Honor your fans: Jon Favreau explains why The Mandalorian was such a hit with everyone
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The fact the show wasn't actively trying to destroy canon and classic characters went a long way with me. It respects the classic movies instead of pooping on them.
That's why i don't hate the prequels. Bad as they may or not be, they don't insult the fans for assassinate it's characters.
This is why so many of the fans want Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni in charge of Star Wars, it's not that they just understand how to write good stories, they know how to handle Star Wars specifically, they have exactly the right mindset when it comes to creating stories from a pre existing IP like Star Wars, unlike the directors we've been given in the past few years who don't actually care about Star Wars or the fans, and just want to write their own story and give it a Star Wars coat of paint.
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I have said it again and again.. Favreau should be the boss over at Lucas and they should kick out Kennedy. And Falony should be in charge of the Creative team and story director. Those two Get the fans (old and new) AND they know and respect the source material.. I mean Falony have been putting old legends back into canon since Rebels. And even then in the Clone Wars tv show he would often put in things from Legend sources.
Very well said.
I’m watching Clone Wars (Season 4 right now) and I gotta say, it’s some of the best Star Wars content I’ve seen in years. Filoni and Favreau know why the franchise is what it is. Filoni wants not only to honor the fans, but he wants to bring good messages to children (like George Lucas wanted) and Favreau understands the passion of Star Wars fans. That’s why Mandalorian season 1 was pretty good, because they know what is best for the IP.
Putting Jon Favreau in charge is like putting the loonies in charge of the asylum, Jon Favreau only works for Jon Favreau, he didnt give a fuck about Star Wars like he didnt give a fuck about Marvel, that why he sellout to the military to pay for Iron Man and Iron Man II, that why this movies either blame individuals in case of corporate corruption or the Russians, typical of Hollywood this days, and that was the model for the whole MCU, there is always someone to blame for the U. S. problems, if not Hydra, are the Kree, or they need a huge imperialistic power to counter balance Thanos.
John Favreau's words: not opinion, not lies, just cold-hard facts.
People used to say that about JJ Abrams.
And a good paycheck by the Pentagon and not even kidding about that part. You even wonder why in the first Iron Man they put all the blame about corporate corruption on Obadiah? Or why they blamed the Russian in the second? Funny thing is, that Disney followed the same plot model for the rest of the MCU movies.
It's important for a franchise like Star Wars to get new fans, but not at the expense of the old fans.
And Jon Favreau has demonstrated that this is achievable.
I think you’re going about this too simplistically. The new Star Wars movies have generally had a better grasp on their target audience than their counterparts in franchises like Alien, Terminator, and RoboCop, and the sequel trilogy out grossed the prequel trilogy even adjusted for inflation. Surely they did SOMETHING right.
Maybe it’s easy for me to say since most of my real-life friends and people I hang out around online like The Last Jedi. I just kind of disliked the movie without feeling to strongly about it either way because I’m not really into Star Wars or newer movies.
@@LinkMarioSamus Its because of the Marketing that the New Trilogy as grossed more than the OG or Prequels.
Also the new trilogy came out AFTER and Surfing on the OG and Prequels "Success" and Reputation, and it was Hyped the ever loving fuck out of it.
You can see by the numbers tho, that it doesn't last once the audiences Eyes where opened and the Hype died out;
Ep 7 gross over 2 Billions, Ep 8 a bit over 1 Billion, Ep 9 barely 480 Millions$...
The Difference here is that for Ep 7 they fed people with nearly ALL the Nostalgia induced shots they could fit in the trailers, Nostalgia is a POWERFULL sentiment and tool for the marketing to uss.
Doesn't change that Ep 7 was a dissapointement for nearly EVERYONE of the old Fandom, cause its bland as fuck, but people would say that it was a new begining and that Disney still needed to find their mark with the new movies and the franchise, so people gave them the benefice of the doubt.
Thats why Ep8 still grossed 1 Billion and a half, but, people where mor septical and less forgiving, and the fact that Rian Jonhson , that pig headed buffon, systematicly destroyed EVERY SINGLE PLOT HOOK JarJar Abrhams put in Ep7, made the movie a fucking mess, with useless plots and useless characters that has no substance outside been plot devices and dumb expository machines.
This was the point where poeple noticed that Disney had no fucking clue of what to do with the franchise, cause why have such a BAd Ep8 when you had Rogue One before that was a success and that people liked?
And lets not forget about Solo who bombed so spectacularly,that Disney simply canceled any other "Star Wars Stories" Movies projects they had in the making...
By the time we reach Ep9, the Nostalgia as died out, the Hype is no where to be seen, litteraly no one with 10 braincells gives a flying fuck about Ep9, only 480 Millions$, it is a lot, but the movie costed something like 345 millions $ to make and had an additional 100 Millions$ in marketing and ads campaigns.
