In fact they are competing in woman sports too, in those state with the birth certificate condition, and they are winning as well because of the hormone therapy
@@paolomath Your a fucking moron and what is wrong with society today. There are two genders all this nonsense started less then ten years ago and ignores thousands of years of science all so we dont hurt mentally ill peoples feelings.
The amount of narcissism when she asked them to put themselves in the shoes of the girls, and then for them to say, I would just feel happy and so proud. They’re doing what they want. That is unbelievable!
@@kevshow If the feeling is that strong Force them to change everything about their lives….periods, hysterectomy, cramps, 9 months but you can never go back.
Olympics: Women's 100m WORLD RECORD. 10.49 seconds Men's QUALIFYING time 10.16 seconds Every single person competing in the men's 100m had to beat the women's world record to even be allowed to show up to the olympics. Not a single woman has run that fast in the last 30 years. So yes, there is an advantage.
Glen Glen Independence doesn’t equal physical strength? It’s a biological fact that women just aren’t built the same way as men, which is why there are different categories for men and women’s sport.
@@cococaramel4176 You missed the memo that says gender doesnt exist? Its all subjective. Social construct made by white men to control everyone. You should watch CNN and learn some.
JESSTHEHITLA - they call themselves brave......boys beating girls is real brave alright. I think the girls in these events should refuse to compete......just say no way. The boys would look really silly then....with no girls to beat
@@garyoakham9723 I'm loving the ride for the time it lasts 😂 Simply hilarious to see certain groups of people get triggered over this while 'fighting' for equality and what not. Hard to critique this when it's the definition of what you want to achieve isn't it? 😂
Hormones don’t change the larger frame; bone size, the larger cardiovascular system, bigger lung capacity and plenty other things. If you went through male puberty, you have the physical benefits of that development. Current hormone levels are not the only factor. Men and women sports are separate for a reason.
E.G. when did we start putting feelings before facts? Why should biological women suffer because of a small percentage of men who transition into women? It affects biological women. Those girls competing against the transgender girls will have less of a chance of a scholarship. I don’t care whether people transition or not but when it starts affecting the larger population, especially biological women then yes, I’m going to be upset.
E.G. this whole situation is putting the feelings of a small group of people (transgenders) above the majority of the population. It’s actually ridiculous. I’m all for acceptance and equality but I don’t believe the majority of the population should be put down (less scholarships) for a tiny percentage of people who believe they’re the opposite gender.
@@ianmacdonald4163 it’s an accomplishment or visual representation of how hard you’ve worked. Feelings don’t matter. Men and women are biologically different.
Women have wanted to be equal for so long why only let them be equal when it is an advantage to them, there should be no reason that men and women can't compete against each other or on the same team, equality for all embellish women's team and make all teams coed
@@suphahameh5712 No, Women fought to be respected equally. Every person deserves equal respect. Transgender woman included. But that doesn’t mean we ignore the biological differences between men and women. There are physical stature differences which men have the advantage in. That’s why it wouldn’t be equal for them to compete against each other.
Once as a boy-teenager-karate beginner I had sparring with girl who was european junior champion in kick boxing at the time. She was (no doubt) born girl with a pretty face, weight a bit less than me but her arms were very muscular (much more than mine at the time 😉). I was 15 yo she was about 18. She pressed me, beat fast combinations but not harder than my collegues from beginners group. When she pushed me to the corner I threw one low kick in maybe 50% of my capacity. I saw tears in her eyes. I said sorry, closed my head in gard and to the end of the round I had let her to beat me as sandbag. After I had only small bruise on my ribs, she told me that she fought exactly like on competition.... Yeah, born boys have no advantages.....
HRT, especially after 2 years, greatly affects muscle mass, bone density, height, sex drive, heightened/lessened senses, tissue variables and others. There's still a lot for scientists to research on this topic.
@@zada2423 You do realize I didn't deny that, yes? I'm saying that it does weaken muscles and bone density, and scientists still need to see if it's really so unfair. One of the two trans girls in the video recently ended up 6th in a 100m race, and then proceded to lose her next race, all against cisgender girls. And do not forget that trans people are 0.5% of the U.S population. This is hardly a problem.
That's how all trans people are. They say to work harder and you will win not taking into account that their body is more naturally suited for physical activity no matter how much estrogen they take.
right! like they can work as hard as they want they cant change their genetics!!! lets see how fast these two so called woman fair up running against men? they would get slaughtered. they only joined track AFTER they transitioned and not fully...they still got dicks!
Thank you, life is science at the end of the day, there’s certain muscles and certain gears that a man can tap into that a women will never be able too. This is wrong . Protect women sports. Ppl already criticize the WNBA. Let the women have their sport.
Please people STOP voting democrat. For the love of god you will destroy the future of this planet. Deep down, I have to believe some rational people still exist on the left. Haven’t seen any evidence of it though.
FUCKING EXACTLY!!! Literally the whole comment section ignoring YOUR comment because you’re right, this exactly would make everyone happy, but even then cis people would just up and say “oh look they did this to be seperate just so they could feel special, how pathetic” it’s just better logic plain and simple, everyone would be happy
Grael Mulata lmao I wasn’t even trying to be neutral, I was just caught up in how everyone is ignoring the solution because of fucking hate for one side or the other
@@sinify6676 cause people think that mtf gives people an unfair advantage which I support trans rights but I do think its a discussion worth having but I think probably later in transition there hormones should be the same as Cis women which wouldn't give them an unfair advantage
*African American are naturally more successful in track because of their muscle - whereas in water sports, they are barely able to swim. Sorry, this is not a question of sex but of race. No wonder why Usain Bolt is the fastest man on eart*
It's literally not unfair. Calm down. You're just jealous that they managed to win, and since they have something that you think is different you're using that to make some bs excuse
@@gurogoth it is unfair. They can live as females, dress as females, they can do whatever they want with their own bodies. I respect that. But They were born physically as men, which means that they are built like men. This does give them an advantage.
@@leahrene7170 The girls had been on HRT though Had they not been, I would've totally agreed, as I do believe that if you would want to be in a sport that you should have started HRT Because of the HRT however, it does lower the body's natural ability to produce testosterone in favor for the newly given estrogen, which lowers the possibility of them being too physically advanced for the other girls, thus making it fair
one first of all we arent trans we are trans people second there arent enough of us for it to be worth anything in any scenario also that is literally exclusionary
@@flintstone1664 it means you don’t like any one of transgender so yeah and also people use the word bro if we didn’t know what it means we would have never used it
"Some of those comments were harsh, critics saying that they have an unfair advantage because they were born boys"... That's harsh?...ummm no it's not, it's a simply factual statement.
Boys compete with boys and girls compete with girls. If you were a girl and are now a boy then you are a boy and should be allowed to compete with other boys.
@@LovingReasonWaterBearer where have you ever seen a transgender boy compete against boys. It's not that common because they're still girls and they still are at a disadvantage.
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@Kat Douglas that's ridiculous you need to teach men being men and women being women instead of this it's okay how does a man know what it's like to be like a woman they have no feelings at all of a woman I have no idea what it's like to be like a woman so when some man says all I've always felt like a woman that's bullshit they want to feel like a woman it's a choice and we're all being forced to accept it
With the hormone therapy they are losing a good amount of testosterone. And anyway, everyone of every sex has testosterone at various levels. This means plenty of females are stronger than plenty of males.
Do they realize that it's not only hormones ? There is a reason why you can tell appart men and women just by looking at their bones. Men and women have different body and hormones won't change your bones shape. The shape of the muscle are different too, since the bones aren't the sames, so are the muscles who link them. Also men have bigger organs than women, bigger lungs and bigger hearts, which make for more oxygen for the muscles and given more quickly thanks to the faster blood flow. That can't be changed with hormones. And whatever they do, they'll be at an unfair advantage because of those traits they were born with. So except in the case where they were born significantly weaker than an average man, they'll always be stronger than women.
“We’re talking about a subject that’s so sensitive … “ It’s sensitive only if you’re an idiot. Anybody with half a brain knows that you don’t play sports with your gender identity, you play them with your body, and that If you have a man’s skeleton and muscles and hormones, you should be competing with and against men. “Some of the comments were harsh, critics complaining that Andrea and Terry both have an unfair advantage because they were born boys.” Yeah, that’s how it Is with the truth sometimes. It doesn’t care about your feelings. It doesn’t care whether you think it’s harsh or not. “At what point do you decide, actually, it’s more appropriate for me to be on the girls’ team competing with other girls?” I can’t see inside the young athletes’ minds, but I’ll bet the honest answer would have been “I decided it was more appropriate for me to compete against girls when I realized that I wasn’t good enough to compete against boys.”
This crosses the line as soon as it affects other people. People can identify however they want to, but it just crosses the line when it negatively affects others.
Yummyleigh The "yoURe hOmoPhObiC," argument is a irrational, simple-minded response that you'll tend to see from a lot of people. As I said, I'm all for people being able to identify as whatever they want and be accepted for that. But it just goes too far when it starts negatively affecting others.
To quote Dave Chapelle “Say Lebron James changed his gender … can he stay in the NBA? Or does he have to go to the WNBA, where he will score 800 points a game?”
