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I agree and follow the same mindset.. I break my fast and consume high protein and fiber meals. Keeps me lean and mean. I eat now just for nutritional necessity. 18/6 weekend, 20/4 work days.
Same. Not intermittent fasting and not often but it really clears my head. Every time I start a fat loss phase, and occasionally throughout if I start feeling crave-y I’ll do a 24 hour fast and remind myself that being a little hungry for a little while just isn’t a big deal.
I use fasting to recalibrate. It resets my sense of taste and I don’t crave more “flavorful” foods. It also tips the balance of power from impulse to my mind. I have fasted for up to 9 days to prove my mind is stronger than my impulses.
Fasting saved my life. Watching you and other fitness folks and doctors on youtube helped rebuild my brain for one. Long story, but decades of pickling it with alcohol. Does things to your brain. And my body Here's what I didn't realize at the time. Fasting and prayer together is super fuel for your spirit. I've never in my life felt closer to my Lord Jesus Christ than i do right now. When he healed me from alcoholism, he did it right. I don't crave it at all. In fact I've grown a hatred for it. But add in fasting, praying and exercise and now I understand that my Lord does nothing half ass. When he comes to save you, he removes every bad thing from your life over time and next thing you know, you feel human again. God bless.
I signed up for RP hypertrophy app after getting back into weightlifting at 43. It has really helped me, giving me a structure for workouts. Dr Mike is the man…and he’s hilarious. I swear this isn’t Dr Mike posting..lol
Thomas and Dr.Mike ……easy watch!! Thank you both! I’m down over 100 pounds in the last year thanks to knowledge and expertise from people like these 2. God Bless you all!!!!!
Guests on the show have been top notch lately. Thomas DeLauer starting out as a low-carb fitness guru (little bit of zealotry) to a scientific minded individual with a nuanced approach is awesome to see.
Exercise and resistance training does more for autophagy even than fasting. So fasting isn't bad, but its not the exclusive route to achieving autophagy.
Also people dont really understand that our body not just boosts certain states from 0-100%. Autophagy is severely overrated and the whole idea of 16 hour fasting windows is based on a study with mice, which have a way faster metabolism than us. For real autophagy benefits you probably would have to fast several days...but this comes with other problems, so IF this is a healthy approach heavily depends on every persons own situation.
Depends on what you want out of it. If you want it more for detoxing and cellular regeneration than fasting is the best. If you want it more for muscle to replace fat that working out is the best. A big dummy would just find a way to balance the two.
Thomas, resubscribing, mad respect for following your learning and not just sticking in the low carb space to placate your fans. We need more people willing to change their minds as they learn.
Mike's personality is so golden, most people don't know when to take him seriously and when not to. But that just shows us his real character and that he's not hiding anything (other than his hair and depression). lol Love this dude.
I love how Mike will say something inappropriate and Thomas will just sit there quietly until he changes the subject and the conversation continues 🤣🤣🤣 makes it even more hilarious
@@PumkpinSpiceAverythe people that feel this way don't eat processed food and have to eat upwards of 5-6 thousand calories a day. Eating 5-6k of clean calories is a chore.
@@Scion15i am taking bupropion and shit... I need to force myself to eat. I thought of getting some lowdose cannabis prescribed just because i am not as hungry as i needed to be. Ten years ago i ate for two, more than my 200pd gym buddy who is the same height as me, he was dumbfounded every time. I am glad if i get my protein in and some carbs...
Thomas, I just want you to know I started water fasting because of your channel. I started ketosis because of your channel. And I am down 60 pounds from my heaviest because of your information. Thank you.
Thomas, thank you so much for bringing prominent figures of the YT fitness world to your audience. Although already rich in great content, it makes your channel even richer and your effort is noticeable. Please keep doing this.
I love Dr. Mike! I have been watching him for almost a year now. He has the best humor. He is truly a joy to learn from. I'm glad you matched his energy and his humor. I have noticed other health influencers have struggled to catch his humor and take things personally.
We need more people like this in the strength and wellness space. Not dogmatic in the beliefs and truly want what’s best for people. Fun to hear Thomas joking along with Dr. Mike this was great!
It's funny because Thomas was one of the main reasons I started out my weight loss or health journey with a keto diet, even though I had skimmed through the RP audiobook at that time. Now, I've based my nutrition more around RP and find it way more sustainable, approachable, and so much less restrictive. Not to bash keto, it worked for me when I was severely overweight and not at all physically active. When I started adding training and exercise, though, I just could not stick to keto for any significant amount of time. I'll take my oats, fruit, and eat my cake, too.
I had much the same experience. Working out fasted was fantastic - until it wasn't. My fitness and activity level hit the point where I need the carbs because I'm going to burn them, and my liver can't keep up. And yes, eating is annoying! I feel like a toddler always making sure I have my snacks. But it turns out food gives you energy. Who knew?
That MRV discussion really hit home for me. I'm very guilty of pushing hard at work to get things done, then getting sick after too many days with not enough sleep and too much stress. It's hard to change, though, when you start expecting it of yourself and the people around you begin relying on it, too. So hard to KNOW I could go harder, but also appreciate it's not sustainable.
I’ve never heard of Dr. Mike. So glad he was on the show. What a total gem! He’s so funny and knowledgeable. This was just a great episode with these two. Thanks!
Two of the best fitness influencers on RUclips and it is a MUST watch! If you are not following both of these guys, you are doing yourself a great disservice.
