Many of us were left with few options but to delete the whole mess. After multiple failures, inability to get parts and warranty running out on insanely expensive components, it made more sense to just remove it all. Thankfully some of us live in states with no emissions testing, so we can get away with tossing a couple hundred pounds of headache into the bin and letting our trucks breathe.
It’s a shame that you have to tear $15k worth of parts off the new trucks just to get them to run right. Then pay at least another couple grand for the kit and tune. Another reason why newer diesel trucks are so expensive…tens of millions spent on emissions r&d, manufacturing, and lobbying
Yay.. The EPA has saved us!! How much energy is going to be expended in regen, replacement parts and decreased efficiency. If we got the calculator our, I bet its a net negative...
Exactly my thought, just add up the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of gallons used just to transport DEF by tanker trailer or by pallets of it in plastic jug form, all that wasted fuel and energy just to create, package and transport DEF… then include the energy for SCR, DPF and EGR systems to be created, transported, and that whole circle of a process… I bet if we had none of these emissions systems, the end result would be the same .
I can tell ya one truck that isnt gonna get this recall done MINE!!!! 140k on mine with absolutely ZERO problems with the emissions on it it has a tuner and is still running emissions!! i get about 2500 miles out of a full def tank so if it aint broke i am NOT gonna fix it!!!
As an auto technician in CA, I can tell you CARB is only concerned with procuring $$ however necessary. Having dealt with getting 'CARB EO exemption certification' for aftermarket parts, it is literally about paying them enough $$ till they say ok certified.
@@elcaminomantjust like every government agency. Permission is only granted to use our rights when we pay the kings ransom. It’s getting real 1776-ey around here….
@ALMX5DP We are all getting scammed by the EPA and government for the push for EV's and these bullshit emissions systems. But hey, they just released the largest cruise liner ever built- make it make sense.
IDK if it was the way you talked about it or if I maybe misunderstood how you said it but in regards to the ECM, the ECM is fully programed at the Cummins Midrange Engine Plant and the engine is shipped to the Ram assembly plant with the ECM affixed to the side of the engine with the engine side harness attached. This allows Cummins to test run every single engine before shipping to Ram assembly plant.
You are correct. ECM is from Cummins. The RAM/Cummins agreement says that Cummins is not allowed to connect to any RAM trucks and if caught there is huge fines. So Cummins isn’t allowing any of their mechanics the software to hook up. It’s not like Cummins doesn’t know how to connect to their own engines. They just won’t take the chance of getting caught.
There's a Supreme Court case in litigation right now regarding the authority and reach of US government agencies like the EPA. The conservative majority court is expected to overturn existing case law with their decision which will reel in these unelected bureaucrats. We'll see what happens.
With the after-treatment systems, these trucks were not made to be daily driving vehicles. I tried to make the daily driving work with my 2018 RAM, but the DFP was getting build-up only a matter of time before it failed. As Alex mentioned, you have to get them on the highway and get them hot to avoid some of these after-treatment issues.
Correct. I had my DPF removed and cleaned about 2 months ago. The mechanic told me to go on mini road trip every Sunday, run it in 4th gear to get the rpms up above 2000 When return home, let it idle for about 15 minutes so it can cool down properly
@@timothymoses216 That's exactly what I was told to do by the dealership with my 2018 - drive it on the highway for about 20 mins each week and make sure the DPF cycle finishes. Eventually, I had the exhaust upgraded and that solved the issue.
@@timothymoses216 The in-dash screen would be nice on the 4th gen trucks. I used my EDGE CTS3 monitor to see the regen process. Before that I had the simple OBD2 dongle plugged in my truck with a mobile phone app to see what the truck was doing on the regen (DPF temps go up and fuel mileage goes down).
So the 2023 I bought has a dpf gauge and it'll regen at 25%. I use it only to tow my camper or tractor ajd it never gets to 25% anymore. I bought a beater to DD. I've has the 23 for 6 months and towed 5k miles. You guys are correct, this truck isn't really made to be a bro truck. If it's used for how it was designed, the emissions components aren't problematic. It's all refined and modeled after our class 8 counterparts
I'm glad I still own my 07.5 2500 4x4 that I bought brand new in late 07. The cost of parts for these vehicles are insane, if I had to replace everything it would probably cost $15,000+ if you could find the parts. I really can't understand why one state sets the rules for an entire country on this matter, California is a joke. Can't wait to see all the lithium batteries from their electric vehicles pile up and then see what they do. My stuff got "stolen" and I can't find the other's that "fell off" while driving. Good video and straight foward information.
2019 trucks were already recalled back in 2020 when Ram released the VB6 emissions recall. 67A is 2013-2018 trucks. The recall flash is nothing more than a NOx sensor strategy change. 2020 and newer trucks already have the updated flashes and necessary updates.
@@jefflamb2900 I would love to but because I just purchased it in September and had requirements. Had to be under 100k. It also had to have extended warranty. Also able to be serviced by Ram Dealer. After its up I'm free to do what I need.
The whole point of SCR/DEF systems was to move NOx reduction OUTSIDE of the combustion chamber to reduce the need for EGR to lower combustion temperatures in the cylinder and to reduce particulate production during the combustion process. So, it would seem to me that the LOGICAL solution to the NOx emission issue would be to enhance the SCR/DEF capabilities of reducing NOx emissions, not regressing to dirtier, lower temperature combustion that increases particulates. In that light, having the software increase DEF usage to potentially reduce NOx outside of the engine's combustion chamber would make sense.
And that's the reason I'm not going to let them update my 2014. I've already had 3 recalls on my def system. 3 dpf filters, 3 scrs, 3 def pumps, 2 water pumps, 1 egr valve, all recalled or warenteed. I recently put a turbo actuator on it at 189,000 and still running original turbo. I'm at 206,000 miles rt now. I've cleaned the egr valve and tube only but never that filter box above the turbo, I don't want to even get into that nightmare although it's probably getting pretty clogged up by now. I have lost some power and gas mileage.