Yes, absolutely! These reporters show one of those classic behaviours you see in people who are pathologically selfish & unfair (argueing unashamedly even when they perfectly know there´s nothing to argue about).
Please tell your sister that thousands of us support her!! I dont care what anyone says. Your sister is the true winner here. Im disgusted by the feminists that are supporting biological men takeing over womans sports! They scream out against misogyny yet support it in womans sports!!
@QS729 How do you know anyone said these slurs? They don't have to say the slurs in order to make a direct allusion to them. The reason why they did not make a direct allusion to them is because they likely did not hear anyone say them.
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I am a female track runner and this actually scares me because I work so hard, my body aches and if I'm going against males who are taking drugs to be slightly weaker, those said makes say "just run faster" I can only be so fast with my actual female body :'(
A trans woman is a man pretending to be a woman. This is fact. Based on science. It is reality. Period. No logical argument. There is nothing wrong with pretend time as long as it doesn't affect other people's reality.
i think that just recently, there was a couple of girls at a track event who refused to compete against a transgender competitor....and the girls got punished for it.
@@paloma4444 oh yah i forgot, gender os a matter od preference now a days. Just crazy that before lgbt is fighting for equal respect and rights. Now they are practicing the exact opposite, Lgbt wants to out class other. Like in sports and beauty.
Mens bone structures are different. Bone structure plays a big role in muscle development too. I think its unfair to the other woman who put in work only to be outcompeted by these two. Im sorry we ve gone too far. These two are very different from the other woman and someone needs to stop being a wuss and say it as it is.
@@alexantifascistaction310 blown out of the proportion? Sure, just look at the cyclists, wrestlers and weightlifter, just to name a few and tell me again how this is fair. Their opponents train hard af just to be outclassed by women who were born men and therefore have a significant advantage.
Mens bodies have evolved to be stronger than women since hunter-gatherer roles. It is much easier for a biological male to gain muscle mass and have more endurance for running.
seriously! the most annoying thing is the fact that biological females are agreeing to the erasure of their own representation in sports. everybody just blindly agrees to whatever nowadays simply because they believe it’s “politically correct”.
There's definitly a reason why all these transgenders you see in sport are almost always male to female, and not the other way around. And that speaks for itself.
No, it is because these are the ones unfairly being focused on in legislation. There are multiple trans men who are athletes, such as Chris Mosier, who even tried out for the Olympics, Patricio Manuel, a boxer, and Schuyler Bailar, a swimmer.
Resistance 1990 It is, that’s why trans women should compete against other trans women Trans men should compete against trans men That way men and women’s records won’t be beaten by anyone other than afab or amab
300bpm well then if you’re going to ignore something as crucial as gender dysphoria or the fact that transitioning actually helps relieve a person of gender dysphoria, and you’re just gonna look at that and say transgender doesn’t exist then I’m sorry but you’re a fucking idiot I’m tired of being @ on this fucking video, nobody respond to me anymore
They are women who are biologically male, so they still have some male advantages such as having a bigger heart,higher testosterone levels,more red blood cells etc. So it is unfair to biological women who are at a disadvantage. It doesn’t matter that they identify as women,they still have those male advantages,they should just make another category for trans people.
If one of these "girls" is allowed to complete at the college level in women's sports, then it will be the end of biological women in sports. If one college has an unbeatable athlete, the only way every other colleges will be able to complete is by finding a former male that is as fast or faster. The result is only biological men are recruited to participate in women's sports. This generates a cottage industry of men going "trans" so that they can get a free ride to college competing as a woman.
Rational for making it okay. Just 150 teen transgenders in US. Well if they want to get into College, they should easily be able to compete against girls to get in, but impossible with other men.
Transgender men have less natural testosterone since they were born females. They are at a disadvantage so no one cares enough to petition against them
Chris Griffin true but it’s not fair to criticize the guys when the girls are doing the same thing. Nobody cares because when girls do it because they aren’t game changers.
Its an extremely selfish way to look at it. They and their parents are only interested in their own gains, not anything else. "they need to express themselves". If this madness is allowed to continue it will be the death of women's sports.
Then let it die or do i have to remind you that it was women who supported this insanity to begin with? They wanted it now they can deal with it, alone.
Bingo AR as it will be the death of women's sports and who is too blame for this . The women of this country who refuse to stand up against this foolishness in the first place. Instead of calling this non-sense out women continue to play the compassion role as I have heard them actually telling these trans how good they look etc. I also blame white America as whites are still in major control of this nation and instead of getting these people the help they need the encourage it and say go out and compete against real women. Now many even face threats if they refuse to call a he a she. People are waking up to this and I hope you guys will speak loud and clear in fighting this.
There are plenty of females who have more testosterone than males so the "males are stronger" line is not entirely accurate. Also, it's been proven that a person's sex does not determine their gender. These males are not only women, they are having hormone therapy which is shrinking their testosterone level and causing their estrogen level to rise. And, finally, it is illegal to refuse someone the opportunity to be on a sports team that fits their gender, as long as they met the requirements at tryouts.
No advantage? NO ADVANTAGE!? Let me drop some knowledge on you. 1. Men have bigger hearts than women. (able to pump more blood) 2. Men have bigger lungs than women. (able to produce more oxygen at maximum exertion levels) 3. Men have a greater amount of muscle bulk than women. (more power) 4. Men's legs are about 80% muscle, women's legs are about 60% muscle. (again, more power) 5. Men produce far more testosterone than women. (advantage in many ways) 6. Men have more and larger fast twitch muscle than women. (helps with sprinting) 7. Men have more hemoglobin than women do (protein in red blood cells that carries oxygen to the body's tissues, including muscles) I could name many more, need I !? It is not fair for women to be competing against transsexuals. PERIOD.
Men also have a much more efficient running form. Because of the female body and the placement and size of the hips, women run with an arm swing that naturally goes across the chest instead of straight, or “cheek to cheek.” they also have much more wobble and shake in their form, making a female athlete generally much less efficient of a runner.
This might be the most sensible comment ever at first I was confused why everyone is saying all this but when I saw this I understand you made your point without insulting them or saying they are boys when they clearly want to identify as females it’s not like they can help it anyway but thank you
I used this same argument in a discussion. If 7'1 280 lbs Shaq said he identifies with being a woman and became a tyranny would they have let him join and if so would he have had an unfair advantage? Of course he would. It's not even an argument. Just like these two boys pretending to be girls.
I know right? To think that trans women might replace real women in the future. I cant imagine how my daughters and grandaughters life would be in that kind of society. This is literally degrading all women into birthing machines only because trans women might become the preferred wife in the future, and under dogs in women related acheivements. This is really frustrating.
@Ivy Vargas It's not about excluding Transgender people. It's understanding basic biological interaction between androgens and the musculoskeletal (also organs and other aspects) system during puberty and beyond. IMO you can use whichever bathroom you want, chose how you are called and live how you want. But when it comes to competitions, you can't deny basic endocrinology.
@@danielarubioooo Congratulations! So far you are the only person I could find in this entire comment section who disagrees with nearly everybody else! I'm sure there are a few others but honestly, I could not find them!
The parents who said "just some medal" must have never done track. It takes usually years of work and commitment to compete at state. It's completely unfair that anyone should be allowed to cheat the work just to feel better about themselves. Like what if you train or study or practice something for years and have it taken away from you in a way that you can't do anything about, you would be upset too.
You made the rules, expanded it, promoted it. We take the advantage from the said rule you pushed everyday on media and succeed. You are just soar loser. You hear me? STINKY. SOAR. LOSER.😂
Same for the “girl” who said the other girls should “just run faster” to keep up with the biological males... sorry, what? Cause obviously they’re not trying rn
@@unconscious7219 Actually, ironically or not, there's truth to what you are saying. We (society) did make the rules and left loopholes. Is it bad there's so little morality and ethics currently for people not to exploit them. Or maybe it's good that they do, it shows what is truly valuable and dangerous to be destabilized. Sports and gender norms are among those things. And medals are very important, they signify true achievement and advancement of the individual and a collective. That's why medals were made of the most expensive materials known at the time. Fuck participation trophies, we need to get the rules, and most importantly individuals right.
By cheating, do you mean the way women regularly exclude half the population from competition? Women's sports should be illegal. Give women what they want: EQUALITY.
“ It would just push me to .. run faster” your literal bodies are DIFFERENT. The fastest woman will never beat the fastest man because of how different their bodies are. It’s basic biology. This is completely ridiculous,selfish and unfair. Taking away biological women’s rights and that which they have most likely worked their whole life for is just sick.
Hm...I guess that she (transgender girl) should run at least once a month against some guys. She would have opportunity to do her best. Motivated runner
@@oceanaoushn8803 A trans woman would NEVER win against men in a MENS track meet. No matter how hard she works, she’ll always have a disadvantage. Just facts
@@canniba1vamp1re whats the point? If I was naturally born a girl and worked my whole life to be a pro athlete just for some guy to decide they want to be a female and break records and beat all the girls by a lot wouldn't that be unfair? They were naturally born a boy just because you apparently are mentally a female doesn't mean you don't have the traits of a male or went through puberty as a male.
