It’s funny how it’s a rebodied ZF with a semi-stacked sensor, 6k, 5.7k raw things not present in the ZF I now believe piece choose what they see or don’t see
Хороший обзор, автор говорит свои мысли, а не рекламные клеше. Еще хотелось бы услышать о том, насколько удобно пользоваться видоискателем z6iii после зеркальных фотоаппаратов.
I repeat myself. 30MP or 33MP is not a serious upgrade from 24MP. "MP" are an "area unit". When we discuss resolution, we use a "linear unit": "Dots Per inch" (DPI), "Pixels Per Inch" (PPI) Imagine your 27" display and its 3840*2160 resolution. This has 163 PPI and 8.3MP In PPI, it is only twice as good as your old 27" that gave 1080p (1K): 82PPI and 2.1MP. The PPI predict your experience, the MP predict how much you need to spend on hardware in order to deal with it. 50 years ago in film photography school it was like that, and in printing it always has been like that. If it's not clear yet, print at 300 DPI and you have 300*300 = 90,000 dots per SQUARE inch. Double that to 600 DPI and you get 600 dots by 600 dots = 360,000 dots per SQUARE inch. Linear double gives the (SQUARE of double) per area. There would have been a benefit from a few more rows and columns of photosites, only, if that had made mapping image data to specific video formats easier. Which I did not see coming and rightfully so. The camera needed to position under a potential future Z 7iii and above Z f. This meant it had to become an exercise in motherboard design and choice of chipsets, presuming Nikon would stick to the same CFeTB+SD-UHS-II. The innovation that Nikon came up with overall, is a camera that is closer to the daily life of a working commercial professional, rather than a poser camera like the Z f. The Z 6iii by the way still has an OLPF, so through that it minimises "Bayer noise" and it does some Anti-Aliasing with the OLPF. Yes, it costs sharpness, but the workflow in post can be a bit faster. (All full frame Nikons under 36MP have an OLPF.)
It appears to me that the Zf is the real successor to the Z6ii while the Z6iii is a new class in the Nikon family: Professional photographers that don’t want or need the Z8. Maybe also more videographers. While the Zf is more the „prosumer“ kind of camera. Interestingly enough, the Zf is now reduced in price…
I’m still on the fence due to my heavily invested time and money in Fujifilm and my satisfaction with Zf in most things. Apart from ergonomics and wildlife, as I mentioned in my previous comments, the Zf might be better for me for events and low light and just use Fuji for wildlife and street but I’m torn. I also don’t do video. I’d love to see a Zf and Z6iii comparison. Would you be able to do that?
The Z6 III is the camera Nikon needs to get new user into their system. It gives confidence to user that Nikon listen to them, is also serious targeting about video/content creators and knows the changing market. Nikon proved with this camera they can innovate such as the partially stacked sensor. They thought: - 4K uncropped at 60p - increased the read speed of the sensor - reducing rolling shutter - introduce a fully articulated screen - audio in jack - improved IBIS - improved AF performance You watched only videos of people using the Z8 and Z9, so Nikon user, but not those using other cameras like Sony for video. Check them as the are also impressed with the video capabilities.
A mirrorless camera running a viewfinder at 120 FPS is a high speed video camera. It needs to put raw frames into the image buffer at that rate, "raw process" them, and apply a size reduction, after which the result is sent to the e-VF. Having frames from 1 second before through 2 seconds after, as video around your photograph only means that 3 seconds of frames are held in the frame buffer that are copied to card. Shooting a 10 sec still or a 1/32000 still does not halt this process. Nor does shooting 30 FPS movie.
Was really hoping to see the Z8/9/f style EVF on the Z6III. The lower-profile round eyecup is so much nicer to use, and transport in a bag. I don't like how the 5/6/7 eyecup protrudes out so much (although still less than other mirrorless brands). Minor enough so it's really not a factor, just a functional and aesthetic preference. Flippy - a minus for me although I'll agree it makes sense on the Z6III for the demo it's aimed at. After using the Zf, there are some things I do like about it. That said, give me the Z8/9 multi-tilt style ANY day for photo and yes for video. Overall, I'm super impressed with the Z6III. The semi-stacked 9ms sensor, combined with a mechanical shutter, is a brilliant approach. No pre-order but it's on my wish list, waiting for sales / promos over the next year.
It really depends on what you shoot really. If you shoot real estate and do video, flip out is definitely useful. And you get used to it eventually. I think Sony A7R5 has the best of both worlds apparently! I hope everyone adopts that style!