Anytime, we learn something, we were either incorrect or incomplete before. Anybody who hasn’t changed their mind drastically over period of time, isn’t learning.
Yeah! That's someone I want to take advice from! A person, who was wrong in the past, but changes his mind when his incorrect claims from the past turn out to be false. That makes for excellent health advice! The information to the contrary of his claims was out there 20 yrs ago btw. And the harmful effects of steroid-use has been known at least since the 80's. @TheRealJohnHooper
Or they have just held on to a ton of false beliefs that they may have learned from an uniformed source. Others knew the correct info about inflammatory foods or the damage of steroid abuse 20 yrs ago. THOSE people didn't have to change their minds. Just because he has a piece of paper on the wall, doesn't mean he knows the facts. we ALL learned that over the past 3 yrs?
BS! I have never changed my mind drastically about anything. That’s not learning. That’s trends, appeal to authority, group think, monkey see monkey do. There are lots of old school paradigms and dogma that works has always worked and will always work. Dr. Mike Israetel takes drugs. LOTS of guys (and gals) do to. Thomas I guarantee you is not natural to the point he does not use any man made pharmaceuticals legal or otherwise. This changes A LOT of things. Im not bashing them but its a different level. Genetics also play a huge role.
Mikes explanation of MRV just hit me so hard. This is what I’ve been experiencing my entire 6 years of lifting and only realized it a year or two ago. I always had great leg genetics and hit them hard because I was good at it. For years my bench would always stagnate at beginner to intermediate while my squat and deadlift have worked up to elite levels. Now I literally have to stop doing legs besides very light/cardio level to move my upper body numbers. Such a light bulb
I love what he’s saying about studies. Very few people, including those in health care, fail to READ and analyze studies before validating the data as factual.
LOVE THIS!!! 👏👏 The entire premise of this video--show the audience the importance of being open-minded and willing to change based no new/better data--is perfect! And having Dr. Mike, the funniest scientist on RUclips, deliver that message is brilliant. Fantastic! 👍👍
"Funniest" on RUclips? Perhaps. Healthiest? Unlikely! Unless the Science suggests that taking PEDs and TRT between cycles is healthy? Maybe it is? I don't know! I'm not a scientist!
I stumbled on to RP a few years ago and my entire life improved. Not least of which was my muscle building endeavors. It’s not sexy but it works. For those interested, he also has a philosophy channel.
3:05 what he said after that made me say “AWWWWW” out loud, what a sweetheart, I hope he makes a family one day💕what a sweet man, love this interview so far, the information and way he speaks is very digestible.
@@suppressor6172 Yah - that's what I thought😀 ...why would he say he has no family, then? (also, his several references to lonliness - not his necessarily - but those comments set me to thinking that maybe he & his wife split?😮 Hope not😢
@@barbarafairbanks4578they haven't split, he just has very self-deprecating humour. When I first started watching him I didn't even know he had been happily married for years.
Everybody with different takes on eating. I was Carnivore for 30 months. Still meat based, 2 meals ,but now i eat an avocado a day. olives, block cheddar, full fat 10% cabot yogurt sweetened with organic liquid monk fruit from now foods. Cottage cheese, and 1 slice of italian sourdough bread from Aldi. 2 lbs. of beef,6 pastured eggs, Lilly's stevia sweetened chocolate for my after meal. I'm 72 weight train and kettlebell, some sprints, weigh 188 at 6' 1" 3 cups of coffee with heavy cream. Satisfies me and sustainable.
If you are starting out unhealthy and prediabetic, fasting is a great way to set you straight and go with Thomas’s plan. If you are mostly healthy and just wanting to lose a little weight or put on muscle, go with dr mikes plan.
@@Chris90.eh I think fasting has much more positive effects on mental discipline which will lead to better results - there’s so much more than just calories and timing. But if less calories starts to fix an overeating situation then longer periods of not eating is clearly more beneficial for a time.
@@WideAwakeHuman true, the mental discipline developed through fasting can be great, but like with anything, there are still risks and potential downsides for some people. While fasting may work well for you and many others, Ive had many clients use fasting unsuccessfully. In fact, some end up developing binge eating behavior, and end up overconsuming caloreis leading to a worse situation then they started. The individual response and nuance is key for sure.
I would pretty much agree - as long as that discipline remains when it is time to eat! but we need to distinguish whether or not we are talking about prolonged fasting, or just a routine intermittent fast (which everyone does as most of it comes through sleep, and a lot of the times people aren't hungry after first waking in the morning) having a controlled eating window can be a much easier and intuitive way for people to induce a calorie deficit. as opposed to, tracking and entering their energy intake. which pretty much leads me back to how it all comes down to the individual preference
@@SM_RD exactly. everything is a u-shaped curve. fasting is no different. I literally touched on this aspect revolving around discipline in my previous comment; the discipline has to remain intact after you BREAK the fast, as well. but generally, the longer people go without eating, the harder it is to be disciplined when it's time to eat again
100 on that guy. ive been into fitness/MA/bod building since late 90ties. he is manifasting everything i know and practicsed by science. this is coach science at 10 lvl
Magic. Who knew doing something as simple as 'ask some smart people how they have changed their mind' and you get a gold mine of genuine food for thought. Please do more of the "Change Mind" guest spots.
