How to Rebuild a Saginaw Steering Gear Box (Detailed!) - Add Hydro Assist
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- This video is intended to be a very detailed video on replacing all the seals in a Saginaw steering box. It also briefly covers how to tap/port a box for hydro assist.
Bearing is KOYO BH-2020
Seal Kit is from PowerSteeringSeals.com part number PSS.SB.JEP.004
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Last updated: May 11, 2023
Hands down the best Saginaw rebuild video on YT.
33 min into Video. Anyone who is going to Rebuild a Steering Gear Box need only to watch this YT. Take a week, watch a little each day. VALUABLE information is contained inside.
I really appreciate this video. I tried to watch a few others but the over the top personalities and secondhand embarrassing jokes and hard to digest dialog was just too hard to follow. This is straight forward and no bullshit. No bullshit. Thanks a lot.
Excellent detailed video. I followed it today for a rebuild. Everything went smooth until I was ready to put the spool valve and worm gear back into the housing. The step to put the thrust(flat) bearing was missing. I reviewed that point in the video 5X and it was never mentioned, so I backed up to the beginning to see where it was removed from, and this let me know where it went during reassembly. This video is one of the best I've ever used for a complex process. The next one will be easy.
Wow, I can't believe I didn't show that. I'll have to go back and look. But good idea going back to the beginning.
I am your subscriber, sir. Please ask how to modify the Torque Rod in the Pinion Gear? . All this time I have been observing why no one has modified the Pinion Gear. The info is that by modifying the Pinion Gear you can lighten the steering. Thank you very much in advance, I am waiting for your answer and vlog
It is not recommended by most because the gear already has a lot of miles on it. Very rarely can that truly fix an issue. It must be done in small increments or you can cause it to bind up.
@@TheBFHGarage Thank you in advance for your attention , but sorry for your answer , i don't understand what you mean ? Can you explain what you mean further ?
This is great! I tried re-building one years ago before there were good videos on RUclips and I couldn't comprehend the directions (after all the ball bearings fell out). After watching this video I'm certain I could do it correctly and avoid buying a poorly done reman. I've returned multiple re-manufactured units to the local auto parts stores.
Great video. My son's 98 TJ box is leaking, I am going to have him watch this video so he can rebuild his box and save himself some money over buying a reman.
Personally By far the best steering box video ever 🎉🎉🎉
Detailed and well explained with very useful tips and tricks
Well done mate 👏
all i can say is a proffessional job and knowing how to deal with all marks and dry seals to prevent any damage in it 🤠👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🌹
A tip that mint help you...... as a trany guy we deal with Teflon seals, some you can buy the stretchers & shrinking cones but I have cut soda can & wrap it over the spool valve groves... then slide your seals on. Each grove covered except the one your putting on... in order. Your tin snips will roll the edge slightly so have it overlap so it faces the can & wont damage the seal. You can do the same for shrinking with that lip away from the seal again overlapping the aluminum can b4 using your hose clamp. We align out pump half's using a clamp b4 tightening the bolts.
@@darrinstone49 Nice! I love hearing feedback from others 👍
Excellent video one of the best I've ever seen. Covered everything descriptive and thorough thanks
Just as a suggestion, to protect the teflon seals and also to install them, but some shim stock.
It is available from industrial supply houses like McMaster-Carr in any thickness, sheet size, rolls, and material.
For this job a .004" stainless shim stock would be about right.
Wrap the teflon seals and then use the worm clamps as you did.
To install the teflon seals it helps to heat them slightly in warm power steering fluid and then wrap the stainless shim stock around the part and slide the reals all the way down without any trouble hitting the grooves.
The worm gear and nut with the balls in between with a return tube is called a 'ball screw' in industrial parlance. They must be taken apart and cleaned for inspection using methods very similar to what you used.
However, your use of a tiny zip tie to hold the return tube together in tight quarters was pure genius.
GREAT vid...most clearly done! i have been to bmw school an porsche factory training schools, never anything as good as this! !!! gonna start mine tomoro
Thank you for an excellent quality and informative video in this steering box and i feel i can not refer my jeeps' bot with out fear, will be subscribing to watch more of your work.
