The Pros and Cons of Living in an Income-Sharing Commune
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2016
- In the heart of Washington, D.C., seven people live in a single home and pool all of their incomes (which range from upwards of $80,000 to a couple thousand) together to share. The residents of Compersia Commune embrace an ideology that values unpaid labor and disavows capitalism. In this tiny, socialized economy, the collective gets everything you have-which, for some, has been liberating. “We talk a lot and think a lot about trying to transform our relationship to money,” says GPaul, the commune’s founder. “We’re doing all of this work so that worrying about money [and] stressing about money is not so present in our lives.”
Subscribe to The Atlantic on RUclips: bit.ly/subAtlanticYT 
Кино
Looks like they haven't figured out who is responsible for cleaning.
👏🏻🙄
LOL I can't imagine what it smells like. And sharing a bathroom with these people? No thanks.
😂😂😂😂
I think there's a difference between dirty and cluttered. It doesn't necessarily look dirty just cluttered as hell
Like most utopian communities in the past their community will implode when they figure more people are taking than giving.
They should combine more minimalistic philosophy because looking at all that clutter and mess makes me sick...
Lol, I kind of thought the same thing... ;)
Agreed
pauka90 well, that you.
I was thinking the exact thing!
pauka90 i thought most collectives were off the grid types
AND usually minimalistic
"sorry for interrupting you" --what polite kids, my god!
I thought the same thing I'm suprised more ppl in the. Moments section haven't mentioned it
That’s what I said
I grew up in a community where there was a group like that. It's resulted in a lot of pain now that I've grown up, and grown apart from them. It also gave me a very bad understanding of how to handle money, and what I am actually worth as a skilled laborer. When you grow up hating the idea of money, you tend to be willing to work for a lot less than you should and people take advantage of you.
Yes, if you are the most efficient worker in a commune, you are discouraged and punished. If you are the least efficient worker in a commune, you are encouraged and rewarded. Thanks for sharing your experience over time.
I could do shared land and garden and farm but the clutter is already driving me nuts in the living space.
Kim Chloe that's just them, you can definitely organize better in your own shared space
It was called the tradigity of the commons. (Shared lands) in the early American colonies. Almost everyone died. Try cracking a history book every once in a while.
Tragedy of the commons is an economic idea. It only applies if no one can talk to each other and make an enforceable deal for the better of eveyone. It's 4 adults for freaks sake. They could fix it if they wanted to. They probs don't care. There's 3 children running around what's clutter.
+S “Superhero for Fun!” history books lie
The clutter is the first thing I noticed. I'm sure someone will get it together. 50 hours of community labor, that should be plenty of time.
someone making $27,000 and someone making $85,000 treated as equal providers.......hmmmm....i think i'll just keep my money thanks
Matthew Kern I wonder who is taking advantage of whom!
actually, someone who used to make 27 thou... he quit and went freelance hahaaah
What time is the daily stoning of residents that want to leave?
The one making 85,000 brought 3 kids though
M awesome analysis!
The woman who makes 80K a year is just paying for a bunch of squaters.
Hopefully she has a secret savings stashed in the capitalist bank.
somebody should clean that house....ok that would be my job
Well she seems fine with it. This is what gender equality looks like.
I have seen this and lived this. Survivalist compound on 5 acres, the owner of which makes around $100k a year. He invites all kinds of squatters to come live, the ones with any work ethic at all (myself, and a few others) get all the work piled onto them and eventually wise up and leave. The owner's left with a lot of lazy suck-ups who stroke his ego by agreeing with everything he says no matter how stupid, picture Mr. Burns out of the Simpsons and his yes-men.
She’s also contributing her ex husbands child support
“I made 27, 000... so i quit my job and now I don’t know how much I make.” This is the exact opposite of the type of person you want splitting your resources...
Isn’t that the point though? These are people who realize that in a capitalistic society we decide one’s worth based on income. There are many valuable resources one can provide that don’t produce income. Cooking, cleaning, childcare, etc. I’d have no problem living with someone who earned no income, but did help keep the house running.
I agree with you Sarah. I think we should start are own commune lol. I'm in Indiana now but looking to move anywhere warm all year round.
when the kid apologized for interrupting, I cried
why?
it was just so polite and cute
Oh. That's sweet. : )
I.. honestly don't think he meant it...
Like... really. It sounded ironic.
k
So the lawyer is paying for everything lmao
Yeah but she got a younger boyfriend.
Not sure about that. Her income should be divided by 4 since she has 3 kids. I think...
And a bunch of babysitters lol
You literally didn't pay attention to anything that was said in this video. All the income everyone makes is being pooled into a collective community fund that goes toward making it a more equitable community for all.
Idk, if I had kids, I don’t think I’d be all that comfortable with them living in the same house as several people that I really don’t know *that* well?..
I mean, they’re probably fine and being treated very well, but… seems a bit risky to me…
Sierra Long Yes! I was cringing the whole time, especially when her boyfriend, the man with whom after 3 weeks together she has the “ greatest relationship she has ever had”, yelled at her kids and was visibly angry. He may have had reason to be upset, but really? Talking to the kids like that in front of a film crew? I was very unimpressed.
