BetaFlight Rate Settings - For new and intermediate pilots
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- The updated video is even super old by now. I may consider making a new one soon...
Update video: • Betaflight PID2 settin...
I've been testing the rates I described at the end of the video. Today I actually run different rates for a different feel.
Pitch/roll: RCrate - 1.02, Super Rate - 0.74, RC Expo 0
Yaw: RCrate - 2.05, Super Rate - 0.45, RC Expo 0
This is a terrific explanation of rates. I've watched so many, and this was the clearest explanation I've seen
Jon B Baca thank you, I try to simplify things as much as possible
Every day is a new day of learning something new & for some, redefining answers (some simpler & some more complex) but with the outcome being that of answers / knowledge which is shared from one individual to the next. Now. .. As with this particular section & defining it in a manner for one to grasp with an understand of it (meaning of the mechanical function in layman's terms) you did a "Fabulous Job". With so many people new to this hobby & for some that just want a simple answer (we've all been there, right) that's straight to the point minus the theory / concept added. It's the cliffs notes version that many seek for. Keep it up buddy.
That's very helpful. understanding what the graphs do an mean is already a good first step for a newbie like me
Great explanation! I had to leave the hobby for over a year... coming back and seeing the evolution of rates made what was simple before - exceptionally confusing. It took me a while just to get a handle on all the new bells and whistles, but your explanation here really drives it home.
NarcolepticLTD I try to simplify it but there's nothing simple about it. this is also just a small portion. just the rates...
Your video and explanation made it simple :) The initial confusion I was speaking of was when I initially came back into the hobby after a long break. Basically, very glad to see this video on the tubes. Thank you sir!
Thanks for the great info, I've just finished a great pid tuning experience with Mr Bardwells advice, I then moved onto rates with your advice and tried out your settings from the description, I love the zippy mellow feel it gives my zmr250, I know I need to season to taste but man what a great place to start. Thanks very much.
great info here - I have been flying for a while and transitioned to pinching a few months ago - I could never figure out what was happening with my yaw - it never seemed coordinated - you made my day!!!
now i can fly acro LOS so much better and feel way more in tune in FPV
thank you
00fluxone yeah the yaw thing with pinching doesn't make any sense. everyone can move the right stick side to side fine but the left stick is an issue. I think it's because the throttle is loose so we try not to touch yaw unless needed in order to stay smooth.
been flying again this morning I cant believe the difference - if I had not seen your video i dont think I would have ever increased my yaw rate as much as I have - nice tip
now i just need to figure out what that means in the KISS rate settings....
00fluxone lol yeah dude, our brains are just messed up. we need to account for that.
This video is great, short and easy to follow.
Just for fun I copied your rates on a sim with beta flight and it immediately made it better. Great video!
I subscribe because of the content of this channel. This is another example why I keep coming back. Well done. Now please release your new frame :)
I just thought of something. Does this apply to STRICTLY RACING where you are not doing rolls and flips? Wouldn't having slower rates make more sense when racing so you don't over shoot, over correct your turns, and flying smoothly is paramount? I think I listened to BrainDrain state on a podcast that his rates are around .20 pitch and roll and .25 yaw. That is really slow but he says he can make every turn with those rates.
Thanks, I try not to waste anyones time and have no interest in VLogging half my life and editing during the other half.
This video applies to both. During racing you're usually more hyped up and twitchy. Lower rates smooth things out a lot and as you said, you're not doing crazy rolls and flips so you'd prefer to have more turning resolution rather than ability for quick movements. Many, maybe even most people that race and freestyle often have two rate setups. Usually these are thumb flyers I find. Pinching logically gives you more control and for me personally, I can use the same settings for both fine. That being said, I'm not a fan of the crazy rolls and flips during acro either. Anyone can punch their rates and flip 30 times a second...
acro + curve solves that. gives u more control in the mid band, and at the same time gives u high flip & roll speed @ the outer sticks. but u already know that :)
Jonathan Edrada
Thank you for making this video, this explanation on what rates do is what I've been looking for , you are the only one talking about rates in detail everybody else literally flyby them like they don't matter, sometimes I feel like some guys don't want to reveal their secrets. Thank you.
