@@rqbxrtt Yup. and we just hit Diamond with Josh Jackson. Right now we've got the highest chances for Cade Cunningham too, who would make our roster complete. 2020s; pistons come back decade
That, but more importantly they put little care to their assets and makes bad decisions. It's one thing to get assets of equal value on trades but they just giving up theirs for nothing
@@yunan9610 Well that's invalid now as we're seeing with our rookies + grant. Also having a GM who sees veterans as what they are, mentor assets not player liabilities (save for griffin who I think needs to go)
I'd say the moral of the story is: 1) Draft much better, 2) Play the rookies; so they have value 3) For Christ sake, get a top 3 pick, for more than 1 season. Clearly the Pistons aren't getting impact players at 7-10.
@@toonballoon6244 bro I’m sorry but Detroit is the most directionless team in the nba. I honestly won’t be even a little surprised if they are still down in the lottery 10 years from now
@@bradyjohnson8302 at least the kings got a few good young players. Detroit hasn’t had someone in their prime on their team since I don’t even know who
But if you look back, both of them were going off of injuries in collage. Neither were ready to play right away their rookie year. When they got to play, you could tell they were rusty. Dinwiddie was awful in his first 2 seasons. Base on how bad he played, and his lack of athleticism, I can't blame the GM for waiving him. He only improved after spending time in the G-League before Brooklyn took a flyer on him. Middleton did very little as a rookie too, but the Pistons wanted to keep him. The reason they traded him was because Milwaukee wouldn't do the Knight for Jenning deal, unless Middleton was included too. Pistons wanted to be a playoff team, and they felt Jennings at the time was better than Knight. Obviously looking in hindsight it's cane back to bite Detroit. But at the time, they seemed like decent decisions. I remember when that trade happened. I was hype to get Jennings, and I felt giving up Knight and a unproven Middleton was nothing. I mean, it is what it is I guess.
The Pistons needed a shooter, and Kennard was considered the best shooter in the draft. Mitchell had a great workout, but he was more of a raw high upside prospect. SVG at the time, wanted a shooter and a safe pick. I mean Utah took Mitchell as best available player. It's not like any of these teams knew he'd be as good as he is now. That's why the lottery is the lottery, you just have to hope you get lucky with your pick.
@@paulwarren6062 stop defending this franchise actions of the past decade. It’s only now in the past year with Troy weaver do they seem like they’re starting to get a clue
@@Loganbub I'll feel the way I want, and have the opinions I want. What's the big deal? I see all the flaws and mistakes that have happened in hindsight. But I can also see where the front office was coming from when they made those picks, and try to justify it a bit. I'm not saying that makes things any better. But just being pissed and whiney like a lot of Piston fans are doesn't help either. The reasons and explanations that went into picks like Luke Kennard and Stanley Johnson were justifiable. Nobody could have imagined guys like Devin Booker or Donavan Mitchell would turn out as good as they are now. Neither of them were high picks so clearly other teams passed on them too. So while the previous Piston regimes do get a balk of the blame. I can't see it's entirely on them, when other franchise made mistakes too. Look, we got the #1 pick now and a smart GM. That's all the matters. I'm not here trying to argue about old news when this is a positive moment for the Pistons.
@@paulwarren6062 that’s where the scouting Dept -Team comes in. A big part of their job is to determine who will succeed and who will be an all star. Our scouting Dept sucks !
@@princeali1786 You are right about the scouting department. But that was the Joe Dumars and Van Gundy regimes. They sucked. The current Troy Weaver regime does not. Pistons now have the same guy that helped draft Durant, Harden, Westbrook, Ibaka. So we know he has a better eye for talent. Last years draft is another good example finding Bey and Stewart later in the draft. So any fear Piston fans have from past mistakes, should no longer apply.
@@mmonkeyman1403 Finally someone who's read up on Pistons basketball, not these ignorant meme comments about us last decade with a entirely different GM and Coach.
@@tnikoli40 Wrong, Spurs believed they could’ve gotten a Bruce Bowen 2.0 with more athleticism in Kawhi Leonard. Bucks drafted Giannis during a time they believed Jabari Parker would be their franchise player.
I mean Hayes was starting to get the feel of the game, josh Jackson is amazing, Isaiah Stewart is just the embodiment of Detroit, and seddiq bey has 25-11 odds of winning rookie of the year.
Yeah, Middleton had a injury and fell to 38 I believe in the second round. Could be wrong about the draft position. You could tell Middleton had a really nice jumper with the limited minutes he got later that year after he returned from the injury. We have a history of not developing our players so that was a really nice change that we actually gave our draft picks this year real playing time for development purposes and it looks to be paying off.