+Mary Anne Brown Really? You are the reason kids are so weak and overly-sensitive in today's world.
Billsama Bin Clinten totally agree with you. You have to be cautious but we should also develop the skills needed to be in a functioning society. The kids in this video seemed nice polite and centered.
Billsama Bin Clinten How many children do you have?
H. Santos Believe me, my children definitely have the skills to make it in society. Are you a parent? Or are you just a keyboard warrior spouting of on a topic you have no personal experience dealing with.
"Setting aside money to put into individual accounts for each person." So the lawyer and the teacher are supporting 3 basically jobless men and ALSO giving them cash that they will never get back.
No different than a husband and a stay at home mom. They do most of the financial work and the others likely do the house work. Both are equally important
@@craiga4215 They're not married, they're roommates. And by the looks of that unkempt house those 3 men are not doing housework nor taking good care of the other people's children.
you mean a handyman, a small business owner, a teacher and a single unemployed man
No there pooling together their resorces and as this commune grows so will the money and their opportunities. For example that person ur counting out as just the cook or whatever might be able to invent something or start some sort of buisness now or maybe the other will and they will all help and all share in the profits it's essentially a giant happy family
It's great that these people have found a way of life that makes them feel satisfied and whole. I hope it works out well for them and they reach their goal. I know I wouldn't fit in here at all, I like my own space and managing my own money.
So do l. I'm contemplating going to visit a friend, eager until my friend told me they are living in a commune, now not s sure about going, especially since my friend has been constantly nagging me to visit, l need t o find out more about communes.
There are components of commune living that makes sense. Child care shared amongst adults with shared living and eating space sounds very healthy, but income sharing isn't completely necessary and seems destabilizing. Cooperative housing with more communal elements might be more appropiate for most people.
Nada I have to agree with you. I love the idea of a community based child rearing, something that used to be more common in American Christian churches and in American Jewish communities. Some percentage of income pooling is fair for food and shared living expenses, but for the long term, a fully shared income seems very risky to me.
Maybe they could give a large share 30-40%, but a sense of independence is important.
Nada I agree. I think though that every commune is going to have different levels of involvement, and that that's okay too. Communes that are built and operate in the context of capitalism while being very socialist internally are the future. And communes aren't for everyone either- they are ugly when they are not free and consentual.
Agreed
mm I've heard of shared living but this shared income ..perhaps not a lot of people would be able to do that.
i wouldnt wanna be making 80+k a year only to be sharing a dirty small space with a bunch of others and eating diseased, dumpster food....
@yutr7o6856e7d68f9g you have zero insight into her finances, or into what she gets back in the arrangement. Free childcare, for instance.
@@jonguyen100 lmao, let's weigh both sides: make 85k/year, become financially stable and independent, save up for your children's college fund, retire at 55-60 OR make 85k/year, have most of that income go towards people who work and do less than you do, will never be financially independent, can't save for children's college fund because it all goes towards grown men and women, never be able to retire BUT AT LEAST I GET FREE CHILDCARE
@@HHH-qp9zd dude communes are wierd but they are not evil whats bad is not being able to choose. But they do have choices. They keep their finances in check and put money into different accounts for all the members. And even if that chick is the tent pole for 1 house and all utilities she's probably paying the same amount as for only her and her kids. Like chill this is like having roommates but with a student government and a fundraiser mixed in. And guess what? No one wants you in their commune and you don't have to be in one.
@@jonguyen100 im not sure of i would want free childcare in the form of Steve telling my kids "what he can do to stop that"
Well, from an efficiency view for the commune, it does make more sense to have a few high cash earning people, instead of a bunch of people spending more man-hours making the same amount of cash. That said, those who are not earning, should have enough time to keep that house MUCH nicer. But, they knew they were being filmed, so perhaps, that's not a priority for them (?) Also, I'm not convinced that they have fully thought out the ramifications of sharing income as opposed to just reducing and sharing bills. It might be my indoctrination speaking, but this situation may be feasible as long as it remains a "family-sized" enterprise, but I seriously doubt this is scale-able to 15+ people. I predict if it gets much bigger the founder and the lawyer will leave together. (I suppose that's not a remarkable prediction.)
$60/hr as a handyman wtf is he on
sounds right in sf bay area for quick jobs. keep in mind that he doesn't get many hours.
You get someone to come to your house to fix your plumbing, he is probably getting paid more than 60/hr
San Francisco maybe. Not in Texas
Justin Červený different cost of living in Texas vs San Fran. That will effect wages/cost of goods and services.
Payscale says different.
So you have a bunch of people under the same roof, sharing all the bills? Yeah, you have roommates. Not a new thing.
this may be a bit different. .. aka sharing income
It is like being married to whole bunch of people you done know, minus the sex. Your financial decisions are not your own.
Paris Roam basically Socialism in a small scale. Like Jim Jones. You know, totally works in our brains if we just use our imaginaaation lmao
This could work for them, be I doubt socialism could work on any larger scale.
