To be fair it seems like the best course of action after imagining what would happen if the idea for supercharged shootaz came to the rest of the ork population
It's just an empty silo that they believe can move, won't fill with water, is always filled with air, and is full of consoles and has all kinds of weapons around it.
imagine being a 300yo space marine whose seen it all, expecting a routine Ork extermination with minimal if any casualties only to watch one of your brothers have his power armour blown clean through instantly in one shot the moment you land and realising as the shots keep coming this isn't a single super weapon but all the enemy guns
So, a normal encounter with the enemy then. Space marines regularly fight enemies that can piece their armor with no problem or worse. They all know one day they're going to die in battle, It's not really a surprise. As for veterans getting randomly killed by some lucky grunt, meh, that happens a lot in real life too, that's war. Sometimes luck is really the only thing keeping you alive.
Nah. More that they realize how they're little different to the meek mortals they're consistently lording themselves over. They've been reduced to using actual cover, reconnaissance, and having to keep their heads down, instead of being the zealous shock assault troops they were created to replace with their long shelf life.
@@venom0825 You type a lot while also missing the point. Expecting to have your armor pierced by necrons or elves is one thing but the usual drop to kill some orcs is entirely different. Losing a terminator to small arms fire is unheard of not "a normal encounter"
@bovineintervention276 the enemy bringing a weapon that can hurt even your big boys is indeed very normal in war, Especially in 40k. Ork have shown time and time again that there weapons are very dangerous, logic defying and can melt practically anything the imperium has. They are not an enemy the imperium underestimate. Practice every faction has something that can turn even a terminator to nothing, small arms or not. So again, a normal engagement. Don't talk to me about "missing the point" when you don't even have a point for I to miss.
The Thunderhawk performed a danger close on an Ork strongpoint, so close that Sgt Scipio (the tactical marine sarge from Assault on Black Reach) actually said that it was a highly risky maneuver.
I'd say losing a terminator and a dozen space marines to deny the orks a weapon that one shots you and your brothers is a sacrifice well worth making, imagine if that tech made it off world to other ork waaaghs, it would be a bloodbath.
That wasn't what they died for. A shoota that kills space marines is an exterminatus level threat. If they had failed to recover the guns, they would have destroyed the whole planet. Those space marines died to save the remaining inhabitants. That's what was barely worth the sacrifice of so many space marines.
It's been said once, it will be said again. The only reason the galaxy isn't just fully controlled by Orcs, is because they like fighting too much to co-operate long terms. It takes a single warboss with a halfway decent idea, and a few months of co-operation to bulldoze the Imperium.
@@kiritotheabridgedgod4178Yes but thats because the imperium is aware that killing the biggest ork means they fall into dissaray. Now if the orks decided to make that harder for the imperium by making guns that could easily take down the best the imperium has to offer then waaaghs could far more easily spiral out of control. Though now that I think about it why doesnt the imperium just send those fancy assasins to kill the biggest and baddest orks? Sure would still be a planet infested by orks but would make them alot easier to combat in any scenario.
The way ork genetic knowledge and technology works, that super weapon technology wasn’t even “lost forever”. When a waagh goes on for long enough, they unlock more and more tech. Thus, I can assure you, those super weapons can and will make a reappearance
@@Hyde-dg7ef I couldn’t tell you to be honest. I vaguely remember seeing yarrick (or however he is spelled) in an old ass white dwarf (like one of the first 30 or something), so it’s probably 1st or 2nd edition lore
@@Hyde-dg7ef given that its a river it means that either the river was realy deep or the orks didnt know how deep it truly was so their subs partialy dove through rock.....
Knowing Orkz, it probably was just a slightly bigger shoota with a dial on it that has the number "11" on it to represent it being supercharged and that's it
@@prodb4sed382 Yes, the design for far superior tech is already in their genes. Once they gather enough Waaagh energy from facing a good enough foe they’ll be back to building battle moons or given challenge things from The War in Heaven. They’re not dissimilar from the AbMech really. All their tinkering really is just rediscovering greater tech from the past
@@prodb4sed382 - the marines got rid of that knowledge by exterminating them "Exterminating them" how exactly? Orks are mushrooms, the only way to completely exterminate them is to use Exterminatus on the planet they are on.
