How many hours did it take to rebuild. If a mechanic does it would cost 30 dollars for kit and 100 a hour . Are you better buying a new one for 350.00 dollars
I can buy a new one too.. anyone can .. I spent $60 and rebuilt 2.. both are still working perfect to this day.. I saved $600 .. I don’t trust mechanics.. they are 95% scammers and liars
@@rolandmoreno3526 I did my pump and steering box on my suburban. I personally feel like it was worth it. Rock Auto had my rebuild kids for $20 for the pump and $30 for the steering box. The time it takes to rebuild one really depends on your skill level and tools. I feel like I could do bushings, rings, and seals in probably thirty minutes on each one now that I've rebuilt them. Probably will take you an afternoon if it's your first. Buuuut here's the shitty part. If your flat surfaces are gouged up or your oring seal ate a groove into your shaft then you just wasted your money on a rebuild kit you can't use. Or you disassemble to decide if it's even worth it and wait a week for parts? If you're in a hurry its definitely not worth it. Buy the new part and slap it in.
Love your casual approach to repairing a component that you will "bet your life" on... no overuse of jargon with most parts being referred to as" this here thing", giving confidence to backyard, shade-tree mechanics. Thanks for posting, I enjoyed your light-hearted approach.
*Discovered the secret to getting the big piston teflon ring on without stretching it* I also had a very hard time getting the piston in the housing with the new seal due to stretch. Bought another new seal and stared at it for 20 mins. Yatzee! If you put the teflon seal on FIRST, starting it deep in the groove, it slips right on. Then feed the o-ring around it and slip it past the teflon seal in the groove. 0 stretch and took 2 mins. Love your videos, keep it up 👍
You know that when you buy a remanufactured box, they won't be anywhere near this thorough. For a little time and a lot less cash, doing it this way gets you a hand built gearbox. Thanks for posting something so useful.
Chris... here is a easy cleaning idea... I take a large metal coffee can, and a $9 single burner hotplate from Walmart. I fill can 1/2 way/// or as needed for depth... with Purple Power. Bring it to near boiling and insert your parts. All the goopey heavy grease will emulsify and everything will come out spotless... then rise with a hose... then put back in as required. I do this with hubs without having to take them apart... they come out like new.
It would be like a “Simple Green” sold in the Midwest and elsewhere. It is strange, as both products are environmentally safe, mostly made using the oils found in the skin of oranges. ZEP is a large company that sells variety to cleaning products yet not sold in some states. ZEP sells a 55 gallon drum of powder that is an orange powder. Smells like oranges. True story, in a shop in California, a shop was closing for the day and a tech scooped some ZEP floor cleaner. You can wet the floor and spread it around like extra dirty spots to brush, broom, mop or like our dealer, used an electric push scrubber. The tech sprinkled the orange power on the damp floor & the power turns green immediately. After clearing the floor, you hit it with your water hose. Part of the green watered floor solution came out the door and was running downhill away from the building on a white concrete slab. A person driving around the building though this was “Green Anti-Freeze” headed for the curb that drains into a nearby creek. The person freaked and dialed 911 to report this unthinkable crime against nature. 2 fire trucks, police and 1 ambulance came quickly to clean up the violation, arrest the offender and provide first aide to any person or creature may have ingested. Once explained and examined, it was explained to the concern citizen to calm then and reduce there fears. Now they can sleep better. But the law in this county had a pollution rule that the response required the shop owner to get a $7,500 ticket. He had to pay a lawyer and pay to have a ZEP salesperson to show MHDS to court to have the ticket dropped. Close call. Glad to help you learn because you don’t have be an ASE Master in all eight categories like I did every five years. Others may learn from the written word, some by seeing and others by doing. Some all three. You’re welcome as learning never stops.
I ran across this video while working on the gear box on my Suburban... You share the same name as my late brother who died in 2015... so I had to subscribe!
thank you sir for the two part video on this. I love saving money and learning new things. I prefer to referbish whenever I can. and I haven't been into a steering gearbox yet. now after watching your videos , I'm almost positive I can do this. I can see it's time consuming and nerve racking but I want to be able to fix as much as I can myself.
the only hard part is getting the new big teflon seal to go in the case.. study those comments about it.. if you dont pay attention to this you will rip the seal and have to buy a new kit.. ask me how i know..
Hello Chris, I wanted to let you know that your video was helpful so I can reassemble my gearbox (1981 Malibu ). No one told me to open it and look inside, the bearings just poured out so now I'm trying to re insert them. 22 so far. It's My spare gear box so if i can't reassemble it SCREW IT. Btw this video was worth watching just to hear you complaining. I have not laughed this much in weeks. Thanks again Chris, ...Eric
i have a part 2 where i get those bearings back in.. look at them close, you most likely have 2 different kinds.. put one dull one, one shiny one, etc.. this box had all shiny ones..
I never knew you could rebuild the steering gear, back about 14 years ago my steering gear went out and I had to find a nice used one at the junk yard. Of course times have changed now and I have better income and the internet, now I would just buy an already rebuilt one from eBay. But this is still handy knowledge when you need it.
Another tip: when taking those snap tings out/off, put a rag over it so it won't shoot across the room and you have to go on an expedition tearing your shop a part trying to figure out where it ricochet too.