Exactly what I needed to learn - first time to rebuild- pretty much anything. Of course I had to watch the video a half dozen times. However; I had confidence the whole way through the rebuild. Thanks Ron Staggs
Thank you! Fantastic tutorial. 👍
When your putting the U shaped bearing holder at 1:05:30 What direction do the light colored bearings go in. Does the light color face the large opening or the black bearings face the large opening. Because there seems to be 2 ways it can sit in the two holes.
You want to alternate the black bearings with the chrome bearings. When you install the U channel, use the opposite color bearing that it will be butting up against.
@@TheBFHGarage thank you so much for the help. Without you I couldn’t learn this info in very many places. I don’t have anyone in my life to coach me along the way to fixing things myself. Thank you
Awesome how to video, you make it look so easy. Thanks.
Exceptionally well done video. Thank you!
Thanks again for the great instructions!
Question(s):
43:29 where does one obtain a new bearing for replacement? (Everyone I've found online wants to sell you the whole steering box, not internal parts)
45:16 how does one get that piece back in without destroying the O-ring? I've destroyed two o-rings (so far…) :(
Thanks!
The bearing number is listed in the description. Do a search online to see who has one. Add far as the O ring, be sure to have plenty of power steering fluid in it when you're trying to insert that part. Take your time and don't force it.
@@TheBFHGarage Thanks for the reply, sir.
The bearing listed in the description is for the sector shaft; the bearing I was looking for is the one that goes inside the spool valve and supports the steering input shaft. The sleeve-looking item is the part I was having difficulties with the o-ring. The unit I have is a Delphi, though the instructions you provided mostly worked for it.
Was thinking I might have to go to a GM dealer (with fingers crossed) and see if their parts manuals list it. but thought I'd ask in case you had that part number handy.
BTW, do you know of any sites that might have access to GM's parts manuals?
Thanks again!
@@jbak6892 oh gotcha, sorry about that. Yeah that might be your best bet. I do not know where you could find one or a parts manual.
Great video man! Helped out tremendously.
I’m a big fan of magnets in the garage. When I did this using your video, I stuck some small square neodymium’s on the housing next to the piston as pulled it out. Any bearings that were loose stuck to it instead of rushing out. Thanks for the help rebuilding my steering box!
Thanks awesome video. My steering gear box is shot I'm trying this rebuild kit..
Thank you for making the video!
Excellent video, thank you.
U took the time 2 give great inside. Gracias
De nada!
Do you have a video to rebuild a Hydroboost unit that used on these steering units? Thank you
I don't
I really appreciate the video. However, the ball bearings from my unit are very hard to discern the black from the silver. The color must've worn off over the years. Can you find out which is which by size?
Yeah some are just that way. You can try to measure with calipers. I've seen others just throw them in without concern.
@@TheBFHGarage Thanks for the quick reply. I think I will just purchase new ones. OEM part is only $35 for them. I have the service manual and it also says to alternate as you showed. I'd rather do it right once.
My calipers were not consistently finding a difference either.
@@TheBFHGarage For your or anybody else's reference, I measured all the balls twice with a micrometer. Half measured 279-279.5 thousandths; the other half measured 278-278.5 thousandths. The smaller pile does seem to look every so slightly darker, which complies with the service manual.
I apologize if you mentioned this in the video, I admit that I skipped through just to get the gist: does this help eliminate any center play or is this strictly to address leaks? If not, is it possible to renew the worm gear and/or recirculating balls on these in order to tighten up the slop?
This addresses the leaks for the most part. Worn parts are worn parts no matter how you look at it. The one thing that can help is a new sector shaft bearing. I have it listed in the description.
@@TheBFHGarage Thanks for the quick reply. So does no one supply new worm gears? Or slightly oversize balls?
@@birdrs not that I'm aware of
So why are you against adjusting the lash? What is worn that adjusting the lash solves? What parts am I meshing together to eliminate a sloppy steering wheel?@@TheBFHGarage
@@tim1299 It's not that I'm against it, it's just that adjusting it will rarely solve the problem. A steering gear with 300K miles will be worn and no amount of adjustment will fix that. Adjusting it tends to make it feel notchy and will lead to quick failure as the parts aren't meshing smoothly. Word of caution if you do decide to mess with your lash. First, make SMALL adjustments and test drive. Second, be ready for a plan B (different box).
