Why Rian Johnson is the most selfish Star Wars 'fan' ever (and how Jon Favreau hopes to reunite us)
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Mark looked crushed that people applauded, like the audience missed his point.
Some in the audience laughed when Mark explained that he often said to think of the fans and Rian said no. But yeah a lot of the audience missed the point, Mark was quite low key and professional about it.
@@Izzy8u Deep inside, I bet Hamill wanted to do a real life "hallway scene" on Johnson's skull.
That's because at this point in time, a lot of people were doubling down REALLY hard on the notion of toxic fandoms. When you believe that, you also believe that said fans should never be listened to even though they're what made it a success in the first place.
@@danieldaw1778 Also, the #1 complaint of Force Awakens was it was too similar to A New Hope. So for most people "giving the fans what they want" meant more fanservice, member berries and a rehash of Empire Strikes Back. Ironically enough the movie WAS a poor rehash of Empire just with parts of Jedi added.
They didnt even let him finish his point smh those idiots
I like how Rian Johnson made a movie that was supposed to be divisive by design, but then punished fans for responding in exactly the way he intended!
That's actually a really good point
I'm sure he was expecting some hoity toity argument over the meaning and implications of the movie rather than being called out for being an untalented, egotistical, self-entitled hack trying to push his shitty fanfic.
That's not true. Stop making stuff up. He responded to the hatred towards him and the cast members. Not to all criticism. Stop spreading lies, dude.
@@joyoustye2326 that's not a good point. That's a lie. People here like to spread misinformation and I would suggest you to look up the truth before agreeing with somebody.
@@i-deni-i5138 In a way you're right, but when people didn't like that Rey was so powerful, they were called women haters
Rian: “your Snoke theory sucks”
Fans: “your Star Wars movie sucks!”
@so so part of what makes a franchise great is the community speculating on theories. It keeps them talking about the product. What Rian did was alienate that aspect and thus effectively killed the sequels into become a creative and financial dead-end.
He insults the fans. Claims to know better. Then whines and calls them names when they don't like his shitty movie. It's laughable that he lies and says he is a lifelong fan. I mean his whole movie is a meta-narrative about why he thinks Star Wars sucks.
@so so I read many Snoke theories that were far superior to what Rianne delivered.
Rian: “your Snoke theory sucks”
Everyone with a brain: “your Snoke story sucks. Your version of Luke Skywalker; better known as Jake, sucks. Your slowest space chase movie ever sucks. The minority of people that actually liked your dumpster fire of a movie generally suck as critical thinkers.”
Rian a fan? All I can say that Jon and Dave IS THE TRUE FANS
1:23 Mark Hamill facepalms: "omg this idiots are even clapping for this clown! get me out of here!"
he looks so defeaten.
Kian van den Akker because he is
@@nightmare_1337
They should've listened to him whilst making the sequel trilogy.
That clip breaks my heart. 💔
Just look at Mark's face when Rian is speaking. He surely hates what they did to his character.
I was thinking that. He looks as if he genuinely is trying to comprehend what he is saying and can’t figure out what it actually is
Don't we all?
I totally feel him I had the same face watching the clip lol
aND THE COMMENT.....Dont forget the comment, where he is like dont answer yet, i want to make it clear that RJ has a completely different outlook than I do about the direction of this film..... OK now you can answer that RJ..... go ahead and tell them what you did.
Yes they just dirty worked the old characters,an George Lucas story was just wrecked
Mark: “we’ve gotta think about the fan’s...”
Rian: *takes the microphone from Mark
...
@Jessidiah Springfield so true
GD Tacos and sure, high octane fan service... isn’t always a good thing. sometimes, the cringe is strong with such approaches.
But what Rian Johnson seemed to do, was more like carelessly disregard the ip as a whole.
and that’s something else entirely. And possibly far worse than the most excessive of “fan service”.
@@ally_in_exodus a balance, there must be
It was in Ep 1-6.
He proceeds to shit on George Lucas. I’m sorry but he created Star Wars. It’s HIS vision. To hijack someone else’s vision to make your own piss poor fan fiction is disrespectful not only to him but the fans that supported him.
*Johnson* : walked into Lucas' house, talked shit about his family, criticized the furniture, spoke horribly to their children, got shit-faced drinking all their booze and left without saying goodbye.
*Favreau and Feloni* : showed up with 4 bottles of amazing wine they knew George would love, handed him the newspaper that was lying in the driveway as they passed, helped set the table, did all the dishes, and gave everyone a hug as they were leaving saying "we'd love to host next time".
And when Lucas complained to RJ, RJ got his friends to call him a racist.
JJ Abrams: doesn't even come to the house because it's a "good story for another time" to subvert Lucas's expectations
Is this real?
You've made this up
It’s an analogy
“You’ve got to think about the fans.” “No you have to think about the story.” Well, Rian, you did neither.
I agree with that statement. Fuck the fans. You have to make a movie you think will be great.
Rian is ugly bald booring man who think his opinion about Star Wars is most important. He didnt even like Empire Strikes back that in my opinion was great strong powerful scary movie, that most orginal lovers and prequal haters say its the best Star Wars movie, but he didnt even like Empire Strikes back so how he made his way to get so much power that he had the right to make Star Wars movie?
The only story he told was about his own failure.
@@turnerclassicbastard2082 Yeah, but if the fans don't like it, then it probably isn't great
@@nikotsapaliaris4919 exactly and the whole reason Star Wars is successful is because it’s a classic good vs evil story with a hero main character.
Rian Johnson is that kid in school that sucks up to the teacher, but even the teacher doesn't like him.
Agree and disagree. You hit the nail on the head, that he's that kid that sucks up to the teacher. But in this case , the teacher did indeed fall for it and he got the class project that everyone else wanted. To make matters worse, the teacher also shared his project with the rest of the class and praised it as a good example. Meanwhile we're in the back with a better understanding of the topic and disappointed knowing that we could've done much much better.
@Ian Your probs worse then rian johnston.
Or the kid that gave your GI Joe’s super powers or he-man could suddenly fly.
Depends on who this teacher is. Some higher up obviously thought highly of him at least until after Solo bombed, which forced them to reevaluate things and implement some damage control which ultimately didn’t work out as well as intended.
He's that kid from the cartoon Recess, Randall Weems, the one who is always snitching on the main characters, and telling the teacher that they are doing something wrong.
Jon cares about the fans. Rian doesn’t. End of story. Without the fans, there’s no successful franchise
Favreau laid the foundation for the MCU, one of the most ambitious media projects in history, and the jewel in Disney's crown. That didn't happen by accident.
What about jk Rowling and the Harry Potter problem
He cares about fans. Fans that have different opinions than you
@Lionard Kirsch lol the kind that became a star wars "fan" only after seeing the last jedi
@@AJadedLizard Not really their Jewel. That grandiose title goes to their Renaissance era films...
Damn. Mark was trying his best to warn the fans of what was going on and when they started clapping you can tell how disappointed he was since the message wasn't going through.