Spent most of the day doing this. After install steering wheel immediately went to the right Been fixing cars for 35 years but never had one all apart. Not in a hurry to do another Back to the drawing board tomorrow morning
You convinced me that I might just eat the money to buy a new box. I am pretty mechanically inclined. I do most of my own work. But I’ll end up forgetting something in this process and screw it all up.
more tips: To start, taking that main bolt off, I used a plumber's monkey pipe wrench. Next part, to spin the next piece out, put a bolt in one of the holes, then, get a small closed end wrench and use the shaft as leverage to turn the piece out. No special tools and is a thousand times easier.
By all means !! I need you to keep talking to all those guys lol that never did this before You just me HOURS by showing the marks you placed on the gearbox Most likely I would have been two days and then quit when shit didn’t go back together!! I vote there be a new noble prize awarded to guys that saved us $MILLIONS Thank you just keep on with the small talk. !!
Definitely a labor of love and not a love of labor. I can see why anyone would just say screw it and buy rebuilt, but hey it just a matter of time, ability, tools and desire.
I will rebuild mine, but with a brass drift, spanner wrench, inch pound torque wrench (Beam Type), seal & bearing driver set, plus bearings (Not bee bees) and solvent not gas. Basically the same Buroughs tools I bought in 1972 when I first started rebuilding the Saginaw 800 series steering gear. ASE Master Tech since 1978 - Retired
Dean Kay when did you guys start referring to yourselves as “techs or technicians?” I graduated in 90 and auto mechanics were still called mechanics. Now everyone calls mechanics, techs or technicians. Like they are ashamed of being called a mechanic.
I failed Steering and Suspension by one point! I took brakes six six days ago and failed it by like 5 points, so.... Granted, I've never taken any classes, I've just worked on cars as a hobby, including rebuilding an engine, swapping out a transmission, etc. All I did for study is get the textbook and read it all the way through and make note cards and take quizzes so---I will keep trying! I'm transitioning from Accounting to opening my own mobile auto repair business. I don't understand why some people think mechanics are stupid. I'm sure some are, but if you can pass an ASE test, good grief, you're pretty smart! I've taken the CPA exam and passe it and I find the ASE difficult.
Matt Garza, When you have experience and game, don’t give up as I have a tip for you to pass. I your practice book, read the question and break it into sections. Ask yourself “What are they asking” because certain work are “Tells”. Example; A bent steering part will effect the steering axis inclination and the Ackerman angle. Tech A says no. Tech B says yes. Both or neither.
Sorry, on phone and hit wrong button. In the question, the word “WILL” is a give away, plus, having two issues pointed out in the same statement is a give away. The answer is YES! It effects both. When reading the question, read until you find the one word that changes the meaning of the statement. Giving two effects is also a clue it’s true because one is iffy, but two are clearly correct. There are 5 types of questions; Do, Will, Won’t, Possibly, Maybe and Can’t. Once you read the test question and you come across one of these words, stop. Go back and re-read the question and include the “Key” word, stop and ask yourself what are they asking? The just told you. I took all the test (8) in one night. I was the last one left because everyone else took 2, or 3 maybe 4. But I just got it over with each time. From the first time (Which have more question than re-certification) Now you have all eight, you can take the advanced emissions L1 but it has 100 questions. And unfortunately for those who test are crap & not needed, you can’t get a job from dealerships to a city garage. Even the FBI garage requires ASE cert and it increases your pay! I think “Trillraf” got schooled! Pass a test and quit being mad at life... You will like yourself more girl! ASE Master Tech since 1978, UTI instructor, ACDelco seminar and class instructor. Chris Craft has made something of himself by doing. Trillif, get your hands out of your pants and do something productive, not destructive, Jeeeesh!
Hello Chris my power steering gear box is leaking at the input shaft tip. Some shafts don't have a round piolet shaft at the end of the input shaft I guess it's called a piolet shaft but I took it apart and there is no way to service that. I tried to tap out the dowel pins but they wouldn't budge maybe I can get it welded on the inside to seal it or use epoxy. I don't know if I can get that piece part separately. I'm thinking about just getting an entire rebuilt box. I bought a complete seal kit and replaced all the o rings and shaft seals but that was in vain. I don't know why there is that nipple shaft its not needed. My car is a 1976 firebird and I think its the original box.
Update** Got it. Used some 3/4" all thread and stuck a nut into the side cavity and threaded the all thread into that, allowed for much heavier and loaded hammer hits I hate the fact im asking this question, its embarrassing being as i build all my own race motors, transmissions, everything but for the life of me i cannot get the domed end cap off. I tried prying like you, hammering from the other end with a long punch, heat, ect. All its done so far is deform the backside if the hex cap. Yes all of the lock ring is removed. You have another trick to try?
going to try my luck now just ordered kit from auto zone for 38 bucks, I got a 68 pro street lemans and it's all over the road lol. hope it works I got a lot of play in gear box
if you have play in the box...... you need to return that kit and buy a new box... just trying to save you time and headaches.... the process to get the play out (because you have to learn how do it it) is not worth it...... im hoping you have eliminated the fact that the play might be in the drag link, tie rod ends, etc...
So I know how to do the process of getting play out of the box which is my main problem, but since I’m at it I’m going to rebuild. Would you recommended just rebuilding and tightening it up per the manual vs buying a new reman? I hear that’s all they do with the reman ones anyways
Chris, is it possible to just replace the input shaft seals? It looks as if the lock-ring comes off, and then the preload (spanner hole part) would slide out without having to remove the worm gear, is that correct? I have a leak only on the input shaft and I'm thinking that this would work. I wanted to ask the expert first though! Thanks for your time-
Did you ever determine if 22 ball bearings was the correct number of bearings? I ask because I just disassembled a Saginaw box for a 1977-1979 Jeep CJ and I came up with 22 bearings as well and yet the manual calls for 24.
