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This and That: Korean Skating Scandal, Madison Chock and Evan Bates Married, Miki Ando & USFS Music
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
- This week, Korean Figure Skating Federation announced that three of its top skaters are facing a reprimand and two are facing suspensions after an incident at a training camp in Italy. Miki Ando is involved in a scandal of her own after she was spotted holding hands with her sixteen-year-old student. We discuss how different the response has been compared to recent situations in the United States and Canada. Meanwhile, Madison Chock and Evan Bates were married in Hawaii, Mirai Nagasu announced she had a son and has been engaged for a year, and U.S. Figure Skating caused chaos by announcing a new music policy without a providing a sufficient FAQ. The Olympic Trials for gymnastics are this week and we discuss our excitement for the event. TSL Live legend Nolan Carney joins me to break it all down on the latest edition of 'This and That'.
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Madison Chock's snake dress should become a museum exhibit and tour the world.
Deanna needs to hire Dave to be her social media manager.
Glad the show is back! But I miss Jonathan 😢
He will be back as a guest host.
Loved having Nolan on This and That! Hope to see him again! 😊
Definitely!!
Really enjoyed this! Especially the Kostornaia chat. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for the show! Now I am just yearning for a Deanna and Co documentary by Netflix!
If Korea didn't have 10 girls who could place at world's and the Olympics I don't think they'd be as forthcoming.
You make a good point. I also question what we have seen previously with the Korean fed overworking their skaters to the point where many of them across a number of recent seasons appeared burnt out toward season's end, often skating with a seeming lack of enthusiasm and enjoyment. The sport, in general, needs to address adult abuses against athletes! And offer workshops, counseling, and awareness training across-the-board for young athletes who are growing up at an impressionable time in a very difficult, unforgiving sport.
too many details are missing with the sexual molestation allegation against Haein. In one extreme, it could have been a consensual kiss between a just-turned-19 and a just-under-16 who are dating. In another extreme, it could’ve been unconsensual molestation. We don’t even know whether the allegation came from the victim or whether it was determined statutory by the federation/media.
Still why are you dating a 16 year old when your 19
@@nl887 What's wrong with that if you're in Japan and 16 is legal? I don't think that's weird at all. Is it unacceptable or weird to you because it's the girl who's 19?
Is there a timestamp for this? I can’t find where they talk about this specifically.
@@trylogic4084 they arnt in Japan they are in Korea, she was allegedly dating a 13 year old when she was 17
I really do think all this was a huge misinterpretation and that Haein and the boy are, like she has stated, in a relationship of sorts.
No I don’t think a 3 year age difference is the worst thing in the world as long as they are of a similar maturity level.
Was happy to hear your perspective on these offseason events. I enjoyed Nolan but I also miss Jonathan. I hope he’s doing well.
Very interesting discussion regarding the marketability of gymnastics versus FS. I disagree that people can't connect with gymnasts because they are robotic. I think that competing 4 events allows viewers to connect and gymnastics is a very popular sport for summer Olympics despite the fact that it is dissimilar to ballet or figure skating. My God, track & field and swimming are the two other most widely watched summer Olympic sports and they have no choreography at all! There is also the fact that women's American gymnasts have won gold in the most prestigious event, the All-around every year since 2004 and have at least medalled in the team event since 2008. Also you see Simone or whoever are the top 2 American gymnasts in the qualifications, team, all-around and multiple individual events within each international competition so you are seeing them more frequently and getting to know them. However, I do like FS as a new viewer and am most interested in ice dance. Personally I feel Chock and Bates are the most marketable individuals American FS has now that Nathan Chen is gone. You really need more gold medals in American FS to make the sport more marketable, I think. Also a sport needs to have top athletes with longevity. It really doesn't work to come in with a new top athlete every 4 years when your country isn't winning gold consistently. It really only works if the public knows that the new athlete will likely be winning gold as well otherwise athletes should last at least 8 years. Gymnastics is improving with the college ladies coming back to elite so the gymnasts are lasting longer and building their brands through NIL while doing NCAA, getting these viral videos. Im glad to see more women in women's gymnastics, as a former gymnast now Physical Therapist myself. Some of the body mechanics have changed for the better to preserve backs and ankles. I hope the same for FS in the future.
