Lol I’m always open to trades, but this one will problem stay locked up tight. I will say it’s just another G17 just with a few extras to make it unique. Love the sights on it though
@jondude1 They up the cost, because wholesale price on a 17M is over 100 dollars more than a standard 17... Thats why the MSRP was set at $753.99. ...also, they were/are special order only, so they wouldn't mistakenly get one in, and sell it at the standard 17 price without knowing how much they had in it.
I have a 17M USA made non-dlc internals, square notch rear sight, extended slide stop, rounded mag release. It's awesome. Great video for answering all my questions for what exactly I had since I pretty much got it by luck.
I recently was able to buy a SCHP 17M. It was from a retired LT. And she sold her gun to a local gun store. It has several of the FBI features. It has the NDLC finish on the trigger bar. It has the 5M barrel. It also does not have the extended slide stop and it has a rounded magazine release. It was made in Austria. Seems like SCHP has some features from the from both the FBI and Lipsey’s guns.
Enjoyed your in depth detail. I was around when changed 45 to 9mm in 80s. I liked the extra shots (though I love 1911)and remember silver tips spread and functioned well! Amazing 30 years to figure out what many argued then, 9 had good recoil, control and just hit the target! Didn't like shooting Glock when came out, but looking at it now for simple, reliable, price & track record.
The 19x dosen't need a specific magazine. It fits any 9mm Glock factory or aftermarket magazine aside from Gen 5 magazines, but even the Gen 5 magazines work with a small modification to either the magwell or the baseplate of the magazine.
Howdy - Great presentation! I would add one other change that I have seen on the Gen 5’s. History: Glock 22 and 23 were tested by my agency years ago and the test weapons catastropicly failed between 6,000 and 8,000 rounds. Glock remodeled both models by adding a reinforcement in the form of another cross pin behind the locking block in the G22’s and G23’s. Those pins are found on Glock Gen IV’s, but not the Gen 5’s. Not to worry though because, as far as I know, there were no such failures on the pre - .40 S&W glock 9mm’s.
These handguns were adopted by the Ontario Provincial Police to replace their .40 S&W Sig P229 handguns in service. From what I've been told, the officers love them.
Just joined you recently. But... You have quickly become my favorite "gun guy" on youtube. You're precision and dedication to detail and history has to take a lot of hard work. Thanks for that.
Great video, as per the usual, thanks! My two favorite Glocks now are both Gen 5 Glocks: the Glock 45 and the Glock 34. The 34 Gen 5s eliminated the large relief "hole" on the top of the slide and in my opinion, the sight radius advantage plus the elimination of that stupid huge hole makes it a great duty weapon. The Glock 45 feels great when you shoot it. It has the full sized grip (important for my huge hands) and full capacity Glock magazines, etc. Great for competition, duty and defense.
FYI… The early versions of the Gen 5 17 & 19 had the crescent cutout on the bottom front of the grip frame just like the 17M (as well as Gen 1 & Gen 2). It was removed after customer feedback. Another difference of the early Gen 5’s was the smooth slide. Forward cocking serrations appeared about the same time that the crescent cutout disappeared. The earliest Gen 5’s were much closer to the M models. Just sayin’.
I'm having to self discipline timeouts from this channel so that I have a chance to absorb all the information this Gentleman makes available. Thank you Sir!
Excellent. Slide stops were offered in std and extended, shooters choice. Early ones had Trijicon sights, it went to Ameriglow bc of cost. They were also Austria made with full production in US. Current production has the front slide and frame bevel, early ones had a squared lower. What is unconfirmed, is that the barrels had a tighter chamber tolerance than other agency Ms, trade off of performance vs reliability.
I can attest that the new Gen 5 barrels are considerably more accurate than previous generations. The barrel in my Gen 5 G26 is every bit as accurate as the match barrel I have in my model 19. Maybe I got a magic barrel, but I noticed the same accuracy potential in the test and evaluation pistols my agency sent by Glock, the models 19 and 45, both Gen 5. The model 48 they sent was also impressive as far as it's average accuracy over previous generation barrels. Glock finally solved one of their cons.
Just got a used 17m as a police trade in from a Blue Label dealer. Seems very lightly used. SKU PM1750333, Austrian build non DLC parts. Sept 2019 build date. U notch rear sight, extended slide release. I do like the cut out on front strap of the grip.
I have a 17m Austria without the extended slide release and rounded mag well. It does not have the ndlc coating. But it came with Glock night sights. Not sure what I have.
I have a Glock Gen 4 17MOS that I really like, with a Leupold DeltaPoint Pro sight. I bought the Gen 4 model back when the Gen 5 models were first coming out, and I was afraid of getting a “weaker” gun since the Gen 5 pistols lacked the extra locking block pins that the Gen 4 models had, as I was used to having locking blocks and pins break periodically on the Glock models 22 and 23 that my police department had used when I had been an armorer, albeit that had been when they had been Gen 3 guns and the Gen 4 had not come out yet. Now I will admit that the .40 S&W cartridge is a lot higher pressure than a 9mm, but that doesn’t stop me from worrying about it, lol. I have waited to see if Glock will bring out Gen 5 10 mm or 40 S&W models, but haven’t seen any yet. Oh well, lol. I guess if I want another 9mm I can get a Glock 45 MOS, but if I want a 10 mm I may have to get a Gen 4 still. Oh well.
The redesign of the striker tip was to help the next cartridge slide up the breechface easier as the striker tip could be protruding from the breechface as the next new round was making its way up the breechface. Shadow Systems not only changed their design as Glock changed theirs, but also added a 2nd striker spring to retract the striker so that it wasn't sticking out of the breechface as the new round was attempting to be seated against the breechface.
When the gen 5 slide is unlocked, the striker is now a floating design and not locked in the forward position as on previous generations, I’m surprised that he didn’t mention that.
Interestingly enough it seems the early gen 5 Glocks had that cutout for stripping mags out in the front of the grip. I believe they eliminated it due to complaints.
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I was just told this week that these are not for the commercial pipe line. I have a gun store owner to talk to apparently. Thank you for the history and tech background. Read so much cyber chatter that this is refreshing.
You taught me more than I ever thought I didn't know could you expand on the 3D markings on the barrel what does that mean? Please thank you keep up the awesome work.
What the "M" stands for has been debatable since it is not specified in the original RFP. Some say "Military", some say "Modified". Adding to that, a certain Glock vendor now sells the actual versions with the nDLC coatings and the "Miami" barrel with the "M" stamp on its hood. Those are available to purchase through the Blue Label program with the same SKU as the original FBI pistols, although all are now Austrian made. Also, early standard Gen5 models have the magazine cutout and lacked front serrations.