Would rebuilding this way fix a sloppy box? My escalade ext has nearly an inch of float on center. Also it seems to turn faster right than it does left from the same amount of input.
Quick question. I got wheels that point at noon and a steering wheel pointing at 5:00. If I just took out the pitman shaft and re-centered it on the worm gear after a half-turn, that gonna cause me any trouble?
@@frikyouall I would say turn the wheel left to right without wheels engaged. Lock to lock and measure how many times you count so you can do the math about where the steering wheel is when the wheels would be at 12o clock straight center then attach it all back up once your steering wheel is dead center should. Go back on like butter
chris, when you remove the input shaft after unscrewing the spanner wrench washer, you are just pullimg and twisting the shaft out of the housing. you took the pitman shaft out but it does not show if you removed anything inside like ball bearings before you pull the input shaft out. I cannot get my input shaft out even using the 35 lb weight of the box. It turns to both stops and fluid spews out, but will not come out like your video.shows??
st 4:50 when you pull the cap and shaft out together. Can you just pull the cap by removing the adj nut and 4 bolts? I have a leaky copper gasket but dont want to pull the shaft out. thx
Great video Chris thanks to you I could rebuild my father's steering gear box. I'd like to know if you know how to rebuild a Dodge Dart 1970 Steering gear box. I'm already reading the service manual about how to do it, but i'd like to know if there are some tricks I must know before tearing apart my steering box. Greetings from Venezuela.
I have never messed with a dodge in my life.. Saginaw could make the gear box... just try it.. just mark the preload on the main bearing on the front like I did with the chisel.. the rest can be figured out by trial and error
OK my friend my job is rebuild gear boxes and on my experience I can tell you that the gear box come with only 22 ball bearing originally unless if is rebuild it came with 24 and half of those are from 1 to 2 thousand of different
the chevelle box had 22 and there were two diameters of bearings.... this one did not have 22 and they were all the same diameter.... 1988 G20 chevy van
Do you think it's possible to flush out a good condition steering box that was just sitting collecting dust? I wanna use the box but I can see that some dust found its way inside but I don't wanna take apart the whole thing.
Be sure to measure your input shaft size. Typically before 1980 they are 13/16. Afterwards they are 3/4 inch. I posted what I discovered were the right kits in another comment for the input shaft seal. I am guessing that the other kits are similar in that they won't work unless they put in both sizes for the input shaft.
Chris! Do you know if gearing is reversible in each box, or those are completely different design. I need one box, bolts on but moves the pitman arm in the opposite way?
This is accomplished by using a different ball screw and piston from a box that you find turns opposite your box. There are different size saginaw boxes used in all makes domestic car truck and van. Be careful though some have a very fast turn ratio. My 75 Ford Bronco stock Saginaw box is a 6 turn lock to lock. The 76-77 bronco is 4 turn lock to lock. My Chevy suburban (identical but larger than the Bronco housing) is 3 turns. An astro van is 2.5 or less lock to lock. Lastly observe which side of the input shaft the sector is on just puzzle thru it the gear teeth are same if it flops left or right. Happy hunting! more
Great video! Random question, but do you recall where you got your plastic tray? I'm having trouble finding one with a big enough footprint and short sides, yet durable enough to toss a steering gear around in. :) Thanks!
trillrif axegrindor not what I’m asking, I’m trying to get a specific answer, like for example if there is a specific part that develops play inside that co tributes to the backlash. Or simply is the gear wearing down.....
@@Gap_machine seals and bearing develop play from "wear" shafts develop play from "wear" the box itself can develop play from "wear" improper assembly and adjustment can develop play from "wear or user error"
haha i had to play back the video in the beginning... "is that Pelican in the background???" nice! Gotta get into this job on a GM ZQ8 box. Had a lil slop in the steering, was told to tighten up the allen bolt 1/8th of a turn, and that made the steering super stiff, turned it back, and still super stiff. Loosened it another 1/8th turn and still feels like i'm driving on flat tires. Try to fix something and end up making it worse! haha
Hello I am looking for that kit but for a Chevrolet belair 49 - 52 please if you know where I can get it I am going to be very thankful, have a nice day
Yes there is but they won’t sell it. There is a higher profit margin to sell the entire box instead of one newly machined spool valve. Can you u say “$500 dollars profit neighbor?” It’s a $60 part, seal kit and core. If you have the tools, book time is 1.2 hours of labor. You never get paid to clean the outside, inside or paint it.
hi chris im wondering if you can help with a bit of advice i have a 1979 trans am and i have been threw 2x steering boxes recon ones from classic industries the one i have on now is the 2nd steering box it worked fin e for a couple of days then steering went stiff. i have jacked front end up and tried to bleed but nothing i took off pressure hose and turned over and fluid is flying out of the end of the pipe so its not a pressure issue on the return hose very little pressure not enough to go back to pump i have been using transmission fluid could this be the problem instead of using power steering fluid i thouight they were the same any help would be appriciated thx scot...
transmission fluid just seems to makes the seals leak... I would change the power steering pump.. inspect the pressure and return lines really good and make sure they aren’t kinked or blocked first... I have never had a steering box go bad.. they just get play and get sloppy
chris when the problem first accured of first reconned box i thought it was the pump and that was replaced only found out it was the box on hearing the noise i first heard in pump it was because steering box went bad but its strange how 2 have went bad thx scot also i have rebuild engine and it was the original box was on it that went bad as well so i thinking fluid can it be anything inside the box going bad:
what if i fucked up and didn't mark the housing, input shaft, and lock nut at the very beginning? how do i get it reset correctly? the manual says 1/2 inch back off. i tried that but i got a lot of play in my steering wheel still.