The movie barely made its cost back.
And by that time the Fandom who has been faithfull and supported the Saga for the last 40 years with their money, their sweat and their passion, even if there was kinda of a division with the prequels, but theyr still was the Star Wars fandom.
With the new trilogy, there was a real Breakage, between Disney and the franchise fans, and the "new" fans that Disney and Kathleen Kenedy "the Force is Female" Politics brought in, bunch of parasite that can only talk in Political agenda's and will NEVER be satisfied by anything, those that the "Wokeness" is strong with, to the point where they're trying to chase out the Real Fan base that supported it all for years, because of bullshit like "Toxic fandom" and "Bigoted Masculinity".
Something that Kathleen and Disney is to blame for, when they did that mini animated series that redo the whole of the OG trilogy, but somehow its Leai who does EVERYTHING, while the male cast is a bunch of bumbling idiots who can't get on their own feets..., it was not about the franchise or the fans, it was about Pandering and Wokeness.
Disney tried to appeal to a crowd that 8 years ago did not gave a flying fuck about Star Wars.
They tried to rile in people who openly mocked Star Wars and the fans 10 years ago as "Nerds", but then suddenly because they twitted how the new SW movies are brave and courageous for having a female lead and "stick it to the patriarchy", they are Star Wars fans?
And don't start me on the Reylo "fans", that are litteraly harrasing the actors so that they leave their companions IRL to be with each other, with people stalking them...
The Old Fan base was, what it was, but the New "fans" that Disney brought in , are all kind of crazies in a bottle...
Well that’s really just important for any franchise
@@LinkMarioSamus How can you compare the prequel box office to the sequels? The worlds population is higher (much more people in developing areas) and ticket price is higher. The sequel films were a financial and creative failure.
The picture of apples and oranges is more appealing than the sequel trology.
And delicious, I like Apples 🍎
Oranges are my favorite
🍎 🍏 and 🍊 🍊
I'm gonna do some role play here: NO! hOw CouLd YOu sAy That. THE SEQUELS WERE THE BEST THING EVEWR MADE! YoU sToOpiD ToXic fAnS HaTe StrOnG WomEn! AppLeS anD OraNgES aRe GroSs!
Squids & Octopi would be better than the sequel trilogy.
*waves hand*
"This is the show we are looking for."
Kathleen Kennedy: No, it's not!
This is the show that we been looking for
Move along, move along
The Mandalorian feels like a true sequel to the ot, whereas the actual sequel trilogy feels like a cheap knock off
@Darth Cameron I'm terms of Disney stories it feels like a sequel. For me though it will always be the heir to the Empire story as the true continuation
Sequels are closer to a expensive, poorly written fan fiction
@Darth Cameron as the Big Lebowski once said, "that's like your opinion, man" I like what I like. I enjoy the NJO story but it's a bit long for my liking
@Darth Cameron The sequel trilogy, be it made by Lucas or Disney or anyone, should've never been called 7 8 and 9, because that story was finished. You can tell the continuing stories of Luke Leia and Han, but you cant honestly call them 7 8 and 9.
@Darth Cameron The story of Anakin's rise, fall and redemption was finished. Like I said, there can always be more stories set after the saga, but the saga was finished.
As the video says You can do both: Honor the fanbase and bring new younger fans. Respect the past and expand from that legacy. That's the recipe of a successful franchise.
Yeah the 3 best star wars materials have done this. Mandalorian, Clone Wars, and Lego Star Wars the Complete Saga
I NEVER understood why doing something like this would be “impossible” for many people. I still remember people saying that Ghostbuster 2016 was good and it was never meant to the original fans. Why things like Super Mario and Legend of Zelda pleases a lot of older fans while bringing new fans? Because these have quality.
In movies department, I can say that Rogue One and Clone Wars are good examples of pleasing both sides. I have friends who aren’t Star Wars fans that really enjoyed Rogue One, while Clone Wars was probably the first Star Wars experience for many kids and teenagers nowadays.
Quiro the sad part is if you tell good stories that old fans like without getting overly wrapped up in lore and continuity new fans will show up. That’s what marvel has done for the past decade to great success.
Miguel Taguchi rouge one is my favorite movie of the disney era by far. The space battle alone is better than the space scenes in all the other movies.
I've better idea. Create something completely new. If you're famous, people would watch it. I'm tired of sequels and reboots. I don't want something revolutionary and groundbreaking, just refreshing original IP
I'm all for taking chances but it has to be done by someone that actually knows what they are doing. Walking across a busy road with a blindfold on is also taking chances, but it's not a very good idea.
This is the way.