Good video, however a few corrections to some of the info. Just to add some validity to my claims, I am a Glock certified Armorer (yea that doesn't mean much), however I have 3+ years of experience in a gun store doing custom work, warranty work, and general trouble shooting. I also was part of the sales team selling Glock pistols of all models to customers. I don't know everything, but I do have a passion for collecting these pistols and the minor changes that nobody notices. Alright with that crap out of the way, here are the corrections I have for the information presented. 1: I do not recall seeing the marksman barrel designs in the G42/G43 pistols before the Gen5's hit the market.. After that I started seeing them in the guns, and they are currently what is sold with them. They may have started to put them in the G42/G43 once the M series guns were adopted. However they probably would not have been sold until near the Gen5 release date. 2: The Gen5 pistols, specifically the early ones, have the same frame design as best I can tell as the M pistols. The first batch of Gen5 pistols sold have the front cutout for magazine removal. They also have the non-beveled front of the frame, where it does not match the slide. 3: the G19X does not need a specific magazine to function, it needs a specific floor plate design. The G19X will not allow Gen5 style mags with the extended floor plate to fit into the grip. This is due to the extended front strap on the G19X interfering with that extended lip on the floor plate. Previous generation G17/G34 magazines will work due to them having the standard baseplate. You can also make your Gen5 mags fit by using the older style floor plates on them. 4: When I took the armorer's course after the Gen5's hit the market, the instructor offered one explanation for the new firing pin design. He said it had to do with the use of newer "Green Ammunition" or environmentally friendly non lead based ammunition. he said some of the primers these ammo types utilized were not fully reliable with old striker design. I have no idea if that is true. If anyone reading this has another explanation or more info on that subject please share it. 5: The rail on the Generation 5 guns is actually 1913 sized. Where the older Gen3 and Gen4 used a proprietary "Glock Slot" (not an official term) which is actually slightly smaller than a 1913 rail slot. This is why on weapon lights there is a specific Glock Locking bar and a separate 1913 locking bar. Side Notes: You are absolutely correct that the fire control mechanism (including firing pin, and firing pin safety designs) for the G43/G42 influenced the Gen5/M development. The S-Springs definitely are a weaker point in current production guns. Typically I have seen them break at the hook ends. The leaf spring for the Slide Lock was definitely a weaker point, especially on older models. Earlier Glocks such as Gen2's or Gen1's had a much thinner profile which was beefed up to the current design. Also the worst part of the design was if the stem that went into the frame broke off inside the frame. such a problem will prevent you from inserting a new one, and it is hard to remove such a piece. A rare breakage but I have seen it a couple times. The increased length of the Recoil Spring on the Gen5 series guns is in my opinion to do with the desire of Glock to consolidate parts manufacture, and potentially match MHS submission goals (not sure if the MHS trials predate the M series development or not). Glock used the G19 Locking Block as the basis (part# 7894), so the G17Gen5, G19Gen5, and G19X all share that same part. This goes in line with what the military wanted with the MHS program with the same frame but interchangeable slides between the M17 and M18. This same system would be used on the G47 for DHS.
Great points. I have the same Glock Armorer's certification, and it is great to hear more people understand how weak the Glock certification is. Some armorers are great, but the certification means nothing by itself. I was told that the rounded nose firing pin was changed to the circular design for reliability with the G26 design. I never saw a problem with the original design. Many of the stories in Glock Armorer classes by the instructors are full of ess. I was about to comment on the same topics, but you did a great job. I did notice that after all the lawsuits Glock did fix the tooling for the trigger bar on the Gen5 models. The tooling is still crap, compared to the 1990's and earlier trigger bars where the trigger bar had an extra grinding operation at the sear surface. The defective Glock parts are now poorly blanked, and that is one of the reasons why the trigger feel is so inconsistent and crappy. Thanks for the well thought out comments.
All G42 & G43 pistols have the Marksman Barrel, gen 5/17-M trigger group (minus ambi slide stop) and improved firing pin safety and new firing pin design. The design of these two model never change, even after the Gen 5 released. I have a pre release Gen 5, this has the correct Gen 5 frame. Glock could have used over run G17M frames for some Gen 5 production. You are correct about the G19X floor plate. However, this does cause compatibility issues with the 19X. Most people buy complete magazines so this is my point. There is a compatibility difference..
The early Slimline G42 and G43 models had almost the GMB. The Slimline rifling was different, but the machining of the crown was added later as a running change. The 33564 connector to correct the lawsuits was also added as a silent running change. The early G42 and G43 models had a newer barrel a 1/2 generation before the current GMB design.
@@johnphillips222 Yes on the barrels. Definitely did not add the crown until after the Gen5's were being sold. I did forget about the rifling pattern. I have a G43 serial # prefix of BKSV which has the newer rifling but not the match crown. It also does not have the pentagon mark shown in the video.
@@SmallArmsSolutions Are you referring to the Gen5 Glock used for demonstration in the video as the Pre-Release model? That gun does not look like any early Gen5 pistol I have ever handled, sold, or the one I own. The one compared to the M series gun in the video is an MOS model, and has all the newest tweaks to the design. These are the front serrations, beveling of the frame dust cover, and filling in the front strap cut out for magazine removal. I know for fact Glock used the same frame design from the M series guns for at least the first batch of sold Gen5 guns. They also beveled the front of the frames to match the slide profile before they filled in the front strap cut out.
I would really only get this glock for the 17m engraving lol just to add to the collection. The cut out feather on the bottom of the grip isn’t my favorite but still an excellent variation of a legendary side arm
Good presentation. I’m an avid Glock fan and I was curious about the M pistols. I don’t understand why Glock doesn’t just use the exact same process on all their guns like the NDLC finish on the trigger bar that the gen 5’s don’t have
Just picked up a blue label 19M a couple days ago at a reasonable price. NDLC internals. Came with Glock Night Sights, not the Ameriglo Agents. I wonder what the back story is on it.
That Glock barrel with lans and grooves was not designed for the FBI. It was designed for the Miami-Dade police dept. in Miami, Florida. It was my department that did the study and we found it was very hard to identify what barrel or gun the projectile came from. The FBI just looked at our study, agreed with it and they made it a prerequisite. Glock first called those barrels Miami barrels. I have a gen 3 Glock with that barrel. Also, Glock redesigned and adopted their double recoil spring set-up because of us also. We carried Winchester ranger T series 124gr +P+ ammunition and Glock redesigned the spring for us and later adopted it to all their guns. I remember Glock reissued us the double springs and we all had to go to the dept. armorer to get the new spring installed.
michael leon sir, what your Department studied, this has been common knowledge well over 20 years. I started in internship in 1998 and it was common knowledge. This far predates Miami study. Glock has had requests for conventional rifled barrels for this reason. According to the folks I interviewed, the FBI wanted their new generation pistols to be identifiable. From what I see, the Marksman barrels are. The whole story, I don’t know if I have it all. Glock is very tight lipped on it. Their claims for the new barrel is quite different from what the Feds said I spoke to. For me, it came down to the comparative scope. If the identification of fired projectiles was not a goal for the 17M, it is one hell of a coincidence!
Lipsey ordered the commercial M19 M17 glocks according to the Glock rep who was working on the deal. Also you can get the DLC parts from some LEO Glock armors. If your buddies a police officer he can ask his Glock rep to get you some.
Kris 9mm I was told by Glock directly that the DLC components are restricted. They are only available by approval I’d SR Glock management. The parts are on the form. But has anyone ordered and received these DLC parts?
Excellent analysis. I was unaware this pistol even existed. I figured they just threw some new sights on it or maybe did a trigger job or some like that.
I love my Gen5 17 being a left-handed person. I owned a gen 2 skipped the Gen 3 still own my gen 4 but I stippled it because of the finger grooves.. My Gen5 17 is now my Carry.. anybody that says the Gen 4 an the Gen 5 are the same don't own a Gen 4 or Gen 5
Thanks for the info. As a regular Glock fan boy I wish they would make a G23Gen5... but untill then, my tricked out RMR milled slide G23Gen3 will keep on been my EDC and copetition shooting pistol.
