
Finally someone talking about it! I always get witchunted when i say i like something like Blake and Sun despite all the setup,I thought i was the only one who saw it this way!
Damn how am I just now discovering your channel? I just marathoned all your vids. Keep up the good work. Would love to see you do a video on Dust and how little attention the writers pay attention to it. Like first of all we don't know what types of dust and combinations of dust exist until they're used for a specific purpose. And second we don't know the visual cues for which type is being used. For example; when the show started Wind dust was green. But when Mercury was introduced, they changed Wind dust to white and green to a combination of Fire and Wind (as stated in Ren's wiki entry since his bullets are green). It's another thing that keeps getting retconned every episode.
I was on team bumblebee since volume 2, then I switched to team Blake and Sun because season 5 really developed them. Then season 6 happened and I couldn't help but feel a little disappointed when they ended up pairing Blake with Yang almost out of nowhere. Hell, at one point I was even hoping that Freezerburn would be a thing some time down the road because of some of the really good interactions between Weiss and Yang where both of them sort of open up to one another.
@@twiinsiink Like, I sensed a good connection forming between Weiss and Yang when the cold hearted icy queen leapt into the arms of the trigger happy fire dragon for the first time and when they had half an episode dedicated to the two of them opening up about their respective family troubles and how it affected them personally. Yang hates her mother for abandoning them to live as some outlaw in the woods, and Weiss hates how her family, aside from her sister and butler, only see her as the heiress to the name, not as their child. They missed a great chance to expand on that, make Weiss Yang's go to person for when she needs to talk about family and vise versa and develop a strong bond between them. We hardly ever see Weiss and Yang interact outside of comedy segments that its hard to believe they are even friends.
I know there’s some issues with Oz in Rose Garden, but I really hope they don’t screw up the ship. Like you said, it seems healthy for them to not be attached to each other like glue. I would love to see Oscar and Ruby together in the future. They both seem like little balls of fun and cuteness. Gr8 vid as always. You’re notes make me realize how to better improve own my writing :DD
Setting aside romance for a second and focusing more on the character's general relationships with each other, I keep having to wonder - Why are Blake and Yang written as a pair, rather than Blake and Weiss? Think about it. Weiss in Yang's role is way more fulfilling to the narrative than Yang. They had a confrontation with strained acceptance at the end during the very first volume. That leading in to them becoming close friends in the second volume would make sense, but instead Yang took that position. Later on, in volume 3, Adam ends up going after Blake, and when Yang tries to stop him, he cuts off her arm. Think about how much more impactful it would be if it was Weiss in that situation instead. There you have the heir to the SDC, the same company which is branded on to Adam's face, trying to save Blake, so he loses it, lops off her arm, and says that he'll make Blake pay. In that circumstance his obsession and hatred for both of them would make WAY more sense, and when his face was finally revealed it would recontextualize why he was to crazy and desperate to stalk them. It would also be great for Weiss' character. Here she is, having left home to become a huntress, only to have to be collected back by her father because she was crippled when she tried to save her friend, who was a Faunus, who then abandoned her. All of that, plus the physical disability, would really weigh on her time back in Atlas, and explain why she didn't leave sooner, because she felt dependent on her father until she finally summoned her knight and felt capable of handling herself again. And like I said, having Weiss with Blake later on would add a huge amount of gravity to the final confrontation with Adam. The SDC and Faunus stories are so intimately tied together that it's completely mind-boggling that Weiss' presence as one of Blake's teammates/vice-versa was NEVER brought up for either of them by anyone, it's such an obvious and natural point of drama that it makes no sense that they never did anything with it. Adam never even mentioned that Blake was friends with a Schnee, did he even know? Increasingly, it feels like the entire series is nothing but wasted potential.
I started watching rwby mostly completely blind with the exception of a few videos about it, and thought that Blake and Sun had pretty good chemistry I find them cute, and thought it would be cool of they ended up together Then I found out Bumblebee is like, a thing(?) and I'm only in volume 5 but, it felt pretty out of nowhere for me. And I'd be lying if I said I had nothing against it, because I do. Where the hell did it even come from? From the brief little dance that went over into Blake and Sun spending the rest of the evening together? It's so underdeveloped and it just makes it seem so out of place for me. And let me be absolutely straight here, I could care less if it's gay or straight or whatever, if the execution feels unnatural, then it's a bad ship to me. I mean heck, at first it didn't even occur to me that they could have a thing for each other, like, ever. They were,, barely even friends or so it seemed.
Watching this after finishing volume 5 (no 6 yet) and had NO clue they showed any interest in each other from anything I've seen. Kept hearing/seeing "Bumblebee" mentioned and legit thought it was a fan ship.... Was hoping for Sun&Blake but whatever
Personally I always shipped bumblebee, but when they made it canon it not only made no sense and came out of nowhere, but also got rid of a lot of the chemistry they had just as characters, and for some reason they barely interact with the rest of their team now Should’ve just stuck to the whole team just being friends and nothing more
Nice to see your videos semi blowing up as of late, as usual I agree with most of your points except... Blake and Yang don't even look cute next to each other. Going back to your character design video Yang doesn't really look good next to anyone since there's barely any yellow. Blake looks good next to almost everyone but as far as team RWBY goes she looks best next to Weiss. Outside of just physical appearance they also don't jive well when it comes to their personalities. As far as the Ruby and Oscar thing goes everything about Oscar screams love interest. He's shorter than Ruby which isn't done often in media since girls don't usually go for guys shorter than them, he's so short because he needs to look young so shippers have no one to ship him with but Ruby. He has Oz in him, making it so that he's under magic related stress like Ruby with her silver eyes. He oneshots a headmaster after seeing Ruby get hurt then rushes to get her back up. His only interactions with anyone in volume 5 were with Ruby and Qrow. Every development we should've gotten for him in volume 4 and 6 were offscreen with only volume 6 giving him a new dynamic with Nora which is expected because Nora is Rawr Xd I'm so random with everyone. Hell the only time we've seen Oscar talk with Oz since volume 4 was at the end of volume 6. The writers are avoiding Oscar talking to Oz just like Ruby didn't ask about her silver eyes.
Pretty much agree with everything you said. I know it's subjective but I never understood how people could say that Blake and Yang look good together. Ruby, Blake and Weiss have/had colors on them that they shared with each other, so I could at least get if someone said that about say, Weiss and Blake or Ruby and Blake. I don't know why, but you pointing out that girls in media don't usually date guys that are shorter than them reminded me of Winry saying that in FMA. Now THAT was a show that balanced general character interactions and romance in the main cast well. Winry actually felt like her own character rather than just "Ed's love interest". In fact, I had never even considered giving her that label when watching the show, as I was too engrossed to give a simple label to a character and call it a day... Now if only RWBY could do that. Seriously, when was the last time that Ruby and Yang had anything plot related together that lasted more than one episode? Volume _One_ ?! Makes Yang feel more like Blake's side-bitch #4 if you ask me.
Again this is just me, but I still don't see Bumblebee official yet. I mean personally I took the whole holding hands was a way for them to show the two women uniting together as Adam hurt both of them physically, and psychologically. Maybe it's just me though.
I agree that the writing isn't the best in RWBY, I honestly recommend that they take a full year break to try and plan out the show to Vol 10 or something like that but RWBY is too much of a cash cow. With saying that the team did leave a lot of subtext in Vol 2 and 3. The thing is the show relied too much on subtext Vol 2 and 3. Because of the story all interesting character interaction is regulated to "it happened off screen". This is very apparent going from Vol 1 to 2. Entire weeks and months are skipped over. Important moments between the characters are off screen so that they can further the plot. This ended after Vol 3 and Vol 4 went incredibly slow and Vol 5 and 6 picked the pacing back up to a very reasonable pace. But it took them 6 Volumes to have a perfect pacing for RWBY. This is definitely a problem they should have ironed out pre-production of Vol 1. But rooster teeth is a small corporation with little to no direction. Idc how excited I am for Vol 7 and Bumbleby. They honestly have to have a plan because i have no idea where the story is going and that's hella bad by the 7th season of a tv series.
Literally EVERY problem in this show is caused and solved by love. The whole Ozpin vs Salem war started because she couldn’t accept that he was gone... and that lead her to madness and be evil. The motivation of Adam of M&K is her ex-girlfriend and nothing else... Blake and Yang defeat Adam without a real training scene and he even couldn’t punch Yang or Blake when in volume 3 he hit Blake twice and stab her in the stomach and he cut off Yang’s arm so easily. And everyone use every single moment of a character been close to the other to support the ship, if that’s the case Sun have more minutes in screen with Blake than Yang does... What happened to the natural moments and the chemical in the team? Ruby and Wisse have a lot of screen time together and the same with Blake and Yang, and Yang and Wisse have more screen time together than Ruby and Blake had, and if they are really a team why everyone solves their problems in pairs if this is a team of four? The whole team RWBY facing Adam in volume 6 could be one of the greatest moments in the show, Adam could mean something to Ruby, Wisse, Blake and Yang. To Blake: face the mistakes of the past and trust in friend and teammates. To Yang: not be fear and not face your fear alone when you have your friend near you to help you To Wisse: meet face to face the horrible action of her father and what he do to the Faunus and understand why all the attacks to the SDC. And for Ruby: face the man who broke the spirit of her sister and in some way the opposite of her. Adam had a lot of potential for the show, moral and for development for our heroes, but in the end, all reduce to kill the bad guy to win...
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on these pairings in RWBY. They are insightful and you ask some good questions. There is so much more potential for developing various friendships, like Ruby and Weiss as friends.
I'm gonna be honest, I was kinda biased against this video when RUclips recommended it to me multiple times. But after watching it, I can say I agree with pretty much every point you made. Blacksun got years of hinting only for them to switch fullspeed to Bumbleby. Where was the talk? When has Yang taken an interest in faunus rights? When has Blake taken an interest in Yang's issues with her mom? The only issue they both care about is the one that impacts them both: Adam. You pretty much hit the nail on the head, too. As much as I love Renora and Arkos, Renora is two half-characters forming one full character. And Arkos is like Cloud and Aerith, or Noctis and Luna but without the buildup. Jaune only really seems to realize his feelings for Pyrrha when she's literally kissing him. Yet we spend both V4 and V6 with "Jaune is sad about Pyrrha" scenes which take away from Ruby and Oscar's potential development. Overall, really good video. Nice work!
every time someone says RWBY tries to do romance i laugh. this show can't even get platonic relationships right. leave the romance to the fans they can do it better. i don't what it is, it physically hurts me when i see what is suppose to be a romantic moment. all i can think is where did this come from? how did we get here? and why? stop prioritizing shipping over the plot. you know what i wish, i wish the show i would made fun of romance instead of entertaining it.
Nah. Rose garden is just like ruby and jhone at the beginning, rwby is the inspiration and Oscar is the rookie that has lot to learn, so is natural that rwby support and interact with him, and believe me, 14 years boy, with confidence problems, and not a lot of social interaction, whatever compliment recibe wold make them fluster and nervous. They should just forget the shipping for a season and focus on the story as something worth showing no just a re-rune in Tv. :|
Unpopular opinion but i think Pyrrhas crush on Jaune was incredibly stupid Miles expects me to believe Jaune was the only one who treated her normally its so ridiculous lol.
It’s made even worse by the fact we don’t see anyone treat her any different, the only one who did was Weiss who can be immediately be disregarded because she was still acting like a snooty brat.
There are some implied jaune and pyrah moments. It is siad in the volumes jaune and pyrah train every day. Pyrah was shown to be jaune support as an example when jaune tells pyrah that his family, which are warriors and heroes, do not belive in him. Yet purah dose. All of that is in the volume.
like everything you said except the Ruby and Oscar pair I don't want them to be together I'm not really into the fandom and shipping ppl w/ other ppl but Ruby and Oscar isn't something I want to see. I personally wouldn't want Ruby to fall in love w/ anyone
@@crab5862 who said I will cry if blacksun does not happen? I'm not THAT kind of a fan girl. I'm just saying this to you because you think I'm a toxic shipper and to tell you I am not. I do not ship BMBLB and I don't care for it. If you ship it BE MY GUEST! because I really don't care what you ship. It does not concern me. I'm just upset that some angry TOXIC BMBLB shippers always say "blacksun is forced" when you like a ship you're devoted to you it and when someone says something bad, you get upset about it. That's why I made this comment.
bumblebee is something ive never understood why the fandom wants it to be canon so bad... im all here for canon wlw but it feels like it came out of nowhere?? and im just like why these two in particular (and why not the superior RUBY/WEISS)
I strongly agree with you, and this was one of the things I was annoyed with the ships. Like jaune's was so affected like Pyrrha and jaune have been dating for a year or two. Blake and yang became close without even talking about their feeling to each other. Sun and Blake were together majority of the volume, especially 4 and 5. I even realize what you pointed out about Ren and Nora which I didn't notice. Winter and Qrow is the same, they only chat for one episode and gave some little hints that they might have a past together and suddenly people are a die fan of Snowbird. They didn't even interact after that, and a ship was born. I like the ships they have but its all too confusing. I hope they do better with rose garden, if it happens.