@Michael Bravo That's what socialist countries end up looking like...lol
The lawyer's problems stem from her previously having kids with an inflexible jerk. It wasn't a living problem.
Yeah it almost seems like she is also paying for a father figure
She doesn’t seemed to be wrapped too tight
Mom earns 85k a year, kids eat out of a trash can, including tainted food that "only" killed a couple of people. Sounds liberating.
Fax
They seem safe and happy. Nothing wrong with food that's safe when cooked properly. Any undercooked food can have nasty germs. We throw out so much food because people can get careless but if you know you need to be cautious it's good free food.
And in general this is a much better environment for kids. Do you think they were lying about the kids loving it there?
Is it just me or do all these people seem a bit off?
Who are you to say what's normal? Shut up
@@CriticalSurvival0 somebody is a bit touchy. deeply insecure about your lifestyle?
@@powpowouchy5 what’s normal tho???
As long as you don’t force me to join then have at it. Make all the communes you want, but don’t legislate it.
If the attorney left, the commune would be dead. They are already eating out of dumpsters!
Christian Rupprechter ....That's why it's called a commune, because they all pitch in financially. It's not just the lawyer.
Joyful Noise But she brings in half the money... The unspoken reality of their commune is that everybody secretly has a priority list of who they'd kick out if push came to shove. There is going to one person in that group who is least likely to be voted off, give a wild guess as to who is at the bottom of that list.
@@IndigoXYZ18 The whole idea of a commune is that human labor is intrinsically valuable, whether it is making 85,000 a year for the commune or caring for the children or preparing meals.
natecat333 Well that's the thing, all forms of work just aren't as valuable. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't strife to life in a world where everybody is happy, healthy and well fed, but some careers make bring us closer to that reality than do others. Nobody would die tomorrow if all the fast food workers forgot how to do their jobs, where as if the same were true of doctors it would be a crisis. You need only grant me the fact that some jobs improve global well being more than others, and that most of these jobs only a handful of people can do, and you are literally describing what value is (utility & scarcity). That woman can dumpster dive for recalled chicken, that bum however cannot cover for her on a sick day and represent her clients in a court of law.
Now I'm not opposed to socialized funding, far from it, there are problems that don't generate money by solving them, and where the free market cannot solve problems, not solve them fast enough, or actively cause programs, that's where a health dose of socialism comes into the picture to balance things out. That said we need to face facts lest we end up like Venezuela; a nuclear physicist brings more to the table than does somebody who collects cans. Full stop.
Just for the record, they also mentioned food reclamation, which is a really amazing way to get food from grocery stores that would be thrown away otherwise. We have to reshape the way that food is wasted around the world. Currently nearly 30% of food that is produced goes to waste. That's INSANE
I found an update on a blog- it seems the lawyer left after she and her bf broke up?:
"The danger of relying on the income of one or two members is further illustrated by the slow demise of Compersia which began falling apart when the member who had a large income that basically supported the community left. This was also caused by a romantic breakup between two members-a different danger when relationships are what stabilize a community."
When the brother said “Sorry for interrupting you Laren (?)” oh my god great parenting and such a sweet boy!
I don't understand the defensive reaction in the comments. If you don't want to live like this you don't have to, that's kind of the point. Why do you need to prove so badly that the way other people live their lives is wrong?
Because they are lecturing us about how decadent we are for living in a capitalistic society. We should join the wave of the future which is Marxism. Their arguments are tendentious and sophomoric; yet they look down on and are dismissive of main stream culture. The motto for the Federation of Egalitarian Communities is, "We're better than you ... we're MARXIST." These people are hated because they have the same message as ANTIFA: We're right and you're wrong. And anyone with a few brain cells still firing can figure out that they are not the wave of the future; that they represent a step back into tribalism and that can't possibly be a positive model for the planet in the 21st century.
Just as an example, what do you think happens in an FEC community when someone wants to have a child and start a family -- a pretty ordinary thing for people in the outside world. In community it can become a BIG DEAL for obvious reasons. The community may well tell you to get on the child waiting list and wait until a spot opens up. Things that are straight forward in ordinary life are made unnecessarily complex in community.
Wade Rivers oh shut the hell up
Fabio... just what I would expect from a snowflake liberal. No discussion. Just shut up: the mantra of Antifa. If you don't agree with us, you have to be silenced. No dissent can be permitted in our Trotsky paradise. You know what happened to Trotsky; he was assassinated by Stalin. His world Marxist revolution never happened because you lefties always produce a bloodbath eventually when you gain power. It always leads to Mao's Cultural Revolution and Pol Pot's Killing Fields -- millions of dead bodies, sacrifices for leftist idealism. You don't really care about people ... what you really care about is your leftist fantasies. If blood has to be shed, it's always for a good cause ... right? Marxism has been an absolute and total disaster for the world; yet you lefties persist in promoting this moribund ideology -- no matter what the reality is.