Can you do something on the Glock Miami barrel? This was made to leave barcode like markings on a bullet. I have a feeling that at least some of the Miami barrel tech made it into the Marksman barrels.
Can you please elaborate on the trigger undercut? I’m interested in how it’s different? I wasn’t able to tell by the video. Thanks for the excellent info!
Thanks for all the research and info. Doing dry fire practice with my g45 while listening haha. With developments in projectile and material design (running critical defence 9mm at the moment) I feel like I have a better carry system now than when I carried a 45acp.
I just bought a Glock 17m USA stamped. It has everything you went over, however my rear AmeriGlo iron sight has a squared off finish. Other than that it looks exactly like the Glock 17m shown here. Is this a gun you recommend modding or keep it as is? In your preference.
That coil spring has always vexed me. My normal trigger job on a Glock is a minus connecter and a NY-1 trigger spring (olive). It might slightly increase the pull weight but gets rid of the sponge to the wall. I don't particularly like the fact that Glock is setting on the DLC trigger bar but since they are the LEGO of the pistol world I am sure someone will produce a part to take my money. I'll will leave you with a question can we call the 17 M the Goverment Model...? Yehaa from East TN
I remember this pistol. I also remember when the FBI sent out the contract. It's interesting to see just how different this pistol is compared to the gen 4. I honestly thought that this pistol was what steered the evolution of the gen 4, but apparently it seems it did more steering of the gen 5. This might also help explain why the only gen 5's so far are the 17 and 19 pistols. This is also the first I've heard of there being US-made Glock pistols (although I shouldn't given the fact that the Glock 19X is a thing, which was the Army-trials pistol...that'd have to be US-manufactured as a qualifier)....I'd imagine I'll be hearing a lot more of that in the future.
@Jeffrey Carlson Really? I need to keep up with things better. Any chance on a gen 5 17L or is just going to be the 34 as the competition version from now on?
The reason the firing pin hole is shaped like that is to allow any debris if any to fall out even Taurus does this and says that’s why they shape it that way
Lipsey's is the spelling, if you wanted to search for them. They are a major distributor that sometimes has special guns made or modified for them. They only work with FFLs, not consumers.
I like 9mm and it's now a sensible, effective round. However, I'm a little more accurate with 45. I like the recoil characteristics. I'll still keep a 45 around in a HK platform. And if forced to use FMJ, I'd opt for 45. Though, some of that new military 9mm 115 +p FMJ flatnose (M1152) would be nice to have.
So are these considered fairly rare? I just picked one up from a local shop they didn’t make it out to be very special other than being a glock of course
Hey Chris! I recently picked up a 19M made in Austria that has the extended slide stop, came with glock night sights and has thre dlc coated internals. Picked it up from Buds Gun Shop a few months ago. Hope this helps a bit.
Rob Kilcollins as the story continues to unravel with all y’all info, sounds like there is much disconnect on what Glock’s FBI contract parts policy is. This is a difficult story to research. Much contradictories.
Thanks Chris. I was going to ask about the G30. Remembered you carried it for a while, I went from the G30 to the G19. What HST gr (std pressure or +p) do you carry in the G45? Thanks for all that you do for us.
hey there chris. you mentioned you worked with Lasermax, testing lasers on a glock. i've been interested in the lasermax guide rod for my G19. i know you are busy. would it make my ccw g19 less dependable? yes or no? thanks bud. you are the GOAT for modern firearms.
No sir but you have to change out the recoil springs frequently. They are rocket wire WHI’s take frequent sets. I would change the spring every 1k to be safe. Other than that you are good to go.
1) Does anyone know why the Gen5 and 17M nDLC coatings fail so badly, compared to the ferritic nitrocarburized finishes, either from the gas or liquified salt methods? 2) Does anyone know why the newer Glock marksmanship barrels are failing due to internal corrosion problems? Is it the inferior nDLC finish or the different rifling profile? The problem is getting bad for the Gen5 models.
@Doug You are exactly right about the Gen5 models as junk. So many of them at the store have been replaced due to unfixable problems. The Gen5 trigger is awful and unfixable. Like you said, Gen3 is the best with Gen4 if a reversible mag catch is needed. The backstrap modification on the Gen4 models messed up the triggers. Lawsuits happened and part of the problem was corrected with the dot connectors. The Gen4 before the dot connector was the worst. Now the Gen5 is objectively the worst with the elimination of the S-spring. Replacing the trigger bar with the current design eliminated 99.98% of all the S-spring failures. Unlike what Chris said, the trigger pull is heavier when the S-spring breaks or falls off due to incorrect assembly. Pulling the trigger forward is something that is NEVER needed if the S-spring breaks when the Glock is used. Pulling the trigger forward is only needed if the slide is racked with the finger off the trigger.
Great video, as usual. I bought a new Glock 17 Gen 5 a couple days ago (I guess they're all coming with front slide serrations now). This gun doesn't have the half-moon cutout at the base of the grip for ripping out a stuck mag. Is/was this standard for all G17 Gen 5's or a recent modification?
I got a g5 17 two years ago and mine had front serations and no cut out . Came with ameriglos . It was the only one available. I think the old square slide looks better .
Great video, Chris! So there actually is a difference in the trigger guard (M/Gen5 vs Gen1-4) where it meets up with the frame? Is it somewhat minor?.......when I compared a G5 with a G4 in store I didn’t think I saw a difference. Is there still a high propensity for “Glock knuckle” with the M/Gen5 ?
The picture of the FBI flavor of the 17M appeared to show a radiused trigger guard. Other versions of the 17M showed the same defective Glock trigger guard design. All the Gen1-5 and Slimline pistols have the defective trigger guard design that causes Glock knuckle. My engineering friends and I ran a test with 5000 frame/second high speed video to see why the Glock trigger guard sucks so badly. Counter recoil is the issue as the slide enters battery. The undercut trigger guard modification doesn't work, but it does have the full placebo effect. The real fix is recontouring the trigger guard to push on the middle finger at the middle of the trigger guard. The nylon welding works well. The so-called internet experts call me a clocksucker and other homosesual slurs for not developing a thick skin. Idiots. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.
The lands impressions in those pics of the bullet look quite deep. I wonder how that affects coated or plated bullets, since the coating/plating is thinner than FMJ. Would that lead to a higher risk of leading in the rifling?
I have a question: Have you noticed any significant improvement in accuracy with the Marksman's barrel over the original polygonal rifling? How're the groups looking like at say....25 yards?
I ran some tests in the ballistics lab. I could not detect any accuracy difference at all, nor a precision difference. The new barrels appear to be smoke and mirrors bee ess from Glock.
I switched out my marksman barrel with a threaded faxon barrel. There is definitely a difference. I would say on average, my groups are 10-15% worse with the faxon.
I have noticed that there were a few production runs of Faxon barrels with improperly machined barrel hoods and external chamber dimensions. That fit can be checked or compared to the OEM barrel.
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No accuracy improvement. Easier to forensically match bullets to guns with new rifling.
Does the SN match your slide Bbl and frame? This does not sound right. Sounds like someone swapped out a gen 4 barrel for yours. Also watch out for your recoil spring.
The poor quality of FBI quota hires have less problems shooting a 9mm. The standards for ballistic performance were lowered to allow more quota hires and incompetent police and FBI candidates to pass the firearm courses.