Honestly, a Terminator and some battle brothers are an acceptable loss if it prevents the War for Armageddon from becoming super lethal for anyone in powered armor. Not counting lighter vehicles from the guard like Sentinels, Chimeras, weapon batteries, etc. that the Ork weapons could decimate.
An exterminatus order would have prevented that just as well, which means those space marines died to protect a few billion imperial subjects. Truly just barely worth it.
To be fair, I don't think the space marines really contribute much since there are far too few of them to make a difference in battle (1000 space marines in a chapter), especially considering how a typical army might have millions of weapons that can defeat space marines such as leman russ tanks and xv8 crisis suits.
@@Verrin_the_Wyvern without space marines, Imperium stand no chance. It was space marines who were able to drove back War of the beast, hive fleet....etc
Barely worth it because Sicarius lost 12 line brothers. 100+years of training each. Plus a termie. That'a veteran with even more experience and skills. Plus a wrecked suit of termie armor, which is extremely hard to repair, let alone build. Lost 12 out of 100 fully trained Astartes. So yeah.... barely worth it 😢
@@alexhulea2735considering the other result could have been mass spreading of a weapon that could pierce even the thickest armor of a space marine, let alone anything that moved, I’d say it was massively worth it when you remove personal costs.
Keeping orcs in check and erasing deadly anti-marine technology is only worth a terminator and a few marines? I would’ve thought that’d be an awesome trade
12 space Marines is a huge investment of roughly a decade or so of training each. That's 12% of a company and over 120 years of training was lost. A terminator is a century+ old veteran possessing large amounts of operational experience and knowledge. That's not a loss that can be easily replaced. It takes around 120 man-years to do the basic induction process, and the combat experience of a terminator isn't easily acquired.
Hilarious, given Orks knowledge comes from their psychic link (I.e the more Orks there are the more mekboyz, weirdboyz etc. appear) Zanzag's Waagh was tiny. Like only 10,000 orks tiny, most Waaagh's that get mentioned are the big ones that have hundreds of thousands of orks sometimes millions, like that's (not including pdf or any kind of fire support thunderhawk etc) 100 orks per marinewhich for the tabletop would be impressive but for the lore it's a huge stain on the smurfs for getting bodied by the smallest Waagh in existence
And that makes their extermination super worth it.If it could unlock this tech at this size,who knows what would be unleashed if they became a proper WAAAGH.
Well, those Hive Cities were a lost cause for the Imperium either way, saving them would have meant getting at least some production capacity back on the planet, but killing the Warboss meant no other planets would meet the same fate.
If the hive cities really were a lost cause, they would have just peaced out and destroyed the whole planet from orbit. No, the space marines died to save what was left of the planet. That's why it was only barely worth it.
I'm just imagined the creating process of this weapon. - zagzag coming to boiz with slightly bigger shoota "Hey ya boiz. I got new shoota that can blow that big blue hummies with one daka". "Sure boss, dat must have more daka, cause it was bigger" 😅
Honestly, kind of a W for Cato. Seriously. Letting Orks figure out that kind of firepower is a major threat to literally everything, let alone your brother space marines. Guns that powerful proliferating amongst an enemy as numerous as the Orks would spell a massive disaster, making a terminator and 12 marines not even a blip on the radar.
Space Marines are one of the largest and most powerful military factions in the Imperium of Man. Their standard armor is on par with many culture's Main Battle Tanks. Thus, a weapon that could fatally one-shot a Space Marine has the potential to be an absolute strategic threat to Imperial and Galactic security. I'd say Cato made the right prioritization. Civilians may not have liked it, but the consequences of not making that decision if the tech spread are not worth considering.
Space Marines don't rely entirely on their power armor, they face threats that can penetrate it all the time. They use speed of aggression and tactics to overwhelm foes, if their armor protects them then that's a bonus.
Painfull sellection, training, adaptation, surgeries and unique armour to make a single astartes... orks shoot him with a single daka... ehhh 40K scrapping at the bottom of a barrel.
ANY ork mechaniak can make a super charged shoota...if you just believe that it is, it shall be. Hell, imagine of the idea of an Ork Primarch started sweeping through them...oh wait. Ghazkull.
Ork weapons not being able to hurt space marines sounds like imperial propaganda. The smurfs just got complacent and it cost them. To claim the orks had super special rare guns is just poor writing.
Oh man I remember reading this narrative battle report in whitedwarf as a kid. The ork submersible was what made me fall in love with orks and buy the assault on black reach boxset.
