George Lucas Explains why Luke Skywalker is Vader's Equal in Return of the Jedi
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- What if we could go back in time and watch George Lucas talk about the script to Return of the Jedi with his colleagues? In this video, I've put together the verbatim discussion between George Lucas, Kasdan, Marquand, and Kazanjian on Luke Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker, Darth Vader, Obi-Wan Kenobi and the meaning behind Luke's new green lightsaber. The contents of this are from The Making of Star Wars Return of the Jedi (awesome book).
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I really love how creative George Lucas was (and still is) throughout his time in the films
Yes
@Chosen One it’s cause he’s your son, Chosen One
If they're redoing the Sequels George should have some input at least
George Lucas is a talented story writer.
But his directing skills are average.
What made the original triology great was he had feedback from his editors.
In the prequels people were scared to challenge Lucas as he was THE Star Wars creator.
Lucas works well when working with people.
George Lucas is a genius story teller
Actually, they did use the one guys idea to "explain it in a line of dialogue later", when Vader is holding the green lightsaber, and says "I see you have constructed a new lightsaber. Your skills are complete. Indeed you are powerful as the Emperor has... etc...".
It's such a great scene, Vader maybe expressing a bit of fatherly pride while still trying to tempt him to the dark side. Crazy how I can play back that scene in my head 16 years after I saw it.
i was about to say that. i was sure i remembered correctly when vader was examining the sword on the bridge. glad someone also pointed that out!
@Ben McConnon
Right? Anakin was a prodigy, so the fact that his son was, too - proud papa moment.
@Ben McConnon That line is golden.
That was actually the perfect way to give out that bit of information. Because not only did that tell us where the lightsaber came from, it also showed that Vader suddenly realized the entirety of what this video discusses. He realizes Luke is powerful, and his equal, and is a true threat, and isn't just a kid carrying around his dad's old lightsaber. Luke has fully accepted the reality that Vader is his father, and yet Luke is going to follow his own path to the light side. Perhaps at that moment Vader believed Luke can actually destroy the emperor, and that is why he took him to the Emperor, believing that Luke could do what Vader could not, and he would finally be freed (dead or alive) from being a Sith.
Star Wars Theory should be a professor at the Jedi Temple on Coruscant.
He’s got the voice for it. He’d definitely have me captivated during lessons and also lulled to the point of a deep Force meditation.
Yeah instead we got Harloff Minor... meh.
HE should be the Keeper of the Holocron
That'd be cool, I bet if he were in the SW universe he'd be a force sensitive
@@Infernapalm and if not, a mandalorian possibly
I feel like the voice Hayden is doing isn’t necessarily monotone, it’s more cold with certain subtle fluctuations and verbal rolls that are very similar to James earl Jones. Which really makes it feel like that is for sure the guy in the suit. I also feel like it adds to the fact of how he’s transitioning into this man who’s lost everything and feels rage but also doesn’t wish to feel anything. He’s numb, he’s been brutally traumatized and he wants to FORGET his old life. He wants to make the galaxy believe that there is no Anakin Skywalker anymore. It also shows just how dark he’s become towards the events of revenge of the sith and I really honestly feel like these are subtle things in the way he portrays anakin/Vader that get so overlooked
You're doing the same "over-analyzation" that I did about 20 years ago. While I was 10 when the original movie came out, I too had a "rough childhood", and that gave me a lot of insight into Vader's character as it was revealed to us. I never "hated" the prequels... in fact, I saw through them in the way that many fans have come to do over time. But, given that I'm also an Aquarius, over-analyzation is a trait we tend to have. So, right place, right time, right astrological sign. I understand the story of Anakin Skywalker more than many people did originally, and while I think George Lucas himself may not have really understood the story, I think he was channeling the story the universe was telling him to give to us. Which is an amazing one.
@@IggyStardust1967 shut up signs are meaningless
Hayden's Anakin comes off as a very socially awkward type who has trouble regulating emotion. The monotone voice almost jives well with what you think of someone who has trouble connecting with others; however, by that same approach, when he did connect with someone, the connection was deep and intense, almost obsessive. From that regard, I use that as my headcannon for why the lines had some weird delivery.
TCW Anakin was much more of the "popular Jock" type of personality, and it really was out of sync with Hayden's Anakin. I thought the animated Clone Wars did a better job with Anakin, but more Star Wars is always better.
Dont remember the source. But I remember Hayden once mentioning that he based Anakin's speech on James Earl Jones' performance.
Ehh, Hayden needed to enunciate more clearly. JEJ has the delivery of a classically trained thespian, and Hayden just sounded like a depressed surfer.
Now this actually isn't to say that I think Hayden wasn't a good actor, or that he wasn't up to the task; I've always felt that it came down to 1, the terrible dialogue, and 2, poor directing, as he didn't need to sound more monotone, but he again really needed to enunciate.
I never had a problem with the way Anakin was portrayed. It always made me think of an emotionally stunted child soldier who grew up in war and born from slavery. I think in that context, his portrayal is perfect.