Mark Hamill has consistently spoken about how much he loves Johnson's work and thought Johnson did a far better job of The Last Jedi than he ever could, but you people take everything out of context to make him seem like he hates Johnson. If you actually paid attention to what both Hamill and Johnson are saying, you'd realise they're just being loyal to Lucas' filmmaking philosophy: that art is YOURS, and as the artist, you have the right to tell what story you want to tell, and no one has a right for their expectations to surpass your artistic endeavours. This is a tenet of cinema - auteur theory. If you don't appreciate this, you don't appreciate art. George Lucas would say the exact same thing that Johnson said. And if I was handed a Star Wars project, I would repeat and behold this sentiment. You all ramble on about how Johnson betrayed Lucas, or was disloyal to him, but you fail to realise Johnson was the only filmmaker in the Sequels to truly demonstrate Lucas' philosophy and attitudes, and at that, was more loyal to him than any of you are and any of you will be.
I think the idea of making something "for the fans" is something everybody gets wrong, even you and Rian Johnson. The problem of Disney Star Wars is that they didn't write for the CHARACTERS. Luke, Han, Leia, and Rey, Poe, Finn. Both trios were completely wasted because Abrams and Johnson didn't write for them. A story is only as strong as its characters and JJ was too busy "reintroducing/copying" Star Wars and Rian just wanted to "subvert expectations" that the characters simply became puppets to the plot.
In the OT and even the prequels, the story was guided by the characters and their choices. Luke chose to leave Tatooine and go save Leia. Obi-Wan chose to lose to Vader. Han chose to come back and save Luke. Luke chose to battle the Death Star. Qui-Gon chose to escape Naboo. Anakin chose to race for Qui-Gon. Padme chose to fight for Naboo. Not only do these move the plot along, but it informs the characters. Luke puts away his childish dreams and begins living them. Obi-Wan becomes stronger in death. Han becomes a more honorable person. Qui-Gon follows his intuition regardless of others' approval. Anakin wants to help others in any way he can. Padme stands for justice.
In TFA, it's less about choices and character development as it is reacting to a story beat. Rey chooses to keep BB-8 around mainly because if she didn't, the plot would have gone on without her. She runs away from the lightsaber because the plot needed her to be captured. And I know this because in the scene before, Rey was slamming Finn for wanting to run away. Rey gets plot hole force powers because the plot wants her to save herself and fight the antagonist. Poe was supposed to die and its so obvious he's written as a throwaway character and it holds him back from much meaning. Han died because Harrison Ford wanted out and he went back to his smuggling days because Abrams thought it was "cool" and still wanted to copy ANH's story. Luke was written out because Rey wasn't good enough to hold her own in the narrative. If Mara Jade and Admiral Thrawn could become the most popular characters after being written in the EU's first book series, then Rey could do it too. And despite "respecting women" Leia is constantly underutilized by both Abrams and Johnson. I will never understand why she wasn't made into a Jedi. Girl power, anyone? Guess not. A scene of her attempting to avenge Han's death by Kylo Ren's hands would have been golden! Perhaps Rey could have even held her back. But no, she simply keeps her old position because Abrams can only copy others. Finn is the closest thing to a character arc we got, but he ended up so underwhelming. Him being a Stormtrooper has so little impact on the plot that it could be changed to him being the help on a smuggling crew and gets abandoned on Jakku where he meets Rey and BB-8. Nothing about his character needs to change.
What does Rey stand for? What does she do to achieve her goals? Abrams was too focused on the mystery and Johnson too focused on his story to let her answer and achieve that. They tell her what to do instead of letting her choose.
What does Finn stand for? What does he do to achieve his goals? Finn is a coward who runs away before becoming a hero, but that's just the first movie. Abrams and Johnson simply let him screw around the rest of the trilogy.
What does Poe stand for? What does he do to achieve his goals? Poe is here because Abrams needed Han 2.0.
And when it comes to Luke, Leia and Han? They were torn apart because Abrams and Johnson had no respect for them as characters. They were added in for nostalgia points while shoving them aside to make way for the new, boring characters.
You're so very, very right.
This is literally writing 101. How they forgot this, we'll never know....
It's not even really about Rian not wanting to write for the fans, but for himself. It's about him not understanding that what people loved about Star Wars is what George Lucas loved writing himself. That's obviously going to be different to what Rian writes for himself. THAT is why people hated TLJ, because it was too different to what Star Wars had become to a lot of people. Star Wars was what Lucas wrote.
When you're not the creator of the series, you need to listen to what the fans love, because they're the ones watching the new movie. The creator can write for themselves in sequels, because they ALREADY DID with their original material, and people liked it. Replace the creator with someone else, and they still need to write like the creator, or people will turn off the franchise.
I'll never understand how a person can take over a franchise, then decide that things are going to work their way, ignoring feedback, and then complain that the old fans don't like it.
You've put more thought into this post than JJ or RJ did in their whole movies.
Probably the best writing about the ST’s main problem I’ve ever seen. You hit the nail on the head exactly.
Watching Mark Hamill's face as Ruin's talking is epic. Just says it all.
Jay Ferguson 😂 His face is priceless, I’m so glad he didn’t hold back
Mark Hamill is not having it!
Yeah, he always looks horrified to hear what the roundhead says.
You can see every moment of pain and agony. Like he's getting electrocuted by the emperor all over again. Lmao
Not just that, you can see him totally give up when the audience claps. They misunderstand what Mark is (I assume) trying to say and blindly cheer him. There's an immediate "why am I bothering?" sigh just before he lowers the microphone that is heartbreaking to see.
I find it funny that Johnson wanted people to be divided by his film and then got mad about the fact that that's exactly what happened
@Gmail com he likes the debate and discussion I think
Me too, I was always surprised how poorly he reacted to a movie that he intentionally made to insult half of the audience. It was exactly what he wanted. He's a complete narcissist idiot.
It's ironic that he says he doesn't want people to circlejerk one of his movies for being good, then makes Knives Out and you don't hear shit from him about how nobody criticized it.
Divided and hate is something different. He got murder treats.
You see that all the time on Fanfiction sites, teenagers writing a story about sex imagining that people will say: "Oooh, gross! Sex is bad!" then they'll say a witty retort in response, then people will say: "Oh, that was a sick burn! You're so smart!"
Like, I don't think he wanted it to be divisive. I think he wanted to people to hate Rey and Rose so that he could get a bunch of people patting him on the back when he said: "Well, you just don't like women," or he called fans: "Manbabies."
I love how Hammill is just completely pissed off the whole time Rian is talking
*Rian Johnson:* It can't be done, you just can't make a movie you like with a good plot that simultaneously pleases the fans.
*Jon Favreau:* Hold my beer
What Rian doesn't seem to get is that most fans have only one thing on that supposed list, be a good story, and he subverted our expectations by not giving us one.