I'm still hoping that Freezerburn is gonna snake the win. Not a Freezerburn fan, but considering the moments Weiss and Yang had in volume 5 its a least something, where Bumblebee (at least in a narrative sense) just came right the fuck out of no where. Ruby will probably end up with Oscar or Jaune (possibly Weiss, but who knows) and *HOPEFULLY* volume 7 is more Weiss development that Yang helps with given Yang is shown to be more maternal and can facilitate Weiss's lack of a family and it would be a nice parallel since Weiss and Yang were both there for each other in volume 5 and that Blake and Yang decide they're better off as friends. Since there's still kind of a lot of baggage between them, Blake literally just killed someone she once loved so it be weird if she jumped into another relationship right after that, and the two honestly have every reason to stay friends given how little they've interacted But IDK anymore, at this point I feel like its the Superbowl and you have Bumblebee and the underdog nobody expects to win, Freezerburn, and I'm just rooting for *ANYTHING* besides Bumblebee. Cause the writers honestly did nothing right when writing for this. Bumblebee is just broken from the ground up and you stop Blacksun dead in its tracks when that subplot *HAD* development, *HAD* chemistry, *HAD* time, but they dragged it out for over 5 volumes and said "okay, now we're doing Bumblebee"
wlfmanjack Oh I’m definitely looking forward to some casual Freezerburn and Monochrome moments. Yang will protect and Blake has experience in an abusive relationship so she should be able to quickly read Weiss’ body langue
Just want to mention the editing in your videos is excellent. Nothing fancy, no shitty Tumblr gifs. Just relevant footage from the show and on point annotations.
@@twiinsiink also the thumbnail art is kawaii af and not clickbaity, which is very rare nowadays. Looking forward to your thoughts on the last few chapters of volume 6. (especially the """epic""" mech fight) Keep up the great work! :)
blake and yang are cute together, sure. but i don’t like it because i think it throws off the TEAM dynamic. i’d rather they had put blake with sun or even ilia.
"There isn't a princess to save."
Salem glares from her lair.
It's this BEFORE or AFTER Vol. 6 Chapter 3?
Ozpin: Oscar, you're gonna have to do me a solid.
Oscar: *shudders*
so you are an EG fan...
dota 2 or other Esports?
@@Stivonim Yeah EG Dota2 and Rainbow 6.
Twiins iinks: "There isn't a princess to save."
Salem: *_"Am I a joke to you?"_*
Weirdly enough, the characters' relationships are much better in the meme-laden, RWBY Not! that is Chibi. Ren isn't just "Nora's boy", he's a dance enthusiast and good friend of Sun and Neptune; and Nora isn't just "Ren's meme girl", she is "wise meme girl and workout instructor".
What a shame I found RWBY Chibi so cringy and not funny that I dropped it 13 episodes into it's first season.
@@twiinsiink Yeah, they vary from "genuinely high quality comedy" and "RWBY CHIBI IS RECORDED WITH A LIVE AUDIENCE ON STUDIO". The one is an actual episode, and it's the worst.
Teenage Female Ninja Faunus is amazing though.
@@vicentetemes5793ahem *teenage faunus ninja catgirl
@@twiinsiink I dropped the episode before. If only the art style wasn't so vomit indulcing.
@@kinorris1709 Yeah, that. RUclips has decided to show me all videos with their spanish community translation, no matter how crappy it is, so I mistake them.
Well, at least at the start it felt like a bunch of teenage crushes and etc. It may be sudden but it felt like the relationships could go either way.
Now it’s like they are suddenly soulmates.
In defense of Jaune and Pyrrha, I don't think Jaune is angry because he was in love with Pyrrha. I believe he's angry because he just lost his best friend/teacher. Pyrrha is the first person to believe in Jaune and take the time to help him get better. He has a closer relationship with her than any other character and this relationship is entirely platonic on Jaune's part for at least 2 1/2 volumes, maybe even more.
We never even get solid proof that Jaune ever fell in love with Pyrrha and I personally never got that vibe from Jaune. He never laments over loving her even after their kiss. I think Jaune had a very natural reaction to losing Pyrrha. She's basically his best friend and if my best friend was about to die there is a very real possibility that I would lose it as Jaune did when calling Ruby. Likewise it would also be difficult for them to move on because not only Pyrrha was more the just a best friend, she was also Jaune's mentor.
So overall I don't think Jaune is so upset because he loved her. To the contrary, I think his reaction was very normal reaction to losing a dear friends and teacher. His pain is not from tragic romance but rather from tragic friendship. With all the recent shipping nonsense RWBY has been experience lately, I much prefer the tragic friendship option. It makes be happy to know that we can all care about out fellow man to extremely high degrees without being romantic. The power of our friendship is mighty force indeed!
I agree with this. One of the things I like although I'm not sure if I should give them credit because they have a roundabout way of approaching romance, is that we the audience don't get romanctic closure on Jaune feelings because it doesn't matter. She's gone, so answering the what if questions is meaningless. It also makes the relationship more important because he isn't sad about what they couldve been but sad that she is gone. If we got a concrete answer about Jaune feelings it would feel way worse.
Hey why not both? You can get two tragedies for the price of one.
Clearly Jaune was broken up over her death but I'd like to think he'd started developing feelings for his best friend. And then she was gone. Now he never gets the answers to the "what if" that probably plagues him.
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I thought jhon was mad that wise was like "are you ok" and jhon said "YES HELP HER" "ok but are you ok"
He did not want them to worry about him he wanted them to help her and was mad she did that to him and feels responsible for her death even tho is was not his fault
Hmm, at the beacon dance, it seemed like there were feelings
Though I do agree with you, an inspirational person he saw on cereal boxes he is confirmed to have collected, island is the great hero he aspired to be treats him as an equal and trains him to be a leader, becoming one of his main friends at Beacon
The person who built him up and made him what he dreamt of being, and they were ripped out of his grip
@@CrimsonColbat adding here, I also think maybe his anger was never realizing how she felt about him. He was always pining after Weiss so he completely missed a wonderful girl who helped him through so much standing in front of him with feelings towards him and he's angry and upset that he was so dense he didn't see it, or at least that's how I saw the scene
Ren and Nora are dating? Huh… I legitimately didn’t notice until you pointed it out. Not even being sarcastic right now.
BiscutTheGreat yeah they are in V6 I think episode 10 Nora says "don't mess with my man"
I know how you feel. Watched the entirety of volume 6 without realising until I saw people in the fandom pointing it out. I just assumed everything relationship-ish were just jokes about how Nora was way too clingy. They're relationship changes so little and they are so unimportant to the plot that it just never crossed my mind.
Now imagine this: instead of going to oscar, Ozpin goes to Ren. Boom. Ren is actually important, Nora becomes important because she has to deal with it and we have one less character to deal with.
@@boomaggeddon937 well, now that i think about it, ozpin does seem to have more in common with ren than he does with oscar...
Tbh they have a weird relationship. I kinda assumed right from season 1 that they were already basically a couple, just never made it official or anything, however now they are actually dating yet nothing much has changed.
Wow they’re dating I didn’t know either
I prefer Team RWBY as sisters rather than dating within their own team
That is what they were supposed to be before RT fucked it up for the FANatics
ninja ._. vanish that's what Monty said during V2 but now that he's dead and everyone is saying Monty wouldn't have wanted this or that but the bumblebee baiting I don't really think he would've done that
ninja ._. vanish i'm just saying would you get angry if bumblebee becomes canon?
@@generalbiscuits2490 i wouldn't really care. They are kinda cute i guess but I care more about Salem's story than shipping
ninja ._. vanish I agree, I care about more of the story than romantic or friendships whatever. but don't give me wrong I am a hard-core Bumbleby shipper
My problem with Bumblebee is that it is incredibly hollow due to the lack of interaction. As a Gay person, it is annoying to be called Homophobic because of my frustration with this poorly executed couple.
I don't think the idea is awful -- if done right. But the reality is, it wasn't. It was flat.
At this point, I would have preferred if Blake was with Sun just because there was Chemistry.
Blake and Yang have absolutely no chemistry as well. There was so few scenes together with them, some are technically one continuous scene that is split to swap perspective... And there is still nothing.
I hardly buy them as friends, but now the show wants me to buy them as lovers? I just don't buy it. It also insults the people who do pay attention and do want the execution to be good.
I'm sorry, but that pairing just isn't good as it is.
I find it interesting how different opinions are on whether bumblebee is flat among the queer community. Because some say it's a wonderfully set up example of representation done right and then some say it's flat. I'm on the prior camp.
@@wendysfreshneverfrozen1853 My biggest gripe can stem from the fact they have no chemistry and hardly seem to be friends.
But, the show seems to want it to be the couple. If they seemed to have a friendship, one that does not just... feel stitched together, or tacked on. I might believe it if it had good characterization. But the Problem is, Blake's character is consistently inconsistent. Yet, her sense of character... Still feels almost non-existent still. But you still people faun over her.
If they had chemistry with a stabilizing friendship, it would work as a byproduct of it. But their friendship should not be a byproduct of a lack of chemistry.
But I must confess, you use of the word "Prior" confuses me in the way you phrased it. Did you mean as "The Former." As in the first being. "I think it's wonderful." ? Or the Latter "The last option." ?
That is where my confusion stems from in your post. Granted, I am dealing with a flu right now. So it might be impairing my normal... sense of thought.
@@CosmicChris see but for a lot of people they had that. Because yang flirted with Blake A LOT, well in comparison. From a writing perspective what they did with Bumbleby works. All of their scenes were tied to another romantic pair. Most yang and Blake centric or simply scenes with cute moments between them were attached to arkos or renora scenes. What I don't get is how you can say they weren't friends. Out of team RWBY Yang gets Blake to smile ALL the time and even back at beacon yang was her main friend beside sun. Who honestly had such a shallow crush on Blake its not even funny
@@wendysfreshneverfrozen1853
Why can I say and stand by they don't feel like friends? You can blame the awful script and dialog for one. But if I need to give a bullet by bullet breakdown, fine, I'll do just that.
- For starters, there are way too many characters for most people to genuinely care about. And I mean *genuinely*. I'm not talking about. "Oh, I like this person."
I'm talking about -- do they honestly evoke feelings for me as the audience member?
Simple answer for me -- this is a me thing in this instance, but I'll stand by it. But no.
When I got into the Series back when Monty just died -- didn't know about his Death till after Volume 2. By that. "By time I watched it." And this was before Volume 3 officially debuted.
I watched all the Trailers, and got into the fighting styles and... for all intensive purposes the story -- I never treated RWBY as anything special, just something that was fun. Something fun does not need to be transient in quality or even writing standards that one may or may not have at the time. I think the fact it was so indie at the time is why I tried to be somewhat empathetic to it's writing problems -- but it does not erase the fact it is indeed problems.
I didn't care about Jaune's Arc, I definitely didn't buy the Racism as someone who has been a victim of it growing up. It is hard to Empathize with something that has shallow weight in a show that can't portray it well. I didn't excuse it when I thought the original visionary was alive, and I sure as shit am not about to excuse it just because two other people are steering the ship now.
But RWBY to me was just... Stylish and fun. The characters to me never were these amazingly well done Archetypes. It just feels like a world of Super Heroes with Anime Tropes that don't appeal to me.
I didn't care for how long they were at the Academy. I didn't care about the manufactured, and forced feeling mellow drama either. But I'm not going to bash or try to insult people for what they like. They very much are entitled to love what they do, and I've no right to tell them otherwise.
That being said, I can still say I loved the parts that were fun to me. And the Fun was the Dead or Alive inspired fight scenes.
Which brings me to the next point.
- I love Dead or Alive because of it's mechanics, it backdrops and how you can dynamically fight with your opponent in those spaces.
RWBY's fight really nailed that feeling. It doubled down on the style and never toned it down in the first two volumes. No one can really deny that. Everything was fun, energetic, and busy in the best of ways. It was exciting. The character expressions in the fights themselves fit their postures and how they fight. And that was just awesome to not just look at -- but ironically give a slight feeling of empathy, because their gestures and body language sync up there to what is happening.
I never cared so much about the romance that much; the dialog was never something to write home about and celebrate. It was just A to B, nothing really too deep to dissect. But there was one scene I really liked.
- Yang.
Yang was a character I absolutely loved because of Volume 2. She wasn't just Ruby's sister, but her Best friend and Maternal Figure. As we know, Summer wasn't really around long enough for anything really to where she could raise her daughter.
Which meant that Yang was selfless enough to give her Sister the love that she needed and to try to somewhat be a guiding character. I thought this was pretty deep as someone who had to be there for my little brother when our parents had to always work. It was relatable, it was human.
As was her talk with Blake there. But the problem stems there too.
We barely see her talk with anyone on her team, and this extends to every character too.
They have moments where I go. "I buy JNPR as friends. But not really RWBY as friends among themselves." But that is because of presentation.
If I don't buy them as friends most of the time -- or see any meaningful dialog. Then I just see them more of co-workers more than I do friends.
Like, I can sorta see Ruby and Weiss as Friends, and Weiss as a friend to Blake.
But Blake's bulk of scenes were never with her team. In fact, she was mostly with the best written character in the show most of the time whenever she was a focus.
- Sun had the adventures that Yang should have had with Blake.
This isn't me with shipping -- but if we are to believe Blake has friends, I see her just having Sun at current. They have the most chemistry out of everyone Blake interacts with. And Yeah. Sun is dorky and they both make each other smile too. Just human interaction.
Yeah, she smacks the shit out of him in Volume 4 -- but she was kind of a bitch, and most of it was deflected because the VA of Blake was like "SHE IS ABUSED. A VICTIM." Bitch, I was a Victim. It does not excuse being an asshole to everyone. Everyone has problems, solution should never be to lash out on others. It's uncivil.
But my ultimate point is, Sun feels like the only real organic friendship she has. It does not feel "Implied", no friendship should ever feel "Implied" in a show. It's either real, or it isn't.
And it's because of Volume 4 and 5 of her flip flopping... That also brings Blake down for be. Sun obviously likes her, and she spends the most time with each other, they give each other looks too.