Shrek has spoken
The main reason I liked Mandalorian was because it took place in the same universe, but went into something almost entirely unexplored in Movies&TV shows, the thing most fans are familiar with, including myself. It felt fun to see a new side, something not really "oh no big war"
Also, I agree with you Thor, the fact that this statement had to be made is just further proof of how far Disney Star Wars has strayed from the path.
Mandalorian was a hit because
-it was actually good
-doesnt spread political messages
-respects fans
-has nothing to do with kathleen kennedy!
TESTIFY BROTHA
@@theflashb6857 relax hes joking
I think
God Almighty hol up
@@smokejensin1662 wait there's a trial?
@God Almighty was that you trying to be racist or sexist?
I kind of feel like younger fans can become core fans, because I’m 15 and know as much Star Wars and love it as much as anyone
same here bro
Way to go, pal.
Did you start with the prequels, OT, or sequel trilogy?
Clone Wars
OT
So favreau said respect the fans and make content that will appeal to them and this seems like it would be a surprise to disney
I’m not a hard-headed fan. I’m a quality-minded fan.
Much respect: he did this without badmouthing KK in the process. A true professional.
The "piece" missing from the sequel trilogy you were talking about is that it pretended that the OT didnt happen, we assumed that the First Order was a remnant of the empire but we still had questions noone can really explain such as: How did Snoke get into power, how did the first order not only CREATE starkiller base how did they get the resources to create it undetected, all that was just from episode 7, all that undermining could have been fixed in episode 8 but as far as I'm aware they were never touched upon again.
No one involved had any answers to begin with. JJ and Kasdan were just throwing sh!t at the wall to see what would stick, and then they were like "Alright Im outta here, here's a few BS ideas, you can take em or leave em Rian."
@@IndyDefense You are my Star Wars spirit animal, it appears.
IndyDefense
Yup! That’s how I felt watching it.
In this comment I was focusing primarily on TFA as the cracks started to show on TLJ as far as I'm aware, JJ could have had a plan but was shafted by Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson. I dont believe JJ set that all up and didnt have an idea at what episode 8 was going to be. All of the questions above were probably going to be answered but JJ might've just wanted to just hook us in from the nostalgia instead of boring us with politics like in episode 1, but because he was at episode 9 he couldnt answer all of the old questions because he had to push forward.
@@Zadka233
Why didn't Abrams work on Episode 8-if just as a co-screenwriter?
What a mess we ended up with!
I think Stan Lee summed it up perfectly when he said "Write each comic like it is someones first."
Comments like that is WHY I say Favreau should be in charge of Lucasfilm overall with Falony as creative lead.
Imagine if a pizza place decided that the no longer wanted pizza lovers to enjoy their food. That restaurant probably wouldn’t last long. Especially if the new food wasn’t liked very much. That’s the sequel trilogy.
TRANSLATION: "This is how it's done, Kathleen."
one thing that I think that helped The Mandalorian a lot is how its western-in-space style jives well with the state of a Galaxy, which only superpower was just defeated. it kinda feels chaotic & many remnants of the Empire are (thought to) be everywhere
I remember when last Jedi came out and a girl in work was talking about it on her break and I said how bad it was, how awful this new Star Wars is. She totally flipped out on me saying her dad wouldnt let her not like star wars. Called me not a real fan, I'm part of the problem and just toxic. Should have seen her face when the rise of Skywalker came out. Didn't say a word to me then...
That's rough buddy
I must be in the extreme minority, because I liked both movies. TFA was the one that sucked for me.
@@IndyDefense I liked the first and with hindsight the other two while still awful story/plot wise have the odd good scene.
Same happened with a friend of mine. Kept saying shit about how tlj was the best star Wars movie ever. And then tros came out
Yo wait I’m confused. Why did she not say a word to you? Did she think that movie was worse or something?
The reason why the sequels don't feel like Star Wars is that they are not Star Wars. Lucas had it planned, but they made up their own story with pre-existing characters. And that it the definition of a fanfiction.
I don't think he actually had anything planned. His original ideas for sequels were incorporated into Return of the Jedi. That story, the story of Anakin and Luke, was finished. Lucas went around up until 2012 swearing up and down that there would never be a 7, 8 and 9, but then magically he had stories to give Disney? I think he just made up a bunch of BS and handed it to Disney to increase the value of his company.
This explains why i can describe the final film as, "The best and worst fan fiction i have ever seen." That was my reaction leaving the theatre.
@@IndyDefense No, lucas had things planned out. But usually they were only very specific things, like plot points of where he wanted the story or certain characters to go.
And he always viewed all of those points as flexible. Simply because they had to be in order to sell it to hollyweird.
You can see elements of the final product, and even some elements of the prequels, in some of the earliest drafts.
So yes, he had a plan.
But it was never anything 100% final.