I laughed out loud when i read this 🤣
Subversion for the sake of subversion(or in this case to fake intellectual creativity) will be remembered as a stain on storytelling and artists in general. An era of egotistical creators demanding blind praise and reverence, then throwing tantrums when met with resistance. A time when self-important faux intellectuals with an undeserved sense of elitism tried to rally their gullible sycophantic fanboys with an equally undeserved sense of moral superiority. A time that hopefully we never repeat.
Except for a lot of people he did.
Much less than that, he just needed to make a good or even passable sequel, he couldn't even do that right.
@@sgtking666 Explain to me why 9 in 10 professional critics gave it a positive review then. Politics doesn't really cut it. Only three other big blockbuster movies that got similar critical acclaim.
Damn mark looks so disgusted listening to rian in that clip
Hahaha yeah
Mark starts going full joker and just slaps Rian with the microphone
Was just thinking the same thing.
Fans were starting to cheer at him saying "you gotta think about the fans", and then Ruin snatches the mic from him before he says too much, and Mark just drops his head like "fuck, here we go again, this sucks so hard"
@@w0bbl3r It sounded more like they were cheering when he said they need to think more about the art and Mark shrugged his shoulders in defeat. May have been reaction lag though.
He really does i feel sorry for him must have been so frustrating, but Hamill was a true professional, he played the character of Jake Skywalker to the letter, just how Rian wanted, and left it to the "audience" to people and most importantly us "Fans" to decide what we all thought, and the votes came in.
The sad thing is that Abrams had the potential to make the sequels decent.
He might not have been the best pick, but Force Awakens showed that he at least had plans set up.
And then Kathleen Kennedy, for no good reason, put Rian Johnson at the helm of Last Jedi and let him go completely against whatever plans JJ had set up.
If just one director with one clear and concise vision was left in charge, the trilogy as a whole could've been something great, but no; it had to be ruined because Disney was too impatient for their checks.
Yeah that’s what doesn’t make sense to me. Like why did they choose a different director for a second movie in a trilogy? On top of that, they had no overarching plan for these movies. That’s like writing an essay with no outline, and having your friend write the middle half, and then you write the conclusion. It’s no wonder the ST is a discombobulated mess.
@@howtoeataham Like you said, i think there's no problem in changing directors if your saga of movies have a definitive overarching plan. Say what you want about the prequels, at least they felt like a trilogy rather than three diferent movies that share the same title
I´m pretty sure that when Favreau joined Lucasfilm, he had a "We have to talk"- kind of conversation with KK.
"See the MCU? I basically made it. Now I can do the same with star wars but I need you to keep your sticky hands away from my work."
@@Jenjak Yeah, Favreau= Chad filmmaker 😎
@@Jenjak He also made the greatest and most beloved Christmas film of the 21st Century: Elf!! 😄
@@martinlopez2816 I didn't know. I need to see that lol
Man, Mark was so clearly pissed off in that vid
I don't blame him. I'd be, too, if my character was killed off like his was.
@@AdultThirdCultureKid1971 also having your cool space wizard character having to milk a space cow probably wasn't fun either.
I was expecting him to scream in the middle of Johnson’s speech “I’m not dead yet!” and stab him with a plastic lightsaber.
The best part was when Mark Hamill tried to lean as far away from Johnston as possible after successfully refraining from slapping him for comparing himself directly to George Lucas
Mark Hamill has consistently spoken about how much he loves Johnson's work and thought Johnson did a far better job of The Last Jedi than he ever could, but you people take everything out of context to make him seem like he hates Johnson. If you actually paid attention to what both Hamill and Johnson are saying, you'd realise they're just being loyal to Lucas' filmmaking philosophy: that art is YOURS, and as the artist, you have the right to tell what story you want to tell, and no one has a right for their expectations to surpass your artistic endeavours. This is a tenet of cinema - auteur theory. If you don't appreciate this, you don't appreciate art. George Lucas would say the exact same thing that Johnson said. And if I was handed a Star Wars project, I would repeat and behold this sentiment. You all ramble on about how Johnson betrayed Lucas, or was disloyal to him, but you fail to realise Johnson was the only filmmaker in the Sequels to truly demonstrate Lucas' philosophy and attitudes, and at that, was more loyal to him than any of you are and any of you will be.
This is why Jon should be in charge. I know people think Dave should be but Dave needs to be a creator and Jon needs to be the head guy
I agree with that statement
Plus, Jon has the clout and personality to lead things. Dave seems like a timid guy and doesn't have the Hollywood cred like Jon.
Jon and George Lucas Producing, Dave and Jon Writing, Deborah Chow and Taika Waititi Directing films from now on
@@hp9351 and kennedy as a figurehead to keep the feminists in check!
Deadpool or a assistant
If Johnson wanted to just make a movie “for himself” he should have realized that the middle of a trilogy is the worst possible place for doing so. The middle of a story, even one as underdeveloped as JJ opened, is the most critical part. It’s where we should have been learning about our characters and world to make us fully invested in everything going on and excited to see how it ended.
Instead, he made a slow speed chase, denigrated every character (except precious, precious Rey) to hype his newly introduced ones, almost spitefully refused to make an explanation for plot threads set up before him, had everyone act as incompetently as possible, and shrank the already tiny scope of the conflict even smaller just to push out some bizarre spiels about war profiteering with space horses. Even that would be forgivable if he’d bother to have said anything meaningful beyond “war profiteering is bad” before it was all forgotten when they left, accomplishing nothing.
The problem as I see it is that somehow in recent years being “creative” equates in some minds (Rian Johnson being top of the list) to actively trying to piss off fans. There is LONG list of art that managed to be creative, wasn’t created to satisfy some imaginary checklist, but did actively divide people.
The Mandalorian is a perfect example. I doubt there were few fans that had “Boba Fett knockoff and Baby Yoda go on an adventure” on this so called list of things they wanted. It has no classic characters, it has a prominent female character, it played a bit with the lore, but it didn’t spit in the face of a significant chuck of the audience. That’s why it’s a massive hit and The Last Jedi ended up causing the next two Star Wars movies to be financial disappointments.
Jon Favereau knows how to connect with the average person in a way that most directors don’t, that makes him special, a great director and a hell of a lot of potential to lead Disney hopefully soon!
Jon is not a director but he is a really good producer and a visionary leader. He was the producer of first half MCU movies if I am not mistaken.
CORRECTION: "Jon Favereau knows how to connect with the average person in a way that most".... people do not, " that makes him special, a great " Person and a great "Director and a hell of a lot of potential to lead Disney hopefully soon!"
@@TheRagog you are thinking about Kevin Feige, not Jon Favereau.
"He puts himself in his own movies but you don't mind because he seems like the kind of guy who'd help you move if you asked him."
@@vashythewabbit8288 Yeah, I just looked up in IMDb and he was executive producer of Iron Man and Avengers movies. I don't know why but I mistakenly remember him as a producer for Cap America and Thor movies too. I should have written it down after looked up. Sorry.
Marks words say one thing. His face and body language say another
The contract that bound him did have terms. He followed the letter of them, but allowed his face to show his real feelings.