Pat Downs how fucking pedantic can you get dude. Do u realize how bloody capitalism has been in retaining its ideals. You’ve never heard of the haymarket riots? Or, y’know, the genocide of native ppls to have them integrate into capitalism. You’re telling me the Vietnam war was completely justified for the US to join in? Ur a joke who has a couple 10 cent words up his sleeve to throw around during an argument in some shallow attempt to drown his opponents in vocabulary when ur just spewing the same shit every capitalist does. Lemme guess, the black book is ur main source for ur arguments?
Red Walker Its the clutter it drives people nuts.
I have spent 22 years of my life living with my parents, grandma and younger brother and sister. When I finish college I intend to move out but these people want to live with even more people. I would honestly go insane if I lived the way they do.
Serbian Patriot Its not you're life .lol
One by One True their life their choice but it just shocked me that people willing choose to live like this. The bathroom line must be a mile long there lol.
personally living with people you choose to live with is different. Living with my friends was way more fun than with my family
i would only work if the houses were separted. if they are in one building then there will be conflict for sure.
If it works out for them. Then good.
*A small productive community* can go further together. That's how companies and organizations work.
You should do an update video. I would love to know if the commune was still working.
Miss_Ellie
Update: last week, they all got sick from eating recalled romaine lettuce they found in the dumpsters. 🙃
Update: kids homeless now because Mom funded these freeloaders useless lives by diverting all her money into individual savings accounts for them instead of paying for her kid's college/training programs so they can actually support themselves.
I think I can guess. Because collectivism NEVER WORKS.
Bet it's long gone
Kathy Florcruz yeah that’s why we never lived in them ever in any time in human history OH WAIT
I'm a messy person. But that disgusting mess shown in every room was way beyond anything I could tolerate. That was impossible. Just gross.
Barbara Vick It wasn’t gross. There was just a lot of stuff everywhere. They probably don’t have enough room in the house for everyone’s stuff.
That lady could probably do better for 85k/year.
Adam I don’t know she seemed crazier than a shithouse rat.
Not in D.C. she couldn't.
She’s probably paying off Student loans
Couldn’t they have cleaned the house knowing that the film crew was on the way?
lol
they probably did
I glad she point out personality conflict in a commune since we are all so diverse as human. Also, I noticed that one of the room they shared, personal space was also considered as important.
This is not that different from just living in a family household, you are just creating it with a roommate and community situation. I think some people don’t want to live alone and really want that support system, so this could be a great alternative.
I lived in a commune in college. The biggest problem is when you have that one crazy person in the house ruining everything. That was a big deal.
Other than that, I wished I had lived in a commune my whole college experience. It was much cheaper in terms of pretty much everything like rent, utilities, and groceries.
The food was much more varied, healthier, and delicious. No ramen noodles for us. We did most of our cooking, cleaning, and some of the maintenance and groceries. I did the house cooking two days per week. It was a great experience.
The attorney seems to contribute most and i bet she also does all of their dishes and laundry
lived in a co-op and it is exactly like this. dirty, cluttered, tense, socially messy and self-isolating.
do not do this. plz
Hello where you had this negative experiences? BTW. they really have to less space for themselves.
This is just normal in the Philippines. Everyone lives together. Relatives take care of your kids. Relatives also depend on your income. But they give back by doing your chores. Introvert hell.
Well duh!
Kr time to move back to heaven!
Seriously, I, amd my children can do our own damn dishes/laundry/cooking etc... *Housework is not hard*
This man said..... I would prefer not to have to ask you to do that.
Then his mom is heard saying “ oh yeah the kids love it “. My thoughts"? Have you actually asked them or did you just assume?
“Food reclamation and rescue” - dumpster diving. 😂
So this way of life is so great that they literally dumpster dive to put food on the table these people need to step back before they drink too much of the kool-aid
As an introvert I could never do this... it’s not even the clutter, just the lack of personal space freaks me out 😩
You know I wish these people understood economics better, like when he claims "cooking for everyone has no market evaluation"; because actually, it does. All those domestic jobs: pick up the kids Vs pay a nanny, cook Vs eat out and have others cook for you... we could go on. There is a hard value you can put on it. The money you DONT SPEND/DONT NEED because you do that work.
TheShowThatSUX but if they weren't doing that before, how would it save them money which is the basis of your definition of market value? And it certainly doesn't produce any hard monetary value. So I'm going to need you to elaborate.
+AvgJane19, well first you assume MONEY is the only capital. So let us go over some basic economics:
Let us say there is a kid that needs to be watched: ok we can pay someone other than the parent or guardian to run a daycare, or we can watch the kid out self as the parent or guardian. THE CAPITAL is KID WATCHING CAPITAL, you can trade MONEY to have the capital attended to by others or you can attend to the CAPITAL your self without money.
Now an example that avoids the "if they weren't doing that before": say you have a kitchen set up in disarray, you can't and don't cook because of it. Now let us say you take the counters and turn them into an assembly line so that same kitchen cannot only make meals but many of them fast. THIS IS NEW CAPITAL, in the forms of FOOD PRODUCTION CAPITAL. If you do it for your self you have FREE TIME AND MORE FOOD PRODUCTION, if you do it for others you tend to get paid money or traded goods and or services in exchange for this capital that added value to others.