Well hope you're feeling healthy, because we've gone into deep tank mode for a higher draft pick. Once we get one of the top 5 prospects, our roster is good to go for developing and competing again (Blake will also be gone)
@@toonballoon6244 how long have Pistons fans been saying that for? Most likely the pistons draft another bust and Hayes in his limited time on the NBA hasn't looked that good either
That's because at the time, the Bucks GM was the previous assistant GM to the Pistons. Hammonds and Dumars were close, so they were doing deals with either other. Just turns out Dumars had lost his magic by then and couldn't make a good decision.
So sad man. Seeing an underdog like Detroit win in 2004 was special. It gets old seeing the same teams/players in contention every year. Detroit sports all around is terrible right now. All 4 major sports teams are in rebuilds. The city could really use a winner man. Hope they can get their shit together.
Joe D made some decent picks in that time. The fact that he never saw it through and kept firing coaches never allowed them to develope in Detroit. He though he was a bad drafter and masterful trader because he got lucky in the 00’s. But he followed it up with a decade of good drafting but terrible trades and coaches
ITS crazy how consistently good the pistons were always being a borderline playoff team and multiple years being title contenders yet when 2010s hit they cant even get a 9th seat
Had to remind me, being a Pistons fan how inept we’ve been since the early 00s. It’s been a shit show, starting off when Joe D had to break the team up trading Chauncey away. We’ve been downhill ever since.
Well, we've finally entered tank mode for a higher draft pick. Once we score Cade or any top 5 prospect, our rookie roster will be compete with also trading/waiving blake
The worst part about that trade is that Joe D had to. Once Karen Davidson pulled all the money from the team, they couldn't pay him. Billups just signed a huge deal and we could no longer afford him. That was the beginning of the end.
With all the bad decisions from the pistons front office over the years, I'm glad to be able to say I witnessed them win 3 championships in two different era's.
Was looking for this comment all of over !!!thank you for making me feel like I wasn’t crazy can’t believe dude said that. He definitely is gonna reach that all star level !
I'd guess he'll make a few but idk it's hard to predict the future. The west is stacked with guards and even some young ones who rn are better then him.
Getting #7-#10 picks year after year is an absolute hit or miss. Most teams that linger in this area barely ever break through. Can’t harp on teams that miss with these picks year & year. Teams like the Kings, that blow multiple top 5 picks- are WAY worse.
Good video. Thank god we've seen the back of this era and a new direction under Troy Weaver. I'd argue we were amongst the biggest winners in the 2020 draft - Bey and Stewart look like absolute steals, and Killian just needs time I think but will come good. Hopefully we can land a top four pick this year and then could really be a team to watch in a couple of years time.
They never had a good scouting team until now. Joe Dumars wasn't good at drafting, and neither was Van Gundy. But the new guy Troy Weaver is doing a helluva job. Pistons on the right track.
@@cadenk5688 yeah there are so many clowns that expect him to be a star immediately, and now that he’s struggling/now injured they’re calling him a bust already
That's just life dealing with casual Piston fans. To them Hayes is a bust, and so is Sekou. These kids are 19-20 years old, still raw as fuck and learning the game. But na, Pistons fans need their young players to ball out from day 1. They both are improving with each game.
@@paulwarren6062 Previous Pistons front offices didn't realize that having raw players that take a few seasons to develop was a good thing because it allows you to keep stacking potential talent up every year from the draft. It seems to me like the Pistons are in that mode now.
The Pistons franchise died on March 13, 2009 when Hall of Fame owner William Davidson passed away, since then the team has a 363-538 record (.403%) and an 0-12 playoff record and only 1 winning season.
Btw, nobody mention Killian Hayes , the player they drafted with 7th overall a month ago, broke his hip (possibly career ending, same injury to Issah Thomas)after putting up horrific numbers (30% 2pt, 20%3pt)
Great and true video. Only missed one thing, as I see it. The Pistons got screwed in the lottery every single time. If there was a coin flip, they lost it. Meanwhile, Cleveland got set up with two #1s after LeBron left.
Ay man stay chill and enjoy the tanking. What we're doing now is developing who we have now, working to trade blake, and get a higher draft pick (top 5 prospect would complete our roster)
@@toonballoon6244 I think the pistons need a lot more than a top 5 pick to complete their roster😂 I would say they need another 3-4 years of tanking in order to even fully start rebuilding. Right now the pistons are below the stages of rebuilding. They are just in the middle of nowhere. I hope they turn it around though
key thing is “made the right sense” they selected based on needs, and it’s extremely hard to pick the most talented players in drafts. with notable exceptions but overall you can’t fault them
The pistons were not tanking in any of these examples he used. So how would telling them not to tank have stopped them from giving up on their young talent too soon?
@@ThePrufessa We're tanking now, but it's a really good thing. We've havent gotten blown out yet, and if you take a look at our schedule; it's pretty brutal.