Entire reason for the .40 was to increase terminal over 9mm. Along with the .40 you gained recoil, and less capacity. Now with the 9mm ammo up to par, LE/Mil has a higher capacity, lighter recoil / increased accuracy and hits which increases the performance of the end user. The .40 is not obsolete. If you can give your people a pistol they perform better (increase hits, accurate hits (better shot placement), give them more ammunition and in some cases lighter firearms and increase qualification score, this is a good thing!
SmallArmsSolutions Thank you for your reply, there is a lot to be said about the lighter recoil and shot placement . My 9mm M&P is very pleasant to shot, especially with a heavy for caliber round. For my Glock 22 l use 40 cal. Hornady Critical Duty because of the reduced recoil and I am impressed with the ballistics. Living in Canukistan our magazines are limited to 10 rounds , because I don’t live in a Free Country magazine capacity is a moot point.
Its ironic to me the FBI determined that a full power 10mm was "needed". BUT.... they turn around and water down the 10mm because all those teeny college grads with law or business degrees couldn't hack it. So the FBI tells the shooting world the 10mm is "it" but then officially blesses a load that is well below "it". What slays me is the number of people in the gun world who swoon over the FBI and its royal decrees based on gelatin. Even worse for Mr Civilian Shooter is ammo companies further watering down .40 factory loads. That little disturbing bit was brought to my attention by one of my CSI techs which prompted me to look closer at those shootings. I went on a couple more myself and yeh, the tech was spot on.
It’s just tough to beat a Glock for rugged reliable performance. Millions of law enforcement and military worldwide use them for good reason. A legit benchmark in small arms.
Christian Morgan I agree... I’ve owned a couple of M&P’s including the one I own now in 357sig with a Trijicon rmr on it. I’ve never had a malfunction. Glocks are reliable and proven no doubt. But they’re about as sexy as Rosie O’Donnell.🤣🤣🤣🤣 Most major gun manufacturers make reliable guns... or they wouldn’t be in business long. Nobody gets excited about a Glock... But I pull that M&P out and everyone wants to put a magazine through it.😊👍
pittbullbill Holds up fine for me. The average FBI agent and law enforcement officer will most likely never discharge their weapon in the line of duty. So to say an M&P won’t hold up is ridiculous. How many shots are fired in the average engagement 1-10???? You’re telling me an M&P won’t hold up for 10 rounds. Laughable.🤣🤣🤣🤣 Obviously the US military DOES NOT use Glocks... And even if it did a pistol is what you use to fight your way back to your rifle. A pistol is not a combat weapon. A rifle is.👍 So EXACTLY who won’t it hold up for? I’ve got THOUSANDS of malfunction free rounds out of mine. The argument you’re making is ludicrous.
Rusty Shackleford I agree. I know many people who own them and I have shot them many times. They’re a very fine firearm. The problem is Glock owners seem to have a problem admitting that there are MANY fine firearms.😊👍
I love the opportunity to hear relatively specialist knowledge that is not widely known, similar to C&R. Thanks, good vid. Also like your small front logo tshirts. Large front are obnoxious and look full deck. Peace IS measured, an not just in meters, but in all aspects of r&d, manufacturing, testing, and practice, of every wespons system, from spears, to anti-satellite weapons. No measurements, no peace.
Another great video! Now you need to cover the new champion Glock unicorn, the Glock 47. Chris, correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the 17 length slide on the 47 is compatible with the G5 Glock 19 frame? I've been wondering when Glock, as a result of this, will release this configuration?
Soooo, did the “gen5” stem from the FBI requirements? Since the M models were created before the gen5, and besides a few finish differences, they’re the same thing. Seems to me Glock said “let’s just produce the M commercially and call it the gen5” 🤷🏽♂️
I’m very lucky to have found a 17m right here in my hometown, the shop didn’t even notice it was any different. Happy it’s in my safe now
"I'll trade you a Taurus G2C +50 9MM rounds." ~Every fudd on Armslist ever.
Lol I’m always open to trades, but this one will problem stay locked up tight. I will say it’s just another G17 just with a few extras to make it unique. Love the sights on it though
@Frank The Tank It's not about being better. It's cool because it's rare...
@Frank The Tank Says the guy with a Taurus G2C. LOL!
@jondude1 They up the cost, because wholesale price on a 17M is over 100 dollars more than a standard 17... Thats why the MSRP was set at $753.99.
...also, they were/are special order only, so they wouldn't mistakenly get one in, and sell it at the standard 17 price without knowing how much they had in it.
I have a 17M USA made non-dlc internals, square notch rear sight, extended slide stop, rounded mag release. It's awesome. Great video for answering all my questions for what exactly I had since I pretty much got it by luck.
I just picked up the same one.
Got mine at Cabelas Kansas city, liked it for Ameriglow sites, lol
My 17M sounds identical to yours. USA, non DLC, square notch, extended slide stop, and rounded mag release, barrell marked M
You’re one of the only people who is willing and able to go into the level of detail that I crave. Thanks a ton.
I recently was able to buy a SCHP 17M. It was from a retired LT. And she sold her gun to a local gun store. It has several of the FBI features. It has the NDLC finish on the trigger bar. It has the 5M barrel. It also does not have the extended slide stop and it has a rounded magazine release. It was made in Austria. Seems like SCHP has some features from the from both the FBI and Lipsey’s guns.
Thanks for another deep dive . I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the history behind the weapons you go over is what keeps me watching.👍👍
Thank you!
Enjoyed your in depth detail. I was around when changed 45 to 9mm in 80s. I liked the extra shots (though I love 1911)and remember silver tips spread and functioned well! Amazing 30 years to figure out what many argued then, 9 had good recoil, control and just hit the target! Didn't like shooting Glock when came out, but looking at it now for simple, reliable, price & track record.
The 19x dosen't need a specific magazine.
It fits any 9mm Glock factory or aftermarket magazine aside from Gen 5 magazines, but even the Gen 5 magazines work with a small modification to either the magwell or the baseplate of the magazine.
Use either Gen4 or earlier magazines or put Gen4 floorplates on the Gen5 mags...
Now whenever I read Wikipedia I hear your voice. I find it very relaxing. Thank you for your service and time involved in the sharing of information.
Howdy - Great presentation! I would add one other change that I have seen on the Gen 5’s.
History: Glock 22 and 23 were tested by my agency years ago and the test weapons catastropicly failed between 6,000 and 8,000 rounds. Glock remodeled both models by adding a reinforcement in the form of another cross pin behind the locking block in the G22’s and G23’s. Those pins are found on Glock Gen IV’s, but not the Gen 5’s. Not to worry though because, as far as I know, there were no such failures on the pre - .40 S&W glock 9mm’s.
What year did they sdd the extra pin?...i have a 2005 gen 3 that has 2 pins like gen 4 does..my g17 gen 3 has 2 pins also.its a 2022.
@@steverugerguy9606there are transitional gen 3s that have some gen 4 and some gen 2 features I’ve seen
These handguns were adopted by the Ontario Provincial Police to replace their .40 S&W Sig P229 handguns in service. From what I've been told, the officers love them.
Just joined you recently. But... You have quickly become my favorite "gun guy" on youtube.
You're precision and dedication to detail and history has to take a lot of hard work. Thanks for that.
Great video, as per the usual, thanks!