An excellent heart-to-heart, wide-ranging and very relevant, and very humorous discussion between two guys who walk the walk. I'm age 78 and I still regularly lift and run and swim and bike, etc. and as a result I still enjoy a high level of overall fitness for any age thank you very much. I'd like to chime in a word for what I like to call "vital longevity". If you take any kind of decent care of yourself you have a good probability of reaching age 85 or beyond. This means that you have a good chance of spending 20 years or more over the age of 65 and 10 years or more over the age of 75. Think about it a moment and weep. You will then be officially "OLD". And I can positively guarantee that your #1 priority training goal will not be hypertrophy, no indeed, your #1 priority will be to be pain- and injury-free and to remaining pain- and injury-free for as long as you can. So here's the take-home. When you look in the mirror to admire your muscular gains when you're young and middle-aged, look real hard at your reflection and over your bulging delts you will see an 80+ year old old guy. Tell me, is he fit and strong and smiling and giving you a thumbs up because you trained prudently for the long-haul, or is he in decrepit shape, bowed by chronic joint and back pain, depressed and giving you the finger because you had to be the macho "train through pain" tough guy, didn't you?
The section about MRV definitely hit home as someone who has tried many different powerlifting and hypertrophy programs. I see all these posts talking about low volume high intensity outputs being the best without ever factoring in specificity for strength sport application or bothering to differentiate between individual muscle types. This is why there is a huge difference between juiced up lifters and naturals, naturals generally do better with higher frequency and lower intensity simply due to the amount of damage incurred to the both the muscles and joints/ligaments. My squat max stalled for a long time and what pushed me through the plateau was switching to a squat centric program where I was squatting 3 times a week of varying intensity/volume and keeping the rest of my training volume reduced for a few months. My body adapted incredibly fast and actually reduced some of the other issues I was having by trying to cram too much volume into all areas.
Just awesome, Brilliant! Loved all of it! By far one of my favorite interviews in this space, ever! Dr Mike is freaking hilarious 😂 and I love his analogies!
Starting my journey with thomas for nutrition. And im currently a huge RP fan. The diet app is great. I may try the hypertrophy one day but the RUclips videos are more than enough for now. Dr Mike is king
@@canadianfirst8326 I mean if you start fat anything that has you cutting back a bit on calories will work. What works long term and consistently is going to be based upon data driven methods, and not flighty influencers like Thomas. I am happy he came out and said he was full of shit and at least now is trying to do better, but I will stick with the people who have not misled us
Love this idea on fasting… as I hate fasting and can’t eat… I get shaky and can’t think.. I need to eat constantly to feel good. My weight hasn’t fluctuated in 25 years
Been following Dr. Mike for about a year now. I see weight training through a scientific mindset now. I have benefitted from his advice, which is highly motivating through his humor. So many people out there giving advice, felt like i was bouncing off walls...Dr. Mikes advice has me moving forward through multiple mesocycle plans for bulking to cutting and maintaining.
Dr Mike is one of my favourite people on RUclips when it goes to workout knowledge and not only. You gotta appreciate his humour. Thank you Thomas for bringing him on your channel 😊
You simply just gotta! No other choice! Fitness advice from a guy who's admitted to taking PEDs and being in TRT between cycles because he "f---ed"-up" his own body, is probably great advice. That doctorate degree on his wall proves it! Scientist, after all!
I hated that part because it means I can't keep pretending its ok to just drink an 80gr whey shake after my workout and not worry about it for the rest of the day.
Great video. Much respect for bringing in guys like Layne and Mike for civil discussions. Speaks to your character that you’re willing to be driven by knowledge rather than ideology.
He's right. Overtraining is a real thing, and it can be difficult to know when you're pushing yourself to the the top just before you go over the edge. Rest is key
Just wanted to give a thanks to both of you (and those involved in production of course) for this video. Been following Dr. Mike for a while but missed this whole MRV concept until it was explained here. My progress has been stagnant if not downright declining week to week for the last month or so, and now I'm absolutely confident I'm going beyond my MRV systemically. My total weight training volume, cardio, added summertime work hours and stress....it's too much. I'm going to drop down to maintenance level next week and see how I feel at the end of it, then start adding sets back each week until I find that happy medium. It's much easier for me to push hard and overdo it then it is to take a break, which seems like exactly what I need. Thanks again guys
Being someone with super low self esteem body dysmorphia and 80% of the time I'm exercising is for my metal health, the I ly way to turn my brain off, I am struggling so bad not o wr doing it , finding a balance.. I'm also a runner and started weight lifting 5 months ago.i just started switching my cardio run 5-6 miles or hour 15% incline for a hour or weighted stairs level 7 45- 1 hour. And now weight lifting.. I know .. I know im doing too much , but cant stop ..( i wont evem start in my while food diet) my mental health is more important to be right now ..but at same time .. while.doing all this my energy has been at its highest and iv never felt better.. I'm finally seeing the gains and muscles and leaning out even though I started at 22 percent body fat , again iv watched both all your videos so I know the science and logic behind my insanity.. but I can't stop. 😢
I visit Dr. Mike for bodybuilding and sport-specific knowledge and jokes, and I go to Mr. Delaeur for nutrition. This is an incredible combination. Thank you both!
One thing that doesn't come up very often but I tell young kids all the time is that if no one is paying you to be physically awesome, you have to find a way to be happy in the gym after most of your gains are done. I'm, 48 and absolutely love lifting because I mostly just improv what feels most recovered because I have been pretty jacked for more than a decade. If I came in and went absolutely crazy for a year, I would barely change but I would probably hate it. I'm happy to be the old guy at the gym who still pushes weight but does so with a smile on his face.
I was literally thinking ab Dr Mike’s take on diet soda earlier when i was watching a video on NAC and its effects on counteracting aspartame’s negative cognition effect.