Very good point, often overlooked, most of the ships are carrying a bunch of low quality dollar store crap that we should be manufacturing in North America anyway.
I’m not going to say I’m the most environmentally conscious person out there & definitely no tree hugger, but what exactly is the US EPA supposed to do about the hundreds or thousands of cargo ships registered in every other country EXCEPT the US? Maybe require ships within the 12 miles or so(?) around US to run on ULSD? or wind power? Maybe battery/solar?
Just off the top of my head. Tax seems to work. That is what is done to us. Maybe make it cost effective to manufacture here in the US. Its all about control and money.
Have a 2018 peterbilt with 527,000 miles. I use pittsburgh power fuel catalyst faithfully. Keeps combustion very clean with limited sensor failure. Cleaned dpf at 350,000, well past recommended time.
I have a 2018 ram 2500 with the Cummins. I don’t plan to get this recall done. I haven’t had any issues with this truck. I added a banks intake horn and this helped with power and mpg.
Usually they will refuse to allow you to register your vehicle if its a federally required recall (EPA) until you have the recall taken care of. Thats what happened to me.
What about China and India’s pollution? What about the multiple hundred’s of nuclear tests the us did back in the day in the ocean and in Nevada? Sure that’s a lot worse for the o-zone than my 6.7 restricted diesel. Crazy how the government always goes after the working man in some way, shape or form. Great video my guy
same BS here in europe- even more crazy- they ship the cars that dont pass emmissions (and other so called junk or wrecked but drive) to near east and africa - there they drive foranother 20 years- so this whole pollution thing is a joke
So happy to own a Gen3 Ram 5.9 Cummins... not as much HP and TRQ as the 4th and 5th Gen units...but such deficiencies can be rectified with aftermarket tuners (at least here in Canada). I saw nuttin but trouble from day one with the 6.7 and EGR/DEF systems .. as with anything that starts out simple and gets revised .. there is never a guarantee that the changes make for a better system...a sad state of affairs when 3 government agencies/boards interfere with engine design and spec ..... many Canuks were dropping $2K to have the EGR/DEF sytems removed (clandestinely of course).
I'm out west in B.C. and just received my 67a recall. I plan on doing it as others have stated no performance changes, just slightly more use of DEF fluid.
You touched up on the things I was gonna mention which is long idle times and not allowing your truck and emissions system to get up to temperature….. those there are big issues…. If you have at least 15mins of highway cruising time that’s usually enough time to get up to temp but if your primary commute is under 10 miles per trip consider once per week taking your truck for a cruise for about 1-2 hours at highways speeds
And unfortunately best cases are longer distance hauling so the truck has to work more so if you are buying an emissions truck all of them suffer to a degree with these issues so if your wanting a big truck but can’t avoid the trouble driving conditions or take your truck for long drives on regular a basis get a gasser version and you should save a lot of headaches…..
If you have renewable diesel in your area it cuts down on DEF usage a lot. I'm assuming it burns much cleaner as advertised so less def is needed. Seems to keep my 1st gen smoke down too....best of both worlds
Far as I know, railway locomotives are pretty much the most fuel efficient way to move cargo period. It's probably only 27 locomotives because of the cost to perform the retro fit and the length of time the NOx reduction will take place in is probably many years and way more miles than an average Ram 2500/3500 truck driver
I was referring to a diesel fired engine heater. In the cold, plug it in (Block, pan, and battery) when you can. When out and about, fire up the Espar or Webasto to keep the engine warm and no /or little warm-up time required.
On the bigger ISL in our fire trucks it’s really bad because they do a lot of stop and go and idle on scene for hours at a time so it’s even worse in the commercial truck side.
Emissions on a diesel are almost crippling. I know when I had ALL of my emissions removed on my 2016 Duramax, she breathed so freely, and accelerated so effortlessly, it felt as if I was driving with my brakes on the whole time before that.
I have 10x 6.7 ISB's. If I do a service I run a regen and observe the live data for issues. This should be done anytime the vehicle is inspected. I have not had one stopped up EGR cooler yet. The pedestal gets clogged regularly, but the symptoms are easy on that. I have had 2 EGR coolers leak and need to be replaced. If temp one is over 750 degrees it needs a cooler, less than 400 won't regen needs a new cooler(leaky). Temp 3 higher than temp 2 the DOC is clogged. PPM level 2 over ~70(end of regen) then there is a hole in the DPF. Always inspect the doser. If PPM 2 levels are really low and it smells like a wet mop you got a leaky doser, check the tailpipe to see if it has been hanging out with scarface.
Is there any way to tell if my 2015 has the 2 sensor SCR short of just presenting my VIN? And I am SOOO glad that the EPA now has $1.7 billion to buy us some clean air. That's what they do with the money, right?
I bought a 2023 ram Laramie Cummins a year ago, tranny went out completely at 7k miles. Dealership fixed it no cost. It went out again at 12k miles it stayed in the shop for 60 days after that. Got it back and no problems tell last month. This time it was puking transmission fluid out of the dip stick tube. I'm really thinking about parking it in my uncle's 200 acre farm. Buy 1000 pounds of tanerite and blowing the truck up and go buy a old Chevy truck
Man... I have been watching this closely. I appreciate your information. I literally just bought a brand new 2023 RAM 2500 Tradesman w/the Cummins 6.7L I6 on December 22nd 2023 and then I start hearing about this!!! I'm a new truck and 1st time diesel owner, bought this to haul a toy hauler eventually. Hey BTW those wheels you have on your 3500 could I get a set of those for my 2500 I eventually want to replace my steel wheels with the covers BUT want to keep the stock wheel and tire dimensions?
It’s not about emissions. It’s about them trying to find a way to self-fund their agency. They have been u see threats from congress to cut their funding before. Just like police departments self-funding using fines from unmanned speed cameras.