Like Rains bullshit is physical bringing him pain.
It makes me proud to see how excited Mark is posting about the series, and how equally excited all the fans are. Balance restored.
Favreau was pretty dead on about “reading the room”. I think that’s what made the Lucas movies work. He told the story he wanted to tell, but he still had room to put in the most minuscule of Easter eggs for the dedicated fans
Just look at Marks body language as he shifts away from Johnson.
I still feel so sorry for Mark Hamill...Johnson did him and us dirty
Kato Ho Ten Soeng LMFAOOOOO MASTERPIECE
@Kato Ho Ten Soeng Nowhere near the level of a Masterpiece.
@Kato Ho Ten Soeng I agree on some levels, i love what they did with Luke, Snoke and Rey, but i did not enjoy the Finn and Rose plot line. Rian is a great director though, just look at Knives Out.
@@generalgrievous4592 One or 2 good movies, does NOT mean that he knows what he's doing when telling SW stories. TLJ was so bad, I STILL haven't seen TROS. That film was just unwatchable.
@@ChromeWheelz1977 don’t. TROS was even worse.
And this is why Rian Johnson will never get his trilogy...
I'm frightened to think WHAT his trilogy could be about. He stated it would occur in an unknown, different galaxy, have not much of a connection to The Force or The Jedi, and that there would be no familiar characters from the universe in any of it. Wouldn't that just be a generic Sci-Fi movie, with the moniker of STAR WARS attached to it?
@@anthonyyoutubefan7567 didn't one of the leaks states that Rey would be a master in a new Jedi Order ?
@@MrRaphaelLippi Can't wait to see Rian undoing JJ's movies if it's connected with the skywalker saga (though by this point, it isn't a Skywalker saga anymore)
It’s interesting because when I saw Knives Out, it was quite enjoyable. I think it’s clear that Rian Johnson’s directing style just doesn’t mix well with the story and mythos of Star Wars
@@darianartman I still refuse to watch Knives Out out of spite despite hearing good things about it. And I think Rian's philosophy and ego doesn't mix well with someone else's IP. Much like the narcissism of several other directors/writers/producers of popular franchises in the last few years.
Rian: "No, we're not going to do what the fans want."
Fans: Didn't like that
Rian: *Surprised Pikachu face*
Hey Thor Skywalker,
I would point out one glaring difference between Johnson, who dares to invoke Lucas’s name in his defense, and Lucas himself. This is an issue that has plagued all the movies that have come after Return of the Jedi and even some story lines outside the movies! The real reason why Lucas’ films appeal to such a wide fan base is crazy simple, he took a very deep dive into universal human mythologies, interweaving the rise and terrible fall of pride that is the story of Anakin (Prometheus and many, many other similar stories), then the hero’s journey of Luke to rise to become the person he was meant to be and finally the redemption of Anakin by Luke celebrating the power of love to conquer all. There are no such epic stories being told in any of the First Order/Resistance sequels so they fall flat EVER TIME!
Johnson is totally dead wrong about Lucas! Lucas did loads of research and talked with icons like Joseph Campbell, because he was completely dedicated to creating a powerful, moving, saga. He desire was to tap into the human ancestral memory of such basic and super powerful stories that have shaped us as a species and retelling them in an epic space opera. Johnson, in contrast, has zero vision except to comically toss such epic story line right off a cliff (genius, NOT!). He either hasn’t done a stitch of homework on what inspired Lucas to create the original movies or he simply don’t care. Instead like some head strong teenager Johnson thumbs his nose at what had come before but instead of giving us something better (a new take on an epic mythology), he begs us to let go of the past (which he has already shredded), only to punk us by saying ‘no really, you should remembrance the break pieces of the franchise.’ It’s truly just a big FU to both Lucas and the fandom!
In short, Johnson is a stunningly cynical no talent who, and like Kathleen Kennedy, has ZERO vision going forward for Star Wars. They both act like they are enjoy burning the franchise to the ground because they can and in their eyes it needs change! Yet clearly should visionless people should not be leading the charge!
In stark contrast, what Favreau gets is the need for clear epic stories! The Mandalorian is a remake of the epic Western, which itself is a retelling of the hero’s journey, in this case the rise from his dark past to embrace the life of a hero who saves those in need! I honestly doubt this epic mythology is lost on either Favreau or Filoni, they know an epic story when they see it and only desire to elevate to the dizzying height that is Star Wars epic story telling!
Man, Mark Hamill's contorted, brain meltingly confused face....
Priceless
Spot on. All I can say is: Favreau for president of Lucasfilm and Filoni for story director.
@Gaius Wyrden Provided no evidence. Absolutely wrong.
@Gaius Wyrden what are you on about 😂 he altered things to fit the medium (which was an animated kids show). He left out all those alterations in the mandalorian because it's not directed at little kids.
He knows what he's doing, trust
George for advisor on world building?
@@skull1161 Absolutely! 😃
Rian Johnson for janitor
The whole "Lucas made movies for himself" thing isn't even "mostly true" imo. You have Dave Filoni who points out that Lucas very much cares how the fans feel. He intentionally says to remember to give the kids hope. Star Wars, for Lucas, has always been about the kids. Giving them a sci-fi fable to enjoy and learn from. He doesn't just make movies he wants to make, he makes them to they'll be received well and enjoyed by the audience, as evidenced by him selling to Disney after years of fans ripping apart the prequels because, and let's be honest here, the general fans didn't know how good they had it.
Jar Jar wasn't horrible, but he overstayed his welcome in the first movie. If he was in it a little bit less, or the whole Jar Jar is a Sith Lord fan-theory was true, then people would have been fine with it. FIloni even explains why Duel of the Fates was SO important and how it really builds to Return of the Jedi. The prequels were good movies, but they were made for parents who grew up on the originals to take their children to see. They weren't made for the 30 year old man-children with Funko Pop all over their home. And for that purpose, they were awesome. I remember being a kid and LOVING the prequels at the time, if not a little bored during the trade negotiations stuff in the first one. As an adult I rewatched all 3 of them and they really held up, honestly. Jar Jar gets annoying, but the trade-talks are super important to understand what's happening in the galaxy. It sets up an entire civil war for Palpatine to be the character he needs to be. The point being, George did make the movies for his fans, but he made them for families, not man-children. And when those disgruntled people took to the internet to tear them up, we were all left with the sequels, made by people who weren't fans, despite what they claim. Kennedy literally said they had no source material, because she clearly didn't even know Legends existed. Nothing in Last Jedi showed Johnson was a fan of the saga. And Abrams just did his best to rehash A New Hope without understanding that his hero should have weaknesses because he clearly didn't understand one of the things that makes Luke great is that he wasn't perfect. He had to grow and become a Jedi through hard work that he didn't always want to do. He wasn't just given the Millenium Falcon and magically know how to fix it and wield a lightsaber without ever trying before.