@@sergedotcom not sure which take the OP is referring to specifically, but I've seen a few of Dr Mike's videos on this topic -- in short, it's harmless.
@@user-eb4gh3nr4uIf your body decides it hasn't had enough to eat or drink, you'll be unable to fall or stay asleep. Taking too many electrolytes can apparently do it too 😅
Peter Attia talked about autogaphy in a podcast and stated autogaphy doesnt start until after day 7 of a strict water fast, and that number is still being studied. Thoughts? He also stated on a 16/8 fast yiu destroy muscle mass as protein intake is inhibited with just eating two meals and not able to get enough protein.
fasting is just something that really works for my lifestyle. my body does it naturally. i’m generally an evening person and so i always had an issue with breakfast. i enjoy it but i do have a problem with eating enough. especially as i got into resistance training its a big thing im trying to solve
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Fasting broke my food obsession. Now food is just food. Stopped craving junk food. Calms my brain. No trouble working out fasted. I do love it.
I agree and follow the same mindset.. I break my fast and consume high protein and fiber meals. Keeps me lean and mean. I eat now just for nutritional necessity. 18/6 weekend, 20/4 work days.
Same. Not intermittent fasting and not often but it really clears my head.
Every time I start a fat loss phase, and occasionally throughout if I start feeling crave-y I’ll do a 24 hour fast and remind myself that being a little hungry for a little while just isn’t a big deal.
Fasting has become a new obsession. The obsession for lack. I like Mike, he teaches you how to have the best of both worlds 😜
I use fasting to recalibrate. It resets my sense of taste and I don’t crave more “flavorful” foods. It also tips the balance of power from impulse to my mind. I have fasted for up to 9 days to prove my mind is stronger than my impulses.
@@iamwhoyousayiam6773thats like saying quitting porn is an obsession. Are you ok bro?
I listened so far for 5 minutes and 47 seconds and Mike hasn't sworn once. 😮 I actually didn't think he could do that.
Technically, you can't hear him swear one f**king time in this video. ;)
@@Mikeztarp True. But he didn't even get bleeped out for 5:47, which I thought was amazing. Then the real Mike came out soon afterwards.
lol yeah and then the next 50:00 minutes it’s like “oh hey, there’s the Mike we all know” 😂
@@mantorok09 Well at least he tried. 😜
They beeped it out
Fasting saved my life. Watching you and other fitness folks and doctors on youtube helped rebuild my brain for one. Long story, but decades of pickling it with alcohol. Does things to your brain. And my body
Here's what I didn't realize at the time. Fasting and prayer together is super fuel for your spirit.
I've never in my life felt closer to my Lord Jesus Christ than i do right now. When he healed me from alcoholism, he did it right. I don't crave it at all. In fact I've grown a hatred for it.
But add in fasting, praying and exercise and now I understand that my Lord does nothing half ass. When he comes to save you, he removes every bad thing from your life over time and next thing you know, you feel human again.
God bless.
It's crazy Thomas has Mike on today, I just started watching Mike A TON the last few weeks. He's HILARIOUS and pretty informative
So true 🦾💪
@@jordanxfile "There are some things MORALLY you can't get out of a couch". 🤣
Does he have a channel?
@@CekatuRenaissance periodization
@@CekatuRenaissance Periodization. He is a treasure trove of info, and also funny.
I signed up for RP hypertrophy app after getting back into weightlifting at 43. It has really helped me, giving me a structure for workouts. Dr Mike is the man…and he’s hilarious.
I swear this isn’t Dr Mike posting..lol
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Clearly its Dr Mikes butler posting this.
Thomas and Dr.Mike ……easy watch!! Thank you both! I’m down over 100 pounds in the last year thanks to knowledge and expertise from people like these 2. God Bless you all!!!!!
Sweet! I'm down 93 lbs! Can't wait to see where we go in 2024!
@@RLeeErmy Yessssss! Just takes consistency and not giving up! best of luck!
Keep up the good work!
That’s fucking amazing work! That’s really really impressive
Wow. That is fantastic. Congrats.
Guests on the show have been top notch lately. Thomas DeLauer starting out as a low-carb fitness guru (little bit of zealotry) to a scientific minded individual with a nuanced approach is awesome to see.
Yeah, we get to see all the bogus "science." This Doctor is fat and wrong.
It's been really cool, I really respect that he's been willing to accept the evidence based perspective as he's come along.
Exercise and resistance training does more for autophagy even than fasting. So fasting isn't bad, but its not the exclusive route to achieving autophagy.
Best comment here
Yes it is
Also people dont really understand that our body not just boosts certain states from 0-100%. Autophagy is severely overrated and the whole idea of 16 hour fasting windows is based on a study with mice, which have a way faster metabolism than us. For real autophagy benefits you probably would have to fast several days...but this comes with other problems, so IF this is a healthy approach heavily depends on every persons own situation.
@@reuterss306. It’s about 2-3 days of fasting for autophagy. Your HGh levels spike to insane levels too
Depends on what you want out of it. If you want it more for detoxing and cellular regeneration than fasting is the best. If you want it more for muscle to replace fat that working out is the best. A big dummy would just find a way to balance the two.
"my balding and depression aside" this man cant miss
The fact Thomas is interviewing Mike Israetel shows how far Thomas has come. Respect.
Dr Mike Israetel
Thomas, resubscribing, mad respect for following your learning and not just sticking in the low carb space to placate your fans. We need more people willing to change their minds as they learn.