Just a thought. Egr valves don't make the engine produce any more particulate they just make the engine eat it again so there shouldn't be any more particulate going through the dpf and creating the need for more regens
My work truck is a 2017 Ram 4500 and I took it to the dealership to see if it had the recall. They looked it up and it doesn’t have the recall. I wanted to see if I could see or notice a change in power, fuel/DEF consumption, not my truck so it would’ve been a good test for me.
I have a 2006 Laramie 4x4 quad cab Cummins with 63k miles and in practically mint condition Thankfully none of this applies to me. With all this going on, my truck is likely worth more now than what I paid for it in ‘06.
Well its interesting that CA has a massive budget debt issue. It sure seems fishy to me and they are not declaring how much of that nearly 2 billion CA will get. I have a 2500 2018 RAM and I am holding the recall notice in my hand unfortunately.
My new 2023 Cummins had DEF issues... Was leaking on exhaust and was DEF injector... Mechanic said it might be worse... No loaner or even shuttle service home. Went and traded that day. Never again...
With the increase in egr the possibility of carbon packing in cylinders becomes a very real possibility as well. Remember the carbon packing in the ISXs ? This could become a real problem for Cummins AND owners.
My 14 hasn’t been to the dealership in 5 years. It’s definitely not going back now. My truck has special “tuning” that will get wrecked if they touch it.
I'll go ahead and keep my defeat device. I feel that going through more DEF would cause more waste in plastic jugs. So I'm saving the environment by not getting the update.
I complied with 67A, the very next day, my truck set a MIL P1C54. The Consent Decree Appendix B describes a Special Extended Warranty. Yet when I called the dealership and FCA Customer Care, they claim there is no Warranty. Emailed CARB with no response. Not sure what else to do at this point.
Everybody “wins”.-except us Ram owners. Why the hell do we come out on bottom? We spent $60K+ on these rigs in good faith and now we take it in the shorts with more costs and hassle and probably less performance while EPA and CA get a windfall? That’s BS. I’m all for clean air (and goal of clean air is a good thing), but the implementation here is jacked.
Ram/Cummins could fix this with a software update. The VWs couldn't be fixed because they didn't have DEF that could be turned up - hence the buy back.
I have a 2021 that runs just fine. No upgrades needed and I actually did look up my van to see if there was a recall. Fortunately, for me I have no recall for a defeat device so my engine is running normally. One sentence you said, make sure your vehicle gets up to operating temperature to produce less sit. The next sentence you said don’t let them idle. How can you get it up to operating temperature if it doesn’t idle?
The fastest way to get an engine up to operating temp, especially a diesel, is to drive it. At idle, they do produce heat but not much. Give the engine a few seconds after starting to get the fluids circulating, then start driving. Until it gets to operating temp though, be easy on it. It will get up to temp considerably quicker than sitting at idle with no load.
@@leatherneckprepper4477 you can also plug the block heater in, or get one installed. That will help if you are in a really cold environment. I live in south Texas so I forget about block heaters because we don’t need them down here.
So recall is good for trucks still stock. Many 13-18 trucks would be deleted. I haven't heard anything about that. So just not do the recall for a deleted truck? Just wondering thoughts as I am not finding results. Great channel. Very informative. Appreciate your up knowledge
Yup, cant complete the recall if the vehicle is deleted. A stock vehicle owner could similarly just disregard it as well if they like, though in both scenarios people just have to be mindful if there are emissions testing requirements. Those who are deleted of course should already be aware of how they plan to get past those tests.
@@ALMX5DP What i figured. Just was wondering if there was anything else for information. Being computer related. Just doing my checks. No emission checks where I live so not worried at this point. Dictator government. I am sure they will piss more people off with it. Thank
You’re going to have to put everything back to stock if you really want the recall completed. Idk why you’d want to do that unless you need to get it done for registration purposes.
Not back to stock. I was just curious on the computer thing. I hope its not for registration thing. I hear things on that. Why i was just trying to get ahead of things if the dictators go that way. Thanks @@jeffs2809
The big question is what states are going to require the recall to be done in order to register the truck? California is a given, but I’m wondering how many others will jump on the bandwagon.
Have you or anyone you know ever done a cost analysis of a diesel truck in the same truck with the gas engine? I just don’t think the numbers stack up for the diesel when you’re talking about the fuel systems cost in $10,000 if the pump takes a crapI would just like to see a cost analysis projection of a ram 3500 with a diesel engine and one with a gas engine or even the Ford with the power strokes and the Godzilla engine, grace and peace.
I wish light duty trucks could take a page from heavy’s and put serviceable filters on their trucks instead of screwing everyone with a modern diesel forcing them to replace the whole unit knowing it’s a particulate filter and will need to be replaced.
It'll be interesting to see if the increased EGR and soot buildup will result in Cummins engines ending up with the same issues as the Navistar Maxxforce engines. Cummins "came to Navistar's rescue" back 10-15 years ago because of their issues with the same problems. Too much EGR causing sooting and increased stress on the DPF. Granted, the Navistar engines didn't have the advantage of DEF taking some of the load off the EGR system. Still, I find it ironic that Cummins cheated to win and then helped bail out a competitor who tried honestly to be compliant but simply failed due to an inferior system.
Why would the truck use *both* more EGR and more DEF? More EGR means that the engine temps are cooled, resulting in more soot to the DPF and less NOx. This would result in more frequent regens to keep the DPF clear, but would do functionally nothing to the SCR + DEF that happens downstream of the DPF. More DEF usage means that NOx is running higher, which happens due to less use of the EGR and thus more complete burn of diesel but at the expense of higher NOx, that the SCR + DEF have to deal with post DPF. You think there will be both an increase in EGR usage and DEF usage at the same time?
Wouldn't chunks of this soot breaking free and entering the combustion chamber create hot spots during the ignition cycle? I would think that could lead to piston failure. Any teeth to this?