Illya just... Likes her because she just does -- fine. But her defecting because fondness of someone just seems shallow and like "My sexuality is way more important than the ideas I am fighting for." Yeah, I really have a problem with that character as a gay person too. My sexuality should never get in the way of my ideas and vise versa. It's just both... unrealistic and jarring.
Adam was just... a butchered character. We see one thing in the Black Trailer, we hear about him in Volume 2 as a mentor... and then Retconned into obsession-- this is me just being annoyed with a change that didn't help the character...
Yang, I could see her as a friend to Blake -- but Volume 4 and 5 shows her stress and anger about feeling abandoned by her friend.
- Abandonment.
Yang's thing pretty much deals with Abandonment. She never tries to even empathize with her mother or try to understand anyone else.
She dismisses her mother pretty much outright for example and doesn't even try to understand that it isn't just a difference of perspective. But that maybe Raven is doing what she can to help her people. So not fully selfish. Even though she has no problems betraying or Backstabbing the Villains that would try to use her. Raven isn't the most vile thing, she just does what she needs to so she can get by with her way of life and of course her culture by extension.
She never tries to Harm Yang either. So clearly she also wants what she perceives best of her daughter. But again, Yang is dismissive of her and whatever knowledge she may have.
When she does learn the layered truth, she never really rectifies or amends what she feels about her mother either. Granted, she isn't exactly right there for her to talk with.
She never tries to Empathize with Ozpin either; justifiable, he actually is the one that lied to everyone.
Hell, even when Blake was with her on the Train. We never really see them try to talk about the *"issue."* Most of the dialog between them in Volume 6 felt more like grumbles than actual conversations because they went nowhere.
And after the Adam fight, and Blake crying, the hand holding ... That does not feel like a romance; that feels like Yang just got *her* friend back. Not "Muh Girl friend." I'm not even against the fact RWBY has gay characters. I just wish they were well presented. Like if they had better pacing and just took an episode or two of them just... talking about *that* with each other, I could see it working. But we don't really have that.
And the reason these feel flat, is because these characters kinda feel flat too because of everything we seen. And the shaky dialog doesn't help either.
I don't totally hate this show... But I can say my appreciation of it has drastically been waning since Volume 3. It became more of something less suited for my taste, but ya know? That's okay.
Not everything is going to be geared to what I like, and I rather not waste my energy on being negative about it. These are just my honest thoughts too.
If people love the show, the shipping... More power for them -- but I don't feel the shipping is earned.
Its interesting that even Gay people don't care for how Bumblebee was presented. Honestly it seems Bumblebee only works in headcanon and memes and not what was presented in canon, because "OMG Yang said how about a cute little horsey, that proves they have a romantic bond stronger than anything." Yet I guess Miles and Kerry thought that was good enough and went in full force, because fuck it, it's a gay romance and a gay romance is automatically well written and automatically beautiful and automatically better than a straight romance.
Honestly I wouldn't have the same issues if Freezerburn or Whiterose became canon. I mean I'm mostly indifferent to both, but at least neither of them would feel hamfisted or at least not as ham fisted than bumblebee. I feel sorry for new fans who pick this show up a decade after it ends and wondering what the hell is any of this going on and not have the fandom hype to tell them why these events are happening
"Now I just have to hope that they don't have Oscar fall in love with a different character"
*pans over to Qrow*
*sirens in the distance*
Brycen Lanager lmao
*knock knock knock*
FBI OPEN UP-
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Caught me off guard 😭
That awkward moment when the character with abandonment issues gets paired up with a character with a bad habit of abandoning people...
That’s natural disaster waiting to happen.
Yang and Blake staying close to each other during a fight scene
OH THEY FUAKIN'!
Krzysztof Medecki finally someone with some sense
Rwby should take a hiatus to focus on the writing
RWBY should be Reset, a dude gonna speak the truth, current RWBY isnt gonna be fixed with hiatuses, it swifted too much from monty´s vision and the admission of the fact is trash must come from the writters themselves in order to have a chance at being fixed, they need to get in line with monty´s vision as well.
@@sebas8225 RWBY needs a reboot.
Sebas G I agree, RWBY went from Monty’s view of a well built fun filled story to
“I need the ships to happen NOW so I’m gonna ignore half the story”
@@nobodiesworld4664 Yep.
@James Schulte V1-V3 aren't perfect, either. Still better than V4-V7.
Eh, I'm with you on the rest, but past the "kiss", Pyrrha was still his teammate of 6 months, closest confidant and best friend. He finds out she was harboring feelings for him and then she immediately *dies* a terrible, terrible death. I can see it traumatizing him. That's why he freaks the fuck out- his best friend and teammate (who he's responsible for as team leader) sends him away and runs off to die, I really don't see how him having a meltdown is OOC at all.
Fair point.
I see one of two possibilities for Bumblebee as it's been executed in the show. Either they did it spontaneously because fans kept crying about it, or it really was planned from the beginning. And if it was planned from the beginning, it has to be the most poorly done, terrible, laziest planning and execution of a story arc I've ever seen. If this is the result of 6 years of planning, then I have zero hope for RWBY as a show to ever be good again.
It's most likely the former. Either that, or they just gave up on wanting the show to be good.
I think Blake was mostly trying too hard to get on Yang's good side in V6 more than trying to get in a relationship, due to still feeling guilty about Yang losing her arm and then Blake abandonning her. She is kinda in the same position as Jaune was regarding, so we'll have to wait for next volumes to see what's up.
But yeah, I think it's a problem when the only people Blake interacts on a regular basis with just happen to be in love with her, or are her parents. Adam, Ila, Sun, Yang...
Maybe they're trying to make a parallel between the two redheads and the two blondes, that she is too busy falling for a boy to notice a girl's feelings. In that case it wouldn't make her relationship with Sun pointless, but yeah it is frustrating.
@@BabyGirlTiny This is the problem with unhealthy ships, the audience will catch on and expose the BS, it´s similar to the audience not liking shitty life lessons with a negative message, like the nepotism in MHA, life lessons and shipping must be executed properly and be healthy or the audience has no reason to accept what is presented at them, most of the Bumblebeehaters are a consequence of poorly presentation of the ship as canon in adition to a poor execution which even makes it worst because as you said Sun was already introduced before Yang x Blake moments even started getting in and we can tie those moments to friendship for the most part.
Thing is there's pretty much no indication of that whenever Yang takes the main focus.
In Pyhra's case we saw clearly that she had a crush on Jaune from the start. Probably at least 70% of her screentime is dedicated to establishing this and her dealing with it. Yang meanwhile shows no real sign of that. As Twiins pointed out, none of her interactions with Blake would seem out of character in a platonic relationship.
If I remember right this covers basically all of their personal interactions up to Vol 5-6:
-She gets upset when Blake goes after the White Fang, but so does the rest of the team.
-She has one dance with her, but there's zero focus on it and Sun is Blake's date.
-She gets angry when Adam attacks Blake, but do you really think she'd react any differently if it was Weiss or Ruby?
-Finally she spends an arc being genuinely angry with Blake for going back on her word and abandoning the team.
Not exactly what I'd call parallel...
@@sm901ftw To me the moment that made me look at Bumblebee as a an actual possibility was when in V5 Yang told Weiss she was angry Black wasn't there, rather than her having left. Though I hated that scene for many reasons, one of them turning Yang's legitimate ire into "we'll have to help Blake when she comes back". Like, girls, really?
As a side-note, I would have much prefered if it had been a three-way conversation between Yang, Ruby and Weiss, with Yang being obviously mad at Blake and not wanting her back, Ruby being more forgiving and assuming the best of Blake and so wanting her back, and Weiss being in the middle and telling them to wait for Blake to explain herself.
Also, the soundtrack is really pushing for Bumblebee, with V4 having BMBLB as a bonus track, and All That Matters being Yang being glad Blake got back but not believing she could trust her fully ever again (sadly, it didn't really had any bearing on Yang's issue with Blake in V6, since she was more bothered with Blake coddling her, and I didn't really liked that the song played when the team's fully reunited was just another shipping song). Ruby's knowing look at Yang might be an indication that she knows what's going on, which could be also why she was so surprised Yang was opposed with the idea of Blake rejoining the group in V5C8.
So I'm fine with Yang having a more than platonic interest in Blake. What's bothering me is that we didn't really see when she developped it or why (as you say before V5 there wasn't really any romantic undertones between them). But for Blake, we've go even less, so I don't really feel like she's interested that way as for now. like I said her attitude toward Yang being easily explained by her feeling shitty for causing her to lose an arm and then running away. But of course, that can change depending on how they tell the story going forward.
BBut yeah, Bumblebee shippers yelling "it's canon!" (it's not, at least yet) at the top of their lungs isn't really helping.
@@MrRemicas so they turned Yang’s legitimate anger at her friend and partner running off into her whining that the super special cat waifu wasn’t there?
Problem with the chemistry in RWBY is they don't know how to write healthy relationships. And they really hate mixing the chemistry up.
Noob Artist600 the writers probably dont have experience with healthy relationships lol
@@jakewulgar Oof, that's a can of worms I'm not whiling to open, but I think that's very likely to be true.
The problem is that they don't know how to write at all.
@Agt.BADASS Well, you see, when the show started, Miles was dating Blake's VA Arryn, but they broke up some time after. Coincidentally, the Adam psycho ex-boyfriend plot was introduced into the show.
+Agt.BADASS it’s not confirmed but it’s likely the reason as to why Adam changed so drastically because in the same fucking volume Adam literally could not give a single shit about Blake and he’s been hinted to only be a mentor before the Volume 3 finale
I think that’s why I was disappointed that Bmblbee is canon, since RWBY is back together, I was hoping we would see more interactions between Blake and Weiss and Ruby. Now that’s kinda gone out the window because the writers are more likely going to focus on the romantic relationship between yang and Blake in the next volume. And yes I do wish BlackSun(BlakexSun) was canon. Not because I’m against LGBT+ representation,(I’m Bi)but BlackSun had at least 3 volumes of setup with Blake and sun having many intimate scenes of them alone. I wouldn’t have a problem with Blake and Yang getting together, they just needed to build up sooner so it can feel more natural.
But I hope I’m wrong, I hope that in the next volume, we get to see the team form stronger bonds with one another and get more one on one interactions.
Blake and Sun literally interacted in every volume so far. I'm not even kidding.
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Ever since he was introduced, Sun rarely gets seen without Blake, which frustrates me because Yang has only recently been seen constantly with Blake, and they're supposed to be PARTNERS!
So wait....wheres the confirmation that Bumblebee is canon?
Hey Arnold probably by the voice actresses because they want it to be canon too 🙄 gawd they annoy me
@-Goddess Of Flash- sun the childhood friend vs yang the new student.
This show's shipping concern is starting to be another Voltron situation.
Especially given how on high alert the Bee-defenders have gotten since the last few days, curbing and silencing the voice of just about anyone who got a problem with Bumblebee. There's no room for sporadic line drawn here.
Oh don't pull the "Silencing" card
@023 Studios If you've been called all that for not supporting bumblebee that's bad. But that dosent mean all Bumblby shippers are like that.
And as for your point on Monty please go to 49:19 . m.ruclips.net/video/ykADdGwqwpU/видео.html.
Oh, and How about don't accuse People of disrespecting there dead best friends memory.
Yes. I totally agree what you said!
@@brianbrush5107 he didn't really accuse anyone of disrespecting their best friend, he justpointed out that team RWBY was supposed to be a sisterhood.
In defence of Voltron they were blackmailed
And this is why I don't really have a favorite ship out of them all. While I may enjoy a story or two from fans, there is a small problem. What is it?
THE STORIES WERE BY FANS.
They can make a story somehow believable with some love in it and do it great. The writers for the actual product do teasing, but no growth, very little in the way of platonic relationships with others, and so much stuff are just forced. I will not take the love and relationships seriously without a good reason.
And ship teasing is one of the worst ways to make a riot happen if fans don't want it. Or want it, whatever the hell is the audience.
You know it's sad when it's the fans that make more fleshed out stories than the actual show writers
I actually like Rose Garden. Before Oscar came along I never really imagined Ruby being able to fall in love or have romantic feelings for anyone. But Oscar is a good match for her as they're both nice and make a wholesome couple with some awkward but cute interactions, a bit like Deku and Uraraka.
Now we just have to get past the hurdles of 1) Oscar only getting his character development offscreen, and 2) sharing a soul with a millennia-old wizard inhabiting his body, though if played right, it could make good setup for a nice tragedy, if they fall in love with each other yet Ruby knows that Oscar's mind is slowly slipping away to Ozpin, but is loyal to him anyway.
Switchback I totally agree. Literally ALL of their interactions are adorbs. I’m a multi shipper with everyone but Ruby, before Oscar came along I didn’t think Ruby belonged with anyone! I’m confident we will get over these hurdles in time and I can’t wait
Me: *Listens*
Me: Hmhm... yep...oh, yes I 100% agree with all of it.
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Me: Hmhm... yep...oh, yes I 100% agree with all of it.
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1. Oscar is technically a child
2. He’s her teacher
3. He’s really old
@@legoroan9866
The age things kind of cancel each other out.
*This is a joke*
Something I learned from analyzing RWBY is that it's very important to establish why relationships, romance or not, are important to the characters themselves. Or to put it more simply, why do they like being with each other? Can I explain why these 2 characters are together? Not even in a romantic sense. I've never really thought too much about it until this show.
With Ren and Nora, they were introduced together as a pair and you understand that they've been friends for a long time. Then when we get Ren's backstory we learn that they were both orphaned as kids. That coupled with Nora's line of how they "have no home left to go to" from Volume 3, we get the impression that they really only had each other to rely on. So Ren and Nora having a strong bond with each other in general makes sense.
