honestly, people need to stop hating on your opinion. everyone has different opinions on things. like personally, I haven't rode a mack coaster, but even if I did I wouldn't hate on your opinion.
Some of them have shared names with a ride in NA. Raptor is a wing coaster in Italy and it’s also an invert at cedar point. Goliath is an intamin mega at walibi Holland and there’s other Goliaths in the states.
While I haven't ridden a Mack coaster yet, I can say for certain that I definitely disagree some of these points. 1. The company took too long to start building major coasters: I don't understand why that's a reason to hate a coaster manufacturer. I mean they're making major coasters, which is all I think should really matter. They've still been making coasters longer then RMC so . . . 2. They're forceless: While they're launches do look weak, Their coasters look to have great ejector airtime, laterals, positives, hangtime, and whip. I would like if the launches were a bit more forceful, but if the layouts are good I can deal with a weak launch. 3. They're too expensive: It doesn't cost you anything to build these rides, so I don't know why that's a reason for you to consider them bad. At least they're reliable, unlike any Intamin made before 2016, which should actually be more important to you, because that actually affects you. 4.They don't have alot of standout coasters: This isn't a reason to call a manufacturer bad imo. Mack rides makes lots of different types of coasters, and alot of them are oriented towards families, so of corse those won't be stand out attractions. However, just about every major thrill coaster they have made From 2014 onwards looks really good. Considering they've only been making major thrill coasters for 12 years at this point, they have a lot of standout coasters. (Edit) I rode Copperhead Strike in August, and my second point absolutely stands. It's the second best ride in the park and in my top 10 overall.
For the Price Argument: The Guests will need - allways - to cover the costs. That's how a Buisnress works, and a Theme Park is one. However, an expansive Coaster might still be worth it. Because the Rides are pretty much the only Reason why they have paying Customers in the first Place. Sure, you'll usually pay for Entry, not for the Rides, so a broken down Roller Coaster doesn't accumulate direct losses. But the more "unrelyable" Rides you have in your Parks, the more Downtimes Customers will Experience and the worse that Experience will get. Which doesn't only affect the likeliness of your Customer returning and spending more Money - or not - Customers do Mouth Propaganda. If you had a fantastic Time, you may tell your Friends and Family, who may also visit. If you had a bad Time tough, you will most certainly tell your Friends and Family - who wouldn't wanna visit your Park after bad Reviews. Also, having something that constantly breaks down is just a huge Pain in the Arse. Ask anyone who ever had the Pleasure of driving an old, inexpansive, fucked up Car. As long as it works, it's absolutely fine and doesn't realy do anything significantly worse then a Car worth 10 Times the Price. However, they are absolutely proned to Failure whenever it is the absolute worst Time to fail. Ask me how I know about that, lol.
I agree with all your points except what you said about Copperhead. No positive Gs on that one for me outside of the first loop. Was kinda boring but the hangtime was cool and it has great air. #5 in the park for me
@@huntzzio It was running really fast when I rode it, and it was more intense than expected. I will say that positives aren't as pronounced as the other forces, but they were still noticable when I rode. The airtime on the three hills and the Stengle dive that goes through the first loop was really good, and the second half had some pretty whippy transitions. The only dull moments were the launches. that's how it ran when I rode it.
@@TB_2006 all your agruments still stand till today. Mack are now building rides like exodus, voltron, Ride to happiness and more and there is no way you could call any of these forceless, atleast by looking at their povs so far/ ride experience. I completly stand by your opinion
They may be expensive, but one of the main draws for a park to build a mack rides coaster is it's guaranteed ROI (Return on Investment). I have never seen a mack coaster not earn back the money that a park has spent on it which is probably why a park which has been slowly dying like Thorpe Park invested 18million into their latest hyper coaster because they will almost be guaranteed to get a good ROI.
I have ridden over 12 Mack Coasters, and almost every single one was really good. “I think most European coasters look really bad”, I think you´ve never heard of: -Expedition Geforce -Kärnan -Zadra -Lech Coaster -Hyperion -Colossos -Flug der Dämonen -iSpeed -Helix -Hals über Kopf -Flucht von Novgorod -El Toro -Untamed -Kondaa -Wildfire -Goliath -Troy -Fenix -The Smiler -Karacho -Taron -...
Ok I grew up with Mack coasters at Europapark so I don't agree at all. 1. Not every Launch needs to be forceful. Yes sure Mack builds weak launches but remember not everyone likes forceful Launches 2. "Mack Rides is a slow Company" so what? is it that bad that Mack took so long to make a BIG COASTER? It sounds like it's a bad thing that it took them so long. 3. Mack coasters may not be intense but remember: Some people don't like intense coasters. Mack literally serves the market for high thrilling but not overly intense rollercoasters. 4. Mack Rides has some of the highest quality rollercoasters, the quality of the ride makes the price fair.
Mack rides coasters are some of the most intense nowadays especially in terms of airtime. Helix, DC Rivals and reportedly Ride to Happiness all pull -1.5g or higher which is completely ridiculous, and stronger anything Intamin is doing nowadays.
I know im a bit late now but with their Stryker model (Ive ridden Voltron over 15 times now) they really "completed" their range of Coasters. Votron or strykers being the forcefull and intense coasters hes seeking, Hypercoasters like hyperia, spinning and extreme spinning coasters, launched coasters that are thrilling but still for families etc. I think Mack really is one of the best manufacturers now
I totally agree with your 3rd point !! I’m not the biggest fan of positive g’s and I prefer hang time, airtime and whip. Which is why I love icon so much. Also, to add to your 2/4th point. Remember Vekoma guys. Look how long it took to get to making good high quality rides (no hate to Vekoma I love what they’re doing) and at least Macks older coasters were decent.
"most european coasters look pretty bad" most coaster manufacturers are based in europe, the only big ones in the us being: Arrow Chance Rides CCI GCI Gravity Group PTC Premier RMC RCCA Skyline E&F Miller S&S Wisdom Rides European based manufacturers: abc rides art engineering B&M Gerstlauer Giovanola Intamin (imaScore) Interpark KumbaK Mack Maurer Pinfari Preston & Berbieri RCS (they install most coasters) Reverchon RES SBF Schwarzkopf Sunkid Technical Park Vekoma Zamperla Zierer Wigand
Okay.... Every launch doesn’t need to be forceful. I think you can see Mack’s launches like a drop on a B&M. It is not that forceful but gets the ride started. So in Mack’s launches as a way to get up to speed and not an element. Then I don’t think the rest of the layout is force less That they don’t have many elite coaster is because they have only been making thrill coaster since 2008. You said that they have 8 elite coaster and I thinks that is pretty many. Especially when they’re elite coaster are like 4-5 different models. So they know how to design good models and you hate B&M more because how many new models have they made since 2008. I can give the answers, like 1-2. Then the price of a ride shouldn’t make you start to hate a manufacturer. If it’s like that I only like kiddie coaster. Because they are cheap. You have also 1-3 Mack coaster and you say that you don’t like them. If think your opinion is going to change if you ride helix. But your not going to Europe because you think they are not that many good roller coaster. Your opinion is going to change if you go to Europe.