Rather you EVER HAD THE MONEY TO PAY OTHERS TO DO YOUR WORK FOR YOU OR NOT is a different point from the market value and economic value of these labors. Now when you replied you were thinking in terms of "hard monetary value" and that is the same flawed argument made in this vid. It is not that LOW PAY OR NO PAY labor has no value, it is that the MAIN VALUE OF THAT LABOR is for your self and not others. Let me ask it this way WHY SHOULD I PAY YOU: TO FEED YOUR SELF, AND WATCH YOU OWN KID, AND TAKE A TV BRAKE; instead of pay someone to FIX MY WINDOW, OR HELP ME BUILD OUT MY BIZ, or anyother activity that is of value to me?
Man they should tell my friends brother that cooking has no market value... he makes a couple hundred thousand a year cooking for families in LA
Of course cooking and laundry have a value, as you note. It just isn't equal to lawyering, plumbing or heart operating.
“Cooking for everyone” doesn’t have a value at the skill level he has. Even if he had spent a decade cooking, he still wouldn’t be able to find a job at a restaurant (excluding fast food). Also, picking up a kid once a week isn’t worthwhile as a job.
I really appreciate the editing of this, it wasn’t sugarcoated, there were awkward moments left in and that’s life isn’t it? lots of awkward moments. Lol. Power to them though, hope they get what they want out of it, it’s a beautiful idea. Personally I don’t think I could go that far I’m more of a cohousing person. We have been thinking about a way to do that in our (hopefully) early-ish retirement years. Fend off the Existential dread with community and hopefully have a little bit leftover for travel.
wendytube007, a group of people who all know one another built eight townhouses on my block. Five are young married couples with children and three townhouses have several single people. One townhouse has a communal room with a television and they share one meal together per week. They are the sweetest people I have ever known in my life. They all take in extra people, including some foster children. I'm a youngish senior and I get to stay in my own home and hang out down there all I want. It's perfect. Hope you find what you need.
This looks awful. Freeloader heaven though.
ya its an atraction for the lazy
Pros: Great environment for growing bacteria
Cons: Everything else
your comment killed me,then revived me then killed me again,awesomesauce
I’d love to do this on a farm where there’s multiple clean houses and a good environment that’s pretty self sustainable and equal between everyone
I like that they set up a system where there are multiple ways to contribute (working, labor, organization, etc). I personally wouldn't be comfortable with it but whatever works.
So essentially what these people have done is created a family. A traditional family is a small-ish group of people who share resources for the benifit of everyone. In my opinion the US needs to get back to family values even if that means living with extended family and friends in order to take care of each other
4:44 I'm about to fall out when the boy says sorry for interrupting you with the stern face, wow
I like this idea but I always go back to the concept of social loafing. If group efforts are pooled, people are less likely to work as hard as they would individually. I think tension would also start to build if you have people making less than 20k per year with people that are making more than 80k per year. Maybe a commune of people who make the same amount of money, whose needs are about the same, would work a lot better.
not sure if someone who would get mad about sharing their 80k income would be the type of person to sign up to voluntarily share it.
Wow. Just the fact that her brother apologized for interrupting her says so much about their parents. How respectful 👏🏾👏🏾
Love the idea. First heard it from 4 sisters who has over a million dollars in student loans combined. They all lived together and paid that money in less than 10 years even with the younger one only making 28k they paid hers in full.
None of those sisters got married and moved out in 10 years?
Tamara Laird But they were sisters, so they are family! These people are essentially all strangers coming together. No way can you know their true intentions.
Is this how you want to live?
I'd rather die.
I respect the sentiment but I just had a panic attack watching this
Why?
Grow a pair lmfao
Why?
I spot at least one person that is clearly getting more than their share.
Compete ToDefeat You mean Eating more than???
😂
Yeah those damn children
The guy that quit his Job.....
@@coryzachariasen8100
Looks like he doesn't get any food :)
The way everyone interacts with each other and with the kids and how the kids interact is so lovely
Agree, I would love to have other people nearby. I live alone and it's okay most of the time, but having a good friend to drink tea with, and some children to love... that would be awesome.
Yeah until they argue about something because they can't come to a full consensus on how to spend the money. Instead of just having normal roommates who pay an equal share and clean the space that they use. Of course the video wouldn't show them NOT getting alone or disagreeing because this is a clearly a showcase. If they wanna do it, fine. But the inherent flaws in this sort of lifestyle to me greatly outweigh any possible benefit.
@@r.c.whitaker296 beautifully articulated!
Id live in a commune with Jenny too if she was making that much & wasnt allowed to complain if she realised she funded us all for staying home making pseudo intellectual videos
😅
Glad I'm not the only one who caught that. She makes 85k a year as an attorney, her bf (who has a market value of 60 an hour) decides to stay home and cook, a male roommate who made 27k a year decides to quit and do odd jobs, and I'm still confused at what the other woman does for a living. Her income alone can sustain the two kids and the boyfriend, but the other two? I'm confised about their levels of contribution for folks who got the roof off their heads paid off. If she enjoys "unpaid labor" so much, her bf can stay at home and watch the kids. It only takes ONE person some elbow grease and patience to maintain a household.