Seeing Nolan from TSL Live on public TSL feels like a marvel universe crossover (even though this is all under the TSL umbrella). Love it! ❤
Where is Jonathan?
He has been traveling.
@@TheSkatingLesson How dare he 💁
Another tennis fan! Yay!! We do also miss Jonathan - hope he reads this !
Didn't Polina just get engaged?
@@joanfoley6148 AFAIK Polina has been engaged for several months or more. Her boyfriend popped the question in romantic Bali! 💍 🔔 💘
I always thought it would be an amazing to watch “vintage” programs reconceptualized with new skating rules. Are they licensed/purchased by the original skater?
If Ilia had a real agent, with experience and a track record, he WOULD be everywhere! He's got that kind of look teen girls love - but they don't know he exists! Get Simone's agent or Michael Phelps'. Get a real top player, not a wannabe who is a friend of your parents! 🤷♀️
I agree, he has that kind of... delicate Eastern European anime face, for lack of better wording. With better PR he would be all over tiktok and instagram.
@@hannibaljustincase9985the cockiness is off-putting though. Comes across as poor sportsmanship
@@Jeremy-wp4yh You think teen girls are put off by "cockiness"?!? Have you known ANY teenage girls in your life? I disagree that Ilia is cocky, anyway. When he first burst on the scene he gave a few ungraceful interviews, but he's obviously learned from his mistakes and always speaks highly of his competitors. I've heard plenty of people that know him, comment on how down-to-earth he is, and just a genuinely nice young man.
@@christinethorp3684 I only know what he puts out on social media, which doesn't look good.
@christinethorp3684 Exactly! Thank you! Plus, I see nothing at all wrong with a figure skater being fully confident in their abilities and having great ambition to succeed! I love how Ilia's parents guide him with love and caring equanimity, and not with pushy expectations. It was recently revealed at Vanessa James' wedding shower that Ilia's parents were her first coaches, when her family lived in the D.C. area many years ago!
So great to see Nolan on here. What a wonderful surprise. These guests are always a delight.
Market adult and pro skaters. It would be an adjustment but all would be better for it. For a lot of reasons that include age ethics and relatability, but also because the kind of storylines I come to expect from podium/elite figure skating are the same ones highlighting the same types of scandals again and again, which appeals puts off the general viewer off the sport eventually.
Broadly speaking, seeing only those with world championship titles as having stories worth telling is not going to win people over - there is no hero's journey in getting the story when the hero already won. Plus people these days are too discerning not to see through fluff pieces in media. People want something that is real, and unfortunately one way or another people who learn more eventually discover the exploited flaws and issues behind the curtain, so if you set up people having idealised expectations of skaters and skating then you also set up for anger, disappointment, social cancellation, losing those viewers after a few years.
Tldr; I am burnt out from watching young and still maturing skaters under enormous pressure as is to be perfect, and still being expected to go out and be performative for the media to keep the sport alive. We really don't have to copy Hollywood's treatment of child stars to save the sport.
Nolan was delightful! Thanks for the episode 💖
Glad you enjoyed it!
Are there any timestamps for the various topics?
I wish! That might have made it tolerable.
Happy to see Nolan here!
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Nice to see Nolan outside of the Lives - he has a lot to say. I agree heartily with his vision for Paulina - I love seeing her little drills etc but she could be so much more generous with her expertise and instruction. And I love Dave’s idea for the panel discussion. Off season is tough- thankful for TSL.
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I have no idea who this guy is but I LIKE HIM! He's great. Have him on again! Also - I hope Jonathan is alright. I miss him!