Even after transitioning, the advantage is still there, simply because the male and female bodies are different. We saw what happened with William "Lia" Thomas.
fishing freak no we’re not gonna have a liberal president we will have a “Democratic Socialist” president, Bernie is the dems best chance to hold the office
Same i swing left and this shit isnt ok genetically born dudes should not compete with genetically born girls its not fair im all for gay rights and i will fight for equality but this isnt equality
I agree. I don't have a problem with transgenders. But letting biological males compete against biological females is inappropriate and it's cheating. I identify as a motorbike so I'm going to compete on the women's track team.
@@crawfish069 I do have a problem with the whole situation. Being transgender means that you have a mental issue and liberals try to turn it into something normal. But it isn't, transgenders suffer from a high suicide rate etc.
That wouldn’t be the fix though look: Transgender people make up for 0.6% of the population as a whole. Which means if there is a transgender person on a team it probably would just be them or maybe one other transgender athlete. There wouldn’t be enough people to make up one entire team. Also that is segregating transgender people from the rest of the group which just seems kind of off.💁🏾♀️
@@irene.5798 ok but what is the solution then? because they clearly have an advantage over girls in that sport. putting them with boys again? that would be hurtful for their identity, i understand, but it is not fair that they compete with biological women
The drugs used by Transgender girls/women will actually slow you down !! i.e. Testosterone inhibitors and Estrogen mainly. So I'd settle for trans girls who have had hormones for a year or more being allowed to compete. Also there are cases where trans girls don't even place against cisgender girls !! The most dedicated will win but even then it is the fastest everytime and then you have to maintain that !! Winning all the time every race is very hard work .
No dice, folks. These men have a different muscle makeup aney are physically different. How is this any different from steroids? You can't use steroids!
It’s not just the natural advantage of testosterone. Men have bigger lungs, bigger hearts, more muscle in general, higher fast twitch fibre ratio etc. The fact they are allowed to compete against biological women is ludicrous.
Does HRT decrease the size of the heart and lungs? No, it doesn't. There's a great deal more going on than hormones. Trans women are trans women, not biological women. They have undue advantages.
It's called... "Win at any cost, and regardless of who it discriminates against". They're discriminating against biological women. These guys were not trans for years, they just started doing this recently. Sorry, not okay!
The problem I see is these two will be competing for sports scholarships that should be going to biological girls. There needs to be some way that those with a biological advantage don't stomp out those that work hard to get something. That girl that came in third place will lose out because she is not playing on equally playing field.
William Baric- Lol ,but the question is what will get rid of them I understand that people will always have different opinions but if someone's opinion can be disproven with facts and they don't listen to those facts, then that's being delusional. And it doesn't effect me of weather they know the truth or not but if they keep spreading their ideas to the next generation. Then society will become some sort of MAN HATE society. Which is not a society I want me,my future son, or daughter to live in.
amethyst how is this transphobia? it’s true.. these girls were once biologically boys and so they have an advantage over bio girls. it isn’t just their testosterone, it’s their body structure, muscle mass and many other things that make guys biologically stronger than girls. if they want to play track so much why don’t they just join the boys team where they actually have an equal chance??
@@doomb1ke are you blatantly denying the fact that transphobia doesn't hurt? otherwise, i'm very sure that you have never in your life researched an ounce of the fact that hormone replacement therapy physically alters the body, taking away from a trans woman's muscle and bone structure because of estrogen in the body. and i'm just curious, are you more concerned with the "fairness" of a track and field race or are you more concerned with blatant transphobia by segregating trans women from cis women and forcing them to be with men because of a singular chromosome. in fact, don't you think that if both terry and andraya (the girls in the video shown) were on the boys team it would be unfair for them because they weren't real boys either, and wouldn't that be considered transphobic because they are grouping two transgender women with cisgender men because they were 'born boys' so they have to 'participate as boys'? anyways, here's some research showing that hormone replacement therapy physically alters a trans woman's bone and muscle structure: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5182227/ www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20625973/ www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6046513/ the only thing differentiating a trans woman's body and a cis woman's body is a singular chromosome - in fact, every single human body has its own unique amounts of estrogens and androgens; trans women during hormone replacement therapy are *supposed* to have lower amounts of testosterone and higher amounts of estrogen. but of course.. ignorance truly is bliss.
egger I’m in let’s do it....il claim I’m disabled person trapped in a normal body so we can win it all baby yeahhhh Ffs 🤦🏻♂️ what is going on in the world
What is the unfair advantage that males have over females: TESTOSTERONE This really isn’t a debate since the Government, World Athletic Council and Scientist are well aware that transgender females still retain the physiology of their male biological gender. Testosterone levels affect everything in males from the reproductive system and sexuality to muscle mass and bone density. How is this fair? Male physiology cannot be reformatted by estrogen therapy in transgender athletes because testosterone has created permanent effects through early life exposure. Inborn male physiological advantages lead to superior athletic performance. Hormone therapy fails to completely recreate a female-like physiology in the male. Ultimately, the former male physiology of transgender athletes provides them with a physiological advantage over the female athlete. Again how is this fair? ‘Testosterone is one of many factors involved in the development of muscle bulk and strength. Testosterone increases neurotransmitters, which encourages tissue growth. It also interacts with nuclear receptors in DNA, which causes protein synthesis. Testosterone increases levels of growth hormone. That makes exercise more likely to build muscle.’ (See: Established facts) In other words, the transgender (fe)male still maintains the physiology of a male. Therefore, they are cheating non-transgender women out of a fair competition with other women like them in sports. This agenda is socially established by discrimination, and intolerance of the original physiology of women. Instead of establishing your own pathway by virtue of who you are in your human existence; you shove aside the human experience of another human being. A female human being that most transgender persons were born from: Physiologically Born Females. Stop trying to control and rearrange the unique female human being into a man made image of what a female should be. STOP TRYING TO BE WHO WE ARE AND BE YOURSELF. Because who you are not is a woman.
I agree, unfair advantage. Genetics are genetics. They have more natural muscle and less fat. They have testosterone and, because they are so young, they probably haven't had enough estrogen hormone therapy to make this fair.
Kelly Bre'Ahye - Keep your ghetto speak, name and mentality where it belongs...far the fuck from me. They were born male so, of course, they have testosterone...why do you think they have to have estrogen? Try not stooping to ignorant levels over RUclips comments and insulting complete strangers simply because you happen to disagree. The two trans girls in this video have more class, are more lady like and speak with and have more elegance and respect in their big toes than you have in your entire being. SMH
@@mskissmyazzify SAME man like people seem to think these men are women and vice versa but they're not like omg no one has common sense except a few people
So their feelings are more important than being fair to others.
If feelings top facts, then I'm telling my Bank manager that I feel like a millionaire inside my head. He better accommodate or else!
Totally agree!
No, their male feelings are more important than girls’. That’s what
No no no.... yeah
I did sport as a bloke my feeling s got smashed , on life too , but Im a man thats what happens to us
Remember that woman who transitioned to male and dominated the men's sports? Neither do I.
@Robert Allala world's rough get over it
Trevor Lawrence 😂 😂
In fact they are competing in woman sports too, in those state with the birth certificate condition, and they are winning as well because of the hormone therapy
@Dio Brando oof that was a complete incineration .rip jimmy jones unkown-21-12-2020
Crazy times this is
Totally defeats the whole purpose of gender separate sports.
Exactly!!!
It's sex-separated.
@@paolomath Your a fucking moron and what is wrong with society today. There are two genders all this nonsense started less then ten years ago and ignores thousands of years of science all so we dont hurt mentally ill peoples feelings.
@@garyoakham9723 or blacks, french, spanish, greek, lithuanian, chinese, japanese, or cars
Jason Women can be born with Penis as though. But they are still women... so I agree with it.
The amount of narcissism when she asked them to put themselves in the shoes of the girls, and then for them to say, I would just feel happy and so proud. They’re doing what they want. That is unbelievable!
Yup! Male behaviour...
@@kevshow If the feeling is that strong Force them to change everything about their lives….periods, hysterectomy, cramps, 9 months but you can never go back.
@@EmpressGGthey can never have
Yeah show me a lightweight male boxer who would think it was fair to be pitted against a heavyweight male.
Mother: “it’s just a medal”
No it is NOT. It’s these girls chance at a scholarship.
Exactly like the whole point of sports is to win. So by saying “oh it doesn’t matter it’s just a medal” then what’s the point in playing the sport?
Yisrael Dubin exactly ignorant ass people
Yisrael Dubin not about scholarships at all. It’s about winning. That’s what sports are about bud.
2016 Silverado bud, it’s not just about winning. It’s multi-faceted.
And trampled on the girls' dignity.
It's not just testosterone. Men have larger heart and lungs to move more blood and supply more oxygen. A huge advantage.
Not to mention the fast twitch muscles.
I hope these dudes get their periods during a race in full stride!
They also have a narrower pelvis
Stronger bones and mucles and more muscle to fat ratio
And wider backs
@@winolowardichelli2850 and testicle's!
It's sad. Very sad!