What he also did, was sit down with a team of writers. Concerning episodes 5 and 6.
4 was mostly him and like 2 other people i think. It was really a low budget inde film. George never expected it to go anywhere, because fox and other companies were damned convinced they could barely sell it. But he kept at it, and eventually released something.
Which caught the attention of so many, that to this day, it remains popular. And perhaps, 100 years from now, it may still be remembered as mid 21st century storytelling.
@@IndyDefense Ah this comment was about lucas's sequels.
Yeah I'm not really sure just how much he had planed out for that.
He could have made up a bunch of shit as you suggest, but maybe he just never told anyone he was working on it. Because he didn't want any expectations at all. Then when he sold it to disney, he was disappointed they didn't use it. We may never know.
@@mr_h831 Right, but I was referring to the sequel trilogy. Any genuine ideas he had were consolidated into ROTJ back in 1983. Whatever he gave to Disney was just something he made up recently.
I can't wait for The Mandalorian Season 2, This is the way.
I always thought that to keep the enthusiasm of the old fans up is what draws the curiosity of new fans . And telling a good story helps also
No EU or OT character was harmed during the making of the Mandalorian, as it stands Han and Leia could still have 3 kids in this version if that's what you want.
As long as it's not forced into ST territory it should have a long life.
I doubt it won't go into ST territory, it's still set in canon universe
Because Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau understand SW
No they do not.
They don't. They just don't misunderstand it to the same degree as everyone else.
@@vetarlittorf1807 Filoni literally worked under George and Favreau used the same inspirations as George...
@@goodmind4940 So? He still doesn't understand SW well. And quit the pretentious "he's George's apprentice" bs. Lots of people worked for Lucas and Lucas has produced countless projects. There's nothing special about Filoni. Other than his inability to comprehend thematic depth.
If Filoni understood a Star Wars then why did he mess up General Grevious, Asajj Ventress and Quinlan Vos and why did he break Star Wars with the whole time travel thing just to bring back his precious Ahsoka?
Star Wars is a handmedown. It doesn’t actually need a huge push of new content to garner new fans. There are so many old fans that will do the work for Disney because of their love for the original trilogy. So, as long as they create decent content, they’ll do very well. The generation that came before can be respected and pleased simultaneously. They’re the foot soldiers, bringing in a new wave of young people. Like I did with my nieces and nephew. They all love it now because we all watched it together and they enjoyed every minute of it. The new content isn’t really the hook. It helps though. When it’s GOOD Star Wars.
Fab should have K Kennedy's job.... End of.....
I have spoken
I’d have to admit I enjoyed the SW spoof “Spaceballs” more than I enjoyed the sequels, which is a real shame
SW sequels: quest for more money
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It was good for the reason many classic films are good. It got the basics right. The directing was really good. It kept you guessing sometimes. It was written well. The production was great. They got all the fundamentals right. And then on top of that, they treated a Star Wars property in a way that everybody can love. In a way that felt like it was made by fans, for the fans.
Rebel:Your highness we have received a transmition from Jon Favreau, What is it they have sent us?
Princess Leia:Hope
The Mandalorian needs to be the touchstone for all Star Wars going forward. Make it look great, make it new (with throwbacks (easter eggs) to the original trilogy), make it FEEL like Star Wars.
I completely agree with Jon Faverau’s take on how to take on a Legacy property. You analysis was Brilliant as well. This is nothing more or less than we would expect from any other business. As with any other business, when expectations are not met, sales plummet. Take the auto industry. Mercedes bought Chrysler. The expectation of the market was Mercedes would elevate Chrysler. What happened instead was Mercedes quality suffered and their sales, as well as Chrysler’s fabled minivans suffered. Mercedes has to sell Chrysler at a huge loss and is still struggling to regain its luster.
Jon Favreau is the perfect person to take over the reigns of Star Wars. He O.G. Fan and he learned from his Marvel experience how to massage to demanding needs of the market place and fans into a blockbuster, not always perfect, but on the whole juggernaut of a franchise that has enthralled audiences for nearly 20 years‼️
One secret ingredient is love. Telling stories in already beloved universe is a lot about seeing why it's beloved and loving it yourself. Put the time in, put the respect in and the money will make itself
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The Mandalorian, Originals, Prequels and Clone wars+Rebels are only for the true hardcore fans, whereas the sequels are for the casual/fake fans. All the polls and opinions show that, so it must be true.
And Jedi Fallen Order
Uuuuh.
I don't agree with the term, "fake" fan. As far as im concerned, if you like starwars, you're a fan. Casual or not.
There are no, "real" and, "fake" fans. If you and i like starwars, we are both fans.
That's the way i see it.
And also, i don't think They're for hardcore fans. Even casuals enjoy the mandlorain. Heck my sister is obsessed with baby yoda memes.