The best thing about any ork battle is they pretty much only lose because they believe they can lose. If orks believe they can kill a space Marine with one shot, then they will be able to, given there are enough other orks in the wargh that also belive that to be the case. Pretty much all ork weaponry only works because they believe it does. Red paint actually does make ork vehicles faster, just because they believe it does.
Orks would have probably ditched the gun eventually since they live to fight and killing an enemy too fast is no fun. After all, they let Commissar Yarik free because they wanted good enemies to fight.
"Lost forever," he says, like the 'technology' wasn't just Zanzag deciding to try and make a gun that shoots harder. They'll reappear the next time an ork warboss has that thought.
"I, CATO SICARIUS CAUGHT THE ORKS IN COMPLETE DISARRAY" "Um... When are the orks ever in arra-" "IT WAS A MARVELOUS DISPLAY OF TACTICS AS I, CATO SICARIUS SLAYED THE WRETCHED GREEN BEASTS"
CORRECTION, It will remain lost until Games Workshop decides it’s needed again lol Maybe even Ghaz Ghoul (probably spelt his name wrong) will be using them against Khorne Berserkers! And other chaos space marines
'...Lost a terminator and a dozen Space Marines to prevent Orks from having a one shot weapon...' Death Korps of Kreig *in unison* : 'Sounds like a normal Monday .'
I don’t think that any Space Marine would ever say it wasn't worth it, they accomplished the mission, snuffed out a technology that would ABSOLUTELY have been a problem galaxy wide had it been permitted to spread, and the 12 died a glorious death on the field of battle in the name of the God Emperor...sounds to me like everything a Space Marine could want and more
Supacharged shootas capable of one-shotting Space Marines would attrition their forces to unacceptable levels. Abandoning defense of the Hive cities in pursuit of hunting down the main encampment of these xenos before the Supacharged Shootas could kill too many Space Marines was a bold and daring plan, and thats why it would work, and thats why they were Ultramarines. The best of the best, First of the Emperors Men 👍😁
Yeah the guy made the right call to neutralize the superior gun manufacture line. The losses are like nothing compared to taking out a stompa/gargant garage city. Priorities man. It'll be another 100 years till another mad scientist level like Zan appears, and it's not even likely their comparable science would result in a hyper shoota, it could be in armor that orks are told makes you invisible but doesn't but it don't matter it makes you braver, or another shade of red... that's the same shade of red but faster, or something just equally dumb, like hyper sporing, they spore and grow twice as fast but are twice as dumb.
To be fair, the "technology" behind superchatged shootas might just be Orks not realizing thay Space Marines are meant to be tougher than the average Humie.
Destroyed weapon technology powerful enough to beat the Imperium and lost practially nothing relevant in the big stategic picture, concludes that the Mission was barely worth it. Is this AI or human idi*cy?
Of course they prioritised taking out Zanzag over defending. A xenos who can mass produce anti space marine munitions is an easy exterminatus class threat. So by going after Zanzag the old fashioned way, they were in fact protecting the hive cities. Just not from the orkz.
Obviously the orks lost. It was ultramarines. Was hoping for a story in which the ultramarines would finally not win, but then I remembered that they were ultramarines.
Salamanders would have been holding the humans hands and jumping in front of shots. Aka needless casualties of soldiers that take 100s of years to make and replace for a single human. Idk how anyone likes them lol. Just like them because “they like humans” bruh this is grim dark
Remember that ork weapons and vehicles only work because orks think that they should work. This means that that these supercharged weapons were not actually better designed, but rather, the orks just believed that they were supercharged.
Barely worth it? If that warboss had grown to a full blown waaagh, or joined ghazghull, they would've been unstoppable The losses were high, but failure could have very easily resulted in the end of the imperium
“Lost a couple dozen, +1 terminator”. “It was barely worth it” I mean considering it was a weapon that reduced an entire planet to 3 hive cities and 1 shot space marines, I’d say that’s pretty well worth it
The toughest choices required the strongest of wills, thanks to Cato he stopped the orks from having super anti space marines and saved possibly millions of space marines but at what cost 😢 courage and honor
Considering how powerful the shootas were, they would have wreaked absolute havoc galaxy wide if the knowledge had gotten off world. So I think a dozen space marines and one terminator are a very worthy trade
I dunno, 13 marines lost in an attack in order to nip potential mass production of these thing in the bid seems worth it. High cost, yes. But if he werent eliminated and these things became common among the orks, how many hundreds of marines would be lost then? And stopping them would be an even harder taks if more rhan one knew how to make them.
