George Lucas finally tells us what “The Whills” really are
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Episode 7: Whill Power
Episode 8: Fire at Whill
Episode 9: The Whill of the People
Starring whill Ferrell?
Soundtrack by whill i am
Episode 10: Whill you marry me?
Where there’s a whill, there’s a way
Whill Smith as The Fresh Whill of Bel-Air
The Whills' attempt on my life has left me scarred...and deformed.
But I assure you the midichlorians resolve has never been stronger!
You get a staphylococcus infection or something?
Imagine if Tolkien wanted to write Silmarillion and fans would whine "oh nooo stop explaining everything1!!"
Ikr
They still want to know what Tom Bombadil is...
The Whillmarillion
Tolkien did say that LOTR was a sequel to The Silmarillion.
@@ViaVirtus my money is on him being God lol.
George Lucas: it's impossible to control the cosmic force.
Disney: Hi guys, so this is Rey...
EU Luke and Mara Jade:*ignites lightsabers with malicious intent*
A dark figure appears, proceeds to ignite a red lightsaber: And Meesa...Darth Jar Binks
@Sam Guevenne aha, I haven't heard of that yet, but she still would need training to be able to use all that force. Embarrassing character.
One of the best examples I'd say is Aang and his Avatar state. Love that series! :D
@Sam Guevenne Rey was purposely girl power Disney Princess maRey Sue as a Kathlene Kennedy Isekai piece.
@Optimus Prime Do you mean the Midichlorians?
This is something that would totally belong in Star Wars. Like it or not, you can tell George put a lot of thought into this new lore and it expands what he created and sounds way better than Luke abandoning his friends and Palpatine's granddaughter being the bestest evar for...reasons.
Yup that’s what I feel about it
I mean, if you dig into all the old stuff Lucas has said about this Luke still did abandon everyone.
@@uberness77 yeah but it would’ve been executed differently though
@@uberness77 Fair point but I still I don't think Lucas' version would had Luke dicking around on a planet for 30 years while the dark side was taking over again. He would have restarted the Jedi Order finding those few Jedi remaning.
Tell me, would you be okay with this Whills/Midichlorians thing if it was introduced by Disney?
Maybe I’m saying this because I was 12 years old when I first saw “The Phantom Menace”. But honestly, I was very interested in many of the concepts that Lucas introduced in Ep 1. I was very interested in what the midichlorians were about. I also wanted to learn more about the “trials” of the Jedi and what they were.
I believe the Whills + midichlorians are a perfect example of just how big the imagination of Lucas was. I can imagine that the Whills might have had something to do with convincing Anakin to turn to the dark side, and maybe even something to do with the Clone Wars and the fall of the Jedi order. It would have been interesting to see how it could have played out in the prequels.
Yup, agreed he would’ve tied everything together. Also I’ve heard he got ESB director on the project too so there’s that
I never bumped into midichlorians and never understood why it bothered people so much. Of course there would be a biological common denominator in why some people excel at the force and some don't. A lot of top tier athletes have great genetics, why would it be any different with something like this?
so the Whills would have nudged Anakin towards the dark side so he could explore his full potential, and thus they would have more Force to feed on? That could work but then the Whills would be some sort of parasitic being
@@Yarblocosifilitico I think it’s this they created Anakin so he can create more balance the Force would be stronger and the Whills can feed on it. Lucas did say they feed on the Force.
@@skywalkerorder2170 yeah that makes sense. So they're neutral entities that just want the Force to be as balanced as possible so that its use is widespread. But why do they need the Force being used instead of just feeding on it? Do the Whills dwell in living beings, or are they out there in the Universe, like neutrinos or something?
Either way, much more interesting than what we got from Disney...
I never had a problem with midichlorians. If certain families and bloodlines were stronger with the Force, you would think there needs to be something with genetics.
At least Lucas' ideas make sense, unlike all this bullshit we're given in Disney sequels, so yeah probably he would get soem backlash from them but at least integrity and rules of the universe owuld remain intact, which is the main issue of Disney sequels, thye shattered these completely
If the other way around happened, you would be bashing the Lucas idea
@@splashnskillz37 Maybe, but at least it could have some value to the overall story like Prequels did, even if they got a lot of bashing, instead of Sequels tryign to be soft reboot, even if branded as continuation of story
@@LilithLonelyHeart Idk, hard to believe, i saw progression overall with the sequels we got, but it was late at TROS, but there was, and there was things in TLJ but it felt too supermagical
@@splashnskillz37 that's the main issue really, sequels felt more like an attempt on soft reboot more than a genuine continuation of the story, the progression we got was mostly by the expense of the integrity of the previous story
@@LilithLonelyHeart Well at least there a way out for the saga to return to glory, it didn't END the franchise like Lucas's story would
I’m so glad I randomly found your channel a couple months ago Thor. Your videos are always great!
You have so many videos to watch! I recommend the ones on the nature of Balance and the Force itself.
Welcome, friend.
"A surprise to be sure but a welcome one"
Uff, I envy you right now, you have soooo much great past content to catch up on. This is my favorite SW channel.
Easily my favorite SW channel.
I've always liked Midichlorians. How does it "destroy" the idea of the force when you know how it works?!
I think it gives it even more depth. Now it's not just people waving with their arms and make things move, it is people learn how to be in a relationship with other beings and making things move! Love it! :D
Agreed. Real STAR WARS fans would have loved this.
Agreed some people just like a really simple idea or magic while some people like more complex and layered stuff
This is the opinion of most who grew up with the prequels. It really is just those who grew up with the original trilogy that had a problem with midichlorians.
@@stevennagy6341 Yup not everyone but most of the people who grew up with the OT didn’t accept the idea of the Force evolving into something other than simple magic
@@NotMySTARWARS Real star wars fans should UNDERSTAND the stuff Lucas put out, they don't have to like specifically, they just need to understand that it's apart of the lore
At this moment, I don't have any issues with Midichlorians at all.
After Rey "Space Jesus" Skywalker just reviving everyone from death without any kind of training or explanation, midichlorians are legit.
Yeah Midichlorians keep a balance to things basically it tells you your Force potential and how powerful you’ll become if you work at it
Midichlorians have Reys on it’s cells
@@skywalkerorder2170 So do the midichlorians create the Force or do they just have a symbiotic relationship with it? Because here Thor seems to be saying the midichlorians create the Force on behalf of the Whills but I thought midichlorians simply had a symbiotic relationship with the Force and that the Whills create the Force. I'm just really confused on which does what.
@@Rathadude No I believe that’s a huge misconception Midichlorians to my knowledge work with the Force and help us communicate to it. Without Midichlorians life forms couldn’t do that. It is not the Force itself. That was a misconception which was spread by RUclipsrs back when TPM came out
@@Rathadude I think the Whills create the Force but they also feed on it and use it to help themselves.
Lucas had those very fleshed out, almost scientific-sounding ideas about midichlorians and whills, but it doesn't necessarily mean they would dominate the story in his version of sequels.
Exactly. And I think the scientific aspect of the force would`ve deepened the story, so to speak, and made it more grounded (which imo is good).
In all fairnes, how would you know that? You're just assuming that he wouldn't have the whills be a big part of his story.
@@Ismail-db1vj The explanation of the midichlorians in TPM didn't dominate the story there. He is just saying that bc he wanted to explore it more doesn't mean that would be the whole sequel trilogy
NO! He EXPLICITLY said it WOULD dominate HIS st. LOL Where do get that from?
It’s sad to think that the Mortis arc and Yoda meeting the Whills in the Clone Wars is the extent of what we got out of this side of the franchise, when it was originally supposed to be the beginning. Despite how strange some of Lucas’ concepts may seem, I’d still prefer it to what we got.
So the Force priestesses were the Whills then?