For Jaune and Pyrrha it's pretty much told to us why they mean a lot to each other. In Volume 2, Pyrrha tells Jaune how he's the only person to see her just as another person, not as some celebrity. And because of that Pyrrha was able to make true friendships, even if it's not really shown I'll admit. But say if Pyrrha were to be paired with Weiss, who only wanted Pyrrha because she's smart and thought together they'd be super popular, I think it's safe to assume Pyrrha would probably have had a more difficult time making friends. In Volume 3, Jaune states that Pyrrha was one of the only people to ever believe in him becoming a huntsman, saying how even his family doubted him. Pyrrha also trains Jaune to reach the potential she sees in him. You can tell that they genuinely care and wants the best for each other.
Even with Blacksun, you could tell that at first Sun just liked Blake because she was a cool attractive Faunus girl, but as the series progress you could tell that he genuinely cares for Blake and wants to help her out. Sun literally thought Blake was going to take on the White Fang by herself in Volume 4 and thought she'd need some help. Then when the 2 actually had to deal with the White Fang in Menagerie, Sun moved all his focus on helping out instead of crushing on Blake. Only when they had some downtime did the 2 have these kinda flirty moments in Volumes 4 and 5. And his line "It was never about that", to me, didn't mean Sun no longer has feelings for Blake, but meant that he really just wanted to help her out with her problems and let her reconnect with her team. Sun has Blake's best interests in mind and isn't actively pursuing a relationship with her at every moment.
For Blake's other relationships we don't really understand why they matter besides, "I knew this person at some point". Blake and Ilia were friends, which isn't so bad, they were both in the White Fang so I guess I can see them having a friendship. But then you reveal that Ilia is in love with Blake. And you give me no reason why.
Same with Adam, first he was introduced as Blake's mentor. Okay, makes sense. From the Black trailer, he was in charge and directed Blake during their mission, and was shown to be pretty powerful in comparison to her. Blake says that the White Fang and Adam grew more violent and extreme for the cause, and it's the reason she left the White Fang. Makes sense, Adam didn't care for the crew members on the train they were on while Blake did. It was because of their ideals that Blake left since she thought equality between Faunus and Humans could be obtained through more peaceful ways. Then later, we find out that not only was Adam was in love with Blake, but also apparently they WERE dating. And Adam also apparently abused Blake during that time too. And he's also super obsessed with her. And now I have a lot more questions that need answers to because their relationship is a lot different than what was initially presented.
Blake and Yang...well this video pretty sums up my thoughts.
Sure, I could probably make up some reasons why Blake X Ilia/Adam/Yang makes sense and why they care so much about each other besides "They're my partner/friend", but that'd be speculation and headcanon at that point. And that stuff is a big no-no in this series since it apparently ruins our expectations for a character, according to some responses regarding a dead Taurus.
Not even gonna touch the whole Adam and Blake's relationship because Adam is probably the most inconsistent and mishandled character in the series, but(NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE) I thought it was kinda obvious why Ilia liked Blake.
Ilia lost her parents thus in a situation where you have no family, it makes sense that you'd grow more attached to your friends and considering her and Blake spent an unknown amount of time together(although we could probably speculate years) it would make sense for Ilia to get attached to Blake as the only positive relationship she had.
Maybe Ilia had other friends, but they kinda made it sound like it was mostly just her Adam and Ilia. I mean even if Ilia was straight and didn't have romantic feelings for Blake, I still think it makes perfect sense why she'd grow attached to her and why she was crushed when Blake ran away.
@@wlfmanjack I get what you're saying, it does make sense to an extent. I think my issue stems more from the lack of an insiders look of the White Fang as a whole. There are really only 4 White Fang members we actually know being Blake, Adam, Ilia, and Sienna Khan. But in reality there were probably plenty of other Faunus that have gone through similar tragedy like Ilia and such. And it doesn't help that Blake has like 3 other love interests besides Ilia, further prompting the question of why she's so special.
But honestly I'm probably just complaining about semantics when it comes to Ilia. It's more of an issue I have with the writing of the White Fang and the Faunus discrimination plot than her, I guess.
@@dlo397 Naw I get that, truth be told Ilia is my favorite character since the volume 5 trailer, but yeah even I acknowledge she's kind of a pointless character.
I mean with all the craziness surrounding Blake with Adam, Sun, and apparently Yang what was the point of giving a fourth romance interest?
At first I thought it was to show Blake, she hurt someone she didn't have feelings for which would have perfectly set up her sitting down with either Sun or Yang and say something along the lines of "I'm sorry, but I just don't feel the same way about you," before jumping into a new relationship. Which would have been a mature way of handling the ship war and how she keeps hurting people when she runs away, but it didn't happen with Sun and doesn't look like it'll happen towards Yang.
Was it so Ilia could be the rebound to the loser, a common practice in love triangles? Well no,the writers confirmed she's 100% lesbian and she didn't go to Atlas so her and Yang aren't hooking up.
Was it just representation? Well if Bumblebee a lesbian romance amongst two main characters everyone wants happens then why shoe horn in a gay rep just to write her off.
Ilia already felt like the version of Blake if she chose to stay in the White Fang and her crush could have lead to Blake not having an attraction towards girls, but if Bumblebee is still endgame its like "hey we introduced another lesbian who's into Blake. Now that, that's done we're gonna write her off so Blake can be a lesbian with Yang."
Part of me thinks Ilia's purpose was just Monty's idea of saying "Well I don't want to go with Bumblebee but maybe we can give the fans some lesbian representation."
Honestly despite volume 6, I don't think the writers fully know where they want to take Blake's love life and may end up just saying fuck it, it's bumblebee, it's popular, and we'll deal with awkwardness in the Vacuo arc
@@wlfmanjack If I can praise Ilia on one thing, it's that she's definitely the most fleshed out White Fang member. Granted, that might not be saying much but at least we get her backstory, valid motivation for joining the White Fang, some inner conflict with what she's doing, etc. And she gets enough screen time for all that. And I guess it's nice to see at least one White Fang member seeing the error of their way as opposed to dying or being arrested like literally everyone else lol.
Honestly if Bumblebee does happen it'll make me feel really bad for Ilia. She confesses to Blake, Blake says nothing about it, they say goodbye to each other, and then the next time they meet Blake introduces Ilia to her new human girlfriend.
If Bumblebee is 100%, no doubt about it, plzstopteasing it, canon...I hope it turns out decent. I don't even know how they'll even begin to try doing romance when they first thing they've done as a couple is kill someone. And also there's kinda this evil witch trying to destroy the world or something that's kind of a big deal... Anyway if this is the route they're committed to, I hope they can write it well.
@@dlo397 Yeah, assuming Bumblebee happens I fear the writers may not realize how deep of a hole they're digging for themselves with how they've introduced Ilia and Sun that going with Bumblebee does nothing but overcomplicate things especially since the stakes have never been higher. And I swear if volume 7 is when it's officially canon Imma scream cause Blake literally just killed someone she once loved. With that kind of emotional distress and vulnerability, the last thing she needs is a new lover.
In every regard it just makes far more sense to keep Blake and Yang platonic, but that seems like a 1% chance of happening. IDK, at this point I'm just waiting for the Vacuo arc out of fear that the writers won't know what to do with Sun anymore and will opt to killing him off.
The main reason I don't ship Bumblebee is because of the Blake x Sun set-up at the start of the show...
Human Person I'm just saying would you get angry if bumbleby becomes canon?
General Biscuits I woupd because it has zero build up in comparison to eclipse (I prefer that name over blacksun)
*would*
Epsilon Meme reactor I understand, for me I prefer Bumbleby but I don't mind blacksun even don't ship it.
@@generalbiscuits2490 depends on how they do it, the way that the show is going so far (blake and yang suddenly have romntic feelings for each other without anything really happening between them that would imply that they're more than just friends) I wouldn't like it. However, I'm a sucker for cute stuff so if they had a lot of cute scenes together I would be less upset :3
I do have issues with bumblebee. When you force a relationship just for the sake of fan shipping you cheapen the potential for real relationships and hurts what should be first THE STORY!
They didn't just shove it in the for the fans. And they did focus alot on the story. Bumblby dosent hurt the story.
@@brianbrush5107 the story is about OZ AND SALEM and there's barely anything about them in this volume except for 1 episode and small scenes. Bumblebee has no reason to take up so much screen time if it was built up as people claim so it's forced :)
@@Axel_Kasai That's stupid. The Salem and Ozma one was short because it was a flashback. And bumblebee has more screen time because it is a present day romance.
@@brianbrush5107 wel oz and salem are still relevant. The flashback was to show you why. And if they never let renora have a moment and they're present romance. So tell me bumblebee is not fanservice.
@@brianbrush5107 once renora killed the nuckalavee, they got pushed to the background. If that doesn't happen to bumblebee now that adams gone, its fanservice
I feel the characters feeling stabled together isn't limited to Ren and Nora. They're probably the most stabled together, but I feel Team RWBY is kinda suffering from this too. It's really feeling more like Team RW & BY at this point.
I hope that if they will go for Bumblebee, which they most likely will, they give Yang and Blake more time to actually develop their relationship. I feel it's rather rushed already, but it at least can be somewhat fixed by giving them the time in Volume 7 and onward to establish things with each other.
I honestly have no hope for bumblebee, I always thought it was a cute ship but never once considered it might be cannon throughout the show. Now they are basically a couple and everyone is losing their shit. Even Bumblebee shippers are either mad because it's obviously rushed pandering, or are in denial trying desperately to find reasons to explain why the ship even became canon.
Also, if they have the slightest shred of intelligence the entire Atlus arc is primarily going to be centered around Weiss, Winter, Jaq, Whitley, Qrow, Ironwood, Oscar, and Blake with racism (even though it's been done to death) so if they try to fit romantic development, it's not going to work because they won't be able to fi everything.
At least Ren and Nora make sense to be stabled together in a fighting sense, Ren is more of a ninja fighter needing openings to defeat his foes, whereas Nora is like this Tank with incredible firepower that due to her weak speed could use Ren´s help, but again this only works in a fighting scenario.
@@notaweeb7555 "In denial trying desperately to find reasons to explain why the ship even became canon." Aka, UnicornofWar.
I'll say it right here, right now. I have always viewed Blake and Yang's relationship as platonic throughout volumes 1-5. Even in Volume 6 I still didn't fully see this as a romantic pairing. Frankly, I'm still quite confused if they are or are not together at this point. I have a strong suspicion that the only reason they are together is because of fan support for Bumblebee. And it's not a good thing when the creators start altering the story for the sake of shippers, many of whom will literally take any and every interaction and try to put a romantic spin on it regardless of how unromantic and normal that interaction actually is.
I just really dislike Bumblebee. It's literally built on nothing. Prior to Volume 6 is was just built on nonexistent fantasies by shippers. I myself have a huge allegiance to the truth and one thing I hate more than anything else is when people lie. When they say that Blake was clearly interested in Yang and vis versa I get very annoyed because that is a lie. I would likewise be extremely annoyed if they legitimately believe that Jaune was secretly a time traveling version of Abraham Lincoln. That is a lie too.
I don't see how such a major misinterpretation of the show was allowed to persist in the RWBY community for so long. To keep propagating Bumblebee just seemed so dishonest. But here we are post-Volume 6 and it feels like RWBY just confirmed that Jaune was in fact Abraham Lincoln the entire time and he's here to deliver the Emancipation Proclamation to all the Faunus slaves.
Obi-Wan Kenobi I'm just saying would you get angry if Bumbleby becomes canon?
@@generalbiscuits2490 I think I would be. It seems fundamentally dishonest for the show to say something and then do something completely different, ignoring all the things the show said before. It's like if Katara from Avatar suddently started firebending one day. That would not make sense and be dishonest to the previous story. Beyond that it's also just bad writing.
Bumblby had Plenty of Moments. From Blake directly comparing Her relationship with Yang to her Relationship with Adam before he went nuts. To There dance together. To The Scene in Volume 5 where yang just stares like the whole world stopped when she sees Blake. To Adam saying he'd Destroy everything Blake loved...starting with Yang.
It's fine to not like a ship, but you seem to think that because you didn't like the ship it came out of nowhere.
@@brianbrush5107 I'm not normally just flat out mean, but man, you're delusional.
@@DatCameraMON well you have to be hard on shippers if you want them to listen :p
It's undeniable Blacksun has gotten a far more build up and Bumblebee just sort of... Happens, I've even seen some Bumblebee shippers agree. Not only that, but it takes place after Blake traumatized Yang and during the Atlas arc where our group has to figure out what to do knowing Salem can't be killed, Cinder and Neo coming in, Salem on the offensive, a new maiden, another relic, and the possibility of the Schnees getting involved(we know its gonna happen)
Basically Sun and Blake have been working on their relationship directly when the stakes were very low and continued when they started to rise, but now Blake and Yang are starting theirs when the stakes have never been higher and on top of that it's after Blake already traumatized Yang and after they already killed Blake's ex. With all that emotional weight of killing someone you once loved, a new relationship is the last thing Blake needs. So is it gonna happen right before the Vacuo arc or during? Either way, with how they developed Blake and Sun's relationship that's gonna be awkward for everyone. For the Writers, characters, and the audience(except for the wasps, who don't have any other investment outside of when Bumblebee happens)
The only way this sequence of events would make sense is if they did confirm Blake and Yang had feelings for each other, but decide they're better off as friends *THEN* start developing Freezerburn slowly. Yang did save Weiss from Raven's tribe and Weiss did comfort Yang in volume 5. Weiss's family life was very grim to say the least and Yang is very welcoming having a more motherly instinct perfect for someone like Weiss. And this could be a sort of history repeats, like how Raven ran away from Tai and he found Summer. Have Freezerburn develop slowly as it doesn't have any baggage and has a more natural set up than Bumblebee, then at the end of the series when Salem is defeated make it canon.