A VERY good video. One thing you left out, which contributed to a lot of the bad decisions early in the video, was the death of former owner Bill Davidson in 2008. After starting the season 3-0, he died shortly after that. His wife Karen, pulled the money from the team, which prompted Joe Dumars to trade Chauncey Billups. That was the beginning of the end for everything and the start of this whole video. Dumars was literally working on a shoestring budget with whatever he could. No, it doesn't excuse bad decisions but having no money to work with will do that to you. Once Tom Gores bought the team, he made the mistake of letting Stan Van Gundy be coach and GM, to which, he made some of the WORST decisions. Let's see what happens with Troy Weaver.
Two ways to look at the play. 1) he got dunked on 2) your PG had enough balls to try and block DJ. He should be applauding for trying and doing the centers job.
@@Jeremy-wm3zd He did get murdered, but at least he tried to make a play on the ball. That's the important thing. But people only wanna look at the dunk. My point is, he's a PG that tried to block a dunk from a big. I always appreciated the effort.
Nah. This is our most fun season yet. inb4 "lawl a rebuild season is fun for you?", yes because I personally love observing growth in players. Watching Isaiah Stewart learn basketball IQ, or Killian Hayes figure out his playmaking and shot, has been extremely enjoyable.
It seems to me that the Pistons’ problems have more to do with development of players and managing resources rather than drafting. Some of the players they traded or let walk away turned out pretty well elsewhere. Compare this to the last decade of the Raptors where so-so prospects became major contributors and/or trade pieces.
This is my favorite style of video by you. You should go back to the 80s cavs maybe and talk about how they wasted most of the early to mid 80s picks in a few trades trade.
To sum up: they didn't even pick bad players per se, they just got rid of them all by either trading them for nothing in return or allowing them to walk into free agency
Dear lord, seeing the names Gordon Heyward and Paul George right after Greg Monroe in 2010 and then seeing Klay Thompson and Kawhi Leonard after Brandon Knight in 2011 is very painful. Add to it that the best pick the Pistons made in the decade, Khris Middleton, was tossed in a trade to get rid of one of their picks, Brandon Knight, and the pain becomes worse. Then it continues like that for the rest of the decade.
Way too early to say that, don't forget about the injure that set Hayes back. Hayes is younger and more of a raw prospect, Haliburton is almost 2 years older with college experience. Haliburton is further again in development. But once Hayes matures and he's he's gonna be good too. On top of that, Haliburton's agent didn't want him in Detroit.
This would’ve been a pretty good team: PG: Kemba Walker SG: Kris Middleton SF: Gordon Hayward PF: TJ Warren C: Andre Drummond 6th Man: Spencer Didwiddie
As a pistons fan I can admit I was in support of some of those picks: Stanley Johnson Luke Kennard Drummond those were either my 1st or 2nd choice for their drafts. Detroit's last great lottery pick was Grant Hill, that should tell you something the scouts we've employed
I don’t get why the Pistons let Christian wood walk. He was literally the one bright spot that team had and as we all know has the potential to be an all-star
Ayo low, been a fan for almost a year now and i love ur vids, including this one that was great, i just didnt like the background music as much as the one u usually use, i think it got too dramatic lmaoooo, but the vid was still great tho. Huge fan and ur a big influence to me!
how did we (pistons) not figure out how to tank and get a higher draft pick that is more likely to be a star rather than missing on basically 8 consecutive number 8 picks?
The real sin seems to be not bad drafting but bad asset management, not signing players to that second contract when they are at least nba starter level players is the sign of a bad front office, knicks have a similar track record although most of the time their lottery picks are more like nba washouts.
Detroit let KCP walk cause they already worked out a trade involving Marcus Morris and getting Avery Bradley, who by that time is a 1st team all-defense member and considered as the best 3-and-D guard in the league, from Boston.
Let us not forget the 76's draft blunders. They drafted Even Turner as their number 2 pick in 2010 instead of Cousins, Paul George or Hayward.They traded away their drafted player Vucevic in 2012. Traded away their drafted player Jrue Holiday for Nerlens Noel in 2013 and also in 2013 drafted Michael Carter Williams at number 11 instead of Giannis or Steven Adams. In 2014, drafted Elfrid Payton instead of Nurkic or Zach Lavine. Drafted Jahlil Okafor at number 3 in 2015 instead of KP, Myles Turner, or Devin Booker. In 2016, traded away their drafted player Jeremy Grant for Ersan Ilyasova. In 2017 probably their biggest blunder but they traded up to take Fultz and lost a first round pick and Jayson Tatum. Lastly in 2018 they traded away Mikal Bridges for Zhaire Smith so we will see if that one will stand the test of time. Overall, they are lucky to have got Embiid and Simmons out of that mess but they could have been so much better without their blunders over the years.
Alternate title: The reason why Pistons tickets are so cheap
Alternate title: Reminding Krispy of his pain
@@pounce7053 poor krispy 😂
I believe it was 2 years after LeBron left the Cavaliers were selling nose bleed tickets for $2
@@evanrichards1576 😭😭😭
5$ pizzas
Pistons got Blake Griffin and Derek Rose... 7 years ago that would be a super team..
