I'm not much of a smash player but I feel like several of these points are applicable to traditional FGs as well. Like combos for instances, while it is true that no DI and percentages makes combos consistent, there are other things that can influence your routing. Counter hits, crouch confirms, corner, meter, weight classes and in some rare cases hurtbox size and your starter can all influence what combo you go into. Tight windows for inputs also aren't a smash specific thing either. Off the top of my head +R has 2-4 frame frc windows and SF4 is infamous for its 1 frame links. There are also other skills that might not have very small windows but are still technically challenging to do nonetheless such as kara cancels or manually timed setups. Like there are definitely certain aspects of smash that make it harder than traditional fighters but it kind of goes both ways.
I make a comment about this, i play both type of games for many years and the size of thing how smash have compare with the tradicionla fighting game is... Quite small, i see meele as a pretth hard game,not the hardest, one of the hardest of course but ultimate? Not even close, aside of the number upmatchs, in a traditionak fighting game there are a ton of mechanics that SSBU, like for real, a lot more
Only melee is really harder than other Fighting games the other smash games are more similar to other Fighting games as far as depth and smash ultimate is easier to pick up sure but it's not just cause the people that are good at melee just understood all the tech but it's that they figured it out and took years to pass the daunting barrier to entry that melee has to become good where as most people that play ultimate aren't gonna do that despite wanting the same status as the melee players. Until you really get good at melee you aren't able and don't even know how to understand how much more complex melee really is than other Fighting games including smash ultimate
I know so many people in the FGC who play multiple fighting games at the same time, but when it comes to platform fighters everyone sticks to their own game and never gets proficient in other titles. It's sad because that means, in terms of raw experience, FGC players are more equiped to more meaningfully compare the difficulty of their games than platform fighter players.
Intresting topic, Only issue i hade with the video is the way you format your arguments, using an example with the " Steve building blocks ( ultimate) and fox rushing you down with 10 inputs a second ( melee clip ) " yet showing clips and from two vastly diffrent smash titels, Melee/ P+ and Ultimate are basicaly destinct enough to be 2 complealty diffrent games or almost game genre , Just with how Tekken being a 3d fighter, and street fighter being a 2d fighter makes them extremaly diffrent in approch, Or tradfighters vs anime fighters, being more groundbased vs almost never toutching the ground etc, So my question is , 1: Do you want to say that smash ultimate is the hardest fighing game , Or that Melee is the hardest, ? Or smash as a whole series , because if its the 3rd option for some reason then you can say that king of fighters would be the hardest game as there are over 15 instalments, totaling more then 80+ charcters, mechanics and changes over all 15 instalments , older games having 0 buffer so all combos or things needs to be frame perfect execution like old special movesin street fighter 1. etc etc, (this is comming from somone who has compeated in both , 3d, 2d, and platfighters for like 15+ years,
Hardest is melee. It really is scrappy. But only for fox and marth. Everyone else is braindead easy. In that case, Ultimate actually requires balanced fundamentals. So its harder if you exclude fox and marth.
@@SuperSwagdood have you ever actually played melee? this comment is so braindead. sure fox is the most difficult but marth isnt even close to the second hardest, falco, yoshi and sheik are all harder top tiers. melee requires the same fundamentals as ultimate and on top of that you have to learn to L-cancel, Wavedash/waveland, Ledge-Dash, Amsah-tech, ASDI, shield drop and thats not even including character specific tech like fox/falco waveshine or Yoshi's perfect parry
ñ comentario: creo que estabas bastante mal en algunos puntos ,smash no es el unico juego donde los escenarios importa,puedo poner el ejemplo de tekken,donde los wallbreak y los floor break,aparte de el tamaño de los campos generan distintas y variadas situaciones no solo de combo si no de presion,tekken 7 sin ir muy lejos tiene todos sus campos como legales en torneo,lo cual bueno,son bastante mas que los campos legales en smash por logicas razones,juegos como DOA y Virtua Fighter y hasta MK comparten esta caracteristica. Segundo,los jugadores de smash siempre hablan de el movimiento como si...otros juegos no lo tuviera,safe jump,wave dash,backdash,blickdash y me faltan muchisimas son algunas de las mecanicas que smash no tiene por encima de otros juegos de peleas,por la misma naturaleza de el juego en si. tercero,combos?los combos de smash como dices,son mucho mas simples,pero depende de el match y el porcentaje de vida,los combos en los juegos de peleas tambien dependende mas cosas que solo bueno,dar el golpe,la distancia a la pared,el launcher donde empezaste,si tienes barra suficiente es un combo,si no tienes es otro,tambien hay maneras de terminar un combo para hacer mas daño,otras para conseguir oki,etc,tambien otro punto a tomar en cuenta es que por el mismo hecho de que el juego esta sumamente desbalanceado,hay personajes que ni tienen combos (la verdad cercano a la mitad de el roster no son capaces de conectar ni 4 golpes seguidos) simplificas mucho este punto diciendo "bueno,en smash hay mas variaciones" lo cual es una total mentira si analizas bien los escenarios. ahora,solo para rematar mi punto,podrias hablar de que cosas smash no tiene y que lo hacen un juego mas facil tambien no? -cross ups -presion en la esquina -en general,los personajes de juegos de peleas tradicionales tienes muchisimos mas