I like how it mixes things up with some sympathetic villains like Nocturna and Two-Face, some that are criminals but not completely evil like Catwoman, some that are fake tragic like Clayface and Gentleman Ghost, some that are pure evil like Penguin, and some that are just there for the ride like Onomonapia. You need to have a mix of different villains to make a great series, that's what made the original animated series so great.
This was a very middling show for me. I didn't hate it, but I found a lot of decisions to be influenced by the message. Jim and Barbara Gordon being black made sense given how Jim was Black in the 2022 movie. But characters like Harley being a somewhat heavy-set aisan woman felt like a pointless change. Penguin, being a supposedly beautiful show-girl/singer, seemed antithetical to the original concept. And Harvey being a bit of a misogynist before turning into 2 face seemed redundant. Not to mention I find it odd how 1930's Gotham City, which supposedly takes place in New Jersey, by the way, has more cultural diversity than modern day New York. However I did like somethings. Batman had a couple emotional moments that I feel were well handled, and Harley Quinn's mentor being casually mentioned to be Johnathan Crane was a nice subtle clue to her being some sort of extremist.
I agree but Lex does not appear often in the most consumed media (movies & TV) also most people's mind currently hops to Harley Quinn and the Joker, and in both of those cases they are seen as symbols for rebelling against the system. If Lex got more shine and more presence in the general media I would even be willing to say that he may affect the current standard of what we perceive to be a villain.
Spoiler I like how sinister joker already feels in his teaser. It looks like they’re going with the OG golden age joker where he was more of a cold calculating psychopath instead of the maniacal flamboyant clown. Plus his joker venom is as horrific as ever.
I 100% agree and can't wait to see how his decisions impact the world in the broad being that this worlds has more crooked cops and Thorne having what feels like everybody working for him in someway or another. I feel like he may have to do something OVER THE TOP to make a statement and continually out do himself every time he is on screen.
@@Mag.Media_it would be awesome if half of season 2 Thorne seems like the big bad thinking he’s king of the world then put of nowhere joker declares war on the mob and Batman alike just because he wants to hog the spotlight.
Ah, the villains who were evil for evil's sake. Classic. Sure we like how modern villains are portrayed and have some sympathy, and in some cases even agree with their methods, but when we get the classic evil villain, it just goes to show how much we miss that kind. Really the only villain who comes close to being sympathetic is Harley, and for once, it's not because of Joker. In fact, this is a rare instance where she predates him.
I agree, and I feel like you need to switch it around with different villains. My favorite are the ones with no backstory or motive but still plenty depth like Michael Myers.
I dunno about that. Quinn in this show, is her own character. Not living in the Shadow of the Joker and definitely not a character to praise into gross popularity. It's a refreshing take.
The Quinn is this show is a vigilante like Batman, she did what she did because she was disgusted with the lack of personal growth of her victims. They wouldn’t change so she forced it. This is her idea of how to change Gotham…hopefully she comes back in a bigger role she has potential to be this version of Batman’s Riddler (from the Pattinson movie). At the very least she gives Batman a more interesting mental challenge
@@Teddy3230-u4d Not really, she doesn't claim anything in fact. She is just doing it for kicks and giggles. She did make them donate their money and hates the rich.. but nothing specific to give any background or claim. You dont get any background so she probably didnt grow up poor. She literally has her own butler.
@@emm6101I guess we don’t get her background, maybe in a later season, but she has said in that episode that she’s disgusted of hearing all the messed up things the rich people she sees do and how they have little self reflection or growth. We don’t know what she’s heard, but because of how corrupt Gotham is we can assume it’s stuff that’ll make you guilty for knowing and doing nothing about. In a way, she is a vigilante like Batman but with more self indulgence and hint of psychopathy (with all the weird costumes and torture and all) as opposed to Batman using immediate violence to clear criminals and letting the justice system handle the rest (which is faulty cuz Gotham)
I definitely think he could have been and I don't mind that characterization. I think though that after he went on the revenge streak that it is harder to make that argument.
@@pietrolupo2717 This is valid but this goes back into why I said that I don't mind the characterization I just think its a more debatable case than other villains in the series thus far.