Very nice explanation :)
I figured out all the differences between RC Rate, Super Rate & RC Expo, while trying to change the values and feel how the copter was flying after!
Pretty cool stuff!
Thanks for sharing and have a great weekend
everyone should now understand rates with this video, thanks
It's a tiny bit different now and they call them a little different now too. Super expo became super rate
excellent! to an intermediate pilot..this explains things really well. will experiment more with these areas. cheers dude!
This was great for getting rates, I can't understand why you have any dislikes. It made perfect sense and I'm using BF 10.7 , If your going to make another video just make a part 2 as an update.
I just switched from using lots of RC Expo to the rates in the description and man, it's a huge difference. I kept oversteering on quick moves and now it feels much better.
This made Rates easy to understand. Watched many videos about it but this one was most helpful. Thanks
so i started fly july of 2016 so after about six months iv been working to find that filling im looking for so glade to see this video gave me a better understanding
I have never really played much with my settings, but i followed this video and felt confident enough to give it a go ... i didnt go as high with the rc rates but it has made a diference and i can flip and roll even quiker now :) thank you
Thank you so much for this mini tutorial. Best video of the year so far :)
This clearly explains the "swish" in Kabab's flying...sorry for the corny pun but I had to do it...just saying.
Good instruction video with great detail and without techno overkill.
Not saying "techno" is bad just getting to the gist of it is simply awesome.
Seeing this in 2020 and still so useful!
Interesting to see how others set their RCrate etc. Mine are very different to yours.
Recently I have been experimenting with RCrate's around 70-80 and Super rate's 90-80 feels good.
I think it's also worth mentioning Rate profiles and how important is is to have a 3 position switch
set up so you can switch in the field. This is essential for finding the right balance.
Fantastic! Loved your approach for getting faster Yaw. I'd been stuck in the mindset of using the same Super on all and just increasing Yaw's RC Rate to get it faster.
short, simple and to the point, thank you for your time.
I like that you concentrated on Rates. IMO it is not discussed enough. Great Job!
Hello from Russia, Thank you very good video. Thank you very much for your personal settings. Very helped to fly became much more supple and easier.
I'm new to Betaflight and your video gave me all the info that i needed to know, Thank you.
although I love my rates now, I wish I had this info when I started. Settings up good rates is way more important than fine tuning PIDs when you're learning. I spent weekends messing with PIDs trying to get the quad to feel "on rails" but I gained a lot more control and confidence in flying after getting rates that worked for my brain as you said.
+Brennan G right. PIDs are whatever, especially these days. Stock PIDs are fine when you're at 8k/8k. The rates are far far more impactful. That being said, altering PIDs does actually modulate the rate feel. Different PID tunes will require different rates. I just got some new prototype props that I like so I need to adjust the rates again myself to accommodate... Everything matters.
Great explanation of these three settings. Thanks for the video and Happy Flying!
Jonathan Edradan2 weeks ago
I subscribe because of the content of this channel. This is another example why I keep coming back. Well done. Now please release your new frame :)
Couldn't say it better! Thanks
Thanks for taking the time to do this. I found it really useful
You're welcome. I know I'll be referring many people just like yourself to the video too since I get so many questions about this.
All the way i have been wondering why my yaw response is not as good as roll.. your idea of making yaw rate > 2 greatly helped me to take coordinated turns in the first place. Thank you.
My name has s Kabab, and you're going to learn something today.... lol.
Great job explaining- I need help with my tunes- you gave me a clearer understanding of what I need to do- thanks
+7demo7 lol I love Josh. I'm nowhere near his level of understanding on any part of this stuff. I'm actually gonna change up my rates a bit because I just got some new prototype props that pretty much require me to...
Thank you for this explanation. it makes perfect sense now. I've amended curves with the TX before and it seems to make more sense the way you explained it. Thanks
Very good explanation. I also found that setting lower rates for new pilots is not necessarily the best approach.
