Anakin wasn't strong enough yet. He needed time to recover. But when he's in world between worlds he's immensely powerful. I think this is very good explanation. May the Force be with you too
We all know the real reason is because showing up to frequently would hurt the drama. And Skywalkers always do the most dramatic thing possible in a given situation.
What had happened is that after Luke saved his father, Anakin could have appeared he would have but he let Luke find his own path which is the real design, of the force and Anakin saved his son because Anakin felt Luke needed his help, and Anakin is the only one with the power to fight that power the darkside was sending, plus Anakin owed his son for saving him and help Anakin get to the position he is at now.
We don't know if Anakin Skywalker visit his son numerous times or not. I would like to think Anakin Skywalker visit Luke Skywalker often. Like Ahsoka. But this is off camera and not written. Great post
Yeah it was pretty much establish in secrets of the jedi that Anakin alongside Obi Wan and Yoda guided Luke to the years he rebuilt the jedi order until he disconect himself of the force .
@@daniels7907or Luke tell the story of Anakin and how the darkside is a trap and you’ll never achieve what you truly want. I swear the just ignored the prequels & Anakin on purpose or they didn’t really understand Star Wars. Personally I think it’s a bit of both.
@@daniels7907 Maybe Anakin Skywalker did but Luke Skywalker cut himself from the force like when Qui Gon was around Obi wan but was never seen until the end of the series
@@ThesonofAJR_edits - Yoda got around to appearing to Luke in TLJ, regardless of being cut off from the Force. It's like a strong wind. You can try to pretend it's not there, but it can still blow you away.
@@ajclannachan - Honestly, if Anakin could pull Ahsoka into the World Between Worlds and even appear to her there as corporeal, then he should have at least been able to have a chat with Ben/Kylo and with Luke. Although it is true that Jedi are notorious Boomer parents who ignore it when younger people seriously need advice and guidance.
You forgot to mention one little thing. Anakin is a Jedi and Jedi are supposed to avoid attachment. When he got too close to Padme it allowed a sith to manipulate him. This remains true after death as he still exerts influence on the universe, especially as the chosen one. The relationship between a Jedi master and apprentice is almost sacred to the Jedi and they are not even supposed to have children at all. This is why I think he appears so much to Ahsoka and continues training her compared to Luke.
He actually continued to guide Luke (who even felt his presence in the force alongside his former mentors after the Exegol 'thing') and also helped him rebuild the order along them and such 'stuff'. So overall it really seems like he was also there for Luke and passed on like wise and helpful things
@@miekeradow1191the jwdi are wrong for having that rule . And it's why Luke was the opposite and allowed and wanted his jedi to have families. Because that is the real purpose for life. Ans it's helps with getting new jedis and ones that are strong in the force having attachments are goodn Luke proved all of that when he started his new jedi academy
all Force Spirits should be infinite. i don't like that they can be depleted and destroyed. it would be soo cool for Anakin, Obi-Wan, and even Yoda to appear 200+ years in the future to help some wayward Force user on their path and they'd initially have no idea who they are. then they'd remember them from the historical holos and texts realizing they are in the presence of Legends.
I consider them to be anyway. Just as I don't accept much of what Disney has amended or retconned in the last near-decade they've had the rights to the franchise. Among other things, the "bleed a crystal" emo nonsense is inferior to the alchemical, synthetic process the Sith used to create saber crystals originally because it better spoke to their nature of doing truly unnatural things. Anger, pain, etc. are natural emotions. Stealing a Jedi's crystal and turning it red is incredibly weak by comparison to literally making your own out of necessity, followed by spite after many generations.
I believe this happened in the canon book Shadows of the Sith. And it (along with this video) provides a good in-universe explanation for why Anakin never appeared at any point in the sequel trilogy aside from his voice cameo in The Rise of Skywalker.
Just want to add that Ahsoka is kind of like the Daughter since she gave her live for Ahsoka. and with Anakin pretty much acting as the new Father maybe that connection plays into why he can come to Ahsoka like he did?
Hmmm, I wouldn't say that. Their relationship is more of a sibling rivalry than anything else. It's weird to call a father "Skyguy" or a daughter "snips". They had a strong bond but also a bit of a healthy good natured ribbing that is more line with siblings.
Appreciate the comment but you've missed what I meant. I meant the gods of the living force. You know the father, the son and the daughter. Not that they're relationship is like that of father and daughter.
Your thoughts and explanations, along with possible options make a lot of sense. Since we didn't really know what the actual form of the Father is, it's hard to say what Anakin is at this point in time. We do know, the Father, Son and Daughter could present themselves as fully formed human and other species on a world with a force well spring, or very strong nexus such as Mortis. At a location which isn't strong in the force, Anakin may be limited to being a force ghost other something else. The fear of Anakin's power, along with access to the WBW makes him a bigger bad ass than his kid! Well chosen subject. Right now (before the next series of movies) is a great time to discuss what Luke has/will be doing. Disney adding into canon as much as they can from legends really is necessary to save their own face. I also believe Disney understands it was a mistake to make Luke the babysitter of Ach-To. Yet it is a done deal and must make the best of it. One way to rectify it some, is to have Luke "disappear" on many of the adventures from legends then adding their own spin and means of plagiarism to explain it all. Which in reality, is what Disney has done since Walt began the company.
Padme was never a Force Ghost. It doesn't matter whether she was Force sensitive. Only Jedi with the strongest souls and rigorous training, could become one. After she died, her essence became one with the Force; but unlike a Ghost, her self and identity ceased to be. There IS no reunion between Anakin and Padme. Her death was absolute and final, and something Anakin has to live with forever. Nothing Disney churns out can override the significance of that.
Actually Tythonn may still be the birthplace of the Jedi. Achto is only said to house the first Jedi temple but that doesn't mean the Jedi were formed there.