movimientos que el personaje promedio de smash,lo cual dificulta bastante mas el match up -comandos -high,mid,low,overhead,grab,command grab y todas las mecanicas que vienen con estas (cosas como fuzzy guard, tick throws,mix ups con ello) - asistentes en caso de algunos juegos,los cuales generalmente vienen con mas mecanicas unicas que ni mencionare por que no soy experto en esos juegos y mas...y mas...y mas,realmente dicho todo esto,te invito a investigar mas antes de un video,en general me gusto,pero siento que no te haz informado al respecto de otros juegos de pelea tanto como con smash,y eso esta bien,notablemente,es tu juego favorito,pero las cosas son de una manera y hay que investigar el plano completo para hablarlas. PD:meele y smash son juegos muy distintos,considerando que muchisimas de las mecanicas en general de melee no se vuelven a tocar en ningun smash nunca jamas,personalmente,yo hablo de melee y smash como cosas totalmente separadas,melee si es un juego tecnicamente dificil y bastante profundo,ultimate es por otro lado,probablemente la experiencia mas sencilla de el mercado,no puedo hablar de ellos como "la saga smash" por que sencillamente son muy distintos el resto de juegos que meele,un saludo y sigue asi
This is omega cap. I would say Melee is among the hardest fighting games but not ultimate. I would say fighting games with the most movement is Fastest to Slowest Marvel games > Melee + Tekken > Meltyblood > Anime Games > Ultimate > SF + KOF > Samsho Taken has almost as much movement as Melee and Mvc games incredibly fast. Tekken combos will differ based on mid screen, whether there's a wall, and character size. Street fighter combos differ based on mid screen, corner, and if there's meter. Ultimate has DI but it doesn't have other things. Ultimate like SF6 just has a lot of competition. It doesn't mean the game is hard rather there's just a lot of hard people to beat.
I'm not much of a smash player but I feel like several of these points are applicable to traditional FGs as well. Like combos for instances, while it is true that no DI and percentages makes combos consistent, there are other things that can influence your routing. Counter hits, crouch confirms, corner, meter, weight classes and in some rare cases hurtbox size and your starter can all influence what combo you go into.
Tight windows for inputs also aren't a smash specific thing either. Off the top of my head +R has 2-4 frame frc windows and SF4 is infamous for its 1 frame links. There are also other skills that might not have very small windows but are still technically challenging to do nonetheless such as kara cancels or manually timed setups.
Like there are definitely certain aspects of smash that make it harder than traditional fighters but it kind of goes both ways.
I make a comment about this, i play both type of games for many years and the size of thing how smash have compare with the tradicionla fighting game is... Quite small, i see meele as a pretth hard game,not the hardest, one of the hardest of course but ultimate? Not even close, aside of the number upmatchs, in a traditionak fighting game there are a ton of mechanics that SSBU, like for real, a lot more
0:03 you are wild for putting that car clip.
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Only melee is really harder than other Fighting games the other smash games are more similar to other Fighting games as far as depth and smash ultimate is easier to pick up sure but it's not just cause the people that are good at melee just understood all the tech but it's that they figured it out and took years to pass the daunting barrier to entry that melee has to become good where as most people that play ultimate aren't gonna do that despite wanting the same status as the melee players. Until you really get good at melee you aren't able and don't even know how to understand how much more complex melee really is than other Fighting games including smash ultimate
I know so many people in the FGC who play multiple fighting games at the same time, but when it comes to platform fighters everyone sticks to their own game and never gets proficient in other titles. It's sad because that means, in terms of raw experience, FGC players are more equiped to more meaningfully compare the difficulty of their games than platform fighter players.
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Unrelated, but hey Eli, what is your favorite era of Kitana from Mortal Kombat?
elijmin i think i foudn u in elite smash were u playing steve today lol
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@@elijmin2 i was a joker i got cooked ggs
Intresting topic, Only issue i hade with the video is the way you format your arguments, using an example with the " Steve building blocks ( ultimate) and fox rushing you down with 10 inputs a second ( melee clip ) " yet showing clips and from two vastly diffrent smash titels, Melee/ P+ and Ultimate are basicaly destinct enough to be 2 complealty diffrent games or almost game genre ,
Just with how Tekken being a 3d fighter, and street fighter being a 2d fighter makes them extremaly diffrent in approch, Or tradfighters vs anime fighters, being more groundbased vs almost never toutching the ground etc,
So my question is , 1: Do you want to say that smash ultimate is the hardest fighing game , Or that Melee is the hardest, ? Or smash as a whole series ,
because if its the 3rd option for some reason then you can say that king of fighters would be the hardest game as there are over 15 instalments, totaling more then 80+ charcters, mechanics and changes over all 15 instalments , older games having 0 buffer so all combos or things needs to be frame perfect execution like old special movesin street fighter 1. etc etc,
(this is comming from somone who has compeated in both , 3d, 2d, and platfighters for like 15+ years,
Hardest is melee. It really is scrappy. But only for fox and marth. Everyone else is braindead easy. In that case, Ultimate actually requires balanced fundamentals. So its harder if you exclude fox and marth.