@@Rathadude Yeah, I guess so. So technically Filoni contracted something there maybe?
@@skywalkerorder2170 I don't think they were Whills, maybe some agents of them or manifestation in Yoda's ideas
@@goodmind4940 Ah ok well then who knows then it seems like Filoni skipped the Whills in that case
@@skywalkerorder2170 yeah, we could speculate that actually both Mortis and Force Priestesses are somehow manifestations of intellect of Whills, Father said stuff like this "We can take many forms. The shapes we embody are merely
a reflection of the life force around us."
Being somebody with a degree in biology who is also religious, I don’t think George’s ideas sound too scientific, but more on the nose with the way life works in my opinion. When studying evolution, and looking at things like symbiosis, there is a truly mystical or spiritual feeling I get from observing the delicate balance of life and how special it is that we are alive in this universe. I think George Lucas captures this perfectly in Star Wars, especially with this concept he thought of. I don’t feel like expanding on the symbiosis/microbes idea necessarily takes away from the mysticism of the force.
Maybe this would have been bad but the idea sounds really interesting. I would love to see it in some shape of form getting explored. And it sounds far better then trying to redue the Original Trilogy again
Unlike the Sequels, at least the concept of The Whills is original.
Am I the only one who thinks it doesn't make any sense and makes the light side and the dark side of the force even more muddled and confused?
@@keegobricks9734 It makes it alien, which is the key thing, I guess. Beyond mortal concepts of good and evil, or rather, that is subjective to them, mostly.
@@keegobricks9734 So the dark side is self destructive but enforces your personal force to obey your command quickly. It is an inefficient fuel source that pollutes the greater force and corrupts your physical body and force energies.
The light side can yield the same command outcomes but it is harder to master as it requires greater openness to the whills of the force, finer control in channeling and focusing non corupting force energies from within and outside. It does not corrupt the force and can only utilise the greater force if the whills are aligned with the user. In George's star wars the force is in balance only if there are no dark side users as otherwise the greater force is perverted by the dark side.
So more midichlorians means you have greater force sensitivity and a more powerful engine. But you have to train to utilize the greater force without going against the whills which pollutes the force and corrupts yourself.
Dark Side trains you to pollute the force with your will and corrupts your personal force. This requires more intensity and feeling, it creates a dark side nexus when long term darkside has been used in an area.
The Jedi lost their sight in the Prequal Trillogy because the dark side was stationed under their nose for a long period polluting and clouding the greater force whilst growing powerful. This means the Sith were giving off imense pollution of dark side power during the prequal trillogy as it polluted the Galaxy to a point it clouded the Jedi's vision.
EU/Legends
Typhon had moons that were light side and dark side nexus but the planet was force neutral until the Jed'ai force wars which resulted in the Jedi light side users banishing the dark side users who found a darkside nexus planet of Sith(Species) Koriban. The banished Jedi became living gods to the Sith and performed dark side powered alchemy to breed with them and create through Eugenics the first Sith who would war with the republic. See Tales of the Jedi, KoToR1/2, and SWTOR.
After the above time frame there were other wars but the loss of so many Sith at the time of Darth Bane must have cleared the force enough for the Jedi to believe there was no clouding of the greater force. This later clouding shows how strong the last of the Banite Sith must have been to cloud the greater force.
I hope this helps with your understanding. If anyone disagrees with my interpretation I am open to review.
I literally have no idea why people hated the concept of midichlorians so much. George is a much underestimated thinker and these ideas sound fascinating. I would say his brain is very nearly as big as Rian Johnson's ego.
The size of Starkiller Base?
Its those Original Trilogy purists. They ruin everything. They are a pain in the ass just like the Sequel fans. So uncivilized.
Because it takes the mystery out of it. It turns it from fantasy to science fiction. I'd been hearing about the endosymbiont theory for years, and hearing all these stories about how people thought it was such a woo-woo crazy idea (when in fact by the late 90s it was pretty well-accepted) and then I go see The Phantom Menace and there it is: not something mysterious or even interesting, but a bona-fide biological theory that is a lot less shocking or interesting than Yoda or Obi-Wan Kenobi. Plus the name midichlorians sounds too much like mitochondria. It was a bit on-the-nose.
@@hiranmaydas4921 never a truer statement
@@hiranmaydas4921 sequel fans are the most humble people you’ll ever meet lmao
I've never had an issue with midiclorians
And I find it funny that the current trend in fantasy is to dive deep into the scientific of the world and magic.
But somehow it's problematic to barely touch on it in Star Wars.
To make a body of work coherent you have to have a structure underneath. You don't to clue the audience in but it does need to be there.
Mystery is just weather or not the audience and to some extent the character know what's up.
Star Wars (especially in the time of the republic) is one of the only fantasies with advanced enough technology to start investigating things like the midiclorians.
Just as we investigate I think the story would be lacking if they didn't investigate microbiology.
The individual relationship with the force hasn't changed the science is just there for the people who do care (and if modern fantasy trends are to believed a lot of us care right now).
I've always looked at it as the spiritual side of the force being how Obi Wan and Yoda describe it to Luke. But I always thought there had to be some underlying thing that fuels the magic system that the characters just didn't know about it.
Turns out they did know about it and it just wasn't important to Luke's half of the Story.
I'm glad they knew cause the technology is there if the didn't know it would create a cognitive dissonance in the story.
And yeah Star Wars is 100% fantasy not scifi. It has scifi trappings but it's not a scifi.
Yup exactly I just feel everyone used to be biased when this stuff appeared in Star Wars and the exact same thing happened in other films.
Finally somebody said it!
Another example would be the series Star Trek Discovery. Did you watch it?
They invented this new displacement-activated spore drive and it is pretty much the same principle, where microscopic living beings connect everything through which they can travel.
How stupid would it sound if they'd just say "Hey, we invented this cool new drive which is better than everything else and we easily defeat everyone now."
Everyone would want it to be explained! And it's the same with the force.
Personally, I think midichlorians and atomic force cells don't break the universe, but I think it's an unnecessary look under the hood that explains too much by being too specific for the main stream public. It doesn't break my view of the Force, because I can work around it to accommodate it, but there seems to be a lot of other people out there that doesn't want to be told the specifics of "how faith powers work". Perhaps if midichlorians had been introduced more vaguely, like saying some Jedi scholars believe there is a relationship between them and the force, but that it hasn't been proven yet, that could have been enough for the people who don't like the idea to be able to say "I don't believe in midicholorian counters". If someone wants a detailed explanation of how the laws of physics interact with the Force, this should be something presented as a hypothesis in a book, on a random shelf, inside a game, which later would be added to Wookieepedia, for any fan to see, and not as an exposition dump in a blockbuster, answering something that no one asked for the entire world.
Honestly, this shouldn't be the most important thing about the story. How the Force works should be second to the conflict of the characters and the story being told, what is it's message.
@@pedrolanna1551 very interesting. I don't feel like it's been a great deal in the movies. And honestly I think it doesn't make a big difference. The result is still the same: you can lift stuff.
I actually love how he combines science and the divine. Cause when you think about it, they are one and the same thing. Like Thor says in the MCU; magic is just really advanced science.
The universe is math, so of course there's an explanation. And if you are into science and even psychedelics you can sorta see the connection and understand how it fits together. Everything is conciousness/the force and we are all a part of it. The universe is one organism experiencing itself ...from different points of views ;)
As a user of psychedelics i have come to love and understand Star Wars even more as an adult.
Have you tried any psychedelics, Thor?
Mannnnn this is exactly how I felt. It's really upsetting that I don't get to see how this all worked out. One of the best days i've ever had was when I got trippy and watched like 10 hours of Star Wars movies and shows. I know exactly what you mean and completely agree.
Wow this is some Alan Watts level of enlightenment right here...