Olympics:
Women's 100m WORLD RECORD. 10.49 seconds
Men's QUALIFYING time 10.16 seconds
Every single person competing in the men's 100m had to beat the women's world record to even be allowed to show up to the olympics. Not a single woman has run that fast in the last 30 years. So yes, there is an advantage.
Derek the half a bee this should be the top comment, but I’m sure someone would still deny facts.
Derek the half a bee That was honestly mind opening.
They don't like facts.
Derek the half a bee nice try, but abc’s ‘medical science’ couldn’t find anything.... :)
True facts!!!
Create your own category; don’t disrupt others lives. Go do what y’all love but only for what you identify with.
Your own special Olympics be proud for Real. Kids can’t be adults and adults can’t be kids.
Well said. I believe there is a strong narcissistic part in this whole transgender-community. Narcissistic means: I am most important.
Excellent !!!
Amen!!!!!!!!
so wise, thanks
It’s not a case of ‘might’ have an advantage.
It’s a scientific, biological FACT that they WILL have an advantage.
Women are strong and independent and can do everything a man can do.
Glen Glen
Independence doesn’t equal physical strength?
It’s a biological fact that women just aren’t built the same way as men, which is why there are different categories for men and women’s sport.
@@cococaramel4176 You missed the memo that says gender doesnt exist? Its all subjective. Social construct made by white men to control everyone. You should watch CNN and learn some.
Glen Glen
Ooh. I didn’t realise this was a troll lol I look like an idiot 😂
@@cococaramel4176 😂
“Physically I’m a man, but mentally I’m a woman.” ....
BRO!
This 👏 is 👏 a 👏 physical 👏 competition 👏!
Exactly, this ain’t a trivia game
gnatty 😂😂😂
😂 👌 lol
😂😂😂😂
Thank Obama. He supports this
They know it’s unfair they just don’t care
JESSTHEHITLA - they call themselves brave......boys beating girls is real brave alright. I think the girls in these events should refuse to compete......just say no way. The boys would look really silly then....with no girls to beat
I hope more do it. Women want to push liberalism and gays down our throats. Time for them to have a taste
@@garyoakham9723 I'm loving the ride for the time it lasts 😂
Simply hilarious to see certain groups of people get triggered over this while 'fighting' for equality and what not.
Hard to critique this when it's the definition of what you want to achieve isn't it? 😂
This comment thread is on fire 🔥😂🤣🤣🤣
Neither does life. Tell them to use the time they're wasting bitching about not being good enough to actually train and become a better athlete.
Hormones don’t change the larger frame; bone size, the larger cardiovascular system, bigger lung capacity and plenty other things. If you went through male puberty, you have the physical benefits of that development. Current hormone levels are not the only factor. Men and women sports are separate for a reason.
Fallon Fox vs Tamikka Brents being a prime example of the biological advantages men have over women
Actually we make boy breast milk just for growth, google it.
100% right
They went through male puberty.. they’re overall stronger than biological women. It’s not fair.
T Kegs exactly you can’t change your gender
That's bigotry by it's very definition OOOPS didn't think that through did ya, we did.
@@e.g.7705 Science is bigotry?
E.G. when did we start putting feelings before facts? Why should biological women suffer because of a small percentage of men who transition into women? It affects biological women. Those girls competing against the transgender girls will have less of a chance of a scholarship. I don’t care whether people transition or not but when it starts affecting the larger population, especially biological women then yes, I’m going to be upset.
E.G. this whole situation is putting the feelings of a small group of people (transgenders) above the majority of the population. It’s actually ridiculous. I’m all for acceptance and equality but I don’t believe the majority of the population should be put down (less scholarships) for a tiny percentage of people who believe they’re the opposite gender.
I love how trans supporters always talk about fairness. But only fairness for the trans party. Dont worry about what the other girls feel.
I agree
She is not a she, she has a beard. Come the f### on.
Agree with your comment
Totally agree!
Michael Cheapshot nice generalization idiot
A physical competition shouldn't prioritize FEELINGS over PHYSICAL differences.
Feelings are more important when you get nothing out of winning besides feelings.
@@ianmacdonald4163 until you realize sports are more than just recreation
@@ianmacdonald4163 it’s an accomplishment or visual representation of how hard you’ve worked. Feelings don’t matter. Men and women are biologically different.
Women have wanted to be equal for so long why only let them be equal when it is an advantage to them, there should be no reason that men and women can't compete against each other or on the same team, equality for all embellish women's team and make all teams coed
@@suphahameh5712 No, Women fought to be respected equally. Every person deserves equal respect. Transgender woman included. But that doesn’t mean we ignore the biological differences between men and women. There are physical stature differences which men have the advantage in. That’s why it wouldn’t be equal for them to compete against each other.
Once as a boy-teenager-karate beginner I had sparring with girl who was european junior champion in kick boxing at the time. She was (no doubt) born girl with a pretty face, weight a bit less than me but her arms were very muscular (much more than mine at the time 😉). I was 15 yo she was about 18. She pressed me, beat fast combinations but not harder than my collegues from beginners group. When she pushed me to the corner I threw one low kick in maybe 50% of my capacity. I saw tears in her eyes. I said sorry, closed my head in gard and to the end of the round I had let her to beat me as sandbag. After I had only small bruise on my ribs, she told me that she fought exactly like on competition.... Yeah, born boys have no advantages.....
Of course everyone is welcoming and accepting. If they aren't, they will be criticized and most likely lose there job.
Exactly.
Actually no this is progress 10 years ago no one would have cared.
@XxGalaxystrikexX The Dank Memer Wtf does religion have anything to do with it. Fuckin religious people always bringing it into everything.
John Connor There’s no logic or reasoning in allowing them to be on the same track
I become a teacher and I would never let them participate in the girls sport!
“May” have a disadvantage? Hormone therapy doesn’t change the size of their heart and lungs which give males a huge aerobic advantage.
HRT, especially after 2 years, greatly affects muscle mass, bone density, height, sex drive, heightened/lessened senses, tissue variables and others. There's still a lot for scientists to research on this topic.
@@crishealingvtuber8626 does it shrink their organs and lower their VO2 max? I don’t think so.
@@zada2423 You do realize I didn't deny that, yes? I'm saying that it does weaken muscles and bone density, and scientists still need to see if it's really so unfair.
One of the two trans girls in the video recently ended up 6th in a 100m race, and then proceded to lose her next race, all against cisgender girls.
And do not forget that trans people are 0.5% of the U.S population. This is hardly a problem.
@White Tiger yeah that...sort of proves my point.
@@crishealingvtuber8626 it is a problem cuz more people are gonna enter these types of sports as trans
The trans girl at the end who said “just work harder” really pisses me off.
Hear Hear! Transgender people claim they want "fairness" but it's okay if it's not fair, in their favor.
That's how all trans people are. They say to work harder and you will win not taking into account that their body is more naturally suited for physical activity no matter how much estrogen they take.
TypeSly these girls don’t wants equal rights or fairness, sounds like they rights they benefit them. Only talking bout the trans girls.
Women: We want equality!
Trans: challenge accepted
right! like they can work as hard as they want they cant change their genetics!!! lets see how fast these two so called woman fair up running against men? they would get slaughtered. they only joined track AFTER they transitioned and not fully...they still got dicks!
This crap has got to stop. Why is 1.3 percent of the population now getting 80% percent of the media's attention. As they say..."stay in your lane".
this is what happens when we let our world be run by feelings and not by logic.
True
Very true
Faxx
Thank you, life is science at the end of the day, there’s certain muscles and certain gears that a man can tap into that a women will never be able too. This is wrong . Protect women sports. Ppl already criticize the WNBA. Let the women have their sport.
Please people STOP voting democrat. For the love of god you will destroy the future of this planet. Deep down, I have to believe some rational people still exist on the left. Haven’t seen any evidence of it though.
Why don’t they just have trans sports? We have the Special Olympics for a similar reason right?
Amrelle M I don't think there's enough trans people in the world
This is sickining ...i feel so bad for those girls
Detroit D how?
FUCKING EXACTLY!!!
Literally the whole comment section ignoring YOUR comment because you’re right, this exactly would make everyone happy, but even then cis people would just up and say “oh look they did this to be seperate just so they could feel special, how pathetic” it’s just better logic plain and simple, everyone would be happy
Grael Mulata lmao I wasn’t even trying to be neutral, I was just caught up in how everyone is ignoring the solution because of fucking hate for one side or the other
do you see any transgender men competing on male category? that's what i thought
Are there any transgender males (born female) athletes competing is the first step
Only 1, she's a wrestler and some boys won't compete against her, they end up forefiting. With her biologically being female
@@mamamogul8598 that's interesting .. got the name? is s/he searchable on the net?
I mean if you searched it up, there's plenty of mtf transgenders competing in sports. You just never really hear about it.
@@sinify6676 cause people think that mtf gives people an unfair advantage which I support trans rights but I do think its a discussion worth having but I think probably later in transition there hormones should be the same as Cis women which wouldn't give them an unfair advantage
“Son, u can go for track and probably be average…..or you can put this dress on and break every county record” 😂
Then I should compete against children because I have the maturity of a 12 year old 🤷🏼♀️
🤣🤣🤣🤣
🕳 hahaha amazing analogy
*African American are naturally more successful in track because of their muscle - whereas in water sports, they are barely able to swim. Sorry, this is not a question of sex but of race. No wonder why Usain Bolt is the fastest man on eart*
AC DC Usian Bolt was born in Jamaica..