I'm not even a Freezerburn fan, but it would be the smart thing to do. But sadly I just know the writers won't do it. They won't dare go against Bumblebee and that's sad because this set up is just atrocious. Like I can't think of a worse way they could have set up Bumblebee
@@crab5862 yeah did you even watch the video?
@@crab5862 well it's right in front of you, and yeah. They were built up romantically. He flirted with her constantly, she'd get flustered by all his attention, and now he's her wingman?
Doesn't make any goddamn sense. Yeah my bro is my wingman, he winks at me and I blush and get flustered.
You see the issue? They have so many romantic false leads for Blake in order to keep drama high it makes this Yang thing stupid.
@@crab5862 based on your name and argument I'm going to assume you're a bumblebee shipper and any hardcore shipper is impossible to debate with but I'm going to attempt to anyways.
Fact 1: Monty said way early on the team was supposed to be a sisterhood. Therefore all characterization in volumes 1-4 reflected that. Until this most recent volume, nothing really romantic happened between Yang and Blake.
Fact 2: Sun was flirting with Blake but it wasn't a one sided thing. Blake isn't big on talking about her feelings but that fact that she could get flustered or blush when he would compliment her showed he had an affect on her. Something no one else up to that point had really done except Weiss pissing her off.
Fact 3: up until the most recent volume both characters only had ever expressed interest in men. Blake's relationship with Adam was abusive, sure. But that doesn't happen in a vacuum. You don't enter in a relationship without initial attraction. Yang had been ogling men in the first volume and in her intial introduction video. She was never shown as anything but straight up till this point.
In any case regardless of all of this nonsense their setup, execution, and reasoning for all this was done poorly. Look I love a good romance if it's done right. I don't care the gender as long as I'm given a reason to care.
I'm a straight native American male and I still got all sad when Klaus saw his dead boyfriend in umbrella academy. Because it made me care. Klaus was made better by his relationship so it mattered to me too
Blake and Yang's relationship annoyed the shit out of me. I don't see why Yang would enjoy Blake's sudden neediness. I don't see why Blake was so easily forgiven for everything she did without them ever talking it out. I didn't like the way Blake went from being aloof and anti social to utterly dependent when she was around Yang. It seemed so unhealthy and uncomfortable.
Just the whole thing is done wrong. I mean Blake and Yang either shouldn't even be dating someone right now after what they've been through. Speaking as someone who's been through a horribly abusive and manipulative relationship before, the last thing you need during that time is a new relationship.
At least until you work a lot of shit out. Which they hadn't. They just brushed everything aside and it's all hunky dory fine. But that's not how that shit works. My wife and I broke up 3 times before we finally got married because we didn't communicate about some of the seriously mean shit we did to each other. And she didn't let my arm get cut off and abandon me for a fucking year. Anybody who did that would be beyond dead to me.
Blake never earned that forgiveness. She just showed up and Yang was suddenly and instantly smitten with her. Which makes no goddamn sense. She should be mad. Blake should have had to make serious efforts to show how much she changed and how she would never breach Yang's trust again before they could even *begin* a relationship.
But nah, we got some sappy stares and then everything is fine now. Nevermind that every time Yang tries to reach for something with her dominant arm she'd be reminded of what she lost and why.
This is an example of how you should never do a romance. But hey Tumblr got what it fucking wanted.
@@crab5862 yeah that was about what I expected of you. Well I'm glad you got what you wanted. But personally, I give more of a shit about good writing. And yes, I used another show as an example. An example of writing a relationship done right. Dismissing examples doesn't dismiss the fundamental point I brought up. Why. Should. We. Care. A relationship should only be introduced if it is fundamentally important to the plot. How does it affect the characters. How would they react in that situation. RT didn't ask those questions. They just ran with the plot and let the characterization catch up which is insulting to the characters. Rushing a romance is like rushing an ending. It's unsatisfying.
And if the show wasn't about romance then it shouldn't have taken such a front seat in the last volume. But it did. Huge chunks of airtime were dedicated to it.
And how the fuck does that make sense. Wiess fixed the anger. Oh so her and Weiss talked which means it's all okay? There's no conversation between Blake and Yang. It's all good now. Yeah that doesn't fly. Weiss started a conversation sure but it should have been more than that if bumblebee was the route they were going. They should have had more buildup, more time spent fixing their relationship. Unrealistic romances are annoying, it's why people don't like the old style pulp action anymore where the hero gets the girl just because he exists. You have to ask why. Why did Yang start liking Blake. Where did the feelings come from. Once again, RT doesn't ask the important questions. Yang likes Blake now. Nevermind why right?
Essentially you're just happy they mashed the square peg into the circle hole and are decrying those of us who aren't happy about it. But hey I'm not blinded by the shipping goggles to basic tenants of character writing.
But then again, you're right. This is RWBY. The same show that changes how it's powers works between seasons. The same show that has ten million characters with only about 12 of them actually mattering. Why should I give a shit about consistency when it clearly doesn't have it.
And for gods sake the "show don't tell" rule of writing is more important than you nitpicking sexuality. You want to show people a straight or bi character, have them lust over someone of one or both genders. You can't do that and then backtrack and go "Oh but she doesn't actually LIKE men" because you've already established she does and going back on that is deviating from the expectations you've already built into your characterization. Those sorts of things are why people flipped their lids when Iceman went gay because for 30 years he only showed interest in girls and then suddenly writers said "nahhh, that was just him faking it"
It didn't make sense with previous characterization. Hell Yang and Blake could very well be Bi but they should have established that for a bit before they pulled the trigger on a romance. Otherwise it comes out of nowhere. Yang could have thrown some shots about Blake being cute or something. Anything. Just more setup than "oh ya I like girls too"
Also you have an incredibly insulting and flawed view of how abuse works. By your logic I should be gay because I was in a controlling and abusive relationship with a woman. But I didn't turn gay I just stopped trusting *everyone*. Suddenly anybody who liked me had a ulterior motive. I didn't let myself get too close to people because I couldn't trust anyone. Abuse breaks down your fundamental trust in people, it doesn't change your sexuality. That's a fucked up thing to say because that implies all gay people became that way because of abuse and that's simply not true.
You have this flawed idea that I'm against bumblebee. I'm not. I just wanted it to be done right. As it stands it detracts from my two favorite characters. It makes them inconsistent and confusing. They deserve a better setup for this so if fits them better. They should have grown into the relationship, not had it shoehorned in.
Either way, I'm probably wasting air here. I don't expect you to understand. Like I said before, you got what you wanted so you don't care how you got it. But the hows and whys are what separates good writing from bad. I'm sorry you can't see that.
And no. I don't have a masters in writing. I doubt you do either. Fake internet creditials don't mean much to me.
@@crab5862
"I myself am a very ace gay"
That's like saying that water is dry. If you're gay then you have a sexual attraction to the same sex. If you're asexual you have no sexual attraction to anyone. Those two ideas directly contradict each other. Pick one.
And don't give me this "having feelings vs banging them" bullshit, because asexuality and homosexuality deal with sexuality and banging people. It's in the fucking name. You can't be asexual and homosexual at the same time.
I'm pretty sure Jaune was upset that one of the people closest to him, who encouraged and inspired him, and who had a crush on him that he only found out about at the last second, died. With no way for him to stop it. You can care about someone without having romantic feelings for them; you can be sad when they're suddenly gone from your life; you can be devestated by the knowledge that you were utterly powerless to stop it. That, I feel, is the takeaway from that particular dynamic.
As for the others... Yeah, friendships aren't really a focus on the series. Remember Yang's school friends from Episode 2 or 3 that dragged her away from Ruby? The shadow people who never got names or faces of any sort? Why don't we ever get to find out what they're up to?
Gigawolf1 RWBY SHOULD be about friendships tbh, rwby is about a team of friends
I like to think that the scene where jaune is crying about phyrra after he gets sent away in a locker wasnt necessarily about jaune being inlove but more on he knew that his best friend, Which was the person who stuck with him and gave their time to train him, was about to die.
Hell Id be pretty scared knowing someone I cared about was gonna get their ass killed XD. Never really thought that jaune x pyhrra would ever work out so I never saw them as a pairing
Bumblebee is the one ship I dislike as hell XD
RWBY Is a SIsTerHoOD
"Siscest is wincest"
sisterhood also holds the meaning of "An association, society, or community of women linked by a common interest, religion, or trade.
".
The topic's ambiguous.
@@T-Jex Imbraces my inner god emperior of man with a text to speech device
"CEASE"
Sisterhood of the Travelling Guns
@@T-Jex No. Please. Just... No.
How about we write a story instead of shipping everything that moves?
Seriously, Adam had so much potential before he became the ex-boyfriend... Jaune and Pyrrah are justified because their arcs and motivations are based on that relationship, but the amount of ship biting they're doing with Oscar and Ruby and the egregious Bumblebee scenes are just out of the left field, and usually sacrifice good characterization to be onscreen! Can we just drop the relationships altogether? I'm not against shipping, but Miles and Kerry seem to be afraid they'll get no views if they drop the ships!
Honestly yeah. Why not put some effort into developing friendships? Or maybe even the fucking plot for once?
@@twiinsiink I mean, it all depends on the execution. Romance can always play a part in any story, but you need to understand how humans function in order to write a plausible relationship without sacrificing good characterization or the plot. But I feel Miles and Kerry just don't know how to write either a good story nor a relationship, yet they keep trying to do both at the same time!
Bernie needs to realize Miles and Kerry are hack writers and making Miles the lead writer for RT was a mistake. Kerry can do good things on his own (seems like he was the one who wrote the PTSD scenes with Yang in V4), but Miles I feel is a lost cause. He has his head too far up his ass to listen to constructive criticism - anything that isn't "I like Blake, I want to see more of her" he takes as a personal attack.
I feel like they use shipping to " Save " the plot but it looks so much worse
@@cheriharrington7487 The only thing that can actually save the plot is changing the writers. XD
Leave shipping to the ero-doujin that will inevitably come out of any work that exists and just focus on the plot at hand.
M and K are the worst people to work on RWBY
Blakes a cat shes bound to cling to the nearest love interest
😂 underrated 😂
Nora met Oscar and thought
"A CHILD! I'M ADOPTING YOU NOW!"
Also I really ship Rosegarden because it's like it actually has Buildup.
The bumble bee thing was almost definitely ham fisted because fans kept crying about it. I don't believe they had planned out any of that from the start.
I hope it wasn't planned because if it was...then that means they can't plan their way out if a bag...remember Blake didn't have to leave vale and go home and have sun tag along the writers chose for that to happen instead of Blake staying with yang to give emotional support during her time of need.
@@zenther5862 They probably think they're "giving the fans what that want" because fangirls don't care about good writing. I remember the voice actors we're talking about the possibility years ago at a panel.
@@OasisAlighieri I only started watching rwby recently so I skipped the fandom stuff, watched monty oums dead fantasy when it came out but didn't get into rwby until now....all I can say after watching all in one go is the story feels disjointed..thr rwby team split up but when they got back together only weiss seemed to grow as a person and none of the rest seemed any stronger for going on a personal journey
It still isn’t canon though
It wasn't planned from the start. Monty even deconfirmed it back around volume 2 when people asked if the team would have any gay ships after they brought up that there would be gay characters in the show. He stated that the team was like a sisterhood.
I realized about rwby after volume 6 that in this series shipping is more important than a good story but the show is kinda good. I started watching Rwby after playing Blazblue Cross Tag Battle (ironically I bought it only because of persona 4).
But in game Ruby has better chemistry with Hyde (a character from a different world) than Blake from her own team.
@Diego RT
I can't be mad at you for spoiling Hyde and Ruby for me since I haven't played Cross Tag Battle yet, because I just happened across your comment while scrolling this video's comment section...
And hey at least Ruby and Team RWBY's inclusion in that game did its job and got you to check out the show.
But if a newcomer like yourself can see the lack of chemistry in canon ships as well as long time fans can really highlights how big of a problem it is.
Agree with you about BB. If RT is really gonna go through with it, why give us all these Blacksun moments?
People argue that Blacksun is a red herring, but if so, RT is really making a big mistake.
Using an example from Naruto, this is exactly what happened with Kishimoto setting up these NaruSaku moments before going with NaruHina in the end. Granted, I never liked or shipped NaruSaku, but I can see why fans are understandably upset.
At least Kishi ended up going for the most healthy ships, with RT we clearly see they will end up giving the audience a shitty unhealthy ship, regardless of the outrage.
The blacksun moments were because Monty was pushing for Blake and Sun to get together. It’s very clear that Blake and Yang being romantically interested in each other suddenly was not part of his plan due to how it reeks of RT writing and how inorganic it is. It’s just pandering.
Josh K
I dont really remember Sakura actually liking Naruto, at least for me it was always a surface level one sided crush.
In fact she told Naruto she loved him out of pity once, which is a really fucked up thing to do to a guy.
I was never into Naruto ships at all but im even less into NaruSaku
@@revolvingworld2676 It was best Naruto didn't get with Sakura considering how horrible she treated him (one of her more unforgettable moments was literally insulting him for not having parents and like you said, she said she "loved" him just to prevent him from stopping her from killing Sasuke, which I found hilarious that she thought she could do that).
@@JayRedGear Adding on to that whole Sakura insulting parents thing, it's hilarious that Sasuke could empathise more with Naruto than be in love with Sakura.