They're for anyone willing to take the time to watch them. With or without the extra context.
Mr_H i think he means more the people that really REALLY fundamentally respect and understand the depth of storytelling Star Wars has, and the ones who care if future content has that same depth, that same heart and soul that sparked the original trilogy.
“All the opinions show that, so it must be true.” You really did not put any thought into that statement
As a 50 y.o. fan I greatly appreciate your commentary. I love the Mandolorian, can't stomach the movies handled by KK. I just hope they get back on track before I hit 60. Keep up the good work dude.
I'm afraid we'll be dead when they will get back on track
Political messages in Starwars wouldn't be an issue if it actually served a purpose and made the narrative in overall any better. Unfortunately, in TLJ and TROS it makes the narrative in overall convoluted and messy. In general the entire trilogy should have been written and set in stone before the production of TFA.
7:50
Cough cough Rian Johnson cough cough
Sorry I had something selfish and egotistical stuck in my throat
Dam I hate it when that happens
BURN!!!
As much as I’d love for Favreau to become head of LucasFilm, I don’t believe it’ll happen. I don’t think it’ll happen because unlike KK, or other people in power in Hollywood, he doesn’t have a hyper progressive agenda to push. Instead he strives to please old fans while drawing new ones in, which, while effective, doesn’t push an agenda onto people.
For love of god stop stating its progressive agenda.......it is superficial liberals....progressives are literally being shit on by liberal rights now. ALOT of progressives also dislike the sequels because of the way they go about shit. Corporate Wokeness is heavily criticized by leftists. Art always has some sort of messages, the difference is when it is fake vs organic.
Come on, Favreau has just done a simple show and he's new in all of this. How is he going to do that?
@@BladeValant546 Sadly this is a false distinction to some degree. A lot of what you may call "liberals" present themselves as "progressives" or "leftist". Example being many supported when all of these corporations went 100% corporate wokeness and had BLM squares on Twitter acting like it would do anything. A lot of self proclaimed "Progressives" cheered this on while folks like who (who I consider to have more authentic values) were in the small minority complaining of the corporate wokeness and how fake it was. Hate to say it but the Progressive movement has long been co-opted.
@@LDub01031994 It has been co-opted for sure you will have no argument from me, however, that co-op has been seen with increasingly strong resistance. It is unseen because people are trapped within their social spheres or limited news. It is shrinking quite considerably at least for now. It doesn't help that chuds make things worse. The influence of Wokescolds are heavily exaggerated nowadays.
This is often predicated on the commodification of movements, aka taken over and used to make money while doing nothing. It is more about their actions than what they call themselves, or else you will be surprised that North Korea isn't a democracy or a republic, and buffalo wings are not made from buffalo.
I am so hyped for mando season 2. I hope we get to eventually see Luke. It would be so cool to see him on screen a little bit after rotj.
How,Mark Hamill is old now and I don’t think they would try to get a different actor
NamelessWeeb They recast Han Solo with a younger actor so it can be an option.
Sebastian Stan? I saw a picture and he really does look like a younger Mark Hamil
AJ0125 wow that’s actually a really good thought. That would be interesting. Although I think if they were to do it it would be de-aging. They did it in the rise of skywalker. So they can do it in mando.
I don’t understand it when people say that companies shouldn’t pander. Why not? It’s actually the bet business decision you could make. If the customers are happy then you will make more money. Give us what we want and we will pay you. It’s simple.
I even got friends and family who never cared for, or watched a single star wars movie. So hyped for the Mandolorian. He did q damn good job.
The best part of the Mandalorian for me is that while it may not be focused on the main Star Wars crew, it still feels like Star Wars and it feels like something that's actually happening in the galaxy far far away that we normally wouldn't see.
The fact that it seems that the attitude at Lucasfilm was not like the one favreau described is indeed worrisome.
Your channel keeps Star Wars in my mind. I appreciate this, as now it’s easier to forget I love these stories, after my disappointment in the sequels. Much appreciated.
The sequel trilogy and R1 was my wife's first real introduction to Star Wars. She was nonplussed.
After watching the Mandalorian, she became interested in earlier Star Wars and wanted to see the original trilogy and find out what the series that my friends and I love is all about.
Another great discussion, thanks Thor. I think the reason why the Mandalorian feels more 'Star Warsy' is because the fan service bits, the call-backs, and references are, for the most part, subtle and in the background. Or they're introduced in an organic way, they're 'just there'. They look lived in, just as they did in the OT. As opposed to the ST, where they slap us in the face with forced fan service.
Rian Johnson wrote the Last Jedi screenplay well before the Force Awakens was released, so it is just mostly Johnson being Johnson, not due to reaction to TFA. There was some rewrites in early 2016 but this was done to reduce crazy amount of set pieces. Original screenplay had 160 set pieces, early 2016 rewrites reduced them to 125, so it was about simplifying to keep in schedule and cut costs.