Yeah Rey was so damned unrelatable. She was harder, better, faster, stronger than everyone else the whole time. I LITERALLY shook my head in the theater when she bested LUKE SKYWALKER in a lightsaber duel. She should've received some much needed character building in the form of a good ass kicking dished out from the most powerful Jedi ever.
What Ruin forgot was that this wasn’t his movie. George Lucas started Star Wars and a specific outline for what it should be, Ruin wanted to break the mold by doing his own thing when he should have been just adding a new piece to Lucas tower Of cards instead he brought it all down
Johnson wanted to leave his mark on Star Wars and succeeded at the expense of the fanbase, Favreau has a long way to go to repair the damage Roundhead did.
He left his mark on Star Wars like the Black Plague left its mark on Europe.
@@fattiger6957 instead of Black plague it's more like WWII.
It's always easier to destroy than it is to create. To lose trust than to build it. It can be done, but it's going to take a while, I agree.
I'd say he left his mark at the expense of the story.
The thing about the prequels is, the story was good, and all the Clone Wars has to do was fill in the gaps, but with the sequel trilogy it’s all just so bad and disjointed, the whole story sucks and makes no sense. I honestly don’t think there’s a way to recover from the sequel trilogy. They ruined the future Star Wars. All we can do now is live in the past, with shows set around the OT like The Mandalorian. What’s the point in going into ST territory
Rian Johnson believes himself a genius. He almost said it in that long hair clip .
When you learn more about John Favreau you realize what an incredibly talented and good person he is. He wasn’t always as known as much as some other writer/director/actor/producers out there but he is definitely one of the finest. Better than the ones who seek the spot light for sure.
Lucas did a lot of things for fans. The difference was he was like a dad trying to give his kids what they wanted as long as it was good for them. Like he's willing to buy them pizza as long as they don't eat too much and eat healthy food later. We see this all the time like how he wanted Yoda to confirm Luke's parentage in Episode 6 because he was worried some kids didn't believe Vader. He also wanted Yoda to live for the kids but people talked him out of that.
He even did this in the Prequels. He said he made Yoda fight because he knew fans wanted to see that and he made the lightsaber duels (especially Anakin vs Me) as awesome as possible for the same reasons.
The point was, everything he did was in service of a story he was trying to tell so he could make kids love and enjoy it. He was not afraid to go against Hollywood and convention to achieve this either, he had conviction in what he was doing and always thought about how the story and how the audience would process it.
Rian Johnson, hoever, is the kind of guy who never give his kids pizza, even once in a while. He never gives them candy, or ice cream or anything good. He doesn't even give them spinach or anything of nutrition. He deliberately give them the most bland and flavorless food all the time just because he can and he doesn't want them to be happy. It's his lame food or no food at all.
Lucas listened to fans, Piett returned in Return because of that
"Though not originally intended to return in Return of the Jedi, fan mail supporting the return of the character convinced George Lucas to rehire Colley once more and write several new lines of dialogue for him."
That's the great thing about Lucas, he had his artistic vision and that came first, but he also knew when to throw the fans a bone and that he was making a product for people. I feel like with J.J. Abrams he completely sacrificed any artistic vision to pander to the fans and with Rian Johnson his artistic vision was to the detriment of the entire project known as the Star Wars Saga.
I did not know that. Nice!
Well, Piett actually dies in Return of the Jedi, which I don't think the fans were expecting. That being said, putting a minor character like Piett into the movie that was a fairly simple request.
@Gaius Wyrden lets be real here. its ok to dislike the OT, but anyone who dislikes it is not a Star Wars Fan
Haha nice! I had no idea. I love Piett.
I just watched the most recent Behind the scenes episode of The Mandalorian and it just shows how much those people Love Star Wars and the Fans. Jon Favreau's cabinet of creative directors need to oust the current Star Wars Filmmakers because they get it. Best part is Mandalorian is a Hit!
@Gaius Wyrden what? That makes no sense. It's a story about a bounty hunter, not the Empire, so why would they portray the Empire as the good guys?
@@MrMah-zf6jk I'm beginning to think Gaius is Ruin Johnson himself. He's a troll.
Scroll through this comment section, and he's out there, immaturely pushing any button to see if we'll give him feedback.
I think the moment that encapsulates Rian's bungling is when in that behind the scenes snippet he's giving direction to Mark during "that" milk-drinking scene and Mark just glares daggers at him and Rian is like "Yeah just like that" or something not realizing that Mark wasn't "acting", his face was literally roaring at the utter humiliation.
And here we are, 5 months later and Rian has exposed himself as someone who has no idea what this story is. Actually thinks Vader and Anakin are two different people
George Lucas says contemplatively, explaining "It's like poetry. They rhyme." Rian Johnson says with a bitter tone of disgust, "It's like poetry. They rhyme...I hate poetry." Kathleen Kennedy says "You're hired!"
I don’t understand Disney. For such a money hungry company they make horrible business decisions. Do they actually think that alienating the people that pay them for their product is a good plan?
They make stupid decisions precisely because they have so much money; they can afford to be idiots.
Yes, yes they actually __do__ think that alienating the people that pay them for their product is a good plan.
I don't think it's Disney, they are just the money pile. It's Rian, Kennedy and people like that. They are ruining franchise. Rogue 1, The Mandalorian and Clone Wars S7 proved that Star Wars can flourish under Disney, they just need some actually competent people calling the shots.
Omago I agree but it’s still Disney’s fault for hiring the idiots in the first place and letting them get away with making bad content
@@starwrs3468 kennedy was assigned her spot by lucas and part of the deal he signed with disney was she kept that spot. There was a theory that this was done so lucas could still influence the movies and franchise for the outside but i don't know if that bit is true.
The fact that Faverau is so level headed and wants to make star wars great, is the biggest red flag that Disney will stop at nothing to get him out of Star Wars.
I feel so bad for Mark Hamill, he constantly tried to warn us about the last jedi, but everyone and rian johnson kept cutting him off
I’m sure Johnson would’ve done fine doing independent films. Problem is that he took that mentality and imposed it on the Star Wars universe. It could even be argued that TLJ would be a perfectly fine film if it was a standalone sci fi movie. I can’t stand this attitude he has toward the fans BECAUSE it’s Star Wars. I might even agree with his comments OUTSIDE OF THIS FRANCHISE. Just don’t bring that BS into something that was established and engraved into the hearts of multiple generations of diehard audiences. This is the wrong time and place to play with those concepts. Follow the damn rules or get outta here!
Even an anthology film set well away from anything related to the main 9 films would be okay, provided he had oversight from a lore specialist - mind you, if he'd had that oversight then TLJ would have had a filter.
@Gaius Wyrden I wouldn't call them perfect by a long shot. But they needed only a few things fixed. HUGE things, but only a few.
EVEN if it was a standaloen Star Wars movie it would be much more likely likely to be better received, BUT when you put his movie in the context of a trilogy or even in the context of THREE trilogies he absolutely fucked things up for the overarching story. The movies before him left a bunch of threads to build off of, he shit on every one of those by subverting just to subvert and laughed at people for caring about them and left no where to really go for the third and final movie. Even if it was a standalone movie, I still think that the overruse of comedy like your mom jokes, the ignoring of classic tech in Star Wars in favor of WW2 style bombers in space, the plots that go nowhere, the awful scenes like Snoke narrating his own death and the Finn and Rose kiss scene, and the other many problems would be an issue but they wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue if this was its own standalone thing.