A Duran Comprehensive , excellent
How do we contact you about the issues we have ? I have a misfire issue that I've tried everything to fix.
I’m using this video to rebuild a 99 Durango steer gear. It should have 3 turns lock to lock or that’s what it had before rebuild. Now it only has two. What do I check?
Can I replace just the seals on the top input shaft by removing locking ring, adjustment nut, and piston?
@@malcolmbennett7231 you can but it might be difficult to get someone under the plastic spacer to pull it out.
I’m looking to rebuild an 80-96/7 Ford truck steering box, it looks similar to this one. Is this a similar step by step for something like that?
They are very similar but be prepared for any differences. 👍
you mentioned there should be 24 balls mine only had 22 11 of each size . box is out of a 1964 El Camino your thoughts?
Different boxes can have different numbers of bearings and it sounds like yours is different than mine. CJ boxes are different than the TJ boxes.
It's necessary to loose the spool valve lug nut to install the piston and ball bearings???
That shouldn't be necessary for just that.
@@TheBFHGarage thank you
What are your thoughts on Red Head?
I think they have a great reputation. I've never run one but I wouldn't hesitate to. Everything I've read shows them as a solid product👍.
With your help I’m halfway through my rebuild. Everything was going good and then…for reasons unknown to me…
-Model 700 Saginaw with an 84 casting
-gates 349840 seal kit from Rock auto
-99 k2500 suburban 7.4 vortec 8600gvwr
The stub shaft seal is the wrong size. The one I removed is 32 mm o.d and what came in the kit is 35 mm. Any ideas what I’m missing? Thank you
I can't answer that question, other than what you've already identified. What's the rock auto part number you used? I always order from powersteeringseals.com
349640*
@@andrewenright7132 that shows as correct....🤷
Placed order with power steering seal. I will update when I know more! Hopefully can help someone besides myself
@@andrewenright7132 try calling them too to see what they think.
Do you happen to know the part number for the worm gear bearing? Since I am rebuilding it, I was gonna drop a new one in there but there is no part number on mine. I have the Delphi 26078664 if that makes a difference.
@@kies9047 look in the video description 👍
I'm working on an 00 Dodge Cummins Redhead box that started leaking. Nothing against Redhead. The box has upwards of 100,000 mi.
There are 26 ball bearings not 24. There is only an oil seal at the bottom of the pitman shaft which is held in with a washer and and a snap ring. No dust seal. There is another snap ring holding the bottom bearing in. Remove the bottom snap ring, pry the seal out, remove the 2nd snap ring if you need to take the bearing out. My bearing is good so I'll leave it alone.
The top bearing is in the top of the cover and I won't bother with it as all bearings seem in great shape. I hope I'm right. This is a lot of work.
The kit had a dust shield and an oil seal that together were the correct thickness. I installed all. I hope this doesn't leak because I have other projects and want to be done with this one. Thanks for this vid. Very helpful.
The piston, all ball bearings and stub shaft assembly is installed. Is the stub shaft supposed to have any in and out play once the lock nut is torqued down? I know the seal between the worm gear and spool valve assemble is correct.
My concern is that there is a 1/16" or less in and out movement if I pull on the stub shaft. About the only place it can be is the joint between the valve and worm gear since the worm gear is solid to the piston with the ball bearings installed.
I don't want to take it back apart but better now than when it is in the truck.
The nut should take out all play when it's tightened down. However, I wouldn't hesitate to run it as you described as long as you are 100% sure all the parts are installed correctly. Even if you have to pull it back out, you can now chock that up to experience!😁
Awesome video! Thank you it helped me to rebuild the box on my 02 Nissan frontier. I have to ask though, how did you lose your fingertip?
😂.... Kick back on a tablesaw.
As for the surface of the housing - How would you go about making it totally smooth? Let's say you wanted to get it real smooth so paint looked really good on it. How would you do it?
I would never waste time doing that. Stock boxes are cast and will be rough. If you want smooth but an aftermarket box.