I don’t understand how some (yes, not all) photographers only see the flippy screen as a downside. It’s as if no-one even considers shooting vertically from a low angle. If the Pentax 17 was digital and had a tilt-only screen, people would be mad. But the Z6 II was the same, except the other way around (landscape instead of portrait). I get that it doesn’t work well with something plugged in. I have a D750 with both a Foolography Unleashed dongle (for geotagging and remote control) and an L-bracket (to protect that dongle against bumps). My hope is that SnapBridge is good enough to replace that. If that’s the case, I’d be very happy to take the L-bracket off. Saves me weight too. And then I can shoot in any orientation from any angle. I do get that people might prefer the Z8/9 screen to this (although that’s quite an… elaborate construction). But only saying what’s wrong with a flippy screen seems so narrow-minded to me.
I like the flippy ut screens I don''t know why some tilt screen fans are so anti the flippy screen? Is it the actual use of it, or the fact that it may be more fragile Do many people break their flippy screens? I have had a D5500 and the Zfc that both have flip out screens (with no problems)
Simple. For me, it has everything to do with keeping that screen IN line with the sensor for low / high angle shooting. Now with the flippy screen, to be fair - this works perfectly fine but in vertical orientation only. The Z8/9 really got it right (for me). It's a subtle thing, but looking at the flippy sticking out / away from the centerline (and also not exactly "flat" / even with the body) really does slow me down when I'm trying to line up shots & horizons.
I dislike flippy screens because they stick out to the side. I prefer an on-axis view. However, I understand Nikon has to win the video and vlogger crowd. I want something for the street and travel, so a flippy screen doesn't work for me.
Yeah, it's like folks already said. Flipping it out and making it to the side isn't something I'd pay for. And I was looking forward to this. Can't do it with that screen
Great insights. I was wondering if Nikon will develop a DX version of the sensor found in the Z6iii. Maybe we have an idea how Nikon will develop the DX line cameras from this.
Hi please make detailed comparison z6iii with z6ii and also z8 if got used at the price of new z6iii. And make it clear for photos only and for video graphers.
I really don't know how many New Users Nikon will get when the Cost of Entry is $2500 and that's before one spends a dime on Lens. I also don't know how many Z6/Z6ii and or leftover Nikon DSLR user are still left at this point. I do know that plenty of Folks have been demanding more MP, regardless of BRAND. What I do know, Nikon has likely set the Standard in this Price Range for EVFs. That's a good thing. But concerning Video, are we just in that cycle, meaning first it was 4K 24P, then 30P, then 60P, and now moving forward in this price Range, 4K 120P. I would like to know just how many actually even shoot 4k 120P. Whether or not somebody sees a Flippy screen as a Downside or not, well why would that bother me or anyone else. Just buy the camera that has the screen type you desire. End of story. Whether or not Nikon decides to use it's Partially stacked sensor TECH in it's cropped sensor cameras is likely even more intriguing then the Nikon Z6iii release itself. How many Nikon users or even Non Nikon users would love to have a partially stacked, proper Nikon Z500. Especially with the Blackout-Free, 5760k-Dot new EVF. That might get more users into the Nikon system, regardless of any previous brands that they might have used. Just so folks know, I predicted that the Z8/Z9 would be massive hits. I also predicted that the Zf would be a huge hit. I predict a proper Z500 would be a Huge Hit. I predict the Nikon Z6iii claim to fame will be short lived if and yes that's a big if, Sony released a rumored a7siv with a fully Stacked FF sensor, this year. And Or a revised, a7V. Otherwise the Road can be clear sailing until then. I don't expect a revised Canon R6iii anytime soon. Nor a Panasonic Mark 5iii anytime soon. So that just leaves Sony as the biggest possible test anytime in the near future.
This channel has some of the worst color grading I think I’ve ever seen on RUclips. This is the 3rd video I’ve seen now and they’re all just eye-meltingly bad.
So glad that the Z6III isn't just a rebodied Zf. That part stacked sensor evelates it above the Zf in my opinion.
Being 33% more expensive it indeed shouldn't be just a rebodied ZF.
It’s funny how it’s a rebodied ZF with a semi-stacked sensor, 6k, 5.7k raw things not present in the ZF
I now believe piece choose what they see or don’t see
I tried the Z6iii yesterday, pretty much as you said, except from the ZF I that love, I’ll get the z6iii for action, wildlife & for zooms.
Flip out screen is handy when one has to shoot with a gimbal and in 16:9 ratio. In almost every other situation the Z8 screen is perfect.
Хороший обзор, автор говорит свои мысли, а не рекламные клеше.