I’d like to see a commune where all the members are just like FUCKING RICH but they recognize that they could raise their kids better and have healthier interpersonal relationships by sharing a space together. Now _that_ would be something new.
I love how the side recoment on this turns into. "How well meaning intellgent people end up in a cult"
Miss O.P. 😂
The Listeria-prevention explanation made me cringe...just because they said they recalled it for that reason doesn't mean that's why...please don't eat that...🤢
@Violet Heavensbee I know this. But if they pulled a recalled product out of the garbage and ate it, it may now have OTHER bacteria in it as well, that can't be cooked out.
If the product has been in a temp zone of above 41°and below 140° for a certain time, it is unsafe, no matter how long they cook it.
Not to mention there are kids in their house, and certain foodborne illnesses are far more dangerous to children, the elderly, and pregnant women. It is simply not a safe or smart thing to do.
@Violet Heavensbee not to mention...as my original comment states...Listeria may not have been the only issue. If a product had to be recalled...it's bad. As in not fit for human consumption.
You have to understand, other people may be watching this and think it's cool to pull anything out of the garbage and eat it, and it's not. It can kill you.
As someone who's very interested in this sort of thing, I can tell you, I've seen communes that are much more appealing, with tidy spaces and responsible members (in other words, people didn't join and then quit their jobs). I wish these folks well and hope they figure it out, but I also hope that those watching will keep an open mind and not assume that all communes are like this one.
"Me and Steve becoming romantic could jeopardize the commune...but I'm selfish so I don't care"
She's definitely not selfish when she gives her $85'000 pay check to them guys
So? Then they can leave. When they leave they will have their savings accounts. (Would she be taking the handyman or the freelancer?)
Live and let live.....but with kids, no way. Sometimes you can feel through watching others and I don't feel their happiness and joy one single ounce watching this video. I've seen a few similar vids where the folks at least pretended better or had a more positive ora about them. This feels to have more of a "got to" rehab vibe to it. As if they're all kind of being made to do this via court order. I'll take a tent in the woods or a tiny camper or a run down tiny studio apt over this a thousand times over, but i realize we all find comfort in different environments I guess. I agree with all of the comments about the disorganization and dirtiness factor...makes it that much more less appealing.
That little boy, he realized he interrupted the little girl, and he apologized . *MIND BLOWN*
I applaud these individuals for pursuing a way of living that is moving from what has been "the way" for the last few decades. I think a common consensus is that it is difficult to remove oneself fully from the system, and to find the desired abundance, peace, and harmony. They are definitely onto something; it'll become clearer on what really works and what can be improved upon.
A way I see that the communal way of living can really thrive is when each person is willing to fully open up to one another and look beyond ones own needs.. Yet ironically as one does this everybody benefits! It then becomes absolutely essential to find ways to cope with conflict as it arises, and to see it not as an attack upon oneself but instead to listen to what the person is really saying underneath it all and to be willing to ask how the person REALLY is feeling. Sometimes it's not just about the dishes left unwashed or the children playing too loud..
On another note the concept of shared income is intriguing especially when there may be a great disparity between how much each individual contributes.. I think that as long as each person contributes in bringing what is needed to the community it's not perfect but this helps to balance things out. For instance if ones income is unsteady one can still work on house chores or gardening..
On a personal front I do wonder if there's a community where I would fit in.. I'm really into gardening, I like to keep things neat(er) and organized, and I like to sing/dance 😁
why don't they have a garden?
They actually do have a small garden, you could see in their yard, but also he said a few times that place is temporary, as they grow.
mikael macmurray I thought the same thing. I would have thought they would put a lot of effort into growing their own veggies. I expected to see pretty much the whole yard turned over for cultivation. Well, I guess when you can get a box of expired bagged salads out of the dumpster, there is no need to put forth the effort into an organic garden.
Yeah alot of people complaining about how it's a dump and stuff, but this project just started they said so ofcourse they aren't gonna have a mansion with plenty of space for everyone. Everything always starts out small and it takes a huge amount of time to actually get this going where they want it to be. They talk in form of a vision, not what it is now.
Portlandia used to be funnier before they got rid of Fred and Carrie.