I have concluded that existence comes as both physical and spiritual together. Existence or the universe doesn't have a begining or end. Matter doesn't get destroyed but only changes form, thus it is eternal. And consciousness in of itself totally negates the possibility of non-existence in which we can never truly fathom pure nothingness and thus something can never come from nothingness but rather it is always there. Ultimately matter and consciousness are both eternal which makes up the divine duality of the Ying and Yang, the form and the formless which are both classified as existing things, and when they are combined together as one, they are Existence itself. We are the universe experiencing itself.
In turn George Lucas has made a world that adheres to that very concept. The midichlorians are the physical conduit for the manifestation of force powers while the cosmic force is consciousness itself or the will. Together, they are the Force itself. Midichlorians in of itself have to be physical or "scientific" per say because the so call powers that the jedi generates adheres to the principles of causality, like force push, pull, lightning and even the mindtrick has an effect on the person's physical brain in order for one to be affected by it. It is basically the science of cause and effect in which anything that happens in the physical realm can only be affected by only something physical in nature. This is the reasoning that we are symbionts of nature, of the physical world, that laws doesn't exist without a cause in nature. The midichlorians basically aids the user to perform extraordinary feats that manipulates physical things. It is the anomaly in the physical realm which comes out as the force powers we see. The cosmic force on the other hand is the consciousness, our thoughts, desires, imagination, knowledge, logic ect. The consciousness directs the physical part, our body to do the things that we want to do, like running, talking, thinking but it doesn't directly affect the physical in a way that we can just imagine things into existence out of thin air and that's why it is imperative that the midichlorians have to be the proxy or conduit for force powers. When utilised together with the midichlorians, the force user will finally be able to discover and wield the abilities that it has to offer.
Sorry for the long rant, your comment inspired me to share what's on my mind with regards to midichlorians and spirituality. And I truly agree with all that you've said here. You are one enlightened soul. Not many fans can appreciate the rational behind midichlorians, I feel that they are blatantly ignorant to how mysticism works with regards to science.
Did you just changed your profile picture bro? It's Alan Watts now haha! 👍
Sounds like The Egg by Andy Weir
@@VerdantJedi Dude you explained that incredibly! Sorry i didn't see your comment before. And yes i changed my pic to Alan Watts 😂
I'm not a huge fan of midicholorians, but the thing is that this is GEORGE'S story. If he wants midicholorians, he can have them and whatever he says goes..
THIS. if he had Darth Vader make Lando put on pink tutu and ride a unicycle, then thats that and its canon...Its his canvas, he can paint whatever he wants.
This is how everybody should think about it! I 100% agree!!
I don't care whos story it is. If I don't like something, I'm not gonna say 'oh well, it's his story'.
I like to believe that midichlorians are part of the fall of the Jedi order. They weren't listening to the force like Qui-Gon.
That's not the attitude that the fanbase had from 1999 to 2012.
I would have been absolutely happy with all this, especially after the Whills’ episode of Clone Wars. Imagine that on a grander scale all while Maul (the best character imo) and Talon gather power and fight Luke and his new Jedi Order...idk all this is right up my alley though, I get other opinions
I hope one day we get a book from a very scientific minded person who can adapt these ideas.
A book because it’s there if you want it but if you don’t, it doesn’t matter if you aren’t interested in it
Yup exactly
If you mean the Force Priestess' episodes, there is no indication they are Whills in canon and the novel From a Certain Point of View released few years back suggests the Whills are not them given the content of the story they appear in.
@@Spartan-343 Hmmm that’s interesting then, I guess Filoni hasn’t contracted anything about the Whills after all then. Who knows Filoni and Faverau may try this idea out in the future but if the majority of the fandom still hates it even if it was supposed to tie everything together unfortunately I think they would ignore it instead of expanding on it and the Story.
@@skywalkerorder2170 Filoni's idea of the Force Priestesses is that they are actually a single being who long ago died and learned how to become a Force Spirit and eventually split herself into her different aspects.
As for trying these ideas from GL out later, I don't think they will nor do they have the authority to. They have to adhere to Dinsey's vision/wishes on matters of what goes into SW canon now if Disney so wish to get involved.
Personally I think we dodged a bullet with this (not that I think what we got is much better) as imagine how the casual movie viewers would look at this (which would 99& of the audience) would react to these scientific/microbiotic stuff. They''d be confused as heck or like WTF?. I imagine most of the hardcore/lore wouldn't like these ideas either.
@@Spartan-343 I think if it was explained in a good way allowed the mythical stuff, while also giving what people who want to see the Force expanded want. Then I think it could possibly work for everyone then. It’s a low chance but I really think it could work if Filoni and Faverau work at it.
This sounds so interesting and creative. Yeah, it takes away more mystery but if we never found out we'd always be wondering. At least we know and in a way where people can ignore it if they want.
Exactly I don’t need everything to be a mystery to having a mix of both sounds really interesting and awesome
Agreed, if it's explained new levels of mystical magic elements and deeper layers, it's more interesting
@@darthtroller yup, I get that the Force is supposed to be special but when I first saw it in the OT it just seemed like a slightly different a little advanced form of magic we normally see. The Force got interesting when things were adding to it like this, but then the Fandom whined about it so much it just got annoying and they made Lucas look like a crazy person which was just kind of mean to do honestly.
@@skywalkerorder2170 ikr, and he introduced the midichlorians greatly, he made it into an emotional bonding moment between Anakin and Qui-Gon which also happened to do massive world building
@@darthtroller Exactly
I'm gonna be honest, I was never really bothered by the midiclorians nor any of the alleged "science stuff" in this series. the PT had far more and worse problems than "tOo MuCh sCiEnCe iN mY SpAcE FaNTaSy"
Meanwhile the ST went too far in the other direction where nothing is explained at all and thus is (for me) unbelievably uninteresting.
same. I mean, it was clear that some people in the Star Wars universe were "strong with the force", and others were not. There had to be a reason for that, and the idea that you can tell how connected a being is to the force through some sort of physical anomaly isn't that far fetched.
@@darthknightwingphoenix2081 Yeah, I was just posting a comment about how there's always ways to explain things physically with science, but there's still a mysterious quality that's totally subjective and can't be properly explained. It's easier to focus on the biology than the mysticism.
Yeah, the sequels suck
I saw Star Wars when I was 16yrs old back in 1977 and I'm one who also has had no issues with Midiclorians... It surely makes more sense than what Disney has come up with! There are many reasons as to why Star Wars had endured success over the last 4 decades but sadly none of them are found in Lucasfilm under Disney!
I like it when there is a balance between explanation and mystery.
4:00 what i am hearing is that the midiclorian count can change.
"This one is strong in the force".
When you exercise regularly and lift weights mussel definition changes and your mass can increase. So to as you practice, concentrate, "the force flows through you" and you too can lift an Xwing, with your mind.
People get hung up on what they think rather then really listen to what Lucas is actually saying.
Of couse in a world where the force us real, there would be some technical device with a readout that can measure the concentration of that energy. Just like a doctor monitors your blood pressure. These people travel to planets and can destroy them as easily as we drive cars and launch nukes..
It would be MORE ABSURED if the Jedi at the height of their age didn't have a mechanical device to mesure the concentration of The Force in a living being. Also, the whole point was to show that the Jedi had become calcified in thier dogma and cold to Anakin...Even someone who was more intune with the living force was still subject to the idea of running blood scan to empirically prove what they feel the force is telling them.
Nuance.
That’s exactly what I thought Midichlorians did I can’t believe some people didn’t realize this until now
Athletes who train their bodies have more mitochondria in their cells than regular people. Midichlorians already exist in our reality.