I wouldn't call it perfect... but it is fitting. his story in addition to the conflict between him and the Jedi mindset, as he is devoted to more than just the Ideology of the Jedi with his love for Padme, which is Diametrically opposed to the Jedi's belief that he should sever his connections, puts him in a place where his fall is believable. I actually saw the series chronologically the first time which made me non-Biased against the Prequels and I was able to appreciate the journey that Anakin takes. I like the prequels and their Idea for what they wanted to do... and I can even believe Anakin's portrayal to an extent but it is not without problems... I suppose the part that brings me out of it somewhat is Padme's Acceptance of his character as is portrayed. actually the scenes when they are working together are rather well done but Parts of their more Romantic scenes and certain discussions that they have are less believable. the famous "I hate Sand" is actually a good example because in context it is a meaningful juxtaposition of how their lives were so different but Anakin then acts creepy... and what I'd love to see is other scenes that show that somehow, Anakin does change... (at least on the surface) not that Padme is Ok with Anakin being Creepy or that she accepts him slaughtering the Tuskens. we could have had her trying to acknowledge his suffering and helping him, but devoid of that Anakin's portrayal leaves me questioning the Other Characters in the PT. I would call that a reasonable portrayal but with a somewhat flawed execution. I still really like the PT overall though and I think had the movies been made chronologically it wouldn't have angered people as much.
I think the problem arises when you look at the reactions to such an emotionally stunted child soldier. A senator from a socially just world falls in love with him? He has creative banter in TCW with his Padawan? His master sees him as wise and potentially great? It can't all coexist when all we see, especially after Lucas cut some of the most beautiful dialogue for a vague imagery of whinny sand, is this little shit head. No disrespect to Hayden. Good man, Great performance.
So no offense… in the only context that it can be taken as because that’s literally what they show us lmao
It would have been much easier for the audience if Anakin's behavior and speaking style started clearly changing from the chipper personality he had in Phantom Menace towards monotone Vader after his mom died. It just wasn't a believable portrayal of PTSD onset.
@@brized the problem isn’t that it wasn’t believable, the problem is that they missed some of the stuff that’s there, context to his PTSD and eventual turn, making it feel rushed when if you know what George wanted, it’s really really freaking amazing
I love that even Goarge still (as of 2004) still got goose bumps and emotional when the music kicks in when Luke briefly (at least according to one of the audio commentaries I listened to) succumbed to the dark side. I always love that Luke looked into the abyss, and decided "never" that isn't what he wanted.
Mark Hamil played that scene perfect makes me love star wars so much
You can really apply the three major timeframes of a man's life to Luke throughout the OT. In New Hope, Luke is innocent like a child and doesn't really understand what's going on in the Galaxy. In Empire, Luke is impulsive and rebellious like a teenager, refusing to listen to Ben and Yoda and trust the Force. In Jedi, Luke is a man. He is confident and sure of himself and has a purity in his purpose. He really does have an amazing character arc that I think is underappreciated.
His character arc is my favorite thing about the OT.
Never thought of it that way
True that, the OT is a coming of age story as much as it is a hero's journey
Or anyone
That's a pretty good parallel
I like behind the scenes stuff with star wars 77-83. More plz.
Back when George owned Star Wars and knew how to tell a story...
@@TheChosenOnesTime :(
Agreed, I would like to see more.
@@TheChosenOnesTime he had a team helping him...his original cuts were always bleh. People helped him. He never was just one man. Never. His wife was one of the chief editors of ANH, for instance. She’s just as much to be thanked. The original was so horrid, his director buddies hated it.
Literally in this video, you see more than just George coming up with things.
@@disguisedcentennial835 i don’t give a fuck if he got help. He wrote the story. Also the first edit of a new hope was so bad that he fired his first editor then hired 2 men and his wife to edit it while he supervised it. He also hired all the people that would help him. Stop being delusional ffs.
I love how back then George would call the lightsabers "laser swords", and that's what Anakin calls Quigon's lightsaber in Phantom Menace. No idea if that's intentional but it's kind of fun.
It's Def intentional, Lazer sword is like the laymans term for lightsaber in universe, someone that doesn't know anything about a jedi will just call the weapon what it looks like
Ironically if lightsabers existed they wouldn't be lasers anyway. They would be some form of plasma energy, like a lightning bolt. Lasers cannot be seen unless they are shining through smoke or mist so the light can reflect off the particles.
Wow, that was awesome! The line was also brilliant when Vader said: "I see you have constructed your own lightsaber. Indeed, you are powerful as the Emperor has forseen." That was all that needed to be said for the movie.
I totally agree
Exactly. So I knew as a kid walking out of Return that Luke had built his own light saber. Vader said so. Waste of a video.
Why can’t I store school information in my brain like how Star Wars does.😐
How about you kindly ask SWT to make algebra videos?
Algebra Theory
Because when you enjoy something it's much easier to learn. The trick is trying to find a way to make your school subjects fun, then your brain will soak up the information more. I taught myself Norwegian and Old English because I love languages and history, so it was 'relatively' easy for me to do, although it took a long time and alot of study, I enjoyed it immensely. So, try and find a way to make learning fun and you'll find you learn quickly and you absorb the information much faster and more efficiently
I have a broken IQ..my mind is with the Force and Force with me...I am The Gray Jedi.
Because you’re not making the schoolwork a part of you like you do with SW.
He didn’t sever the relationship with his son, at that point there was no relationship except bitter rivals. What Vader did was destroy the bond that Luke felt for his father by first ridding him of his lightsaber and then by revealing his father’s true fate.
Yet another reason why Rian Johnson throwing Luke’s saber over his shoulder is stupid.
Yeah, he severed the idea of Luke's father, the one the boy had growing up. It's truly the moment many boys have when the dream of their father is busted and the real man is revealed.
The last Jedi was also a foolishly stupid reaction to seeing that Lightsabre again. Even if we accepted Luke as this broken and jaded cowardly old man, receiving his father's lightsabre again should of atleast reminded him of who he was back then, what he could be and how he rose and got stronger after losing that fight. Tossing it was an empty gag, poor writing in a poor film.