“The original script had about 160 sets in it, a ridiculous amount of sets. I didn’t say that to Rian, because I figured on something this big he’ll find that out on his own. It’s a 100-day shooting schedule,” he explained to THR. “So there’s more than one set a day you have to prepare for.”
I was always impressed that comic books have to explain what is going on in each issue--not just the character, but the continuing story. There is always a first-time reader.
Let's just look at it like this. Here you with a movie or show and you want to bring in existing and adding new fans.
You could go by way of "Battlestar Galactica" by reimagining product . Which is what they did with good storytelling and visual quality.
Old fans knew the story and new fans liked the story which the imagineers were happy to give all. Success for the consumer of the product and for the profit of going forward. Everyone is pleased and somewhat confident that this will continue. After all "BS" went on several more years as a series.
Dude seems pretty based. Better than many they could have chose to help run things
I was overwhelmed by how underwhelming it was. Love it!
Spot on Thor! If they don't care about the fans, I dont care to pay to go see their movies or buy it on vod . $$$ would drop
I think a good analogy would be ordering and paying filet mignon but receiving tofu. “Well at least you still got food” doesn’t cut it as it’s not what I paid for and not what I wanted
This man really put a up picture of apple's and oranges 😂. Long time fan, great work Thor
This show reminded me of firefly. Was sad it only had one season. I’m glad that the mandalorian did so well.
There is an official season two coming soon!
Spot on! I couldn't agree more. Also, that car mechanic story almost exactly happened to me as told by you.
Yes Indeed , Honour the Die Hard Fans while pulling in New Ones! We agreed Gareth Edwards , Ron Howard & Jon Favreau are the worthy successors to George Lucas to pilot the STARWARS Universe ahead with their STARWARS DNA in their bloods ... Thor Skywalker , your photos & narration of this episodes are Awesome! Thank You So Much for the Efforts & for Sharing! Stay Safe & May the Good Force be with You always! 🌍♥️🌷🕊🕯
The sequels always felt like they were being shot inside of Disney theme parks with cast members. Like the sets and the costumes were always pristine, even when they were on a "dirty" planet, and it always looked superficial. The Mandalorian gets back to the dirty, gritty world that made Star Wars unique.
It doesn't make SW unique, prequels have pristine stuff and it still works fine
Whenever I hear anybody bring up "it's for kids" or "It's meant for a younger target audience" I kinda have to cringe, because I don't believe us grown ups give children as much credit as they are due... I know I'm usually very guilty of that, but my prime example are shows like those in the DCAU, Batman the Animated Series, Superman the Animated Series, Static Shock etc. they're all kids shows that were relatively colorful, and friendly to children but had many mature themes that were great for re-watching when kids grew up and could still enjoy the shows so many years later. Many newer kids shows don't give them that credit, and it's kinda depressing.
Even Walt Disney knew kids were smarter than people gave them credit for. That’s why his movies were written for families and never just children.
you nailed it. Jon Favreau told an story that was new and fresh it was a step in the right direction. it was Star wars
Filoni and Favreau will save Star Wars.
Change my mind.
You've nailed it here. And Season 2 only continued to prove every word of this video, exponentially.
Can't believe it's a revolutionary statement to say you should listen to your fans.
Completely agree with JF. There's is absolutely room for creativity and new things in Star Wars. But this universe is 40+ years old. New content still has to fit, it still has to feel like it
Movies and television are a product for the consumer. At the end of the day it needs to cater to the majority of consumers. In this case, the fanbase is the group that keeps, and has kept Star Wars afloat for the last 40+ years.
The differences in how the ST and the Mandalorian treat major Star Wars themes is informative. The ST kind of bats us over the head with them, while in the Mandalorian, they're woven into the lives and journeys of individual characters in a way that's meaningful and poignant. There's hope because a hardened bounty hunter with a rough past makes a choice to be compassionate and realizes he wants to be a better person. And family is integral to his culture. It means that no matter where you come from, now you belong and you back each other up when in need. That's his and the Child's relationship in a nutshell.
In the ST you hear the word "hope" thrown around a lot, but I feel like there's not enough of a journey for the characters to go through to find it. Then you have Rey trying to figure out who her parents are. But by the end, she still defines herself more by the name she takes than by her relationships with anyone. There was supposed to be meaning in her taking the name, but it's still not clear to me WHO she is. It's not explained WHY she had personal reasons for being attracted to the dark or light sides of the Force, beyond inherited predispositions or just the fact that the hero is supposed to end up on the light side. Maybe I'm missing something, but after 3 films, it ought to be clear.