In sequel It was because Disney still not sure how the fan will react to the come back of character that so criticized in negative way in the past but then they start to know people mind changed. We gonna see more Anakin/Hayden soon. It's business
Dave just showing how good he is again , creating new stories but staying faithful to the lore. We love you Dave and thank you ! 🙏 Johnson , Kennedy there is a cliff jump off it ! Lmao 🤣
Yeah, I'm looking forward to his story about Ahsoka during the OT. Or his story about Luke during the Ahsoka series. He has written himself into a corner now, because he couldn't kill her on Malachor. The World Between Worlds is, narratively speaking, like a bomb waiting to go off. At the very least, it removes all the stakes because anyone can just be saved like Ahsoka was, should the writers ever decide for it.
Staying faithful to the lore? He steals the bits he likes and would make his pet characters overpowered while completely trashing the principles and concepts needed for things to actually make sense. Like he stole thrawn, made him incompetent, and then made the entire imperial remnant hinge their whole resurrection plan based on the assumption he could still somehow be alive, without knowing he survived the space whale thing? Then had him call out to the NIGHTSISTERS through "time and space"? Not to mention the New Republic scrapping star destroyers while simultaneously complaining about not having enough ships to control the mid rim 😂 Yeah, I'm sure Zahn is really proud of how Filoni is staying completely faithful to star wars lore by making thrawn, the remnant and the new republic completely and utterly incompetent. Filoni's only good work was as the "corrects people on what's canon and what isnt" guy. As a writer he's talentless. I never thought star wars content could ever dip below the sequel trilogy levels, but filoni has definitely done it with Mando s3, Kenobi, and Ahsoka. Bravo!
Who wants their dad’s ghost popping in all the time talkin shit like “that’s not how we did it in my day” or “you know you need to clean that every few years or it will go bad”, even if he is right.
The Force is The Force and shows us the form we wish to see. The image and the mannerisms/personality are just The Force giving us the form we will be most receptive to. When we die, we become part of The Force. There is only The Force.
i dont think anakin is limited by power. I think that anakin saving both ahsoka and luke is an example of him breaking the balance he does have a bias but it comes from consideration of others although hes not meant to affect the living
Next to superweapons, an being a Galaxy dominating, Super Psycho Sith Psychopath.. Palpy sure has an odd hard on for Skywalkers don't he??? An the way Ghost Anakin blasted them.. you'd think he attended Hogwarts too an they was outta wands that day. So they shrugged an taught him to use his saber instead.. Now that'd be a weird franchise crossover.. bet Force users would be surprised by non Force Sensitive seeming to them to be a sorta oral an wand waving type of Force Users.
Questions: 1. When, if ever, was Ahsoka told that Anakin was redeemed? Did Luke tell her when he was training Grogu? 2. For this "chosen one" thing ... cannot the force kinda take a mulligan? Force makes Anakin to be the chosen one, but then stuff happens and he goes all dark. Cannot the force just make another "chosen one"? Whether it be Grogu, Rey (ick) or what not?
Question 1: I assume she learned during the collapse of the empire. She would have heard that vader and the emperor were dead at the hands of the gang (luke, Leia, han, chewwie, lando) and maybe at some point met and talked to luke before we see them do so in BOBF. Question 2: the force is basically god and could do whatever the fuck it wants
@@mappingshaman5280 So Q2, I agree with you. So maybe Anakin was the chosen one, but he kinda fucked up, went all emo & shit. So the force said "ok, let's try this again" and gave us a new chosen one?
Was Obi-wan so senile in RotJ that Joda had to tell him that "There is another" meaning Leia, Obi-wan was there when they where born and actually went on a quest with the Youngling.
Ya this isn't a very good point. Because of Disney's writing we know Luke and leia were not the only hope. Ahsoka was around. Kanan was around. Cal was around. Grogu was around, Etc.
@sleptonitsundays9531 what made them the only hope was that as his kids they were the only ones who could ever bring Anakin back to the light. And Anakin was the only one who could get close enough to Palpatine to stop him
@@thahotkidd that would be a valid point, except at no point in the original trilogy do Obi Wan or Yoda express interest in turning Anakin back to the light side. Only Luke believed this was possible and that's part of what makes the character of Luke so special.
@sleptonitsundays9531 I actually agree with you there. I think when Yoda and Obi were referring to Anakins kids being the last hope what they meant was they were the only ones who stood a chance against him and the emperor because of their chosen one blood. But their plan was never going to work that way. Everyone who goes up against Palpatine ends up turned or dead, and it wouldn't have been any different for either of the Skywalker twins.
But isn't it also stated that Anakin constantly continued to guide Luke alongside Obi-Wan and Yoda? So he must've appeared more often. Also isn't it implied somewhere that they talked like multiple times? I'm so confused now... And also scared what they'll do to him. :( (Btw. I mean in canon, not Legends.)
I mean also after the Exegol 'incident'. I mean it's at least said that Luke still felt Anakins presence, even up to 'The rise of Skywalker', so it's clear that Anakins 'consciousness' was still around and watching over him.
i dont think anakin would refuse to visit luke as often as the others because of master apprentice. maybe it could have something to do with being vader at one point
That would undermine the impact of Padme's death. There was a permanence to it. Death is irreversible. And that is what makes life matter so much. You could say Luke carried part of Padme in him, and was the New Hope. So in that sense, Padme returned.
To be fair Anakin as he is currently is just too powerful, if he could visit Luke or whoever whenever he wanted imagine how boring that would get, as at the end of the day he could just show up and solve the problem.
Canon isn't what it use to be... Personally I don't even take episodes 7 8 9 seriously. I stick primarily to Extended Universe and only except certain things from the new content. Rogue One, Andor, Clone Wars and only snippets from the rest.
In my version of the sequel trilogy anakin's force ghost appears to Luke a lot. Along with Obi-Wan (Alec Guinness) and Yoda. They even welcome him into the Netherworld of the force in my version of the second sequel movie at the end. Where you get to see force Ghosts of the jedis from the prequels.