Even if he would have simply given it back to her and said I cannot accept it, it would have completely changed the tone of the film.
I think it fits. To Rey, who only knows the legend, she looks at it as the legendary lightsaber of the legendary Luke Skywalker. To Luke, though, it’s the lightsaber of Darth Vader, his father who fell to the dark side, and he lost it by getting his hand cut off on one of the worst days of his entire life. It’s a cursed object to him.
@@Highbrowser I think that justification only works if the charcters progression had ended after Empire Strikes Back. You have to disregard the developments of Return of the Jedi to think that Luke thought of his father in such a callous disregard at this point in his life. In Return of the Jedi, Luke makes it very clear that he knows that his father Anakin Skywalker is still in there and very much redeemable and at the end he DOES redeem him. To Luke this relic would have been symbolic of that relationship he had with his father and being rejoined with it might even represent that his relationship with his father whom he did come to care for had not been severed but repaired. What's more is that Johnson clearly didn't use that moment as any kind of commentary on Luke's relationship with his father but as a metaphor for Luke's rejection of the past and the Jedi as a whole. It was careless writing and an attempt at forcing the audience to move on from something they clearly wanted fleshed out.
@@Highbrowser
No the whole story is just fan-fiction. Searching your feelings you know it to be true. Let the Last Jedi go. It’s not Star Wars. Rey is also a shitty character. She never had a beginning call to adventure, never has trials and tribulations. Doesn’t get shitted on (Han and Chewbacca sing her prasies).
Dueling is quality family time in the Skywalker family, it's the only time they get to chat.
Dueling
It’s all fun and games until someone loses a hand
I don't believe it's right to say "he doesn't really care anymore." The whole point of Return of the Jedi is that Luke does care about his father, and he believes Darth Vader still has good in him, and he can turn him. The whole point is the fulfillment of the prophecy of bringing balance to the Force.
Yeah, the whole thing is weird. He's talking like up to that point, Luke cared about Darth Vader and was trying to redeem him because he believed in his father. Luke didn't even know that Vader was his father until that point. Luke cared nothing about Darth Vader before Vader cut off his hand. All Vader was to Luke at that point was the evil enemy leader.
It was only after Vader cut his hand off, when Luke confirmed with Obiwan that what Vader told him was true, that he started trying to redeem Darth Vader.
@@imnotmike I saw it as Vadar severing his connection to Luke, proving to himself he was willing to push Luke down the same path, to the dark side, which he followed, after losing his hand
then the 3 new sequels shat all over it.
Even as a kid I got this. The device worked perfectly with the new outfit and sword and hammered home with the 'i see you constructed your own light sabre' it's a recognition of great advancement. that plus the colour change and the dark outfit - it is just clear that a lot has happened and that luke has advanced dramatically when he reappears.
I love the idea of Luke having his hand severed being the way that his relationship is severed with the idealized father that he had always had. The truth killed that innocence that he had about his father and who he had been. But in the end, Luke was the only one who saw and believed that Anakin still lived within Vader. I love their story so much!
The severed hand is what finally related them if anything. It’s why he stops to think in ROTJ when he cuts Vaders hand off. He realises they aren’t so different.
I think Vader's hand being cut off makes luke realize he is forever tainted by the dark side to some small extent and, should he continue with his anger, will move further down that path.
He realizes this when he sees his own hand and Vader's missing one. It's a slippery slope -- one vader/anakin couldn't see coming.
That's some deep metaphorical shit there. Luke building his own saber is symbolic of a boy growing into a man and becoming equal with his father in terms of being adults.
So it has nothing to do with how Jedi were trained before him? Remember Luke didn’t really get traditional training from Obi Won and Yoda but somehow became so powerful he was able to defeat The Mother. 🤔🤷♂️ I guess that’s really lost huh?
The idea of lightsaber construction being part of jedi training didn't become a thing until much later.
No, not philosophical, metaphorical.
This was actually mentioned in the Shadows of the Empire novel. That story took place between Empire and ROTJ.
@@DatDarkOne A novel which is NOT Star Wars and only used the obvious already-clear-for-everyone-ever-since-episode-IV structural arc of the character.
People also don’t consider how numb and traumatized Anakin is, immediately after killing Mace.
Anakin is literally an emotionally shut down, mentally beaten and restricted individual due to the trauma of losing his mother and suffering from constant nightmares all throughout his life. Assisting in the execution of Mace Windu was just the fucked up cherry on top, whilst Order 66 was the second serving of shit pie.
Yes exactly what I always thought. I never thought it was bad acting that made Anakin monotone after cutting off Windus hand it was sheer sense of overwhelming emotion... "what have I done ?" He's in shock, what HAS he just done ? He's thrown everything away to protect a Sith ? And then in an out of body kind of question "what about the rest of the Jedi." They will want to kill him for causing Windus death. So overwhelming, I just never assumed it was bad acting the opposite I thought Hayden was perfect and it gets better every time I see it.
Finally someone else says it....you can see he just went blank
Keep in mind Anakin only chopped off Mace's hand, not kill him. It was Sidious who killed Windu by Force Lighting and forcing him out the window and fall to his death...
@@dboymax1 this wouldn't of happened if Anakin didn't cut his hand off
Absolutely agreed right there at the end when discussing Any’s voice. In addition to that, the line, “Yes, my master” is a lot like in the way James Jones would say it for the o.g. trilogy.
I always liked Hayden’s performance in the films. Never understood why others didn’t.