@@C0DE_ZER0 so what, he is still black from Africa
Biologically Born Girl - "I've worked and I've trained for most of my life. I think I deserve a fair chance."
Transgender - "NO BUT MY FEELINGS."
Richie Beck: stop
lol cunning and subtle
It's literally not unfair. Calm down. You're just jealous that they managed to win, and since they have something that you think is different you're using that to make some bs excuse
@@gurogoth it is unfair. They can live as females, dress as females, they can do whatever they want with their own bodies. I respect that. But They were born physically as men, which means that they are built like men. This does give them an advantage.
@@leahrene7170
The girls had been on HRT though
Had they not been, I would've totally agreed, as I do believe that if you would want to be in a sport that you should have started HRT
Because of the HRT however, it does lower the body's natural ability to produce testosterone in favor for the newly given estrogen, which lowers the possibility of them being too physically advanced for the other girls, thus making it fair
The women should identify as centaurs and ride horses on the track.
Lol!
I like the idea 😂🤣😂
Best comment ever LMAO HAHA
LOL....THAT'S HILARIOUS..GOOD ONE!!!
an eye for an eye my friend👏
There is no such thing as feeling like a girl. No men in women's sports ever!
felling like a girl is just BS, they're brainwashed
There's a reason why boys and girls are separated in sports. Totally an unfair advantage.
Cry about it
@@cloverfield2005 stfu
Yeaa trans should compete with other trans, thats fair
one first of all we arent trans we are trans people second there arent enough of us for it to be worth anything in any scenario also that is literally exclusionary
@@cloverfield2005 isn't having boys and girls separated categories in sports exclusionary?
Its like dudes found a legal and socially acceptable way to beat women
Fallon Fox is prime example. She doesn’t win fights because she’s that much more skilled. She beats the women because she’s a real man.
L3 - 37 not all feminists support this
They not dudes they trash.
Либералы мусор i agree very much comarade
@@piabudd He didnt say that. Just that it's a byproduct of feminist "movements"
My heart goes out to all the girls who got cheated.
💙
@@badboi7433 Look up what phobia actually means before you speak 📣 😂.
@@flintstone1664 it means you don’t like any one of transgender so yeah and also people use the word bro if we didn’t know what it means we would have never used it
@@badboi7433 phobia-an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.
@@badboi7433 So how does 2 teenage boys saying their girls and cheating by running in the girl track meet competitions a extreme or irrational fear ?
I cant believe this is a serious discussion in the world these days.
Hormone therapy doesn't remove the increased bone mass and lung capacity that is afforded a male.
And a bigger heart, bigger muscle mass, bigger hands and feet.
Let alone more muscle. So not fair.
Lol
Smaller hips also help with running
@@bruh-mb1rd Actually the hip structure is rather obstructing since trans women have less yaw from their hip bones
You don’t see transgender males shattering records in male’s sports for a reason.
@Im in love with Julius Cesar exactly
@Im in love with Julius Cesar well trans gender men don't really beat biological men
@Im in love with Julius Cesar they hate women
@@TheRedHexagon that’s exactly the point, because trans men are females not males
@Im in love with Julius Cesar
Right but what about the women who say “women can do whatever a man can do.”?
As a gay male I believe and it's clear that it's an unfair advantage. If you don't see it, you're being ignorant.
Agree Greg, well said brother.
You sound like Michael Jackson,”stop it, that’s ignorant!”
Go get your people.
Gregory Hankins your one of the first gays I’ve ever met that agreed with me politicaly and you have my ever lasting respect 😂
@@raiden7789 I do, when it's an issue concerning the gay-straight debate.
Sorry guys just because you can’t beat boys doesn’t mean you get to compete against girls. Start your own trans league
"Some of those comments were harsh, critics saying that they have an unfair advantage because they were born boys"... That's harsh?...ummm no it's not, it's a simply factual statement.
Boys compete with boys and girls compete with girls. If you were a girl and are now a boy then you are a boy and should be allowed to compete with other boys.
@@LovingReasonWaterBearer where have you ever seen a transgender boy compete against boys. It's not that common because they're still girls and they still are at a disadvantage.
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Agreed! Transgender women should not compete against biological women. Period.
Loving Reason Water Bearer It’s so crazy how okay you are with women loosing pretty much all the time to a transgender women.
Even with hormone therapy they still have a broader build, longer stride, etc. still advantages
Exactly.
Kat Douglas If you tell someone that, they tell you the facts make you sexist haha.
Lol THEY ARE MEN LOLL .... THATS THE DIFFERENCE
@Kat Douglas that's ridiculous you need to teach men being men and women being women instead of this it's okay how does a man know what it's like to be like a woman they have no feelings at all of a woman I have no idea what it's like to be like a woman so when some man says all I've always felt like a woman that's bullshit they want to feel like a woman it's a choice and we're all being forced to accept it
With the hormone therapy they are losing a good amount of testosterone. And anyway, everyone of every sex has testosterone at various levels. This means plenty of females are stronger than plenty of males.
Do they realize that it's not only hormones ? There is a reason why you can tell appart men and women just by looking at their bones. Men and women have different body and hormones won't change your bones shape.
The shape of the muscle are different too, since the bones aren't the sames, so are the muscles who link them.
Also men have bigger organs than women, bigger lungs and bigger hearts, which make for more oxygen for the muscles and given more quickly thanks to the faster blood flow.
That can't be changed with hormones. And whatever they do, they'll be at an unfair advantage because of those traits they were born with.
So except in the case where they were born significantly weaker than an average man, they'll always be stronger than women.
Keerya get this comment to the top
The males have a different center of gravity than females too.
not to mention if a transwoman has gone through male puberty she'll alerady have the effects of testosterone on her body
christine coles yep, and that affects how you run and your posture
Hello this is too logical to be admitted into the court of law!! It must be some idiotic argument in order for it to be considered.!
“We’re talking about a subject that’s so sensitive … “
It’s sensitive only if you’re an idiot. Anybody with half a brain knows that you don’t play sports with your gender identity, you play them with your body, and that If you have a man’s skeleton and muscles and hormones, you should be competing with and against men.
“Some of the comments were harsh, critics complaining that Andrea and Terry both have an unfair advantage because they were born boys.”
Yeah, that’s how it Is with the truth sometimes. It doesn’t care about your feelings. It doesn’t care whether you think it’s harsh or not.
“At what point do you decide, actually, it’s more appropriate for me to be on the girls’ team competing with other girls?”
I can’t see inside the young athletes’ minds, but I’ll bet the honest answer would have been “I decided it was more appropriate for me to compete against girls when I realized that I wasn’t good enough to compete against boys.”
This crosses the line as soon as it affects other people.
People can identify however they want to, but it just crosses the line when it negatively affects others.
Yes and its a majority of people that are being affected for the pleasure of a very small minority
Yummyleigh The "yoURe hOmoPhObiC," argument is a irrational, simple-minded response that you'll tend to see from a lot of people.
As I said, I'm all for people being able to identify as whatever they want and be accepted for that. But it just goes too far when it starts negatively affecting others.
To quote Dave Chapelle “Say Lebron James changed his gender … can he stay in the NBA? Or does he have to go to the WNBA, where he will score 800 points a game?”
4real! LeBron could join the WNBA at 60yrs old and still dominate..
Vince Carter is 42 rn... Gonna dunk on the 6’8” WNBA players LET’S GOOO
@@fuehdnsjwisj8097 Even Vince Carter right now at 42 years old would average 800+ in the WNBA
His gender wouldn’t change, but his identity and understanding of it would. For trans athletes, it’s a deeply personal and individual choice.
If that happened, people might actually watch the WNBA and Lebron would still be prettier than the women.
The fact media portrays this as if there are two equally as reasonable points of view here is just madness.
Yes, absolutely! These reporters show one of those classic behaviours you see in people who are pathologically selfish & unfair (argueing unashamedly even when they perfectly know there´s nothing to argue about).
Exactly!!! What compelling arguments, on both sides?!
It’s called framing
One is a former NFL player lmao of anyone knows how twisted it is that dude knows for sure.
Legit hilarious
Upside-down world. What can be said to argue with people who have chosen to be delusional and irrational?
this really hurts my heart. my sister lost her huge race that she WOULDVE WON in track because a biological man who identified as a woman beat her
Please tell your sister that thousands of us support her!! I dont care what anyone says. Your sister is the true winner here. Im disgusted by the feminists that are supporting biological men takeing over womans sports! They scream out against misogyny yet support it in womans sports!!
Did she stay quiet? Her probl then
Hahahahahahahahajajajaha
@@vlatkacobain you expect her sister (a real female) to fight a transformer with a ballsack?
Real sad but who's to be blamed??? The same democratic system that you support. So in essence ur being a hypocrite
If you think this isn't an issue, then have a look at how a woman identifying as a male would never have any impact on male sporting events
There are some that has competed and have the worst records and loses to the sorriest male players in that field
Just look at sports world records.