I, Cato Sicarius have decided to hunt down Zanzag because I, Cato Sicarius, feel personally offended by Orks being that strong
The TTS voice is haunting me, Lol.
@@Konigshof
The TTS Cato Sicarius voice haunts all who have heard it, *there is no escape*
@Konigshof yea, i can't get it out of my head for all the good reasons, though
Im into wh40 sincr years but i didint know of tts, i got into a video last week, now i hate cato sicarius 😂
To be fair it seems like the best course of action after imagining what would happen if the idea for supercharged shootaz came to the rest of the ork population
"I, Cato Sicarius, am now very depressed."
I will never not read this in his TTS voice 😂
ultradepression
We need depressed Cato Sicarius
"How DARE they dampen the chipper mood of I CATO SICARIUS!"
I, Cato Sicarius, now have ultra depression
"Orc submarine" is certainly as combination of words
It's just an empty silo that they believe can move, won't fill with water, is always filled with air, and is full of consoles and has all kinds of weapons around it.
Similarly, the "ork submarine" is kinda a combination of parts
Diving: "BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB!"
Ascending: "WAGH WAGH WAGH WAGH!"
"Silent Running" on an Ork sub is just yelling WAAAAAAAAAAGH! slightly quieter than usual.
@@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy Its just a space ship that flys in water, don't over think it.
imagine being a 300yo space marine whose seen it all, expecting a routine Ork extermination with minimal if any casualties only to watch one of your brothers have his power armour blown clean through instantly in one shot the moment you land and realising as the shots keep coming this isn't a single super weapon but all the enemy guns
So, a normal encounter with the enemy then.
Space marines regularly fight enemies that can piece their armor with no problem or worse. They all know one day they're going to die in battle, It's not really a surprise.
As for veterans getting randomly killed by some lucky grunt, meh, that happens a lot in real life too, that's war. Sometimes luck is really the only thing keeping you alive.
Nah. More that they realize how they're little different to the meek mortals they're consistently lording themselves over. They've been reduced to using actual cover, reconnaissance, and having to keep their heads down, instead of being the zealous shock assault troops they were created to replace with their long shelf life.
“We took a calculated risk, but boy are we bad at math”
@@venom0825 You type a lot while also missing the point. Expecting to have your armor pierced by necrons or elves is one thing but the usual drop to kill some orcs is entirely different. Losing a terminator to small arms fire is unheard of not "a normal encounter"
@bovineintervention276 the enemy bringing a weapon that can hurt even your big boys is indeed very normal in war, Especially in 40k.
Ork have shown time and time again that there weapons are very dangerous, logic defying and can melt practically anything the imperium has. They are not an enemy the imperium underestimate.
Practice every faction has something that can turn even a terminator to nothing, small arms or not. So again, a normal engagement.
Don't talk to me about "missing the point" when you don't even have a point for I to miss.
"Clever use of a thunderhawk," eh? Sounds like something, "this is the greatest plaaan!" Charlie would say.
And there is an Ultramarine named Henricus Stickmanus. Who is just so incredibly lucky it defies all reason.
- I have a plan
- what plan?
- fucking good
The Thunderhawk performed a danger close on an Ork strongpoint, so close that Sgt Scipio (the tactical marine sarge from Assault on Black Reach) actually said that it was a highly risky maneuver.
"I, Cato Sicarius, can confirm that this is the greatest plan"
@@StressmanFIN And he was obviously a ultramarine that was the sole reason they got that far
I'd say losing a terminator and a dozen space marines to deny the orks a weapon that one shots you and your brothers is a sacrifice well worth making, imagine if that tech made it off world to other ork waaaghs, it would be a bloodbath.
That wasn't what they died for.
A shoota that kills space marines is an exterminatus level threat. If they had failed to recover the guns, they would have destroyed the whole planet. Those space marines died to save the remaining inhabitants. That's what was barely worth the sacrifice of so many space marines.
Seriously. The imperium would have been lost within a couple years at most
Good point, if it spread, that technology would be a strategic threat to everyone given how often the Orcs declare Waaghs on someone.