I never understood the hate for Haden’s acting, I thought he has great!!!!
some people found his lines to be terrible in attack of the clones.
Same
No, he sucked, but he didn't have alot to go on really, he wasn't the cause of the prequels sucking but he definitely was a symptom of it.
@@PezFoot he was honestly very good in the last movie. yes it could have been better but its was mainly because of the script. watch revenge of the sith deleted scenes, his acting is very great.
I understand why he gets hate for AOTC bc there’s some bad scenes with Padme but he’s great in ROTS in my opinion. Hyped for his return
In A New Hope, Luke decides to join the fight against the Empire and “become a Jedi like my father.” With this insight, it’s chilling to see just how targeted Vader’s methods are in ESB. With the revelation that he is Luke’s father, fallen from the light, Vader strikes at the very thing that made Luke become a Jedi in the first place. In Vader’s mind, he was indeed destroying the father-son bond between Anakin and Luke.
What nobody expected was that Luke‘s faith in his father would endure. Despite all Vader’s efforts, Anakin and Luke’s bond would not be broken.
Yes this 100%
This was very well-written.
Perfect summary!
Vader is the most miss understood villain ever.
For real tho
Cap
What makes him misunderstood?
@@FATE522 The average audience member.
Villain?
George may have some issues with bringing his ideas to life with his directing, but the man sure does have brilliant ideas
Agreed.
His directing is abominable but his ideas are a goldmine.
George is at his best when other professionals are around to bounce ideas off and refine them into “show, don’t tell”.
He does have fantastic ideas, demonstrared through his many brilliant productions. He also had ideas for a child anakin getting into a starship to blow up a federation blockade, and midiclorians, and vader yelling "NOOOooo" while throwing palpatine off the platform.
He has brilliant ideas and ideas that miss hard. It should be encouraging to us all to keep pushing for personal brilliance regardless of previous blunders.
@@valegrumby please tell me how Vader saying “No!” when he finally renounces the Dark Side and his master “misses hard.” How does Anakin mishapping into a space battle and accidentally blowing up the federation ship “miss hard”? How does a microscopic class of symbiotic life form that conveys the will of the abstract Force to tangible living beings “miss hard”?
George's direction is fantastic. He created A New Hope. He made every prequel movie, he's incredible. He has a few quirks and things he's not good at like dialogue but is easily one of the best directors of modern Hollywood.
*"You should because that's what everyone will ask"* - Lucas
And that right there is a person who cares about continuity issues and plot holes. I realise the PT is flawed of course, but, Lucas does at least 'care' about trying to make a universe consistant and retain logic and reason. Realising fans 'will' point out things that don't make sense. It wasn't just "some movie" or mindless entertainment to him to make money on a Saturday night.
Yeah, that's the thing I liked about this, was the back and forth to make something as good as they possibly could. I don't think modern movies have the same motivation.
@@shorewall It's mainly about money today. Mando was good because it, like old SW, had more of a heart behind it.
What about the special editions constant changing? No continuity whatsoever
@@mcccccccful I agree. GL has his own eccentricities as well. More so as he's aged.
@@mcccccccful That's GL being a perfectionist while also dealing with time constraints. If he had no time constraints, he would change it endlessly and it would never get released. There was no continuity missing from those changes as far as I'm aware. Other than changing Solo's character. The fact that that scene has gone through numerous changes tells you that GL has his idea, but also wants to appease the fans.
I love that I learn something new about Star Wars even to this day, it’s so cool
I never once said Hayden was a bad actor, and I always knew that his monotone, robotic dialogue in Revenge of the Sith was intended for him to sound like Vader. I am SO HAPPY that there is a video on youtube that points this out, and people didn't just think I was being crazy lol.
Honestly I found it really confusing because it always seems like the reason Vader spoke like that was the severe lung damage. Vader speaks like it hurts to speak so he has to do so carefully
I want to see if people attack the young kid in the new Dune movie who speaks in the same way....as if he's always talking through clenched teeth.
I too knew it tried to tell people listen to his cadence it's how Vader talks.
I always loved Haydens performance in the prequels he was the perfect Anakin and Vader.
He got treated really unfairly.. he’s a great actor who was given pretty clunky dialogue and forced to do most of his scenes standing.. sitting.. walking to the window and turning..
George is many things but he is certainly not an “actors director”
In fact the only part I like of attack of the clones is his monologue about the sand people... never understood the hate that scene gets. He sells it really well imo
@@michaelgordon8235 I think it has more to do with the fact that George essentially wrote Anakin as a Sith in AOTC already. So people weren't reacting to Anakin's instability realistically. Padmé should have either left or talked to Obi-wan about getting him help.
I don’t know if you’re an old fart like me... But the initial reaction to the prequels at the time was BRUTAL. A lot of people, including so-called fans, bad-mouthed those films for years (and many never stopped). Hayden got a lot of the hate, although if you don’t like his performance it has a lot more to do with George’s writing and directing. (Not that Hayden is a great actor. He’s not. But it’s not really his fault if someone doesn’t like the character.) I actually enjoyed the prequels a fair bit. But for years if you admitted that to anyone, you got your head bit off. 😀
@@DavidMontgomery1 I know how you feel. I like Phantom Menace and have ever since it came out. But you couldn't admit that for the longest time.
Vader didn't just toy with Luke, he wanted him to grow and even to be able to beat him, which he did. Vader wanted salvation.
It had to be Luke. Because, fuck you forever, Obiwan
No, he didn't. Vader only wanted Luke to join him to kill Palpatine. He had no positive thoughts about his son until Luke made him doubt.