@@samwalters1 agreed entirely
You know something wrong when someone who doesn't believe in story and/or worldbuilding in favour of the filmmaking process is put in charge of working on a very story-heavy, continuity-dependent franchise.
1:20 - the funniest part is some people clapping, as if Hammil was congratulating Ryan, and not denouncing him.
It breaks me heart hearing those fk faces clap.. they don't get it
I explained to my mother why we were frustrated with Johnson attempting to re-invent the Star Wars saga, how he wanted to take things in a completely different direction, and she responded with a metaphor that best captured our frustration: “DON’T CHANGE MY COKE”. Look what happened there.
"We gotta think aboutthe fans and he said no we gotta think about our story and our movie"
*Cheers and clapping*
So this is how Star Wars dies, with thundorous applause...
Watching Mark Hamill in that interview breaks my heart. 😭
It is often said that people should make art for no one but themselves. And I think that is true to some extent. But, I dunno, if what pleases me alienates the fanbase of the established franchise that I am trying to break into, maybe the universe is trying to give me a sign here. I fundamentally cannot understand the mindset of someone like Rian Johnson. If I was commissioned to direct a Star Wars film, the LAST thing in the world that I would be thinking is, "how do I make Star Wars do what I want it to?" Instead, I'd be thinking, "how am I going to do right by Star Wars and its legacy?"
Being an artist myself (musician) I get what you mean by making art for the artist. The important difference for me at least in this case is: Johnson isn’t what I’d call the artist in this case. A good analogy would be that Lucas was the architect and Johnson the builder, or at most an interior decorator tasked to work on only one specific room. But he went and tried to shake up the foundation and then wondered when the house came down around him. I mean, the Renaissance artists like Michelangelo, Leonardo, Boticelli etc. didn’t paint/sculpt/etc. all their masterpieces themselves, some of that work was done by assistants. And that’s basically what Johnson was in this case, someone who was hired to work on someone else’s design.
@@smintili Just to add onto that. J.J. Abrams needed to create a unique room to the House like say a parlor room, but he liked the master bedroom so much he just made another bedroom despite the house already having one and needing a parlor instead. That's how I feel about The Force Awakens. Then by the time you get to the Kitchen the accompanying rooms have been so botched in their design they are no longer capable of making a functioning kitchen.
MrGuvnah That wasn’t what he meant by that I’m guessing...
Your exactly right. Star Wars was not rian a creation it was Lucas, it already had a 40 year legacy. Rian just needed to add to it, instead he wanted to do his own thing.
If we're talking novels or songs or paintings, sure. Make them for yourself. Or even if we're talking about indie film-making. But Star Wars is a collaborative project that was created by someone else, and it's existed as an identifiable thing for decades.
Rian “dude I’m the greatest filmmaker ever, my movies are better than anything Wells made including Citizens Kane.
Critic”WTF your an idiot”
Rian “My mom loves me”
Mom “Rian how many times have I told you to stop lying”
This is the 1st clip of urs I’ve ever watched...What a great video this was, I appreciated how you showed the contrast to John F. & Riahn J. perspective plus adding how RJ basically tried to take the Lucas approach but forgot he wasn’t the OG creator of Star Wars. I used to work in live action TV and the same principle of listening to the people while your performing was fundamental to the success of the show. Great content TS!
Rian Johnson was completely wrong about Russian bots review bombing The Last Jedi. It was obviously K-pop stans.
No it was the rebel alliance and the senators of the republic
@@alumlovescake What about the droid attack on the Wookies?
@@matt455 No one gives a damn about the droid attack on the cookies
@@alumlovescake Depends. If they're oatmeal raisin, they deserved to be attacked.
Nope just Manbabies you sExIsT!
Man, that Mark Hamill's reaction always breaks my heart. I wish, Jon and Dave took the project with episode 8 and 9 and George as an advisor.
LOL. I know others have probably noticed this as well, but I love Mark in that clip as his eyes look Rian up and down from behind, as if he is seriously considering for a moment just punching the man in the back of the head. But then I get sad, seeing how this whole thing is kind of crushing Mark as he sees them all cheering Rian on. Poor Mark, we love you man. Sequel movies be damned, that love for you will never change.
Y'know, Little Johnson only says he's a Star Wars fan. But, how does he back that up? He tears down the original trilogy to prop up his ONE movie. I find it funny that he acknowledges the passion of the Star Wars fans and especially how nasty some of them can be. Given what I've heard about his interactions with Star Wars fans in the past, I'm guessing he means that he's had and or started some arguments that he lost, which would explain why The Last Jedi plays out like a hate letter to the fans and the franchise itself. Honestly, I wouldn't put it past him to take the job to direct a Star Wars movie JUST so he can slap fans in the face, because he is a petty dick (hence my nickname for him). How apt that The Last Jedi has a sequence in it that involves gambling and Kathleen took a gamble on an inexperienced director and lost (as I see it).
Good on Favreau for understanding good customer relations. He gets it. Little Johnson is just out for himself.
Indeed. The guy made three movies before he was handed Star Wars. That's a great accomplishment but how does that qualify you to undertake such a big franchise?
Mark’s body language speaks volumes.
The thing that bothers me the most when Mark Hamill says Rian would insist they didn't have to worry about the fans but rather the story of his movie is that it's clear Johnson wasn't thinking about the story. For better or worse, JJ Abrams had established the trajectory of the story Rian Johnson was now going to tell. Johnson's task was to take what had come before and build on it. Instead, he just threw everything out the window and started telling a brand new story that feels almost totally disconnected from The Force Awakens. I honestly wouldn't mind seeing a Rian Johnson trilogy where it's all his vision. But what he did in The Last Jedi completely tanked the sequel trilogy.
How did Rian throw everything out the window? It is JJ who had the hero of the first trilogy disappearing with no ability to track him while the galaxy went to hell and with all the Jedi except Leia dead. That meant Rian Johnson had to explain Luke abandoning all that he fought for and his entire family. His explanation of what happened to Luke is the most plausible, given the situation. People give JJ a complete pass for Luke's trajectory, and it is total BS. What happened to Luke is on JJ. Rian redeems him in the end, and I don't think you could make a new era for Star Wars without killing all the protagonists of the first. Rian gave a free slate for where the 3rd film could go and opened it up for elements that much of the fans would enjoy (grey Jedi, the Bogun, and actual character arc for Poe and Finn), but JJ couldn't help messing up the final story with masturbatory fan service and an incoherent plot that attempted to retcon away The Last Jedi. Luke's ending echoed Obi Wan's but in a nuanced way rather than JJ's crude fan service.