Copperhead Strike is one of the Best Coasters in the Cedar Fair chain. The JoJo Roll in the beginning before the launch tunnel is special. Every launch doesn't need to be like Kingda Ka to make a coaster a thriller and Copperhead Strike most definitely dances with zombies, wears a red V jacket and glitter socks. Find another coaster to demonstrate Mack's flaws because Copperhead rocks.
Completely disagree I'm afraid. Just because it took them until 2009 to build modern day thrill-coasters, does not mean their other rides are bad, they were incredibly successful as seen by the number of rides/models they've produced world-wide, as u mention towards the end. Though it comes close, Mack is perhaps my favourite manufacturer, mainly for the unparalled quality of their modern rides. The seats, for example, are exceptional! :)
As someone who’s ridden copperhead strike. I think Mack launch coasters are pretty much carried by their elements. But the only way they are executed the way they are is through force less launches. If that makes any sense
I know I’m late but just in case you didn’t know the reason why copperhead costed more than fury was because Mack had to ship the track all the way from Germany. Because of the distance, it makes the shipment expensive. B&M has a plant in the U.S. so that helps cut the price for the track shipment down I guess. Plus copperhead has a lot more theming than fury. This is what I heard for why copperhead is the more expensive ride.
I wasn't expecting anything from copperhead strike from all I herd about macks being forceless. I was shocked to find out its was crazy forceful and felt rmc like and kicked mavericks ass and was far in away better than intimidator and afterburn maybe I caught on a good day but I rode it countless times last week and every ride blew me away.
I have thought about buying a mack roller coaster but I finally opted for a new sofa. Anayway my garden would have been a little bit too small for the coaster and the sofa turned out to be very reliable too.
@@sigmundjavenesflaa3452 yeah it’s compact, but it’s small scale in comparison to the other coasters at carowinds and also in comparison to larger mack coasters like the hyper coasters and helix
I mean honestly copperhead ranks just behind orion for me and is an excellent ride. I love the ejector plus the comfortable restraints. The inversions are also nice and I’m a sucker for hangtime so it just paired perfectly. I think a lot of your points are kinda nit-picky if I’m being honest. Like how they just started building bigger coasters and how that’s a problem and the whole price tag thing. Like of course we wish they made bigger coasters earlier and maybe a bit cheaper but maybe consider separating what’s out of your own control on facts forming your opinion, from your raw opinion of how a ride truly is. Just out of curiosity what Mack rides coasters have you ridden?
Mack are slowly getting better and more extreme. According to some Insiders i spoke to, the younger generation inside the company is slowly but surely getting a louder voice in the design process. Just look at the massive new launch coaster in China or the new Hyper at Thorpe Park (which many speculate to be a Mack).
this is a good video with some thought into it and I respect your stance on Mack but in My opinion it is one of the better manufacturers because of its reliability and comfortable yet forceful layouts like BlueFire which I rode 3 times. I think Mack also has recently started to make their rides cheaper and most buyers want what Mack can make. I respect them the most for how they are trying to get in different markets like wild mouse and how they can create new ones with the extreme spinner. All in all that is my opinion and I respect yours and good on you for talkin about your opinion.
In europe coasters have a theme in US not lol. But if they say European coasters are less good that's not true at all. We have Taron, F.L.Y, the ride to happiness, untamed. They're maybe not as high as in usa but that doesn't mean they're less good
Better imo. Neither ridden either however us coasters have no theming apart from like Velocicoaster and Hagrids. For me theming is one of if not the most important part of a coaster but that’s my opinion.
@@deejasart7766 I honestly don't think too highly of European coasters. It is kind of unfair for me to say that since I haven't been to Europe, but coasters in the USA set the standards and constantly one up each other. For example, in the UK, it is a consistent consensus that Nemesis is considered their best coaster. While i have no issue with that, I can tell you Montu, Alpengiest, and Raptor are all better. Theming does add a nice atmosphere for any ride, but it definitely doesn't make or break a coaster. I feel sometimes extra theming is given to certain rides to make up for what would be a lack luster coaster. I would rather have the money go towards ride layout than theming. Look at Taron. One of the best themed coasters, but Maverick, Velocicoaster, and now even Pantheon crap all over Taron. The Theming makes it seem like it is a better ride than what it is. I like theming, but just a nice setting, decent queue line and station is all you need. Mako at Sea World Orlando is perfect example. Awesome queue line and station and the coaster is along the lake. Perfect!
I mean why do they "look" bad? Not every coaster needs to be a hyper to be good, and I would argue a lot of European coasters look just as good as their American counterparts, if not better
You shoukd have done more research before posting this...Mack has just recently started to manufacter thrill coasters so obviously they dont have too many standout ones.
oh boi, how do i get started on this comment, i want to be respectful of a friends comment section so here we go... I not only disagree, but i find copperhead to be elite, yes elite, i know this is shocking news for an 07 coasters fan but guess what, 2 things, ejector and hangtime. The launches are forceless of course, they are supposed to gain speed not be main elements like other manufacturers, mack is the most underrated manufacturer ive seen, well other than those damn wild mice and journey to Atlantis in san antonio, yeah they are trash, but the Mack thrill coasters are almost all on my bucket list. So i must say that im proud of myself for not losing it, those damn anger management classes at cedar point might be helping.... it sure as hell is not the ones at six flags lmao
ICON at Blackpool Pleasure Beach is a fantastic ride. I've never ridden a Mack coaster and thought it was bad. Eurosat Can Can Coaster might be the best indoor coaster in the world it's so so good.
So i am a Mack fan and that with the Mack Launches is accurate. But Mack Rides is improving alot. There is an new Coaster Model coming to Europapark thats like a Big Dipper but with 4 Launches if we count the spike launch too. 8 Inversions and hella crazy elements. Also Ride to Happiness has an great launch too. And with one thing i have to disagree with you. Coasters here in Europe are really good. Sure most coasters are not as thrilling as in the USA but we have great coasters with great theming. It is awesome to hear your opinion but i think the 2 things i agree with you is the price and the launches. But the other things i have to disagree.
I mean, idk what you’re talking about when you say that Cooperhead Strike is forceless. I will agree completely that the launch is forceless, but to say the rest of the ride is forceless is completely missing it. It pulls more negatives (less sustained however) than Fury, and it pulled higher positives (barely) than Fury as well. So to call it forceless is really just incorrect lol.