@Rachel Neige if you’re not judging then what are you currently doing😐
And your point is?
@@nickievandermerwe1582 The point is that these MEN have NOT undergone any type of surgery and barley any hormone therapy
"Some comments where harsh... Critics claimed that they had an unfair advantage"
That's harsh apparently
Harsh is a transgender woman cracking the skull of a natural born woman. I cannot stop thinking about it.
don't you know? telling men they can't have one thing (which is women's scholarships) is literal violence.
@@Sciencespipo You are putting this on men when a lot of women on the left are pushing this policy.
@QS729 How do you know anyone said these slurs? They don't have to say the slurs in order to make a direct allusion to them. The reason why they did not make a direct allusion to them is because they likely did not hear anyone say them.
@QS729 Well, I see no receipts that suggest the news station heard this being said.
Also, they are not public...they are a privately owned.
A person can identify as anything they want but it's up to me to decide if I except what I am seeing.
When they said “...physically I’m a man..” There it is! This is a physical competition. This shouldn’t be allowed.
Simple as that
Yes, exactly
That's what these parents and students have been saying all along.
A league of their own would be more fair.
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I am a female track runner and this actually scares me because I work so hard, my body aches and if I'm going against males who are taking drugs to be slightly weaker, those said makes say "just run faster" I can only be so fast with my actual female body :'(
A trans woman is a man pretending to be a woman. This is fact. Based on science. It is reality. Period. No logical argument. There is nothing wrong with pretend time as long as it doesn't affect other people's reality.
Most Women have supported this nonsense forever , but now it’s effecting them directly and NOW it’s “not okay”
@@Xxrocknrollgod really? Lmao
What happen to wanting equality lmao
Women created this and they should stfu and deal with it
You can’t say “oh y’all should just run faster” no matter how faster they run your body will still be different
Their rights apparently trump biological women’s rights.
Hey ah Porchia you should just run faster ;)
Transphobe 🤢🤢🤮🤮
@Memes For Today Yeah Why can't these slow women just run faster
Absolutely agree. It is not like motorsport like F1 where you can put anybody in the Mercedes team and just win the whole time lol
Crazy it's been almost 5 years and WE'RE STILL FACING THIS ISSUE AND ITS ONLY GETTING WORSE! ITS TIME TO TAKE A STAND!
i think that just recently, there was a couple of girls at a track event who refused to compete against a transgender competitor....and the girls got punished for it.
World's fastest male runner: male
World's fastest female runner: also male
Miss Universe 2018 is.....Mr. Spain!!
they are not men
@@paloma4444 oh yah i forgot, gender os a matter od preference now a days. Just crazy that before lgbt is fighting for equal respect and rights. Now they are practicing the exact opposite, Lgbt wants to out class other. Like in sports and beauty.
@@kamayigk4518 what should gender be a matter of? What is between your legs? Your chromossomes? Your looks? Everyone's biology is different.
@@paloma4444 you are fooling your self!
Mens bone structures are different. Bone structure plays a big role in muscle development too. I think its unfair to the other woman who put in work only to be outcompeted by these two. Im sorry we ve gone too far. These two are very different from the other woman and someone needs to stop being a wuss and say it as it is.
Karisma King Not just bone structure but muscle power, muscle length, ligament laxity/composition, tendon structure... Everything!!!
khemistryy so true I'm laughing at the likes and dislikes ratio
Karisma King Bone structure has nothing to do with muscle development. They underwent hormone therapy, they're women.
Jonathan Xavier what about their xy chromosone doh?
Karisma King don't tell the Nazi feminists that
They have a right to compete, just not against other girls their bodies are not the same
except that there are cis women with high testosterone levels .. and trans women on hormones have no advantage.. this is being blown out of proportion
alex antifascist action they’ve already gone thru puberty as males so they do have an advantage.
@@alexantifascistaction310 blown out of the proportion? Sure, just look at the cyclists, wrestlers and weightlifter, just to name a few and tell me again how this is fair. Their opponents train hard af just to be outclassed by women who were born men and therefore have a significant advantage.
Mens bodies have evolved to be stronger than women since hunter-gatherer roles. It is much easier for a biological male to gain muscle mass and have more endurance for running.
@@meowmeowcutekitty8176
Also their bones are denser and their hips/legs are more effective in running
The only argument on the left side is to fulfill their selfish nature..
Transgenders should compete against each other. They said it themself. They’re different from everybody
Right and have their own separate thing. Let's us real boys and girls do our thing.
seriously! the most annoying thing is the fact that biological females are agreeing to the erasure of their own representation in sports. everybody just blindly agrees to whatever nowadays simply because they believe it’s “politically correct”.
If they have their own competition then it's just like they are also competing against men. Still a men's comp
Probably not even 1 in 100 people are trans. Not enough people for that
I agree. But dont call them "transgenders" thats literally dehumanizing them. Use it as an adjective, not a noun. Transgender people instead
There's definitly a reason why all these transgenders you see in sport are almost always male to female, and not the other way around. And that speaks for itself.
No, it is because these are the ones unfairly being focused on in legislation. There are multiple trans men who are athletes, such as Chris Mosier, who even tried out for the Olympics, Patricio Manuel, a boxer, and Schuyler Bailar, a swimmer.
@@imkesalz8059 Are they winning against other biological males ??? NO. that's it. That's the problem
@@Greyce118 EXACTLY. They're not winning.
@@imkesalz8059 I think you've proven their point. Hey I identify as a man with cerebral palsy, can I join the special Olympics?
Alot of gay men who won't just come out
just be honest and admit that this is a problem.
Resistance 1990
It is, that’s why trans women should compete against other trans women
Trans men should compete against trans men
That way men and women’s records won’t be beaten by anyone other than afab or amab
Ooor just make them compete against their biological gender
Never mind. For transgenser guys that would be unfair since they literally use drugs then to get better than other girls
Bageda you consider testosterone drugs for trans guys? It’s a hormone....
300bpm well then if you’re going to ignore something as crucial as gender dysphoria or the fact that transitioning actually helps relieve a person of gender dysphoria, and you’re just gonna look at that and say transgender doesn’t exist then I’m sorry but you’re a fucking idiot
I’m tired of being @ on this fucking video, nobody respond to me anymore
The best way to beat them "boys" is to just boycott. Without athletes, there will be no money to make. It's all about money.
The fact that this is actually a conversation makes my brain hurt
Who’s side are you on?
Barry B. Benson I don’t think trans women should compete in women’s sports
Miryam Jacob Yeah I agree
transphobes mad
They are women who are biologically male, so they still have some male advantages such as having a bigger heart,higher testosterone levels,more red blood cells etc. So it is unfair to biological women who are at a disadvantage. It doesn’t matter that they identify as women,they still have those male advantages,they should just make another category for trans people.
Give them their own league and let them compete against each other, this is unfair to biological women
Yeah girls shouldn't be running with girls with NUTS 🤷♂️ i'm just saying
Their own league will be dominated by biological makes but let's pretend there's no difference between cis women and trans women lmao
@@bigg1342 Thats funny
@@robertherbst9200 PEACE 👍
Yes
Imagine in year 2030:
Men’s sports: All men
Women’s sports: All transgenders
Exactly, we are witnessing the end of female sports. There's male sports and co-ed sports.
If one of these "girls" is allowed to complete at the college level in women's sports, then it will be the end of biological women in sports. If one college has an unbeatable athlete, the only way every other colleges will be able to complete is by finding a former male that is as fast or faster. The result is only biological men are recruited to participate in women's sports. This generates a cottage industry of men going "trans" so that they can get a free ride to college competing as a woman.
QS729 Oh so not a huge number of people are doing it, so it makes it okay. Thanks that makes *total* sense
Rational for making it okay. Just 150 teen transgenders in US. Well if they want to get into College, they should easily be able to compete against girls to get in, but impossible with other men.
It can. Be like that
The answer is not women lose. Protect women's sports. Give them their own sports.
Why is it that you'll NEVER hear about "transgender men" competing in men's sports? Hmmm?
They can if they want to
Transgender men have less natural testosterone since they were born females. They are at a disadvantage so no one cares enough to petition against them
They have a major disadvantage so theyre never really winning any championships so no one cares about them
Chris Griffin true but it’s not fair to criticize the guys when the girls are doing the same thing. Nobody cares because when girls do it because they aren’t game changers.
Eman 123 never win a championship? There are girls on football teams, hell they don’t even have to lift a finger to win a championship
Its an extremely selfish way to look at it. They and their parents are only interested in their own gains, not anything else. "they need to express themselves". If this madness is allowed to continue it will be the death of women's sports.
Anson Robinson well said! 🙌🏽👏🏽
Then let it die or do i have to remind you that it was women who supported this insanity to begin with? They wanted it now they can deal with it, alone.
EXTREMELY selfish.
Bingo AR as it will be the death of women's sports and who is too blame for this . The women of this country who refuse to stand up against this foolishness in the first place. Instead of calling this non-sense out women continue to play the compassion role as I have heard them actually telling these trans how good they look etc. I also blame white America as whites are still in major control of this nation and instead of getting these people the help they need the encourage it and say go out and compete against real women. Now many even face threats if they refuse to call a he a she. People are waking up to this and I hope you guys will speak loud and clear in fighting this.