I love the many ways people dance around the fact that in saving Luke Anakin became THE balance in the force that he was always meant to be... Oh hold on let's have an irrelevant theory about this. Why not that? How about this other barely slightly relevant fact. Funny that this imperfect oh so terrible but in reality best piece of star wars media in decades gave you the inkling to fire off random irrelevant theories about nothing isn't it. *That wasn't aimed at you Stupendous Wave 👍
Anakin's redemption arch, in my opinion, was not enough to make up for everything he had done as Vader. Right before he dies, he does the first morally right action he's done in decades. To me, that's the equivalent of a serial killer on death row showing no remorse until he's about to receive the lethal injection and claiming he begged for and received forgiveness from Jesus. It doesn't just erase all the atrocities he had committed before those last moments of life. Anakin was a ruthless monster as Vader while he was the Emperor's enforcer.
And he never would have been accepted back into society if he had lived. His life was over, and he knew it. His sacrifice has built into it, the acceptance of that fact. What he said to Luke, "You were right about me," was for Luke and Leia's ears only. The freedom he found was spiritual, not societal.
Shadows of the sith to me was a book full of miss potential. It was an interesting read but really felt more like the sequel to a story they actually wanted to tell. The Anakin cameo was fun and at the time was the reason I even bought the book but honestly between the writing style and story it was honestly one of the least enjoyable books I have read in current canon. In fact I read it and the obi wan Padawan book back to back and almost completely fell off of reading Star Wars books because both were mediocre in my opinion. To be fair to both of them I think I just wanted more than what they ended up giving me with shadows of the Sith. I wanted a story of Luke and Lando, being bad asses, and with the Obi-Wan Padawan book, I wanted the story of Obi-Wan meeting Satine. Luke and Lando might as will be a footnote in the shadows of the Sith book as they really only shot for about a third of the book and it’s really more focused on Rey and her family leading up to her being left on Jakku. The Padawan book on the other hand was just a very lackluster YA book with plot points and conflicts that had already been addressed in other media. Frankly, the only piece of interesting information that came out of that book to me was seeing Obi-Wan and decks meet.
Legends show how strong Anakin was, yet Disney cucked all the Skywalkers. Books, TV series, and movies show how there was no general storyline or history.
Its bc the "NEW" Canon SUX and is complete pandering trash, and despite what the critics say, star wars fans have no anger towards women being the hero, we only recognize that HEROS should be like Leia and not Mary Sue plot contrivances to make all that came before look like "idiot cowardly men"
From what we've seen in The Last Jedi (and I hate to give the Sequels more credit than they deserve) projecting yourself using the Force is very very intense and draining as Luke died after projecting himself in front of Kylo Ren
It's possible that Anakin appeared after Rey left and he convinced Luke to take a stand and how to project himself so far. Anakin needed time to recover after such a powerful act, but he managed it, but he is already part of the Force and could recover. Luke was not and it used up all his life force to do it, or much of it and he used the last of it to see his sister one last time and apologise for failing and it used up all his lifeforce and he passed into the Force, using teachings he learnt long ago, or Anakin taught him when he appeared to Luke.
You're making excuses for bad writing. All Luke had to do to save Leia and Rey was to force lift his x-wing fighter out of the shallow waters like Yoda did on Dagobah and get it running again and be on his way to planet Crait to save them. All this force projection was unnecessary and an attempt to kill off a character that overshadowed Miss "Force is female" Rey.
@@luminatrixfanfiction Killing off both Luke and Snoke in 8 made sure that 9 was gonna be a trainwreck. Especially considering that they had no story to tell. That's why they had to resort to bringing Sheev back, screwing up George's story. If there was a purpose behind Luke and Snoke dying, and they had something beyond a McGuffin chase planned for 9, it would at least have been possible to redeem the trilogy. But all the unanswered questions from 7 demanded that 2 movies took their time explaining them. And that never happened, not within the movies and not in a way that made sense. It felt to me like Rian just wanted to piss off the fanbase, it's one big slap to the face in every way possible.
@@luminatrixfanfiction how can he save them ?? and what about time b4 he even can come those all will be unlive the only reason they are a live is kylo Obsession with luke also even if he come with the ship the first order will strik it down in a sec
@@ryochan9438 It's a grave underestimation to claim that the man who survived the trench run and destroyed the Death Star as a teenager wouldn't have been able to get past a half-wrecked group of Star Destroyers and strafe a line of ATs. If he had done that, faced Kylo and lost, it still would have been far superior to what happened in the film. But of course as the OP stated, Ruin Johnson and Darth Kennedy were far more interested in angering a ton of fans and cementing Rey as the unassailable heroine of all time. I didn't understand much of what you said about the time at which he'd be able to get there, but considering how fast and loose the sequels played with timescales I see zero problem with his X-wing and its Class 1 hyperdrive getting him to the planet in time.
@@luminatrixfanfiction I agree with everything you say about Rey. I hate all the movies she is in and Darth Kennedy's work. Darth Kennedy ruined Star Wars far worse than the Sith could ever hope to!!
After Anakin turned, got burned up and whatnot, he was the husk of a man. I don't think his spirit ever "grew" as Vader, in the sense that the Dark Side is inherently destructive, degenerative, and not at all in line with the "true self" that Luke reminded him of in ROTJ. So Anakin's 20-something self could be where his spirit reverted back to, as that was where he had lost his way. I've also seen people mention how Luke wouldn't recognize Anakin as a younger Ghost. I disagree, as Luke is connecting with the Force while perceiving the Ghosts. I don't think it far-fetched to say he could just know that this was his father.
Darth Sidious died by the hands of Anakin Skywalker on the second Death Star. The only cannon in Star Wars is what comes from Lucas. Episodes 1 through 6 and the Clone Wars. Everything else is just fanfic. And in the case of Disney extremely bad fanfic! DISNEY AND KENNEDY'S VERSION OF THEIR SO-CALLED STAR WARS IT'S NOT STAR WARS AT ALL!!!!