Mike's personality is so golden, most people don't know when to take him seriously and when not to. But that just shows us his real character and that he's not hiding anything (other than his hair and depression). lol Love this dude.
you can just tell he’s slav. i love him so much cause he’s got that slav attitude but is way more knowledgeable than local fitness influencers
Just found out about Dr. Mike just recently and his humor in the way he describes his topics is fire! keeps me engaged.
I love how Mike will say something inappropriate and Thomas will just sit there quietly until he changes the subject and the conversation continues 🤣🤣🤣 makes it even more hilarious
" Sometimes eating is annoying. " M. Israetel
Yes yes yes!!!!!
This was the exact moment in my life that I decided some people really are built different. Literally not even once for me.
@@PumkpinSpiceAverythe people that feel this way don't eat processed food and have to eat upwards of 5-6 thousand calories a day. Eating 5-6k of clean calories is a chore.
@@Rednada88it's not just bodybuilders. Regular people can have big issues with appetite and just not enjoying eating.
It's them damn orals
@@Scion15i am taking bupropion and shit... I need to force myself to eat. I thought of getting some lowdose cannabis prescribed just because i am not as hungry as i needed to be.
Ten years ago i ate for two, more than my 200pd gym buddy who is the same height as me, he was dumbfounded every time.
I am glad if i get my protein in and some carbs...
Wonderful video. Love the knowledge, humility, and humor of Dr. Mike Israeltel.
love how he’s confident but not arrogant. super cool dude
Thomas, I just want you to know I started water fasting because of your channel. I started ketosis because of your channel. And I am down 60 pounds from my heaviest because of your information. Thank you.
Thomas, thank you so much for bringing prominent figures of the YT fitness world to your audience. Although already rich in great content, it makes your channel even richer and your effort is noticeable. Please keep doing this.
Love Dr. Mike...he's what this industry needs. FACTS AND HUMOR!!!
I love Dr. Mike! I have been watching him for almost a year now. He has the best humor. He is truly a joy to learn from.
I'm glad you matched his energy and his humor. I have noticed other health influencers have struggled to catch his humor and take things personally.
We need more people like this in the strength and wellness space. Not dogmatic in the beliefs and truly want what’s best for people. Fun to hear Thomas joking along with Dr. Mike this was great!
It's funny because Thomas was one of the main reasons I started out my weight loss or health journey with a keto diet, even though I had skimmed through the RP audiobook at that time.
Now, I've based my nutrition more around RP and find it way more sustainable, approachable, and so much less restrictive.
Not to bash keto, it worked for me when I was severely overweight and not at all physically active. When I started adding training and exercise, though, I just could not stick to keto for any significant amount of time. I'll take my oats, fruit, and eat my cake, too.
I had much the same experience. Working out fasted was fantastic - until it wasn't. My fitness and activity level hit the point where I need the carbs because I'm going to burn them, and my liver can't keep up. And yes, eating is annoying! I feel like a toddler always making sure I have my snacks. But it turns out food gives you energy. Who knew?
That MRV discussion really hit home for me. I'm very guilty of pushing hard at work to get things done, then getting sick after too many days with not enough sleep and too much stress. It's hard to change, though, when you start expecting it of yourself and the people around you begin relying on it, too. So hard to KNOW I could go harder, but also appreciate it's not sustainable.
I’ve never heard of Dr. Mike. So glad he was on the show. What a total gem! He’s so funny and knowledgeable. This was just a great episode with these two. Thanks!
Oh man, you're in for a show
Two of the best fitness influencers on RUclips and it is a MUST watch! If you are not following both of these guys, you are doing yourself a great disservice.
I never thought I would see this collab, Dr Mike is the GOAT
Anytime, we learn something, we were either incorrect or incomplete before.
Anybody who hasn’t changed their mind drastically over period of time, isn’t learning.
Yeah! That's someone I want to take advice from! A person, who was wrong in the past, but changes his mind when his incorrect claims from the past turn out to be false. That makes for excellent health advice! The information to the contrary of his claims was out there 20 yrs ago btw. And the harmful effects of steroid-use has been known at least since the 80's. @TheRealJohnHooper
Or they have just held on to a ton of false beliefs that they may have learned from an uniformed source. Others knew the correct info about inflammatory foods or the damage of steroid abuse 20 yrs ago. THOSE people didn't have to change their minds. Just because he has a piece of paper on the wall, doesn't mean he knows the facts. we ALL learned that over the past 3 yrs?
@TheRealJohnHooper
Yeah learning to get fat like him
Both look overweight
BS! I have never changed my mind drastically about anything. That’s not learning. That’s trends, appeal to authority, group think, monkey see monkey do. There are lots of old school paradigms and dogma that works has always worked and will always work. Dr. Mike Israetel takes drugs. LOTS of guys (and gals) do to. Thomas I guarantee you is not natural to the point he does not use any man made pharmaceuticals legal or otherwise. This changes A LOT of things. Im not bashing them but its a different level. Genetics also play a huge role.