I absolutely loved communal living. I lived on The Farm Commune from age 15 - 20 and in 1979 we all moved to Austin Texas, which was a meca of some really great folks with a consciousness very much like our Commune. At The Farm, we had 1500 acres with up to 1700 people, we lived in households of up to 45 per house with 21 children in that number. We were vegan, no leather, living with free medical, I was taught " Spiritual Midwifery" , we smoked only herb and any natural Psychadelics and smoking herb was considered Communion, many ideas, philosophies, and ideas to help mankind, we lived in buses and other large structures, we were fully self sustainable, married folks had their own rooms, single ladies and men shared rooms with others of the same gender, everyone shared duties at home and worked jobs on the Farm or Construction workers worked off the Farm and brought money back and gave it to the Commune. We never paid for anything . However, we had to work to keep our village alive . The main Farm was in Summer town called,Tenn. With multiple satillite Farms from California, Canada, Guatemala, Florida, DC Austin,zero Wisconsin and the Bronx and more. We had Spiritual Teacher named Stephen Gaskin ,He was not a Leader, He encouraged everyone of us to be teachers too. How did it work, we had Agreements. I believe the most Important agreement was to tell someone immediately if they made you angry, hurt, upset , and to " work it out before any " sub conscious" / resentment festered. It wasn't always easy when on the receiving end however no one ever got mad. Wood stove heat, Live Music all weekend, I have been trying to get another situation started with Community. We need each other and one day even the young will get old. Honor your neighbor, feed each other, always have help when needed, Respect the Sacrament of the Family unit and raise creative children. Multiple books were published about how we all got started . One of my favorites is "This Seasons People". Great video!
Avalon Mist :) Sounds beautiful!
P*E*A*C*E [End all war]
@@ZeroGravity60 Thanks for your comment✌️🦋
Damn she talking crap about her daughter’s father as her daughter sits on her lap. That must make everyone feel great
Oh my gawd.... dumpster diving recalled food..... Lol
I actually love the idea. My only "issue " with this community would be not having my own space. I'm the sort of person who needs at least a few square meters to be on it's own. Right now I share an appartment with other people and I'm really happy with it. It takes a lot of stress from me. But most people can't understand that.
Not for me but it’s always interesting watching these videos and seeing some of the things people are coming up with to meet their needs
So this “commune” is just roommates
Marriage is communal living between two people. Even that always has money issues regarding what to spend the money on. It would be impossible in a group.
these can help lonely people and instill a sense of worth and value in individuals
Yeah. Charity is a temporary thing because eventually it becomes DEMANDED.
That's way too extreme for me. I'm such a introvert hermit crab, and living in that house with all those people and kids would put me in such a depressed mood.
There are a lot of concepts this commune has that's interesting, but the execution seems off.
1. More effort needs to be spent on producing food. That is where you need non-income generating labor hours.
2. The house is too small. They need to relocate to a more rural area. A place with land to farm and have chickens.
3. If staying in the city is necessary, food needs to be sourced creatively (and not dumpster diving, gross). They need to join a farm co-op and spend some labor hours that way, or rent a parcel of land outside the city and take turns living there and working it.
Why inefficiently pretend to be farmers instead of doing what they're good at and enjoy that brings in income that then pays for cheap food? What benefit? Living in a city means more jobs and resources within walking distance.
Income sharing sounds difficult for me, but I would be willing to share other things.
They knew the cameras were coming. Couldn't they at least make the beds? I think the idea of a commune is really cool, but if I started a commune, keeping things tidy and clean would be part of the rules.
Guess who works the most in that commune, and who eats the most.
😂😂😂
Con: A bunch of legitimate, solid arguments against communism, communes and a bunch of history to show why it almost always fails.
Pro: I'm not going to knock them for being in the minority of people who support this general set of ideologies who actually go out and do it and give it a solid shot. Props to them for balancing their finances and pursuing what they want to do in life. I really hope it works well for them.
Income sharing.... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
SHE shares her money and the rest live off it.
Communes are already a common thing. Most people call them "families."
This is a very very small one. Reality is they are usually slightly larger than this. I wouldn't call this one a commune yet because of it's really small size.
Make no mistake....this is a nest of rats!
I don't understand all the hate in the comments... if they're happy living this way and it works more power to them. If not then they'll just leave and do something else. We don't understand every aspect of this situation and I don't think it's fair to judge them after watching a 5 min video.
They're happy, they're not hurting themselves or anyone else, and they are making their contribution to society. Good for them
I would never do that. I prefer having my own space that I control and having control over my money.
I want to join so I can mooch off the rest. Sure, I'll "look" busy once in awhile, but basically I'll be there to freeload. If someone says something.. I'll cry.
This assumes other people are dumb. It's hard to get away with freeloading when people live closely together like that.
@@originalblob uh no it’s not.
That gpaul guy seems like hes just justifying his lack of financial abilities by starting a commune then charging $60 an hour to do "work around the house"
I live with three people. We have our own money and do what we want with it and we don't pool it. However, we do help each other out when/if the need arises. We will share our food if one of us comes short with a pay cheque, loan each other money and just help in every regard right down to cooking meals. And we still have our own lives, our own things and our own rooms. I guess it's kind of like communal living except we don't toss our resources into one pot. We just help each other when it's needed.
Wouldn't mind doing this in a bigger house for sharing living space, food costs, house work, and meal prep. But like lots of comments state...income sharing sounds like a lot of problems waiting to explode.
The second lady is sharing everything but the food !
Nope couldn’t do it. Grew up homeschooled in a household of 7.
I couldn’t live in a commune like this. I prefer a village where there’s more space.
But hey, it saves money so yay for them?
Communes without a charismatic leader seems incredibly dull.
A commune with a charismatic leader is a cult.