7 years ago they would've traded them for 2 second rounders
@@AggravatedMan365 preach my good sir
you mean a duo. not a super team. there’s a big difference.
@@krissimmers818 It can be both like the Kobe-Shaq Lakers team
@@loganbailey7092 no it can’t wtf
Detroit alternates in successful decades. They should be good this time around
yea you right 60s w DeBusschere and Bing 80s w the bad boys and 00s w the boys
@@rqbxrtt Yup. and we just hit Diamond with Josh Jackson.
Right now we've got the highest chances for Cade Cunningham too, who would make our roster complete.
2020s; pistons come back decade
Lol never thought of it that way 😂
@@toonballoon6244 yessir josh jackson a diamond in the rough when errybody gave up on him we didnt
I hope so but I dought it if they are gonna continue doing crap like the Christian wood thing
Moral of the story: Pistons give up on their players way too soon.
That, but more importantly they put little care to their assets and makes bad decisions. It's one thing to get assets of equal value on trades but they just giving up theirs for nothing
@@yunan9610 Well that's invalid now as we're seeing with our rookies + grant. Also having a GM who sees veterans as what they are, mentor assets not player liabilities (save for griffin who I think needs to go)
U right cause kcp, spencer dwiddie and christian woods are really good
Now we know who are bad teams beside the Knicks
I'd say the moral of the story is: 1) Draft much better, 2) Play the rookies; so they have value 3) For Christ sake, get a top 3 pick, for more than 1 season. Clearly the Pistons aren't getting impact players at 7-10.
It was bout time the Pistons joined this series, they've literally made zero progress in the past decade 😂
Well we've made 2 playoff attempts but got sweeped in the first round. All in all, we're coming back so watcj
@@toonballoon6244 until you trade your young core again
@@toonballoon6244 bro I’m sorry but Detroit is the most directionless team in the nba. I honestly won’t be even a little surprised if they are still down in the lottery 10 years from now
@@TransparentEclipse not the most directionless the kings ain’t done anything in years
@@bradyjohnson8302 at least the kings got a few good young players. Detroit hasn’t had someone in their prime on their team since I don’t even know who
KrispyFlakes somewhere crying right now. 😂
You look like you go to church on Monday’s
@@offbrand4648 what's wrong with that?
@@AROD-oh5ez I go on Saturday so i don’t have to waste my time on Sunday’s
@@offbrand4648 that doesn't make sense lmao why not just go sunday instead
@@offbrand4648 i'm taking that as a compliment 😂
Losing Middleton and dinwidde after not giving them a chance hurts the most
A handful of teams passed on dinwiddie. Bulls did too
But if you look back, both of them were going off of injuries in collage. Neither were ready to play right away their rookie year. When they got to play, you could tell they were rusty. Dinwiddie was awful in his first 2 seasons. Base on how bad he played, and his lack of athleticism, I can't blame the GM for waiving him. He only improved after spending time in the G-League before Brooklyn took a flyer on him. Middleton did very little as a rookie too, but the Pistons wanted to keep him. The reason they traded him was because Milwaukee wouldn't do the Knight for Jenning deal, unless Middleton was included too. Pistons wanted to be a playoff team, and they felt Jennings at the time was better than Knight. Obviously looking in hindsight it's cane back to bite Detroit. But at the time, they seemed like decent decisions. I remember when that trade happened. I was hype to get Jennings, and I felt giving up Knight and a unproven Middleton was nothing. I mean, it is what it is I guess.
The " Draft Gods" will never forgive the Pistons for drafting Darko...
Amen
@Fries I like Rasheed but I can never forgive him for leaving Horry open, that sh!t cost us. back to back championships..
Bey, Cade, and Ivey in back-to-back years. Draft Gods just needed to give another GM another chance.
@@sosmooth13 We had to suck three year's straight to get those players, oh and I think you left off Killian...
fun fact: donovan mitchell didnt miss a sinlge shot when he worked out with the pistons and they still didnt draft him
The Pistons needed a shooter, and Kennard was considered the best shooter in the draft. Mitchell had a great workout, but he was more of a raw high upside prospect. SVG at the time, wanted a shooter and a safe pick. I mean Utah took Mitchell as best available player. It's not like any of these teams knew he'd be as good as he is now. That's why the lottery is the lottery, you just have to hope you get lucky with your pick.
@@paulwarren6062 stop defending this franchise actions of the past decade. It’s only now in the past year with Troy weaver do they seem like they’re starting to get a clue
@@Loganbub I'll feel the way I want, and have the opinions I want. What's the big deal? I see all the flaws and mistakes that have happened in hindsight. But I can also see where the front office was coming from when they made those picks, and try to justify it a bit. I'm not saying that makes things any better. But just being pissed and whiney like a lot of Piston fans are doesn't help either. The reasons and explanations that went into picks like Luke Kennard and Stanley Johnson were justifiable. Nobody could have imagined guys like Devin Booker or Donavan Mitchell would turn out as good as they are now. Neither of them were high picks so clearly other teams passed on them too. So while the previous Piston regimes do get a balk of the blame. I can't see it's entirely on them, when other franchise made mistakes too. Look, we got the #1 pick now and a smart GM. That's all the matters. I'm not here trying to argue about old news when this is a positive moment for the Pistons.