So does that mean that both my 2022 Ram 2500 and 2023 Ram 3500 will be great candidates for sooting up because the software has been corrected in these years? Just asking for a friend lol Love your Chanel and keep the content coming.
I think it’s something I have a 2017 ram 3500 Laramie dually and it has 15 k on it and it has never went into regeneration it has never came up on my dashboard saying regeneration keep driving and she runs fantastic I’m going to mind business
False. You had plenty of passive and active regens in 15k miles. You’re driving your truck in a fashion that’s letting it finish regen cycles. That’s why you don’t get a warning on your dash. It should be seemless when you have a active regen.
@@GettysGarage I forgot to put it in my comment I’ve also never added def it funny because I had a 2016 ram 1500 eco diesel and I had to add it a few times but my 3500 hasn’t got any and I’ve owned it since brand new
My 2017 automatically goes into regen (according to my edge insight) about every 24 engine hours. Doesn’t matter how I drive or how much I’ve been towing. The only times I’ve had it vary were when I had an issue with a wire on a sensor and when I maxed out an edge juice (it would regen about every 20 minutes then😉😮)
Good video. This is my experience I have a 21 high output Cummins I took it in to get it serviced while it was there the service department told me when I went to pick it up that they performed the recall so my question is does that mean they lied to me or something else going on??
A few years ago I took my truck in for an unrelated issue and they told me they performed the water pump recall. Took the truck in 6 months later and it turns out they didn't actually perform the recall, they just told me they did, even though I hadn't asked for it. Dealerships are strange places.
I notice you're from New Brunswick. Do you know if Canada is going to make the recall mandatory? Ive heard rumors that certain U.S. areas will need to see proof before you can renew your registration.
I'm missing something here, why couldn't someone come up with a soot scrubber for the ERG, something with a filter ? Crazy that we would purposefully send dirty soot back into the engine instead of capturing it !
Always wondered why they chose to pull the exhaust gasses directly off at the manifold instead of post dpf. I’m guessing it’s for packaging & assembly purposes, but I’m no automotive engineer.
@@jeffs2809I believe the mini duramax in the small GM trucks egr’s pull after the scr. It is precisely cause of packaging. Those have the scr attached to the manifolds. Good design.
I don't claim to know all the facts these are simply my opinions based upon readily available sources.
Many of us were left with few options but to delete the whole mess. After multiple failures, inability to get parts and warranty running out on insanely expensive components, it made more sense to just remove it all. Thankfully some of us live in states with no emissions testing, so we can get away with tossing a couple hundred pounds of headache into the bin and letting our trucks breathe.
It’s a shame that you have to tear $15k worth of parts off the new trucks just to get them to run right. Then pay at least another couple grand for the kit and tune. Another reason why newer diesel trucks are so expensive…tens of millions spent on emissions r&d, manufacturing, and lobbying
Thank Obama
Yay.. The EPA has saved us!! How much energy is going to be expended in regen, replacement parts and decreased efficiency. If we got the calculator our, I bet its a net negative...
Exactly my thought, just add up the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of gallons used just to transport DEF by tanker trailer or by pallets of it in plastic jug form, all that wasted fuel and energy just to create, package and transport DEF… then include the energy for SCR, DPF and EGR systems to be created, transported, and that whole circle of a process… I bet if we had none of these emissions systems, the end result would be the same .
@@MXvsATV144Clown.
I can tell ya one truck that isnt gonna get this recall done MINE!!!! 140k on mine with absolutely ZERO problems with the emissions on it it has a tuner and is still running emissions!! i get about 2500 miles out of a full def tank so if it aint broke i am NOT gonna fix it!!!
Mine either 304k all stock!
Yep, my 2022 uses more DEF than my 2018. Mileage is the same, regens, etc no different between the two. More DEF usage means less EGR.
Delete them and they'll use no def.
@@duckwacker8720 Not an option.
@@Mill72 it's a requirement.
@@duckwacker8720 Okay
@@Mill72 it is lol
It seems pretty shady why California is getting so much of that mitigation money
I don't know why, could be because of the research they do. not really sure.
@@GettysGaragefeel like as the whistle blowers that’s their cut of the settlement.
As an auto technician in CA, I can tell you CARB is only concerned with procuring $$ however necessary. Having dealt with getting 'CARB EO exemption certification' for aftermarket parts, it is literally about paying them enough $$ till they say ok certified.
@@elcaminomantjust like every government agency. Permission is only granted to use our rights when we pay the kings ransom. It’s getting real 1776-ey around here….
California and EPA can go to hell!
Cummins got scammed by the EPA. That should be a crime in itself.
How so? Did Ford or GM get scammed as well?
The EPA is a scam in its self. They aren't saving anything but pocketing money.
I mean Cummins did legit have defeat devices in their trucks. as for the failure to disclose for the 2019+ trucks - That's crap.
@ALMX5DP We are all getting scammed by the EPA and government for the push for EV's and these bullshit emissions systems. But hey, they just released the largest cruise liner ever built- make it make sense.
Yes! Any company being forced to put this junk on are being scammed
IDK if it was the way you talked about it or if I maybe misunderstood how you said it but in regards to the ECM, the ECM is fully programed at the Cummins Midrange Engine Plant and the engine is shipped to the Ram assembly plant with the ECM affixed to the side of the engine with the engine side harness attached. This allows Cummins to test run every single engine before shipping to Ram assembly plant.
You are correct. ECM is from Cummins. The RAM/Cummins agreement says that Cummins is not allowed to connect to any RAM trucks and if caught there is huge fines. So Cummins isn’t allowing any of their mechanics the software to hook up. It’s not like Cummins doesn’t know how to connect to their own engines. They just won’t take the chance of getting caught.
There's a Supreme Court case in litigation right now regarding the authority and reach of US government agencies like the EPA. The conservative majority court is expected to overturn existing case law with their decision which will reel in these unelected bureaucrats. We'll see what happens.
The SCOTUS ruled favorably on that case, favorably for We The People! 🇺🇸
Unbelievable. The EPA needs to be audited themselves.