_jim jones ghost has entered the chat_ XD
This is a beautiful example of people living their values. I love the quote about compassion, community and solidarity. If you watched this and didn’t get it, then watch it again and listen.
Hahahaha...No.
Yes, they are clearly doing what they believe in. I personally would hate to live in that arrangement, but as long as they are not forcing their beliefs onto others or harming anyone, they should be free to live how they want. America is all about having the freedom to live the way you want in your pursuit of happiness.
its a haven for the lazy
1. Of course this is Portland.
2. The notion of valuing unpaid domestic work is admirable. Uncoupling the notion of a household economy from the conventional biological family for use among several unrelated adults seems like a practical lifestyle experiment. It would be interesting to see outcomes in 5, 10, 20 years.
Brad Cowan It’s actually in Washington, D.C., the school teacher said she had lived in other communes in Portland. But yeah, definitely lots of similar situations exist in Portland as well.
@@winkwildly California as well.
Say what you want but those are the MOST polite children I’ve ever seen!
You give all to the collective and the collective gives all to you. That sounds like dangerous logic.
This is an interesting video. I'm not sure why people are piling on with insulting comments. As some have said, if it looks like it won't work for you, that's fine but you don't have to disparage others who champion or prefer this arrangement. I've lived in shared housing for years as a student and young adult and enjoyed it: it was not income-sharing as this commune is though. During those times, despite being a young person who could well afford to get my own place, I chose not to. Interestingly, with the rise of single adults in the US - whether divorced, widowed, or never married -- and aging adults, magazines like AARP have written about communal living among the elderly. Money seems like it can solve everything but in fact, caregiving/ household chores is not only about $$ but also about trust and love. All the $$ in the world can't buy real care: I know this having worked with a lot of families with medical issues/ elderly relatives/ children and paid caregivers who steal things or neglect the person under their care. Finally, the blurb reads "upwards of $80,000"-- it's possible that some people like the freelancer or small business owner can make much more than their titles let on.
Lily...the difference between your 'shared housing' and this commune is that you and your roommates chose to benefit personally from the efficiencies of a cost splitting arrangement while respecting each others autonomy, whereas these people are "giving everything they have to the collective and the collective gives everything it has to you". They are effectively surrendering their independence to this micro state.
If you have children, I would recommend 'The Little Red Hen' by Paul Galdone.
@@1966johnnywayne In fact, I am familiar with the "Little Red Hen" from childhood and lived in a communist country for several years as a child so have experienced both communist and capitalist societies (USA, Western Europe). Both have their pros/ cons so to me, the best set-up is something in the middle. As I mentioned my my first comment, it will be up to each individual to decide what is important and fair to them in a society and on a smaller scale, a household. As one friend, born and raised in Moscow and then educated in the US, used to say, it's not about independence or dependence but interdependence. Many of my Asian and European friends consider US society at least to be "very cold" in that independence is overemphasized to the detriment of community.
@@lilychu8912 "it will be up to each individual..." only in a free society, not the collectivist societies upon which communes are modeled. Playing at commune surrounded by a free society allows one to walk away.
It is just a damn house with roommates.
What the hell? You are trying to make being unemployed seem like a good idea. I am not sure what their "goal" is. Maybe trying to make several people living in a single dwelling seem like a commune. This is NOT a good way to live. If is makes them happy, then okay....
How do you keep the chlidren safe from predators, though?
Lisa Foos if predators are a threat, I'd suggest a peacock. Excellent security animals
Would you call a housewife unemployed? Domestic work is just as important to a family or community as earning an income.
you are forgetting one thing " support" and "community" . Those are incredibly important things. people live together so that closer than what others get participating in other communal activities ( there is of course sports, hobbies, country club , churches ,etc). Now granted, why do they have to share income *shrugs* but even if they didnt share income since they live together perhaps others in the commune would be willing to help. I'm not sure if I could do the shared income thing
there is work to be done in the house even if its not "paid"
*People live together so that closer than what others get participating in other communal activities ( there is of course sports, hobbies, country club , churches ,etc).
I'm not sure what exactly I was trying to say here but living in a commune is one way to get support and community
Income sharing is not a bad concept however I would think that it may be best to put a percentage cap on how much each person contributes relative to their income. For in stance, 30% or perhaps a gradient whereby the wealthiest may contribute 35% and those who are below poverty 20- 25%, middle income contribute 30% of their salary.
So, you're in favor of a progressive tax system that can then support a generous welfare state with the goal of redistributing income in a 'fair' manner. A system that reduces the strain of poverty, thereby lessening the need for people at the lower end of the economic spectrum to improve their situation, resulting in an increased number of people 'needing' to benefit from this redistribution. A system that places an ever increasing demand on the 'wage earners', effectively punishing their productivity and removing some of the incentive to create this same income producing wealth.
I lived in a foreclosed on house in key west with 12 hippies, it was 2009 so the bank would take years to catch up on foreclosures and throw us out. The electric bill still had to be paid on time. Strangely half my housemates would disappear for a week or so whenever it was time to toss a few bucks in for the electric bill. Funny thing.