My two favorite Glocks now are both Gen 5 Glocks: the Glock 45 and the Glock 34. The 34 Gen 5s eliminated the large relief "hole" on the top of the slide and in my opinion, the sight radius advantage plus the elimination of that stupid huge hole makes it a great duty weapon. The Glock 45 feels great when you shoot it. It has the full sized grip (important for my huge hands) and full capacity Glock magazines, etc.
Great for competition, duty and defense.
My 2 favorites are Gen 5s as well.
23 MOS & 19x.
The Gen 5 .40 cal Glocks finally made me fall in love with the .40.
FYI… The early versions of the Gen 5 17 & 19 had the crescent cutout on the bottom front of the grip frame just like the 17M (as well as Gen 1 & Gen 2). It was removed after customer feedback. Another difference of the early Gen 5’s was the smooth slide. Forward cocking serrations appeared about the same time that the crescent cutout disappeared. The earliest Gen 5’s were much closer to the M models. Just sayin’.
Great info
This was a hard one to crack and still many questions.
@American Patriot 19x/45 is amazing.
Don't hesitate to pick one up.
I'm having to self discipline timeouts from this channel so that I have a chance to absorb all the information this Gentleman makes available.
Thank you Sir!
Excellent. Slide stops were offered in std and extended, shooters choice. Early ones had Trijicon sights, it went to Ameriglow bc of cost. They were also Austria made with full production in US. Current production has the front slide and frame bevel, early ones had a squared lower. What is unconfirmed, is that the barrels had a tighter chamber tolerance than other agency Ms, trade off of performance vs reliability.
Thanks for your input. I had such very limited access to information on this one.
Yes, they have tighter chambers, I’ve confirmed this myself.
I can attest that the new Gen 5 barrels are considerably more accurate than previous generations. The barrel in my Gen 5 G26 is every bit as accurate as the match barrel I have in my model 19. Maybe I got a magic barrel, but I noticed the same accuracy potential in the test and evaluation pistols my agency sent by Glock, the models 19 and 45, both Gen 5. The model 48 they sent was also impressive as far as it's average accuracy over previous generation barrels. Glock finally solved one of their cons.
Just got a used 17m as a police trade in from a Blue Label dealer. Seems very lightly used. SKU PM1750333, Austrian build non DLC parts. Sept 2019 build date. U notch rear sight, extended slide release. I do like the cut out on front strap of the grip.
I have a Glock 17M. I purchased it when I was home on leave in 2017 but I had no idea the significance of it when I sent it off to Agency Arms LOL
I have a 17m Austria without the extended slide release and rounded mag well. It does not have the ndlc coating. But it came with Glock night sights. Not sure what I have.
I have a Glock Gen 4 17MOS that I really like, with a Leupold DeltaPoint Pro sight. I bought the Gen 4 model back when the Gen 5 models were first coming out, and I was afraid of getting a “weaker” gun since the Gen 5 pistols lacked the extra locking block pins that the Gen 4 models had, as I was used to having locking blocks and pins break periodically on the Glock models 22 and 23 that my police department had used when I had been an armorer, albeit that had been when they had been Gen 3 guns and the Gen 4 had not come out yet. Now I will admit that the .40 S&W cartridge is a lot higher pressure than a 9mm, but that doesn’t stop me from worrying about it, lol. I have waited to see if Glock will bring out Gen 5 10 mm or 40 S&W models, but haven’t seen any yet. Oh well, lol. I guess if I want another 9mm I can get a Glock 45 MOS, but if I want a 10 mm I may have to get a Gen 4 still. Oh well.
Absolutely love your informative and well-researched firearms reviews. Thank you for all the hard work in the production and for your service brother.
I got a 17m from Cabelas in October, USA just M on barrel. Thanks for all your efforts on information on this gun.
The redesign of the striker tip was to help the next cartridge slide up the breechface easier as the striker tip could be protruding from the breechface as the next new round was making its way up the breechface.
Shadow Systems not only changed their design as Glock changed theirs, but also added a 2nd striker spring to retract the striker so that it wasn't sticking out of the breechface as the new round was attempting to be seated against the breechface.
When the gen 5 slide is unlocked, the striker is now a floating design and not locked in the forward position as on previous generations, I’m surprised that he didn’t mention that.
Interestingly enough it seems the early gen 5 Glocks had that cutout for stripping mags out in the front of the grip. I believe they eliminated it due to complaints.
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Dude...seriously? You can't figure out the web address is: smallarmssolution.com ... The name of the RUclips Channel? :)
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I was just told this week that these are not for the commercial pipe line. I have a gun store owner to talk to apparently.
Thank you for the history and tech background. Read so much cyber chatter that this is refreshing.
You taught me more than I ever thought I didn't know could you expand on the 3D markings on the barrel what does that mean? Please thank you keep up the awesome work.
Proof mark.
What the "M" stands for has been debatable since it is not specified in the original RFP. Some say "Military", some say "Modified". Adding to that, a certain Glock vendor now sells the actual versions with the nDLC coatings and the "Miami" barrel with the "M" stamp on its hood. Those are available to purchase through the Blue Label program with the same SKU as the original FBI pistols, although all are now Austrian made. Also, early standard Gen5 models have the magazine cutout and lacked front serrations.
Marksmanship
Good video, however a few corrections to some of the info. Just to add some validity to my claims, I am a Glock certified Armorer (yea that doesn't mean much), however I have 3+ years of experience in a gun store doing custom work, warranty work, and general trouble shooting. I also was part of the sales team selling Glock pistols of all models to customers. I don't know everything, but I do have a passion for collecting these pistols and the minor changes that nobody notices. Alright with that crap out of the way, here are the corrections I have for the information presented.
1: I do not recall seeing the marksman barrel designs in the G42/G43 pistols before the Gen5's hit the market.. After that I started seeing them in the guns, and they are currently what is sold with them. They may have started to put them in the G42/G43 once the M series guns were adopted. However they probably would not have been sold until near the Gen5 release date.
2: The Gen5 pistols, specifically the early ones, have the same frame design as best I can tell as the M pistols. The first batch of Gen5 pistols sold have the front cutout for magazine removal. They also have the non-beveled front of the frame, where it does not match the slide.
3: the G19X does not need a specific magazine to function, it needs a specific floor plate design. The G19X will not allow Gen5 style mags with the extended floor plate to fit into the grip. This is due to the extended front strap on the G19X interfering with that extended lip on the floor plate. Previous generation G17/G34 magazines will work due to them having the standard baseplate. You can also make your Gen5 mags fit by using the older style floor plates on them.
4: When I took the armorer's course after the Gen5's hit the market, the instructor offered one explanation for the new firing pin design. He said it had to do with the use of newer "Green Ammunition" or environmentally friendly non lead based ammunition. he said some of the primers these ammo types utilized were not fully reliable with old striker design. I have no idea if that is true. If anyone reading this has another explanation or more info on that subject please share it.
5: The rail on the Generation 5 guns is actually 1913 sized. Where the older Gen3 and Gen4 used a proprietary "Glock Slot" (not an official term) which is actually slightly smaller than a 1913 rail slot. This is why on weapon lights there is a specific Glock Locking bar and a separate 1913 locking bar.
Side Notes:
You are absolutely correct that the fire control mechanism (including firing pin, and firing pin safety designs) for the G43/G42 influenced the Gen5/M development. The S-Springs definitely are a weaker point in current production guns. Typically I have seen them break at the hook ends.