I find Jonathan's vibe is socratic professor (in a good way) where he asks some compelling questions about why things are the way they are. Nolan really brings a similar level of healthy cynicism and snark to the proceedings. What Dave and This and That brings to the table is the analysis of the sausage making or lack thereof. He has been instrumental in my analysis of figure skating and gymnastics as sports and how they are promoted and packaged.
@emallace447: Agree! I like this guest, hope to see him again. But I also miss Jonathan...
I think skaters on Polina’s podcast end up having to perform healing. Fairly consistently the skaters will say on the podcast - I’ve figured out how to be a competitor and then they will have a dreadful season. I know you don’t want to tear people down but I almost feel like the false positivity is not doing anyone any favors.
JSF held a board meeting yesterday and announced the schedule for the domestic competitions for the upcoming season. Surprise factor was the Japan Open on Oct5 (venue tbd) - an obvious attempt imo to boost 💰🎫 sales, having the pro skaters in the roster. The Nationals is Dec19-22.
Another notable event, the rink where they usually hold Tokyo Regionals (Sep 20-23) is undergoing renovation so it will be held in a different venue in Funabashi (where Rinka, Rio Nakata, Yuna Aoki are based) but the place has no seats so it will be a live stream only without spectators.
We NEED a documentary about skating. You guys are right, there are so many incredible stories to be told in skating right now. Deanna & Max, Chock & Bates, Ilia, Amber, the list goes on!
Olivia Smart NEEDS to team up with Jean-Luc Baker and represent GB. She's from Sheffield, I believe he was born in Barnsley. GB I think can have 3 teams right now. It'll really bring gravitas to British Ice Skating Ice Dance, Bekker and Hernandez are good for the future too.
I think Jean-Luc is too short for Olivia. I'm probably in the minority, but I like Olivia and Tim. I think they're well-matched physically, and they seem to have a good rapport with each other.
Yey Nolan!! So fun!!
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You really need to educate yourself on what is involved with putting on a competition and the contracts the LOC’s have to negotiate with all parties involved. It is very ignorant for you to disparage the removal of illegally posted videos of a competition by saying it’s “free publicity”. The LOC’s have to follow the rules of their contracts and need to make money in order to continue hosting competitions. There is so much that happens behind the scenes of a competition and in particular an international one. There’s sometimes more important things than click counts and likes when it comes to organizing a competition.
what a surprise to see Nolan on here!! So great! Thanks for a great episode
Glad you enjoyed it!
I would 100% watch a Deanna reality show. Or something focused on all Canadian pairs and Americans who train there now that we have Balazs and Audrey there.
Either way, if Deanna did a Patreon that was about skincare with some skating gossip thrown in I would PAY for that
KMT got Meagan sidelined as a coach?? What have I missed? 😂👀
Yeah, please tell us more. Because if that's true, I've lost all respect for KMT (what business is it of hers) and secondly, WTH would she have that much power in Canada? 🤷♀️
Can someone who knows gymnastics explain to me why the seasons essentially consists of four national level events in the span of three months and US gymnasts avoiding the World Cup series as if it were toxic sludge. I compare this to the Meagan approach which is to compete internationally as much as you can and see how you stack up.
I think they have more competition s than that generally. And they probably don’t do the World Cup because they’re so deep and dominant it doesn’t matter. Plus, as you can see by what’s recently happened to Skye Blakeley and Konnor McClain, there’s such a risk of injury (the podiums they compete on are much harsher than what they have at their gyms). Although I think US gymnasts did compete in such events more frequently ahead of the last Olympics when they could qualify for individual spots.
Also - most of the U.S. gymnasts compete in college and aim to peak at the end of the year. The World Cups don't typically benefit the U.S. much based on the training schedule of the national team. In the past, there was a desire to have a first peak in March-April, come down and then upgrade routines for the summer. It was designed to achieve maximum performance for a World Championships or Olympic Games. The internal competitions were typically harder than any event on the World Cup circuit. After COVID and post Nassar, the federation faced financial hardships and didn't send the gymnasts our because there wasn't any money.