It's been said once, it will be said again. The only reason the galaxy isn't just fully controlled by Orcs, is because they like fighting too much to co-operate long terms. It takes a single warboss with a halfway decent idea, and a few months of co-operation to bulldoze the Imperium.
@@kiritotheabridgedgod4178Yes but thats because the imperium is aware that killing the biggest ork means they fall into dissaray. Now if the orks decided to make that harder for the imperium by making guns that could easily take down the best the imperium has to offer then waaaghs could far more easily spiral out of control.
Though now that I think about it why doesnt the imperium just send those fancy assasins to kill the biggest and baddest orks? Sure would still be a planet infested by orks but would make them alot easier to combat in any scenario.
Barely worth it? Idk about this story til now but it seems like they had to eliminate them at any cost to destroy that dangerous technology.
Over saving the planet. Not really
@@mordredpendragon1235 nah, a WAAGH with Shootas that strong? That could blitz the imperium
@@mordredpendragon1235
That's how they saved the planet...
@@mordredpendragon1235 they would've conquered many more planets with that technology lol
The way ork genetic knowledge and technology works, that super weapon technology wasn’t even “lost forever”. When a waagh goes on for long enough, they unlock more and more tech. Thus, I can assure you, those super weapons can and will make a reappearance
They finally added water vehicals to 40k
Finally? What do you mean? Black reach was the starter pack in the like 4th or 5th edition irrc
@@Hyde-dg7ef I couldn’t tell you to be honest. I vaguely remember seeing yarrick (or however he is spelled) in an old ass white dwarf (like one of the first 30 or something), so it’s probably 1st or 2nd edition lore
@@Hyde-dg7ef given that its a river it means that either the river was realy deep or the orks didnt know how deep it truly was so their subs partialy dove through rock.....
@Hyde-dg7ef Second War of Armageddon is 2nd Edition.
Navy has existed for a long long time. It just never serves a purpose on Tabletop.
bet ZanZag just found a space marine's bolter and thought "this shoots mini-missiles....could be bigger."
They had to use the strongest weapon the Imperium has: a named Mary Sue.
More like a Gary Stu, in this case.
Sicarius hasn't been a Gary Stu in a while now.
@@anjaneyasreetrout2444For he, Cato Sicarius, is the 9th champion of McCragge.
Ork knowledge getting lost yeah right lol another one will remember it eventually
Knowing Orkz, it probably was just a slightly bigger shoota with a dial on it that has the number "11" on it to represent it being supercharged and that's it
Knowledge about ork tech is saved and passed on through dna, so it'd make sense the marines got rid of that knowledge by exterminating them.
@@prodb4sed382 Yes, the design for far superior tech is already in their genes. Once they gather enough Waaagh energy from facing a good enough foe they’ll be back to building battle moons or given challenge things from The War in Heaven. They’re not dissimilar from the AbMech really. All their tinkering really is just rediscovering greater tech from the past
@@prodb4sed382 - the marines got rid of that knowledge by exterminating them
"Exterminating them" how exactly? Orks are mushrooms, the only way to completely exterminate them is to use Exterminatus on the planet they are on.
Why do they need "knowledge"?? All they have to do is believe something can do it.
Honestly, a Terminator and some battle brothers are an acceptable loss if it prevents the War for Armageddon from becoming super lethal for anyone in powered armor.
Not counting lighter vehicles from the guard like Sentinels, Chimeras, weapon batteries, etc. that the Ork weapons could decimate.
An exterminatus order would have prevented that just as well, which means those space marines died to protect a few billion imperial subjects. Truly just barely worth it.
Barely worth it?? Oh man, if millions of orks got their hands on such weapon, Imperium would've been gone long ago 😆
To be fair, I don't think the space marines really contribute much since there are far too few of them to make a difference in battle (1000 space marines in a chapter), especially considering how a typical army might have millions of weapons that can defeat space marines such as leman russ tanks and xv8 crisis suits.
@@Verrin_the_Wyvern without space marines, Imperium stand no chance. It was space marines who were able to drove back War of the beast, hive fleet....etc
@@Verrin_the_Wyvern 3 space marines are already an army, the Imperium would've lost long ago without them
Barely worth it because Sicarius lost 12 line brothers. 100+years of training each. Plus a termie. That'a veteran with even more experience and skills. Plus a wrecked suit of termie armor, which is extremely hard to repair, let alone build. Lost 12 out of 100 fully trained Astartes. So yeah.... barely worth it 😢
@@alexhulea2735considering the other result could have been mass spreading of a weapon that could pierce even the thickest armor of a space marine, let alone anything that moved, I’d say it was massively worth it when you remove personal costs.