The leaf spring for the Slide Lock was definitely a weaker point, especially on older models. Earlier Glocks such as Gen2's or Gen1's had a much thinner profile which was beefed up to the current design. Also the worst part of the design was if the stem that went into the frame broke off inside the frame. such a problem will prevent you from inserting a new one, and it is hard to remove such a piece. A rare breakage but I have seen it a couple times.
The increased length of the Recoil Spring on the Gen5 series guns is in my opinion to do with the desire of Glock to consolidate parts manufacture, and potentially match MHS submission goals (not sure if the MHS trials predate the M series development or not). Glock used the G19 Locking Block as the basis (part# 7894), so the G17Gen5, G19Gen5, and G19X all share that same part. This goes in line with what the military wanted with the MHS program with the same frame but interchangeable slides between the M17 and M18. This same system would be used on the G47 for DHS.
Great points. I have the same Glock Armorer's certification, and it is great to hear more people understand how weak the Glock certification is. Some armorers are great, but the certification means nothing by itself.
I was told that the rounded nose firing pin was changed to the circular design for reliability with the G26 design. I never saw a problem with the original design. Many of the stories in Glock Armorer classes by the instructors are full of ess.
I was about to comment on the same topics, but you did a great job.
I did notice that after all the lawsuits Glock did fix the tooling for the trigger bar on the Gen5 models. The tooling is still crap, compared to the 1990's and earlier trigger bars where the trigger bar had an extra grinding operation at the sear surface. The defective Glock parts are now poorly blanked, and that is one of the reasons why the trigger feel is so inconsistent and crappy.
Thanks for the well thought out comments.
All G42 & G43 pistols have the Marksman Barrel, gen 5/17-M trigger group (minus ambi slide stop) and improved firing pin safety and new firing pin design. The design of these two model never change, even after the Gen 5 released. I have a pre release Gen 5, this has the correct Gen 5 frame. Glock could have used over run G17M frames for some Gen 5 production. You are correct about the G19X floor plate. However, this does cause compatibility issues with the 19X. Most people buy complete magazines so this is my point. There is a compatibility difference..
The early Slimline G42 and G43 models had almost the GMB. The Slimline rifling was different, but the machining of the crown was added later as a running change. The 33564 connector to correct the lawsuits was also added as a silent running change. The early G42 and G43 models had a newer barrel a 1/2 generation before the current GMB design.
@@johnphillips222 Yes on the barrels. Definitely did not add the crown until after the Gen5's were being sold. I did forget about the rifling pattern. I have a G43 serial # prefix of BKSV which has the newer rifling but not the match crown. It also does not have the pentagon mark shown in the video.
@@SmallArmsSolutions Are you referring to the Gen5 Glock used for demonstration in the video as the Pre-Release model? That gun does not look like any early Gen5 pistol I have ever handled, sold, or the one I own. The one compared to the M series gun in the video is an MOS model, and has all the newest tweaks to the design. These are the front serrations, beveling of the frame dust cover, and filling in the front strap cut out for magazine removal. I know for fact Glock used the same frame design from the M series guns for at least the first batch of sold Gen5 guns. They also beveled the front of the frames to match the slide profile before they filled in the front strap cut out.
Great information. Didn't think I'd care but I found myself more curious as you went on
I would really only get this glock for the 17m engraving lol just to add to the collection. The cut out feather on the bottom of the grip isn’t my favorite but still an excellent variation of a legendary side arm
We had some 17M's at my workplace and they also had the NY-1 triggers...
Good presentation. I’m an avid Glock fan and I was curious about the M pistols. I don’t understand why Glock doesn’t just use the exact same process on all their guns like the NDLC finish on the trigger bar that the gen 5’s don’t have
Thank you for taking the time to make this very informative video. It was very helpful in my research. I'm thinking of purchasing one of these M17"s
Just picked up a blue label 19M a couple days ago at a reasonable price. NDLC internals. Came with Glock Night Sights, not the Ameriglo Agents. I wonder what the back story is on it.
Interesting, how is the barrel hood marked?
The version you have was issued to the USMC Criminal investigation division. Should also be stamped as made in Austria.
That Glock barrel with lans and grooves was not designed for the FBI. It was designed for the Miami-Dade police dept. in Miami, Florida. It was my department that did the study and we found it was very hard to identify what barrel or gun the projectile came from. The FBI just looked at our study, agreed with it and they made it a prerequisite. Glock first called those barrels Miami barrels. I have a gen 3 Glock with that barrel. Also, Glock redesigned and adopted their double recoil spring set-up because of us also. We carried Winchester ranger T series 124gr +P+ ammunition and Glock redesigned the spring for us and later adopted it to all their guns. I remember Glock reissued us the double springs and we all had to go to the dept. armorer to get the new spring installed.
michael leon sir, what your Department studied, this has been common knowledge well over 20 years. I started in internship in 1998 and it was common knowledge. This far predates Miami study. Glock has had requests for conventional rifled barrels for this reason. According to the folks I interviewed, the FBI wanted their new generation pistols to be identifiable. From what I see, the Marksman barrels are. The whole story, I don’t know if I have it all. Glock is very tight lipped on it. Their claims for the new barrel is quite different from what the Feds said I spoke to. For me, it came down to the comparative scope. If the identification of fired projectiles was not a goal for the 17M, it is one hell of a coincidence!
Lipsey ordered the commercial M19 M17 glocks according to the Glock rep who was working on the deal. Also you can get the DLC parts from some LEO Glock armors. If your buddies a police officer he can ask his Glock rep to get you some.
Kris 9mm I was told by Glock directly that the DLC components are restricted. They are only available by approval I’d SR Glock management. The parts are on the form. But has anyone ordered and received these DLC parts?
SmallArmsSolutions yes n some armors are giving them to people who attend their LEO classes
Love these videos. Really get to nerd out.
Sir, I work as a part time armorer for a large department that has 17M’s. I have more info on the 17M’s if you want. Tell me how to email you.
Email Heather at hbartocci@smallarmssolutions.com
Hi sir I have a glock17 gen3 what your opinion on my weapon between the 17m. My email sammarkanthony@g mail.com
Excellent analysis. I was unaware this pistol even existed. I figured they just threw some new sights on it or maybe did a trigger job or some like that.
I love my Gen5 17 being a left-handed person. I owned a gen 2 skipped the Gen 3 still own my gen 4 but I stippled it because of the finger grooves.. My Gen5 17 is now my Carry.. anybody that says the Gen 4 an the Gen 5 are the same don't own a Gen 4 or Gen 5
@3:09 how is the person closest to the camera holding that gun??? It looks very odd!!
lefty
Fbi guns had extended slide lock and extended mag catch and ndlc coasted triggbar and connector and made in usa with agent sights.
Thanks for the info. As a regular Glock fan boy I wish they would make a G23Gen5... but untill then, my tricked out RMR milled slide G23Gen3 will keep on been my EDC and copetition shooting pistol.
JOe DeLeon it’s coming, expect an announcement in October 2020
@@jacobschrader14 Jejejeje... Hope you're right but really so far, I'm very well served with my current platform. Best!
Can you do something on the Glock Miami barrel? This was made to leave barcode like markings on a bullet. I have a feeling that at least some of the Miami barrel tech made it into the Marksman barrels.
I heard the FBI had problems with the black connector and the black connectors were replaced in the FBI m19 and m17 pistols.