Heck, the Child has no known name, and Din's wasn't revealed until ep. 8. But we can already clearly see that they're headed in some direction and have personal reasons for struggling between the light and dark in themselves. For instance, the time the Child taps into the dark side is because he's scared for his Mando dad! That's a reflection of why Anakin, Luke, etc. were in danger of falling. They were scared for people they loved. But then it was love that saved them from the dark side. And it's going to save the Child and Din. Can't wait to see more!
Good vid. A little lengthy. But you made me realize this show brings back something A New Hope brought decades ago; mystery, adventure, the mentor/mentee relationship, and... hope. I was disappointed with the sequels because I they completely disregarded the mentor relationship which is one of the main draws. Parents took their children, in part, for that reason and it was completely abandoned. Looks like, with Mando and The Child (and the appearance of Ahsoka) they're bringing that back. I hope.
I feel like, briefly, Kuiil was kind of a mentor to Din, helped him see some things differently.
This is the way!
It has yet ceased to amaze me that this needs to be explained. Once upon a time, this was common logic.
Mandalorian: Made from scratch with all fresh ingredtents Star Wars. Sequel Trilogy: Pasteurized processed imitation Star Wars made from artificial ingredients.
We should be grateful that a giant conglomerate spent a fortune and made mistakes along the way to which the their target demo reacted to negatively....Spot on analysis. That being said, spot on analysis.
He’s 100% correct
What really made me a Star Wars fan is KOTOR, Jedi Academy, SWTOR. And Jedi Fallen Order as well as the Mandalorian and also still SWTOR keep me a Star Wars fan.
Funny fact the Mando is still in it's infancy, i don't even think ot was over the top or anything but it proved beyond doubts give the fans a decent product that respects the fans and it works. Shocking right? Now if only someone noticed that years ago.
This. Exactly this. Sure the sequels brought in new fans but at the expense of the old ones and we see that with Solo's flop at the box office. Not because it was a bad movie, but because fans hated the movie that came before it. Had Episodes VII and VIII been better and built on what came before, then Solo would have done better and the fanbase wouldn't be so divided. Episode IX should have been competing with Endgame for highest grossing film, not trying to win its audience back. If you lose as many fans as you bring in then you've failed. You haven't built up your audience, you've only created negativity.
The question a creator needs to ask themselves when working within a pre-existing universe is whether the fans will show up as they usually do no matter what will either be pleased and see it again and talk about it and spread the word that it is good or if the fanbase will be disappointed or angry and not see the movie multiple times and talk to anyone who will listen that it was bad.
The irony is that I don't feel like the Sequel trilogy was made for the next generation in the first place. The prequels were, arguably too much perhaps, but the sequels on the other hand, don't. The Force Awakens feels like its made for those original fans who were disappointed with the prequels, to the point that it was entirely unoriginal. The Last Jedi on the other hand, certainly attempted to broaden the Star Wars fanbase, but it doesn't really feel like it was made to capture the 12-year olds of today. Rather, it feels like it was made for people from those previous generations who had heard about Star Wars, but never really been all that interested. It´s not the Star Wars movie for the original fans or for the next generation. It's the Star Wars movie for bloggers and soccer moms. And finally, Rise of Skywalker feels like it was made in a desperate attempt to please everyone, but failed miserably.
Each movie tried to appeal to different people, but none of them really went all in on capturing that next generation which will sustain Star Wars for another 40 years.
And they failed on the grown level too because the Star Wars toys aren't selling, young kids are often wearing Marvel-based merchandise, and many young kids simply aren't Star Wars fans or have a reason to care for it really.
I remember when i was 5 and started looking at prequels stuff, i was 12 yrs old when the sequels came out: i had already seen the prequels in not so legal ways, and i i did Enjoy 'em, when i exited the cinema after TFA i was a lil disappointed, after seeing TLJ and TROS i was more than disappointed, palpatine had the worst plan i had ever seen, especially when compeared to his prequel version: a brilliant sith who took the galaxy with his magnificient plan; make into a dead body who would have died anyway if someone did not fight him. Revealed his plan like a foolish, totally ruined his characther. Then i got Disney+ and watched the OT
Agreed but Rogue One is really good though
@@darthvader6845 Oh I agree with you there. In fact I think that most of Star Wars under Disney has been pretty good. Rogue One, the Mandalorian, Clone Wars S7, Jedi Fallen Order, Rebels, even Solo. But the Sequel Trilogy, and Resistance included, is a giant ball and chain. There are however, two trends I have noticed. One, the more Kathleen Kennedy gets involved, or the more she praises something in public before it has come out, the worse it is. And two, anything involving Dave Filoni turns to gold.
@@LDub01031994 That is one of the main adversaries of the SW Franchise: Marvel.