For me personally I do like them and think that there is a place for them but I think that there is no villain diversity anymore, more times than not I feel like writers are doing their best to compel me to feel sorry for the villain or relate to him in one way or another.
Sometimes we want villains who wear the term with pride. No tragic backstories, no complex nuanced views, some of us long for the gory days of the classic Disney Villains, like Maleficent.
The problem is that they ruin that when the plot says we should feel sorry for that even though they are obviously cretinous assholes. Like that redhead in Falcon and the Winter Soldier, or Grabiel Agreste in Miraculous Ladybug.
I didn't and don't hate it. I just don't think there should be a reason for me to sympathize with someone who wanted to create a NEW ICE AGE in Gotham City over one person.
@@Mag.Media_ BTAS Freeze worked better than Schumacher Freeze. His original goal was getting revenge against the men who turned him into what he was, then when he got the offer of saving Nora, he went for it, eventually leading to Batman helping him find a cure for her....... only for the New Batman Adventures to pretty much take away whatever happy ending he had.
I enjoyed the take on them as well. Bullock to me is closer to how I think some people wanted him in the original BTAS. I think that Thorne while solid felt like more of a vehicle for Harvey's story and I am interested in how Thorne and Bullock will progress into the story. I have not seen Doug Walker's video, I'll do my best to go find it.
Thanks for taking the time to put this video together. I binged the season last weekend, and I'd give it closer to a 9. I'm surprised at all the outrage over it, and happy you'd throw it a "good" rating.
We are closer in agreement than not I just don't want to shoot that high because I've always felt that if a show deviates even slightly in the following season I could be setting myself up to be let down.
@@Mag.Media_ Cause batman villans aren't supposed to be pure evil (except for the joker). His villans are the living proof asto why he doesn't kill cause they aren't pure evil, killer crock was abused by everyone as a child and lost the only friend he had to a giant crocodile attack, then started staying in sewers so he doesn't have to interact with society, and Mr.freeze just wants to make his wife live and poison ivy is just a reverse vegan. Even redhood points out he didn't want to kill Mr.freeze or Harvey dent cause they can be changed since they all have a bit of humanity in them and wants to kill the joker cause he can't be redeemed
@Mag.Media_ well for onomatopoeia and The gentleman ghost, they weren't featured much in terms of being foes of batman, and clayface I liked how this version is very similar to his golden age appearance in terms of design, with ckay powers of course.
Yeah the show has a lot of problems. It displays an America of the 1950's where they erased the history of racism. The very old gender swap trope, its been going on for twenty years now, its old and its boring. The fifteen year old race swap, old. Depicting the penguin as an obese hook nosed crone as attractive, its just so gross and unappealing. Watch the original Batman the Animated Series, the writing and the plot is so much better than this boring, predictable tripe.
While I think you can criticize as you see fit. One of the original writers of the show is quite literally a creator of the current show. Racism is not a factor because it is not a piece that is meant to clearly be impacted by the time it may be placed in. And both the gender swap and race swap trope you may not like them but they don't impact the show. Based on the critiques you laid out, you yourself seem to only have a problem with character design decisions and that has nothing to do with the overall writing or plot at this point. The DNA is present and I think CC could prove to be better than the original BTAS, this current format seems to just not be for you IMO.
@@Mag.Media_ one of the writers came back for doctor who, how's that going again? You do know that WB dropped this show because they saw it as trash and amazon picked it up, right?
Nope. Originally WB wanted a BTAS revival as a way to entice people to join what we now know to simply be Max and when Bruce Timm said that he didn't want to that, he was dropped.
@@rybald1973 Oi, don't bring Doctor Who into this, Doctor Who is fantastic, of course it has it flaws, but literally every shows does. I like the new season of Doctor Who a lot. Russel is doing something new to Doctor Who which I am excited to see more of. And to stay in topic I also love Batman: The Caped Crusader, really fun villains, I want to see how they will portray the Scarecrow.
This is not Batman. This is a show where a man in a cape shows up to help solve crimes as a seco dary character. Don't waste your time with this woke garbage. Watch the OG Batman the Animated Series with great writing great animation,, and great storytelling. Jar Jar Abrams ruins another franchise.