Would you say, if you were limited to 10 rounds like in Kalifornia, that 10 rounds of 45 or 10mm would be better then 10 rounds of 9mm?
Definitely like the finish color of the 17M.
When the FBI went away from Sig p228 to Glock was that price related?
No, they switched from a 9mm to a .40 cal
Great Video, and I really appreciate all of the information you gave us.......🤝🏾🇺🇸💪🏾
Can you please elaborate on the trigger undercut? I’m interested in how it’s different? I wasn’t able to tell by the video. Thanks for the excellent info!
Thanks for all the research and info. Doing dry fire practice with my g45 while listening haha. With developments in projectile and material design (running critical defence 9mm at the moment) I feel like I have a better carry system now than when I carried a 45acp.
Feel all you want.
Thank you for a very interesting and informative video. It answered a lot lot of questions I personally had between theses pistols.
Do you think any changes have been made to the polymer between these two or any of the models?
Did any Ms get shipped with suppressor height ameriglos?
I'll be keeping an eye out for any G47 that manages to get out on the market too.
I just bought a Glock 17m USA stamped. It has everything you went over, however my rear AmeriGlo iron sight has a squared off finish. Other than that it looks exactly like the Glock 17m shown here. Is this a gun you recommend modding or keep it as is? In your preference.
Keep as is a collector gun, I got mine at Cabelas by luck, I just liked the Ameriglow sites., lol
a lot of the police departments in canada are switching to the 17m. over their old glock 22s
Does Glock 42 have a marksman barrel?
That coil spring has always vexed me. My normal trigger job on a Glock is a minus connecter and a NY-1 trigger spring (olive). It might slightly increase the pull weight but gets rid of the sponge to the wall. I don't particularly like the fact that Glock is setting on the DLC trigger bar but since they are the LEGO of the pistol world I am sure someone will produce a part to take my money. I'll will leave you with a question can we call the 17 M the Goverment Model...? Yehaa from East TN
My glock 17 gen 4 have the Pentagon marking on the barrel
I remember this pistol. I also remember when the FBI sent out the contract. It's interesting to see just how different this pistol is compared to the gen 4. I honestly thought that this pistol was what steered the evolution of the gen 4, but apparently it seems it did more steering of the gen 5. This might also help explain why the only gen 5's so far are the 17 and 19 pistols. This is also the first I've heard of there being US-made Glock pistols (although I shouldn't given the fact that the Glock 19X is a thing, which was the Army-trials pistol...that'd have to be US-manufactured as a qualifier)....I'd imagine I'll be hearing a lot more of that in the future.
@Jeffrey Carlson Really? I need to keep up with things better. Any chance on a gen 5 17L or is just going to be the 34 as the competition version from now on?
@Jeffrey Carlson I was under the impression the 17L gets made every 2-3 years in limited batches though no?
would using the 17M or 19M as shooters be ok or are they considered collectors items and would be too much of a waste of history?
Alex PB absolutely, shoot it. The Lipseys ones are not 100% 17M.
The reason the firing pin hole is shaped like that is to allow any debris if any to fall out even Taurus does this and says that’s why they shape it that way
Chris, as always, love the professional content.
Video could be improved by listing these "markings, etc" on screen as you mention them :-)
I assume "lip-see" is a large distributor?
Lipsey's is the spelling, if you wanted to search for them. They are a major distributor that sometimes has special guns made or modified for them. They only work with FFLs, not consumers.
Great information thanks for the research I jeek out on Glock specs
Wait did the tenifer finish actually use cyanide?
It appears none of the ones released to the public had the DLC internals, I haven't been able to find anyone with it
You can have one handgun to survive with. What would it be?
How much of this carries over to the 43X MOS?
I like 9mm and it's now a sensible, effective round. However, I'm a little more accurate with 45. I like the recoil characteristics. I'll still keep a 45 around in a HK platform. And if forced to use FMJ, I'd opt for 45. Though, some of that new military 9mm 115 +p FMJ flatnose (M1152) would be nice to have.
After saying the above... there's some pretty devastating +p 45 acp being manufactured nowadays.
So are these considered fairly rare? I just picked one up from a local shop they didn’t make it out to be very special other than being a glock of course
Hey Chris!
I recently picked up a 19M made in Austria that has the extended slide stop, came with glock night sights and has thre dlc coated internals. Picked it up from Buds Gun Shop a few months ago. Hope this helps a bit.
Rob Kilcollins as the story continues to unravel with all y’all info, sounds like there is much disconnect on what Glock’s FBI contract parts policy is. This is a difficult story to research. Much contradictories.
The ones with glock night sights and dlc internals were issued to the USMC Criminal investigation division.
made in Austria.
Yeah, that's a Pentagon not a hexagon. Sorry, I'm a maths geek.... couldn't let that one pass. Good info to know, tankx alot...
Thanks Chris. I was going to ask about the G30. Remembered you carried it for a while, I went from the G30 to the G19. What HST gr (std pressure or +p) do you carry in the G45? Thanks for all that you do for us.
Curious as well. I like the 124 gr Standard pressure myself
Just bought x2 a few weeks ago!
hey there chris. you mentioned you worked with Lasermax, testing lasers on a glock. i've been interested in the lasermax guide rod for my G19. i know you are busy. would it make my ccw g19 less dependable? yes or no? thanks bud. you are the GOAT for modern firearms.
No sir but you have to change out the recoil springs frequently. They are rocket wire WHI’s take frequent sets. I would change the spring every 1k to be safe. Other than that you are good to go.
1) Does anyone know why the Gen5 and 17M nDLC coatings fail so badly, compared to the ferritic nitrocarburized finishes, either from the gas or liquified salt methods?
2) Does anyone know why the newer Glock marksmanship barrels are failing due to internal corrosion problems? Is it the inferior nDLC finish or the different rifling profile? The problem is getting bad for the Gen5 models.
@Doug You are exactly right about the Gen5 models as junk. So many of them at the store have been replaced due to unfixable problems. The Gen5 trigger is awful and unfixable.
Like you said, Gen3 is the best with Gen4 if a reversible mag catch is needed. The backstrap modification on the Gen4 models messed up the triggers. Lawsuits happened and part of the problem was corrected with the dot connectors. The Gen4 before the dot connector was the worst. Now the Gen5 is objectively the worst with the elimination of the S-spring. Replacing the trigger bar with the current design eliminated 99.98% of all the S-spring failures. Unlike what Chris said, the trigger pull is heavier when the S-spring breaks or falls off due to incorrect assembly. Pulling the trigger forward is something that is NEVER needed if the S-spring breaks when the Glock is used. Pulling the trigger forward is only needed if the slide is racked with the finger off the trigger.
What's the maker for the magazine extension on the Glock at the lower mid-left at 26:00?
Glock, I believe everything on the table is Glock
Great video, as usual. I bought a new Glock 17 Gen 5 a couple days ago (I guess they're all coming with front slide serrations now). This gun doesn't have the half-moon cutout at the base of the grip for ripping out a stuck mag. Is/was this standard for all G17 Gen 5's or a recent modification?
From what I can tell, what you're describing is the third variation of the G17 Gen 5.
@@kirkmooneyham Didn't even know there were three variations.
I got a g5 17 two years ago and mine had front serations and no cut out . Came with ameriglos . It was the only one available. I think the old square slide looks better .