Imagine how much fun this was for the orks
Keeping orcs in check and erasing deadly anti-marine technology is only worth a terminator and a few marines? I would’ve thought that’d be an awesome trade
12 space Marines is a huge investment of roughly a decade or so of training each. That's 12% of a company and over 120 years of training was lost. A terminator is a century+ old veteran possessing large amounts of operational experience and knowledge. That's not a loss that can be easily replaced. It takes around 120 man-years to do the basic induction process, and the combat experience of a terminator isn't easily acquired.
They did abandon the city to its fate and lose a good chunk of the men brought along so it was technically a win but the win didn’t mean much
Hilarious, given Orks knowledge comes from their psychic link (I.e the more Orks there are the more mekboyz, weirdboyz etc. appear) Zanzag's Waagh was tiny. Like only 10,000 orks tiny, most Waaagh's that get mentioned are the big ones that have hundreds of thousands of orks sometimes millions, like that's (not including pdf or any kind of fire support thunderhawk etc) 100 orks per marinewhich for the tabletop would be impressive but for the lore it's a huge stain on the smurfs for getting bodied by the smallest Waagh in existence
The plot armor faltered
And that makes their extermination super worth it.If it could unlock this tech at this size,who knows what would be unleashed if they became a proper WAAAGH.
Well, those Hive Cities were a lost cause for the Imperium either way, saving them would have meant getting at least some production capacity back on the planet, but killing the Warboss meant no other planets would meet the same fate.
If the hive cities really were a lost cause, they would have just peaced out and destroyed the whole planet from orbit. No, the space marines died to save what was left of the planet. That's why it was only barely worth it.
Something somethin *CATO SICARIUS* something something
The mission was incredibly worth it, if that spread it's basically game over 😅
I miss Black Reach
Knowing the orks gestalt memory, its only matter of time before a new Warboss creates the super-shota
@@gardenthefermentingsound6218: That's not very Orky.
Ahhh, my first box set. I shall never forget those goofy Orks or the magnificent Sicarius model.
I'm just imagined the creating process of this weapon. - zagzag coming to boiz with slightly bigger shoota "Hey ya boiz. I got new shoota that can blow that big blue hummies with one daka". "Sure boss, dat must have more daka, cause it was bigger" 😅
" Do you remember the time "
Hey Peter, remember the time?
“Barely worthy it” man do you how screwed if that tech was shared with other orc war bands, that was a blessing in disguise
Eventually another ork is going to come up with it
Both as logic within suspension of disbelief for the universe and as a plot device for power creep
Assault on black reach was my first box set as a kid god damnnnn
How a species can be so smart and so stupid at the same time.
Kill switches, orcs are a bio weapon never meant to prosper, only a war machine that needs supervision
Whe need more aquatic battles.
It was worth it. It prevented more losses in the future.
Still them being Orks, another Techboy could possibly remember the tech again in the future.
I never knew i needed a Ork Submarine as much as i do now😂😂
They probably painted some racing stripes on their shootas to make the bullets shoot faster. One of them will figure it out again.
That picture of a marine wih no arm is cursed and wrong, its like his whole shoulderpad bleeds
Justice for Zanzag
Man, can't have the company favored faction be challenged in a *truly* meaningful way that *isn't* chaos eh.
That goes for any faction in 40k though…. Side effects of needing each faction to stay around to sell models🤯
Ork Submarine!!!! Someone get me a book of Orks invading a Water World!!!
I guessing the secret as to why they were so powerful was because, “All Boiz Know Puttin Supa In Da Name Makes It Betta”
Orcs kit is powered by belief the orchestra billeted they had powerful shoots that could kill space marines so they did!
Another win for Cato 'fuck it we ball' Sicarius
They might reprint it like the Battle for Macragge
What book
Honestly, kind of a W for Cato. Seriously. Letting Orks figure out that kind of firepower is a major threat to literally everything, let alone your brother space marines. Guns that powerful proliferating amongst an enemy as numerous as the Orks would spell a massive disaster, making a terminator and 12 marines not even a blip on the radar.