+Jordan Bolling they are all pretty much the same........... good luck with your project and feel free to ask me anything if you get stuck.............. they can get tricky
Minute 5.50 . That bolt you said an idiot can adjust it wrong whats it for? I messed with it somone told me thats where you bleed the gear box and now the steering is HARD , help!
you mest up bad.. that is where you adjust the mesh between the gears.. if it is hard you will probably break the gears... you need to loosen it back.. but the process can not be explained in any youtube video...
My american willies jeep production year 1967 having manual steering gear box.from long time i buy this jeep i can turn full only one side (up to tire touches the body.)But other side can turn only half only.So for turn other side i have to from and back the jeep 2-3 times.Where is the problem?How can i fix the problem.Please help me..Thanks.
@@chriscraft77022 Thanks for that. The one I'm most worried about is the one that adjusts back and forth via an allen wrench then has the lock nut. This is I guess is the pitman shaft. The adjuster protrudes out of the side aluminum cover held by 4 bolts. I also took that completly apart. Do you know the adjustment on that one? Thanks
that’s the one you dont mess with.. the problem is now you spend money and time to rebuild and if those don’t mesh right they will wear out and you will have play in the box...
So far every time I try and put the rack piston in with new o ring and teflon I destroy the teflon. How do you install the rack piston and not damage the teflon? I give up...
![5.0 Coyote Swapped Bronco is FINISHED! #JuiceBoxBronco [EP16]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/_PFo45hCK28/mqdefault.jpg)
How many hours did it take to rebuild. If a mechanic does it would cost 30 dollars for kit and 100 a hour . Are you better buying a new one for 350.00 dollars
if you even have to ask that.. go buy a new one… woman question
Sorry I just pay for convenience I might get my cuticles ripped
I can buy a new one too.. anyone can .. I spent $60 and rebuilt 2.. both are still working perfect to this day.. I saved $600 .. I don’t trust mechanics.. they are 95% scammers and liars
@@rolandmoreno3526 I did my pump and steering box on my suburban. I personally feel like it was worth it. Rock Auto had my rebuild kids for $20 for the pump and $30 for the steering box. The time it takes to rebuild one really depends on your skill level and tools. I feel like I could do bushings, rings, and seals in probably thirty minutes on each one now that I've rebuilt them. Probably will take you an afternoon if it's your first.
Buuuut here's the shitty part. If your flat surfaces are gouged up or your oring seal ate a groove into your shaft then you just wasted your money on a rebuild kit you can't use. Or you disassemble to decide if it's even worth it and wait a week for parts? If you're in a hurry its definitely not worth it. Buy the new part and slap it in.
@@chriscraft77022 very helpful and productive reply
Love your casual approach to repairing a component that you will "bet your life" on... no overuse of jargon with most parts being referred to as" this here thing", giving confidence to backyard, shade-tree mechanics. Thanks for posting, I enjoyed your light-hearted approach.
SUPER FUNNY.... OR WHATEVER THIS SHIT IS.....LOL. I ENJOYED IT AND THE MUSIC
*Discovered the secret to getting the big piston teflon ring on without stretching it*
I also had a very hard time getting the piston in the housing with the new seal due to stretch. Bought another new seal and stared at it for 20 mins. Yatzee! If you put the teflon seal on FIRST, starting it deep in the groove, it slips right on. Then feed the o-ring around it and slip it past the teflon seal in the groove. 0 stretch and took 2 mins.
Love your videos, keep it up 👍
You know that when you buy a remanufactured box, they won't be anywhere near this thorough. For a little time and a lot less cash, doing it this way gets you a hand built gearbox. Thanks for posting something so useful.
I have heard of people buying a reman box only to have it be bad and end up changing it out again
@@chriscraft77022 I have roughly the same box on my 1990 Blazer. Do you have a rebuild kit brand preference?
@@uncletomsgarage did you find a kit?, I'm looking
One of the best how to videos ever!!! Definitely the best steering gear video!! On to part two. Anxious to see what is in your rebuild kit.
I think this guy does a better job at describing each process than the majority of videos .
Good job I'm a do it yourself type too .
Chris... here is a easy cleaning idea... I take a large metal coffee can, and a $9 single burner hotplate from Walmart. I fill can 1/2 way/// or as needed for depth... with Purple Power.
Bring it to near boiling and insert your parts. All the goopey heavy grease will emulsify and everything will come out spotless... then rise with a hose... then put back in as required.
I do this with hubs without having to take them apart... they come out like new.
Great tip~!! I intend to use it=thanks.
Sorry but what is purple power ? never heard of it or seen it, anything else that can be used in its place ? thanks!~
It would be like a “Simple Green” sold in the Midwest and elsewhere. It is strange, as both products are environmentally safe, mostly made using the oils found in the skin of oranges. ZEP is a large company that sells variety to cleaning products yet not sold in some states. ZEP sells a 55 gallon drum of powder that is an orange powder. Smells like oranges.