I mean I get Hayden Christensen needs the money and hasnt had a job in years. But why does he keep doing these sheet cameo roles. Its like they paying him just enough to humiliate himself. At some point isnt your pride worth more. I can't imagine they paying him bank for bit parts.
Tython was actually the home of the Je'daii, a Force tradition dedicated to Balance before their members began polarizing towards either the Light or the Dark. So, not quite the same as the Jedi Order.
@@idiocrat3744 - To an extent. The Je'daii were much more prone to experimenting with the Force than the Jedi would end up being. But the Sith would share their curiosity to see what the possibilities were. Some Je'daii practices were precursors to what would later become Sith Alchemy and Sith Sorcery.
@@daniels7907 That's true, but mostly because the Je'Daii were the ones who discovered the force, they just *had* to experiment in order to learn what powers could you achieve by using it
@@idiocrat3744 - Actually, no, there were other races that learned of the Force before *somebody* (presumably Celestials) sent out the Tho Yor (you see one in the Mortis story) to collect candidates from younger races throughout the galaxy and bring them to Tython. These peoples learned about the Force from the Tho Yor.
Well technically with anikin being the most force sensitive in starwars I can see him being a force ghost for a very long time unfortunately there are many variables to this due to the fact George Lucas gave us a world for interpretation but also its unfortunate when it comes to fact lore its about people who have money which sucks but I take it like this if ot makes sense it does not mean its not cannon due to the fact the multivurse is a factor to any story
Meh, i dont like this. Its just a lame way of excusing Disneys shitty writting in the sequels and their hesitance to have luke be relevant in future stories as to not outshine their garbage characters. Anakin showed up at the end of return of the jedi and it makes no sense that he wouldnt show up to Luke and prevent him from making the same stupid mistake the jedi did.
So Anakin doesn't have enough power to see his son but can visit Ahsoka in another galaxy in my opinion the Anakin dream in Ahsoka series was just that a dream
This is really cannon anymore but that was most definitely anakin in the wbw u can see this in his fighting style the way he kicked ashoka so far which he should be powerful enough to do since he had to use the Vader suit and ashoka said she wouldn't fight him he said he heard that before reference to return of the jedi
@@jacorienrobinson4555 if she was in wbw then how did Jacen feel her thoughts through the force he wasn't there but as I said it is just my opinion I don't think she was or that it helped the story
at the point where he's helping ahsoka Luke didn't need help at the time. So anakin helps ahsoka. then he helps luke when he needs it but eventually i guess uses up to much cosmic force to save luke and that's why anakin doesn't appear to him again before luke dies. he did save his life after all. i'm sure between ahsoka and luke he appears to them both multiple times but we haven't seen all the possible stories yet anyway
I think since Filoni is now diving deeper into the mystical side of the Force more, these concepts need to be fleshed out rather than rectonned.
Anakin wasn't strong enough yet. He needed time to recover. But when he's in world between worlds he's immensely powerful. I think this is very good explanation. May the Force be with you too
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May the force be with you always master skyguy
@@rachelprighel4409 may the force be always with you too :)
He appeared to Asoka in same timeline before TFA, right?
@@emk120 yes
We all know the real reason is because showing up to frequently would hurt the drama. And Skywalkers always do the most dramatic thing possible in a given situation.
Nah he coming to Ahsoka to get that Togruta booty.
@@jeremiahkivi4256you do realize that they symbolize a brother sister relationship right so that’s kind of weird
@themagicgamer69magic4 step togruta why are you stuck in the washer?
@@jeremiahkivi4256It may be time to take a break from the internet
It's a joke. One I think is dully witty. But on brand for us Game of Thrones fans as well.
What had happened is that after Luke saved his father, Anakin could have appeared he would have but he let Luke find his own path which is the real design, of the force and Anakin saved his son because Anakin felt Luke needed his help, and Anakin is the only one with the power to fight that power the darkside was sending, plus Anakin owed his son for saving him and help Anakin get to the position he is at now.
We don't know if Anakin Skywalker visit his son numerous times or not. I would like to think Anakin Skywalker visit Luke Skywalker often. Like Ahsoka. But this is off camera and not written. Great post
You got me dude
Yeah it was pretty much establish in secrets of the jedi that Anakin alongside Obi Wan and Yoda guided Luke to the years he rebuilt the jedi order until he disconect himself of the force .
Why doesn't Anakin's ghost visit Luke more often? Easy....the cost of de-aging is too expensive for even Disney's pockets.
Why didn't he appear to his grandson, who was making the same mistakes that he did?
@@daniels7907or Luke tell the story of Anakin and how the darkside is a trap and you’ll never achieve what you truly want. I swear the just ignored the prequels & Anakin on purpose or they didn’t really understand Star Wars. Personally I think it’s a bit of both.
@@daniels7907 Maybe Anakin Skywalker did but Luke Skywalker cut himself from the force like when Qui Gon was around Obi wan but was never seen until the end of the series
@@ThesonofAJR_edits - Yoda got around to appearing to Luke in TLJ, regardless of being cut off from the Force. It's like a strong wind. You can try to pretend it's not there, but it can still blow you away.
@@ajclannachan - Honestly, if Anakin could pull Ahsoka into the World Between Worlds and even appear to her there as corporeal, then he should have at least been able to have a chat with Ben/Kylo and with Luke. Although it is true that Jedi are notorious Boomer parents who ignore it when younger people seriously need advice and guidance.
You forgot to mention one little thing. Anakin is a Jedi and Jedi are supposed to avoid attachment. When he got too close to Padme it allowed a sith to manipulate him. This remains true after death as he still exerts influence on the universe, especially as the chosen one. The relationship between a Jedi master and apprentice is almost sacred to the Jedi and they are not even supposed to have children at all. This is why I think he appears so much to Ahsoka and continues training her compared to Luke.