@@paulwarren6062 that’s where the scouting Dept -Team comes in. A big part of their job is to determine who will succeed and who will be an all star. Our scouting Dept sucks !
@@princeali1786 You are right about the scouting department. But that was the Joe Dumars and Van Gundy regimes. They sucked. The current Troy Weaver regime does not. Pistons now have the same guy that helped draft Durant, Harden, Westbrook, Ibaka. So we know he has a better eye for talent. Last years draft is another good example finding Bey and Stewart later in the draft. So any fear Piston fans have from past mistakes, should no longer apply.
And now they got Cade Cunningham... a potential future superstar with an incredibly high ceiling
As a Pistons fan, I’m glad you did this. At this point we need an entire front office change like Memphis
☝🏾 this should have more likes
Nah fr
are you actually a pistons fan? as of the 20/21 season they have an all new front office.
@@mmonkeyman1403 Finally someone who's read up on Pistons basketball, not these ignorant meme comments about us last decade with a entirely different GM and Coach.
@@mmonkeyman1403 yeah I am. They started overhauling the FO in like September of last year if I remember correctly.
Saying SGA more than likely won't be an all star is an extremely bad take
fr bro acts like he 30
I thought he should have been one last year over cp3
isn't he 21 or 22 years old?? dudes a kid still
Its hard to say 'they should have drafted ____ instead" bc you can't always see how that players gonna turn out
Exactly, who they hell would of thought that players like Kawhi and Giannis would pan out to what they’re today.
pistons fans are upset💀
The problem is they let these guys go after 1-2 years giving them no time to develop
@@Jonas-PD obviously spurs and bucks did
@@tnikoli40 Wrong, Spurs believed they could’ve gotten a Bruce Bowen 2.0 with more athleticism in Kawhi Leonard. Bucks drafted Giannis during a time they believed Jabari Parker would be their franchise player.
It’s tough being a Detroit fan.
Ye ur name tells us lol
I mean Hayes was starting to get the feel of the game, josh Jackson is amazing, Isaiah Stewart is just the embodiment of Detroit, and seddiq bey has 25-11 odds of winning rookie of the year.
You ain't lying. 😢 😭
Detroit vs. Everybody
dude it’s fucking painful
Never knew the pistons drafted Kris Middleton 🤦🏾♂️
Yeah, Middleton had a injury and fell to 38 I believe in the second round. Could be wrong about the draft position. You could tell Middleton had a really nice jumper with the limited minutes he got later that year after he returned from the injury. We have a history of not developing our players so that was a really nice change that we actually gave our draft picks this year real playing time for development purposes and it looks to be paying off.
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Krispyflakes gonna cry watching this😂
Facts 😂😂😂
You hit a game winner against them to
@@yungmagik_139 yep
You like you’ll lose to Mimi
@@offbrand4648 miami* still lost the finals so it doesn't matter lmao
I'm still mad at the Pistons for passing on Wade, Melo, and Bosh.
Dang the biggest mistake ever
EVER!!!
Don’t remind me🤦🏾♂️ the one of the times Joe Dumars blew it
Facts .
You didn’t like Darco?
As a Detroit native, makes me sick, how far they’ve fallen.
Well hope you're feeling healthy, because we've gone into deep tank mode for a higher draft pick.
Once we get one of the top 5 prospects, our roster is good to go for developing and competing again (Blake will also be gone)
yeah I know same here, but we got Killian Hayes and them young boys from this year since we can’t seem to get a pick higher than 7
We traded Billups, and that was the end of the last "good times"
@@toonballoon6244 how long have Pistons fans been saying that for? Most likely the pistons draft another bust and Hayes in his limited time on the NBA hasn't looked that good either
@@chelmg9537 not with the 1st overall pick the tank finally worked
"Can't have Sh*t in Detroit!"
Oh no, have all the shut you want
@@sofakingonmynuts1438 what?
@@maniac9554 There is lots of shut in detroit
We need Krispy Flakes to react to this lol
Is it just me or were the early 2010's Pistons drafts just a feeder to the Bucks
Khris Fucking Middleton. Lmfao
That's because at the time, the Bucks GM was the previous assistant GM to the Pistons. Hammonds and Dumars were close, so they were doing deals with either other. Just turns out Dumars had lost his magic by then and couldn't make a good decision.
So sad man. Seeing an underdog like Detroit win in 2004 was special. It gets old seeing the same teams/players in contention every year. Detroit sports all around is terrible right now. All 4 major sports teams are in rebuilds. The city could really use a winner man. Hope they can get their shit together.