True story, in a shop in California, a shop was closing for the day and a tech scooped some ZEP floor cleaner. You can wet the floor and spread it around like extra dirty spots to brush, broom, mop or like our dealer, used an electric push scrubber.
The tech sprinkled the orange power on the damp floor & the power turns green immediately. After clearing the floor, you hit it with your water hose. Part of the green watered floor solution came out the door and was running downhill away from the building on a white concrete slab. A person driving around the building though this was “Green Anti-Freeze” headed for the curb that drains into a nearby creek. The person freaked and dialed 911 to report this unthinkable crime against nature. 2 fire trucks, police and 1 ambulance came quickly to clean up the violation, arrest the offender and provide first aide to any person or creature may have ingested. Once explained and examined, it was explained to the concern citizen to calm then and reduce there fears. Now they can sleep better. But the law in this county had a pollution rule that the response required the shop owner to get a $7,500 ticket. He had to pay a lawyer and pay to have a ZEP salesperson to show MHDS to court to have the ticket dropped. Close call.
Glad to help you learn because you don’t have be an ASE Master in all eight categories like I did every five years. Others may learn from the written word, some by seeing and others by doing. Some all three. You’re welcome as learning never stops.
I ran across this video while working on the gear box on my Suburban... You share the same name as my late brother who died in 2015... so I had to subscribe!
I'm here for my 89 suburban as well!
Not only is this a very well done tutorial but also has decent background music. Thank you so much, I enjoyed every bit of this video
👍😀👍
Joe, That was an excellent series of videos on rebuilding the steering box!
Tool and Topo Chico in the background. Man of my own heart! Thanks for the vid!
Love The Pot blaring in the background! Great video and great music!
Jesus. Finally a video that teaches you something!
thank you sir for the two part video on this. I love saving money and learning new things. I prefer to referbish whenever I can. and I haven't been into a steering gearbox yet. now after watching your videos , I'm almost positive I can do this. I can see it's time consuming and nerve racking but I want to be able to fix as much as I can myself.
the only hard part is getting the new big teflon seal to go in the case.. study those comments about it.. if you dont pay attention to this you will rip the seal and have to buy a new kit.. ask me how i know..
@@chriscraft77022 great vid, do you have the info on the kit? ,I'm having a hard time finding it
Hello Chris, I wanted to let you know that your video was helpful so I can reassemble my gearbox (1981 Malibu ). No one told me to open it and look inside, the bearings just poured out so now I'm trying to re insert them. 22 so far. It's My spare gear box so if i can't reassemble it SCREW IT. Btw this video was worth watching just to hear you complaining. I have not laughed this much in weeks. Thanks again Chris, ...Eric
i have a part 2 where i get those bearings back in.. look at them close, you most likely have 2 different kinds.. put one dull one, one shiny one, etc.. this box had all shiny ones..
I never knew you could rebuild the steering gear, back about 14 years ago my steering gear went out and I had to find a nice used one at the junk yard.
Of course times have changed now and I have better income and the internet, now I would just buy an already rebuilt one from eBay.
But this is still handy knowledge when you need it.
Wow thanks for taking the time to make the video. Its a great guide. Very well done Thanks
Another tip: when taking those snap tings out/off, put a rag over it so it won't shoot across the room and you have to go on an expedition tearing your shop a part trying to figure out where it ricochet too.
All good stuff here=thanks for a great video on this rebuild. PS-Love your carefree attitude-wish I owned one~!
Followed this to fix mine. Works great. Thanks for your know how.
Spent most of the day doing this. After install steering wheel immediately went to the right
Been fixing cars for 35 years but never had one all apart. Not in a hurry to do another
Back to the drawing board tomorrow morning
they have some check balls in there I didn’t know about.. just play with it and it should go away.. mine did that too.. it only went to the right
Thank you Chris. Your guidance was extremely helpful tonight!!
I am working on my power steering box as well (85 Ramcharger). Great video - I am using it as a reference.
You convinced me that I might just eat the money to buy a new box. I am pretty mechanically inclined. I do most of my own work. But I’ll end up forgetting something in this process and screw it all up.
You are a wealth of knowledge brother. Thanks for all the vids. Good shit!!!
more tips: To start, taking that main bolt off, I used a plumber's monkey pipe wrench. Next part, to spin the next piece out, put a bolt in one of the holes, then, get a small closed end wrench and use the shaft as leverage to turn the piece out. No special tools and is a thousand times easier.
Great video, very informative. If you get tired of that 1970 Chevelle let me know. Take care bud.
By all means !! I need you to keep talking to all those guys
lol that never did this before
You just me HOURS by showing the marks you placed on the gearbox
Most likely I would have been two days and then quit when shit didn’t go back together!!
I vote there be a new noble prize awarded to guys that saved us $MILLIONS
Thank you just keep on with the small talk. !!
Love the commentary. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for showing me what to do, like paying someone to do it for me 😁
I’m gonna attempt mine soon. Thanks for the video
Its a ball screw! Thats pretty neat, would have never guessed.
Thanks, decided not to do a rebuild because of this video
Definitely a labor of love and not a love of labor. I can see why anyone would just say screw it and buy rebuilt, but hey it just a matter of time, ability, tools and desire.