This year, USAG did send the team to a few meets (Pac Rim, Gymnix, etc), but it was largely the B or C-list gymnasts because most of the A-list contenders were in college, injured, recovering or waiting to peak this summer.
Plus, it's a guarantee that the US is going to qualify a team for every Olympics. For some other athletes from smaller countries, they are attending World Cup events to either qualify via that route or demonstrate to their federation that they are competitive internationally.
Yay! Someone that serves the tea 🍵 and also knows the 90's and early 2000's lore. Hoping to see Nolan again.
I admit that was refreshing.
all time run of amazing guests!
Athlete A is haein lee it’s been confirmed and her interview was very disgusting
What did she say?
There was an interview?
@@joeyartk She says when she first had relationship with him she was underage too.(she was 17 and he was 13)
She said they were in a relationship admitted to drinking and regretted it then said she worries more about the olympics than the minor she sexually assaulted when dating allegedly he was 13 when she 17
@nl887 17 and 13 means they were both minors.
It could be like the "Real Housewives" franchise: The Real Skaters of the ISU."
The ISU and USSU need to take a book from gymnastics and show skating on RUclips. US Gymnastics shows all the competitions on their channel. The BBC shows World Championships on RUclips as well. I do plan to get Peacock for a month in order to watch Gymnastics in Paris.
Scott Bregman did a great job of expanding video access when he was at USAG.
I miss the era of Shcherbakova, Kostornaia and Trusova. I love watching their performances and competitions ❤
It's nice having them in competition, but I couldn't stand the judges ignoring their flaws. Made me feel bad for the other skaters that genuinely tried.
For sure, individually, these young ladies were all very talented, but I have huge reservations about Eteri's 'factory-line' approach to churning young automaton quadsters who tended to get thrown on the scrap heap very quickly, or developed serious injuries due to poor technical training methods. Not to mention, the tendency to starve themselves, coupled with the continually denied alleged doping practices utilized for endurance and quick recovery in consistently performing and training quads. I'd love to have seen the talent of these young ladies blossom without the harsh training methods, starvation diets, and bts interference of Dr. X. 🤨 I lost interest in ladies skating during Eteri's factory-led approach to molding quadsters. The other part of my waning interest was the boring sameness of many ladies. I like seeing different approaches to music, program, and costume selection for ladies, like we have seen with Loena, Kaori, Amber, Bradie, Lara Naki, Kimmy Repond, Lindsay Thorngren, et al. Allow the ladies to blossom individually and express their different personalities without being starved, subjected to harsh training methods, and overly molded into the stale, superficial ice princess stereotype. Has the discipline finally stopped chasing after the next Michelle Kwan and are learning to allow female skaters to express their individuality? 🤔
Russia didn’t have a Ladies world champion until, what - Butyrskaya in 1999, then Slutskaya in 2002? If they gave up the sweatshop methods, starvation, puberty blockers, and cheating, they wouldn’t be winning anymore.
The only Russians I miss are Tuktamysheva and Kolyada.
Yep, and what I mean by hoping the women's discipline has, 'finally stopped chasing the next MK,' is that there will ever only be one Michelle Kwan! Ladies can surely still be inspired by her example, but they need to find out who they are on the ice and express themselves, not some unattainable ideal.
I hope this isn't the case, but there's probably a reasonable likelihood that skater A and skater B were also abused themselves when they were younger. It just seems to be the trend with this kind of behavior.
She gave the guy she had been seeing for a couple of years a hickey he asked for. The problem is she turned 19 two months ago and is considered an adult. Sexual abuse charge is ridiculous. Drinking in the dorm and him sneaking into female dorm were the real violations. He just threw them under the bus to get out of punishment it looks like.