Mikes explanation of MRV just hit me so hard. This is what I’ve been experiencing my entire 6 years of lifting and only realized it a year or two ago. I always had great leg genetics and hit them hard because I was good at it. For years my bench would always stagnate at beginner to intermediate while my squat and deadlift have worked up to elite levels. Now I literally have to stop doing legs besides very light/cardio level to move my upper body numbers. Such a light bulb
Thank you Thomas for inviting this guest! I'm following him now because of this interview. Bonus that Dr Israetel is HILARIOUS
I love what he’s saying about studies. Very few people, including those in health care, fail to READ and analyze studies before validating the data as factual.
the problem is that people think studies can be factual
LOVE THIS!!! 👏👏 The entire premise of this video--show the audience the importance of being open-minded and willing to change based no new/better data--is perfect! And having Dr. Mike, the funniest scientist on RUclips, deliver that message is brilliant. Fantastic! 👍👍
"Funniest" on RUclips? Perhaps. Healthiest? Unlikely! Unless the Science suggests that taking PEDs and TRT between cycles is healthy? Maybe it is? I don't know! I'm not a scientist!
I’ve said this before but It’s worth mentioning again. Thank you for having expert guests on your channel to discuss fitness and nutrition.
This episode was probably the most informative and funniest at the same time. Dr. Mike could do stand up, he’s on that level atm.
he’s hilarious
Thank you, Thomas. Ive been watching you and Mike for several years, both very insightful.
I stumbled on to RP a few years ago and my entire life improved. Not least of which was my muscle building endeavors. It’s not sexy but it works. For those interested, he also has a philosophy channel.
Thanks for mentioning the philosophy channel, I’ll have to check that out.
3:05 what he said after that made me say “AWWWWW” out loud, what a sweetheart, I hope he makes a family one day💕what a sweet man, love this interview so far, the information and way he speaks is very digestible.
He is married to lovely Dr. Crystal. They are hilarious.
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Yah - that's what I thought😀
...why would he say he has no family, then?
(also, his several references to lonliness - not his necessarily - but those comments set me to thinking that maybe he & his wife split?😮
Hope not😢
On his channel he likes saying I have never been with a woman he is just a funny dude 🤣
@@barbarafairbanks4578they haven't split, he just has very self-deprecating humour. When I first started watching him I didn't even know he had been happily married for years.
Great interview! Two of my favourite RUclipsrs; and health/fitness "experts" that I follow, and who have helped me lose close to 200 lbs.
Man that's about what I weigh. It's like you were carrying me around. Awesome brother. Good job
@thomasgustafsson7962 Thanks man, very much appreciated. Feel so much better!
Man I have been waiting for this. Thanks for having Dr. Mike on, Thomas!
Tom and Dr Mike together makes for a really good balance of education and humour
Dr. Mike's sense of humour is endearing! He can definitely kill as a stand-up comedian 🙌 respect!
Everybody with different takes on eating. I was Carnivore for 30 months. Still meat based, 2 meals ,but now i eat an avocado a day. olives, block cheddar, full fat 10% cabot yogurt sweetened with organic liquid monk fruit from now foods. Cottage cheese, and 1 slice of italian sourdough bread from Aldi. 2 lbs. of beef,6 pastured eggs, Lilly's stevia sweetened chocolate for my after meal. I'm 72 weight train and kettlebell, some sprints, weigh 188 at 6' 1" 3 cups of coffee with heavy cream. Satisfies me and sustainable.
Dannon Whole Milk Plain is pretty good if you can find it. It's a Struggle to find Regular Fatty Yogurt now.
Wondering about the likelihood of a certain "Exercise Scientist" sprinting at 72?🤔
lol ‘sustainable’ not for the planet
@@user-ib9ky2jo9h The Planet? Animals regenerate the soil. Mono crops destroy it.
@@user-ib9ky2jo9hHumans at this point aren't anywhere near sustainable for this planet. I would rather be healthy than sickly.
Thank you Thomas and Mike for all the help throughout the years. You've helped more people than you'll ever know.
- Godspeed
If you are starting out unhealthy and prediabetic, fasting is a great way to set you straight and go with Thomas’s plan. If you are mostly healthy and just wanting to lose a little weight or put on muscle, go with dr mikes plan.
mike's plan will work for either scenario. all depends on what the person prefers, and finds to be the most sustainable for their lifestyle!
@@Chris90.eh I think fasting has much more positive effects on mental discipline which will lead to better results - there’s so much more than just calories and timing. But if less calories starts to fix an overeating situation then longer periods of not eating is clearly more beneficial for a time.
@@WideAwakeHuman true, the mental discipline developed through fasting can be great, but like with anything, there are still risks and potential downsides for some people. While fasting may work well for you and many others, Ive had many clients use fasting unsuccessfully. In fact, some end up developing binge eating behavior, and end up overconsuming caloreis leading to a worse situation then they started. The individual response and nuance is key for sure.
I would pretty much agree - as long as that discipline remains when it is time to eat! but we need to distinguish whether or not we are talking about prolonged fasting, or just a routine intermittent fast (which everyone does as most of it comes through sleep, and a lot of the times people aren't hungry after first waking in the morning) having a controlled eating window can be a much easier and intuitive way for people to induce a calorie deficit. as opposed to, tracking and entering their energy intake. which pretty much leads me back to how it all comes down to the individual preference
@@SM_RD exactly. everything is a u-shaped curve. fasting is no different. I literally touched on this aspect revolving around discipline in my previous comment; the discipline has to remain intact after you BREAK the fast, as well. but generally, the longer people go without eating, the harder it is to be disciplined when it's time to eat again
Mike always cracks me up - very insightful but such a great sense of humour. Bring him back for more!
100 on that guy. ive been into fitness/MA/bod building since late 90ties. he is manifasting everything i know and practicsed by science. this is coach science at 10 lvl
Dr mike deserves another episode 👊
Dr Mike is awesome for showing his open mindedness
Magic. Who knew doing something as simple as 'ask some smart people how they have changed their mind' and you get a gold mine of genuine food for thought. Please do more of the "Change Mind" guest spots.