People forget that Empire was also subversive and reversed expectations, but because it was only the second film, fans were okay with it. Also, for the record, George never gave a crap about the expanded universe and said as much. He made the stories he wanted to make whether the fans liked it or not--see the prequels and midiclorians.
@@GlassActivist Not sure where you got the impression I don't think JJ Abrams is a hack of the highest order. Like I wrote before, I would have liked to seen a trilogy that was just Rian's vision, but that's not what happened. He was supposed to follow up from the first movie, but TLJ feels like it could be in a completely different trilogy*.
Rey's parentage is the premier example of how this ruins cohesion in the sequel trilogy. TFA sets up this idea that there's some mystery to who her parents are. Then, TLJ tells us, "They're nobody." I wanted Rey's parents to be nobodies from the get go, but Johnson just made all the groundwork about who this Rey girl really is a waste of everyone's time. Sorry, that's bad storytelling. Even worse when Abrams goes and reverses it again.
That said, what does George Lucas' feelings about the expanded universe have to do with anything? Oh, and you can "no true Star Wars fan" me on this, but I think the idea of grey Jedi is stupid.
*This gives me an idea. Disney should have Abrams make a replacement film for TLJ while Johnson makes replacements for TFA and TROS. Then we get two trilogies that are the individual visions of each director.
It’s like Ryan you aren’t George and Star Wars is not a pet project.
I feel so bad for Mr. Hamill. Seeing his reaction in that clip shows how upset he is about the new trilogy.
Just look at Mark's face when Rian is saying all that non-sense😥😣
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@@luans.40 ???
How can RJ be a fan? No fan would butcher Luke like that.
I've done all I can. I never spent a penny on this stuff, and I've never recommended it to others. The money it made says many others did.
Except, he didn't butcher him. But He did make him act out of character.
@@raam726 lol, that in and of itself is character assassination.
Like what?
@@TheN1ghtwalker like in every way imaginable. That wannabe nephew murderer who abandoned all responsibility was not Luke Skywalker.
They should mark Mark Hamill the creative director. He knows Star Wars inside out and knows what the fans want.
To this very day I've watched TLJ only twice. First viewing was in the cinema (hated it) and then once again when it was released. I tried my best to understand and enjoy the ride but it'd just freaking awful.
A few years back I got absolutely slated for saying Rian Johnson has no respect for the fans and how he ignored serious concerns from key actors (Mark Hamill) - Rian Johnson should never have had full control over the story, why did they even agree to that? 'This is our movie' F#CK YOU Rian, seriously! Huge incredible opportunities were lost and these sequels could have been something truly special but sadly for me it's done nothing but stain the saga. I know that I don't speak for everyone and that's cool, I'm delighted if you enjoyed the sequels, I envy you!
Thank Zeus for Rouge One, Mando and yes, even Solo in regards to live action. Don't let Rian Johnson anywhere near Star Wars.
Rian and all these TLJ defenders seem to think thinking about the fans means pandering fan service when it literally just means to write a story that will be satisfying and entertaining for the fans.
Or the „defenders“ have a different view on Star Wars and you can’t except that
or maybe the defenders actually understand the movie?
@@MrRaphaelLippi so what about the movie do you "intellectuals" understand that the average person doesn't?
@@luans.40 Or one group of people is expecting dissatisfaction with the films and the other is insisting that they not just should, but must like it because of what it represents rather than what it is.
Who defines what a good or bad story is? Whether TLJ is good or not is completely up to an individual's interpretation of the film. Also I think a lot of people misinterpret what Rian said. He's not saying he doesn't care about the fans, he's saying that he was more focused on making the movie. When watching a movie you're not just watching for entertainment, you are going on the journey the director wants you to go on. TLJ is simply what Rian envisioned the next movie in the sequel trilogy was going to be, you can't exactly fault him for bringing his vision to life. The prequels were Lucas's vision as to how Anakin became Darth Vader, just as much as TLJ was Rian's vision on what came next for Rey, Finn, Poe, Kylo, Luke, and Leia. It shouldn't always be about what the fans want when making a film, in fact that was one of the reasons as to why Lucas left Star Wars. The backlash of the prequels led him to believe that he couldn't be creative with the franchise anymore. Lucas said the movies wouldn't have been any fun to make if he couldn't do what he wanted. I hope when Rian makes his trilogy, that he doesn't limit himself because of the backlash from TLJ. You're fine to disagree with me, thanks for reading my comment. :)
This is the exact thought I've been having for a while. If you're making art purely for yourself, for "artistic freedom" or "devotion to the craft" or whatever, and you aren't selling it, then sure, you can defend your art and inform people where their thinking was flawed. You made something for you, and they don't understand it like you do. HOWEVER, when you make a piece of art with THE INTENT TO SELL IT, meaning your goal is money, revenue, and NOT artistic freedom, then you don't get to tell people who spent money on your product that "they're wrong". You're not making a product for yourself. You're making it for others. Fans are the ones paying, so when they say they don't like the product they received, you better listen if you want them to keep shelling out cash for your art.
1:22 so this is how Star Wars dies, with thunderous applause
the 87 dislikes are Rian Johnsons braincells
Bold of you to assume he has that many
And you didn't even get to the quote by Johnson about how he doesn't put any thought into worldbuilding when telling HIS story.
3:11 Mark's face is one of the best things I've ever seen.
The thing Ryan misses is that there's a middle ground where you take into a count what fans are looking for when you develop the story rather than ignoring it or basing it off fan ideas.
The thing I love most about the prequels is that they show hot terrible A New Hope nearly was.
Nobody expected the film to be successful. It would have been a small miracle if the film broke even. Lucas himself has repeatedly stated that A New Hope was "saved in the editing room." It took the input of his wife and other talented people to fix A New Hope into a box office juggernaut.
In an alternate universe, a young George Lucas made A New Hope exactly how he imagined it back in the 1970s, and it was a total bomb!
That is something all creative people, especially filmmakers should keep in mind when they want are more concerned about their vision than collaboration.
“It’s not my job to please the fans. It’s my job to please myself, as a fan. And I think that the best way to do that is to divide the fandom.”
And so he left his mark... Just why
Basically, yeah.
@@DrBreadstick well, when you put it like that, yeah? The sequels were kind of just shit out
jesus christ kathleen you're letting this man almost single handedly destroy the biggest franchise in the world
@@spar7acvs he’s succeeding
I love how confused Mark looks the whole interview with Rian. Especially when he said to start off with “you have to think about the fans” and then Rian is saying that Mark said “you have to think about your movie”😂 smh
that's not confusion. that looks like disappointment/anger
edit: and disgust
One thing I don't understand.... Johnson claims to be a star wars fan. So why was he so insistent on changing everything about star wars? If this is a fan's ideal star wars movie, then it should feel like a star wars movie, not some generic space movie.