@@joeyartk These kind of situations are difficult to suss out because they're not cut and dry. Yes there should be an age or age range limit to differentiate adults from children, but it really is not so cut and dry.
@@johnl405 A little common sense and life experience helps though. Sticking to the letter of the law instead of intent, lack of social experiences, and bitterness from one's own past lead to supporting ridiculous punishment like this.
Manifesting Gracie Gold as the next US pairs figure skater 💪
Welcome Nolan!
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35:31 situation in Korean Skating Union , skater a, skater b, skater c
I love Sasha Fear, her skating skills are phenomenal. I hope she comes back. Lilah really needs to work on her ankles and knees.
I heard Superstition by Stevie Wonder is a good choice.
The Lion King program was never going to work, it's such a shame they didn't do Madonna or Lady Gaga.
Is Nolan in a cubicle in his bedroom? I'm kind of digging it, to be honest.
“Is water wet?” Nice, Dave
My favourite Lisa McKinnon was Ashley's Hip Hip Chin Chin dress.
Dave & Nolan, I would totally watch your reality TV show. Too bad the powers that be would never let it happen. They're really stuck in the past and want their skaters to be untouchable ice princesses and stoic gentlemen. The IAM doc they did for peacock last cycle was such a dud. I don't need to hear about Madison talk about nails or Zach talk about cars, who cares!
People want mess, grit and personality. I feel like the the PR department of USFS is soooooo incompetent, they should just fire whomever they have now and hire a bunch of college interns and they'd probably do a better job.
Scandal .... korea get ISU president and just keeps failing, hope eunsoo sees an opening and comes back. The age change and russia being out really changes everything
Do you know anything about this chaebol? He is the son in law of the Samsung founder and has sat on many boards due to nepotism. He doesn't give a flying f about people's well being.
Korea is corrupt....Nepo baby president who committed fraudulent acts. Eunsoo was kicked out of uni and retired at 19! Where have you been? The coaches were beating Young You, and Haein. You have no idea. It's sick over there (and other countries too but we are talking Korea).
No more "Hold an edge and look..." at the end, Dave? 🤗
I’m w Team Nolan - having seen worlds I agree with his picks - and I def miss Trussova and Kosternia ❤
@skatinglesson should Lindsay switch feds since USFED hates her and she would do well if given opportunities
No. She wouldn't be released for years and her jumps would not magically become clean.
Why is drinking alcohol punished? I dint get it.
the news outlets say they got a minor drunk, and sexually assaulted/molested him, and sent him naked photos.
the boy is 15
They weren't supposed to be drinking in the dorm. The boy was a minor who has been dating one of the girls for a couple of years. She just turned 19 a couple of months ago so now she is considered adult. He was going to get in trouble for sneaking into the female dorm, but threw the girls under the bus instead. The "sexual assault" was a hickey he asked her to give him, but says he didnt know what it was. Looks like under pressure from the parents and lawyer most likely.
Ya. Walk me though how two college age girls “order” a high school age dude to come to their dorm room. This is not a thing. Sorry but there are differences.
Apparently haein was dating this minor
@@nl887 It looks like a failure of leadership more than anything else. In that 17-21 age bracket they will date and send boob pics when drinking. A and B both caught drinking multiple times. C goes to girls dorm without fear of consequences. And the coach gets a …3 month ban. And unfortunately Korea culture offers no second chances to celebs caught in scandals. Hope they all have good support network at home. They will need it.
Haein was grooming a 13 year old boy. The boy was 13 while Haein was 18. That's not normal.
Why can't she date a 16 or 17 year old boy at 18? Why did she specifically entertain a 13 year old kid?
@@savanahbabyyyy Oh wow. That’s not good. Thought it was more high school seniors and college age type shenanigans. Jeez.
What’s the Jeffrey Chen scandal?