I started with the wizard and flew stock pids and rates for many months. Watched various videos on tuning and setting rates.
It took what seemed like forever but wow what a difference when you do finally get it locked in. I was still not certain of exactly what the super rates and expo do but this cleared things up.
great job bro. you just cleared up soo much for me.
Wow! I just transitioned from Spektrum Dx6 to Taranis, and you perfectly described my problem with the yaw control:) I pinch also, and the range of movement of the throttle/yaw stick is large relative to my Spektrum, so I struggle with the larger range and suffer terrible yaw control when at a low throttle position, like during tight races gates...totally makes me feel like a noob pilot, and demotivating. But, I upped the Yaw RC rate yesterday, and had one flight...felt better, but about to go test again
This video is extremely informative, definitely going to subscribe and drop a like!
Great video, explained well. Thank you
Good video, thanks. Certainly got me thinking that I should spend more time on this.
good explanation, and great run through. just a side note, the max degrees per second have to do with how many times your quad will flip "per second". I think, for example, and I could be slightly off, but 1600 degrees per second is 4.6 flips or rolls per 1.6 seconds, or something to that affect. there's a conversion rate somewhere, but that's basically what it is. I try to keep mine at around 1526ish. good and informative video man!
Tom Coffel 1526dps is really really really high. I'm down around 700 and that's good for me. it's degrees of rotation per second. so divide by 360 for number of flips per second
Kabab FPV yeah, I couldn't recall the formula, but I like mine that high because I can get a quick snap right, left, up or down and get a serious quick roll / flip and make serious combo's. when adding in RC expo, just a touch anyway, it allows that smooth finish after the snap to appear fluid. thanks again for the reply and videos man, I've subbed!
Very good video!
It made some things clear for me.
I have just come to the sport, and out of the 3 or 4 videos I've watched on this subject yours is the most understandable. Thanks for helping to clear this up a bit for me!
Things are very different these days. Even I usually just use defaults on betaflight. They're really well balanced now.
thanks, super helpful for starting out.
I love these theory videos, so much useful knowlegde.
Fraser Steen ya me too im on my expo n rates almost 2yrs now n still i can quite there yet...😪 now after his vid explanation i kinda get it.. what i have lost all this time.. tq
Yeah took me a year of guess and check to gain this minor level of understanding that I feel like I might have.
Great job. I bought a preowned tinyhawk that has crazy rates (project mockingbird). I am just trying to start slow and looking for the most easiest rates for now.
great explanation. helps me out a lot undestanding the settings. thanks for the video.
Finally a decent explanation
I'm surprised this is still somewhat relevant this long later. Now we have feedforward and a few other things too. I like my feed forward low. I set mine to 8 all around.
Brilliant explanation! Thanks for posting this it's a huge help!
Finally those PID things make sense to me xD thanks m8 ^^
You are nearly there with setpoint transition but it actually affects the D-term setpoint as you return the stick to zero, not at the end of the stick movement.
So, an example. If you do a single barrel roll. As you push the stick in the direction of the roll, and the Setpoint weight is at zero, it will be very smooth, and the higher the setpoint is, the more snappy or 'accelerated' the response (as you mention).
Now as you finish the roll and bring the stick back to centre this is where Setpoint transition comes into play. If setpoint transition is set to 1.0 the accelerating effect described above will be the same as it was going into the roll. The lower you drop the setpoint transition the more the returning of the stick to zero smooths out the quad motion and reduces that accelerating effect.The idea is that you can have a very snappy response going into the roll but as you come out of the roll the response is much smoother, leading to nicer smooth skitzo style moves.
It is also great as it helps with bounce back at the end of the move as the airframes rate of rotation is smoothly reduced rather than stopped abruptly. Make sense? It is a really tricky one to describe. The wiki states:
Dterm setpoint: 0 = Measurement (smooth), 1 = error (sharp and responsive). Everything above 1 is more error / more stick derivative. 2 = 2 times error.
The second slider is setpoint transition.
When going into the roll its error and when returning from roll back to center stick it will be transitioned more into measurement to smooth it out.