I have a question. Did your opinion change a bit? Because in the last three years coasters like Voltron Nevera, and Ride to happiness opened. their Launches get better, their coasters are still super reliable, while getting better and better. Voltron is more intense then every Intamin and RMC I've ridden. I think they just started as you said in 2009 with blue fire (maybe a little late) but their progress in the time span of 15 years is insane. I havent ridden ride to happiness but its also supposed to be super good. Also Hyperia looks really good. I think that Mack will be a big Part of the fututre of thrill coasters now.
First why do you care about price? Second they are an independent family owned company so of course it's going to be expensive. Third they have alot more standout coasters than what you said
Do you think 100km/h is slow? And the point of the Mack launches isn't force, it is to speed the train up. Some Mack coasters is ranked as some of the best in the world, like Helix.
I thought that copperhead was unnecessary expensive because of theming rather than coaster itself. Because theming is always jacking up the price absurdly high. Look closer than Verbolten, it's not Intamin, it's not even kind of thrill ride you expect (other than drop track part), yet BGW spend more than 25m for this.
Mack multi launches dont need a good launch, they're focused on inversions or airtime like helix. I've ridden copperhead and the launch is weak but I love the ride for what comes after it. The launches are just the thing to get the ride up to speed. And while mack isn't the best manufacturer ever, I still think they're good.
You ever thought about why Copperhead was so expensive. Maybe is because the track had to be fabricated in Germany before being shipped to the US. Also what Mack coasters have you ridden perchance?
Take icon. It has a launch of around 1.05g and Rita at Alton towers has a 1.1g launch. Mack coasters don’t have much jerk. Also when you talked about their worst x treme spinning coaster as more famous, you insulted European enthusiasts
0:44 Ride to Happiness, Toutatis, Taron, F.L.Y, Nemesis, The Smiler, De Shwur Des Karnan, Shambhala, Red Force, Wildfire, Untamed, Expedition GeForce, Zadra, Batman City Gotham Escape, Hyperion, Helix, Icon and so many more, joined the chat
they're launches get too much hate i've been on icon and the acceleration is actually pretty good and i've been on 2 hydraulic launch coasters being rita and stealth and stealth is the 3rd fastest acceleration for a launch also the more instense the launch the more energy used and i think that the higher acceleration will lead to more breakdowns due to the more sensors needed which can fault or cause and error, also the price is due to the track being manufactured in germany so it needs to be shipped to everywhere compared to B&M having it manufactured in the U.S also the layouts are really good plus the launch coasters are actually supposed to be less thrilling than a blitz so that it can be more encompassing to their audience also the park decides the layout and the speed and the acceleration so i disagree with your point but your opinion is your opinion
Well it’s not that any of them are bad. I just don’t think most European coasters look to be that outstanding. That’s not to say that coasters like zadra, untamed, GeForce, and wildfire all look amazing.
@@07coasters80 I could say the same shit about US coasters. I have not been there but I guess I can say it anyways. Most of the really good coasters in Europe are Standout coasters for the park they're in. Think Expedition Geforce, that park would be nothing without it. Same with Lech Coaster, literally nobody would know that the park existed without this coaster. Think Taron, Taron made US enthusiasts aware of Phantasialand. Think Energylandia, Abyssus, Zadra, Hyperion made this park explode in popularity.
Coaster Enthusiasts when a Mack has a weak launch 👁👁👁👁👁👁👁👁👁 Coaster Enthusiasts when that same ride has some of the strongest airtime and hangtime with tons of intensity (-|-) I sleep
They really don’t have a tonne of intensity, no one ever raves about a Mack rides coaster having many extreme forces at all and even if they did intamin would do something similar but with far more bite to it
This video aged very well now that we have Ride to Hapiness, Voltron and Hyperia. Also no way he said thet european roller coasters look bad, have you ever seen Zadra, RTH, Taiga, Untamed, Batman: Gotham City Escape, Toutatis, Voltron, Wildfire, Taron, Kondaa and Helix just to name a few?
0:45 bro American to American Europe have theme parks down to a T America is a pile of crap in comparison. They’ve actually figured out stats aren’t everything
Respect your opinion, but it is really coaster oriented (ofcourse haha). Mack made circus trailers for the first few hundred years they exist. They make a lot of flat rides and dark ride vehicles which are reliable and great, it is a really German company not that innovative but really decent. However looking at new ride systems of Mack are looking good.
That’s not really true. Their first coaster was built in 1979 and they started making quality coasters around 2007-2008. That’s only around 30 years, which is tiny compared to mack rides who took around 100 years
@@TwanTastic yes but I’m talking about the time between their first coaster and their first good coaster. For mack it’s around 100 years and for vekoma it’s around 30 years
@@07coasters80 what does it matter at all how long a company takes? They first watch how other manufacturers do it and then they try something themselves. And in my opinion it has been a legitimate success. The restraints of newer Intamin Blitz Coasters such as Taron and, somewhat more obvious to you, Pantheon, are inspired by the restraints of Blue-Fire.
I'm not a big Mack fan myself, but at the end of the day that's just personal taste. Mack Rides have established themselves as the go-to manufacturer for family thrill coasters and obviously there's a market for that. You may not like their rides, but that doesn't mean they're a bad company. Plus the intensity of launches IS affecting costs. More powerful launches require different electrical components or even energy storing devices. Not just that but a park might want to have a weak launch to attract a wider demographic. How on earth is Mack Rides a bad company for delivering exactly what a park wants to have?
I don’t necessarily agree with everything but the cost and launch part is understandable I think I’ve heard people say shipping costs is what makes them so expensive but still there’s a point where the cost imo isn’t justified And those Mack launched really aren’t too good imo I like a little force in my launches but that’s up to preference honestly I don’t hate Mack rides but they definitely do something’s that are pretty annoying
Ok maybe im a year late and maybe Mack Rides is my favourite manufacturer but i will stay objective. First, the launches, ok blue fire, copperhead strike, star trek are a bit weak but mack changed since, the ride to happiness launch looks way better and the new coaster in china that they build looks insane and intense. Second, the cost you said that mack is too expensive but you are taking exemples on launch coasters, adding a launch on a track is up the price by 30%(or a percentage like that) Also, take the exemple of piraten, a intamin megalite, my homepark Nigloland wanted basically the same but they asked Mack to reproduce it cause its less expensive and they wanted more confort on it and i quote "not those camping chairs"(translated from french) You were talking about Mack not having standouts rides and i will accord you this one. But look at those seats🤩 so comfortable.