Go to Reddit
This is the time to remember Hanya and Sakamoto. Examples of excellent posture 😂
Polina needs to stop posting twizzle vids. Enough already. We know you can do the same twizzle a million times.
Great show and please pray for Karen Read. Justice must ring true and police corruption should never be tolerated.
Is she involved in figure skating?
@@corgeousgeorgenope lol
@nicnoodles ah so OP is just a bootlicking wealth apologist who thinks a rich yt woman being held accountable for her actions is "police corruption"?
I am praying for Karen Read. And justice to be served to the ones involved.
She and the deceased are both part of demographics that get away with everything compared to others. I really don’t care to pray for her. 🤷🏾♀️
You all can argue over the lack of skating skills and the Japanese technique being superior. But someone like Ilia will keep winning by landing a few jumps. The esteemed choreographers can be offended by Ilia's homage, but he wins the medals
I don't know how someone like Dave who is himself an adult figure skating and went through the basic skills program and then freestyle levels could ever look at a professional figure skater and say they lack skating skills. It's wild. Presentation and skating skills are not the same thing. Illia has great skating skills. He needs to continue refining his interpretation, and he has been doing just that. The technical skills are the hardest to gain, so naturally, it's what's prioritized.
You do realize that many judges have never skated…
@@CaraMarie13 in russian we have a technical term for Ilia's "skills" - jackboots skate
when Japanese technology is one of the worst and most cheating. Example of Shoma and Kaori
@@CaraMarie13this comment is wild. Many people, like parents, judges, officials, and even coaches (yes coaches too), will learn all the details of the sport and study technique. Being able to do correct technique, skating skills and such is very different than being able to identify technique. For example, judges go to “judges school” where they learn to identify elements, learn the qualify of elements and learn how to judge them.
Does anyone have any thoughts about why so many adult figure skaters are attracted to minors?
mentally/emotionally stunted, lack of boundaries in rinks, being too sheltered and protected..... not to JUST blame the system around them, of course there is personal responsibility for ones actions, but the system definitely hurts young skaters more than it helps
@@jamiejoonks Yikes! That's a lot to think about.
In Skater A’s case (Haein Lee), they had been dating a while since they were both minors
figure skaters in the US (as I can only speak to my personal experience) typically are extremely sheltered even in the lower levels, kinda sad that it still seems to be the culture even now and USFS learned nothing from all the scandals in other sports
@@slumberland969okay and allegedly she was 17 and he was 13 and her own family told her it wasn’t okay yet she still went along with it
All top teams right now have overstayed their welcome in ice dance. People jump to ageism, but we need fresh young teams like Marjo/Zach on top and they have proven to be at least world podium/olympic podium level. Come on italians, two P's and bock you guys have had two to three olympics and countless worlds to be on top. Time to hang it up. If you we're competitive when dominina and shabalin wore those awful costumes at Vancouver it's time to go into the retirement home of skating (ice shows/coaching or some adequate book deal). Snore.
I blame KPOP.. I mean...the amount of money and time those people put into looking like slender, orphaned, porcelain anime , street hustler perfect doll figures is insane.
Dude, what logic do you have in your comment? Or is there logic? 😂
@@user-red47854 Meh. Kind of half hearted. The idea behind it is that a culture obsessed with the blemish-less, unoxidized perfection of youth, as represented in the smooth, slender, porcelain-esque figures of pop stars, will invariably turn itself into an unhealthy predatorial hierarchy of those seeking the promise of that youth. Unfortunately, this can lead to even the young and promising to pursue the even younger and less experienced.
It's really not that unorthodox a theory. I feel like it's just slightly more jarring in this situation because A. the visual representation of Korean beauty; with the poreless white skin and abandonment of any musculature/tone in any gender expression, is in such a juxtaposition to the western more earthy, tan, imperfect vision of youth and vitality; and B. Females instigating inappropriate activity with younger males is always going to bring up themes that society finds discomfiting in ways we don't when the gender roles are reversed.