@@FriendlyDarkwraith i didn't know that about mitochondria. I understand that, by comparing mitochondria between different ethnicities, we are able to figure out that everyone on earth alive today is related to each other going back some hundreads of thousands (millions?) Of years ago along our mothers ancestry. Geneticists call that collective ansestor "Mitochondrial Eve" not because she was "the first woman", but just the last woman to pass her dna unto all whom are alive today because the other womens lines had died out...We are all linked to each other like branches on a tree of life. Some large percentage of people can be traced to Genghis Khan raping a lot of women...
Its hard to say what percentage of anything is fate vs random chance i.e. luck be it good or bad. (Insert obligatory obi-wan and han solo banter here)
Being a story writer myself I’d like to know Lucas’ storylines whether fans like it or not, because it all started in his brain and to him those ideas are the one true Star Wars , which I can totally get behind
"When gone i am, the last of The Jedi, you will be" does not preclude other order 66 survivors. Being a Jedi means following a code, being a member of an organization. To get Religious for a minute, Jesus said to his followers "where there are two of you, there i will be also" or something to that affect. I take that to mean, in order to be a member of a church, you cant be in total isolation. Obi Wan communicated with Yoda on Degobah. We saw in rebels, that while some may walk the path of a jedi, as Ashoka clearly says to Vader "I am no Jedi". Luke became that New Hope, because he redemed the jedi of thier sin of hubris which allowed Anakin to loose his way and fall to the Darkside.
Post RotJ, I imagine Luke skywalking the Galaxy finding those lost souls who feel abanded by the force. He'll will remind them and teach them the true path of the Jedi once more. He will have passed on what he has learned in the sequel trilogy in my mind as jedi are as numerious and luminous as the stars where there is no more war...
God be with you
Jesus is the way
May the Sprit fill you
Long live great allegories. ;-)
Agreed! We missed a whole trilogy in between episode 6 and 7.
Great comment!!
Woah, that makes a ton of sense! God bless you as well
Gold star. You get it.
Yes it does
"When gone i am, the last of The Jedi, you will be" does not preclude other order 66 survivors.
Lucas just allowed in tons of plot holes and never cared about curing them. The PT actually ADDED plot holes for no reason.
Being a Prequel-generation kid (my first exposure to Star Wars was the Special Edition theatrical in 97, with TPM coming out in 99) I never had any problem with the Midichlorians. If anything, they reminded me of a JRPG (based on a novel) I was playing at the time, Parasite Eve. It was based on the Symbiogenesis theory, which postulates that, since they have their own distinct DNA, mitochondria were once free-form living creatures, before eventually forming a symbiotic relationship with cells. The novel revolves around sentient rogue mitochondria taking control of their host, assuming the name Eve, in a bid to give birth to an all-powerful ultimate being. They gave her crazy powers in the process, like causing other people to spontaneously combust by overloading their mitochondrial energy output (Dark Side, much?). The game is something of a spin-off, where the protagonist has to oppose Eve, and develops a symbiotic relationship with her own sentient mitochondria. Lucas' microbiotic sounds a lot like Parasite Eve but with midichlorians as a servant of the sentient Whills, rather than being sentient in themselves. The Lucas Sequel idea honestly amazing, and I would have loved to watch them.
In his S.T. i'm sure that Lucas was going to explain everything about the Force thru adventure (Maul/Talon vs Skywalker/Jedi) so this could be enjoyable from the casual fans.
The most interesting point is when he address Leia as the Chosen One which means she would kill the Sith Leader restoring balance in the Force, justifying Yoda's quote in ESB ''there is another one''
I don't know, but for me it always was: the more midiclorians you have the easier it is for you to learn how to use the force and the easier it is for you to do things with less training than others. Like Anakin doing things so much with ease that he constantly challenges himself even more to not be bored essentially, while Obi Wan had to train a lot to be able to keep up.
I think we agree but I will elaborate my view. A greater midichlorian count means your connection to the force is greater meaning communing with it is more intuitive than someone with a lower count. Also, after training a person with a greater count can still commune more easily and thus control the force in grandiose ways more easily
@@stevennagy6341 you have added to my point of view.
"It sounded more scientific than mystical"
Me, the only Star Wars fan who likes answers instead of magic: "Yes daddy Lucas, please give me the reasoning"
You are not the only one who likes to get answers in or about Star Wars man. Definetly better than "That's a story for another time" type shit.
@@n3gative466 It was more of a hyperbolic joke centered on the people that complain about midichlorians. It's probably because I'm a prequel baby but I loved getting insight into how the force works instead of it just being there.
@@Matt-dq5id Oh I didn't get it was a joke :) Anyway it's really nice to hear some new information about the lore from Lucas himself after all that time.
I think if George had been allowed to make the sequels and gone down the whole midichlorians + whills route, they would have been very wacky but I think with good people round him to keep him on track they would have been pretty fabulous. I prefer the idea of the Force being a spiritual power with some sort of controlling sentience, but I think that is still compatible with the microbiota stuff. Maybe the whills' collective consciousness is somehow unified in another dimension or something. George Lucas is the creator of the whole SW universe so he would have made sure it all linked together and made sense, though probably not in the way anyone expected! I feel the issue with the midichorians in the prequels was more that they were kind of thrown in as an aside and didn't have a clear need to be there, rather than them being a bad idea in and of themselves. I'm probably not making much sense here but I think it's fascinating.
Well Lucas did say he wanted to combine Scientific elements with mystic elements with the Whils and all that. After all Lucas did say that it’s still a mythological but it just has a few scientific elements to it, it doesn’t change the Force itself
It sounds like the Cosmic Force is still spiritual in nature. Its the Living Force that seems to be tied into the sciencey stuff.
@@awakenow7147 Yup exactly except for the fact we have these extremely powerful tiny creatures that can control aspects of the Force. Wouldn’t that be called Mythological?!
I like your thoughts. I'm thinking of the Whills as neurons that individually are trivial but trillions upon trillions could create that collective consciousness. The midichlorians unfortunately lessened the mystery but the Whills in that context could have made it a bridge to a larger mystery.
People when the prequels came out: damn midichlorians.. jar jar sucks...
People after witnessing the tragedy that is the disney sequel trilogy:
Damn wokeness... kathleen kennedy sucks...
Want to see the Lucas version..atleast want to read the story treatments... Disney can atleast release those
They wont
@Daniel Nehme they wanna shut him up forever
"The Whills" legitimately sounds like a really cool concept that definitely should have been used as the basis for the Sequels instead of what we got.
I guess we should be kinda grateful for not getting George´s ideas ruined and mishandled by KK, JJ and - god forbid - RJ. There´s still potential that those ideas will see the light of day in the future because Lucasfilm knows they messed up and the only way to make good money and satisfy fans is an SW-Universe based on the ideas of the maker himself. I have spoken.
Yup that’s true, while it may not be exactly his ideas they will hopefully get adapted eventually.
I feel like what we consider mystical or supernatural have scientific answers we just haven't discovered yet (or maybe forgotten). The midichlorians never bothered me because I knew Lucas was just giving a more scientific answer to the Force for the “more civilized age" setting of the prequels. Personally I'm fascinated with Lucas' explanations about how the Force works and would've loved to see some very talented filmmakers carry out his story.
Lucas creates phenomenal Star Wars movies. There is nothing more to it. Lucas makes Star Wars.
Lucas IS STAR WARS
Yep.
Other than TPM and AOTC, I agree
I’m gonna be honest here, I never understood the massive hate for midichlorians. I mean I understand how it can be a little confusing but it still kinda made sense to me. Some jedi are more natural gifted than others due to genetic factors, but others could get far with the effort they put in, just like regular people.
And as for the science complaint, Star Wars has had so many technological aspects within its world that I barely even noticed the whole magical aspect.
Seriously, spaceships, lasers, robots!