Zanzag was the Ork equivalent of a mad scientist
Space Marines are one of the largest and most powerful military factions in the Imperium of Man. Their standard armor is on par with many culture's Main Battle Tanks. Thus, a weapon that could fatally one-shot a Space Marine has the potential to be an absolute strategic threat to Imperial and Galactic security. I'd say Cato made the right prioritization. Civilians may not have liked it, but the consequences of not making that decision if the tech spread are not worth considering.
Ork.. submarine??
Ya seez, a spaceship keeps da air in and da space out, so da boyz jus made a ship dat keeps da air in and da water out!
“The knowledge was of Super Shootas was lost.”
Meanwhile random Weirdboy: “I got a headache with pictures from Mork!”
Space Marines don't rely entirely on their power armor, they face threats that can penetrate it all the time.
They use speed of aggression and tactics to overwhelm foes, if their armor protects them then that's a bonus.
Shouldve baited a chaos space marine warband to fight this ork
Painfull sellection, training, adaptation, surgeries and unique armour to make a single astartes... orks shoot him with a single daka... ehhh 40K scrapping at the bottom of a barrel.
ANY ork mechaniak can make a super charged shoota...if you just believe that it is, it shall be. Hell, imagine of the idea of an Ork Primarch started sweeping through them...oh wait. Ghazkull.
> memory hole Ork tech that's actually actually effective against you
> -1 Terminator, -12 Marines
I take this trade every time. Not even a question.
Smh Orks should have just had Dan Abnett write their lore so they can beat marines with plot devices instead of upgraded shootas
Ork weapons not being able to hurt space marines sounds like imperial propaganda. The smurfs just got complacent and it cost them. To claim the orks had super special rare guns is just poor writing.
Oh man I remember reading this narrative battle report in whitedwarf as a kid. The ork submersible was what made me fall in love with orks and buy the assault on black reach boxset.
I, cato sicarius hear the name of I, cato sicarius
I, cato sicarius sigh
I, cato sicarius check the comments
Imagine snazz gunz but every one of them uses rail ammunition
The best thing about any ork battle is they pretty much only lose because they believe they can lose. If orks believe they can kill a space Marine with one shot, then they will be able to, given there are enough other orks in the wargh that also belive that to be the case.
Pretty much all ork weaponry only works because they believe it does. Red paint actually does make ork vehicles faster, just because they believe it does.
Better s few then All, i am sorry for the losses however SpaceMarine
If they pulled out and could recreate the guns that would be very useful. Sounds like those guns were packing.
For every ork killed a thousand take it’s place
They discovered damage 2 weapons
The whole cato sicarius meme is so gay 😂
Why are the marines so big and bulky?? Such an easy target to hit.
makes people wanna buy em though
Man assault on black reach was pretty awesome.
Orks would have probably ditched the gun eventually since they live to fight and killing an enemy too fast is no fun. After all, they let Commissar Yarik free because they wanted good enemies to fight.
Can’t the orcs just “believe” that they remember how to make those super charge shootas.
The gym has fallen. Billions must be DYEL’s
"The death of others is but a simple cost as they fall for the glory of I, Cato Sicarius!"
"Lost forever," he says, like the 'technology' wasn't just Zanzag deciding to try and make a gun that shoots harder. They'll reappear the next time an ork warboss has that thought.
barely worth it...uhm yes they should have nuke whole area with zagzag ...
Oh shit.
"I, CATO SICARIUS CAUGHT THE ORKS IN COMPLETE DISARRAY"
"Um... When are the orks ever in arra-"
"IT WAS A MARVELOUS DISPLAY OF TACTICS AS I, CATO SICARIUS SLAYED THE WRETCHED GREEN BEASTS"
CORRECTION, It will remain lost until Games Workshop decides it’s needed again lol Maybe even Ghaz Ghoul (probably spelt his name wrong) will be using them against Khorne Berserkers! And other chaos space marines
Definitely worth it. They stopped the Orks from recreating such blasphemous war tech and striking down more of their brothers.
FOR THE EMPEROR!
'...Lost a terminator and a dozen Space Marines to prevent Orks from having a one shot weapon...'
Death Korps of Kreig *in unison* : 'Sounds like a normal Monday .'