Еще хотелось бы услышать о том, насколько удобно пользоваться видоискателем z6iii после зеркальных фотоаппаратов.
I repeat myself. 30MP or 33MP is not a serious upgrade from 24MP. "MP" are an "area unit". When we discuss resolution, we use a "linear unit": "Dots Per inch" (DPI), "Pixels Per Inch" (PPI) Imagine your 27" display and its 3840*2160 resolution. This has 163 PPI and 8.3MP
In PPI, it is only twice as good as your old 27" that gave 1080p (1K): 82PPI and 2.1MP.
The PPI predict your experience, the MP predict how much you need to spend on hardware in order to deal with it. 50 years ago in film photography school it was like that, and in printing it always has been like that.
If it's not clear yet, print at 300 DPI and you have 300*300 = 90,000 dots per SQUARE inch.
Double that to 600 DPI and you get 600 dots by 600 dots = 360,000 dots per SQUARE inch.
Linear double gives the (SQUARE of double) per area.
There would have been a benefit from a few more rows and columns of photosites, only, if that had made mapping image data to specific video formats easier. Which I did not see coming and rightfully so.
The camera needed to position under a potential future Z 7iii and above Z f. This meant it had to become an exercise in motherboard design and choice of chipsets, presuming Nikon would stick to the same CFeTB+SD-UHS-II.
The innovation that Nikon came up with overall, is a camera that is closer to the daily life of a working commercial professional, rather than a poser camera like the Z f.
The Z 6iii by the way still has an OLPF, so through that it minimises "Bayer noise" and it does some Anti-Aliasing with the OLPF. Yes, it costs sharpness, but the workflow in post can be a bit faster. (All full frame Nikons under 36MP have an OLPF.)
It appears to me that the Zf is the real successor to the Z6ii while the Z6iii is a new class in the Nikon family: Professional photographers that don’t want or need the Z8. Maybe also more videographers. While the Zf is more the „prosumer“ kind of camera. Interestingly enough, the Zf is now reduced in price…
Zf at what price now and where?
@@FramesTM Nikon Germany. Was 2.499€ and is now permanently 2.299€.
I’m still on the fence due to my heavily invested time and money in Fujifilm and my satisfaction with Zf in most things. Apart from ergonomics and wildlife, as I mentioned in my previous comments, the Zf might be better for me for events and low light and just use Fuji for wildlife and street but I’m torn. I also don’t do video. I’d love to see a Zf and Z6iii comparison. Would you be able to do that?
Yes of course! Soon!
The Z6 III is the camera Nikon needs to get new user into their system. It gives confidence to user that Nikon listen to them, is also serious targeting about video/content creators and knows the changing market. Nikon proved with this camera they can innovate such as the partially stacked sensor.
They thought:
- 4K uncropped at 60p
- increased the read speed of the sensor
- reducing rolling shutter
- introduce a fully articulated screen
- audio in jack
- improved IBIS
- improved AF performance
You watched only videos of people using the Z8 and Z9, so Nikon user, but not those using other cameras like Sony for video. Check them as the are also impressed with the video capabilities.
A mirrorless camera running a viewfinder at 120 FPS is a high speed video camera. It needs to put raw frames into the image buffer at that rate, "raw process" them, and apply a size reduction, after which the result is sent to the e-VF. Having frames from 1 second before through 2 seconds after, as video around your photograph only means that 3 seconds of frames are held in the frame buffer that are copied to card.
Shooting a 10 sec still or a 1/32000 still does not halt this process. Nor does shooting 30 FPS movie.
Was really hoping to see the Z8/9/f style EVF on the Z6III. The lower-profile round eyecup is so much nicer to use, and transport in a bag. I don't like how the 5/6/7 eyecup protrudes out so much (although still less than other mirrorless brands). Minor enough so it's really not a factor, just a functional and aesthetic preference.
Flippy - a minus for me although I'll agree it makes sense on the Z6III for the demo it's aimed at. After using the Zf, there are some things I do like about it. That said, give me the Z8/9 multi-tilt style ANY day for photo and yes for video.
Overall, I'm super impressed with the Z6III. The semi-stacked 9ms sensor, combined with a mechanical shutter, is a brilliant approach. No pre-order but it's on my wish list, waiting for sales / promos over the next year.
It's not the camera for me due to the flip screen and lower resolution than I was hoping to get, but I’m happy Nikon has a hit on its hands.
Maybe a z8 is for you!
It really depends on what you shoot really.
If you shoot real estate and do video, flip out is definitely useful. And you get used to it eventually.
I think Sony A7R5 has the best of both worlds apparently! I hope everyone adopts that style!