An excellent heart-to-heart, wide-ranging and very relevant, and very humorous discussion between two guys who walk the walk.
I'm age 78 and I still regularly lift and run and swim and bike, etc. and as a result I still enjoy a high level of overall fitness for any age thank you very much. I'd like to chime in a word for what I like to call "vital longevity". If you take any kind of decent care of yourself you have a good probability of reaching age 85 or beyond. This means that you have a good chance of spending 20 years or more over the age of 65 and 10 years or more over the age of 75. Think about it a moment and weep. You will then be officially "OLD". And I can positively guarantee that your #1 priority training goal will not be hypertrophy, no indeed, your #1 priority will be to be pain- and injury-free and to remaining pain- and injury-free for as long as you can.
So here's the take-home. When you look in the mirror to admire your muscular gains when you're young and middle-aged, look real hard at your reflection and over your bulging delts you will see an 80+ year old old guy. Tell me, is he fit and strong and smiling and giving you a thumbs up because you trained prudently for the long-haul, or is he in decrepit shape, bowed by chronic joint and back pain, depressed and giving you the finger because you had to be the macho "train through pain" tough guy, didn't you?
The section about MRV definitely hit home as someone who has tried many different powerlifting and hypertrophy programs. I see all these posts talking about low volume high intensity outputs being the best without ever factoring in specificity for strength sport application or bothering to differentiate between individual muscle types. This is why there is a huge difference between juiced up lifters and naturals, naturals generally do better with higher frequency and lower intensity simply due to the amount of damage incurred to the both the muscles and joints/ligaments.
My squat max stalled for a long time and what pushed me through the plateau was switching to a squat centric program where I was squatting 3 times a week of varying intensity/volume and keeping the rest of my training volume reduced for a few months. My body adapted incredibly fast and actually reduced some of the other issues I was having by trying to cram too much volume into all areas.
I can’t emphasize enough how much I love listening to the Doc. This dude is hilarious
Why not place the mic booms on the other side and get a cleaner take of the participants?
This is the most important health conversation on the internets. Period.
Just awesome, Brilliant! Loved all of it! By far one of my favorite interviews in this space, ever! Dr Mike is freaking hilarious 😂 and I love his analogies!
Saw the thumbnail and clicked cause it's Dr. Mike. Didn't realize it was TD interviewing him!!!! 🔥🔥
Starting my journey with thomas for nutrition. And im currently a huge RP fan. The diet app is great. I may try the hypertrophy one day but the RUclips videos are more than enough for now. Dr Mike is king
Thomas is the last person I would go to for nutrition. I would go with Dr Layne Norton
This was 2018 and it worked for me then. I don’t use him for nutrition anymore
@@canadianfirst8326 I mean if you start fat anything that has you cutting back a bit on calories will work. What works long term and consistently is going to be based upon data driven methods, and not flighty influencers like Thomas.
I am happy he came out and said he was full of shit and at least now is trying to do better, but I will stick with the people who have not misled us
Love this idea on fasting… as I hate fasting and can’t eat… I get shaky and can’t think.. I need to eat constantly to feel good.
My weight hasn’t fluctuated in 25 years
Who was the guest that “isn’t welcome back” lol?!
That’s what I wanted to know too.
Glucose Goddess if had to guess 😂😂😂😂
*takes notes* get... uranium... mass... gainers...
this podcast is lifechanging. thank you for your work
The collab I didn't know I needed! Been watching Dr. Mike for years but I'm new to your channel. Great stuff!
Been following Dr. Mike for about a year now. I see weight training through a scientific mindset now. I have benefitted from his advice, which is highly motivating through his humor. So many people out there giving advice, felt like i was bouncing off walls...Dr. Mikes advice has me moving forward through multiple mesocycle plans for bulking to cutting and maintaining.
60 seconds and goes right for a bald joke, savage
Long, but rational, logical, and greatly helpful in providing plenty of flexibility in weight loss, health, and longevity.
Dr. Mike is informative and hilarious. I've been following him as well for a while. Thanks for having him on the channel Thomas!
This interview is fire, love both of these guys. Great to see them together; what a great discussion with so much knowledge dropped.
Thanks for having Dr Mike on, Thomas! He is awesome
Dr. Mike is a gentleman and a scholar, thank you 🖖
Define gentleman 😂
Love both ya'lls channels
Geekdom! I didn't know you watched these guys. Could you imagine Thomas discussing the latest chapter of Dragon Ball super 😂
@@captain593 it'd be a multiversal meltdown
I’m surprised to see geekdom here! What a pleasant surprise
Geekdom!! Wild seeing you in the comments. You and Dr. Mike rule my YT algo. Keep up the good work and RIP Toriyama 🙏
MULTIPLE nuggets of great information throughout this interview.
Listening to it 2x.
Great job to both Thomas & @renaissanceperiodization !
Mmmmmmm……nuuuuggets
Dr Mike is one of my favourite people on RUclips when it goes to workout knowledge and not only. You gotta appreciate his humour. Thank you Thomas for bringing him on your channel 😊
You simply just gotta! No other choice! Fitness advice from a guy who's admitted to taking PEDs and being in TRT between cycles because he "f---ed"-up" his own body, is probably great advice. That doctorate degree on his wall proves it! Scientist, after all!
Love this series. I really appreciated the conversation about the protein intake study.