,.........you realize this is made and run by Bruce Timm.....the guy who created the original series.....but I suppose bigots arent that smart to figure out basic info
I mean it's literally in the era of Batman's career where he's seen as a myth to most of Gotham, the show making him a secondary character enforces the myth and mystery of The Batman for the audience's perspective.
Yeah , do not waste your time on this woke nonsense , instead watch the the OG BTAS , where we see things like Clayface being gay and changing his gender on the fly , or Harley Quinn leaving the Joker and trying to be independent herself working with Poison Ivy , or how about Baby Doll and her disdain and frustration for not being taken serious by society because she looks like a little girl in the same way people with disabilitys are trated , you know. Things that real strait men watch.
I like how it mixes things up with some sympathetic villains like Nocturna and Two-Face, some that are criminals but not completely evil like Catwoman, some that are fake tragic like Clayface and Gentleman Ghost, some that are pure evil like Penguin, and some that are just there for the ride like Onomonapia. You need to have a mix of different villains to make a great series, that's what made the original animated series so great.
One thing I like about Quinn, is instead of a insane woman, it leans more with her Psychology of her.
that's odd.
This was a very middling show for me. I didn't hate it, but I found a lot of decisions to be influenced by the message. Jim and Barbara Gordon being black made sense given how Jim was Black in the 2022 movie. But characters like Harley being a somewhat heavy-set aisan woman felt like a pointless change. Penguin, being a supposedly beautiful show-girl/singer, seemed antithetical to the original concept. And Harvey being a bit of a misogynist before turning into 2 face seemed redundant. Not to mention I find it odd how 1930's Gotham City, which supposedly takes place in New Jersey, by the way, has more cultural diversity than modern day New York. However I did like somethings. Batman had a couple emotional moments that I feel were well handled, and Harley Quinn's mentor being casually mentioned to be Johnathan Crane was a nice subtle clue to her being some sort of extremist.
I completely missed the Johnathan crane thing oh wow!!!!
If you want traditional villains Lex Luther exist and he still hate Superman and he steals 40 cakes
I agree but Lex does not appear often in the most consumed media (movies & TV) also most people's mind currently hops to Harley Quinn and the Joker, and in both of those cases they are seen as symbols for rebelling against the system. If Lex got more shine and more presence in the general media I would even be willing to say that he may affect the current standard of what we perceive to be a villain.
@@Mag.Media_lex gonna appear in Superman & Lois that show got the perfect version of lex
oh man that's like four tens of cakes, how dastardly!
Spoiler
I like how sinister joker already feels in his teaser. It looks like they’re going with the OG golden age joker where he was more of a cold calculating psychopath instead of the maniacal flamboyant clown. Plus his joker venom is as horrific as ever.
I 100% agree and can't wait to see how his decisions impact the world in the broad being that this worlds has more crooked cops and Thorne having what feels like everybody working for him in someway or another. I feel like he may have to do something OVER THE TOP to make a statement and continually out do himself every time he is on screen.
@@Mag.Media_it would be awesome if half of season 2 Thorne seems like the big bad thinking he’s king of the world then put of nowhere joker declares war on the mob and Batman alike just because he wants to hog the spotlight.
@@JokerFan-hj4iv OH I LOVE THE WAY YOU THINK. That would be PERFECT.
You spoiled nothing.
Everything's O.K.
Ah, the villains who were evil for evil's sake. Classic. Sure we like how modern villains are portrayed and have some sympathy, and in some cases even agree with their methods, but when we get the classic evil villain, it just goes to show how much we miss that kind. Really the only villain who comes close to being sympathetic is Harley, and for once, it's not because of Joker. In fact, this is a rare instance where she predates him.
I agree, and I feel like you need to switch it around with different villains. My favorite are the ones with no backstory or motive but still plenty depth like Michael Myers.
Quinn was never what she is in this, she comes from batman the animated series. And frankly in this depiction she lacked total motivation.
I dunno about that. Quinn in this show, is her own character. Not living in the Shadow of the Joker and definitely not a character to praise into gross popularity. It's a refreshing take.
@@spottedslash4256 She never had any actual motivation, none is given or explained. She came off as extremely bland.