Patiently waiting for krispy’s reaction
Joe D made some decent picks in that time. The fact that he never saw it through and kept firing coaches never allowed them to develope in Detroit. He though he was a bad drafter and masterful trader because he got lucky in the 00’s. But he followed it up with a decade of good drafting but terrible trades and coaches
As a Piston's fan still love Joe D...but Damn Joe!
Who did Joe dumars draft? That was half way decent?
That was great. I’m a Knicks fan so I completely understand
ITS crazy how consistently good the pistons were always being a borderline playoff team and multiple years being title contenders yet when 2010s hit they cant even get a 9th seat
nobody gonna talk bout how they literally jus let christian wood walk??
gotta save cap space
He aint shit 😂
@@macncheese2415 my brain hurts reading that
He didn’t want to resign. They couldn’t have bought him back.
Jesus loves you all❤️, allow him into your hearts
Krispy's reaction to this gonna be great. Great vid as always low
Had to remind me, being a Pistons fan how inept we’ve been since the early 00s. It’s been a shit show, starting off when Joe D had to break the team up trading Chauncey away. We’ve been downhill ever since.
Well, we've finally entered tank mode for a higher draft pick. Once we score Cade or any top 5 prospect, our rookie roster will be compete with also trading/waiving blake
The worst part about that trade is that Joe D had to. Once Karen Davidson pulled all the money from the team, they couldn't pay him. Billups just signed a huge deal and we could no longer afford him. That was the beginning of the end.
And him not drafting Carmelo or Wade
Joe D's rise peaked at Darko pic, after that is been a series of bad moves
This is so sad but it’s the only recognition DETROIT gets so I had to watch 😭
moral of the story: don’t get rid of players before they turn 26
I've been waiting for another one of these
Alternate title: reasons why the Detroit management skipped highschool
With all the bad decisions from the pistons front office over the years, I'm glad to be able to say I witnessed them win 3 championships in two different era's.
Right! We have 3 championships💯 New York haven't won since 1973 lol
@@alexanderadonyae7937 Right! Lol
He said shai more than likely won’t be an all-star wow 😯 he for sure will be in the future
Was looking for this comment all of over !!!thank you for making me feel like I wasn’t crazy can’t believe dude said that. He definitely is gonna reach that all star level !
I'd guess he'll make a few but idk it's hard to predict the future. The west is stacked with guards and even some young ones who rn are better then him.
I remember their downfall started with drafting Rodney Stuckey. That was the changing of the guard.
Actually it started with drafting DARKO
6:51 that might be the best second round draft output i've ever seen.
Getting #7-#10 picks year after year is an absolute hit or miss.
Most teams that linger in this area barely ever break through. Can’t harp on teams that miss with these picks year & year. Teams like the Kings, that blow multiple top 5 picks- are WAY worse.
Good video. Thank god we've seen the back of this era and a new direction under Troy Weaver. I'd argue we were amongst the biggest winners in the 2020 draft - Bey and Stewart look like absolute steals, and Killian just needs time I think but will come good. Hopefully we can land a top four pick this year and then could really be a team to watch in a couple of years time.
What I’ve learnt is pistons are realy bad at drafting 1st round picks but when drafting 2nd round picks they are the best
They never had a good scouting team until now. Joe Dumars wasn't good at drafting, and neither was Van Gundy. But the new guy Troy Weaver is doing a helluva job. Pistons on the right track.
It’s a good day when LOW uploads
Yep once a century
Spencer Dwinddie, KCP, Khris Middleton, Christian Wood, Andre Drummond.
That 2014 draft was solid, look at thag 2nd round talent alone with Dinwiddie, grant, jokic, powell, Clarkson, Joe Harris.
I’m crying while watching this 😭
At least this year we have a direction with our picks, we finally have someone competent in the front office, which is Troy weaver
Really hoping they don’t give up on Killian Hayes too soon
@@cadenk5688 yeah there are so many clowns that expect him to be a star immediately, and now that he’s struggling/now injured they’re calling him a bust already
@@getplayed7272 Billups used to be so ass and became good later in his career
That's just life dealing with casual Piston fans. To them Hayes is a bust, and so is Sekou. These kids are 19-20 years old, still raw as fuck and learning the game. But na, Pistons fans need their young players to ball out from day 1. They both are improving with each game.
@@paulwarren6062 Previous Pistons front offices didn't realize that having raw players that take a few seasons to develop was a good thing because it allows you to keep stacking potential talent up every year from the draft. It seems to me like the Pistons are in that mode now.
I fuck with u hard LEGEND OF WINNING!!!!
You all about them DUBS
Keep pumpin em out for me big brotha!!
#hype
The Pistons franchise died on March 13, 2009 when Hall of Fame owner William Davidson passed away, since then the team has a 363-538 record (.403%) and an 0-12 playoff record and only 1 winning season.