I hated that part because it means I can't keep pretending its ok to just drink an 80gr whey shake after my workout and not worry about it for the rest of the day.
Dr. Mike is my main guru for years now. Welcome to the club, people. 😊
i want a dr. mike x dr mike collab in the worst way 😭
Great video. Much respect for bringing in guys like Layne and Mike for civil discussions. Speaks to your character that you’re willing to be driven by knowledge rather than ideology.
Your tip about heavy metal for weight gain is great, finally I can feel good about lead poisoning.
He's right. Overtraining is a real thing, and it can be difficult to know when you're pushing yourself to the the top just before you go over the edge. Rest is key
Great video. Thanks for having Dr. Mike on
Just wanted to give a thanks to both of you (and those involved in production of course) for this video. Been following Dr. Mike for a while but missed this whole MRV concept until it was explained here. My progress has been stagnant if not downright declining week to week for the last month or so, and now I'm absolutely confident I'm going beyond my MRV systemically. My total weight training volume, cardio, added summertime work hours and stress....it's too much. I'm going to drop down to maintenance level next week and see how I feel at the end of it, then start adding sets back each week until I find that happy medium. It's much easier for me to push hard and overdo it then it is to take a break, which seems like exactly what I need. Thanks again guys
34:52 that coke comment and now this haha this dude is hilarious, loved the whole interview, cheers :)
16:55 “I don’t actually know how to read..” 🤣🤣🤣
All I wanna know now is who got banned for propositioning Thomas!
My guess is it either never got published or was cut up and edited those parts out.
Two giants of fitness and health. This is the best conversation I've ever witnessed.
I can't believe all the info especially the last bit is free for the world. Great interview.
Being someone with super low self esteem body dysmorphia and 80% of the time I'm exercising is for my metal health, the I ly way to turn my brain off, I am struggling so bad not o wr doing it , finding a balance.. I'm also a runner and started weight lifting 5 months ago.i just started switching my cardio run 5-6 miles or hour 15% incline for a hour or weighted stairs level 7 45- 1 hour. And now weight lifting.. I know .. I know im doing too much , but cant stop ..( i wont evem start in my while food diet) my mental health is more important to be right now ..but at same time .. while.doing all this my energy has been at its highest and iv never felt better.. I'm finally seeing the gains and muscles and leaning out even though I started at 22 percent body fat , again iv watched both all your videos so I know the science and logic behind my insanity.. but I can't stop. 😢
Chill out dude. That’s NOT too much. You’ll be just fine.
@@sunnygirl9691Yeah, unless yoy feel burnt out you arent hitting yourself too hard. If you've got more energy you're just healthier!
This is fantastic! I can actually watch his content without all of the F bombs
This is gold! Especially the last 15 minutes on growing certain muscle groups and balancing real life stressors and fitness
Master class. Been hoping for this collaboration.
I visit Dr. Mike for bodybuilding and sport-specific knowledge and jokes, and I go to Mr. Delaeur for nutrition. This is an incredible combination. Thank you both!
“Some things morally you can’t get out of a couch.” 😂
Who was the Dan guy they were talking about?
One thing that doesn't come up very often but I tell young kids all the time is that if no one is paying you to be physically awesome, you have to find a way to be happy in the gym after most of your gains are done. I'm, 48 and absolutely love lifting because I mostly just improv what feels most recovered because I have been pretty jacked for more than a decade. If I came in and went absolutely crazy for a year, I would barely change but I would probably hate it. I'm happy to be the old guy at the gym who still pushes weight but does so with a smile on his face.
Brilliant interview/ chat. The seamless change from off colour humour to rigorous scientific discussions was a joy to watch. Thank you.
I was literally thinking ab Dr Mike’s take on diet soda earlier when i was watching a video on NAC and its effects on counteracting aspartame’s negative cognition effect.
What was his take on it?
@@sergedotcom not sure which take the OP is referring to specifically, but I've seen a few of Dr Mike's videos on this topic -- in short, it's harmless.
@@JD-mz1rl compared to normal soda its even better than harmless.
@@Starca11er not really, but, absent some additional catalyst, diet soda isn't going to affect your gut biome too much
this is one of the best podcasts i have seen on both exercise nutrition and resistance training
Don’t eat after dinner, put breakfast off a couple hours. Don’t overthink things. Lift like a man, go for walks.
Right. I believe something but eat fewer and fewer calories through the day. No point going to bed with a meal with most calories or carbs no point
@@user-eb4gh3nr4uIf your body decides it hasn't had enough to eat or drink, you'll be unable to fall or stay asleep. Taking too many electrolytes can apparently do it too 😅
First Layne Norton, and now Mike Israetel. Thomas is pulling the big guns.
Would love to see Greg Nuckols, Eric Trexler, Eric Helms, Menno Henselmans.
Dr. Ronda Patrick. Your welcome. Any questions. Eyes mind heart and soul wide open. NO FEAR !
Peter Attia talked about autogaphy in a podcast and stated autogaphy doesnt start until after day 7 of a strict water fast, and that number is still being studied. Thoughts? He also stated on a 16/8 fast yiu destroy muscle mass as protein intake is inhibited with just eating two meals and not able to get enough protein.
Israetel is like Jocko"s (baby) brother.
If these two men had a podcast together, at least once in a while, it would be 🔥.
fasting is just something that really works for my lifestyle. my body does it naturally. i’m generally an evening person and so i always had an issue with breakfast. i enjoy it but i do have a problem with eating enough. especially as i got into resistance training its a big thing im trying to solve