He actually continued to guide Luke (who even felt his presence in the force alongside his former mentors after the Exegol 'thing') and also helped him rebuild the order along them and such 'stuff'.
So overall it really seems like he was also there for Luke and passed on like wise and helpful things
@@miekeradow1191the jwdi are wrong for having that rule . And it's why Luke was the opposite and allowed and wanted his jedi to have families. Because that is the real purpose for life. Ans it's helps with getting new jedis and ones that are strong in the force having attachments are goodn Luke proved all of that when he started his new jedi academy
@@jermf35 why did he make Grogu choose then?
@@jermf35 Then why did he want to kill Ben, even though he was strong in the force?
all Force Spirits should be infinite. i don't like that they can be depleted and destroyed. it would be soo cool for Anakin, Obi-Wan, and even Yoda to appear 200+ years in the future to help some wayward Force user on their path and they'd initially have no idea who they are. then they'd remember them from the historical holos and texts realizing they are in the presence of Legends.
I consider them to be anyway. Just as I don't accept much of what Disney has amended or retconned in the last near-decade they've had the rights to the franchise. Among other things, the "bleed a crystal" emo nonsense is inferior to the alchemical, synthetic process the Sith used to create saber crystals originally because it better spoke to their nature of doing truly unnatural things. Anger, pain, etc. are natural emotions. Stealing a Jedi's crystal and turning it red is incredibly weak by comparison to literally making your own out of necessity, followed by spite after many generations.
I believe this happened in the canon book Shadows of the Sith. And it (along with this video) provides a good in-universe explanation for why Anakin never appeared at any point in the sequel trilogy aside from his voice cameo in The Rise of Skywalker.
We just need to erase the sequels and anything cannon to do with them
Amen
Just want to add that Ahsoka is kind of like the Daughter since she gave her live for Ahsoka. and with Anakin pretty much acting as the new Father maybe that connection plays into why he can come to Ahsoka like he did?
Hmmm, I wouldn't say that. Their relationship is more of a sibling rivalry than anything else. It's weird to call a father "Skyguy" or a daughter "snips". They had a strong bond but also a bit of a healthy good natured ribbing that is more line with siblings.
Appreciate the comment but you've missed what I meant. I meant the gods of the living force. You know the father, the son and the daughter. Not that they're relationship is like that of father and daughter.
@@dust7972 I see.
*Anakin realized Luke was heading down a path he couldn't follow.*
Luke: Because of Obi wan
@@ThesonofAJR_editsObi-Wan taught Luke how to get the High Ground. XD
@@ThesonofAJR_editsBecause of what you’ve done, what you’re plan to do. STOP, STOP NOW, I love you
@@padmeSkywalker LIAR
@@ThesonofAJR_edits NO!!
Anakin just went to get some milk from the store
Pack of smokes
Nah, dudes white, he just moved down the road!
Your thoughts and explanations, along with possible options make a lot of sense. Since we didn't really know what the actual form of the Father is, it's hard to say what Anakin is at this point in time. We do know, the Father, Son and Daughter could present themselves as fully formed human and other species on a world with a force well spring, or very strong nexus such as Mortis. At a location which isn't strong in the force, Anakin may be limited to being a force ghost other something else. The fear of Anakin's power, along with access to the WBW makes him a bigger bad ass than his kid!
Well chosen subject. Right now (before the next series of movies) is a great time to discuss what Luke has/will be doing. Disney adding into canon as much as they can from legends really is necessary to save their own face. I also believe Disney understands it was a mistake to make Luke the babysitter of Ach-To. Yet it is a done deal and must make the best of it.
One way to rectify it some, is to have Luke "disappear" on many of the adventures from legends then adding their own spin and means of plagiarism to explain it all. Which in reality, is what Disney has done since Walt began the company.
Thank you for sharing this. It clarified some things I was thinking about.
please make a video on explaining the meaning of yodas vision and the duel in between yoda and palptine in clone wars season 6
Anakin showing up in Ahsoka made my year! 🤯👍✨
And NEXT OTHER star wars fan 😅❤
This works as an explanation so long as it is used consistently and not as oh we need a reason for now.
That actually made sense bro 💯
Anakin was chillin' with Padme
Padme was never a Force Ghost. It doesn't matter whether she was Force sensitive. Only Jedi with the strongest souls and rigorous training, could become one. After she died, her essence became one with the Force; but unlike a Ghost, her self and identity ceased to be.
There IS no reunion between Anakin and Padme. Her death was absolute and final, and something Anakin has to live with forever. Nothing Disney churns out can override the significance of that.
@@Abeo93bro’s the joy-police lol
@@John-xf7ft Lol, i guess i jumped the gun there. i'd seen a bunch of "They'll get together again" posts and took it too serious. my bad!
Anakin finally found the power to save his loved ones from death.
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We all know the true answer is Disney made terrible sequels and didn’t include anakin as a ghost and seem to hate luke
I love this lore! I can’t wait to see how they will tie it all together!
Will be
The Chosen One is the Father & I love it
Actually Tythonn may still be the birthplace of the Jedi. Achto is only said to house the first Jedi temple but that doesn't mean the Jedi were formed there.
Anakin stopped appearing because Padme said: “No. Enough is enough.”
I agree. Anakin can't tell Luke everything. Its akin to Dr strange not telling Tony in Endgame. If strange does tell him, it won't happen
Anakin needs to visit his son more. After all Luke needs love too.
I think anakin was in shock after sensing palpatine on exegol
In sequel It was because Disney still not sure how the fan will react to the come back of character that so criticized in negative way in the past but then they start to know people mind changed. We gonna see more Anakin/Hayden soon. It's business
Dave just showing how good he is again , creating new stories but staying faithful to the lore. We love you Dave and thank you ! 🙏 Johnson , Kennedy there is a cliff jump off it ! Lmao 🤣
Yeah, I'm looking forward to his story about Ahsoka during the OT. Or his story about Luke during the Ahsoka series. He has written himself into a corner now, because he couldn't kill her on Malachor. The World Between Worlds is, narratively speaking, like a bomb waiting to go off. At the very least, it removes all the stakes because anyone can just be saved like Ahsoka was, should the writers ever decide for it.