I will rebuild mine, but with a brass drift, spanner wrench, inch pound torque wrench (Beam Type), seal & bearing driver set, plus bearings (Not bee bees) and solvent not gas. Basically the same Buroughs tools I bought in 1972 when I first started rebuilding the Saginaw 800 series steering gear. ASE Master Tech since 1978 - Retired
this is an easy job for someone that is restoring a vehicle
Dean Kay when did you guys start referring to yourselves as “techs or technicians?” I graduated in 90 and auto mechanics were still called mechanics. Now everyone calls mechanics, techs or technicians. Like they are ashamed of being called a mechanic.
Dean is a mechanic...tech is some pompous way of saying you work on cars. I was an aircraft mechanic...not a "tech."
I failed Steering and Suspension by one point! I took brakes six six days ago and failed it by like 5 points, so....
Granted, I've never taken any classes, I've just worked on cars as a hobby, including rebuilding an engine, swapping out a transmission, etc.
All I did for study is get the textbook and read it all the way through and make note cards and take quizzes so---I will keep trying!
I'm transitioning from Accounting to opening my own mobile auto repair business. I don't understand why some people think mechanics are stupid. I'm sure some are, but if you can pass an ASE test, good grief, you're pretty smart! I've taken the CPA exam and passe it and I find the ASE difficult.
tests are bullshit,its actually doing the work fast,properly and reliably
over and over and over.consistency,accuracy and PRACTICAL knowledge.
Matt Garza, When you have experience and game, don’t give up as I have a tip for you to pass. I your practice book, read the question and break it into sections. Ask yourself “What are they asking” because certain work are “Tells”. Example; A bent steering part will effect the steering axis inclination and the Ackerman angle. Tech A says no. Tech B says yes. Both or neither.
Sorry, on phone and hit wrong button.
In the question, the word “WILL” is a give away, plus, having two issues pointed out in the same statement is a give away. The answer is YES! It effects both. When reading the question, read until you find the one word that changes the meaning of the statement. Giving two effects is also a clue it’s true because one is iffy, but two are clearly correct.
There are 5 types of questions; Do, Will, Won’t, Possibly, Maybe and Can’t. Once you read the test question and you come across one of these words, stop. Go back and re-read the question and include the “Key” word, stop and ask yourself what are they asking? The just told you.
I took all the test (8) in one night. I was the last one left because everyone else took 2, or 3 maybe 4. But I just got it over with each time. From the first time (Which have more question than re-certification) Now you have all eight, you can take the advanced emissions L1 but it has 100 questions.
And unfortunately for those who test are crap & not needed, you can’t get a job from dealerships to a city garage. Even the FBI garage requires ASE cert and it increases your pay!
I think “Trillraf” got schooled! Pass a test and quit being mad at life... You will like yourself more girl! ASE Master Tech since 1978, UTI instructor, ACDelco seminar and class instructor. Chris Craft has made something of himself by doing. Trillif, get your hands out of your pants and do something productive, not destructive, Jeeeesh!
Pre-cleaning a piece of work....A sure sign of forethought and intelligence....
Gospel.....
it really isnt going to matter with this job,you are going to get dirty regardless.....seriously,its full of oil and gunk and is going to go everywere
Nice video plus the music was top notch
All the other guides for the input shaft seal repair only showed reassembly, I wanted to know how to remove that lock ring and now I do!
Hello Chris my power steering gear box is leaking at the input shaft tip. Some shafts don't have a round piolet shaft at the end of the input shaft I guess it's called a piolet shaft but I took it apart and there is no way to service that. I tried to tap out the dowel pins but they wouldn't budge maybe I can get it welded on the inside to seal it or use epoxy. I don't know if I can get that piece part separately. I'm thinking about just getting an entire rebuilt box. I bought a complete seal kit and replaced all the o rings and shaft seals but that was in vain. I don't know why there is that nipple shaft its not needed. My car is a 1976 firebird and I think its the original box.
Thanks gor sharing. My k15 needs to be rebuilt too
Thank you for the video and good background tunes 😎👍🏻
Best video, you do it with so confidence that I want to do my box too hahaha
Update**
Got it. Used some 3/4" all thread and stuck a nut into the side cavity and threaded the all thread into that, allowed for much heavier and loaded hammer hits
I hate the fact im asking this question, its embarrassing being as i build all my own race motors, transmissions, everything but for the life of me i cannot get the domed end cap off. I tried prying like you, hammering from the other end with a long punch, heat, ect. All its done so far is deform the backside if the hex cap. Yes all of the lock ring is removed. You have another trick to try?
Tool ftw. Tool builds everything.
New album coming soon
Thumbs up for the soundtrack!
Thanks for the video it helps a lot ...
going to try my luck now just ordered kit from auto zone for 38 bucks, I got a 68 pro street lemans and it's all over the road lol. hope it works I got a lot of play in gear box
if you have play in the box...... you need to return that kit and buy a new box... just trying to save you time and headaches.... the process to get the play out (because you have to learn how do it it) is not worth it...... im hoping you have eliminated the fact that the play might be in the drag link, tie rod ends, etc...
I checked the rest of the stuff on front end, the pitman arm shaft has a small amount of play side to side I'm hoping the bearing is just bad
So I know how to do the process of getting play out of the box which is my main problem, but since I’m at it I’m going to rebuild. Would you recommended just rebuilding and tightening it up per the manual vs buying a new reman? I hear that’s all they do with the reman ones anyways
Remember kids "watch your eyeballs" :-)
I always watch my balls... washing though.