I have to say they are very slow in evolving but everything they put out is excellent. I compared blue fire and taron round the time they first opend and did them again last year. And the intamin like all intamins I rode is getting rough and shakey and mack remains smooth as butter. B&M is better at the large scale coasters but they are way behind on launched coasters. So every company has something going for them.
Bro I cant belive you left out Cobra's Curse, thats one of MACK's BEST coasters, they made an elevated lift hill with spinning feature of its kind, the ride opened in 2016 few years after Falcon's Fury opened This MACK ride is at Busch Gardens Tampa FL
I respect your opinion, but using a point that you don’t like a manufacturer because it took them a while to build a major coaster is a bit harsh. Also their standouts are amazing rides. Ride to happiness and dc rivals are 2 of the best coasters on the planet. When project exodus opens at Thorpe park that will be great as well. Also European coasters don’t suck… like at all: ride to happiness, Kondaa, smiler, wildfire, Zadra, untamed, taron , taiga, toutatis nemesis, expedition gforce, and when it opens exodus.
Right this is late, but there's alot of contradictory points here, first who cares if they took over a hundred years to make a good ride, like why does that matter. Secondly also connecting to that, out of ther small 160 current coasters around 60 are 'thrilling' and there a 8 standouts in you opinion so 13% of there coasters are a 'standout'. And force wise DC Rivals pulls -2g, Ride to Happiness pull 4.5g. The launches are slow, but the design often relies on that, like copperhead strike with the hangtime filed loop.
I have Liseberg very clos to my home. The launches are not very good at all. What i have heard Mack Rides want the coaster to be more stable with few down time as possible. I have ride Helix many times but i like it alot. The seats are good with no over the sholders restrains. But i like it alot.
Also this is a design choice. It's not like they are to dumb to put more energy on those lsm blades. This ride goes for hangtime. To be fair, this video is three years old, i think with ride to happiness, voltron, hyperia, DC Rivals, lost gravity, icon, helix they build some great coasters.
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honestly, people need to stop hating on your opinion. everyone has different opinions on things. like personally, I haven't rode a mack coaster, but even if I did I wouldn't hate on your opinion.
like yes, I could disagree with some of these, but still, don't hate on him for an opinion, you seem stupid.
Lmao he's pinned this comment because it's the only positive one here 😂😂😂
@@randomuser238 and what’s the problem with that
@@adrenalinecentral5929 I never said something was wrong with it.
@@randomuser238 you’re laughing at him.. implying you think it’s stupid
right when you started talking about how European coasters looked bad I could feel the brain cells leave my body
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“I think most European coasters look really bad”
So did you just forget about Untamed,
Goliath,
Lost gravity,
Kondaa,
Psyké underground,
Fury,
Pulsar,
Joris en de draak,
Troy,
Taron ,
Taiga,
Junker,
Karacho,
Shambhala,
Stunt Fall,
Hals über Kopf,
Superman Madrid,
Icon,
Smiler,
Nemesis,
Helix,
Monster,
Monster,
Wodan,
Silver Star,
Thunderbird,
Kärnan,
Fluch Von Novgorod,
Big Thunder Mountain,
Alpina Blitz,
Storm,
Ispeed,
Nefeskesen,
Star trek,
Black Mamba,
Katun,
Speed Monster,
Stealth,
Saw,
Speed the ride,
Megafobia,
Mystic,
Oziris,
Fenix,
Raptor,
Oblivion Black hole,
baron,
Space Mountain Paris,
Rock'n'Roller Paris,
Colossos, balder,
Jetline,
Olympia Looping,
Lisebergbanan,
Wildfire,
Zadra,
Abyssus,
Hyperion,
Formula,
Abyssus,
Lech coaster,
Expedition GeForce,
Toutatis,
Cu Chulainn,
Furious Baco,
Flug der Dämonen,
Desert race,
Dynamite
El Toro
and more?
the Swarm?
sure, send more
@@Mooory HI MORITZ!
I’m all for this list but aren’t some of these NA
Some of them have shared names with a ride in NA. Raptor is a wing coaster in Italy and it’s also an invert at cedar point. Goliath is an intamin mega at walibi Holland and there’s other Goliaths in the states.
Tell me you never rode a Mack ride without telling me you’ve never rode a Mack ride
Strong Launch
Not sure how a company gaining success at a later time than other companies makes you hate them. That literally makes no sense
exactly
While I haven't ridden a Mack coaster yet, I can say for certain that I definitely disagree some of these points.
1. The company took too long to start building major coasters: I don't understand why that's a reason to hate a coaster manufacturer. I mean they're making major coasters, which is all I think should really matter. They've still been making coasters longer then RMC so . . .
2. They're forceless: While they're launches do look weak, Their coasters look to have great ejector airtime, laterals, positives, hangtime, and whip. I would like if the launches were a bit more forceful, but if the layouts are good I can deal with a weak launch.
3. They're too expensive: It doesn't cost you anything to build these rides, so I don't know why that's a reason for you to consider them bad. At least they're reliable, unlike any Intamin made before 2016, which should actually be more important to you, because that actually affects you.
4.They don't have alot of standout coasters: This isn't a reason to call a manufacturer bad imo. Mack rides makes lots of different types of coasters, and alot of them are oriented towards families, so of corse those won't be stand out attractions. However, just about every major thrill coaster they have made From 2014 onwards looks really good. Considering they've only been making major thrill coasters for 12 years at this point, they have a lot of standout coasters.
(Edit) I rode Copperhead Strike in August, and my second point absolutely stands. It's the second best ride in the park and in my top 10 overall.
For the Price Argument: The Guests will need - allways - to cover the costs. That's how a Buisnress works, and a Theme Park is one. However, an expansive Coaster might still be worth it. Because the Rides are pretty much the only Reason why they have paying Customers in the first Place. Sure, you'll usually pay for Entry, not for the Rides, so a broken down Roller Coaster doesn't accumulate direct losses. But the more "unrelyable" Rides you have in your Parks, the more Downtimes Customers will Experience and the worse that Experience will get. Which doesn't only affect the likeliness of your Customer returning and spending more Money - or not - Customers do Mouth Propaganda. If you had a fantastic Time, you may tell your Friends and Family, who may also visit. If you had a bad Time tough, you will most certainly tell your Friends and Family - who wouldn't wanna visit your Park after bad Reviews.
Also, having something that constantly breaks down is just a huge Pain in the Arse. Ask anyone who ever had the Pleasure of driving an old, inexpansive, fucked up Car. As long as it works, it's absolutely fine and doesn't realy do anything significantly worse then a Car worth 10 Times the Price. However, they are absolutely proned to Failure whenever it is the absolute worst Time to fail. Ask me how I know about that, lol.