@@matthewhines9787They were both minors when they started dating. I agree the feminization of males there is a problem. She is only guilty of poor taste. He didn't have any problems until after he got caught in the dorm and faced punishment. After she turned 19 two months ago she should have waited 6 months to resume their relationship to be legal. But she was foolish. It was a hickey he asked for, not sexual assault.
@@joeyartk I wouldn't call it "feminization". I would call it...maybe a "distillation". Though the presentation is androgynous to the western eye, there are many pale, slender, floppy-haired men with swords or other weapons lurking in the shadows and saving the innocent. They are the heroes of the Anime and Manga.
Besides, even if I'd call it feminization, I wouldn't labeled it a bad thing to be feminine.
@@matthewhines9787 Feminine males don't bother me either. But with the Korean birthrate right now, they need all the testosterone they can get. Lol
I don't like Madison Chock's wedding dress, either. Madison was gorgeous, as usual. She looked really happy and she was glowing. But that vertical gathering on the bodice makes it look cheap. I can't believe Vera Wang would ever put her name on that dress.
Vera did make those bizarre costumes for Nathan Chen!
@TheSkatingLesson Oh yeah, that. 😬
@@TheSkatingLessonCostumes? Floppy tshirts are costumes? I still think those were designed by Nathan. Lol.
I didn’t mind the bodice at all. I thought the split was weird, but I don’t think I saw a really clear picture of the dress to know how I really feel about it.
I expected more from her but she would gorgeous in a mop.
This is the time to remember Hanya and Sakamoto. Examples of excellent posture
If y'all know who skaters A, B,and C are, why can't you give the names?
It’s not confirmed, it’s speculated based on blurred videos that aired on tv in Korea
@@musawasichelwa1321athlete a is confirmed to be haein lee
B is Young You, ppl say C is the reigning junior world champion, but if true, that is truly disturbing
Haein Lee is A who molested the boy. Young You is B who took naked photos of Haein Lee and sent it to the boy. Both are sex offenders.
I can't say the name of the boy but if you use twitter or instagram you'll find out who he is. Haein started dating him when he was 13 and she was 18
I came over from Facebook, because I thought it would be interesting, but it reminded me why I can’t stand podcasts. It was so long and meandering; no visuals - I just kept waiting for it to become worth my while.
Thanks for watching
Most people do other things while listening to podcasts - no visuals necessary.
I miss Johnathan
He is taking some time off. He was burned out last season in general and is recharging. He will be back as a guest during the year.
What’s the logic for adult skaters to spend thousands of dollars on a costume? Especially if it’s only worn once?
Because they want to present themselves well and look their best - the same logic as an amateur skating doing it.
Boys Polina is not a star. She is a C class skater. She is not EVgenia. She is not even like Meisssner or Flatt she is like a costco discount skater
wow Flatt? yikes
I think she’s building her own niche into the sport via social media and this is admirable. I’ve never followed her for the skating, to be honest, because it didn’t attract me too much (music etc.) she seems like she’s grown and evolved so much tho!
Evgenia a star!?? Stretched 😂
@@camilleong16682 time world champion…. Ok
And you are - what again? Did you make it to the Olympics?
Japanese skaters have great posture and back position? Sakamoto? Lol
generally they do, Kaori is the exception
For the most part. One glaring omission but she more than makes up for it in different ways
Hey! It sounds like English isn’t your native language, so I just wanted to clarify something. When we say things like 'Japanese skaters have great posture and back position’ or ‘Americans are friendly,' it is understood that, on average, Japanese skaters tend to have great posture/back and Americans tend to be friendly compared to others. Of course, there are always exceptions and individual differences. It's just a general trend, not an absolute rule, in the English language. I hope this helps.
@@nondescriptnyc I understand. Im just an American making fun of Sakamoto. Lol
Satoko's back is gorgeous