Yes I love ❤️ the twist going on I can’t wait too
Staying faithful to the lore? He steals the bits he likes and would make his pet characters overpowered while completely trashing the principles and concepts needed for things to actually make sense.
Like he stole thrawn, made him incompetent, and then made the entire imperial remnant hinge their whole resurrection plan based on the assumption he could still somehow be alive, without knowing he survived the space whale thing? Then had him call out to the NIGHTSISTERS through "time and space"? Not to mention the New Republic scrapping star destroyers while simultaneously complaining about not having enough ships to control the mid rim 😂
Yeah, I'm sure Zahn is really proud of how Filoni is staying completely faithful to star wars lore by making thrawn, the remnant and the new republic completely and utterly incompetent.
Filoni's only good work was as the "corrects people on what's canon and what isnt" guy. As a writer he's talentless.
I never thought star wars content could ever dip below the sequel trilogy levels, but filoni has definitely done it with Mando s3, Kenobi, and Ahsoka. Bravo!
Who wants their dad’s ghost popping in all the time talkin shit like “that’s not how we did it in my day” or “you know you need to clean that every few years or it will go bad”, even if he is right.
I think force Anakin did know about palpatine but didn't tell luke on purpose
not out of spite but because things are meant to unfold as the would
The Force is The Force and shows us the form we wish to see. The image and the mannerisms/personality are just The Force giving us the form we will be most receptive to. When we die, we become part of The Force. There is only The Force.
i dont think anakin is limited by power.
I think that anakin saving both ahsoka and luke is an example of him breaking the balance
he does have a bias but it comes from consideration of others although hes not meant to affect the living
Next to superweapons, an being a Galaxy dominating, Super Psycho Sith Psychopath.. Palpy sure has an odd hard on for Skywalkers don't he???
An the way Ghost Anakin blasted them.. you'd think he attended Hogwarts too an they was outta wands that day. So they shrugged an taught him to use his saber instead.. Now that'd be a weird franchise crossover.. bet Force users would be surprised by non Force Sensitive seeming to them to be a sorta oral an wand waving type of Force Users.
I think Anakin needs to revisit his son
Anakin needs his own show Vader is the biggest part part of Star Wars and has not series which would be awesome more work for Hayden
Questions: 1. When, if ever, was Ahsoka told that Anakin was redeemed? Did Luke tell her when he was training Grogu?
2. For this "chosen one" thing ... cannot the force kinda take a mulligan? Force makes Anakin to be the chosen one, but then stuff happens and he goes all dark. Cannot the force just make another "chosen one"? Whether it be Grogu, Rey (ick) or what not?
Question 1: I assume she learned during the collapse of the empire. She would have heard that vader and the emperor were dead at the hands of the gang (luke, Leia, han, chewwie, lando) and maybe at some point met and talked to luke before we see them do so in BOBF.
Question 2: the force is basically god and could do whatever the fuck it wants
@@mappingshaman5280 So Q2, I agree with you. So maybe Anakin was the chosen one, but he kinda fucked up, went all emo & shit. So the force said "ok, let's try this again" and gave us a new chosen one?
Was Obi-wan so senile in RotJ that Joda had to tell him that "There is another" meaning Leia, Obi-wan was there when they where born and actually went on a quest with the Youngling.
The quest with young Leia obviously had not been written back in 1977 when the movie was made. How is this lost on you?
Ya this isn't a very good point. Because of Disney's writing we know Luke and leia were not the only hope. Ahsoka was around. Kanan was around. Cal was around. Grogu was around, Etc.
@sleptonitsundays9531 what made them the only hope was that as his kids they were the only ones who could ever bring Anakin back to the light. And Anakin was the only one who could get close enough to Palpatine to stop him
@@thahotkidd that would be a valid point, except at no point in the original trilogy do Obi Wan or Yoda express interest in turning Anakin back to the light side. Only Luke believed this was possible and that's part of what makes the character of Luke so special.
@sleptonitsundays9531 I actually agree with you there. I think when Yoda and Obi were referring to Anakins kids being the last hope what they meant was they were the only ones who stood a chance against him and the emperor because of their chosen one blood. But their plan was never going to work that way. Everyone who goes up against Palpatine ends up turned or dead, and it wouldn't have been any different for either of the Skywalker twins.
Any Anakin is good Anakin
I would absolutely agree with your summarization. I want the whole Luke exile story destroyed without mercy, but I expect coal in my stockings
But isn't it also stated that Anakin constantly continued to guide Luke alongside Obi-Wan and Yoda? So he must've appeared more often. Also isn't it implied somewhere that they talked like multiple times? I'm so confused now... And also scared what they'll do to him. :(
(Btw. I mean in canon, not Legends.)
I mean also after the Exegol 'incident'. I mean it's at least said that Luke still felt Anakins presence, even up to 'The rise of Skywalker', so it's clear that Anakins 'consciousness' was still around and watching over him.
Yeah. Luke mentioned it in Secrets of the Jedi. We just haven't seen it on screen yet.
"It was here" that Disney stole more ideas from Tolkien 😂
Luke knew deep down that Leia was his sister😮
and in all actuality it's because he was to busy ingratiating himself to Ashoka
We're you find all this star wars stories I can't find them like you?
Jedi ghosts are like Google. The knowledge is there but you got to look it up. Obiwan only confirmed with a force ghost Google search.
The last part could’ve explained the entire video tbh
If only Luke found Sidious on Exo-gol.
anakin is just to powerful
i dont think anakin would refuse to visit luke as often as the others because of master apprentice. maybe it could have something to do with being vader at one point
What do you mean?