I agree with all your points except what you said about Copperhead. No positive Gs on that one for me outside of the first loop. Was kinda boring but the hangtime was cool and it has great air. #5 in the park for me
@@huntzzio It was running really fast when I rode it, and it was more intense than expected. I will say that positives aren't as pronounced as the other forces, but they were still noticable when I rode. The airtime on the three hills and the Stengle dive that goes through the first loop was really good, and the second half had some pretty whippy transitions. The only dull moments were the launches. that's how it ran when I rode it.
@@TB_2006 all your agruments still stand till today. Mack are now building rides like exodus, voltron, Ride to happiness and more and there is no way you could call any of these forceless, atleast by looking at their povs so far/ ride experience. I completly stand by your opinion
Name a coaster Mack made with ejector other than DC rivals and ride to happiness
This is most American thoosie kid video ever
They may be expensive, but one of the main draws for a park to build a mack rides coaster is it's guaranteed ROI (Return on Investment). I have never seen a mack coaster not earn back the money that a park has spent on it which is probably why a park which has been slowly dying like Thorpe Park invested 18million into their latest hyper coaster because they will almost be guaranteed to get a good ROI.
I have ridden over 12 Mack Coasters, and almost every single one was really good. “I think most European coasters look really bad”, I think you´ve never heard of:
-Expedition Geforce
-Kärnan
-Zadra
-Lech Coaster
-Hyperion
-Colossos
-Flug der Dämonen
-iSpeed
-Helix
-Hals über Kopf
-Flucht von Novgorod
-El Toro
-Untamed
-Kondaa
-Wildfire
-Goliath
-Troy
-Fenix
-The Smiler
-Karacho
-Taron
-...
El Toro is an Intamin Prefab
Woodan
ride to happiness toutatis taiga nemesis black mamba fly shambala I could go on for ages
“ it’s forceless, slow and pretty small”
This guy really does not know what quality over quantity means
Lol true true
So being forceful is quantity, got it!
@@tylerkriesel8590?
@@orionscythe ?
Bro woke up and chose violence
Ok I grew up with Mack coasters at Europapark so I don't agree at all.
1. Not every Launch needs to be forceful. Yes sure Mack builds weak launches but remember not everyone likes forceful Launches
2. "Mack Rides is a slow Company"
so what? is it that bad that Mack took so long to make a BIG COASTER? It sounds like it's a bad thing that it took them so long.
3. Mack coasters may not be intense but remember: Some people don't like intense coasters. Mack literally serves the market for high thrilling but not overly intense rollercoasters.
4. Mack Rides has some of the highest quality rollercoasters, the quality of the ride makes the price fair.
Mack rides coasters are some of the most intense nowadays especially in terms of airtime. Helix, DC Rivals and reportedly Ride to Happiness all pull -1.5g or higher which is completely ridiculous, and stronger anything Intamin is doing nowadays.
@@lucacoasters8765rth pulls -1.9 if I remember correctly
I know im a bit late now but with their Stryker model (Ive ridden Voltron over 15 times now) they really "completed" their range of Coasters. Votron or strykers being the forcefull and intense coasters hes seeking, Hypercoasters like hyperia, spinning and extreme spinning coasters, launched coasters that are thrilling but still for families etc. I think Mack really is one of the best manufacturers now
I totally agree with your 3rd point !! I’m not the biggest fan of positive g’s and I prefer hang time, airtime and whip. Which is why I love icon so much.
Also, to add to your 2/4th point. Remember Vekoma guys. Look how long it took to get to making good high quality rides (no hate to Vekoma I love what they’re doing) and at least Macks older coasters were decent.
"most european coasters look pretty bad"
most coaster manufacturers are based in europe, the only big ones in the us being:
Arrow
Chance Rides
CCI
GCI
Gravity Group
PTC
Premier
RMC
RCCA
Skyline
E&F Miller
S&S
Wisdom Rides
European based manufacturers:
abc rides
art engineering
B&M
Gerstlauer
Giovanola
Intamin
(imaScore)
Interpark
KumbaK
Mack
Maurer
Pinfari
Preston & Berbieri
RCS (they install most coasters)
Reverchon
RES
SBF
Schwarzkopf
Sunkid
Technical Park
Vekoma
Zamperla
Zierer
Wigand
Mack rides have the best seats. I personaly love the company because off lost gravity in walibi Holland
So I'm not an engineer, but I think the slow launches help with the reliability.
Also better energy efficiency
"most European coasters look really bad"
-Expedition Geforce
-Kärnan
-Zadra
-Lech Coaster
-Hyperion
-Colossos
-Flug der Dämonen
-iSpeed
-Helix
-Hals über Kopf
-Flucht von Novgorod
-El Toro
-Untamed
-Kondaa
-Wildfire
-Goliath
-Troy
-Fenix
-The Smiler
Where are Helix and Wildfire tho?
@@TwanTastic Helix is at Liseberg in Sweden
@@TwanTastic Wildfire I think is either in Sweden, Finland, or germany
@@mocha_. it's the rmc in Sweden...
@@TwanTastic Yes, thanks
Which continent do most of the good coaster manufacturers come from?
Europe
Okay.... Every launch doesn’t need to be forceful. I think you can see Mack’s launches like a drop on a B&M. It is not that forceful but gets the ride started. So in Mack’s launches as a way to get up to speed and not an element. Then I don’t think the rest of the layout is force less
That they don’t have many elite coaster is because they have only been making thrill coaster since 2008. You said that they have 8 elite coaster and I thinks that is pretty many. Especially when they’re elite coaster are like 4-5 different models. So they know how to design good models and you hate B&M more because how many new models have they made since 2008. I can give the answers, like 1-2.
Then the price of a ride shouldn’t make you start to hate a manufacturer. If it’s like that I only like kiddie coaster. Because they are cheap.
You have also 1-3 Mack coaster and you say that you don’t like them. If think your opinion is going to change if you ride helix. But your not going to Europe because you think they are not that many good roller coaster. Your opinion is going to change if you go to Europe.
Copperhead Strike is one of the Best Coasters in the Cedar Fair chain. The JoJo Roll in the beginning before the launch tunnel is special. Every launch doesn't need to be like Kingda Ka to make a coaster a thriller and Copperhead Strike most definitely dances with zombies, wears a red V jacket and glitter socks.
Find another coaster to demonstrate Mack's flaws because Copperhead rocks.
Completely disagree I'm afraid. Just because it took them until 2009 to build modern day thrill-coasters, does not mean their other rides are bad, they were incredibly successful as seen by the number of rides/models they've produced world-wide, as u mention towards the end.
Though it comes close, Mack is perhaps my favourite manufacturer, mainly for the unparalled quality of their modern rides. The seats, for example, are exceptional! :)
As someone who’s ridden copperhead strike. I think Mack launch coasters are pretty much carried by their elements. But the only way they are executed the way they are is through force less launches. If that makes any sense
150 years ago there were 0 roller coasters on earth. You'd blame that on Mach rides too, am I correct?