Time to defund the epa and irs.
Defund or delete? 😊
With the after-treatment systems, these trucks were not made to be daily driving vehicles. I tried to make the daily driving work with my 2018 RAM, but the DFP was getting build-up only a matter of time before it failed. As Alex mentioned, you have to get them on the highway and get them hot to avoid some of these after-treatment issues.
Correct. I had my DPF removed and cleaned about 2 months ago. The mechanic told me to go on mini road trip every Sunday, run it in 4th gear to get the rpms up above 2000 When return home, let it idle for about 15 minutes so it can cool down properly
@@timothymoses216 That's exactly what I was told to do by the dealership with my 2018 - drive it on the highway for about 20 mins each week and make sure the DPF cycle finishes. Eventually, I had the exhaust upgraded and that solved the issue.
@brenteason9891
I wish they had an option on our view screen so we will know when we're in regen and when its finished
@@timothymoses216 The in-dash screen would be nice on the 4th gen trucks. I used my EDGE CTS3 monitor to see the regen process. Before that I had the simple OBD2 dongle plugged in my truck with a mobile phone app to see what the truck was doing on the regen (DPF temps go up and fuel mileage goes down).
So the 2023 I bought has a dpf gauge and it'll regen at 25%. I use it only to tow my camper or tractor ajd it never gets to 25% anymore. I bought a beater to DD. I've has the 23 for 6 months and towed 5k miles. You guys are correct, this truck isn't really made to be a bro truck. If it's used for how it was designed, the emissions components aren't problematic. It's all refined and modeled after our class 8 counterparts
More great info from Alex. Thanks for what you do. That truck sure sits up high, side mirror almost over your head. Have a great week.
Haha thank you sir! but I'm only 5'8 so I probably make the truck look tall lol
@@GettysGarage I'm 6'3" . I know I'm tall.
@@avioncamper Clap hands.
Good update! I am considering a 2024 RAM Diesel 3500 purchase. So this has my attention!
Won't be able to delete it. I have a 23 and there's no chance other than buying a 21 ecu with a similar Vin and tuning that.
@@Dasam2012Why not?
I'm glad I still own my 07.5 2500 4x4 that I bought brand new in late 07. The cost of parts for these vehicles are insane, if I had to replace everything it would probably cost $15,000+ if you could find the parts. I really can't understand why one state sets the rules for an entire country on this matter, California is a joke. Can't wait to see all the lithium batteries from their electric vehicles pile up and then see what they do. My stuff got "stolen" and I can't find the other's that "fell off" while driving. Good video and straight foward information.
2019 trucks were already recalled back in 2020 when Ram released the VB6 emissions recall. 67A is 2013-2018 trucks. The recall flash is nothing more than a NOx sensor strategy change. 2020 and newer trucks already have the updated flashes and necessary updates.
My 2018 went in the shop for emissions issues. Then they did the update. And now 14 days later it's back in the shop again.
Why not delete it?
What is it in the shop for now?
@@91CavGT5 warning service DEF System
@@jefflamb2900 I would love to but because I just purchased it in September and had requirements. Had to be under 100k. It also had to have extended warranty. Also able to be serviced by Ram Dealer. After its up I'm free to do what I need.
@@seanfritz1355 So why put the requirements on yourself, overpay for them and then have to wait it out and deal with the issues caused by emisions?
The whole point of SCR/DEF systems was to move NOx reduction OUTSIDE of the combustion chamber to reduce the need for EGR to lower combustion temperatures in the cylinder and to reduce particulate production during the combustion process. So, it would seem to me that the LOGICAL solution to the NOx emission issue would be to enhance the SCR/DEF capabilities of reducing NOx emissions, not regressing to dirtier, lower temperature combustion that increases particulates. In that light, having the software increase DEF usage to potentially reduce NOx outside of the engine's combustion chamber would make sense.
And that's the reason I'm not going to let them update my 2014. I've already had 3 recalls on my def system. 3 dpf filters, 3 scrs, 3 def pumps, 2 water pumps, 1 egr valve, all recalled or warenteed.
I recently put a turbo actuator on it at 189,000 and still running original turbo. I'm at 206,000 miles rt now. I've cleaned the egr valve and tube only but never that filter box above the turbo, I don't want to even get into that nightmare although it's probably getting pretty clogged up by now. I have lost some power and gas mileage.
And 1 large cargo ship equals 50 Million cars. Think we are worried about the wrong-thing here.
nothing burns like bunker oil.
Very good point, often overlooked, most of the ships are carrying a bunch of low quality dollar store crap that we should be manufacturing in North America anyway.
The factories emit too much pollution, so how would we make it here?
@@robmd3851
I’m not going to say I’m the most environmentally conscious person out there & definitely no tree hugger, but what exactly is the US EPA supposed to do about the hundreds or thousands of cargo ships registered in every other country EXCEPT the US? Maybe require ships within the 12 miles or so(?) around US to run on ULSD? or wind power? Maybe battery/solar?
Just off the top of my head. Tax seems to work. That is what is done to us. Maybe make it cost effective to manufacture here in the US. Its all about control and money.
Have a 2018 peterbilt with 527,000 miles. I use pittsburgh power fuel catalyst faithfully. Keeps combustion very clean with limited sensor failure. Cleaned dpf at 350,000, well past recommended time.
Thought diesels were compression not combustion? Maybe I'm wrong
@@benjaminwright1807They are compression.
I have a 2018 ram 2500 with the Cummins. I don’t plan to get this recall done. I haven’t had any issues with this truck. I added a banks intake horn and this helped with power and mpg.
Usually they will refuse to allow you to register your vehicle if its a federally required recall (EPA) until you have the recall taken care of. Thats what happened to me.
@@XRakkgruntX my ram uses def like it’s going out of style. Not planning to get this recall done.