@@TheBFHGarage Yes this would be for an old classic show truck that gets driven maybe 5k miles per year. I wanted to rebuild the box but I figured why not make it look nicer while I had it out.
Where do you get your seal kits? Torrington bearing? Not in kits i see. Also there is a flat ring deep inside housing,is that a wear ring for spool valve?
Seal kit is in the video description. As far as the ring, are you talking about the flat bearing?
@@TheBFHGarage when you take end cap off,look way down inside bore,there is a flat,low tension ring snapped in a groove. Thinking it like a wear ring or spacer. My box says delphi out of 2004 chevy 4x4 2500
@@chrisdespain6949 I'd have to look at a factory service manual. I work mainly on Jeep Wranglers. This video was a 97-02
@@TheBFHGarage thanks for info. Still cant get def.answer from anyone on sector shaft bearing. Try n punch it out and see if i can get number off it.
@@chrisdespain6949 just reach out to powersteeringseals.com and I'm sure they'll help you find what you need.
Best vid on RUclips explaining the steps.👍
Awesome!!!! Learned a lot from the video. My sister has a 99 GMC Suburban C1500. Her steering gear box is leaking on the top of the sector shaft where the allen and the nut is located at. Her husband said the nut was loose and when he tried to tighten the allen and the nut, it won't tighten so it still leaks. Is there a gasket on that nut or is it just the sealer that you said to replace? If there's no gasket where the allen and the nut is located at, my conclusion is the sector shaft is broken? Please help and thanks to you and anybody else that can help my sister and her husband.
The allen head is there for the adjustment. The nut secures it afterward. Not sure what he had going on there.
@@TheBFHGarage thanks.
My steering box was leaking power steering so I got the full rebuild kit, currently working on it right now haven’t finished yet but your video said 24 ball bearing. I opened mine up and it only has 22. I’ve never had a problem with the steering it was just the leak. Wondering if I should be worried about putting it back together with 2 missing even if it was already like that.
I know some boxes have a different number of balls. This came out of a Jeep Wrangler. Depending on what yours came out of it could be normal.
Hello Mike, Great video! I am getting ready to reseal my 664 casting and your video answered almost all of my questions. I have the seal kit and the KOYO bearing BH - 2020. But I also need the small bearing in the upper section of the spool valve as one of the needles is missing. I have been searching the web and cant find that bearing anywhere. Do you know of a source? Thanks again for the great video.
I don't for that one but I'm sure I have an extra used one laying around if you're interested in it. Email me.... Info in about me section
Thank you teacher you done a great job !
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Good video thanks!
I'm curious about sector shaft alignment issues when it's all buttoned up. I need to remove the box from the car, hopefully the wheels will be straight. But when putting it back in the car how do I know if the sector shaft is in the right alignment with the way it came out (to the pitman arm)? Or if the piston is in the correct location...not too far forward or back?
The sector shaft is keyed, so the pitman arm can only go on one way that will make sense. When you are done servicing the box, turn the input shaft lock to lock and count the number of turns it takes. Divide that by two and that will put the shaft at center.
@@TheBFHGarage thanks for the quick reply! I never removed these parts before,,I didnt know the pitman arm was keyed either. Great video. I plan on playing it while I tackle this job.
I have the 708 Saginaw where can I get a kit I see one from eldmann but it doesn’t say if it is for 708 thanks
Check powersteeringseals.com if they don't then I don't know🤷🏼
buena explicacion
Awe sum how to vid! What if only my sector shaft is leaking? can I get away with just changing the seals on it??
Yes, you'll still have to remove the sector shaft though.
@@TheBFHGarage Thanks for the reply. so long as I dont have to mess with those ball bearings.
My box (off a 70 k20) only has 22 ball bearings
They're all a little different, yet very much the same👍
Where can I purchase a bearing? mine is bad.
I put the bearing part number in the video description. You can source it from many different places.
Oustanding!!!
How did your housing look as far as the rag joint end was concerned? I got mine apart right now watching your video and I have three score marks inside the housing that are bad on the top and just scuffs on the bottom
I always inspect but I don't recall on that particular box. Worst case is it still leaks but 🤷
1:00:35 I thought that thing had an o ring?