I wish padme and anakin reunites in canon
That would undermine the impact of Padme's death. There was a permanence to it. Death is irreversible. And that is what makes life matter so much.
You could say Luke carried part of Padme in him, and was the New Hope. So in that sense, Padme returned.
Galactic Child Support was on Anakin's ass.😂
I 💯 agree with this theory
I think shadow of the sith was a great book and would've made a better movie than any sequel.
To be fair Anakin as he is currently is just too powerful, if he could visit Luke or whoever whenever he wanted imagine how boring that would get, as at the end of the day he could just show up and solve the problem.
Luke🕳 did not knew that Anakin was not a #TDBank💳 card holder, which is the reason he stopped appearing... 🌎💘💰
it needs a retcon
Nine Sith wraiths? Oh please, Ringwraiths anyone? Imitation can be flattery, but in this case it just looks lazy to say the least!
If Disney makes it..... it is not cannon because they don't care about the ip.
I believe in the original good cannon and extended universe.
9 wraith priests...... its the DreadMasters
Didn't Anakin's force ghost appear to Leia, or was that just in Legends continuity?
Very funny mate
I believe that you give disney too much credit. They neither want Luke to be the hero he was meant to be nor know how to tell a good story.
Nah, a dad has a responsiblity to teach his kids.
Canon isn't what it use to be... Personally I don't even take episodes 7 8 9 seriously.
I stick primarily to Extended Universe and only except certain things from the new content. Rogue One, Andor, Clone Wars and only snippets from the rest.
Sounds like a good way to maintain your sanity. I might end up there as well, considering the way things are going.
In my version of the sequel trilogy anakin's force ghost appears to Luke a lot. Along with Obi-Wan (Alec Guinness) and Yoda. They even welcome him into the Netherworld of the force in my version of the second sequel movie at the end. Where you get to see force Ghosts of the jedis from the prequels.
I miss when Luke was a humble bad ass in the EU.
I love the many ways people dance around the fact that in saving Luke Anakin became THE balance in the force that he was always meant to be...
Oh hold on let's have an irrelevant theory about this. Why not that? How about this other barely slightly relevant fact.
Funny that this imperfect oh so terrible but in reality best piece of star wars media in decades gave you the inkling to fire off random irrelevant theories about nothing isn't it.
*That wasn't aimed at you Stupendous Wave 👍
Anakin's redemption arch, in my opinion, was not enough to make up for everything he had done as Vader. Right before he dies, he does the first morally right action he's done in decades. To me, that's the equivalent of a serial killer on death row showing no remorse until he's about to receive the lethal injection and claiming he begged for and received forgiveness from Jesus. It doesn't just erase all the atrocities he had committed before those last moments of life. Anakin was a ruthless monster as Vader while he was the Emperor's enforcer.
And he never would have been accepted back into society if he had lived. His life was over, and he knew it. His sacrifice has built into it, the acceptance of that fact. What he said to Luke, "You were right about me," was for Luke and Leia's ears only. The freedom he found was spiritual, not societal.
I hate what Disney did to Luke Skywalker. That is all I have to say.
Shadows of the sith to me was a book full of miss potential. It was an interesting read but really felt more like the sequel to a story they actually wanted to tell. The Anakin cameo was fun and at the time was the reason I even bought the book but honestly between the writing style and story it was honestly one of the least enjoyable books I have read in current canon. In fact I read it and the obi wan Padawan book back to back and almost completely fell off of reading Star Wars books because both were mediocre in my opinion. To be fair to both of them I think I just wanted more than what they ended up giving me with shadows of the Sith. I wanted a story of Luke and Lando, being bad asses, and with the Obi-Wan Padawan book, I wanted the story of Obi-Wan meeting Satine. Luke and Lando might as will be a footnote in the shadows of the Sith book as they really only shot for about a third of the book and it’s really more focused on Rey and her family leading up to her being left on Jakku. The Padawan book on the other hand was just a very lackluster YA book with plot points and conflicts that had already been addressed in other media. Frankly, the only piece of interesting information that came out of that book to me was seeing Obi-Wan and decks meet.
Legends show how strong Anakin was, yet Disney cucked all the Skywalkers. Books, TV series, and movies show how there was no general storyline or history.
Maybe little ani knew Luke didn’t need him.
Its bc the "NEW" Canon SUX and is complete pandering trash, and despite what the critics say, star wars fans have no anger towards women being the hero, we only recognize that HEROS should be like Leia and not Mary Sue plot contrivances to make all that came before look like "idiot cowardly men"
Is starkiler going to apera and Anakin go out to kontakt him?
Yeah when you think about it its would be cheating x2. If anakin could jump back and forth between dimensions and physically change things at will.
He certainly can, he just doesn't do it.
From what we've seen in The Last Jedi (and I hate to give the Sequels more credit than they deserve) projecting yourself using the Force is very very intense and draining as Luke died after projecting himself in front of Kylo Ren
It's possible that Anakin appeared after Rey left and he convinced Luke to take a stand and how to project himself so far. Anakin needed time to recover after such a powerful act, but he managed it, but he is already part of the Force and could recover. Luke was not and it used up all his life force to do it, or much of it and he used the last of it to see his sister one last time and apologise for failing and it used up all his lifeforce and he passed into the Force, using teachings he learnt long ago, or Anakin taught him when he appeared to Luke.
You're making excuses for bad writing. All Luke had to do to save Leia and Rey was to force lift his x-wing fighter out of the shallow waters like Yoda did on Dagobah and get it running again and be on his way to planet Crait to save them. All this force projection was unnecessary and an attempt to kill off a character that overshadowed Miss "Force is female" Rey.
@@luminatrixfanfiction Killing off both Luke and Snoke in 8 made sure that 9 was gonna be a trainwreck. Especially considering that they had no story to tell. That's why they had to resort to bringing Sheev back, screwing up George's story. If there was a purpose behind Luke and Snoke dying, and they had something beyond a McGuffin chase planned for 9, it would at least have been possible to redeem the trilogy. But all the unanswered questions from 7 demanded that 2 movies took their time explaining them. And that never happened, not within the movies and not in a way that made sense. It felt to me like Rian just wanted to piss off the fanbase, it's one big slap to the face in every way possible.