Here it means D setpoint transition of 1 means no transition at all. Its fully error from setpoint weight. When lower than 1 it will soften the transition on returning stick slowly to measurement.
For example if you liked the smoothness of measurement on quick stick inputs etc, but you also like the responsitivity of error, which makes it more robotic than you can find a middle way now. Still high stick response, but without losing the smoothness on stick returns
Oh and D Setpoint weight of 1 is actually accelerated, just that anything above 1 is super accelerated. If you really don't want any of that accelerated feel, try dropping the d setpoint to less than 1. In the old days it was measurement vs error and the choice was binary, one or the other. These sliders allow you to be more nuanced in your approach and have a bit of each. It is really a great feature and you can play with it quite a bit to get the best feel
OMG this is fantastic. Thank you. I couldn't figure that out at all. So I want good response but not too much. That's why I turn my setpoint down to 1. I want extra smooth return to center so that's why I drop the transition down a little more from the default of 0.3. A transition of 1 would mean that it would be as snappy on the return as it was on the execution of the move. Correct? Now the names 'setpoint' and 'transition' even make sense. So technically I could increase my DPS and reduce the setpoint even more in order to keep it manageable even in a race setting where nerves are tense and movements are plenty...? I think you might be one of the four people that actually understands what these two do. Would you mind if I make a video explaining this and absolutely reference you and your response?
Kabab FPV Exactly correct. And yes you could increase your DPS and use the slider to keep the smooth feel and filter out the nerve related finger jinks. I'm totally happy for you to make a video too. Looking forward to watching it!
Thanks for the explanation! Had to watch this again bcuz I’ve been away from the fpv too long lol.
God I wish I'd subscribed to this channel sooner you explain things that a lot of novices like myself can understand keep up the good work matey need to watch some more of your videos now can see it being a late nite lol 👍
Just tried your pids and rates, ‘‘twas a superb flight. 🤟
Much has changed since then. But I've also changed myself too. I've simplified my rates to 1.31 for pitch, roll and yaw. Everything else is default on BF 3.4 and up. On ButterFlight 3.4 my D setpoint is 0.1 and transition is 0.7. I've simplified all this based on all the Improvements since then. I've made yaw the same as the rest because it's easier to cross coordinate. But I had to learn to use yaw more because I pinch and many Pinchers have trouble moving the yaw like thumbers do.
well done, but this newbie understands exactly what you said. you explained it well.
Hi Kabab. This was awesome. What a great contribution for those of us who are beginning the arduous task of mitigating the learning "curve" lol. Would you mind commenting on Angle/Horizon? Specifically, what is the purpose of "Strength" and "Transition"? Also, what is "Angle Limit" and "Sensitivity"? Thanks again. - snaks
snaks2820 I can't actually comment much on those modes other than to tell you to never ever use them unless you're flying something tiny whoop sized. angle limit I know means how much it'll let you tilt. angle mode doesn't let you pass that angle that you set. horizon mode is auto level but will allow you to do flips and rolls. really just don't use them. they make FPV flying much more difficult and even for LOS tuning they override the actual PIDs. using these models will make it much harder to eventually start using acro mode.
That makes a lot of sense now that I'm looking at my settings. I don't have horizon mode configured so that's a step in the right direction it sounds like. I'll stop using angle mode right away. Thankfully, I just started. Thanks again.
thanks hoping the above rates will allow me to learn to fly a bit quicker and without crashes so much. Was using default settings now for two months. Really didn't like the feel of my alien 5 " frame.
bob you're awesome. Yet another video I can pass around.
KelvinFPV thanks. I have a lot of videos about everything I wanna make but it's just so much to tackle I make them as I get more questions about a particular topic.
hey there i really find your info really helpful. it would be awesome if u could help me if it is possible. i am a disabled veteran and locally no one knows anything and everyone i talk to either is to busy to prideful or truthfully not up to date on info. so i have searched thru hundreds of videos and for some reason i keep coming back to u. drones fpv is saving my life i almost allowed the world to kill me then i saw mr steele and since then i have been clean and have a new reason to love something but unfortunately my upride hurts me but i keep spending to much to not get any payback. out ofr everyones setups u have the coolest and my fiancee told me to send u my email jpdudley12@gmail.com please if u dont mind helping yr influence could shape our community in north louisiana if not thank you
kababfpv was meant for u my bad
Thanks for the info, ive been flying for a year now and never had to tune a quad. they were all bnf, but I got a dys board and the rates were super slow I had to hold the stick forever to roll, about to go out to the field and see what improvements were maid.