The Quinn is this show is a vigilante like Batman, she did what she did because she was disgusted with the lack of personal growth of her victims. They wouldn’t change so she forced it. This is her idea of how to change Gotham…hopefully she comes back in a bigger role she has potential to be this version of Batman’s Riddler (from the Pattinson movie). At the very least she gives Batman a more interesting mental challenge
@@Teddy3230-u4d Not really, she doesn't claim anything in fact. She is just doing it for kicks and giggles. She did make them donate their money and hates the rich.. but nothing specific to give any background or claim. You dont get any background so she probably didnt grow up poor. She literally has her own butler.
@@emm6101I guess we don’t get her background, maybe in a later season, but she has said in that episode that she’s disgusted of hearing all the messed up things the rich people she sees do and how they have little self reflection or growth. We don’t know what she’s heard, but because of how corrupt Gotham is we can assume it’s stuff that’ll make you guilty for knowing and doing nothing about. In a way, she is a vigilante like Batman but with more self indulgence and hint of psychopathy (with all the weird costumes and torture and all) as opposed to Batman using immediate violence to clear criminals and letting the justice system handle the rest (which is faulty cuz Gotham)
I feel like two face was kind of tragic and sympathetic though.
I definitely think he could have been and I don't mind that characterization. I think though that after he went on the revenge streak that it is harder to make that argument.
@@Mag.Media_ he did sacrifice himself in the finale thats pretty sympathetick
@@pietrolupo2717 This is valid but this goes back into why I said that I don't mind the characterization I just think its a more debatable case than other villains in the series thus far.
So you don't like tragic villains? Or complex villains?
And that's ok. There are great pure evil villains. Like Darth sidious, The Dark Knight's Joker, Darkseid, etc
For me personally I do like them and think that there is a place for them but I think that there is no villain diversity anymore, more times than not I feel like writers are doing their best to compel me to feel sorry for the villain or relate to him in one way or another.
@@Mag.Media_ We need more people like you
Sometimes we want villains who wear the term with pride. No tragic backstories, no complex nuanced views, some of us long for the gory days of the classic Disney Villains, like Maleficent.
The problem is that they ruin that when the plot says we should feel sorry for that even though they are obviously cretinous assholes. Like that redhead in Falcon and the Winter Soldier, or Grabiel Agreste in Miraculous Ladybug.
3:05 Hating on the Mr. Freeze tragic villain backstory: Maybe the worst take of the century 😅🤣
I didn't and don't hate it. I just don't think there should be a reason for me to sympathize with someone who wanted to create a NEW ICE AGE in Gotham City over one person.
@@Mag.Media_ BTAS Freeze worked better than Schumacher Freeze. His original goal was getting revenge against the men who turned him into what he was, then when he got the offer of saving Nora, he went for it, eventually leading to Batman helping him find a cure for her....... only for the New Batman Adventures to pretty much take away whatever happy ending he had.
What you think of Rupert Thorne and the corrupt cops like bullock and have you see doug walker video about it?
I enjoyed the take on them as well. Bullock to me is closer to how I think some people wanted him in the original BTAS. I think that Thorne while solid felt like more of a vehicle for Harvey's story and I am interested in how Thorne and Bullock will progress into the story. I have not seen Doug Walker's video, I'll do my best to go find it.
Traditional villains ?? OSWALDA COBBLEPOT
is a traditional villain ??? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yes. Traditional in actual character type
@@Mag.Media_
Fish Mooney in Gotham. Traditional villain.
Marsha Queen of Diamonds from the 1960s Adam West TV series. Traditional villain.
@@Mag.Media_
MADAME PENGUINA in
Batman : The Cringe Crusader.
😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 🤣
@@chazarcola7639 What exactly do you think I mean? When I say traditional?
@@Mag.Media_
You don't think Fish Mooney or Marsha Queen of Diamonds are traditional villains ??
Thanks for taking the time to put this video together. I binged the season last weekend, and I'd give it closer to a 9. I'm surprised at all the outrage over it, and happy you'd throw it a "good" rating.
We are closer in agreement than not I just don't want to shoot that high because I've always felt that if a show deviates even slightly in the following season I could be setting myself up to be let down.
I like this show
Wait, where is this show airing? I've missed out on this one. How can I see it? Thanks.