@@user-369- did you see where it said insert an O ring?
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Thanks, very thorough and detailed.
Good angles with the camera and all. I have the confidence to try to not mess up mine and hopefully save myself a few hundred dollars.
Thanks for taking the time and posting such a thorough video. I’m about to do the Durango to TJ swap with hydro-assist. Planning on doing everything myself so I’m sure I’ll be coming back to this video.
Wow you broke that down and rebuilt it like a pro!
I work at the plant that made these boxes from 2001-on after the gun plant closed across town, as an electrical engineer. Thankfully we don't have to load the balls by hand, and we cheat a little bit getting those pesky teflon rings into the bores.
We make other boxes primarily at this point. Like you said, a lot of the time the housing eggs out where the main bearing in the direction the pitman arm travels, and that's where the play usually is, plus in the linkages. The Rack/Pitman Fan interface is usually not lashy unless someone has really abused the box.
I really appreciate the kind words! I also appreciate the additional information about it👍
so if your box has looseness, this rebuild wont fix it
great video, can a hair dryer be used to shrink the Teflon seals instead of the worm gear clamp method.
You could certainly give it a try. 🤷 The things we learn together!
Only reasons there aren’t a million views: Most people want a less than 5 min fix.
Most people have the “Oh just buy a new one” mentality
Absolutely correct!
Awesome Video! You really do set the standard for Instructional videos. Question - You explained the differences in the OE bearing vs After market and it sounded like you favored the after market bearing. Then it looked like you used the shouldered OE bearing in your steering box. Did I misunderstand? Which bearing do you prefer and could you include part numbers and/or where you got yours - Please?
I use KOYO bearing BH - 2020. You can source them from anywhere. I'll put the part in the description.
A made in Ga, USA bearing that will outlast the box!
I caught that too. I noticed the spacing between each bearing.
It is interesting you have found as I have the rebuilds are sloppy, not leak but still have uncontrolled play in sector assembly that cannot be tolerated cause they steer badly. ASE certified for 51 years, even hard to find good used...be sure to check loosness in the intermediate shaft to steering wheel. This guy is good
Appreciate you taking the time to show the amount of struggle to get those Teflon seals on. 1993 Toyota Land cruiser box is similar.
Just came to say this is a great video. Started on a different one and it skipped a few critical reassembly steps. Then I found yours- wish I would’ve started here. Thank you for taking the time to do this right.
Thank you very much for making this video. Beats the pants off a black and white chilton manual anyday!
I stretch my teflon rings to apply & then clamp them afterwards. They will shrink back some by themselves but clamping using my aluminum strips. Check out the tools we use on say the 700R4 input shaft seals.
I compared your video to the service manual. The service manual says that the pitman seal assembly should go in this order from inside to outside: Oil seal, Washer, Snap Ring, Dust Seal, Pitman Shaft Boot. Perhaps you don't have to hammer in the dust seal if the snap ring is already in? Did you intentionally reverse their order?
Does anyone know where to get those steel balls from? Mine are 12x 7.120mm and 12x 7.138mm
Thanks for another thorough and great video! It's timely for me. Ordered my seal kit and bearing today.
Nice job, but you did not set the preload on the worm or the clearance on the sector.
Relying on going back to the same settings that were present when you took it apart guatantees that you will not have adjusted out the play that resulted from wear so the box will be looser than a new box.
There is a proceedure to follow that is similar to setting the preload on differential gears or tapered roller bearings on the front axle of a rear wheel drive vehicle.
Thanks for the great video. Just used this to rebuild the steering gear in a 97 Astro van. Couple of things are different in the Astro. Apparently it has a reverse steering box, which took me a couple of tries to figure out that you have to add the balls with the piston starting at the outside instead of all the way in. When turning the input shaft counter clockwise on the Astro box it moves the piston in instead of out. After 2 attempts to add balls starting with the piston all the way in (the input shaft only turns clockwise from there once you get a couple of balls in) and dropping the balls into the bottom I finally figured it out. The other thing that was different was that the dust seal on the pitman shaft was on the outside of the snap ring when I took it apart. It is the orginal box (bought the van new in 97) and the service manual also shows it that way. Hope this helps the next guy that uses your awesome video on an Astro van. Thanks again.