Thanks pardner. Trying to fix my 1975 Eldorado, top aluminum plate was leaking...I broke it,..was steering good,..wish I knew what to do now ? ?
go to oreilly and get a rebuilt one.. that is all you can do
Chris, is it possible to just replace the input shaft seals? It looks as if the lock-ring comes off, and then the preload (spanner hole part) would slide out without having to remove the worm gear, is that correct? I have a leak only on the input shaft and I'm thinking that this would work. I wanted to ask the expert first though! Thanks for your time-
Did you ever determine if 22 ball bearings was the correct number of bearings? I ask because I just disassembled a Saginaw box for a 1977-1979 Jeep CJ and I came up with 22 bearings as well and yet the manual calls for 24.
Thank you Man. This is a big help.
So far so good working on my 77 GMC, where's part two ?
"I'm not gonna lie to you..."
That's good.
Good job man. Think I'll rip it apart and give it a shot with a little powder coating just for fun.
Hey man great video
Would u know where to get a replacement cap for the pump
Thanks man, same box that's on my amc javelin
Would rebuilding this way fix a sloppy box? My escalade ext has nearly an inch of float on center. Also it seems to turn faster right than it does left from the same amount of input.
thankyou for the lesson chris
What's a good brand of steering box? Mine leaks like no other from where the steering shaft goes into it. I was looking a RedHead and Bluetop box.
Quick question. I got wheels that point at noon and a steering wheel pointing at 5:00. If I just took out the pitman shaft and re-centered it on the worm gear after a half-turn, that gonna cause me any trouble?
not if it went on there easy.. sometimes thy have fixed positions..
@@chriscraft77022 Cool. Thanks.
@@frikyouall I would say turn the wheel left to right without wheels engaged. Lock to lock and measure how many times you count so you can do the math about where the steering wheel is when the wheels would be at 12o clock straight center then attach it all back up once your steering wheel is dead center should. Go back on like butter
chris, when you remove the input shaft after unscrewing the spanner wrench washer, you are just pullimg and twisting the shaft out of the housing. you took the pitman shaft out but it does not show if you removed anything inside like ball bearings before you pull the input shaft out. I cannot get my input shaft out even using the 35 lb weight of the box. It turns to both stops and fluid spews out, but will not come out like your video.shows??
I remember it just unscrewing out without any problems
@@chriscraft77022 So you did not release the ball bearings before you pulled the input shaft out?
Does anyone know the answer to my question on what holds the input shaft from sliding out that needs to be removed to replace the input shaft seal?
st 4:50 when you pull the cap and shaft out together. Can you just pull the cap by removing the adj nut and 4 bolts? I have a leaky copper gasket but dont want to pull the shaft out. thx
no
Samuel Jackson - "say tray one more GD time..."
Great video...entertaining, too.
I'm hoping this helps for the ASE A4 test
I like this guy...
Great video Chris thanks to you I could rebuild my father's steering gear box. I'd like to know if you know how to rebuild a Dodge Dart 1970 Steering gear box. I'm already reading the service manual about how to do it, but i'd like to know if there are some tricks I must know before tearing apart my steering box. Greetings from Venezuela.
I have never messed with a dodge in my life.. Saginaw could make the gear box... just try it.. just mark the preload on the main bearing on the front like I did with the chisel.. the rest can be figured out by trial and error
good job its clear my mind now
OK my friend my job is rebuild gear boxes and on my experience I can tell you that the gear box come with only 22 ball bearing originally unless if is rebuild it came with 24 and half of those are from 1 to 2 thousand of different
Juan Castillo thanks you just saved me about 20 mins of dighing through my oil pan cause some roled off my bench bit guess it was onlh 2 roled off
the chevelle box had 22 and there were two diameters of bearings.... this one did not have 22 and they were all the same diameter.... 1988 G20 chevy van
Love the music.
Do you think it's possible to flush out a good condition steering box that was just sitting collecting dust? I wanna use the box but I can see that some dust found its way inside but I don't wanna take apart the whole thing.
Favorite song from tool playing in the backround
like your music taste
Chris, Thx for the vid, going after my 79 Quadravan.where did you get the rebuild kit. MasterpPro from checker autozoe napa???
Be sure to measure your input shaft size. Typically before 1980 they are 13/16. Afterwards they are 3/4 inch. I posted what I discovered were the right kits in another comment for the input shaft seal. I am guessing that the other kits are similar in that they won't work unless they put in both sizes for the input shaft.
Chris!
Do you know if gearing is reversible in each box, or those are completely different design. I need one box, bolts on but moves the pitman arm in the opposite way?
This is accomplished by using a different ball screw and piston from a box that you find turns opposite your box.
There are different size saginaw boxes used in all makes domestic car truck and van. Be careful though some have a very fast turn ratio. My 75 Ford Bronco stock Saginaw box is a 6 turn lock to lock. The 76-77 bronco is 4 turn lock to lock. My Chevy suburban (identical but larger than the Bronco housing) is 3 turns. An astro van is 2.5 or less lock to lock. Lastly observe which side of the input shaft the sector is on just puzzle thru it the gear teeth are same if it flops left or right. Happy hunting!
more
Great video It was very helpful thank you.