Great video, very informative I must say. I like the Glock 17 M
Be well
Great video, Chris! So there actually is a difference in the trigger guard (M/Gen5 vs Gen1-4) where it meets up with the frame? Is it somewhat minor?.......when I compared a G5 with a G4 in store I didn’t think I saw a difference. Is there still a high propensity for “Glock knuckle” with the M/Gen5 ?
The picture of the FBI flavor of the 17M appeared to show a radiused trigger guard. Other versions of the 17M showed the same defective Glock trigger guard design.
All the Gen1-5 and Slimline pistols have the defective trigger guard design that causes Glock knuckle.
My engineering friends and I ran a test with 5000 frame/second high speed video to see why the Glock trigger guard sucks so badly. Counter recoil is the issue as the slide enters battery.
The undercut trigger guard modification doesn't work, but it does have the full placebo effect. The real fix is recontouring the trigger guard to push on the middle finger at the middle of the trigger guard. The nylon welding works well. The so-called internet experts call me a clocksucker and other homosesual slurs for not developing a thick skin. Idiots. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.
Great videoSir, I bet you'd see a difference with a 12 gauge slug round, it's as close as you're going to get to a magic bullet
Is any Glock better than another Glock? I have gen 2 Glocks and like um like my Gen 5s.
Not really, they all are indestructible. The 4 and 5 will have slightly less recoil due to the dual action springs
The lands impressions in those pics of the bullet look quite deep. I wonder how that affects coated or plated bullets, since the coating/plating is thinner than FMJ. Would that lead to a higher risk of leading in the rifling?
Another great presentation. Thank you Bartocci clan ! God bless 👍🏻🙏🏻🇺🇸
I have a question: Have you noticed any significant improvement in accuracy with the Marksman's barrel over the original polygonal rifling? How're the groups looking like at say....25 yards?
I ran some tests in the ballistics lab. I could not detect any accuracy difference at all, nor a precision difference. The new barrels appear to be smoke and mirrors bee ess from Glock.
I switched out my marksman barrel with a threaded faxon barrel. There is definitely a difference. I would say on average, my groups are 10-15% worse with the faxon.
I have noticed that there were a few production runs of Faxon barrels with improperly machined barrel hoods and external chamber dimensions. That fit
can be checked or compared to the OEM barrel.
No accuracy improvement. Easier to forensically match bullets to guns with new rifling.
Inrangetv did a good comparison video showing the accuracy difference.
G 17 . Ameriglo sights. Good to go
Recently purchased a 17M the barrel however seems to be just 9x19 3D and Glock AT.....so Glock stopped producing the marksman barrels?
Does the SN match your slide Bbl and frame? This does not sound right. Sounds like someone swapped out a gen 4 barrel for yours. Also watch out for your recoil spring.
@@SmallArmsSolutions Yes sir serials match
I confirmed with Glock it is indeed a Marksman barrel.
Good review, 40 s&w ammo. has improved as well as 9mm ammo. So how is 9mm ammo better? Other than recoil.
The poor quality of FBI quota hires have less problems shooting a 9mm. The standards for ballistic performance were lowered to allow more quota hires and incompetent police and FBI candidates to pass the firearm courses.
Entire reason for the .40 was to increase terminal over 9mm. Along with the .40 you gained recoil, and less capacity. Now with the 9mm ammo up to par, LE/Mil has a higher capacity, lighter recoil / increased accuracy and hits which increases the performance of the end user.
The .40 is not obsolete. If you can give your people a pistol they perform better (increase hits, accurate hits (better shot placement), give them more ammunition and in some cases lighter firearms and increase qualification score, this is a good thing!
SmallArmsSolutions Thank you for your reply, there is a lot to be said about the lighter recoil and shot placement . My 9mm M&P is very pleasant to shot, especially with a heavy for caliber round. For my Glock 22 l use 40 cal. Hornady Critical Duty because of the reduced recoil and I am impressed with the ballistics. Living in Canukistan our magazines are limited to 10 rounds , because I don’t live in a Free Country magazine capacity is a moot point.
Its ironic to me the FBI determined that a full power 10mm was "needed". BUT.... they turn around and water down the 10mm because all those teeny college grads with law or business degrees couldn't hack it. So the FBI tells the shooting world the 10mm is "it" but then officially blesses a load that is well below "it".
What slays me is the number of people in the gun world who swoon over the FBI and its royal decrees based on gelatin. Even worse for Mr Civilian Shooter is ammo companies further watering down .40 factory loads. That little disturbing bit was brought to my attention by one of my CSI techs which prompted me to look closer at those shootings. I went on a couple more myself and yeh, the tech was spot on.
It’s just tough to beat a Glock for rugged reliable performance. Millions of law enforcement and military worldwide use them for good reason. A legit benchmark in small arms.
Christian Morgan
I agree... I’ve owned a couple of M&P’s including the one I own now in 357sig with a Trijicon rmr on it.
I’ve never had a malfunction.
Glocks are reliable and proven no doubt.
But they’re about as sexy as Rosie O’Donnell.🤣🤣🤣🤣
Most major gun manufacturers make reliable guns... or they wouldn’t be in business long.
Nobody gets excited about a Glock...
But I pull that M&P out and everyone wants to put a magazine through it.😊👍
pittbullbill
Holds up fine for me.
The average FBI agent and law enforcement officer will most likely never discharge their weapon in the line of duty.
So to say an M&P won’t hold up is ridiculous.
How many shots are fired in the average engagement 1-10????
You’re telling me an M&P won’t hold up for 10 rounds.
Laughable.🤣🤣🤣🤣
Obviously the US military DOES NOT use Glocks...
And even if it did a pistol is what you use to fight your way back to your rifle.
A pistol is not a combat weapon.
A rifle is.👍
So EXACTLY who won’t it hold up for?
I’ve got THOUSANDS of malfunction free rounds out of mine.
The argument you’re making is ludicrous.
Rusty Shackleford
I agree.
I know many people who own them and I have shot them many times.
They’re a very fine firearm.
The problem is Glock owners seem to have a problem admitting that there are MANY fine firearms.😊👍
The Mad Mick - you’re right about Glock owners being hard headed. That’s a compliment about how good Glock is. You have to earn customer devotion.
pittbullbill
I agree.
It’s a superb pistol.
I won’t argue that for one second.👍
I love the opportunity to hear relatively specialist knowledge that is not widely known, similar to C&R. Thanks, good vid. Also like your small front logo tshirts. Large front are obnoxious and look full deck. Peace IS measured, an not just in meters, but in all aspects of r&d, manufacturing, testing, and practice, of every wespons system, from spears, to anti-satellite weapons. No measurements, no peace.
Another great video, keep pumping them out buddy
Very interesting information on the G17M.👍
The .40S&W has a very abrupt pressure curve .
Another great video! Now you need to cover the new champion Glock unicorn, the Glock 47. Chris, correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the 17 length slide on the 47 is compatible with the G5 Glock 19 frame? I've been wondering when Glock, as a result of this, will release this configuration?
Helifano Dobezanozi if I can ever get my hands on a 47, you will have a video.
@@SmallArmsSolutions Awesome!!!
Soooo, did the “gen5” stem from the FBI requirements? Since the M models were created before the gen5, and besides a few finish differences, they’re the same thing. Seems to me Glock said “let’s just produce the M commercially and call it the gen5” 🤷🏽♂️
Thank you my friend. Well done and much appreciated: )