There are plenty of females who have more testosterone than males so the "males are stronger" line is not entirely accurate. Also, it's been proven that a person's sex does not determine their gender. These males are not only women, they are having hormone therapy which is shrinking their testosterone level and causing their estrogen level to rise. And, finally, it is illegal to refuse someone the opportunity to be on a sports team that fits their gender, as long as they met the requirements at tryouts.
"2 men won in an all girls contest" ... there, fixed ur issue for u
and who said that women are better than men? lol
@@buki7474 none
No advantage? NO ADVANTAGE!? Let me drop some knowledge on you.
1. Men have bigger hearts than women. (able to pump more blood)
2. Men have bigger lungs than women. (able to produce more oxygen at maximum exertion levels)
3. Men have a greater amount of muscle bulk than women. (more power)
4. Men's legs are about 80% muscle, women's legs are about 60% muscle. (again, more power)
5. Men produce far more testosterone than women. (advantage in many ways)
6. Men have more and larger fast twitch muscle than women. (helps with sprinting)
7. Men have more hemoglobin than women do (protein in red blood cells that carries oxygen to the body's tissues, including muscles)
I could name many more, need I !? It is not fair for women to be competing against transsexuals. PERIOD.
Fully agree. I'm from South Africa, we don't have this issue here but I cant fucking believe that this is tolerated. Fuck their feelings.
I'm with you
Men also have a much more efficient running form. Because of the female body and the placement and size of the hips, women run with an arm swing that naturally goes across the chest instead of straight, or “cheek to cheek.” they also have much more wobble and shake in their form, making a female athlete generally much less efficient of a runner.
James Smoak right you are sir
Plus women have periods... Period
I’m not against transgenders but imagine Shaquille O’Neal in his prime getting a gender switch and playing in the WMBA It’s just not fair
Why lol
😁😁😁😁😁😁
This might be the most sensible comment ever at first I was confused why everyone is saying all this but when I saw this I understand you made your point without insulting them or saying they are boys when they clearly want to identify as females it’s not like they can help it anyway but thank you
I used this same argument in a discussion. If 7'1 280 lbs Shaq said he identifies with being a woman and became a tyranny would they have let him join and if so would he have had an unfair advantage? Of course he would. It's not even an argument. Just like these two boys pretending to be girls.
*Shaq join the WNBA*
The answer is YES.
I guess women's rights are trumped by trans' feelings.
I know right? To think that trans women might replace real women in the future. I cant imagine how my daughters and grandaughters life would be in that kind of society.
This is literally degrading all women into birthing machines only because trans women might become the preferred wife in the future, and under dogs in women related acheivements. This is really frustrating.
@@janinebelleestrada7096 No worries. It is not the first time in history something like this happens. It is usually a sign of a dying society.
@Ivy Vargas It's not about excluding Transgender people. It's understanding basic biological interaction between androgens and the musculoskeletal (also organs and other aspects) system during puberty and beyond. IMO you can use whichever bathroom you want, chose how you are called and live how you want. But when it comes to competitions, you can't deny basic endocrinology.
@@janinebelleestrada7096 and thats the gag of the motherfucking century!!
I agree with your first statement but they way you expressed your second sentence sounds terf-ish.
Male are always gonna be male , transgender doesn’t change de sex, they need to have their own competition .
Facts. Like we got special leagues. Maybe they need a trans league. People may not really watch it but at least they can compete
There's a word invented for this type of stuff: it's called cheating.
Ignorant
@@danielarubioooo have any male trans athletes dominated any men's sports?
@@danielarubioooo Congratulations! So far you are the only person I could find in this entire comment section who disagrees with nearly everybody else! I'm sure there are a few others but honestly, I could not find them!
M Burks it’s called transphobia
These are guys. Period. You or anyone will ever make me lie to them
The parents who said "just some medal" must have never done track. It takes usually years of work and commitment to compete at state. It's completely unfair that anyone should be allowed to cheat the work just to feel better about themselves. Like what if you train or study or practice something for years and have it taken away from you in a way that you can't do anything about, you would be upset too.
You made the rules, expanded it, promoted it. We take the advantage from the said rule you pushed everyday on media and succeed. You are just soar loser. You hear me? STINKY. SOAR. LOSER.😂
@@unconscious7219 sore* dumbass if youre gonna say stupid things at least spell correctly😂
Same for the “girl” who said the other girls should “just run faster” to keep up with the biological males... sorry, what? Cause obviously they’re not trying rn
@@unconscious7219 Actually, ironically or not, there's truth to what you are saying. We (society) did make the rules and left loopholes. Is it bad there's so little morality and ethics currently for people not to exploit them. Or maybe it's good that they do, it shows what is truly valuable and dangerous to be destabilized. Sports and gender norms are among those things. And medals are very important, they signify true achievement and advancement of the individual and a collective. That's why medals were made of the most expensive materials known at the time. Fuck participation trophies, we need to get the rules, and most importantly individuals right.
By cheating, do you mean the way women regularly exclude half the population from competition? Women's sports should be illegal. Give women what they want: EQUALITY.
“ It would just push me to .. run faster” your literal bodies are DIFFERENT. The fastest woman will never beat the fastest man because of how different their bodies are. It’s basic biology. This is completely ridiculous,selfish and unfair. Taking away biological women’s rights and that which they have most likely worked their whole life for is just sick.
Hm...I guess that she (transgender girl) should run at least once a month against some guys. She would have opportunity to do her best. Motivated runner
@@oceanaoushn8803 A trans woman would NEVER win against men in a MENS track meet. No matter how hard she works, she’ll always have a disadvantage. Just facts
all the girls in my class are faster than the guys , what’s ur point
@@canniba1vamp1re whats the point? If I was naturally born a girl and worked my whole life to be a pro athlete just for some guy to decide they want to be a female and break records and beat all the girls by a lot wouldn't that be unfair? They were naturally born a boy just because you apparently are mentally a female doesn't mean you don't have the traits of a male or went through puberty as a male.
Sure - so would your doped competitor right ? Ridiculous
Even after transitioning, the advantage is still there, simply because the male and female bodies are different. We saw what happened with William "Lia" Thomas.
best thing ever ... now it needs to be done for every other MTF athlete ...
2019: where feelings are more important than actual facts
I honestly support transgenders but I think that this isn’t fair for the biological girls because it puts them at such a disadvantage
Ikr,America just about doomed itself now
Divine Riot scary
Yep this country is fucked if we ever have another liberal president.
fishing freak no we’re not gonna have a liberal president we will have a “Democratic Socialist” president, Bernie is the dems best chance to hold the office
I’m not against transgenders, but it’s plain unfair
Gentlemen of FC agree
Same i swing left and this shit isnt ok genetically born dudes should not compete with genetically born girls its not fair im all for gay rights and i will fight for equality but this isnt equality
@@MrTomkat030 nah u
I agree. I don't have a problem with transgenders. But letting biological males compete against biological females is inappropriate and it's cheating. I identify as a motorbike so I'm going to compete on the women's track team.
@@crawfish069 I do have a problem with the whole situation. Being transgender means that you have a mental issue and liberals try to turn it into something normal. But it isn't, transgenders suffer from a high suicide rate etc.
I'm witnessing the end to female sport as we know it.
To be honest. Nobody cared or watched female sports other than the Olympics anyways
Women wanted this. Remember.
Infiltrated by men!
@@wifauldi1 women are the ones that wants everyone to accept them 🤷♂️
@@wifauldi1 you’re being transphobic
If women DONT START boycotting this, the future of women's sports is over. Girls should REFUSE to race against these MEN.
i think there recently was a couple of girls who did refuse to race against transgender. and guess who got punished for it.
They should make a transgender track team. That’s a simple fix
That wouldn’t be the fix though look: Transgender people make up for 0.6% of the population as a whole. Which means if there is a transgender person on a team it probably would just be them or maybe one other transgender athlete. There wouldn’t be enough people to make up one entire team. Also that is segregating transgender people from the rest of the group which just seems kind of off.💁🏾♀️
@@irene.5798 t
They are guys.
@@irene.5798 ok but what is the solution then? because they clearly have an advantage over girls in that sport. putting them with boys again? that would be hurtful for their identity, i understand, but it is not fair that they compete with biological women
Well I don’t see how that would work out because they’re not that many transgender people in the world.
Clique You got better idea then?
Athletes aren’t allowed to take enhancement drugs so how is this any different
The drugs used by Transgender girls/women will actually slow you down !! i.e. Testosterone inhibitors and Estrogen mainly. So I'd settle for trans girls who have had hormones for a year or more being allowed to compete. Also there are cases where trans girls don't even place against cisgender girls !! The most dedicated will win but even then it is the fastest everytime and then you have to maintain that !! Winning all the time every race is very hard work .
No dice, folks. These men have a different muscle makeup aney are physically different.
How is this any different from steroids? You can't use steroids!
It’s not just the natural advantage of testosterone. Men have bigger lungs, bigger hearts, more muscle in general, higher fast twitch fibre ratio etc. The fact they are allowed to compete against biological women is ludicrous.