Disney’s thought : hmm let’s try make a new formula
JJ Abraham’s : Did someone say remake a new hope?
Well, it also happens that Favreau and Filoni KNOW THE SOURCE MATERIAL well, something you would have a very hard time to say the same about the people that developed the ST.
Part of using new characters is that there isn't any need to ensure they remain faithful to the original.
Ultimately the original trilogy was about the characters with the empire as the background.
So if you make it less about the stakes and more about the characters it's a return to form.
I didn't want something new and different what I wanted was something that felt like I was reconnecting with an old friend I hadn't spoken to in nearly 20 years. The kind of friend where even though you've not seen them in a while you settle straight back into it.
The Mandalorian explored the Galaxy and answered questions the 6 movies I-VI could not answer while telling an original story thats also what SW Legends does for example Darth Plagueis, Thrawn's trilogy and no one is complaining that there is no source material they create it while following the "rules" that were set by the Original trilogy
I havent heard anybody else discuss this, but for me the sequel trilogy didn't feel believable. The locations of the planets in TLJ and some places in TFA and ROS felt too earthy to me. With the Mandalorian it felt like I was looking at another planet, another culture and a vast variety of races and different beliefs. The sequels felt like a fan movie (with a good budget) but lacked direction. For me personally The Mandalorian is the sequel 'movies' that should have happened. A whole new adventure with little ties to the old movies. The movies after 6 don't feel like its a continuation but an argument between directors on what should be happening. Even the clone wars and rebels had a more fleshed out and in depth understanding of what star wars really is.
One of the first things that stuck out to me after watching the first episode of the Mandalorion, was the attention to detail to everything.
That's when I knew that the people who made this show loved Star Wars.
@@dallasclark5533 exactly how I felt, where as the TFA on the planet where Rey meets Maz it looks like somewhere on earth, if you watch it again, look at the forest area, it looks like any old woods, where as if you watch episode 6 the forest moon of endor literally looks and feels like a completely different planet. Same with starkiller base (possibly illum) it doesn't feel like a genuine place, but Hoth does in episode 5. The frozen planet the mando is on in episode one feels like a genuine place, but the planet Rey meets Luke feels like earth. I think that's the problem, it doesn't feel real.
@@randomer246 That's what make Avatar so good, IMO. The Naavi homeworld is a very believable place on the screen, and is totally alien and unlike anything we've seen before.
I think that Mr. Favreau's thoughts seem to be what Star Wars needs and may his attitude live long and prosper.
This whole time I couldn't figure out why I disliked the sequels so much but yet loved the Mandalorian so much. This video has given me the epiphany that summarises it in one line:
_The Mandalorian feels like Star Wars. The sequels do not._
This doesn't explain "why"
@@goodmind4940 the video does though, I don't need to.
I wasn't a big Star Wars fan, mostly indifferent about it. Oh boy The Mandalorian did change it for me tho.... I absolutely loved it
Funny enough I was rewatching the mandalorian last night. I was rewatching the prison break episode and it was really badass.
Love Jon! He understands. Its like the books, the eu at least, they have different tones and ideas but they all feel like Star Wars. You can tell the author knows the characters and relationships, the political atmosphere, the technology...etc. and if the author didn't know they get help from Lucasfilm or other authors, the way it should be!
Not dumping on the Canon books but I've only read one so I just can't speak on them
I agree, the Mandalorian actually feels like an addition to the original 6 movies, unlike the sequels.
Jon resurrected superhero movies, and now he's resurrected Star Wars.
I wonder what's next for him.
If your product is good it will pull in new fans no matter what, to change it is to get rid of old fans for different ones not new ones. The story, the lore, the hero's journey is as much star wars as the force.
I'm pretty sure you nailed this one.
The sequels feel more like Marvel movies than Star Wars and then the director of the movie that started the MCU actually creates content that feels like Star Wars.
Ironic
We want new stories, but including new characters in old themes. The original six had so many strains of 1) responsible adulthood to better the world around you and 2) parent/child relations. Those themes have fascinated people all the way back to Galahad and Oedipus, they will be relevant as long as we are human. It's only when these beliefs are tested by opponents that you discover the mettle of the heroes. The ST rejected the importance of those themes which is why they don't feel like Star Wars.
In this TV show, we are back to the evergreen topic of father and child. In the first six movies Anakin was the child, but changed and became the villain to hurt his children. (even in CW hand drawn, he was still more child. but in the 08 series he shifted until he would his once beloved little sister as enemy in Rebels) That's why the CW feels as authentic as the core six.
The best, most meaningful drama hinges on things everyone can empathize with, even if we've never waved plasma swords or piloted through asteroids. We all have families of some kind, and we all have impersonal or cruel forces that try to mess with us due to greed.
YES, THANK YOU!!!!!!