What about China and India’s pollution? What about the multiple hundred’s of nuclear tests the us did back in the day in the ocean and in Nevada? Sure that’s a lot worse for the o-zone than my 6.7 restricted diesel. Crazy how the government always goes after the working man in some way, shape or form. Great video my guy
The cargo ships have no population control. Our government is trying to control and punish the working class
same BS here in europe- even more crazy- they ship the cars that dont pass emmissions (and other so called junk or wrecked but drive) to near east and africa - there they drive foranother 20 years- so this whole pollution thing is a joke
So happy to own a Gen3 Ram 5.9 Cummins... not as much HP and TRQ as the 4th and 5th Gen units...but such deficiencies can be rectified with aftermarket tuners (at least here in Canada). I saw nuttin but trouble from day one with the 6.7 and EGR/DEF systems .. as with anything that starts out simple and gets revised .. there is never a guarantee that the changes make for a better system...a sad state of affairs when 3 government agencies/boards interfere with engine design and spec ..... many Canuks were dropping $2K to have the EGR/DEF sytems removed (clandestinely of course).
I'm out west in B.C. and just received my 67a recall. I plan on doing it as others have stated no performance changes, just slightly more use of DEF fluid.
But why go out of your way to have something done to your truck with no benefit to you?
@@wtbmanespecially now that a jug of Liberal tears is at almost $30
As a diesel fitter myself i have noticed the smell of engins burning oil due to abrasive soot caused by EGR returning to the cylinder
You touched up on the things I was gonna mention which is long idle times and not allowing your truck and emissions system to get up to temperature….. those there are big issues…. If you have at least 15mins of highway cruising time that’s usually enough time to get up to temp but if your primary commute is under 10 miles per trip consider once per week taking your truck for a cruise for about 1-2 hours at highways speeds
And unfortunately best cases are longer distance hauling so the truck has to work more so if you are buying an emissions truck all of them suffer to a degree with these issues so if your wanting a big truck but can’t avoid the trouble driving conditions or take your truck for long drives on regular a basis get a gasser version and you should save a lot of headaches…..
If you have renewable diesel in your area it cuts down on DEF usage a lot. I'm assuming it burns much cleaner as advertised so less def is needed. Seems to keep my 1st gen smoke down too....best of both worlds
Far as I know, railway locomotives are pretty much the most fuel efficient way to move cargo period. It's probably only 27 locomotives because of the cost to perform the retro fit and the length of time the NOx reduction will take place in is probably many years and way more miles than an average Ram 2500/3500 truck driver
I can definitely tell you that I am burning through DEF a ton more than I did before the update.
To avoid idling, a heater, like a Webasto, may be worth the investment, though it may seem costly up front.
or even an oil pan heater would be a great idea for cold climates.
@@GettysGarage I think he's referring to cab heat.
I was referring to a diesel fired engine heater. In the cold, plug it in (Block, pan, and battery) when you can. When out and about, fire up the Espar or Webasto to keep the engine warm and no /or little warm-up time required.
@@rodmcisaac3 Ah ok. When I looked up that name all it brought up was cab heaters lol.
On the bigger ISL in our fire trucks it’s really bad because they do a lot of stop and go and idle on scene for hours at a time so it’s even worse in the commercial truck side.
Emissions on a diesel are almost crippling. I know when I had ALL of my emissions removed on my 2016 Duramax, she breathed so freely, and accelerated so effortlessly, it felt as if I was driving with my brakes on the whole time before that.
Cool, looks like my 2019 3500 Cummins truck was built on 10/30/19 which means I'm past their cutoff date. Hope it stays that way.
Thanks clarifying this Alex. You continue to put out great information. As always people tend to jump to conclusions. 👍
Wow! A great take on Cummins. I sure hope you are right about the recall
I have 10x 6.7 ISB's. If I do a service I run a regen and observe the live data for issues. This should be done anytime the vehicle is inspected. I have not had one stopped up EGR cooler yet. The pedestal gets clogged regularly, but the symptoms are easy on that. I have had 2 EGR coolers leak and need to be replaced. If temp one is over 750 degrees it needs a cooler, less than 400 won't regen needs a new cooler(leaky). Temp 3 higher than temp 2 the DOC is clogged. PPM level 2 over ~70(end of regen) then there is a hole in the DPF. Always inspect the doser. If PPM 2 levels are really low and it smells like a wet mop you got a leaky doser, check the tailpipe to see if it has been hanging out with scarface.
Best solution to this problem is simply don't take your truck in for the recall software.
Is there any way to tell if my 2015 has the 2 sensor SCR short of just presenting my VIN?
And I am SOOO glad that the EPA now has $1.7 billion to buy us some clean air. That's what they do with the money, right?
Yup, they imported one container of sailboat fuel directly from China where everyone knows the clean air is .
I just got a notice in the mail yesterday for my 2023 3500
Emissions or Taillight?
Emissions, but it was for my old 2018. Nothing for the 2023.@@idaho_7407
I bought a 2023 ram Laramie Cummins a year ago, tranny went out completely at 7k miles. Dealership fixed it no cost. It went out again at 12k miles it stayed in the shop for 60 days after that. Got it back and no problems tell last month. This time it was puking transmission fluid out of the dip stick tube. I'm really thinking about parking it in my uncle's 200 acre farm. Buy 1000 pounds of tanerite and blowing the truck up and go buy a old Chevy truck
Nothing beats the old and extremely reliable 12 valve. No def BS
Man... I have been watching this closely. I appreciate your information. I literally just bought a brand new 2023 RAM 2500 Tradesman w/the Cummins 6.7L I6 on December 22nd 2023 and then I start hearing about this!!! I'm a new truck and 1st time diesel owner, bought this to haul a toy hauler eventually. Hey BTW those wheels you have on your 3500 could I get a set of those for my 2500 I eventually want to replace my steel wheels with the covers BUT want to keep the stock wheel and tire dimensions?
It’s not about emissions. It’s about them trying to find a way to self-fund their agency. They have been u see threats from congress to cut their funding before. Just like police departments self-funding using fines from unmanned speed cameras.