This gon hurt for Krispy🤣
I completely forgot KCP was that young
Btw, nobody mention Killian Hayes , the player they drafted with 7th overall a month ago, broke his hip (possibly career ending, same injury to Issah Thomas)after putting up horrific numbers (30% 2pt, 20%3pt)
Great and true video. Only missed one thing, as I see it. The Pistons got screwed in the lottery every single time. If there was a coin flip, they lost it. Meanwhile, Cleveland got set up with two #1s after LeBron left.
This vid hit different when you’re actually frm Detroit smh I’m still riding for my Pistons doe
Ay man stay chill and enjoy the tanking. What we're doing now is developing who we have now, working to trade blake, and get a higher draft pick (top 5 prospect would complete our roster)
@@toonballoon6244 I think the pistons need a lot more than a top 5 pick to complete their roster😂 I would say they need another 3-4 years of tanking in order to even fully start rebuilding. Right now the pistons are below the stages of rebuilding. They are just in the middle of nowhere. I hope they turn it around though
What I’ve learned today, Pistons draft well but can’t manage a team to save their damn life
To poor out there
Draft well? You don’t seem to bring up Darko.
I hate them,bad boys,illegal boys!
Monroe wasn't a RFA, he took the qualifying offer in 2014 and walked away as an UFA in 2015
key thing is “made the right sense” they selected based on needs, and it’s extremely hard to pick the most talented players in drafts. with notable exceptions but overall you can’t fault them
You're right, there is always a silver lining. But you know, people just like to look at the bad things.
Damn man, why saying things like that to SGA man, he still is a young player, don't miss out on him man
When are we getting another installment of why you shouldn’t tank
The pistons were not tanking in any of these examples he used. So how would telling them not to tank have stopped them from giving up on their young talent too soon?
@@ThePrufessa you don’t understand my comment reread it. It has nothing to do with the pistons
@@gengar464 oh my bad.
@@ThePrufessa We're tanking now, but it's a really good thing. We've havent gotten blown out yet, and if you take a look at our schedule; it's pretty brutal.
A VERY good video. One thing you left out, which contributed to a lot of the bad decisions early in the video, was the death of former owner Bill Davidson in 2008. After starting the season 3-0, he died shortly after that. His wife Karen, pulled the money from the team, which prompted Joe Dumars to trade Chauncey Billups. That was the beginning of the end for everything and the start of this whole video. Dumars was literally working on a shoestring budget with whatever he could. No, it doesn't excuse bad decisions but having no money to work with will do that to you. Once Tom Gores bought the team, he made the mistake of letting Stan Van Gundy be coach and GM, to which, he made some of the WORST decisions. Let's see what happens with Troy Weaver.
I was wondering why you haven't uploaded in a while, but now I know you were working on a banger! Great vid
It crazy how they could’ve started a “Rebuild” then waives LiAngelo Ball
He no LaMelo, not even a Lonzo...yet
Maybe the detroit curse will kick in and he will be a super star
When you were showing Brandon knight highlights you should’ve showed him getting dunked on by DJ
Or crossed by kyrie
@@kameronduckett yep Brandon knight is known for being on the floor
Two ways to look at the play. 1) he got dunked on 2) your PG had enough balls to try and block DJ. He should be applauding for trying and doing the centers job.
@@paulwarren6062 it looked like he didn’t even know what was happening and he just got murdered
@@Jeremy-wm3zd He did get murdered, but at least he tried to make a play on the ball. That's the important thing. But people only wanna look at the dunk. My point is, he's a PG that tried to block a dunk from a big. I always appreciated the effort.
Dinwiddie showed great potential in his time with the Pistons. Why the hell they didn’t keep him is beyond me.
They easily gave up on young talents by either trading them or letting them walk away in 2 years. Players are still developing @ this stage.
This shit is so depressing to be a fan of🤦♂️
Nah. This is our most fun season yet. inb4 "lawl a rebuild season is fun for you?", yes because I personally love observing growth in players.
Watching Isaiah Stewart learn basketball IQ, or Killian Hayes figure out his playmaking and shot, has been extremely enjoyable.
SGA won’t be an all star. Uncommon L take
😭😭
It seems to me that the Pistons’ problems have more to do with development of players and managing resources rather than drafting. Some of the players they traded or let walk away turned out pretty well elsewhere. Compare this to the last decade of the Raptors where so-so prospects became major contributors and/or trade pieces.
This is my favorite style of video by you. You should go back to the 80s cavs maybe and talk about how they wasted most of the early to mid 80s picks in a few trades trade.