Tamsin Mc Cormick Ok so what are you going to do about the trans men
Does HRT decrease the size of the heart and lungs? No, it doesn't.
There's a great deal more going on than hormones. Trans women are trans women, not biological women.
They have undue advantages.
"wondering if there is an unfair advantage"???? seriously?
It's called... "Win at any cost, and regardless of who it discriminates against". They're discriminating against biological women. These guys were not trans for years, they just started doing this recently. Sorry, not okay!
The problem I see is these two will be competing for sports scholarships that should be going to biological girls. There needs to be some way that those with a biological advantage don't stomp out those that work hard to get something. That girl that came in third place will lose out because she is not playing on equally playing field.
Can’t believe she said “ just run faster”
Orion Ewing he**
That's a whole dude 😂
*He said
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They should interview the third place girl who is the rightful winner
ruclips.net/video/NIlq85dL0C4/видео.html
She is equal to man!!!
lol
tchrisou812 thanks good documentary
There is a video of the girl who started the petition. She placed 8th and has to sit out because she wasn't in the top 6.
Leticia Francisco but what about the third? She was 8th, and even without the trans shed be 6th. What about the *3rd*?
I’m sorry but this isn’t discrimination ...they biologically have an unfair advantage
William Baric -I can sense the sarcasm in your comment. Stop making fun of feminist. That won't get rid of them, it only fuels them.
William Baric- Lol ,but the
question is what will get rid of them I understand that people will always have different opinions but if someone's opinion can be disproven with facts and they don't listen to those facts, then that's being delusional. And it doesn't effect me of weather they know the truth or not but if they keep spreading their ideas to the next generation. Then society will become some sort of MAN HATE society. Which is not a society I want me,my future son, or daughter to live in.
William Baric but its gender for fricks sake, even though I know your being sarcastic but still
William Baric actually we have this sort of thing in individual sports. It's called a weight class.
That is sexist af.. go away you white male white supremacist racist trolls
Who is more crazy? This two guys or whoever is allowing this??
"Some of those comments were harsh. Critics complaining they had an unfair advantage since the were born boys."
Well, the truth hurts
and so does transphobia.
amethyst how is this transphobia? it’s true.. these girls were once biologically boys and so they have an advantage over bio girls. it isn’t just their testosterone, it’s their body structure, muscle mass and many other things that make guys biologically stronger than girls. if they want to play track so much why don’t they just join the boys team where they actually have an equal chance??
@@doomb1ke are you blatantly denying the fact that transphobia doesn't hurt? otherwise, i'm very sure that you have never in your life researched an ounce of the fact that hormone replacement therapy physically alters the body, taking away from a trans woman's muscle and bone structure because of estrogen in the body. and i'm just curious, are you more concerned with the "fairness" of a track and field race or are you more concerned with blatant transphobia by segregating trans women from cis women and forcing them to be with men because of a singular chromosome. in fact, don't you think that if both terry and andraya (the girls in the video shown) were on the boys team it would be unfair for them because they weren't real boys either, and wouldn't that be considered transphobic because they are grouping two transgender women with cisgender men because they were 'born boys' so they have to 'participate as boys'? anyways, here's some research showing that hormone replacement therapy physically alters a trans woman's bone and muscle structure:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5182227/
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20625973/
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6046513/
the only thing differentiating a trans woman's body and a cis woman's body is a singular chromosome - in fact, every single human body has its own unique amounts of estrogens and androgens; trans women during hormone replacement therapy are *supposed* to have lower amounts of testosterone and higher amounts of estrogen. but of course.. ignorance truly is bliss.
Only when your skin is thinner than a blade of grass.
@amethyst. Do either of them “look” like they have diminished bone and muscle mass? Come on ..
The fact that they hit 1st and 2nd says enough...
And they've broken all the state records. One broke 9 records that were held by 8 different girls.
And the next race they lost, your point?
@@blitszina2570 probably on purpose lol
@@blitszina2570 what's his point?! 😂 Nice try
@@blitszina2570 so ur saying there is no difference between men and women ? then lets see a trans women fighting against biological women
Bois why don't we just identify as paralyzed and take over paralympics
People did that.
Cartman
Spanish basketball team did already 😂
egger I’m in let’s do it....il claim I’m disabled person trapped in a normal body so we can win it all baby yeahhhh
Ffs 🤦🏻♂️ what is going on in the world
Andy M Right! Imagine being transphobic in 2019
TheY need to play what they came into the WORLD AS A MALE PERIOD YOUNG MAN REGARDLESS
Imagine going into a coma in 2009 and waking up now. The world is going mad
Fuck that would make a great comedy
Watch the movie "Idiocracy"
hahahaha, forreal
Oh....my....... gosh......that is so true. They would probably think they were in an alternate universe.
I SWEAR!!!!! THAT IS THE PERFECT PERSPECTIVE YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!! This shit is crazy
If males don't have an advantage, then why don't all men compete against women... ...oh, that's right....because they're DIFFERENT
UNDERRATED COMMENT ALERT
So...can any man take testosterone reducers and compete in women's events (without nominally declaring transwomanhood)? If not, why not?
Jim Inverness
Because they are men, and testosterone isn’t the only advantage
“I’m a slow black boy, so I decided to be a fast black girl.”
Um chile thats jus rude,like chill tf out
nevan dixon shut up loser
GLOBEkli tepe EXACTLY!! IF YOU HAVE A PENIS YOURE A MAN DOESNT TAKE ROCKET SCIENCE TO KNOW WHAT GENDER YOU ARE LIKE CMON...they need help
😂😂😂😂
Allisa It’s funny that you said that, since you don’t seem to understand the difference between gender and biological sex.
What is the unfair advantage that males have over females: TESTOSTERONE
This really isn’t a debate since the Government, World Athletic Council and Scientist are well aware that transgender females still retain the physiology of their male biological gender.
Testosterone levels affect everything in males from the reproductive system and sexuality to muscle mass and bone density.
How is this fair?
Male physiology cannot be reformatted by estrogen therapy in transgender athletes because testosterone has created permanent effects through early life exposure. Inborn male physiological advantages lead to superior athletic performance. Hormone therapy fails to completely recreate a female-like physiology in the male. Ultimately, the former male physiology of transgender athletes provides them with a physiological advantage over the female athlete.
Again how is this fair?
‘Testosterone is one of many factors involved in the development of muscle bulk and strength. Testosterone increases neurotransmitters, which encourages tissue growth. It also interacts with nuclear receptors in DNA, which causes protein synthesis. Testosterone increases levels of growth hormone. That makes exercise more likely to build muscle.’ (See: Established facts)
In other words, the transgender (fe)male still maintains the physiology of a male. Therefore, they are cheating non-transgender women out of a fair competition with other women like them in sports.
This agenda is socially established by discrimination, and intolerance of the original physiology of women. Instead of establishing your own pathway by virtue of who you are in your human existence; you shove aside the human experience of another human being. A female human being that most transgender persons were born from: Physiologically Born Females.
Stop trying to control and rearrange the unique female human being into a man made image of what a female should be.
STOP TRYING TO BE WHO WE ARE AND BE YOURSELF. Because who you are not is a woman.
I agree, unfair advantage. Genetics are genetics. They have more natural muscle and less fat. They have testosterone and, because they are so young, they probably haven't had enough estrogen hormone therapy to make this fair.
Kelly Bre'Ahye First of all, what you coming at people's hair for? Second of all, do you even know how the human body works?
Kelly Bre'Ahye - Keep your ghetto speak, name and mentality where it belongs...far the fuck from me. They were born male so, of course, they have testosterone...why do you think they have to have estrogen? Try not stooping to ignorant levels over RUclips comments and insulting complete strangers simply because you happen to disagree. The two trans girls in this video have more class, are more lady like and speak with and have more elegance and respect in their big toes than you have in your entire being. SMH
Leslie Manson - Exactly! Thank you!
Kelly Bre'Ahye Every human on the planet has testosterone you stupid bitch lol. Shut the fuck up
Kelly Bre'Ahye bitch why you talking about how people look? Have you looked at yourself? Lmao
The world has gone insane. Anyone who lets this happen is absolutely crazy, ridiculous
Thank you!! God I had to.go to RUclips to find, search and hunt for people who think like me..
@@mskissmyazzify trust me, people with a brain still exist
@@mskissmyazzify SAME man like people seem to think these men are women and vice versa but they're not like omg no one has common sense except a few people
I’m guess this is the spot for trans phobes. I don’t belong here.
@@dropatear5379 We're only speaking facts but, good day mate.
Why is this even a debate?
Because some people want to argue that they are women, because they chose so.
People are stupid
Because you'll hurt their fee fees
@@torontomapleleafs100 So are you for hating on the Latino World Order (LWO) jabroni!
Because this is America
They are men competing in women's sporting events. Should not be there.
Fallon Fox vs Tamikka Brents being a prime example
When did you decide to compete against females?....... "When I lost against the guys." 🤣
My bad. I wrote the same thing before reading your post.
Pretty much
Yup
I weigh 250 pounds. But I identify as a lightweight... look out boxing, here I come !!!!
Men that identify as minors now allowed to date 12 year old girls.