This is all stuff you’d expect to find in sci-fi. Even if it is a mythology, or a mystical fantasy, ya gotta admit it seems plenty science fiction too.
I’ve personally come to the idea that Star Wars is something of a hybrid of the 3. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s just how I see it.
Yeah I agree
I totally dig George Lucas's idea about the whills and think it's absolutely perfect. A perfect way to subvert expectations and a perfect way to ground Star Wars. A way to bring balance to the series.
Problem is that Star Wars is George Lucas. So it's his dream and his vision.
U don't like it then find your own casino. Cos it's how the story goes.
The misconception or ruse that a mystery is more interesting than the answers can only carry on fire so long before it falls apart. Any writer worth their salt knows that mystery demands payoff, questions demand answers. But the more elaborate and drawn out the mystery is, the more impatient fans will, and the more satisfying and grandiose the payoff must be. The How to Train Your Dragon franchise (spoilers), for example, monumentally flopped this with the simplistic explanation that Night Furies were hunted nearly to extinction in The Hidden World after building it up as something deeply mystical and complex over five seasons of television. Problem was, they didn't expect most theatergoers to have seen Race to the Edge, so what they wrote worked fine in the context of the movies, but left gaping plot holes and unanswered questions when the show is involved. What we have in the case of Star Wars is the longest-held mystery since the biblical Second Coming, so leaving it unanswered would be naive. Even Fate of the Jedi in Legends started to take a crack at making sense of all the pieces, moreso involving the Eternals. After this long, almost no answer could satisfy us as to the inner workings of The Force, but it would be foolish not to try
I actually agree with Lucas’s vision and his Force ideas but I will say whether you like them or not you have to except that Lucas did make them, and that this is his story not all of the fans. Sure fans can have their own head canon but people have to except this was apart of his story and tying everything together at least.
I absolutely agree with this I feel a few things should be a mystery but I just feel it’s more interesting to explain it this way. Plus it mixes mythical and scientific together so it should Appel to everyone right?!
They said the same things about his original film. That's why Lucas thought he would only be able to make the one movie but here we are. I think let the story teller do the story telling and then once it is all over see what the reaction is. At least it would have been something interesting and different and probably would have started a a whole new way of storytelling like he did with the Prequel trilogy and then we had all these origin stories being made down to the latest Joker movie or trilogy's in the first place. Let the guy do his thing maybe temper his ideas help him adjust a few things but overall let's let him work at what he has proven to do for decades.
Yeah, many ideas and stories have been influenced by this man and Star Wars. He clearly seems to think about things on a whole other level and after hearing about this it sounds so cool! A mix of mythical and scientific stuff that properly tied together in the story could work
If Disney has mad simply put someone like Filoni or Favreau in charge they would have done this story justice. It would have been a worthy addition to the Star Wars mythos and amazing end to the Skywalker saga, instead of the bad fan fiction that we got.
Also, Mail being the main villain, made perfect sense. The failed apprentice rising to become the master. Outlasting the likes of Sidious and Vader. A great character arc.
It isn’t too late. This can still happen if the demand is high enough. So demand it! It got us the final season of Clone Wars. It can sure as hell get us the real sequels.
I love the midichlorians and whills even more! It's even more mystical and philosophical. This give me a Frank Herbert's Dune feeling.
This... makes more sense to me.
It explains why Anakin turned so quickly to the dark side. Why the jedi had no idea Palpatine was the sith lord the entire time. And why jedi trained their entire lives couldn't defeat Vader, when his son could.
The Will guaranteed Palpatine succeeded and Vader survived until their use was expended.
The Will can be both a saving grace and the annihilators.
The force uses are just their meals
I'm fine with it being background information, like taking a reading off of Anakin and seeing it's high. Oh, okay. But I don't see how you tell a film trilogy about that.
@@goldfishprime I believe it would’ve tied everything together and would’ve clearly up a lot of stuff people got wrong from the prequels while adding new Lore that would’ve made all trilogies better
In a sense the Force is a cosmic horror of lovecraftian levels, it may seem benevolent but it truly is not.
@@TankHunter678 Yeah, and a trilogy which made that clear - or even just left it open to our interpretation - would have "subverted expectations" roughly as badly as Disney Wars did, imo. It would have kinda ruined everything.
@@TankHunter678 Ooo ok now this interests me in Lovecraftian Lore, because now I can see even more what Lucas was gonna do or go with it then?!
I would love it if Lucas just wrote a trilogy of novels with this storyline. Maybe with the help of other trusted EU writers to help with dialogue and other prose pitfalls. It’s like what Marc Laidlaw did with short Epistle 3. Even if Half-Life 3 wasn’t made, his story outline was told. Imagine what Lucas could do with a whole trilogy of novels.
the thing that i absolutely cannot wrap my mind around is the idea of Leia being the Chosen One. why would he craft such a beautiful redemption arc in Anakin just for it to be thrown away like that?
Yeah, maybe if all the Skywalkers were the Chosen Ones (Anakin, Padme, Luke, Leia, and their kids) that would've worked but not making Anakin the Chosen One makes his story feel pointless.
Leia wouldn't have been "the chosen one," per se, but rather the one chosen to carry on Anakin's legacy as a peacekeeper and the maintainer of balance.
I think he's just making it up at this point now. He went on for like a decade saying there is nothing after RotJ and he has no story... now he has Darth Maul and Leia as the leads? That or he's just publishing a collection of ideas he had over various weekends and putting them into books to sell.
Because Lucas (along with others of his circle) is a follower of the political trends in Hollywood. Since the trend is currently "strong women" must be the dominant focus of a story, Leia would be the easy candidate to move to that position.
It would be similar to the Han Shot First situation. Or Spielberg removing the guns in the revised version of ET, because guns are now a political Bad Thing (TM) in Hollywood (in spite of their continued prevalence), particularly in films aimed at younger audiences.
Despite the commonly repeated theory, there was never a real plan for all 9 parts at the same time. Lucas came up with the outlines for each trilogy as he decided to work on it, so his plans for the sequels would be heavily influenced by the more recent trends.
@@scrabdusanproductions2104 That doesn't make sense either. The OT ended with Luke taking on the task of honoring Anakin's sacrifice and maintain the balance he created.
Never forget : Star Wars happens in a fictionnal past. Put yourself in the place of a random human a few thousand (or even hundred) years back. What one calls "fictionnal science" and hates becomes more mystical suddenly. It becomes a process where only a few understand its logic. At times, it merges with religion or with philosophy and the same people that tries to explain the Universe often ask to not go too fast, to not try to look too deep in the abyss and to stay as grounded as possible. If George Lucas were to explain in too many details the ways of the "Cosmic Force", there would be an argument for "breaking our immersion", but since he makes the Jedis (his fictionnal scientifics/priests/philosophers) mostly study the "Personnal/Living Force" (while still ackowledging the existence of the "Cosmic Force"), he keeps a realistic and pleasant balance.
I watched your explanation of the midichlorians and it really cleared up somethings for me. That's where I would prefer it stayed, I love how Clone Wars and Rebels to a lesser extent built upon the Force while keeping it mysterious. I will admit that Lucas as peaked my curiosity, I don't like his idea but I can't help wanting to see what it would look like.
Assuming that people *would* have rejected this story on the basis of it being too "sciencey", I think it would have been entirely possible to reframe what the whills are while pretty much keeping the nature of their existence and their relationship to the force intact. For example, instead of being microscopic organisms that exist within peoples' cells, they could be spiritual entities that exist everywhere. They'd still create and feed on the force in a similar way as described, but with a more fantastic presentation.
Incidentally, one could crib a little from the shamans of Warcraft to explain the difference between Jedi and Sith: The Jedi work *with* the force/whills, requesting their usages of the force and being given it freely. Meanwhile, the Sith selfishly *command* the whills/force into doing their bidding, and their bodies end up degenerating due to the backlash of the whills resisting them.