Yeah there's a bunch that are different like you described, but your input here is really appreciated and hope it helps the next one. Thanks!
If I pay shipping, how much would you charge to do this for me? I have 97 ZJ.
Can you point me towards a span er wrench I can tighten the seal on the car. It's leaking from passenger Ford freestar and common on Taurus. A few inches deep pegs needed on recesses
If I find myself needing a tool like this I usually just make it. I focus solely on Jeep Wranglers so I'm sorry I can't be of much help here.
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amazing video, very well explained. would this be essentially the same process for a GM 2008 Sierra 2500 gear box? it is a 4 bolt top and looks nearly Identical to this box. But before I rip it out and tear into it I wanted to make sure. thanks
@@dcsann I can't speak to every gear box as they can have differences. Generally speaking, the process is usually the same. They might have a different number of bearings so pay close attention to the number that comes out. Also be sure to take photos and videos so you can see exactly how things come apart and go back together.
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Hi there The BFH Garage, I have a very big doubt , when I check if I have good rotation I turn to the right and is just one round , and turn left and is just one round, I'm not sure but I think that cool be not enough. do you know why?---
What vehicle is it in?
Great video, and I am almost finished but my Spool Valve does not come apart as it did in your video. The adjusting Nut had a snap ring, which I removed but that nut plus the next piece does not just slide off. Something feels like it is holding it in place. Did I miss something? Thanks
Depends on what your steering gear came off of. This video is specific to a Jeep Wrangler 97-02 although most other early boxes are similar. See if you can locate a factory service manual for your vehicle.
If this is about a Wrangler, it can take some wiggling and manipulation to get it to come out.
Great video, if I had only seen this one before I faught with mine The trick of shrinking down the teflon would have been nice to know. If the cap with the spanner nut is not marked is there a torque spec to start with? Also what about the lash adjuster?
The FSM will have a torque spec depending on the box. I've found that wheel the mark you set lines up is just when it starts to get tight. As far as the lash adjustment, I recommend that people leave that alone except under last resort situations. A box that had 200k miles on it can't be fixed by simply adjusting lash. Wear is wear and you can't get around that. People who adjust that lash need to understand that the box probably won't last much longer.
As I'm about to rebuild the steering box on my Winnebago I've watched numerous videos on how to rebuild it. I will just say you set the standard and will be the video I use when I pull mine apart. Excellent narration and the videography was superb. I've always said a good instructor can take a difficult job and make it look easy. I look forward to watching your other Jeep videos since my CJ8 needs some love.
Good luck with that project! The thing I don't like about videos is that they don't show the frustration the teacher encounters, and it does happen. Just be prepared for anything that doesn't go smooth and stick with it without losing your cool! Reinserting the ball bearings can take several attempts to get them all in.
Thank you. Great video.
Very good video
Thanks for this video. Following it to a tee. I'm at the part where piston goes back in and it won't go back in for nothing. I let it wrapped with that clamp for a few hours, then overnight, and now overnight again. This time I really tightened that that clamp down.
One observation. I had to buy two rebuild kits because I nicked up one of the seals. The Duralast kit I bought did not appear to have that little o ring for the spool valve. The Edelman kit did.
@@mattg5962 when you go to put in the Piston, have a ratchet with a socket on it on the end and twist as you're pushing it in, that helps
@@TheBFHGarage I got it in today, thank you.
So, I'm looking to rebuild the steering box for my 87 Chevy V10. Will the breakdown for that steering box be very similar to the breakdown of this one? Could I follow this video closely and it be similar enough that there should be minimal changes? I'm pretty mechanically inclined, I just want to make sure I won't run into something that I would have no idea what to do.
@@21shroom I believe so but can't say with 100% certainty. If you decide to tackle it. Just take pictures or video as you do it so you can reference how it came apart. But it should be close.
@@TheBFHGarage awesome. Yeah I’ll definitely take pictures and videos as well as reference your video. Thanks!!
is an Astro Van 1995..
is an Astro Van 1995.
I get to start rebuilding mine today, and this video looks very detailed!