According to Unicorn of War, Blake kissing Sun goodbye, is a sign that this was end of their romantic relationship. What?
I don't have a problem with BlackSun or Bumblby, but if they wanted to drop BlackSun, they should've (a) Had them date and break up, or (b) Discuss being together and come to the conclusion it wouldn't work. But Blake's behavior makes me not want Blake to end up with anyone. She slapped Sun whenever he made her unhappy. She abandoned Yang when she needed her and didn't apologize when she came back and every instance of getting them alone felt like was Blake trying to slide past the issue of abandoning Yang. Ruby shouldn't want Blake to be with Yang because Blake abandoning her, but it's never discussed. If Adam was abusive as CRWBY said on Twitter, then Blake shouldn't be looking for a relationship right now. She got out of an abusive relationship. She shouldn't be wanting to pursue another at the moment. Or, if she was, she would be hesitant.
On the topic of "should Ruby even want Blake with Yang" I'm not sure Ruby would have much opinion on it really, and even if she does- it kinda doesn't matter? Ruby's opinion on the ship shouldn't effect the members of the ship (or at least that's how I see it). And for "If Adam was abusive, Blake shouldn't be looking for a relationship", I disagree. There's no "time limit" one needs to wait for after getting out of a tough relationship before entering a new one. There's no guide-line on how to do relationships right; if Blake developed romantic feelings for Yang/Sun/whoever, then she did. Regardless of how long it's been since she was with Adam. (I'll also point out that it's actually been a pretty long time since Blake left Adam. At least a year, judging by their ages between volumes).
As for Unicorn's comment of "this is the end of their romantic relationship".... yeah sounds like a load of head cannon to me. I know Unicorn ships Sun, Blake, and Yang all together. It seems he's just convinced himself (or at least lets himself believe) that there was a real relationship between Blake and Sun during their stay on the island. While it's abundantly clear that's not actually the case. A fun head cannon to think about, but head cannon none the less.
There's no guildlines, but typically take you immediate baggage into a different relationship.
I gave up trying to be hopeful about a series whose writing changed overnight to suit what fans wanted over what suited the plot better, but I hope instead of romantic relationships we get more regular team bonding. Tbh the last time anyone felt like a Cohesive Team was in the early volumes when they were just getting to know each other. We ought to step away from the mourning of loved ones and groaning about canon or not canon ships and try to make these friends feel like actual friends.
Also I wanted to say: When Jaune met Phyrra’s mom in Argos I was really really hoping that moment signified an end to the edgy “Wah Phyrra’s Gone” arc, and we can move on from that entirely. Like, drop it. I’m tired of it and it was poorly written anyway.
But then she disappeared, as if to say that was actually Pyhrra's ghost, because the day Rooster Teeth stops fucking their fandom is the day I eat my own ass.
Vicente Temes :’) At that point I went from really really hoping to given up all hope lmao
@@vicentetemes5793 You win best comment.
@@twiinsiink yay senpai noticed me
I want a free car.
I'm kind of on the same boat about Bumblebee; it's cute as hell, and I totally see why such a large majority of the fandom loves it, but I just wish it had more buildup.
It also makes Sun just kind of... pointless. Like, what role in the story does Sun even have now? He was "Blake's love interest" and that's it. Now he doesn't even have that, since Blake went with Yang. Maybe this will let them develop him on his own though, or hell have him actually interact with the team he ditched for two entire Volumes to chase Blake around.
jjilatt123 Bumblebee isn’t canon though?
If wasp is canon and she still toys with Sun, the show will officially have committed suicide.
furyberserk agreed
Big mac wow I must be really out of the loop. That’s extremely disappointing to hear, honestly. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
jjilatt123 I know they won’t do this since M/K aren’t good enough writers and the toxic fans will take it the wrong way, but I want Sun to get confused or have some kind of reaction to Bumblebee when he returns. The reason I say the toxic fans would take it the wrong way, instead of seeing his reaction as confusion set around basically realizing none of the character interactions really led anywhere, they’d say he’s “a toxic male who thought he was entitled to Blake”
RWBY doesn't want to do relationships, it just wants to SAY it has relationships. They want to have ships and stretch out them possibly getting together as long as possible to keep more people watching. Ren and Nora are the closest thing they have to a relationship, but it doesn't really feel earned or impactful. It doesn't have much of a buildup and in previous seasons they've been a comedy duo. Nora is one of my favorite characters in the whole series, but to me it doesn't feel much different from how they were before, she just kinda leans on him in the opening and I think a couple times in the season? I can't even remember. For all we know they're just friends with benefits now, it feels like so little a difference from how they were before. That's how I see it anyway.
1:00 technically it was the only person in jaunes life who actually believed in him and Pyrrhas whole point is the whole to die for Jaune it's meant to be a "what-if" and not an actual relationship that's why the death of the Pyrrha is really sad not because they are together it's because they could've been
My sister got asked out by her friend the day before valentines day. She was going to tell him yes that morning but he ended up dying that morning. I can 100% say the way Jaune acts is the way if not less the way my sister acted.
Zaggora I'm sorry for your sisters loss man
Zaggora Ooof my condolences.
The aftermatch of something like jaune went through, is the regret over what happened and how he ruined the chance of making good memories with Pyhrra or maybe prevent her death.
Or maybe he feels responsible, she spent so much time helping him improve he could feel he was holding her back from being the best she could have been, maybe he regret being so blind not seeing everything she had for him that probly why juane was like that
I think CRWBY doesn't know how to write personal interactions, let alone relationships. None of the characters really have any good interactions w/ each other outside of ships. They view goofy moments as good storytelling & relationship building. Ruby & Yang hardly seem like sisters, both physically & in terms of characterization. Qrow & Raven also seem to have lackluster interactions. All that could be forgiven, but there's nothing else to really pay attention to. The story is a bit directionless & flimsy, at best. It's stupid & makes little sense at worst. And w/o a good story, the action is a bit pointless, especially since it's drop in quality. RWBY had so much potential, but I see it going the way of "The Legend of Korra" if they don't make some much needed improvements.
Yeah. Even the significant character of Summer has been poorly developed so far. Other than season 3 scene with Ruby visiting her grave, there has been no development/exploration of her bond with her mum. Yang said Ruby was too young to remember her and that is fine but if Summer is going to be some part of the shows lore, they might as well explore her character through her loved ones and the people who knew her. The flashback in volume 6 chapter 14 doesn't even count cuz Ruby never talked about her mum ever since volume 3. You could even say that they forgot all about Summer until the final chapter or they didn't even try and slapped that scene at the last moment. When the silver eyes were in discussion, they didn't take the opportunity for Ruby to even think about her. The relationship is so weak, I can count the scenes involving Ruby and Summer alone on one hand and that also includes the vol 6 flashback.
@@syrusangi8743 True. If anything other characters could have flashbacks to Summer, like say Yang (since Summer's basically the only mom's she's known). It would've been interesting if Yang asked Raven why couldn't she have been a mom like Summer was to her. But w/ the way Raven's poorly written, she probably would have a lame response--if she responded at all.
CRWBY seems to come up w/ ideas, but don't know how to explain them. And whenever questions are ask or a continuity error is mentioned, they're not ready for it & respond in anger. IDC what anyone says, it seems like CRWBY's making everything up as they go along. Either that or they're changing things that were previously planned, to disastrous effect.
And instead of spending time on fixing and/or establishing things, they'd rather worry about -ships & creating even more pointless characters (like Oscar & Maria).
It would've been more interesting if Oz "reincarnated" (even though it's more of body hopping) in Qrow.
@@MoCa1979Jr I agree. From what I am seeing, they would rather take short cuts than improve the story. They know that groups like LGBT will follow and support the show for any piece of representation they can get whether it is proper or not. So long they are noticed and people get their lesbian fantasy. They tend to please the fans and depend too much on fan service to keep the show going. It's not bad to do fan service but if it must be in the story, make it relevant and not an inconsistent hinderance. I don't usually watch their conventions or podcasts that much, but if what I hear about them are true, they don't seem to be the most professional team crew.
@@syrusangi8743 Ugh I hate that trope of gay people sacrificing good plot/character development for representation.
I'm gay and as nice as it would be to have a m/m couple, it should be done right. I have only finished up to V5 and had no idea Bumblebee was a real thing. I thought it was a fanfictional term until now. This "couple" has shown nothing to support it as far as I can see this entire series up to V5.
@@theparadox112793 Wait until they force feed it to you in Volume 6, it has the subtlety of being given a suppository with how shoehorned it is.
The relations between all the characters seem very hollow whether ships or not and it's bad. Ruby and Yang are supposed to be sisters but we see nothing showing that outside of Yang saying she wants to be there for her sister but then immediately runs to Blake in every situation. As you said they are supposed to be teams but never feel that way due to lack of conversations and interactions as a whole. As the viewer who know nothing between curtain characters but are treated as if we do, and it doesn't help with the outside sources being told to us via RTX panels and simple head cannons to fill any holes, if at all. The ships in this show never feel natural but are told that they are *cough* Arryn *cough*, Arkos was a one way ship with Pyrrha wanting Jaune but he was too focused on Weiss. So when vol 5&6 come around is seems odd with how emotional he is towards her death, I would understand if it was because she was a teammate/partner but no, its feels more like a lost lover despite not having those kind of emotion for her till during/after her death. Bumblebee is a major issue in my opinion. We are given very few interactions between the two in the first 3 volumes, be away for 2, and be awkward around each other for most of the latest one. As stated in the video we get WAY more time between Blake and Sun than Blake and Yang as well as flirting to boot. I feel they wanted to add tension to Blake's choice of relationships so they added Ilia as one, kept Sun as one, made Adam an ex, and finally Yang for another. There was no need to go through all this if the final choice was going to be Yang, just make them a thing at the end of 2 when we had decent evidence of it possibly being a thing, have them "brake up" in 3, and finally have them fix everything in 6 after both of them having doubts about the other for 2 volumes. With what we are given in the show it feels like Blake and Yang just suddenly fall for each other with no build up or even closure on their issues with one another because they need to be a thing. If the writers want to create relationships, make them work and not potentially compromise a story. Make it subtle with hint here and there scattered throughout the main story and maybe have them get together when things are quite and peaceful, sort of, so they reflect on what brought them here. Another big thing is to make sure it doesn't disturb the team aspect of the show, make it so they still care for everyone in the team equally and not raise another's importance above everyone else. If a team member is caring more for one person over the others, it destroys that team feeling and now they seem split on who's more important to each other and can ruin otherwise great teamwork.
_Can't have any relationship problems if your not in a relationship_
*The More You Know*
That's some big brain thinking
I agree with this video and I know you were just trying to find a scene of Oscar when you said something about him falling in love with another character but the zoom out with Qrow made me chuckle and then get scared because I realized RWBY isn’t free from those people
Yes, lol I wasn’t the only one who laughed at 13:20 when she said “Now I hope they don’t have Oscar falling in love with a different character.”
Yes, there are people in the fandom who will grasp at weird subtext and try to make it official, like some conspiracy theorist. Lol but that ship would make the show so much worse it Is just hilarious thinking about it.
“Oh no, uncle Qrow only dedicated his life to Ozpin because Qrow is romantically in Luv with Ozpin, not because he thought it was the right thing to do.”
Qrow x Ozpin confirmed. (Jk)
"Now I hope Oscar doesn't suddenly fall in love with another character"
*Shows Qrow*
I-
Arkos felt like a solid relationship, with probably only Black Sun Blake x Sun being the only other believable relaitonship. The pairs had decent chemistry and development over the course of the series. Everything else, Bumblbee especially is just fan pandering and shipping fuel that I wish would die.
The Fan Without a Face it's also voice acting pandering too
@@lucapeyrefitte6899 Huh?
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 Arryn likes BB
@@mixedawesomesauce8354 ....Goddamnit. Can't she just write fanfiction or something?
BmBLbEe wAs pLAnnEd FrOm thE StARt!!!
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T Jex. I'm just saying would you get angry if bumbleby becomes canon?
@@generalbiscuits2490 I dont care, i already gave up on this show, what bothers me is that the whole "planned from the start" thing is just a cheap way to ignore criticism.
General Biscuits on every post you just ask if people would be mad if it’s canon and then don’t reply further what’s up with that? Why ask the question if you don’t give a response after they answer?
Technically, Nora monologued "My man!" so I was thinking it could still be one-sided. I think the best we've got is the V6 opening theme.
I really wonder how much is simply due to preproduction and insufficient runtime. They were obviously writing the script on the fly. gen:LOCK had 2 years(?) and lots of money, so it was super compact and fast paced. They were able to fit in 10 main characters in 3.2 hours, with one primary love interest and hints of possibly two others.
It's really hard to say who's a main character, but RWBY had 1.8 hours in V1 and showed, in order of number of lines: Ruby, Weiss, Jaune, Yang, Blake, Pyrrha, Ozpin, Penny, Cardin, Nora, Roman, Sun, Port, Glynda. Or screentime: Ruby, Weiss, Jaune, Blake, Yang, Pyrrha, Cardin, Ozpin, Ren, Roman, Nora, Penny, Sun, Port, Glynda, I guess that's around 10 main characters, maybe more? There's the explicitly failing White Knight and tiny hints of Renora, Eclipse, and Arkos. Granted, it's hard to reduce our current understandings of the characters to what we only had after V1, but I still think it's pretty efficient for having only 57% of the runtime of gen:LOCK.