"Thor, I told you it would come to this! I was right! The Whills' are taking over!"
As someone who never had a problem with the midichlorians, I think this idea sounds really awesome, & could've led to some great ways to definitively close the story. I'm always a big proponent of letting things end when they should, & a nice, tidy end to Star Wars as told by its original creator (while still leaving room for expanded stories like the old EU) would've been just what the franchise deserved.
I'm glad this idea never became cannon, because it gives a sense of futility to everything in my opinion. The ideas and appeal of Star Wars have always centered around the duel of morality-- in my eyes at least. Selfless verses selfish, heroinism verses corruption, etc. However, if this universe is truly run by microscopic organisms who only want the force to be in balance for the sake of life continuing for their own survival, that indicates that the "supreme beings" and entire purpose for any quest to combat the dark side is ultimately to serve the selfish goals of the Whills who have no care for any other living from in the galaxy. In my mind, all sense of heroinism and purpose would be undercut be a revelation such as this and I would cease to have any interest in this universe or desire to share it with anyone else.
Also, how low does Lucas think of humans if he considers microscopic cells to be the ultimate lifeforms? Whether you believe in human souls or the natural evolutionary process, it seems like rather backwards thinking.
Lucas fantasizes of a being a single celled organism flying around in his meteorite space ship.
I couldn't agree more. Well said!
That’s an interesting POV you have there but unfortunately I really disagree with it. I do respect it though
Without Whills or with them, Star Wars are 100% fatalistic. Force is literally a god who makes this repetitive cycle over and over. Kotor II actually opens this idea by Kreya and it is true. There is a dude who made 4 hour of content about this topic. This new revelation from Lucas only proves that this was the main idea all along. With the Whills, however it becomes too concretely so everyone will just consider them as main villains of the franchise and won't be able to take any other conflict in this universe seriously.
I think it could really be interesting, because it make the siths more complex than just power hungry villains, it make them tragic figures that wanted free will above all but ended up succumbing to their own weakness
Lucas' sequels sound like they would have been truly amazing. If the prequel trilogy was about the creation of life (Anakin/clone army) the original trilogy was about life/good vs evil. Then the sequels (George's version) would have been about the afterlife & the greater mysteries of the force. I think that they would have made up an incredible body of work and would have been the most unique movie series ever made. Too bad Disney made a mockery of the great man's work, and gave us an inferior version of the original trilogy, all because of the almighty dollar.
Lucas is brilliant. There is always more to the story.
A quote from Carl Gustav Jung (who inspired Campbell's Hero with a Thousand Faces, which in turn inspired Lucas):
"People don't have ideas. Ideas have people."
No matter how controversial introduction of the Whills would had been, it still would be better than what Disney has commited.
His further explanation about Midichlorians, Whills, etc. makes it sound more interesting and compelling, but I can also appreciate maintaining some mystery (e.g., I hope we don't learn too much about Yoda's home world in Mandalorian). It's almost as if the Midichlorian-Whills concept could have been a very interesting part of another unrelated story. But at the end of the day, I'm happier with Lucas's decisions whether I agree with them or not--I still think Luke and Leia should not be related, but I accept it--rather than Disney playing it too safe. Great video!
I feel like George Lucas should have full creative control over Star Wars. It’s his creation and he should be able to do whatever he wants with it
The problem with trying to do fantasy all the way down is that eventually you just run out of answers. You can't keep answering things mythologically. At some point, you have to either say "nobody can answer that question," or you have to make a stab at an actual realistic explanation. This is a great hybridization. It preserves the fundamental role of the force, while contextualizing it in a big symbiosis of all the life in the Star Wars galaxy. It doesn't reduce the Force to physics or anything like that. It tells us squarely what the role of the Force is - it's to show us, the big creatures, that we are a part of this world consisting of billions and billions of little creatures, and we all have to work together to keep balance in our personal ecosystem.
I would have preferred this interesting and original idea instead of the McD version we got.
I wish it comes to fruition in animation or CG some day
I actually like this explanation from Lucas, the details may be overwhelming but it's what it is. I honestly wish there was a type of Legendarium, or Simarillion for Star Wars
Honestly, I know this opinion is probably unpopular, I like to know that there’s an answer to the questions. It shows some thought was put into how the force works. Plus, making the force a part of you via midichlorians and saying that everyone has them to some extent makes the force seem less like a singular superpower belonging to one or just a few people. I hope this made sense and I know many people will disagree, but that is my opinion.
As someone who identifies as a mystic IRL and sees the physical and spiritual as one and the same, learning about the “micro-biotic” aspects of the Force, in my opinion, actually makes the Force even more fascinating and engaging.
The way I understand this concept, especially if it draws from Eastern traditions, is that the physical and spiritual are all “part” of the oneness. So the midichlorians and the Whills are spiritual because _everything_ is spiritual.
When Yoda said Luke was the last Jedi when he’s gone, it was entirely true. Leia had not trained to become a Jedi at that point. It’s not a race, it’s a title.
I can see how somebody on first glance could be perhaps turned off by the idea of the "science" of the Whills being threaded through Lucas' sequel trilogy. But the way I see it George Lucas has always been primarily focused on story and character. Though booed upon by many, George never spent much time in Phantom Menace bogging down the story with details about medichlorians. When it was spoken of it was used to move the story forward about Anakin while giving us a little more of a glimpse into the world of the environment of the force. I feel confident George would have done the same with the sequel trilogy had he made them. Still focusing on story, character and situation above all else while letting us in on more about the world of the force. He just needed to have a new "Gary Kurtz" around to help keep everything grounded for the audience.
Plot Twist: They are mini Jar Jars.
He truly was the key to all of this.
Lucas: Write that down. Write that down!
I actually really like the idea. I think the narrative is what matters here. He would really need the right director to showcase this idea.
Thor you're forgetting that in our continued search for the meaning of life we built C.E.R.N. The 'Large Hadron Collider' to helps us delve into the subatomic realm and discover what our 'reality' actually is. Lucas is yet again well ahead of his time, moving his story into the realm of tiny cells having all the answers. 'Science Fiction' simply doesn't exist without the 'science' part.
How much ridicule did George get when he first introduced 'Star Wars' and the mystical ideas of 'The Force'? Lucas was considered a laughing stock, to the extent that even those working on his first Star Wars movie were still unsure about it.
"...I sincerely hope that science and scientists differ from science fiction and its practitioners. Heaven help us if they don’t: We may be headed for a very boring world indeed...
O dull new world! We are treated to a galactic civil war, assorted heroes and villains, a princely maiden in distress, a splendid old man surviving from an extinct order of knights who possessed a mysterious power called “the Force,” and it is all as exciting as last year’s weather reports..." (J.Simon -New York Magazine, 1977)
Ignorant people might reject it perhaps, but that also depends on how it was executed. And Lucas never made Star Wars for the ignorant, he made it for people who think.
Whatever the sequel would become I personaly liked to watch GL story becaese this is HIS story from the begining and it must be finished in his way
I disagree with you Thor, I think George's vision for the Sequels sounds fascinating.
All the stuff about midichlorians and the Whills would probably only be part of the story, not the whole story itself. George is a genius storyteller and I for one would love to see it become reality.
I hope George buys Lucasfilm back and completes his opus.
I can still remember when fans weren't fond of the idea in Kevin J. Anderson's Jedi Academy trilogy of novels of the Empire having developed technology where a person could be equipped with a "Force detecting" backpack. Just run a couple of electronic paddles down a person's body (like the detector wands used at airport security), and a display on the backpack would show how strong the person was with the Force. Anderson wrote that the technology had been developed to help identify Jedi who were still in hiding from the Empire.