I don't know why but I found the words "ork submarine" absolutely hilarious. The concept of an ork submarine in wh40k is hilarious
I don’t think that any Space Marine would ever say it wasn't worth it, they accomplished the mission, snuffed out a technology that would ABSOLUTELY have been a problem galaxy wide had it been permitted to spread, and the 12 died a glorious death on the field of battle in the name of the God Emperor...sounds to me like everything a Space Marine could want and more
Supacharged shootas capable of one-shotting Space Marines would attrition their forces to unacceptable levels. Abandoning defense of the Hive cities in pursuit of hunting down the main encampment of these xenos before the Supacharged Shootas could kill too many Space Marines was a bold and daring plan, and thats why it would work, and thats why they were Ultramarines. The best of the best, First of the Emperors Men 👍😁
Orks reminding the people that they’re not just dumb, funny, big fellas.
“Caught the orkz in complete disarray” so they were just being orkz
Barely worth it....BARELY WORTH IT!? 40k would have been over if all of the orks got their hands on that technology!
Oneshotting spacemarines? You mean, like a melta? Or a plasma rifle? Or a rocket launcher? Or a battlecannon etc. etc.
Barely worth it ? Imagine how fucked the imperium would be if the supercharged shootas were spread throughout the galaxy
Yeah the guy made the right call to neutralize the superior gun manufacture line. The losses are like nothing compared to taking out a stompa/gargant garage city. Priorities man. It'll be another 100 years till another mad scientist level like Zan appears, and it's not even likely their comparable science would result in a hyper shoota, it could be in armor that orks are told makes you invisible but doesn't but it don't matter it makes you braver, or another shade of red... that's the same shade of red but faster, or something just equally dumb, like hyper sporing, they spore and grow twice as fast but are twice as dumb.
To be fair, the "technology" behind superchatged shootas might just be Orks not realizing thay Space Marines are meant to be tougher than the average Humie.
Don't worry, the knowledge is just back in the "Big Green".
Destroyed weapon technology powerful enough to beat the Imperium and lost practially nothing relevant in the big stategic picture, concludes that the Mission was barely worth it.
Is this AI or human idi*cy?
Barely worth it? Had they not tracked that HVI down, that weapon could've been proliferated among many other Ork clans, which would be a disaster.
Of course they prioritised taking out Zanzag over defending. A xenos who can mass produce anti space marine munitions is an easy exterminatus class threat. So by going after Zanzag the old fashioned way, they were in fact protecting the hive cities. Just not from the orkz.
Obviously the orks lost. It was ultramarines. Was hoping for a story in which the ultramarines would finally not win, but then I remembered that they were ultramarines.
No wonder people hate Cato Sicarius, he's like a watered down version of Ragnar Blackmane
Salamanders would have been holding the humans hands and jumping in front of shots. Aka needless casualties of soldiers that take 100s of years to make and replace for a single human. Idk how anyone likes them lol. Just like them because “they like humans” bruh this is grim dark
Remember that ork weapons and vehicles only work because orks think that they should work. This means that that these supercharged weapons were not actually better designed, but rather, the orks just believed that they were supercharged.
Barely worth it?
If that warboss had grown to a full blown waaagh, or joined ghazghull, they would've been unstoppable
The losses were high, but failure could have very easily resulted in the end of the imperium
“Lost a couple dozen, +1 terminator”.
“It was barely worth it”
I mean considering it was a weapon that reduced an entire planet to 3 hive cities and 1 shot space marines, I’d say that’s pretty well worth it
"barely worth it?" my brother in Imperial faith, you prevented who knows how many space Marines from dying to too much dakka
The toughest choices required the strongest of wills, thanks to Cato he stopped the orks from having super anti space marines and saved possibly millions of space marines but at what cost 😢 courage and honor
Considering how powerful the shootas were, they would have wreaked absolute havoc galaxy wide if the knowledge had gotten off world. So I think a dozen space marines and one terminator are a very worthy trade
Knowing Orkz, the Supercharged Shootas were 2 regular shootas taped together with green flames painted on it.
I dunno, 13 marines lost in an attack in order to nip potential mass production of these thing in the bid seems worth it.
High cost, yes. But if he werent eliminated and these things became common among the orks, how many hundreds of marines would be lost then? And stopping them would be an even harder taks if more rhan one knew how to make them.
Space marines basically got put through what life is like as a guardsmen
Taking out the threat of weapons that can one-shot even the mighty Spacemarines is not exactly what i call 'barely worth it' ......