Wtf
The next agency that will do this is the IRS. They are under the same threat.
Just a thought. Egr valves don't make the engine produce any more particulate they just make the engine eat it again so there shouldn't be any more particulate going through the dpf and creating the need for more regens
My work truck is a 2017 Ram 4500 and I took it to the dealership to see if it had the recall. They looked it up and it doesn’t have the recall. I wanted to see if I could see or notice a change in power, fuel/DEF consumption, not my truck so it would’ve been a good test for me.
EPA needs to be dismantled
I have a 2006 Laramie 4x4 quad cab Cummins with 63k miles and in practically mint condition Thankfully none of this applies to me. With all this going on, my truck is likely worth more now than what I paid for it in ‘06.
Awesome info! Thanks for putting this together
Thank you sir.
no thats it right there different rules for different people the age old problem that society always struggles with
Shut up!
Word to the wise. If you are not a tech. Never listen to a man wearing Matco swag.
Lets see what a ruling on Chevron does to the EPA.
Just hike the price of fuel $1 and keep on trucking is what Chevron would do
Yeah! Who needs regulations! Companies always do the right thing. 🙄
Along with the fishermen case
Well its interesting that CA has a massive budget debt issue. It sure seems fishy to me and they are not declaring how much of that nearly 2 billion CA will get. I have a 2500 2018 RAM and I am holding the recall notice in my hand unfortunately.
Idk the dpf fell of mine so i doubt they'll fix it under the recall
The EPA wouldn’t enforce these systems, if they we’re responsible for cleaning them.
I’m glad I keep my 5.9 mega cab going non of that bs emission garbage
I’m still kicking myself for selling our 2007 3500 megacab 5.9!!! We just couldn’t afford to fix it.
Great content! Agree! What about all the locomotives, 630k truck to have equivalent soot and EPA does not says anything?
Yeah GET POLITICAL
We all need to
My new 2023 Cummins had DEF issues... Was leaking on exhaust and was DEF injector... Mechanic said it might be worse... No loaner or even shuttle service home. Went and traded that day. Never again...
With the increase in egr the possibility of carbon packing in cylinders becomes a very real possibility as well. Remember the carbon packing in the ISXs ? This could become a real problem for Cummins AND owners.
My 14 hasn’t been to the dealership in 5 years. It’s definitely not going back now. My truck has special “tuning” that will get wrecked if they touch it.
That's Cummins quality!! Buy it off the lot& Your on your own then..Even in the Big trucks too..
Love your channel and the info. Thank you
I'll go ahead and keep my defeat device. I feel that going through more DEF would cause more waste in plastic jugs. So I'm saving the environment by not getting the update.
Al Gore needs to put a big catalytic converter on his private jet and see how it goes!
Typical Government: "We'll fix it until it doesn't work worth a crap anymore"... You're Welcome!
I got a low voltage def injector code within 24 hours of the recall. Could that be due to the recall?
Cummins pulled the VW spoof
I agree 💯 about the 2 tier system on all of the courts and government decisions
Great, less reliable diesels. Another win for the EPA, California, and dealerships over the working man.
I complied with 67A, the very next day, my truck set a MIL P1C54. The Consent Decree Appendix B describes a Special Extended Warranty. Yet when I called the dealership and FCA Customer Care, they claim there is no Warranty. Emailed CARB with no response. Not sure what else to do at this point.
Are you performing the recalls or can only RAM dealers perform the recall? Any updates from owners if DEF pumps are failing or FC's due to the recall?
What about compensation to get recall or how about a buy back option?
doesn't not seem like that will be available.
Everybody “wins”.-except us Ram owners. Why the hell do we come out on bottom? We spent $60K+ on these rigs in good faith and now we take it in the shorts with more costs and hassle and probably less performance while EPA and CA get a windfall? That’s BS. I’m all for clean air (and goal of clean air is a good thing), but the implementation here is jacked.
Ram/Cummins could fix this with a software update. The VWs couldn't be fixed because they didn't have DEF that could be turned up - hence the buy back.
I have a 2021 that runs just fine. No upgrades needed and I actually did look up my van to see if there was a recall. Fortunately, for me I have no recall for a defeat device so my engine is running normally. One sentence you said, make sure your vehicle gets up to operating temperature to produce less sit. The next sentence you said don’t let them idle. How can you get it up to operating temperature if it doesn’t idle?
The fastest way to get an engine up to operating temp, especially a diesel, is to drive it. At idle, they do produce heat but not much. Give the engine a few seconds after starting to get the fluids circulating, then start driving. Until it gets to operating temp though, be easy on it. It will get up to temp considerably quicker than sitting at idle with no load.
@@91CavGT5 thanks for the advice
@@leatherneckprepper4477 you can also plug the block heater in, or get one installed. That will help if you are in a really cold environment. I live in south Texas so I forget about block heaters because we don’t need them down here.
So recall is good for trucks still stock. Many 13-18 trucks would be deleted. I haven't heard anything about that. So just not do the recall for a deleted truck? Just wondering thoughts as I am not finding results. Great channel. Very informative. Appreciate your up knowledge
Yup, cant complete the recall if the vehicle is deleted. A stock vehicle owner could similarly just disregard it as well if they like, though in both scenarios people just have to be mindful if there are emissions testing requirements. Those who are deleted of course should already be aware of how they plan to get past those tests.
@@ALMX5DP What i figured. Just was wondering if there was anything else for information. Being computer related. Just doing my checks.
No emission checks where I live so not worried at this point. Dictator government. I am sure they will piss more people off with it. Thank
You’re going to have to put everything back to stock if you really want the recall completed. Idk why you’d want to do that unless you need to get it done for registration purposes.
Not back to stock. I was just curious on the computer thing. I hope its not for registration thing. I hear things on that. Why i was just trying to get ahead of things if the dictators go that way. Thanks @@jeffs2809
The big question is what states are going to require the recall to be done in order to register the truck? California is a given, but I’m wondering how many others will jump on the bandwagon.