This was before the prequels gave us Midichlorians.
Now with the potential addition that the Whills are themselves single-cell organisms, the idea of a technological scanner would actually be even more realistic. It makes me wonder why the Jedi Council had to test Anakin with an ESP methodology, instead of just running a few medical tests. The more scientifically measurable the Force or its attending effects are, the harder it is to understand why the process of finding and identifying youngling candidates was always so limited.
Yup that probably makes sense
I assume the ESP test wasn't about whether he could use the Force or not (since the Midichlorians would've already revealed that), but more about his raw potential. Completely untrained, his ability to see shortly into the future and read minds was already significant, and that's what that test was all about (imo).
@@gw9155 Which would be fine, except it was established that a trained Jedi/Sith could sense the general power level and potential of another Force-sensitive or Force-user as part of their "presence". Qui-Gon was able to sense Anakin's strength of connection to the Force, which in combination with hearing of his piloting skills is what prompted him to do the blood test.
I can see that testing scene being more a examination of Anakin's personality and mental state as a stress test, but it was presented as being a test of ability in addition to Yoda's "How feel you?" line. I've never liked that they used that form of ESP methodology (it always reminds me of Venkman's testing at the beginning of Ghostbusters), since we never saw that kind of ability demonstrated elsewhere. Knowing the image on a hidden screen is not the same thing as precognitive reflexes or influencing the weak-minded. Perhaps it was done as some form of mind-reading, but if so it wasn't made clear.
@@JoRoq1 Yeah, it really depends on how you interpret the scene. Is Anakin able to visualize what's on the screen? Is he reading Windu's mind and seeing what he sees? Is it connected to future-vision in some way? We don't really know enough to know what the test was. Unless, like you said, it was more about getting him into a mind space where they could gauge his emotional reaction to the testing process, more than the test itself.
I like this logical "down to earth" approach. It's fun to think there are these little cells narrating things that the jedis really don't fully understand (I assume). They work for the "force" thinking that they have answers, when they are really working for this simple and natural cosmic balance of whills. There is something cheery in all this, like the jedis not being any wiser than common people, they are just in tune with the force, almost like assets for the whills, but for a good reason.
The scifi side was always the stronger and more obvious part of Star Wars anyway. I think the revelation of the whills would have ended everything in a calm and nurturing manner, knowing they will do their job now and in the future aswell. What force made the whills is the natural next question of course, so this revelation still leaves room for mystery I think. The last trilogy could have been a stage of revelation and deeper knowledge for the jedis and the audience, full of interesting new questions about the past occurences and what to really do with the sith.
Hopefully we will soon enough see this trilogy happening. Anything is possible.
I think this is a perfect balance between Mythical and scientific while not making it all about science, I love the idea of these intelligent beings that treat the Jedi and Sith as Pawns to feed off the Force. Maybe in the end Lucas’s new Jedi would realize that the Whils are controlling things and try to fight back against them somehow?!
@@skywalkerorder2170 Luke leaving his new Jedi order and exiling himself because he discovered that he's just a pawn of some greater cosmic force, and everything both he and his family endured was just a small part in some grand cosmic plan orchestrated by said force is a bit more credible than trying to kill his nephew because he had a bad dream.
There's even George's Sith history in this book, it's insane
I kinda think we dodged a bullet by not getting those sequels, but we got hit by a cannon shell with the sequels we got.
Here’s why I wanted Lucas’ sequels and why if Lucas’s sequels ended his story that it would’ve done better for the franchise.
I’ve heard the argument that it cheapens Star Wars to pull back the curtain and reveal the inner workings of the Force. And that if Lucas finished his story in the sequel trilogy like it sounds he would have, people would become disinterested.
I don’t buy that, or at the very least, I disagree with the people who would lose interest that way.
If a story has a beginning, middle, & end, that is a satisfying arc. If it drags on forever and is constantly showcasing more fantastical things, then eventually that becomes boring. The fantastical things and the story that hooked us originally start to mean nothing because “well that happens everywhere, all the time, & forever. Chosen One? Who cares, there’ll be another one or something better soon anyway.” They have to keep creating another more amazing thing to keep people hooked.
Personally, the example I look to is the show Breaking Bad. Great show. It was planned from the outset to be 5 seasons long. They were gonna wreck your world with one heavy-hitting, over-arching story with some subplots interweaved and then be done and leave you with it. Why? Cuz it cheapens the story to know that these same events are nothing special and that they’re gonna have to be outdone real soon.
The best thing that happened to Tolkien’s legendarium was either his death or his personal choice to stop writing, whichever came first. Even the cyclical events of his universe are now capped off for the most part and THAT makes for a well-rounded universe. A plan for how to make a story or mythology come full circle (beg, middle, end) is the best way to memorialize it. After that, you have to let it stand on its own merits.
After creating more and more and more content, you’ve still pulled back the curtain from a certain point of view. You’ve revealed that the inner workings just keep going on and on and on indefinitely. THAT to me is boring. The first glimmer of mystery and intrigue that got me hooked is now miles and miles behind narratively-speaking and there’s no end in sight. Pretty soon, I don’t care anymore. I’ve seen the end: it’s always on the horizon, unchanging. And the hills (instead of full-circle arcs) just keep getting higher just like the stakes it takes to keep people interested in yet ANOTHER installment.
Marvel needs to figure this out soon. I wouldn’t be surprised if their MCU has peaked. Maybe they’ve got one more set of Phases left in them, but they certainly can’t keep people hooked that long. It needs an end to give the mythology meaning. Otherwise, where you started means nothing.
Additionally, there is nothing more beautiful than to see what you’ve been working through come to fruition at the end. To look back and see how it all makes sense and comes together finally especially on a “microbiotic level.” You can’t beat that. Conversely, to hold that off forever and keep everything in mystery forever makes the mystery unanswerable. Therefore, why try? Narratively, that’s not a mystery anymore; it’s a pointless question without an answer. Like most of TFA’s mystery boxes.
Whill they find some new and interesting stories to write into the Star Wars universe because it didn’t narratively end with Lucas’ sequels, sure. But, each subsequent story down this long road will mean less and less the longer the audience has to keep asking “But where is this all going? Nowhere? Alright then I’m out.” At that point, It’s the same story over and over with no end and we just keep coming back to the same point at the end of each era.
THAT is a way to kill a franchise with greed, which is the path to the dark side. And we don’t want that, do we? Lol
That’s why I believe George Lucas’s finale to the Sequels would’ve been a great ending and would’ve solidified its real stamp on world history and culture (as the OT started). Instead, if they choose to keep going the way of Marvel indefinitely, we will watch Star Wars dribble out into oblivion-until no one cares anymore and they just stop making content cuz it’s not profitable. That’s not a fitting end to something as great as Star Wars, but I don’t trust Disney to care. They’re into making money, not history.
I really wish there had been more done with the “microbiotic realm” in secondary pieces of content (books or comics). I like George’s ideas because to me his ideas ARE the only canon, especially if they had their origins since the beginning. And SW wouldn’t exist except for its birth in his mind.
All that to say, I wish we would’ve gotten Lucas’ sequel trilogy. And if that were the end of major Star Wars content, so be it. We wouldn’t have to watch Star Wars plod off into the sunset, forgotten, bereft of meaning and weight, with no real following, and only a blip in the history of mankind when it had the potential to continue shaping culture as it once did.
I absolutely love and adore this take on the force. But who knows, maybe this vague revelation will inspire the next Geore Lucas type storyteller to create their own works of art 🤔
It's a conflict of story-driven people and worldbuilders.
As a worldbuilder myself I enjoy good explanations more than a sense of mistery, though both should be present to make a good overall story.