Thanks so much for this video. It made me fly a lot better. These rates made a big difference for me. Which rates do you recommend for someone still pretty new?
I mean the ones in the video or the ones listed?
nice video and now I have a better understanding of what those settings do... :-)
I would never say one setting would mask a "bad" setting somewhere else. every setting does something different and you change the settings to make the quad fly well, when one setting makes the quad fly better than thats not at all "masking" anything, it just makes the quad fly better. there just are two settings that happen to have an influence on the same thing and its preference what setting you use. And also the D setpoint transition has a very different effect than different pids, you can archieve things with it that you could never archieve with pids because if you would change the pids in a way that would make the quad fly like with the different D setpoint transition than that would have so big "side effects" that the quad would potentially become unflyable.
Yes I agree but for the sake of simplicity, it can actually mask a messy D tune. But you're right, the quad needs to be tuned right from the get go. Most people just run stock however...
Nice explanation in decent amount of time. 🤜
thanks for the info, much appreciated!
Great explanation, makes sense 👍🏻 many thanks! Would love to see video about recommended rates for the amateurs )))
Defaults are the recommended rates. Don't touch them at all. Just use betaflight defaults. It's what I use myself and sometimes I even lower it more
KababFPV The thing is, I've got 5" quad / 6S / 2207 1750kv / 5045 props. It's scary fast for me, I feel like a 10 year old behind the wheel of F1 car 😂 Just want to tone it down a bit and make more tame.
@@ShebanFPV use 4s batteries or limit throttle in betaflight to 70
KababFPV KababFPV Thanks for the advice 👍🏻 I will also try to add a bit of RC Expo for a smoother mid stick feel
Great explanation! Thank you!
Great video! I was playing with this last night before I watched the video and figured it all out! You describe it exactly how it works! Also, I gotta ask, where did you get the silicone stick caps, i been searching all over but not sure the best size, i was thinking 6mm int diameter? Cheers
great video bro helped me big time thnks alot
all the best to you from glasgow
good job
thankyou, i found this video very helpful!
finally i found treasure.. :-) its work.. thanks....
thank you, you fixed my yaw issue
Thanks I hope this helps me out!
I think I am loving the skewers even more than the content itself :P Could use some peppers man, just meat and mushrooms?! ;)
muteFPV lol yeah I looked through maybe a thousand cartoon pix of kabob to decide I liked that look best then I drew it.
Very helpful. Thanks!
hotprops simulator has betaflight and raceflight rate settings so you can test them out now.
HI, i'm a new pilot and i learn a lot from your videos. I need an advice from you guys. At the begening, flying acro is like 'How to waste your money as fast as you can' Crash after crash. (Indoor cause i start to learn flying at the beginning of winter). So i quickly switch from acro to angle mode. Got a lot of fun in angle but a little voice in me say 'you learn bad habits'... Did i waste my time by learning angle mode at the begening ? Should i go acro right now or my learning curve is dead ? :) I cant wait for summer ! love that hobby any tips are welcome.
I have the same issue with my yaw stick movements. No matter what I do I can't seem to get that movement as fast physically as my right stick movements are. I've come to the conclusion that maybe it's because I'm right handed so it's just more natural feeling when moving the right stick compared to the left stick. Now if your left handed then that blows my theory all to shit lol. Great vids thank you
no way I'm right handed too. we have broken brains. doesn't make any sense. just up the yaw rate and drop the yaw super expo to like 0.46 so it's not super crazy at fill deflection
Thank you for this video bro 👊
Awesome, good info. Where did you get those stick ends for your taranis? Are they rubber? They look nice and sticky but comfy too...
they were off a toy controller. I don't use them anymore. They actually made it too easy to move the sticks.