So glad I still have a 3rd gen 😊
Have you or anyone you know ever done a cost analysis of a diesel truck in the same truck with the gas engine? I just don’t think the numbers stack up for the diesel when you’re talking about the fuel systems cost in $10,000 if the pump takes a crapI would just like to see a cost analysis projection of a ram 3500 with a diesel engine and one with a gas engine or even the Ford with the power strokes and the Godzilla engine, grace and peace.
Okay, what do you consider idling to long? Coldstart idling and running cool down length. Nobody ever says.
#DEFUNDTHEEPA
As long as I still pass emissions. Before the recall I can pass it so hopefully after the recall it will pass
I wish light duty trucks could take a page from heavy’s and put serviceable filters on their trucks instead of screwing everyone with a modern diesel forcing them to replace the whole unit knowing it’s a particulate filter and will need to be replaced.
As I said before Cummins should have put up more of a fight to this lawsuit. After this I would not buy one of their engines.
It'll be interesting to see if the increased EGR and soot buildup will result in Cummins engines ending up with the same issues as the Navistar Maxxforce engines. Cummins "came to Navistar's rescue" back 10-15 years ago because of their issues with the same problems. Too much EGR causing sooting and increased stress on the DPF. Granted, the Navistar engines didn't have the advantage of DEF taking some of the load off the EGR system. Still, I find it ironic that Cummins cheated to win and then helped bail out a competitor who tried honestly to be compliant but simply failed due to an inferior system.
Protect your truck: don’t get the recall done
This would make 13-18 pre recall trucks more desirable then.
What if you want with the Bank monster?
Why would the truck use *both* more EGR and more DEF? More EGR means that the engine temps are cooled, resulting in more soot to the DPF and less NOx. This would result in more frequent regens to keep the DPF clear, but would do functionally nothing to the SCR + DEF that happens downstream of the DPF.
More DEF usage means that NOx is running higher, which happens due to less use of the EGR and thus more complete burn of diesel but at the expense of higher NOx, that the SCR + DEF have to deal with post DPF.
You think there will be both an increase in EGR usage and DEF usage at the same time?
Wouldn't chunks of this soot breaking free and entering the combustion chamber create hot spots during the ignition cycle? I would think that could lead to piston failure. Any teeth to this?
What about the Y43 recall? I have a 2022 and its missing a senser.
"Ram" should have owned this market ever since they put the Cummins in.
My 2022 2500 Cummins got a Y43 emissions recall.
More reason to keep my kind of rare 98 12V.
So does that mean that both my 2022 Ram 2500 and 2023 Ram 3500 will be great candidates for sooting up because the software has been corrected in these years? Just asking for a friend lol Love your Chanel and keep the content coming.
I would not rule it out.
Still love my Rams regardless. Even my 17 2500 bighorn. I service them regularly and far sooner than the factory requirements.
I think it’s something I have a 2017 ram 3500 Laramie dually and it has 15 k on it and it has never went into regeneration it has never came up on my dashboard saying regeneration keep driving and she runs fantastic I’m going to mind business
Must be driving her well then. do you drive longer distances? these engines will perform passive regens while driving if they are hot enough.
False. You had plenty of passive and active regens in 15k miles. You’re driving your truck in a fashion that’s letting it finish regen cycles. That’s why you don’t get a warning on your dash. It should be seemless when you have a active regen.
@@GettysGarage I forgot to put it in my comment I’ve also never added def it funny because I had a 2016 ram 1500 eco diesel and I had to add it a few times but my 3500 hasn’t got any and I’ve owned it since brand new
My 2017 automatically goes into regen (according to my edge insight) about every 24 engine hours. Doesn’t matter how I drive or how much I’ve been towing. The only times I’ve had it vary were when I had an issue with a wire on a sensor and when I maxed out an edge juice (it would regen about every 20 minutes then😉😮)
What would be hot enough? Over 700 degrees?@@GettysGarage
Good video. This is my experience I have a 21 high output Cummins I took it in to get it serviced while it was there the service department told me when I went to pick it up that they performed the recall so my question is does that mean they lied to me or something else going on??
A few years ago I took my truck in for an unrelated issue and they told me they performed the water pump recall. Took the truck in 6 months later and it turns out they didn't actually perform the recall, they just told me they did, even though I hadn't asked for it. Dealerships are strange places.
Very nice video explanation. I’d still like to delete mine
I notice you're from New Brunswick. Do you know if Canada is going to make the recall mandatory? Ive heard rumors that certain U.S. areas will need to see proof before you can renew your registration.
Probably affect most of the east. Alberta and Sask don’t care. We’re all deleted out here and don’t have these bullshit issues
will that engine hoist in the back of the shop pick up a cummins isx 15 litre?
I have a 2022 RAM 2500 … I got a recall notice already.
I'm missing something here, why couldn't someone come up with a soot scrubber for the ERG, something with a filter ? Crazy that we would purposefully send dirty soot back into the engine instead of capturing it !
Always wondered why they chose to pull the exhaust gasses directly off at the manifold instead of post dpf. I’m guessing it’s for packaging & assembly purposes, but I’m no automotive engineer.
Plain and simple. They want to do away with fossil fuel vehicles. Why do you need egr if you have def. It's all about money.
@@jeffs2809I believe the mini duramax in the small GM trucks egr’s pull after the scr. It is precisely cause of packaging. Those have the scr attached to the manifolds. Good design.
@jffs2809 Cat had a CGI system before they got out of the truck market and it was not very good
Check out FASS EGR Solutions . Less soot into engine with their product that they came out with.....
I have a 2018 2500 with the Cummins. I have NEVER had to do a regen. Not that I want to but wonder why. I have 194000+ miles and have never done one.
I want to know what fines go towards besides attorneys. Seems more like a Gestapo or mafia fee.