Thor, any chance we could see more from your second channel? I know that one is meant for more of your collecting side of things; maybe you could do a video every now and then, giving your thoughts on new figure releases and reveals?
Yes, I absolutely want to do more with the second channel really soon and get to the point where I make a couple videos a week for it (that focus on collecting, games and other more 'random' and fun stuff). I've just been putting a lot of focus on working on my version of the sequel trilogy, as well as some things going on in my personal life, which has led to things stalling out over there. Anyway, my apologies for that and I do hope to get things rolling over there soon.
As an economist I completely understand the need to have money flow. If a company can rake in enough money they they won't be able to mare more fun movies, especially at high budget status. That being said, there is a part of me that really wishes all story ideas (except those that are evil in nature) could just be made with the highest budget possible. Even it George Lucas's sequels were bad, I would love to just have them in all their glory, just to be able to know what it would have been like.
All in all it’s just pretty cool to actually know what the creator of Star Wars was thinking about the force. I’m really happy I learned it. My only gripe is Anakin not being the chosen one. That just doesn’t feel right to me.
I personally feel that this enriches the world so much!
I wish we got this instead of what we got.
I think one thing people have got to keep in mind when criticizing George for adding new ideas like Whills and midichlorians is that star wars has always been unique and "quirky" (for lack of a better word). Star wars was the first enormous Sci Fi movie, and that when it came out, it was real unique and quirky too! (A mystical energy field religion, dogs flying space ships?) No one understood it at the time. Becuase it's been going on since the 70's, so many movies after star wars have taken this "norm" for what a SciFi movie should be from the success of star wars: fast space ships, aliens on other planets, ppl w/ laser guns. We GOTTA remember, these ideas were once very unique and wierd at one point too, so the midichlorians and whills are realy no less unique, culture has just formulated this idea for what a SciFi movie should be, when really, SW was there first
The people who made the first Star Wars movie thought the whole thing was bonkers. Droids with personality, bizarre aliens, weird names being thrown about with mumbo jumbo terminology, wacky looking villains, to top it off with a wizard talking about strange energy thing call the force and you too it off with a walking dog thing. Nothing like Star Wars ever existed, or was ever tried and almost everyone involved found the whole concept so out there that it was never going to succeed, people would never get it. What they didn't realize because this thing was a so foreign, so out there that it got people's attention, it wowed people and it got them hooked. I think this is why the Prequels were so dramatically different. George wasn't going to rest on his laurels and that in order to captivate a new generation, a new audience for the next 20 years he would have to reinvent the wheel again. Introduce something new and exotic. I can say as a kid I wasn't too impressed by Storm Troopers and X-Wings because they were already well known and ubiquitous to the culture. Seeing more of that would have been mundane to me, but when I saw Battle Droids, these new exotic looking Jedi, Pod Racers, Gungans, Naboo Starfighters, fancy new duels it was new, it was modern, it was exciting, it was interesting. I wanted to know everything about this world. It wasn't your daddies Star Wars it was your Star Wars. A new adventure you could call your own. That's why aping the OT aesthetic was a huge mistake in my opinion. You needed to create a new Star Wars for a new generation. A distinct Star Wars they could call their own. A Star Wars with it's own unique identity and they were denied that because the Sequels were more interested in pleasing the old fans than creating new fans and captivating a new generation.
@@ShamanMcLamie so true
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This would have given lots more insight to what was introduced in the Prequels. It would have told us more about why Qui-Gon acts the way he does and how the Jedi and Sith operate as Force users.
this will be interesting
Lucas had a near death experience when he was younger. If you have ever listened to people who have experienced near death talk about it, many of the more mysterious parts of Star Wars very much resonate with the same type of things NDE’ers talk about, and all this stuff around the Whills has that same vibe.
The only time the answer is more exciting then mystery is when the answer itself is part mystery. As someone who has studied apirirual things my whole life, his grand ideas for Star Wars are amazing and point toward the greatest mystery of our living world.
I have no delusions concerning "the creator" and the fans. While most folks today seem to think that Lucas can do no wrong, I've seen differently when he actually gave us new Star Wars movies. I think a large portion of the fans would have been furious with Lucas' sequels, and at least now they can just focus all of their negativity on Kennedy and Disney instead. Over time, this too shall pass. Thankfully, we have LOTS of great new content coming at us, and I'm thrilled with where the franchise is headed.
They never ruined the force by having midichlorians anyway. All Qui Gon did was they that they are what makes life possible and that the more you have them, you more force potential you have. Never said they were the force, but that they speak to us and tell us the will of the force. It's not inconsistent either, because Obi Wan explained to Luke what the force is, which is an energy field. Luke didn't ask what midichlorians were or anything. It doesn't ruin the magic of it, because Jedi are wizards, but also use a lot of technology. They use spaceships, speeders, and lightsabers, which are technologically powered. They aren't enchanted weapons or anything.
I didn't have much problem with Midichlorians from the outset (although I was 9 when Ep. I came out). I always saw it as Midichlorians simply thrive and reproduce much more easily in beings that have a strong connection to the force, and so naturally their M-Count would be higher. Almost like an anti-cancer that feeds off of the force. Nothing too crazy at all.
yeah, feel like what you said "its nice to know what the writer had planned " I may or may not like some of it but its interesting to know non the less!😁
I really like this. I bet you that this was his idea from the start but didn’t have the technology to explain it visually
The mystery is oftentimes better or more intriguing than the actual answer is'.
So a mystery box?
How well did those work for the sequel trilogy?
I'm with Lucas on this one.
It is very true, what you say, that pulling the curtain on a mystery can often be disappointing to the audience. This is why you shouldn't do it UNLESS you hold a great, mind-blowing, fascinating, and ORIGINAL idea for the reveal. The kind of which, if you work very hard and are very lucky, you can hope to have but one in your entire lifetime.
And, oh boy, wasn't George's idea just that?
If you don't like midi-chlorians being the connection to/controllers of the Force (and them "talking" to Force-sensitives), if you think it de-mystifies the Force too much, there's a simple little bit of head canon you can use to make it more palatable: what if midi-chlorians were simply an INDICATOR of Force sensitivity and strength? They would occur in large numbers in one who was strong in the Force, and in low numbers of those who were weak in the Force. That is all. Just an indicator, no interaction or control between the two needed. The connection can even be poorly understood if you like.
Still better than Disney's ideas... Yea it sounds boring on paper but it is silly to think that nobody in the SW universe studied the force from the scientific perspective rather than from a faith-based one and it would be nice to explore it as long as it didn't dominate the movies, there's a balance he could have struck.
Well. I don't understand why people dislike the science part. Why do people like unexplained magic so much? Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, all that shit just happens. It's fantastic that Lucas take his time explaining his creation. The Force have always been the religious part of star wars and when the midichlorians first appeared we finally got some explanation to why people in this world believe in magic.
It's so boring that every fantasy franchise needs wizards or gods in order to be good.
I love the single celled organism concept because I'm fascinated by that stuff
I do not think I would like this in Star Wars, but it is a really cool and intriguing idea. I wish Lucas could write his sequels as a book trilogy so we could read it and decide for ourselves if it is good. What exactly is going on is still confusing, but it sounds almost like the whills are force sensitive protists and there are good ones who want to help/protect life, and bad ones who want to end life. These probably represent the light and dark side (now they have individual personalities, not good). I guess the dark side then might not be the person's will, but at least the dark side would still be a disease or infection.
Give me GL’s version of the sequels rather than the trash they gave us. It would have been a breath of fresh air.
I always saw medichlorians as a kind of force power bar. The more you have, the more potential you have. I personally enjoyed the explanation and would enjoy something similar. What i love about Star Wars is that everyone experiences it differently, so everyone has a different understanding and now with Legends and EU there is a form of the fans deciding their own canon, so I'll gladly add this to mine