@@luminatrixfanfiction how can he save them ?? and what about time b4 he even can come those all will be unlive the only reason they are a live is kylo Obsession with luke also even if he come with the ship the first order will strik it down in a sec
@@ryochan9438 It's a grave underestimation to claim that the man who survived the trench run and destroyed the Death Star as a teenager wouldn't have been able to get past a half-wrecked group of Star Destroyers and strafe a line of ATs. If he had done that, faced Kylo and lost, it still would have been far superior to what happened in the film. But of course as the OP stated, Ruin Johnson and Darth Kennedy were far more interested in angering a ton of fans and cementing Rey as the unassailable heroine of all time. I didn't understand much of what you said about the time at which he'd be able to get there, but considering how fast and loose the sequels played with timescales I see zero problem with his X-wing and its Class 1 hyperdrive getting him to the planet in time.
@@luminatrixfanfiction I agree with everything you say about Rey. I hate all the movies she is in and Darth Kennedy's work. Darth Kennedy ruined Star Wars far worse than the Sith could ever hope to!!
Why does Vader die and old man and come back as a young man force ghost? Sebastian Shaw is the only ghost I want to see lol
After Anakin turned, got burned up and whatnot, he was the husk of a man. I don't think his spirit ever "grew" as Vader, in the sense that the Dark Side is inherently destructive, degenerative, and not at all in line with the "true self" that Luke reminded him of in ROTJ. So Anakin's 20-something self could be where his spirit reverted back to, as that was where he had lost his way.
I've also seen people mention how Luke wouldn't recognize Anakin as a younger Ghost. I disagree, as Luke is connecting with the Force while perceiving the Ghosts. I don't think it far-fetched to say he could just know that this was his father.
Day 279 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
were were rohan in the battle of yavin xD
It's because his ghost was too busy inspecting girl's restrooms in naboo.
Trust me this is canon. My dad works at nintendo.
Darth Sidious died by the hands of Anakin Skywalker on the second Death Star. The only cannon in Star Wars is what comes from Lucas. Episodes 1 through 6 and the Clone Wars. Everything else is just fanfic. And in the case of Disney extremely bad fanfic! DISNEY AND KENNEDY'S VERSION OF THEIR SO-CALLED STAR WARS IT'S NOT STAR WARS AT ALL!!!!
I mean I get Hayden Christensen needs the money and hasnt had a job in years. But why does he keep doing these sheet cameo roles. Its like they paying him just enough to humiliate himself.
At some point isnt your pride worth more. I can't imagine they paying him bank for bit parts.
Tython was actually the home of the Je'daii, a Force tradition dedicated to Balance before their members began polarizing towards either the Light or the Dark. So, not quite the same as the Jedi Order.
It's closer to the Jedi, considering that the Dark siders were the ones who seceded
@@idiocrat3744 - To an extent. The Je'daii were much more prone to experimenting with the Force than the Jedi would end up being. But the Sith would share their curiosity to see what the possibilities were. Some Je'daii practices were precursors to what would later become Sith Alchemy and Sith Sorcery.
@@daniels7907 That's true, but mostly because the Je'Daii were the ones who discovered the force, they just *had* to experiment in order to learn what powers could you achieve by using it
@@idiocrat3744 - Actually, no, there were other races that learned of the Force before *somebody* (presumably Celestials) sent out the Tho Yor (you see one in the Mortis story) to collect candidates from younger races throughout the galaxy and bring them to Tython. These peoples learned about the Force from the Tho Yor.
Disney shitting themselves there
Or he's been busy being a mortis god post death. Just sayin
Canon is legends lol
Well technically with anikin being the most force sensitive in starwars I can see him being a force ghost for a very long time unfortunately there are many variables to this due to the fact George Lucas gave us a world for interpretation but also its unfortunate when it comes to fact lore its about people who have money which sucks but I take it like this if ot makes sense it does not mean its not cannon due to the fact the multivurse is a factor to any story
The real is because disney is sadly incharge of starwars
Disney Canon is so bad. Thankfully Legends tells a much better story for Luke.
I think its because Luke cut himself off from the force when the Ben Solo incident happened
Nine rings given to men, who desire power above all else. Oh wait, wrong franchise. Carry on.😊
Meh, i dont like this. Its just a lame way of excusing Disneys shitty writting in the sequels and their hesitance to have luke be relevant in future stories as to not outshine their garbage characters. Anakin showed up at the end of return of the jedi and it makes no sense that he wouldnt show up to Luke and prevent him from making the same stupid mistake the jedi did.
So Anakin doesn't have enough power to see his son but can visit Ahsoka in another galaxy in my opinion the Anakin dream in Ahsoka series was just that a dream
This is really cannon anymore but that was most definitely anakin in the wbw u can see this in his fighting style the way he kicked ashoka so far which he should be powerful enough to do since he had to use the Vader suit and ashoka said she wouldn't fight him he said he heard that before reference to return of the jedi
That happened before this
@@jacorienrobinson4555 if she was in wbw then how did Jacen feel her thoughts through the force he wasn't there but as I said it is just my opinion I don't think she was or that it helped the story
@mkb4560 but at the same time she didn't know what the world between worlds looked like until then
at the point where he's helping ahsoka Luke didn't need help at the time. So anakin helps ahsoka. then he helps luke when he needs it but eventually i guess uses up to much cosmic force to save luke and that's why anakin doesn't appear to him again before luke dies. he did save his life after all. i'm sure between ahsoka and luke he appears to them both multiple times but we haven't seen all the possible stories yet anyway
talking about the Canon cause I'm pretty sure in legend he doesn't fade away I mean each their own on which one you want to believe in or trust even
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