To be honest, if they had simply cut Jaune, it would've been much better. Pyrrha would naturally be her team's leader, and she would encourage Ruby in leadership, instead of Ruby giving that speech to Jaune in that hallway. Ruby would gain Weiss's respect because Ruby faces Cardin's bullying, and not just because of Port's pep talk. And if Pyrrha is Ruby's love interest, it makes the silver-eyed reaction at the tower much more believable. And this completely solves Ruby's character development issues. Sigh...
Sorry, I complain about the past too much. Keep moving forward, amirite?
And now I'm sad that Milk & Cerrials was never a thing...
Yeah, focusing on Jaune so much has really hurt the show more than some people are willing to admit. It's not that I _want_ to dislike Jaune but Weiss, one of our _supposed_ main characters, getting stabbed just so Jaune can get his hero moment really opened my eyes to how cancerous Jaune's presence has been to most of the main cast, and how this is far from the first time Weiss got shafted for the sake of Jaune. Poor girl.
Looking back, Ruby's hallway scene with Jaune really is the end of Ruby's whole "leadership issues" arc, and that's a shame because if they had keep that going then it really could've helped Ruby's character a lot. But why bother with writing your "main" character when you can write for your _main_ character?
Speaking of leadership, how it has been given in the show has been really dumb. As much as I like Ruby and her awesome plan against the Nevermore, that really doesn't show anything to imply that she could act like a leader. It really just feels that they were given the leadership position because of nepotism, and if Ozpin being incompetent was the point then that would've been fine, but it's not. I think it would've been better if leadership was able to be passed down by the leaders themselves, that way you can have Weiss realizing that Ruby is more skillful than she seems culminating in her passing down the leadership position to Ruby of her own accord.
@@travonarmstrong6093 I´ve heard Adam and Jaune´s characters have been suffering from Miles´s self-inserting himself in the plot, Jaune in his teenage years thing and Adam after he went through a real life break-up with Aryn.
@@sebas8225 Yeah, I could see that happening.
*slowly reaches hand over to computer to yeet another draft of my story into oblivion* seriously though, I always learn two or more writing tips with these videos. You've just got a new subscriber. 😄
Hooray! And don't worry about needing to start over on your drafts, each time you redo it you're improving!
When the two teams reunited and everyone was hugging I was confused when Yang went to hug Ren. Since when are they that close? We've never seen an interation between them? And I'm fairly certain Ren is quite reserved. Heck, I can't remember Ren and Nora ever hugging.
Same thing with Jaune hugging Blake
It’s there to give a false sense of closeness I feel.
This video is so underrated and sums up the writing nicely.
Yeah but people only wanna listen to people like unicorn of war when it comes to writing cuz he supports bumblebee 2000%
Yeah, which stinks because I would enjoy watching UoW. I stopped after seeing some of the tweets.
@@glados4199 Yeah. Like his vids are fun listening to but when he says "anyone who hates bumblebee or criticizes the writing can fuck off" or "most of the fandom is toxic. Not me tho" just makes me just smh lol
Yeah exactly. Which is kind of funny because he promotes MisKat’s videos about respecting ships and being mature (which I agree), yet he does the exact opposite and encourages to talk trash to some who have legitimate issues with the ship.
Can’t these people understand that you can like/dislike a ship and be fine with each other? It’s fine to be angry with a ship, it’s just an opinion lol
@@crab5862 why?
I think the reason why the characters can't interact with other characters besides their own ship destiny or some bullshit like that is because RWBY is PLAGUED with too many characters. They don't have enough time to animate all of the characters interacting with each other, so they have to go with the best bits by sacrificing other parts of the cake. I enjoy frosting okay, but without the cake itself I get sick of it really fast.
I disagree, there´s no such thing as a "too many characters" problem if you are good writter, you can easily get away with it, by having a good chunk of the characters be seasonals that dont show up in the next volumes, or taking out X main character from acting in a specific arc for a determined amount of time (HxH does this all the time) the problem with RWBY is that it keeps too many of the older characters and then doesnt know what to do with the new ones, it´s what fucked up the WF instead of introducing less characters but more powerful in the WF, like other generals like Adam, they went for cheap weaklings Adam could kill, effectively having introduced fodders and not actual characters. And since the screentime is always given to team RWBY it gives off the feeling of too many characters because too many plots and subplots are happening all at the same time, imagine just imagine how much screentime could´ve been saved and put to good use if Weiss tried to escape Atlas only to fail and be grounded there til Volume 7, it would´ve automatically given tons of opportunity to actually improve the writting of Vol. 5 and 6.
Except good writer knows never to go beyond their limit.
Your bumblebee segment is what I've been saying for a while, and no one believed me.
You know why they can't write organic friendship dialogue? its because CRWBY are having thier own shipping wars. Also thanks for pointing out how great i am at relationships but what i want is character development not love
You're welcome sweetheart. And I agree, more development would be great!
I think it´s more on micromanagement issues and CRWBY having unhealthy relationships and friendships to begin with.
Twiins iink Can the FNDM collectively adopt Oscar now? (Also RG ftw)
Haha, you are using your channel name to the fullest, aren’t you?
I am all for ships like bumblebee, renora, and arkos but the fact that everyone is hooking up just because the fandom wants it to happen instead of gaining significant development, makes me hope bumblebee doesn't happen because lets face it... they really have no specific, thought out, well written conversations. rather its us, the fans, grasping to straws based on little glances or hand holding, and crwby just trying to satisfy the fan base, because its cute. I totally agree with twiins iink regarding the 5 year black sun build up and another youtuber called jelloapocalypse comments on this in his So this is basically rwby video. I really hope bumblebee gets much more development if they are going to throw away black sun just like that and if they do happen to get together not in the next volume, but hopefully in the future have an actual conversation and not just get together as soon as volume 7 begins like what happened with renora.
I honestly have no hope for bumblebee, I always thought it was a cute ship but never once considered it might be cannon throughout the show. Now they are basically a couple and everyone is losing their shit. Even Bumblebee shippers are either mad because it's obviously rushed pandering, or are in denial trying desperately to find reasons to explain why the ship even became canon.
(edit: there were a few typos)
NOTAWEEB it’s not canon though
I'm glad there are Bee fans that do see the issues behind this subplot. Honestly at this point, I'm just waiting for the Vacuo arc to see where this train wreck leads to when they reintroduce Sun. Either they're going to shoe horn a new love interest for him and be like "see now everyone's happy" or they're gonna kill him off mid arc cause they don't know what to do with him.
But killing off Sun Wukong would be the worst move on the writers, since 1) We'll know why they're doing it and its just gonna be pure cringe and 2) In the Journey to the West books Sun was described as having 3 times immortality. A large part of his character was literally not dying, part of fun was seeing how resilient he was. Not saying RWBY Sun has to be immortal, but killing off the character literally known for *NOT* dying would be atrocious
ROSEGARDEN FTW!!!! I SO LOVE THEM ❤️ They're so cute, I hope too that RT execute their relationship smoothly and not rushed.
Learning from mistakes? What's that?
Nive to see your channel growing btw.
tbf they have slowly have started too they made Ruby actually feel like the main character in v6 and have started showing the whole racism towards the faunus
Yang and Blake really have no chemistry. They really shouldn't have put them together. Ruby and Weiss have more chemistry than they do. I honestly think it's pandering, and it's annoying that they focus on that instead of making a better story and better relationships.
Mr. Cynical I have to disagree, personally i think they do have chemistry. it’s been developed since volume 2 and it’s been shown time and time again that the both of them can work together smoothly but maybe that’s just my opinion.
@@gaymienne
See, in my opinion, what you may see as chemisty, I see as a somewhat friendship happening. That's the closest thing I see it as. They don't have enough scenes with each other to show they care for one another in a non-platonic way. In my eyes, it feels like you have to grasp for straws just to show they have "something" before Volume 6. Then you have Sun, who she constantly blushes at, affectionately plays with, is seen with in every season he was introduced, and have even seen the parents off (just Blake's), but he gets shafted for a bigger ship. He even gets kissed before Yang does.
Sorry for the wall. TL;DR, THEY'RE FOCUSING ON A SHIP THAT DIDN'T EVEN HAVE MUCH SCREEN TIME WITH EACH OTHER.
Good thing they haven’t put them together, then. Bumblebee isn’t canon.
Samantha Pribble I’m now going to count that out of sheer curiosity lol
Mr. Cynical I'm just saying would you get angry if bumbleby becomes canon?
Thank you for bringing this to the forefront. This is probably the best argument against bumblebee because it’s something everyone can understand as bad writing
Oh no, we can't DARE criticize Bumblebee ever. The rabid shippers of the RWBY fandom will froth at the mouth and attack in droves calling you homophobic and a terrible person for saying the "build up" to Blake and Yang is anything less than pure perfection that is a paragon to all gay representation in any media ever. (I swear RWBY fandom shippers are some of the worst people I've ever had the displeasure of interacting with just because I wish Crwby would commit and be clear about ships rather than leave shit hollow and ambiguous to sell merch.)
You think that's bad look at my hero shippers they are just as bad if not worst
The RWBY manga by Bunta Kinami built a better relationship between the team members than the show. Ruby and Blake actually talk to each other. Crazy, huh!?
It's a shame they reserve stuff like that for supplemental material and just exclude it from the actual show.
@@twiinsiink heck, Bunta Kinami removed Cinder altogether from the beginning of the story. I wish the manga goes in its own direction like the 2003 FMA anime.
Finally someone talking about it!
I always get witchunted when i say i like something like Blake and Sun despite all the setup,I thought i was the only one who saw it this way!
Damn how am I just now discovering your channel?
I just marathoned all your vids. Keep up the good work.
Would love to see you do a video on Dust and how little attention the writers pay attention to it.
Like first of all we don't know what types of dust and combinations of dust exist until they're used for a specific purpose.
And second we don't know the visual cues for which type is being used.
For example; when the show started Wind dust was green. But when Mercury was introduced, they changed Wind dust to white and green to a combination of Fire and Wind (as stated in Ren's wiki entry since his bullets are green).
It's another thing that keeps getting retconned every episode.
I was on team bumblebee since volume 2, then I switched to team Blake and Sun because season 5 really developed them. Then season 6 happened and I couldn't help but feel a little disappointed when they ended up pairing Blake with Yang almost out of nowhere. Hell, at one point I was even hoping that Freezerburn would be a thing some time down the road because of some of the really good interactions between Weiss and Yang where both of them sort of open up to one another.
Right?! They did a pretty good job setting up a bunch of other ships than the one they went with.
@@twiinsiink Like, I sensed a good connection forming between Weiss and Yang when the cold hearted icy queen leapt into the arms of the trigger happy fire dragon for the first time and when they had half an episode dedicated to the two of them opening up about their respective family troubles and how it affected them personally. Yang hates her mother for abandoning them to live as some outlaw in the woods, and Weiss hates how her family, aside from her sister and butler, only see her as the heiress to the name, not as their child. They missed a great chance to expand on that, make Weiss Yang's go to person for when she needs to talk about family and vise versa and develop a strong bond between them. We hardly ever see Weiss and Yang interact outside of comedy segments that its hard to believe they are even friends.
My poor sweet baby boy Sun always getting the short end of the stick.
I know there’s some issues with Oz in Rose Garden, but I really hope they don’t screw up the ship. Like you said, it seems healthy for them to not be attached to each other like glue. I would love to see Oscar and Ruby together in the future. They both seem like little balls of fun and cuteness.
Gr8 vid as always. You’re notes make me realize how to better improve own my writing :DD
Rent has more chemistry with Weiss and Juanne then Bumblebee has and that’s a problem.
“Im glad there isn’t a princess to save in the show”
Salem and Ozma: 😳
Setting aside romance for a second and focusing more on the character's general relationships with each other, I keep having to wonder - Why are Blake and Yang written as a pair, rather than Blake and Weiss?
Think about it. Weiss in Yang's role is way more fulfilling to the narrative than Yang. They had a confrontation with strained acceptance at the end during the very first volume. That leading in to them becoming close friends in the second volume would make sense, but instead Yang took that position.
Later on, in volume 3, Adam ends up going after Blake, and when Yang tries to stop him, he cuts off her arm. Think about how much more impactful it would be if it was Weiss in that situation instead. There you have the heir to the SDC, the same company which is branded on to Adam's face, trying to save Blake, so he loses it, lops off her arm, and says that he'll make Blake pay. In that circumstance his obsession and hatred for both of them would make WAY more sense, and when his face was finally revealed it would recontextualize why he was to crazy and desperate to stalk them.
It would also be great for Weiss' character. Here she is, having left home to become a huntress, only to have to be collected back by her father because she was crippled when she tried to save her friend, who was a Faunus, who then abandoned her. All of that, plus the physical disability, would really weigh on her time back in Atlas, and explain why she didn't leave sooner, because she felt dependent on her father until she finally summoned her knight and felt capable of handling herself again.
And like I said, having Weiss with Blake later on would add a huge amount of gravity to the final confrontation with Adam. The SDC and Faunus stories are so intimately tied together that it's completely mind-boggling that Weiss' presence as one of Blake's teammates/vice-versa was NEVER brought up for either of them by anyone, it's such an obvious and natural point of drama that it makes no sense that they never did anything with it. Adam never even mentioned that Blake was friends with a Schnee, did he even know?
Increasingly, it feels like the entire series is nothing but wasted potential.
I need a fanfic of this now, like holy shit.
How about....friendship? Just friendship? I like that.....why does everything have to revolve around romance?
I started watching rwby mostly completely blind with the exception of a few videos about it, and thought that Blake and Sun had pretty good chemistry
I find them cute, and thought it would be cool of they ended up together
Then I found out Bumblebee is like, a thing(?) and I'm only in volume 5 but, it felt pretty out of nowhere for me. And I'd be lying if I said I had nothing against it, because I do. Where the hell did it even come from? From the brief little dance that went over into Blake and Sun spending the rest of the evening together?