Very well explained dude.
Greatly Appreciated...
Hey, been watching your channel for a while, ive learned alot, thank you. I wanted to ask where did you get those rubber ends for your sticks? Or is it something you diy?
I got it off another toy controller. They're actually not better. Was just testing them
Thanks for that! It was realy helpfull vor me!
Wow very helpful video! Appreciate it! Got my subscription and like!
Thanks for this - it really helped. One question - any advice for throttle curve?
Great video. Thanks. Is there a compelling reason to set rates on the flight controller vs the transmitter? Most transmitters allow fairly complex functions. You can precalculate super rate and send to the aircraft (which would just have linear rates).
It's just easier to put into the FC. Controller menus are messy and confusing. The FC also governs the maximum movement rates. The controller cannot go past that
Many Thanks!
it doesn't mask bad PID terms, it corrects sloppy inputs and the spring bounce on the stick.
Nice job, thank you
Awesome video!! Is this only for acro mode? Or does it change the rates for my angle and horizon modes as well?
I'm pretty sure it does all of them but why are you using anything but acro mode?
Kabab FPV I was only using angle mode for the take off lol. I actually flew acro mode for the first time last night! Wow it's way harder than I thought. Almost crashed 3 times! I'm going to stick with it though!
really helpful, thanks
Thank you gust subscribed
Dude, this really helped!
Hey, what is that on your sticks? Is that like a tacky rubber? Seems like a great idea. Never seen them before. I am always slipping off my sticks. I have never touched my rates or pids. But I just started doing flips, rolls, loops, and dives with stock Betaflight settings. Now I understand what you mean when you say that your rates dont match what your brain anticipates. I dont want to develop any bad habits by compensating for bad rates, but Im definately scared to touch these settings. I do not like rc expo. But I want faster pitch and roll rates. Should I increase the deg per sec or add super rate?
Thank you !!
Thanks,
Very instructive.
Would you mind to share your knowledge about quad design? What software, what has worked for you, how do you began with the topic?
That would be very interesting.
Thanks for sharing and keep it up
I prefer Google Sketch-up because it's just so damn quick. I started designing things because all the frame options out there just didn't do it for me. None of them had obvious features that I knew I wanted. One day the owner of PiroFlip said loves my designs and wants to sell them at his shop. That's where it all started.
The yaw thing gets me too. I prefer shorter movements for yaw and full range for roll.
I like these rates a lot too, and dont quite understand why so many use low rc-rates together with high rates these days. Sure, it allows very snappy moves and at the same time forgiving adjustments around center stick, but theres nothing to work with inbetween! Youre either doing very smooth small inputs or crazy flips and rolls. But what if you want to rotate at a third of max speed, or half? Its hard to get muscle memory working correctly when theres no linear element involved. But whats your opinion on how much P to use with these rates? I find that if I tune P to be as high as possible, I end up requiring to use rc-expo to get a smooth center stick. But if I lower it somewhat, I can get away with not using expo (expo feels way off to me in bf) and can have lower D (and thus lower latency) but instead sacrifice a little bit of the crispness. Decisions decisions... love your work, keep it up!
BaronGallon I tend to run slightly lower P because I don't want the prop wash. you can complete change the way the sticks feel with the setpoint and transition settings. just about to upload a video on it. it'll be up tomorrow. basically, set your rotation rates to whatever you want, make the graph smooth or whatever. if you like highly responsive sticks, turn the setpoint to anything over 1.5. whatever you do, leave the D transition at 0.25 or 0.3.
Great explanation, so unless I just completely misunderstood all you said. The rates settings should really be on a completely separate tab then the PID's. I am new to all of this and up until just now thought the PID's and rates had an effect on one another.
Jason Graham well PID does have some impact on rates but not nearly as much as it used to back in the say. for the most part, they're independent.
I have same issue with yaw/rotation (8:46). Hopefully this will do the trick. Thanks for the tips