@@SuperSwagdood r/whoosh moment. missed the entier point of my comment im gussing from the respons
@@SuperSwagdood have you ever actually played melee? this comment is so braindead. sure fox is the most difficult but marth isnt even close to the second hardest, falco, yoshi and sheik are all harder top tiers. melee requires the same fundamentals as ultimate and on top of that you have to learn to L-cancel, Wavedash/waveland, Ledge-Dash, Amsah-tech, ASDI, shield drop and thats not even including character specific tech like fox/falco waveshine or Yoshi's perfect parry
ñ comentario: creo que estabas bastante mal en algunos puntos ,smash no es el unico juego donde los escenarios importa,puedo poner el ejemplo de tekken,donde los wallbreak y los floor break,aparte de el tamaño de los campos generan distintas y variadas situaciones no solo de combo si no de presion,tekken 7 sin ir muy lejos tiene todos sus campos como legales en torneo,lo cual bueno,son bastante mas que los campos legales en smash por logicas razones,juegos como DOA y Virtua Fighter y hasta MK comparten esta caracteristica.
Segundo,los jugadores de smash siempre hablan de el movimiento como si...otros juegos no lo tuviera,safe jump,wave dash,backdash,blickdash y me faltan muchisimas son algunas de las mecanicas que smash no tiene por encima de otros juegos de peleas,por la misma naturaleza de el juego en si.
tercero,combos?los combos de smash como dices,son mucho mas simples,pero depende de el match y el porcentaje de vida,los combos en los juegos de peleas tambien dependende mas cosas que solo bueno,dar el golpe,la distancia a la pared,el launcher donde empezaste,si tienes barra suficiente es un combo,si no tienes es otro,tambien hay maneras de terminar un combo para hacer mas daño,otras para conseguir oki,etc,tambien otro punto a tomar en cuenta es que por el mismo hecho de que el juego esta sumamente desbalanceado,hay personajes que ni tienen combos (la verdad cercano a la mitad de el roster no son capaces de conectar ni 4 golpes seguidos) simplificas mucho este punto diciendo "bueno,en smash hay mas variaciones" lo cual es una total mentira si analizas bien los escenarios.
ahora,solo para rematar mi punto,podrias hablar de que cosas smash no tiene y que lo hacen un juego mas facil tambien no?
-cross ups
-presion en la esquina
-en general,los personajes de juegos de peleas tradicionales tienes muchisimos mas movimientos que el personaje promedio de smash,lo cual dificulta bastante mas el match up
-comandos
-high,mid,low,overhead,grab,command grab y todas las mecanicas que vienen con estas (cosas como fuzzy guard, tick throws,mix ups con ello)
- asistentes en caso de algunos juegos,los cuales generalmente vienen con mas mecanicas unicas que ni mencionare por que no soy experto en esos juegos
y mas...y mas...y mas,realmente dicho todo esto,te invito a investigar mas antes de un video,en general me gusto,pero siento que no te haz informado al respecto de otros juegos de pelea tanto como con smash,y eso esta bien,notablemente,es tu juego favorito,pero las cosas son de una manera y hay que investigar el plano completo para hablarlas.
PD:meele y smash son juegos muy distintos,considerando que muchisimas de las mecanicas en general de melee no se vuelven a tocar en ningun smash nunca jamas,personalmente,yo hablo de melee y smash como cosas totalmente separadas,melee si es un juego tecnicamente dificil y bastante profundo,ultimate es por otro lado,probablemente la experiencia mas sencilla de el mercado,no puedo hablar de ellos como "la saga smash" por que sencillamente son muy distintos el resto de juegos que meele,un saludo y sigue asi
Awesome video
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hey simpleton.
Lol. Only applies to sf6. Yall cant hang with Tekken
Facts
This is omega cap.
I would say Melee is among the hardest fighting games but not ultimate.
I would say fighting games with the most movement is
Fastest to Slowest
Marvel games > Melee + Tekken > Meltyblood > Anime Games > Ultimate > SF + KOF > Samsho
Taken has almost as much movement as Melee and Mvc games incredibly fast.
Tekken combos will differ based on mid screen, whether there's a wall, and character size.
Street fighter combos differ based on mid screen, corner, and if there's meter.
Ultimate has DI but it doesn't have other things.
Ultimate like SF6 just has a lot of competition. It doesn't mean the game is hard rather there's just a lot of hard people to beat.
Smash bros is still easier than Roblox tho
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This doesn't look like Tekken
OH shit he got me
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