Apparently, the ride to happiness kicks a ton of ass when it comes to it’s launch, so they can make intense launches, parks just don’t want them to.
and it spins whilst launching. Ride to happiness just shits all over this guys opinion
I know I’m late but just in case you didn’t know the reason why copperhead costed more than fury was because Mack had to ship the track all the way from Germany. Because of the distance, it makes the shipment expensive. B&M has a plant in the U.S. so that helps cut the price for the track shipment down I guess. Plus copperhead has a lot more theming than fury. This is what I heard for why copperhead is the more expensive ride.
Roland Mack doesn't like this
I wasn't expecting anything from copperhead strike from all I herd about macks being forceless. I was shocked to find out its was crazy forceful and felt rmc like and kicked mavericks ass and was far in away better than intimidator and afterburn maybe I caught on a good day but I rode it countless times last week and every ride blew me away.
I have thought about buying a mack roller coaster but I finally opted for a new sofa. Anayway my garden would have been a little bit too small for the coaster and the sofa turned out to be very reliable too.
100% up time and very comfortable restraints
4:03 he sounds like he’s trying to think of a comeback in an argument he’s loosing
I was literally reading a script
@@07coasters80 It's called a compact coaster like Balder at Liseberg. An Intamin prefab
@@sigmundjavenesflaa3452 what does that have to do with Mack rides
@@07coasters80 You said Copperhead Strike was small scale. It is a compact rollercoaster.
@@sigmundjavenesflaa3452 yeah it’s compact, but it’s small scale in comparison to the other coasters at carowinds and also in comparison to larger mack coasters like the hyper coasters and helix
Ok i gave u dislike for that one coment abt European coasters
Yeah it was so random and weird
@@villek3722 exactly
@@puwcyk and Mack rides if fire
Ha now we’ve got ride to happiness hyperia and Voltron what do you think about them now
I mean honestly copperhead ranks just behind orion for me and is an excellent ride. I love the ejector plus the comfortable restraints. The inversions are also nice and I’m a sucker for hangtime so it just paired perfectly. I think a lot of your points are kinda nit-picky if I’m being honest. Like how they just started building bigger coasters and how that’s a problem and the whole price tag thing. Like of course we wish they made bigger coasters earlier and maybe a bit cheaper but maybe consider separating what’s out of your own control on facts forming your opinion, from your raw opinion of how a ride truly is. Just out of curiosity what Mack rides coasters have you ridden?
Copperhead is right behind fury for me at carowinds
he's probably ridden a wild mouse and maybe a mine train
Mack literally build more elite coasters from 2013 till now then Intamin HAHAHAHA
Mack are slowly getting better and more extreme. According to some Insiders i spoke to, the younger generation inside the company is slowly but surely getting a louder voice in the design process. Just look at the massive new launch coaster in China or the new Hyper at Thorpe Park (which many speculate to be a Mack).
Ride to happiness aswell is apparently amazing
Ride to happiness is insane, voltron is really really great and Hyperia is also amazing!
this is a good video with some thought into it and I respect your stance on Mack but in My opinion it is one of the better manufacturers because of its reliability and comfortable yet forceful layouts like BlueFire which I rode 3 times. I think Mack also has recently started to make their rides cheaper and most buyers want what Mack can make. I respect them the most for how they are trying to get in different markets like wild mouse and how they can create new ones with the extreme spinner. All in all that is my opinion and I respect yours and good on you for talkin about your opinion.
This video got outdated very fast
The ride to happiness,
Beyond the clouds, Hyperia,
Starfall racers
Voltron
European Coasters Are Just As Good As U.S Coasters! 😤
In europe coasters have a theme in US not lol. But if they say European coasters are less good that's not true at all. We have Taron, F.L.Y, the ride to happiness, untamed. They're maybe not as high as in usa but that doesn't mean they're less good
@@mtdemon9946 Yea
Better imo. Neither ridden either however us coasters have no theming apart from like Velocicoaster and Hagrids. For me theming is one of if not the most important part of a coaster but that’s my opinion.
@@deejasart7766 indeed the theming of taron for example is amazing
@@deejasart7766 I honestly don't think too highly of European coasters. It is kind of unfair for me to say that since I haven't been to Europe, but coasters in the USA set the standards and constantly one up each other. For example, in the UK, it is a consistent consensus that Nemesis is considered their best coaster. While i have no issue with that, I can tell you Montu, Alpengiest, and Raptor are all better. Theming does add a nice atmosphere for any ride, but it definitely doesn't make or break a coaster. I feel sometimes extra theming is given to certain rides to make up for what would be a lack luster coaster. I would rather have the money go towards ride layout than theming. Look at Taron. One of the best themed coasters, but Maverick, Velocicoaster, and now even Pantheon crap all over Taron. The Theming makes it seem like it is a better ride than what it is. I like theming, but just a nice setting, decent queue line and station is all you need. Mako at Sea World Orlando is perfect example. Awesome queue line and station and the coaster is along the lake. Perfect!
0:39 great, now do a video ranting about 1362 coasters you've never ridden lol
I said they looked bad not that they are bad.
I mean why do they "look" bad? Not every coaster needs to be a hyper to be good, and I would argue a lot of European coasters look just as good as their American counterparts, if not better
What are your thoughts in hyperia now that’s open? I mean it’s short, but definitely not forceless
If it's cheap to invest in a fast launch: build it yourself. I'm sure all the parks are scared of your coaster launch "genius"
You shoukd have done more research before posting this...Mack has just recently started to manufacter thrill coasters so obviously they dont have too many standout ones.
yes but according to him they are "too slow" and that is why Mack Rides is bad
@@randomuser238 they were still in the industry about 100 years before they made their first big coaster
He literally said that in the video??
@@adrenalinecentral5929 that doesnt make any sense then. If he knows why Mack doesnt have many world class coasters then why does he hate them for it?
@@villek3722 because they have some good roller coasters and all the others are kind of bad. Why are you so pressed over this
Let me know WHEN you manufacture your 1st roller coaster for Cedar Point.
You haven’t ridden a Mack hyper
What’s your opinion on Thunder Run at Canada’s Wonderland? It’s a MACK rides Powered coaster
oh boi, how do i get started on this comment, i want to be respectful of a friends comment section so here we go... I not only disagree, but i find copperhead to be elite, yes elite, i know this is shocking news for an 07 coasters fan but guess what, 2 things, ejector and hangtime. The launches are forceless of course, they are supposed to gain speed not be main elements like other manufacturers, mack is the most underrated manufacturer ive seen, well other than those damn wild mice and journey to Atlantis in san antonio, yeah they are trash, but the Mack thrill coasters are almost all on my bucket list. So i must say that im proud of myself for not losing it, those damn anger management classes at cedar point might be helping.... it sure as hell is not the ones at six flags lmao
Anger management at cedar point?