Subverting Expectations 101
Hi Thor, I love your passion for Star Wars, and your content on old canon and new! I've always been a Star Wars fan, but recently I've been getting more and more into it, in spite of the newer movies. I've written a Star Wars fan film that I'm animating, which involves an older Jedi taking on an apprentice (who can already wield a lightsaber.) They don't speak the same language, so a part of the story involves passing some kind of token, or trading scraps of cloth, or some kind of trinket, to symbolize an agreement taking place. This would be a symbolic gesture similar to being knighted, but with a visual artifact, like Anakin's padawan braid in AOTC. I would like to know if there is any precedent for this kind of gesture in either new canon or legends that I can use as a reference.
Keep doing ya thing!
I just finished watching the last Galleries and loved watching Favreau talking about the Star Wars lore deep homages in the Mandalorian. The Kenner Troop Transport made real in the Mando? That's awesome! Favreau not only gets it, I think Disney gets it that he get's it. There might be hope...
@Gaius Wyrden ?
Jon helped make the first iron man movie that made marvel fans love iron man way more then before. That should be enough to tell you that this man knows his stuff.
Happy!
@Cara Salusc marvel ruined Iron man 2.
He made iron man human. Even to someone like me who never even heard the words "iron man" until that movie come out. Now? I'm a die hard MCU fan.
@Cara Salusc I LOVE the guardians movies. James Gunn did a great job bringing a whole new crew and style to the mcu.
You forgot about the article by 'Bounding Into Comics' that covered how Rian Johnson didn't care about SW Canon and history. Multiple videos on youtube also covered the article. Basically, the guy admitted that he couldn't care less about what came before or after in the SW mythology. It was always only about him and his movie that he believed belonged in a vacuum or its own universe. I cannot think of a worse person and/or mentality for someone making a film in a trilogy.
Rian Johnson is not a fan of star wars, he is a fan of himself.
Why not blame the people that hired Rian when supposedly he went in to pitch for his own trilogy, seperate from the Skywalker story, and they hired him to make the middle act of the Skywalker trilogy
Oh trust me, people are
Films, just like the Force, needs balance.
we have one trilogy that everybody loves (OT)
One that still loved, but bashed by some at the same time(PT)(good in bad/bad in good)
And the one that hated by most (ST)
sort of balanced from a certain point pf view
@@emberfist8347 Lucas summarized balance as "yin and yang".
Blake Tyson this balance thing i said is not based on the balance in star wars
i tried to make a ying-yang approach here
just look at how Mark wipe his face when the fkers claps their hands. He is like shaken to the core. Those ppl are really horrible
Not in actual defence of Rian - but considering some old rumors about "RoS" production, sometimes it seems to me that Rian is a scapegoat, like Abrams with 9th episode. Disney tries it's ways, but they need a person who'd take all damage and bad reputation, while they continue to search for a good recipe to milk fans' money. And no Rian no Abrams could say anything against it - since they're binded by contract.
I believe Johnson was selfish and Abrams was just incompetent. How he managed to trick the fanbase into beliving he knew what he was doing, when The Force Awakens' "mysteries" were very clearly there because Abrams was utterly clueless about where the story was going, I shall never know.
He clearly expected whoever made the next movie wasn't a fricken idiot which shouldn't have been a problem but the person who should have been making sure this was a success has no idea what she was doing given the magnitude of the mess TLJ resulted in.
Pfft, as a Star Trek fan I already knew he was gonna fuck up Star Wars somehow. To be fair though, TFA isn't anywhere near as terrible as Star Trek 2009.
@Gaius Wyrden Pretty sure from what info floating around that I've come across, Abrams had a number of boxes to tick from KK and Disney corporate, so much of this is also their (esp Iger and Kennedy's) fault.
My best friend and I took 1 hour and came up with a much better story line for a trilogy. In the end, it's KK's fault that she and the people under her didn't even take 1 hour to come up with a story line for a trilogy. If they had, the bs of Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams couldn't have happened. There was NO PLAN for the trilogy AT ALL! That's the real problem. Rian is just a symptom of that problem.
Basic rules if you are making a sequel ( especially in a big franchise like Star Wars)
You are NOT on your turf
You follow the rules
Don’t pretend that everything that came before never happened
Well lets not pretend Disney gave any more of a shit about this Trilogy than Rian did. I mean lets be honest
@@jiggycalzone8585 KK sure didn't.
Then there's no point making a sequel. There's no point making the same movie over and over again.
from a business standpoint, Rian is for indie films, because you want something divisive and Favreau is for more big-budget commercial films because you want something everyone can enjoy
The curtain is going up. The *entertainer* is taking his bow. He does his dance step and sings a song, even gets *all the audience* to sing along.
Yes he knows just what do, knows how to *bring down the house* when he's through.
With snappy patter and jokes, he knows *what pleases the folks*. The Entertainer: the Star of the show.
Johnson is to Favreau what an "artiste" is to an entertainer.
Everytime I see that clip where Mark talk about telling Rian to think about the fans, it brings tears to my eyes. He looks totally defeated and it breaks my heart.
I applaud JF's subtle shadethrowing right there. Ruin Johnson could use some ego deflating.
So could a LOT of writers/directors/producers in the last few years who have been blaming the audience for their failures.
He needs a lot of it and a good curb stomping with his punchable ass baby face.
Ruin Johnson hahaha
Where was ghat attitude when he was making Iron Man 2?
Rian Johnson's voice is like nails on a blackboard
What makes the midichlorian issue even worse is that they actually debuted in one of the 90s books (one of Kevin Anderson's?) to much derision from fans. So *someone* involved with the prequels should have known they weren't a good idea already. And I also remember, in the months leading up to the opening of The Phantom Menace, in the midst of all the excitement, there was some worry as we started getting more info on the character of Jar Jar; some of the people who worked on him apparently thought he was really annoying.
what happened to the battle of heroes and villain character?
It's still very much going on. The last week or so I've just been super busy (with the Sequel trilogy project after putting out the casting call) so I haven't found the time to sit down and read through all the comments, which generally takes quite a bit of time.
It’s all good take your time, i’ll always support your content. 👍
How would you be worried if everyone liked a movie?
It should also be noted that George Lucas _did_ in some ways yield to outside pressures even in the original trilogy; the ending to Return of the Jedi was originally going to be much more bittersweet with Han dying, & Luke disappearing to find his sister (who wasn't Leia at the time). George ultimately changed the ending to be happier because of pressure from things like the toy industry, & most fans consider the ending we got out of that decision to be perfect.
I agree with you that Favreau is, from a certain point of view, continuing the legacy of the original trilogy. On the other hand, we should also think that when there was a need to re-invent a genre and create a movie that is the foundation of an entire universe Favreau absolutely nails it with Iron Man. So I strongly believe that he's the right man to begin a new chapter in the Star Wars saga. My wish is that Disney/Lucasfilm will change the formula, abandoning the "trilogy", looking at the poor results of the last two, and concentrate their energy, both economic and creative, in one movie at the time. Yes, you can have some elements that connect the movies but without overthinking it. Marvel has shown how it can be done with great results making self-contained movies loosely interconnected one with another and usually only in the end or in the post-credit scene. Have a great day and stay safe.