@@juanlaise1059Goerge Lucas says much differently. Watch his interview on this subject.
@@DaddyVader87
To quote George Lucas "His [Vader’s] motives at this point are purely evil. He simply wants to continue on what he was doing before, which is to get rid of the Emperor, make himself Emperor. He only sees his son as a mechanism to further that ambition. This is mad lust for power.”
@@juanlaise1059 yes then he says when Luke denies the Darkside to Palpatine is when he falls to the side of good. He was toying with luke in their fight trying to make him stronger..only when he said he would turn Leia is when Luke changed his mannerisms but since Vader was toying with him he didn't expect it. Those are also things said by Goerge if you want to get technical.
I watched ANH at age 11 for the first time and it was "just cool". Now, 40 years later I still discover how deep the story is. And I am reminded why I love it so much.
Love how much detail they put into everything, it really went to show how much appreciation they had for the story.
Imagine using 'laser sword' throughout the SW trilogies
@MC Gaming
Right. Laser Sword is actually more accurate if anything.
So, yea, get over yourselves fanboys.
in sweden they are called ''laser svärd'' which means laser sword. so in sweden laser sword is the correct name.
@@elliot04877 In the native language of the Star Wars creator, it is lightsaber... 😉
@@razorpit in swedish it is lasersword
@@razorpit ... which is basically a laser sword, de facto.
I was expecting this video to just be him saying “it’s like poetry, it rhymes”
Mandalorian really showed the OP "owning the room" side of Luke, and it really harmonises with Luke entering Jabba´s palace in Ep6
good point regarding Anakin's character speaking in monotone to prefigure his change into Darth Vader later in the story arc!
Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise? I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life... He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. It's ironic he could save others from death, but not himself.' - Sheev Palpatine
Its ironic, it applies to Palpatine. Twice.
I love that scene, Anakin responds by asking if its possible to learn that power and Palpatine calmy replies 'not from a Jedi'
Never gets old
@@nocuore7773 Unlike Palpatine being the main villain.
The dartb plagueis book is amazing
Vader didn't want to fight Luke at all in Return of The Jedi, let alone beat him. Vader's a few years older, depressed as hell, and probably just tired of his life at this point.
Vader's talk with Luke when they are still on Endor really says a lot about his mindframe. He just sounds world weary and exhausted. I don't think Vader ever enjoyed the power the Dark Side brought him. Physically, he's a burned out husk and mentally, all he has is grief and anger.
He also still cared for his son as well. Ofc he didn’t want to kill Luke. Even though he was so evil and has made the galaxy bow to him in terror, when he sees Luke it reminds him of Padme. Luke was a symbol of hope to Vader
Read the 2020 vader comics. You are 100% correct. Hell sidious tortured vader because of his compassion. Went as far to say vader lost all his stremgth due to depression and compassion.
He is actually quite motivated to take control of the Empire and rule with his son
18 years is “a few years older”? Lmao
In the future, people will keep finding hidden meanings in Star Wars, like we do with Shakespeare
U are yoda it should be
In the future,keep finding hidden meanings in the star wars people will
Shakespeare like we do with
@@threedotscrown7985 don't tell me how to talk, if you actually looked at Yoda lines you'd see that he talks backwards only about 48% of the time
@@yoda5896 help I won't
The only difference is that shakespear is trash
Star Wars is encrypted. Pass on what you have learned, strength, mastery, but weakness volley. -Yoda speaking to Luke Skywalker - Lost Ben, you did, lose Rey, we must not: Moderation, temperance, self control, self discipline. -apostle To thine own self be true. 'Faketh' 'Liebrid'
6:13 So we now have direct confirmation, that the HIGH GROUND is the basis of all Star Wars.
Great information! Very cool to hear the actuall conversation between Lucas and his production team!
I love the depth within the lore and the thought process behind everything. Makes me love this franchise more and more the deeper the lore dives 😊
I love the RESPECT you have for George's creative process. As far as I'm concerned it's; Favreau for movies, Filoni for T.V., and SW Theory for online media. The 3 Padawans!
The logic george has for this change... He's truly one of a kind.
it's still bad writing. it's a common theme that has been done much better. it's a fundamental human chain of events that the son overcomes the father. even the bible has this story. that's how old it is.
4, 5 and 6 were the best star wars movies but that's not saying much
@@Batpimpn oh shut up. Go away, you don't deserve to be here
@@merlinthomi seriously i was scrolling in the comments to see when someone will compare to the christian Bible cos it's really not that deep if you grew up learning the bible lol very weird to me that people exist don't recognise or identify these aspects of the movies.
@@LAUGHINGMAN91 don’t give a fuck about that goofy 2,000 year old fantasy story book
George Lucas may be rare (due to most of capitalist society not fostering a well-rounded education), but not unique. Joseph Campbell said similar stuff, and George Lucas learned a lot from Campbell.
I’ve been watching these videos for a couple years now and I love that you dig so deep into the ideology of not just the films but even the people involved with making the films because metaphorically AFTER YEARS and I’m talking my whole life’s worth of years (because I’m a year away from my 30’s) never have I thought about something so deep as what this video has taught me as a Star Wars fan
I guess I kinda figured that from Vaders perspective, removing his son's hand would make Luke more like himself, and getting rid of the lightsaber would be an added bonus. it was the weapon he carried as a Jedi, and I'm sure just seeing it brought back so many memories he tried to forget. but hearing the dialogue of the creators is fascinating! thanks!