It's so underdeveloped and it just makes it seem so out of place for me.
And let me be absolutely straight here, I could care less if it's gay or straight or whatever, if the execution feels unnatural, then it's a bad ship to me. I mean heck, at first it didn't even occur to me that they could have a thing for each other, like, ever. They were,, barely even friends or so it seemed.
The later volumes try to make up for this lack interaction by having them be attached at the hip and caring only about each other.
@@thomasraines1396 Unfortunately it's really hard to believe it's genuine with them not even seeming all that close before lol
@@TiaTam oh no it doesn’t feel genuine for me either.
Watching this after finishing volume 5 (no 6 yet) and had NO clue they showed any interest in each other from anything I've seen.
Kept hearing/seeing "Bumblebee" mentioned and legit thought it was a fan ship....
Was hoping for Sun&Blake but whatever
Personally I always shipped bumblebee, but when they made it canon it not only made no sense and came out of nowhere, but also got rid of a lot of the chemistry they had just as characters, and for some reason they barely interact with the rest of their team now
Should’ve just stuck to the whole team just being friends and nothing more
I think blake is just attracted to the closest blonde
Everyone has preferences I guess.
To be fair, Jean falling in love with the first girl that planted one on him is pretty understandable from a loser guy's perspective.
Nice to see your videos semi blowing up as of late, as usual I agree with most of your points except... Blake and Yang don't even look cute next to each other. Going back to your character design video Yang doesn't really look good next to anyone since there's barely any yellow. Blake looks good next to almost everyone but as far as team RWBY goes she looks best next to Weiss. Outside of just physical appearance they also don't jive well when it comes to their personalities.
As far as the Ruby and Oscar thing goes everything about Oscar screams love interest. He's shorter than Ruby which isn't done often in media since girls don't usually go for guys shorter than them, he's so short because he needs to look young so shippers have no one to ship him with but Ruby. He has Oz in him, making it so that he's under magic related stress like Ruby with her silver eyes. He oneshots a headmaster after seeing Ruby get hurt then rushes to get her back up. His only interactions with anyone in volume 5 were with Ruby and Qrow. Every development we should've gotten for him in volume 4 and 6 were offscreen with only volume 6 giving him a new dynamic with Nora which is expected because Nora is Rawr Xd I'm so random with everyone. Hell the only time we've seen Oscar talk with Oz since volume 4 was at the end of volume 6. The writers are avoiding Oscar talking to Oz just like Ruby didn't ask about her silver eyes.
Pretty much agree with everything you said. I know it's subjective but I never understood how people could say that Blake and Yang look good together. Ruby, Blake and Weiss have/had colors on them that they shared with each other, so I could at least get if someone said that about say, Weiss and Blake or Ruby and Blake.
I don't know why, but you pointing out that girls in media don't usually date guys that are shorter than them reminded me of Winry saying that in FMA. Now THAT was a show that balanced general character interactions and romance in the main cast well. Winry actually felt like her own character rather than just "Ed's love interest". In fact, I had never even considered giving her that label when watching the show, as I was too engrossed to give a simple label to a character and call it a day...
Now if only RWBY could do that. Seriously, when was the last time that Ruby and Yang had anything plot related together that lasted more than one episode? Volume _One_ ?! Makes Yang feel more like Blake's side-bitch #4 if you ask me.
Again this is just me, but I still don't see Bumblebee official yet. I mean personally I took the whole holding hands was a way for them to show the two women uniting together as Adam hurt both of them physically, and psychologically. Maybe it's just me though.
Wing Adept finally somebody with some common sense
I agree, I mean: what's the point of forming a couple if you're never going to say the words "girlfriend" or "I love you"?
If only Unicorn of War and all the other Bumblebee shippers could see this.
A strong foundation... almost like Monty knew what he was doing and Miles and Kerry are just hangers on incapable of original thought
Miles Monty and Kerry Made the show together.
It means Blake doesnt deserve Sun.
Honestly it makes her look bad.....she doesn't deserve anyone.
I agree that the writing isn't the best in RWBY, I honestly recommend that they take a full year break to try and plan out the show to Vol 10 or something like that but RWBY is too much of a cash cow. With saying that the team did leave a lot of subtext in Vol 2 and 3. The thing is the show relied too much on subtext Vol 2 and 3. Because of the story all interesting character interaction is regulated to "it happened off screen".
This is very apparent going from Vol 1 to 2. Entire weeks and months are skipped over. Important moments between the characters are off screen so that they can further the plot. This ended after Vol 3 and Vol 4 went incredibly slow and Vol 5 and 6 picked the pacing back up to a very reasonable pace. But it took them 6 Volumes to have a perfect pacing for RWBY. This is definitely a problem they should have ironed out pre-production of Vol 1. But rooster teeth is a small corporation with little to no direction.
Idc how excited I am for Vol 7 and Bumbleby. They honestly have to have a plan because i have no idea where the story is going and that's hella bad by the 7th season of a tv series.
Literally EVERY problem in this show is caused and solved by love.
The whole Ozpin vs Salem war started because she couldn’t accept that he was gone... and that lead her to madness and be evil.
The motivation of Adam of M&K is her ex-girlfriend and nothing else...
Blake and Yang defeat Adam without a real training scene and he even couldn’t punch Yang or Blake when in volume 3 he hit Blake twice and stab her in the stomach and he cut off Yang’s arm so easily.
And everyone use every single moment of a character been close to the other to support the ship, if that’s the case Sun have more minutes in screen with Blake than Yang does...
What happened to the natural moments and the chemical in the team? Ruby and Wisse have a lot of screen time together and the same with Blake and Yang, and Yang and Wisse have more screen time together than Ruby and Blake had, and if they are really a team why everyone solves their problems in pairs if this is a team of four?
The whole team RWBY facing Adam in volume 6 could be one of the greatest moments in the show, Adam could mean something to Ruby, Wisse, Blake and Yang.
To Blake: face the mistakes of the past and trust in friend and teammates.
To Yang: not be fear and not face your fear alone when you have your friend near you to help you
To Wisse: meet face to face the horrible action of her father and what he do to the Faunus and understand why all the attacks to the SDC.
And for Ruby: face the man who broke the spirit of her sister and in some way the opposite of her.
Adam had a lot of potential for the show, moral and for development for our heroes, but in the end, all reduce to kill the bad guy to win...
Finally another Ruby and Oscar shipper
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on these pairings in RWBY. They are insightful and you ask some good questions. There is so much more potential for developing various friendships, like Ruby and Weiss as friends.
I'm gonna be honest, I was kinda biased against this video when RUclips recommended it to me multiple times. But after watching it, I can say I agree with pretty much every point you made. Blacksun got years of hinting only for them to switch fullspeed to Bumbleby. Where was the talk?
When has Yang taken an interest in faunus rights? When has Blake taken an interest in Yang's issues with her mom? The only issue they both care about is the one that impacts them both: Adam.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head, too. As much as I love Renora and Arkos, Renora is two half-characters forming one full character. And Arkos is like Cloud and Aerith, or Noctis and Luna but without the buildup. Jaune only really seems to realize his feelings for Pyrrha when she's literally kissing him. Yet we spend both V4 and V6 with "Jaune is sad about Pyrrha" scenes which take away from Ruby and Oscar's potential development.
Overall, really good video. Nice work!
Hooray! I know that sometimes RUclips suggests garbage vids, so I'm glad you took the risk to try ours out. And even more glad that you liked it :)
every time someone says RWBY tries to do romance i laugh. this show can't even get platonic relationships right. leave the romance to the fans they can do it better.
i don't what it is, it physically hurts me when i see what is suppose to be a romantic moment. all i can think is where did this come from? how did we get here? and why?
stop prioritizing shipping over the plot.
you know what i wish, i wish the show i would made fun of romance instead of entertaining it.
Nah. Rose garden is just like ruby and jhone at the beginning, rwby is the inspiration and Oscar is the rookie that has lot to learn, so is natural that rwby support and interact with him, and believe me, 14 years boy, with confidence problems, and not a lot of social interaction, whatever compliment recibe wold make them fluster and nervous.
They should just forget the shipping for a season and focus on the story as something worth showing no just a re-rune in Tv. :|
Jhone
They should focus on the life lessons of each arc, over the shipping, if they cant do healthy shipping they should stick to healthy life lessons.
I have an 18 your old friend who's dating a 21 year old
Jaune and Ruby are the perfect example of healthy Best Friends relationships
Unpopular opinion but i think Pyrrhas crush on Jaune was incredibly stupid Miles expects me to believe Jaune was the only one who treated her normally its so ridiculous lol.
Why bother with logic when you can have your self-wanking power fantasy?
It’s made even worse by the fact we don’t see anyone treat her any different, the only one who did was Weiss who can be immediately be disregarded because she was still acting like a snooty brat.
There are some implied jaune and pyrah moments. It is siad in the volumes jaune and pyrah train every day. Pyrah was shown to be jaune support as an example when jaune tells pyrah that his family, which are warriors and heroes, do not belive in him. Yet purah dose. All of that is in the volume.
I will be honest i would be perfectly ok with there being absolutely no shipping in this show.
*me just casually sipping Mercury and Emerald tea*
I'd be volleying for Emerald and Mercury more if Mercury got to actually be a character. Maybe some day
@@twiinsiink That would be nice! I mean, in the most recent volume we got to see a bit more to him, and that was nice.
You say you didn't make this video to prove you could do better than the writers, but if you did
id agree.
One thing, I really don't like about the show is Flanderisation and how that affects the ships.
That's an easy I have too. In Vol 5 and just shipping culture in general, makes the character caricatures of themselves.
like everything you said except the Ruby and Oscar pair I don't want them to be together I'm not really into the fandom and shipping ppl w/ other ppl but Ruby and Oscar isn't something I want to see. I personally wouldn't want Ruby to fall in love w/ anyone
Agreed. Ruby & Oscar is just gross.
@Connor Rowand 😂👍
And then the angry BMBLB shippers say "BLACKSUN IS FORCED!"...PLEASE 👏 WATCH 👏 THIS 👏 VIDEO 👏
@@crab5862 I still ship it. Can't stop me.
@@crab5862 who said I will cry if blacksun does not happen? I'm not THAT kind of a fan girl. I'm just saying this to you because you think I'm a toxic shipper and to tell you I am not. I do not ship BMBLB and I don't care for it. If you ship it BE MY GUEST! because I really don't care what you ship. It does not concern me. I'm just upset that some angry TOXIC BMBLB shippers always say "blacksun is forced" when you like a ship you're devoted to you it and when someone says something bad, you get upset about it. That's why I made this comment.
bumblebee is something ive never understood why the fandom wants it to be canon so bad... im all here for canon wlw but it feels like it came out of nowhere?? and im just like why these two in particular (and why not the superior RUBY/WEISS)
I strongly agree with you, and this was one of the things I was annoyed with the ships. Like jaune's was so affected like Pyrrha and jaune have been dating for a year or two. Blake and yang became close without even talking about their feeling to each other. Sun and Blake were together majority of the volume, especially 4 and 5. I even realize what you pointed out about Ren and Nora which I didn't notice.
Winter and Qrow is the same, they only chat for one episode and gave some little hints that they might have a past together and suddenly people are a die fan of Snowbird. They didn't even interact after that, and a ship was born. I like the ships they have but its all too confusing. I hope they do better with rose garden, if it happens.
I'm still hoping that Freezerburn is gonna snake the win. Not a Freezerburn fan, but considering the moments Weiss and Yang had in volume 5 its a least something, where Bumblebee (at least in a narrative sense) just came right the fuck out of no where. Ruby will probably end up with Oscar or Jaune (possibly Weiss, but who knows) and *HOPEFULLY* volume 7 is more Weiss development that Yang helps with given Yang is shown to be more maternal and can facilitate Weiss's lack of a family and it would be a nice parallel since Weiss and Yang were both there for each other in volume 5 and that Blake and Yang decide they're better off as friends. Since there's still kind of a lot of baggage between them, Blake literally just killed someone she once loved so it be weird if she jumped into another relationship right after that, and the two honestly have every reason to stay friends given how little they've interacted
But IDK anymore, at this point I feel like its the Superbowl and you have Bumblebee and the underdog nobody expects to win, Freezerburn, and I'm just rooting for *ANYTHING* besides Bumblebee. Cause the writers honestly did nothing right when writing for this. Bumblebee is just broken from the ground up and you stop Blacksun dead in its tracks when that subplot *HAD* development, *HAD* chemistry, *HAD* time, but they dragged it out for over 5 volumes and said "okay, now we're doing Bumblebee"
wlfmanjack Oh I’m definitely looking forward to some casual Freezerburn and Monochrome moments. Yang will protect and Blake has experience in an abusive relationship so she should be able to quickly read Weiss’ body langue
Just want to mention the editing in your videos is excellent. Nothing fancy, no shitty Tumblr gifs. Just relevant footage from the show and on point annotations.
Thank you :)
@@twiinsiink also the thumbnail art is kawaii af and not clickbaity, which is very rare nowadays.
Looking forward to your thoughts on the last few chapters of volume 6. (especially the """epic""" mech fight)
Keep up the great work! :)
blake and yang are cute together, sure. but i don’t like it because i think it throws off the TEAM dynamic. i’d rather they had put blake with sun or even ilia.
The team does feel really separated now
Agreed, if they kept their team attack dynamic, dating or not, itd have been better
@@twiinsiink yeah they really only seem to interact with certain people: Weiss hangs with Ruby, Blake hangs with Yang.