You can find it on Amazon Prime. All 10 episodes are out and available to watch.
I wish the riddler was in it
I think he'll be there in season 2
but the female villains are thick tho
😂😂😂
Lame villains you mean.
Why do you say that?
@@Mag.Media_ Cause batman villans aren't supposed to be pure evil (except for the joker). His villans are the living proof asto why he doesn't kill cause they aren't pure evil, killer crock was abused by everyone as a child and lost the only friend he had to a giant crocodile attack, then started staying in sewers so he doesn't have to interact with society, and Mr.freeze just wants to make his wife live and poison ivy is just a reverse vegan. Even redhood points out he didn't want to kill Mr.freeze or Harvey dent cause they can be changed since they all have a bit of humanity in them and wants to kill the joker cause he can't be redeemed
@Vasanth-CS But there were tragic villians; like the vampire girl (forgot her name, but liked the episode) and Hervey Dent.
@@Vasanth-CS yet you all excuse Poison Ivy because shes sympathetic
@@alexfalton3985Natália Knight Aka Nocturna.
She was my favorite villain on the show.
My top 3 favorite villains from this show are Onomopoteia, Clayface, and The Gentleman Ghost
I loved clayface as well, why did you like your 3 as much as you did?
@Mag.Media_ well for onomatopoeia and The gentleman ghost, they weren't featured much in terms of being foes of batman, and clayface I liked how this version is very similar to his golden age appearance in terms of design, with ckay powers of course.
Imagine if Spider-Man got a show like this
I would love that
I'd like it to be a sort of reference to the 60s era he was created in.
@@M01eFANatic79yeah and also be subversive
Yeah the show has a lot of problems. It displays an America of the 1950's where they erased the history of racism. The very old gender swap trope, its been going on for twenty years now, its old and its boring. The fifteen year old race swap, old. Depicting the penguin as an obese hook nosed crone as attractive, its just so gross and unappealing. Watch the original Batman the Animated Series, the writing and the plot is so much better than this boring, predictable tripe.
While I think you can criticize as you see fit. One of the original writers of the show is quite literally a creator of the current show. Racism is not a factor because it is not a piece that is meant to clearly be impacted by the time it may be placed in. And both the gender swap and race swap trope you may not like them but they don't impact the show. Based on the critiques you laid out, you yourself seem to only have a problem with character design decisions and that has nothing to do with the overall writing or plot at this point. The DNA is present and I think CC could prove to be better than the original BTAS, this current format seems to just not be for you IMO.
@@Mag.Media_ one of the writers came back for doctor who, how's that going again? You do know that WB dropped this show because they saw it as trash and amazon picked it up, right?
Nope. Originally WB wanted a BTAS revival as a way to entice people to join what we now know to simply be Max and when Bruce Timm said that he didn't want to that, he was dropped.
Thanks for the warning, friend.
@@rybald1973 Oi, don't bring Doctor Who into this, Doctor Who is fantastic, of course it has it flaws, but literally every shows does. I like the new season of Doctor Who a lot. Russel is doing something new to Doctor Who which I am excited to see more of. And to stay in topic I also love Batman: The Caped Crusader, really fun villains, I want to see how they will portray the Scarecrow.
Crap
This is not Batman. This is a show where a man in a cape shows up to help solve crimes as a seco dary character. Don't waste your time with this woke garbage. Watch the OG Batman the Animated Series with great writing great animation,, and great storytelling. Jar Jar Abrams ruins another franchise.
,.........you realize this is made and run by Bruce Timm.....the guy who created the original series.....but I suppose bigots arent that smart to figure out basic info
Thanks for the warning, friend.
I mean it's literally in the era of Batman's career where he's seen as a myth to most of Gotham, the show making him a secondary character enforces the myth and mystery of The Batman for the audience's perspective.
Yeah , do not waste your time on this woke nonsense , instead watch the the OG BTAS , where we see things like Clayface being gay and changing his gender on the fly , or Harley Quinn leaving the Joker and trying to be independent herself working with Poison Ivy , or how about Baby Doll and her disdain and frustration for not being taken serious by society because she looks like a little girl in the same way people with disabilitys are trated , you know. Things that real strait men watch.
This show is trash