Thank you for sharing
Great video! Random question, but do you recall where you got your plastic tray? I'm having trouble finding one with a big enough footprint and short sides, yet durable enough to toss a steering gear around in. :) Thanks!
it’s little tikes but I’ve had it for 15 years and found it in a car full of parts.. no idea where it came from
@@chriscraft77022 Thanks for the quick reply! I'm going to try utilizing a plastic 24x46 utility cart as a teardown table.
What is the part number for the kit I can get seal kits but not with the bearings
What’s the main reason these boxes will develop steering input play?
wear,kind of obvious no?
trillrif axegrindor not what I’m asking, I’m trying to get a specific answer, like for example if there is a specific part that develops play inside that co tributes to the backlash. Or simply is the gear wearing down.....
@@Gap_machine seals and bearing develop play from "wear" shafts develop play from "wear" the box itself can develop play from "wear" improper assembly and adjustment can develop play from "wear or user error"
haha i had to play back the video in the beginning... "is that Pelican in the background???" nice! Gotta get into this job on a GM ZQ8 box. Had a lil slop in the steering, was told to tighten up the allen bolt 1/8th of a turn, and that made the steering super stiff, turned it back, and still super stiff. Loosened it another 1/8th turn and still feels like i'm driving on flat tires. Try to fix something and end up making it worse! haha
When you take those 4 bolts off and try and take that shaft mine has a snap wrong and won’t come out
Hello I am looking for that kit but for a Chevrolet belair 49 - 52 please if you know where I can get it I am going to be very thankful, have a nice day
Props to TOOL playing in the background
Is there a kit to convert these to 12.7:1 quick ratio? Thanks
Yes there is but they won’t sell it. There is a higher profit margin to sell the entire box instead of one newly machined spool valve. Can you u say “$500 dollars profit neighbor?” It’s a $60 part, seal kit and core. If you have the tools, book time is 1.2 hours of labor. You never get paid to clean the outside, inside or paint it.
hi chris im wondering if you can help with a bit of advice i have a 1979 trans am and i have been threw 2x steering boxes recon ones from classic industries the one i have on now is the 2nd steering box it worked fin e for a couple of days then steering went stiff. i have jacked front end up and tried to bleed but nothing i took off pressure hose and turned over and fluid is flying out of the end of the pipe so its not a pressure issue on the return hose very little pressure not enough to go back to pump i have been using transmission fluid could this be the problem instead of using power steering fluid i thouight they were the same any help would be appriciated thx scot...
transmission fluid just seems to makes the seals leak... I would change the power steering pump.. inspect the pressure and return lines really good and make sure they aren’t kinked or blocked first... I have never had a steering box go bad.. they just get play and get sloppy
chris when the problem first accured of first reconned box i thought it was the pump and that was replaced only found out it was the box on hearing the noise i first heard in pump it was because steering box went bad but its strange how 2 have went bad thx scot also i have rebuild engine and it was the original box was on it that went bad as well so i thinking fluid can it be anything inside the box going bad:
very helpful video ..
what if i fucked up and didn't mark the housing, input shaft, and lock nut at the very beginning?
how do i get it reset correctly? the manual says 1/2 inch back off. i tried that but i got a lot of play in my steering wheel still.
I needs an inch and a half pounds of resistance on it .. just take the slack out
@@chriscraft77022 Thanks homie. will give it a try. i liked the videos and also sub'd.
is that gear box similar to the Chevy trucks cause the gear box in my 94 Gmc z71 is leaking from above my pitman arm
+Jordan Bolling they are all pretty much the same........... good luck with your project and feel free to ask me anything if you get stuck.............. they can get tricky
Does anyone know where to get those steel balls from? Mine are 12x 7.120mm and 12x 7.138mm
Boil it in TSP works great
Minute 5.50 . That bolt you said an idiot can adjust it wrong whats it for? I messed with it somone told me thats where you bleed the gear box and now the steering is HARD , help!
you mest up bad.. that is where you adjust the mesh between the gears.. if it is hard you will probably break the gears... you need to loosen it back.. but the process can not be explained in any youtube video...
My american willies jeep production year 1967 having manual steering gear box.from long time i
buy this jeep i can turn full only one side (up to tire touches the
body.)But other side can turn only half only.So for turn other side i
have to from and back the jeep 2-3 times.Where is the problem?How can i
fix the problem.Please help me..Thanks.
Hard worker mane
right off the bat I took mine mostly apart before I watched this video meaning I didn't mark that deal in the beginning of the video.
That mark if for the preload on the bearings .. just snug it up where you can still turn the shaft by hand
@@chriscraft77022 Thanks for that. The one I'm most worried about is the one that adjusts back and forth via an allen wrench then has the lock nut. This is I guess is the pitman shaft. The adjuster protrudes out of the side aluminum cover held by 4 bolts. I also took that completly apart. Do you know the adjustment on that one? Thanks
that’s the one you dont mess with.. the problem is now you spend money and time to rebuild and if those don’t mesh right they will wear out and you will have play in the box...
This is awesome !
Nice video
What's the plastic pan your using?
a plastic pan.........kitty litter box,whatever
So far every time I try and put the rack piston in with new o ring and teflon I destroy the teflon. How do you install the rack piston and not damage the teflon? I give up...
tmg24 i go over that in part 2 rebuild... reas tge comnents some guy talks about that
CRAFT REAL SCIENCE thanks! I'll try the hose clamp trick.