Thank god detroit screwed up all their pics so other franchises could succeed 😉
To sum up: they didn't even pick bad players per se, they just got rid of them all by either trading them for nothing in return or allowing them to walk into free agency
Dear lord, seeing the names Gordon Heyward and Paul George right after Greg Monroe in 2010 and then seeing Klay Thompson and Kawhi Leonard after Brandon Knight in 2011 is very painful. Add to it that the best pick the Pistons made in the decade, Khris Middleton, was tossed in a trade to get rid of one of their picks, Brandon Knight, and the pain becomes worse. Then it continues like that for the rest of the decade.
I like the music selection for this video
Damn bro, this hurts even more when you see ran down like this
Finally i found a new channel worth watching 👌
Bro said Shai wouldn't be close to an All-Star 😭
Bro Shai gilgious Alexander will be an all star with good supporting cast
This was a good video 👍🏼 never realized how they screwed up with them picks and I live in Detroit smh
As a Pistons fan we did it a agian by drafting Kilian Hayes over Haliburton. Haliburton is looking like the ROY so far.
Way too early to say that, don't forget about the injure that set Hayes back. Hayes is younger and more of a raw prospect, Haliburton is almost 2 years older with college experience. Haliburton is further again in development. But once Hayes matures and he's he's gonna be good too. On top of that, Haliburton's agent didn't want him in Detroit.
Brandon Jennings was sick before he tore his Achilles. There was a lot of hope from pistons fans at that time
Yes we were...RIP Jennings
This would’ve been a pretty good team:
PG: Kemba Walker
SG: Kris Middleton
SF: Gordon Hayward
PF: TJ Warren
C: Andre Drummond
6th Man: Spencer Didwiddie
This What if Line up Team looks like it can make a 1st round defeat
As a pistons fan I can admit I was in support of some of those picks:
Stanley Johnson
Luke Kennard
Drummond those were either my 1st or 2nd choice for their drafts. Detroit's last great lottery pick was Grant Hill, that should tell you something the scouts we've employed
No matter how bad we do I’m a ride or die piston🔴🔵🔴🔵
This tells you, evaluating talent is key. Not giving up on talent and developing talent peoples is important
I don’t get why the Pistons let Christian wood walk. He was literally the one bright spot that team had and as we all know has the potential to be an all-star
Ayo low, been a fan for almost a year now and i love ur vids, including this one that was great, i just didnt like the background music as much as the one u usually use, i think it got too dramatic lmaoooo, but the vid was still great tho. Huge fan and ur a big influence to me!
how did we (pistons) not figure out how to tank and get a higher draft pick that is more likely to be a star rather than missing on basically 8 consecutive number 8 picks?
I think player development has a lot to do with it as well.... most of these guys seem to get better as soon as they leave the team
I remember when Stanley Johnson got drafted. I was sooo hype for that man
I was shocked at how he never developed.
@@nukeboy4939 Same man was supposed to be a good 2 way wing with athleticism
They even have the Bust of the Year in Killian Hayes.. 😆🤦♂️😆
He’s not a bust dude can play and has elite instincts
@@armontimuzic6785 ... 🤦♂️😆🤦♂️
@@armontimuzic6785 .. Dante Exum 2.0 😆🤦♂️😆
They even abandon Christian Woods. Dude see his potential at Houston these days
The real sin seems to be not bad drafting but bad asset management, not signing players to that second contract when they are at least nba starter level players is the sign of a bad front office, knicks have a similar track record although most of the time their lottery picks are more like nba washouts.
I can see you trying to emulate Jymxhighroller way of speaking. That's alright, I ain't mad at you 🤣🤣🤣
I was crackin up every time I saw the players who were selected after their picks
the kennard pick was worse because everyone including mitchell thought the pistons were taking him
Detroit let KCP walk cause they already worked out a trade involving Marcus Morris and getting Avery Bradley, who by that time is a 1st team all-defense member and considered as the best 3-and-D guard in the league, from Boston.
Let us not forget the 76's draft blunders. They drafted Even Turner as their number 2 pick in 2010 instead of Cousins, Paul George or Hayward.They traded away their drafted player Vucevic in 2012. Traded away their drafted player Jrue Holiday for Nerlens Noel in 2013 and also in 2013 drafted Michael Carter Williams at number 11 instead of Giannis or Steven Adams. In 2014, drafted Elfrid Payton instead of Nurkic or Zach Lavine. Drafted Jahlil Okafor at number 3 in 2015 instead of KP, Myles Turner, or Devin Booker. In 2016, traded away their drafted player Jeremy Grant for Ersan Ilyasova. In 2017 probably their biggest blunder but they traded up to take Fultz and lost a first round pick and Jayson Tatum. Lastly in 2018 they traded away Mikal Bridges for Zhaire Smith so we will see if that one will stand the test of time. Overall, they are lucky to have got Embiid and Simmons out of that mess but they could have been so much better without their blunders over the years.
Once again nobody knew how good Middleton would be who he is today
It’s really depressing being a Detroit sports fan🤦🏻♂️
8:10 Adam Sliver was not expecting that hug lmao
And this is why you don’t tank. The draft is literally a lottery.