2:02 L A S E R S W O R D
When Luke said laser sword in episode 8 I kinda flipped it’s called a lightsaber not a laser sword😂
Laser is an acronym for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emitted Radiation. Learn something new everyday ...
@@mr.talind.7473 the force is strong with this one
@Fire storm Gamer not as skilled but stonger then his farther because his not fuked up like vader was they had the same M count
@@mr.talind.7473 Many tech words are acronyms... scuba gear (scuba = self-contained underwater breathing apparatus).
Because Vader is outnumbered
Anakin was on Luke’s side
I love this!
The dichotomy ius proven false. Obi Wan was wrong. Luke was right. Anakin and Vader are the same person.
We have gone so far with this story it’s amazing how much we uncovered
Stormtrooper: Dude you just cut your sons hand of
Vader: we’re just toying around
How does this story keep getting deeper/better every time I learn more about the background? What a tale for the ages...
Man I love how deep George goes with his writing
There's an echo of Luke's defeat when he cuts of Vader's hand but it causes him to realise that he can't give in to his anger
7:20 facts. No matter how much you appreciate the films, you’re still under appreciating the films. They too good.
I dont think saying that when Vader cut off Luke’s hand he severed his connection with him is accurate. I’d say it brought Luke’s dependence on his father to an end. Their connection is what saved them at the end of ROTJ, the new lightsaber simply symbolized that Luke was no longer dependent on Anakin
Hayden Christiansen’s performance is one of the most misunderstood and underrated in modern acting.
And when the guy who wrote and envisioned the character says he played it perfectly, I’m not sure what there is to criticize Hayden for.
I like how they showed how powerful Anakin could've became with how strong Luke became
Yep, that was the great part about it.
Anakin could have become even more powerful that then, especially if he had all his limbs
@@micahharrison1786 yeah when he turned to darth vader he completely changed his fighting style because he lost his limbs
Luke was nowhere near as skilled as Anakin was. It wasn't even close.
@@minty5121 in legends he surpassed anakin it’s not even close
Their use of lazer sword is killing me
I like the use of laser sword on film when used by people that wouldn't exactly know what a lightsaber is like Anakin in TPM and Din Djarin in Mando.
@@Stevie8654 Oh no, I'm fine with laymen in-universe using it too.
The only reason it annoys me is because, if a lightsaber were to really exist, it's blade would be made out of plasma.
@@fattiger6957 That's a valid reason right there 😆
Last time I was this early we still got news from starlog magazine
Last time I was This early.
The only way you could buy a prop replica of a
Laser Sword,is through a
Magazine
I didn’t know about the deleted scene, but I remember reading about Luke creating the lightsaber in the movie tie-in novel of ROTJ
So the most epic lightsaber duel in history of star wars is what started it all,nice to know
Luke makes his own lightsaber... severing ties with his father. BRILLIANT! 🙌🏻
It took mando all his strength to destroy one dark trooper and Luke destroyed 50+ without even trying. They’re also made of phrik which survived Alderaan’s destruction.
Pretty sure Sidious’ saber is made of Phrick too
@@zakapholiac9377 It has a lot on it, yeah. More as an insult to the Jedi than anything else though.
Yes but I bet if mando had the dark saber at the time it would have been much easier - his beskar does the blocking while the saber does the cutting...
Uhm mando is a regular human thousands of jedi did that in the clone wars lol.
I never thought of it that way
5:15 This is a great take. One of the brilliant aspects of episodes 1-6 is how many of the lightsaber duels are not 1-to-1 feats of strength. They're much more strategic and a version of 4D chess where the "winner" is actually being setup for failure outside of the battle. It is truly brilliant stuff.
_With Jedi speed, Luke ignited his sword and attacked the guard at the skiff-edge of the plank, sending him, screaming, overboard into the twitching mouth of the Sarlacc._
_The other guards swarmed toward Luke. Grimly he waded into them, lightsaber flashing._
_His own lightsaber - not his father's. He had lost his father's in the duel with Darth Vader in which he'd lost his hand as well. Darth Vader, who had told Luke he was his father._
_But this lightsaber Luke had fashioned himself, in Obi-wan Kenobi's abandoned hut on the other side of Tatooine-made with the old Master Jedi's tools and parts, made with love and craft and dire need. He wielded it now as if it were fused to his hand; as if it were an extension of his own arm. This lightsaber, truly, was Luke's._
After Luke is captured and delivered to Vader, Vader examines his lightsaber and says "I see you built a new lightsaber..." - or something like that.
So, it is explained later in the movie.
The beauty of Star Wars is that we watched six movies to see one person literally making one choice, Anakin never made a choice until he chose to help Luke.
Also, Luke was the opposite and constantly kept making his own choice.
"I see you've constructed a new phallic symbol...your skills are complete."
I still have copies of the star log magazine's, they were awesome back in the day.
George is a GENIUS
I felt like the emotional history in each OG trilogy light saber battle made the difference. In each battle Vader could have instantly dominated if he chose. Each battle had Vader conflicted which is why Luke won. In addition I believe Luke was a truly inspired Jedi because unlike what most people believe he was not going into that thrown room to beat his father in a light saber battle. He went in there unarmed to get in front of the Emperor and convert his father to the light side. To do that he had to throw down his weopon and truly leave his fate in the hands of his father.
A little advice from the old Master goes a long way.."Your weapons: You will not need them." Kinda too bad they made Yoda a somersaulting dervish instead of someone who understands that true power lies beyond demonstrative shows of strength..