@@07coasters80 the joke was better in my head
@@coasterland325 oh I get it lol. Bc riding roller coasters is like anger management
@@07coasters80 yes
Copperhead Strike is not "elite". It's fun, but underwhelming.
Helix launches are not launches, they are boosters for remaining the spped of the train
Hate is a strong word.
Someone's got 13 year old thoosie brainrot
*says he doesn’t like European coasters*
*me realising Taron is European*
“You what now?”
launching this slow into a loop looks kinda fun tho. it's different. and different makes rides stand out...
ICON at Blackpool Pleasure Beach is a fantastic ride. I've never ridden a Mack coaster and thought it was bad. Eurosat Can Can Coaster might be the best indoor coaster in the world it's so so good.
Ride to happiness that’s all bye
So i am a Mack fan and that with the Mack Launches is accurate. But Mack Rides is improving alot. There is an new Coaster Model coming to Europapark thats like a Big Dipper but with 4 Launches if we count the spike launch too. 8 Inversions and hella crazy elements. Also Ride to Happiness has an great launch too. And with one thing i have to disagree with you. Coasters here in Europe are really good. Sure most coasters are not as thrilling as in the USA but we have great coasters with great theming. It is awesome to hear your opinion but i think the 2 things i agree with you is the price and the launches. But the other things i have to disagree.
yea voltron looks peak
If sarcasm is what you're attempting to do here: you failed; just look at the like dislike ratio.
I mean, idk what you’re talking about when you say that Cooperhead Strike is forceless. I will agree completely that the launch is forceless, but to say the rest of the ride is forceless is completely missing it. It pulls more negatives (less sustained however) than Fury, and it pulled higher positives (barely) than Fury as well. So to call it forceless is really just incorrect lol.
So if RMC existed 200 Years before they made a big coaster they would be a bad manufacturer?
It fell off when the intern left
I have a question. Did your opinion change a bit? Because in the last three years coasters like Voltron Nevera, and Ride to happiness opened. their Launches get better, their coasters are still super reliable, while getting better and better. Voltron is more intense then every Intamin and RMC I've ridden. I think they just started as you said in 2009 with blue fire (maybe a little late) but their progress in the time span of 15 years is insane. I havent ridden ride to happiness but its also supposed to be super good. Also Hyperia looks really good. I think that Mack will be a big Part of the fututre of thrill coasters now.
First why do you care about price? Second they are an independent family owned company so of course it's going to be expensive. Third they have alot more standout coasters than what you said
Do you think 100km/h is slow?
And the point of the Mack launches isn't force, it is to speed the train up.
Some Mack coasters is ranked as some of the best in the world, like Helix.
I thought that copperhead was unnecessary expensive because of theming rather than coaster itself. Because theming is always jacking up the price absurdly high.
Look closer than Verbolten, it's not Intamin, it's not even kind of thrill ride you expect (other than drop track part), yet BGW spend more than 25m for this.
Because bgw built a very advanced system inside that massive building of expensive things
Mack multi launches dont need a good launch, they're focused on inversions or airtime like helix. I've ridden copperhead and the launch is weak but I love the ride for what comes after it. The launches are just the thing to get the ride up to speed. And while mack isn't the best manufacturer ever, I still think they're good.
You ever thought about why Copperhead was so expensive. Maybe is because the track had to be fabricated in Germany before being shipped to the US. Also what Mack coasters have you ridden perchance?
Also Mack is family owned so it costs more
A lot of companies have to fabricate track in europe and ship it to America like intamin, and most of their coasters aren’t as expensive as mack.
@@07coasters80 bruh you didn't answer the guys second question
@@07coasters80 intamin's are known for how expensive they are though + Mack rides are rll reliable which is not something you can say abt Intamin
@@randomuser238 Maybe because he didn't even ride one. It's the same thing with "European Coasters are bad". I would guess, he never rode one.
U compare a launch coaster with a hyper coaster. And i see no reasons how u can hate a coaster like the ride to happiness
the purpose of a launch isn’t to make it forceful.
It depends. I mean taron would suck without the forcefull launch
@@aswisshuman637 yea but family coasters w/ a launch aren’t going to be forceful.
Mack Rides is amazing, and what’s wrong with European coasters?
"most european coasters Look really Bad"
uhhhhhhhhhhhhh
alright
Take icon. It has a launch of around 1.05g and Rita at Alton towers has a 1.1g launch. Mack coasters don’t have much jerk. Also when you talked about their worst x treme spinning coaster as more famous, you insulted European enthusiasts
0:44 Ride to Happiness, Toutatis, Taron, F.L.Y, Nemesis, The Smiler, De Shwur Des Karnan, Shambhala, Red Force, Wildfire, Untamed, Expedition GeForce, Zadra, Batman City Gotham Escape, Hyperion, Helix, Icon and so many more, joined the chat
And can't forget the addition of Hyperia and Voltron soon 🎉
they're launches get too much hate i've been on icon and the acceleration is actually pretty good and i've been on 2 hydraulic launch coasters being rita and stealth and stealth is the 3rd fastest acceleration for a launch also the more instense the launch the more energy used and i think that the higher acceleration will lead to more breakdowns due to the more sensors needed which can fault or cause and error, also the price is due to the track being manufactured in germany so it needs to be shipped to everywhere compared to B&M having it manufactured in the U.S also the layouts are really good plus the launch coasters are actually supposed to be less thrilling than a blitz so that it can be more encompassing to their audience also the park decides the layout and the speed and the acceleration so i disagree with your point but your opinion is your opinion
Check out the Mack coaster going in Suzhou china. That looks unfreakingbelievable
Why are European coasters bad if you don’t mind explaining?
Well it’s not that any of them are bad. I just don’t think most European coasters look to be that outstanding. That’s not to say that coasters like zadra, untamed, GeForce, and wildfire all look amazing.
@@07coasters80 I could say the same shit about US coasters. I have not been there but I guess I can say it anyways.
Most of the really good coasters in Europe are Standout coasters for the park they're in.
Think Expedition Geforce, that park would be nothing without it. Same with Lech Coaster, literally nobody would know that the park existed without this coaster.
Think Taron, Taron made US enthusiasts aware of Phantasialand.
Think Energylandia, Abyssus, Zadra, Hyperion made this park explode in popularity.