I don’t understand how some (yes, not all) photographers only see the flippy screen as a downside. It’s as if no-one even considers shooting vertically from a low angle. If the Pentax 17 was digital and had a tilt-only screen, people would be mad. But the Z6 II was the same, except the other way around (landscape instead of portrait).
I get that it doesn’t work well with something plugged in. I have a D750 with both a Foolography Unleashed dongle (for geotagging and remote control) and an L-bracket (to protect that dongle against bumps). My hope is that SnapBridge is good enough to replace that. If that’s the case, I’d be very happy to take the L-bracket off. Saves me weight too. And then I can shoot in any orientation from any angle.
I do get that people might prefer the Z8/9 screen to this (although that’s quite an… elaborate construction). But only saying what’s wrong with a flippy screen seems so narrow-minded to me.
Did you shoot this clip in raw and pull up the shadows from the raw panel?
did you find a difference between the Z63 and the ZF in terms of image quality and AF?
I like the flippy ut screens
I don''t know why some tilt screen fans are so anti the flippy screen?
Is it the actual use of it, or the fact that it may be more fragile
Do many people break their flippy screens?
I have had a D5500 and the Zfc that both have flip out screens (with no problems)
Simple. For me, it has everything to do with keeping that screen IN line with the sensor for low / high angle shooting. Now with the flippy screen, to be fair - this works perfectly fine but in vertical orientation only. The Z8/9 really got it right (for me). It's a subtle thing, but looking at the flippy sticking out / away from the centerline (and also not exactly "flat" / even with the body) really does slow me down when I'm trying to line up shots & horizons.
@@csc-photo Yep. It's off-axis
I dislike flippy screens because they stick out to the side. I prefer an on-axis view. However, I understand Nikon has to win the video and vlogger crowd. I want something for the street and travel, so a flippy screen doesn't work for me.
Yeah, it's like folks already said. Flipping it out and making it to the side isn't something I'd pay for. And I was looking forward to this. Can't do it with that screen
Great insights. I was wondering if Nikon will develop a DX version of the sensor found in the Z6iii. Maybe we have an idea how Nikon will develop the DX line cameras from this.
Hi please make detailed comparison z6iii with z6ii and also z8 if got used at the price of new z6iii. And make it clear for photos only and for video graphers.
Sure
I really don't know how many New Users Nikon will get when the Cost of Entry is $2500 and that's before one spends a dime on Lens. I also don't know how many Z6/Z6ii and or leftover Nikon DSLR user are still left at this point. I do know that plenty of Folks have been demanding more MP, regardless of BRAND. What I do know, Nikon has likely set the Standard in this Price Range for EVFs. That's a good thing. But concerning Video, are we just in that cycle, meaning first it was 4K 24P, then 30P, then 60P, and now moving forward in this price Range, 4K 120P. I would like to know just how many actually even shoot 4k 120P.
Whether or not somebody sees a Flippy screen as a Downside or not, well why would that bother me or anyone else. Just buy the camera that has the screen type you desire. End of story. Whether or not Nikon decides to use it's Partially stacked sensor TECH in it's cropped sensor cameras is likely even more intriguing then the Nikon Z6iii release itself. How many Nikon users or even Non Nikon users would love to have a partially stacked, proper Nikon Z500. Especially with the Blackout-Free, 5760k-Dot new EVF. That might get more users into the Nikon system, regardless of any previous brands that they might have used.
Just so folks know, I predicted that the Z8/Z9 would be massive hits. I also predicted that the Zf would be a huge hit. I predict a proper Z500 would be a Huge Hit. I predict the Nikon Z6iii claim to fame will be short lived if and yes that's a big if, Sony released a rumored a7siv with a fully Stacked FF sensor, this year. And Or a revised, a7V. Otherwise the Road can be clear sailing until then. I don't expect a revised Canon R6iii anytime soon. Nor a Panasonic Mark 5iii anytime soon. So that just leaves Sony as the biggest possible test anytime in the near future.
People waiting for Nikon Z50 mkii
👇
We will see how it sells ..
Superb
The way he pronounced "Nee"-kon is the correct pronunciation of the brand, not "Ny"-kon, as most of the western reviewers call it.
In your region. Sorry bloke its Ny Kon.
@@realnikonlover6207The right pronunciation is similar to « nee kon », Nikon stand for Nippon Ikon.
I think Nikon could have given us better sensor.
This channel has some of the worst color grading I think I’ve ever seen on RUclips. This is the 3rd video I’ve seen now and they’re all just eye-meltingly bad.
This is true, I feel the same. Maybe I made a mistake by subscribing.