I was always under the impression that Luke wasn't just his equal but had finally surpassed Vader in RoTJ (Confronting him was the final step to prove it) He was younger, more "able-bodied" than Vader but still impressionable, which is why "only together can we turn him to the dark side of the Force" and use his friends as leverage.
But still a bit more powerful. That's why the Emperor wanted him. To replace Vader and live up to Vader's lost potential!
and less machine so stronger for e user
He had potential not actual strength.
@@neddhu Nope. Once he beat Vader it was confirmed that he had surpassed him in power. Otherwise, he wouldn't have won. Even stalemate at the least.
@@fan-i-am i disagree
I was fascinated by how you related the speech cadences of Anakin and Vader. It totally makes sense; great interpretation!
great what you said about the monotone voice of Anakin resembling the voice of Darth Vader. when you notice it, everything makes such beautiful sense
Interesting. I always thought Vader cutting Luke's hand off was to teach him loss...so he would fall to the dark side faster.
That too. But art always have 2 sides too...
Vader cuts off his hand because Luke got a hit in on him. Vader is all about speeches and toying around with him but when Luke hits his shoulder Vader's entire demeanor changes.
If so many people missed the intent and blame “bad acting” as you say then that fault lies with the filmmakers.
Yep, unfortunately.
That is interesting - never knew that part. That Luke literally was actually severing himself from his father when his hand was cut off. I knew he was tempting him and was superior in Empire Strikes Back, but with the extra training in Return of the Jedi the idea he was Vader's equal was kind of explained in the third film - that is not a surprise at least to me.
When did you watch these films? 🤔
I watched episodes 4-6, in the 80s.
From my perspective, Luke was training a bit with Yoda, but left to help his friends.
Got his hand cut off by Vader, (who was literally toying with him, one handed) and had to be rescued himself. The film then basically ended and it made no sense whatsoever.
Then in the final film Luke went back to see Yoda, but Yoda inexplicably is either sick and dies... 😶 ...Or dies of old age, even though hardly any time seemed to have passed between episode 5 and 6.
Luke then goes and fights Vader again, but this time Vader seems inexplicably weaker and Luke is far stronger???
It was never explained how he was suddenly a Jedi at the start of ROTJ. So I took it as, he'd got his arm cut off, but then returned as a Jedi in the final film.
It wasn't until I watched 1-3, then later 1-6, back to back, that it made more sense that ROTJ was the return of Anakin to the light side. 🤔
Was there ever any meaningful explanation as to how Luke got powerful between episodes 5 and 6? I don't mean books and cartoons (🙄), I mean videos / dialogue by George Lucaa, like in this video?
@@1Flyingfist Not in this video, but I did see in another video with Lucas is that he wanted to portray Vader in his prime episodes three, four and five. By episode six enough time had passed that he was aged like Obi-Wan was in episode 4 when he died. As a result, he was "weaker" with the Force by that point while Luke was now in his prime by episode six. It also shows why the saber fights in episodes one, two and three were far more intense than they were in four, five and six. In those first three films, the Jedi were strong and the fighting was intense. By the next three episodes that were first released, the Jedi were all but extinct after what happens in Episode 3. When Lucas explained it, it really does make a lot of sense. I know a lot of people frown at his directing the first three episodes, but he did try to keep the continuity between all six (even though he did a lot of experimentation with technology with gave him bad reviews at the time, particularly around Episode 1 because of Jar-Jar Binks).
I must say, you have a great channel. I really enjoy listening to these.
This was one of your best, SWT. People give you a bad rap (mostly Sequel lovers) but they don't see the work you've put in and how much you care about the franchise. I'm not sure if you've ever met George, but he would have to give you credit.
George Lucas will have gained my respect once he releases the un altered theatrical versions of the original trilogy.
@Vince negra that scene wasn’t originally in the theatrical version
So... George will never get your respect. Not that he needs your respect... the billions of dollars will comfort him, I imagine. You do realize that George can't release it, right? Disney owns it. He sold it. This really isn't news at this point.
Lucas doesn't care about your respect and will die rich and beloved world wide without ever knowing who you are.
Star Wars is the best!
Yes it is
Yes
I agree
yep
Yes
This is why we don’t recognize the sequels, they’re garbage compared to George’s original vision. 🤷🏻♂️
Lucas should have never sold it in the first place...Disney could never put as much thought and love into it as Lucas...its Disney. Would Disney sell Mickey Mouse to anyone....not for 4 billion.
We don’t recognize them yet we bring them up constantly. God Star Wars fans are such jokes.
No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans
@@erikbrenner5138 Star Wars fanboys:Bully a kid into depression,send George Lucas death threats,Sexualize Leia in her slave outfit,make the actor for Jar Jar contemplate suicide,force the actors/tresses out of social media because of constant harassment,get offended when someone likes the new movies,bombarded Rian Johnson with hate mail over a movie,were so toxic to Lucas that had to sell Star Wars because he was tired of the Prequel hate
Also fanboys:DiSnEy RuInEd StAr WaRs
@@albertthepeacock8020 fans can become maniacal.
the fact this went on a whole tangent about how people need to go deeper when watching these movies and analyzed how Hayden talks in AOTC and ROTS just earned my subscription lol. i have been breaking these movies down scene by scene since i was a kid so its really appreciated to see someone else finally see the same things and even some things i didnt.
I had never considered the cadence that Hayden spoke with lining up with James Earl Jones’ Vader, but you’re right. 🤯
"I would be Honored,If you could join us!"
So Obi Wan Gave Luke My
Laser Sword..