@@AnotherSwissRUclipsUser as least in Europe the rides look nice rather than just being stuck on tarmac (Six Flags) I mean Europa Park is amazing.
mack saw this video, panicked, made voltron
Coaster Enthusiasts when a Mack has a weak launch
👁👁👁👁👁👁👁👁👁
Coaster Enthusiasts when that same ride has some of the strongest airtime and hangtime with tons of intensity
(-|-) I sleep
They really don’t have a tonne of intensity, no one ever raves about a Mack rides coaster having many extreme forces at all and even if they did intamin would do something similar but with far more bite to it
@@wfcmarl6066 Mack is so underrated y’all only hate on it because Coaster Studios hates it
@@birdwholikesmovies bruh didn’t even know CS hated Mack
This video aged very well now that we have Ride to Hapiness, Voltron and Hyperia. Also no way he said thet european roller coasters look bad, have you ever seen Zadra, RTH, Taiga, Untamed, Batman: Gotham City Escape, Toutatis, Voltron, Wildfire, Taron, Kondaa and Helix just to name a few?
Just wait til you ride DC Rivals. The forces on that ride are insane!!
no
I’ve never ridden a B&M... so am eligible to make a video saying all B&M coasters are bad?
If you think most of their coasters don’t look good then yes.
@@07coasters80 Then you're wrong.
@@DM-jb8fs ^^
1:47 bro the first rollercoasters were in the 1900s so it wasn’t 200 years 😂
I love Helix and I still completely accept your opinion and I agree with the points.
Bro is not really intelligent
This video came out 1 month before RTH opened. Lol.
0:45 bro American to American Europe have theme parks down to a T America is a pile of crap in comparison. They’ve actually figured out stats aren’t everything
0:44 this is a joke right?
Angry Tesla Coil Noises ⚡️⚡️⚡️
Respect your opinion, but it is really coaster oriented (ofcourse haha). Mack made circus trailers for the first few hundred years they exist. They make a lot of flat rides and dark ride vehicles which are reliable and great, it is a really German company not that innovative but really decent. However looking at new ride systems of Mack are looking good.
Vekoma also took more than 50 years to build real quality coasters
That’s not really true. Their first coaster was built in 1979 and they started making quality coasters around 2007-2008. That’s only around 30 years, which is tiny compared to mack rides who took around 100 years
@@07coasters80 No, Vekoma exists much longer than 1979. They didn't start building coasters when the company started, exact the same with mack.
@@TwanTastic yes but I’m talking about the time between their first coaster and their first good coaster. For mack it’s around 100 years and for vekoma it’s around 30 years
@@07coasters80 what does it matter at all how long a company takes? They first watch how other manufacturers do it and then they try something themselves. And in my opinion it has been a legitimate success. The restraints of newer Intamin Blitz Coasters such as Taron and, somewhat more obvious to you, Pantheon, are inspired by the restraints of Blue-Fire.
I say: Mack is more for Familys and Intamin/other companys are more for Thrillseekers
As soon as I saw all the dislikes I knew this video was gonna be Juicy lollll
I'm not a big Mack fan myself, but at the end of the day that's just personal taste. Mack Rides have established themselves as the go-to manufacturer for family thrill coasters and obviously there's a market for that. You may not like their rides, but that doesn't mean they're a bad company. Plus the intensity of launches IS affecting costs. More powerful launches require different electrical components or even energy storing devices. Not just that but a park might want to have a weak launch to attract a wider demographic. How on earth is Mack Rides a bad company for delivering exactly what a park wants to have?
I don’t necessarily agree with everything but the cost and launch part is understandable
I think I’ve heard people say shipping costs is what makes them so expensive but still there’s a point where the cost imo isn’t justified
And those Mack launched really aren’t too good imo
I like a little force in my launches but that’s up to preference honestly
I don’t hate Mack rides but they definitely do something’s that are pretty annoying
Ok maybe im a year late and maybe Mack Rides is my favourite manufacturer but i will stay objective.
First, the launches, ok blue fire, copperhead strike, star trek are a bit weak but mack changed since, the ride to happiness launch looks way better and the new coaster in china that they build looks insane and intense.
Second, the cost you said that mack is too expensive but you are taking exemples on launch coasters, adding a launch on a track is up the price by 30%(or a percentage like that)
Also, take the exemple of piraten, a intamin megalite, my homepark Nigloland wanted basically the same but they asked Mack to reproduce it cause its less expensive and they wanted more confort on it and i quote "not those camping chairs"(translated from french)
You were talking about Mack not having standouts rides and i will accord you this one.
But look at those seats🤩 so comfortable.
I respect ur opinion, no hate btw
I have to say they are very slow in evolving but everything they put out is excellent. I compared blue fire and taron round the time they first opend and did them again last year. And the intamin like all intamins I rode is getting rough and shakey and mack remains smooth as butter. B&M is better at the large scale coasters but they are way behind on launched coasters. So every company has something going for them.
Bro I cant belive you left out Cobra's Curse, thats one of MACK's BEST coasters, they made an elevated lift hill with spinning feature of its kind, the ride opened in 2016 few years after Falcon's Fury opened
This MACK ride is at Busch Gardens Tampa FL
I respect your opinion, but using a point that you don’t like a manufacturer because it took them a while to build a major coaster is a bit harsh. Also their standouts are amazing rides. Ride to happiness and dc rivals are 2 of the best coasters on the planet. When project exodus opens at Thorpe park that will be great as well. Also European coasters don’t suck… like at all: ride to happiness,
Kondaa, smiler, wildfire, Zadra, untamed, taron , taiga, toutatis nemesis, expedition gforce, and when it opens exodus.
Right this is late, but there's alot of contradictory points here, first who cares if they took over a hundred years to make a good ride, like why does that matter. Secondly also connecting to that, out of ther small 160 current coasters around 60 are 'thrilling' and there a 8 standouts in you opinion so 13% of there coasters are a 'standout'. And force wise DC Rivals pulls -2g, Ride to Happiness pull 4.5g. The launches are slow, but the design often relies on that, like copperhead strike with the hangtime filed loop.
I have Liseberg very clos to my home. The launches are not very good at all. What i have heard Mack Rides want the coaster to be more stable with few down time as possible. I have ride Helix many times but i like it alot. The seats are good with no over the sholders restrains. But i like it alot.
completely disagree, icon is one of the best coasters in the uk!!!
Totally agree.
My best rollercoaster is a mack rides rollercoaster with hyperia
You didn’t show a shuttle lounch to say mack is bad at lounches
Also this is a design choice. It's not like they are to dumb to put more energy on those lsm blades. This ride goes for hangtime. To be fair, this video is three years old, i think with ride to happiness, voltron, hyperia, DC Rivals, lost gravity, icon, helix they build some great coasters.
@@patrickmuhlbeyer9262 true