Last time I was this Late,The only way you could buy a prop replica of a laser Sword,was by Magazine
Who would win in a duel: ROTS Anakin Skywalker Vs The Mandalorian Luke Skywalker
The mandalorian luke was older and more experienced than anakin. So luke will beat anakin in this fight.But, episode3 anakin can beat episode6 luke.If vader fought luke as a enemy, luke will be killed by vader preety easily.
Episode3 yoda>palp>vader>anakin ep3>luke ep6
Luke, definitely
Anakin in ROTS is anakin’s peak power, he would crush anyone at that stage, maybe even yoda or palps.
Lucas said that Anikan and Luke had the same potential and Luke in the mandalorian was Older then Anikan in rots and was a grandmaster so Luke
Psst man! I'd pay money to see that properly executed and choreographed between those two!! That would be just epic.
“I see you have constructed a new lightsaber”
"Your skills are complete"
“Indeed you are powerful, as the emperor has foreseen”.
The fact we are still learning new stuff about the movies is so amazing you never really realize how much depth there really is
Loved this video, its very interesting how deep and connected is the entire story, its really amazing, that sharps my curiosity to know more about Star Wars.
I always thought there was a gap between ESB and ROTJ in terms of Luke's abilities. At the end of ESB he was still a beginner but by ROTJ he somehow was an expert. How did that occur? It never really explained that in a believable way to me which is why ROTJ always kind of felt forced. It seemed it needed another movie between them in order to explain Luke's improvement in ROTJ.
What’s the difference between anakin from one movie and the next?
About the same as Luke right?
Each movie is about 5 years apart in universe
Anakin starts out 12
Then he’s 17
Then he’s 22
Luke starts out 19
And ends at 29
That’s the difference
There's a Star Wars novel called Shadows Of The Empire that takes place between ESB and ROTJ, in the book Luke is shown to be practicing his Force abilities, contemplating Yoda's training. George even said he would've made a story like this into a movie had he had the time back in the 80's. And that novel is true as Yoda even states to Luke " No more training you require, already know that which you need" And Sidious stated " He has grown strong, only together can we turn him to the dark side of the Force"
People who say Hayden's acting was bad and blame it on him are morons. Just the simplest knowledge of how movies are made shows there was a director there the entire time. Hayden delivered the lines exactly how he was directed to.
Keep sending it my guy
I still think it's the most beautiful and ironic thing that Hayden Christensen's break out role (before star wars) was in a Canadian drama called "High Ground".
Ohh but to be honest. I love that whole Theory culture, one of the real upsides of the internet age! Just being able to connect with people, share the thoughts or even just watching videos, like yours to solidify a theory or two or just be blown away about things, that simply didn't occur to me.
All those theory and lore channels out there, across the franchises I love just brought me to a deeper understanding and in turn, just makes it soo much more worthwhile for me.
Especially, because it helps me recalling why things like Star Trek, Star Wars or Dragon Ball mean so much to me and how they impacted me in my personal beliefs and ideals!
All those channels are basically a love letter to their respective source materials and it is really engaging!
Vader never fought Luke with the intention to kill him, he couldn't. So i don't think Luke was more powerful than Vader, but Luke did had an advantage over him, he was Anakin's son, and he was the only person that could resurface him.
I mean in canon books it’s confirmed that Luke and Vader are equal in power
@@G_Singh222 Fuck the books, Movies are the only cannon.
@@Ti0Luch0
You’re objectively wrong, the books are just as canon as the movies. Sry if reality hurts your feelings.
@@G_Singh222 fuck the books, movies are the only cannon. Deal with it.
Luke wasn't equal to Vader, it wouldn't make any sense as Vader has far more experience than his own son.
Vader lost because he was conflicted.
George Lucas even confirms Vader is more powerful than Luke
Well, children love power because children are the powerless. And so their fantasies all center on having power. And who’s more powerful than Darth Vader, you know? And, some, you know, will be attracted to Luke Skywalker because he’s the good guy. But ultimately, we all know that Darth Vader’s more powerful than he is.
--billmoyers.com/content/mythology-of-star-wars-george-lucas/
Your right luke is beyond vader, he also did something that vader never did become a jedi master and grand master.
Yup I read the quote for myself but it doesn’t specifically specify ROTJ it’s more so a general idea of the entire trilogy. It’s kind of like a “we know this guys more powerful but because Luke’s the good guy we gravitate toward him and assume him to be able to defeat him (which eventually he did)” sort of thing.
He also goes on more with that quote but it wasn’t really a confirmed thing it was more of his idea process when he was creating the story.
I agree!
@@donovanpitts6907 if Lucas wasn't specific about which version of Luke then he clearly meant ROTJ as generally he is the version of Luke that comes first to mind when you think of him as he is the fully formed version. There's no reason to assume he was talking about a weaker Luke who could barely wield a lightsaber in ESB
”Not only did Luke lose his weapon and was castrated...”
Wow, this turned Freudian quickly. 😳
Lucas was a student of Joseph Campbell.
Yeah, I don't think so ... LOL ... this was a G rated film
omg that cadence thing just blew my mind.. after u said that i thought about scenes and anakin and dooku in ROTS when he says ive grown twice in power since the last time count" sounds just like vader in ANH with obiwan "las time i was but a learner" my mind is blown i definitely see it now with haydens acting
Great video. I hadn’t thought much about the change of light sabres. The deeper meanings... very interesting. Great job.
7:35 nah, turns out ani was just sleepy the whole time because of all his bad dreams