First Time Stick, Arc, Welding, fixing up old welder
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Update: I have disconnected the Neutral.
I fumble around with the stick as this is my first time ever stick welding. I don't hide anything, my weld looks terrible. I bought a used welder on craigslist. In this video I clean it up a bit, swap out the power cord with a 4-prong. Then I fire it up for the first time. At least I was able to stick two pieces of metal together.
This may be the best edited and produced episode yet. Excellent. maybe start with a 7014 rod
Thanks Glenn.
David, thanks for the reply on my 'solar' comments. I figured out why I like you so much - you've just like me!!! At 72 years of age, I still love VARIETY in all things! Learned to weld in the Army. My father-in-law gave me an old Forney stick welder and tons of sticks. I went to the library (no internet then) found the Forney manual and copied it. Went home, picked up a lot of old iron and started welding. To make an arc, swipe the stick as if you were to strike a match on a match box. If this helps - then once you have your arc, slowly rotate the stick in a small circle "O" just above your molten pool. As you slowly rotate, move a little in the direction you wish to weld. Some students like to move their sticks as if printing the letter "C" - again, toward the direction of weld. Lay a piece of iron on the floor, and practice weld lines. Use different sticks and power combinations. That's how I learned. The long-sleeve shirt is good common sense - without it your arms will become very sun-burned! Oh, the older Forney and similar welders have copper cores, unlike some of today's aluminum or steel cores. The copper cores cool off faster so you can do more welding cycles (time between cooling cycles). Newer units have to rest longer between cycles. Once you have learned the basics, you may want to invest in a welder with a variable (circular switch) selector. This will allow you to set your power on the "sweet spot" much easier. Old welders like you and I have are only able to set the power on a number which may be a touch too hot or too cold for a project. And lastly, welders come in AC and DC - so make sure you have the correct sticks for the type of welder you have. Oh, forgot to mention - go ahead and buy one of the instant breakfast type welder helmets. Worth the money. It instantly dims when you start so there's no chance of losing your spot as you wrestle with trying to get the helmet to fall over your eyes. John
A few years late but I figured I'd save people the hassle of changing out cords. On something like this there's no reason to switch to a 4 wire cord, there is no need for a neutral since it's a 100% 230 volt device. If it had 120 volt accessories on it then it would make sense to switch to the 4 wire setup so you aren't sharing your neutral and ground which can pose safety concerns in some instances.
That’s awesome. I have an old stock welder too. You have inspired me to dig it up and have a go.
6013 rods are also excellent rods to learn. They strike really easy, and lay down really nice beads. And the slag comes off really easy
I picked up a Century 230 Amp AC welder off Craigslist a short while ago. I will also be a first time welder. All I have to do is wire up and outlet off the breaker box and I'll be laying down a bead and welding some random stuff to learn.
That's great you have your son out with you
Learning man stuff
TIP.. If you are a novice it is much easier to control the tip of a rod and strike an arc if you cut a few rods into 3 pieces.. Using a short rod makes it easier whilst getting the hang of things.
THE WELDER - Good choice. Having seperate outlet sockets for the different ampages means that the machine has fewer moving parts. Selector knobs/switches can wear and burn out. Secondly, the 'movable shunt' system is not being used either where a large threaded shaft moves with a large adjustment knob an iron shunt in and out of the transformer varying the amount of magnetic flux and therefore the amount of current produced.. Its less efficient because the seperate connection system means the transformer is always working at maximum flux efficiency.. Also the shunt and shaft can also break and/or seize up with rust.
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I'm sure you've already figured it out but the high ground is for the large number on each slot if you want the smaller amp on each slot you use the low ground.
The Red Knight - Thanks for your input to this RUclips poster about the High & Low plugs. “I” was wondering that. I’m in the posters shoes now about to try my first stick weld also using an old welder I bought. Thanks!
Got to start some ware
Also note what kind of clothes you use while welding. Some types can burn holes into your pants or shirt.
Not bad for your 1st time
this was a great presentation ,lotta thought & explanation behind thanks much
Good job bit you always pull not push with flux
Nice video. I just got a old 70's craftsman 230amp. hope to fire it up in day or too
I got the same welder let me know how you do it
I am restoring a similar welder. I am looking for what fan it needs. I only need a picture of it. This welder came with a fan that looks like the type to use inside a motor. I wish I had the model number on hand.
always learning well done. all in time
I just knew he was about to strike up and burn a box of rods with the baby watching the sparkler show
Classic how he jumped 7:35 lol
omg thank you for the video =) when u jumped when u started the arc at 7:35 i lost it i did that the very first time i struck an arc and that was about 18 years ago now?? keep it up also love the fact that you have your kid out there with you...i just picked up a beast of a stick welder thinking about putting it on youtube myself as i fix it up....but i will be showing my 10 year old daughter how to stick weld and she is sooo pumped and ready!!! good luck in all your welding adventures =) also what is your background in electricity i just took an "intro" into industrial electricity and im saca certified (if that means anything to you) so im ready to get in to the machine its self (with the help of my dad who knows a thing or two lol worked at city power plant for years)
Thks for doing volt read out from test. I got a old sears craftsman with 70volts.. yours is a beast .. is it still working
uhhh do not connect ground and neutral together at the device. where does the mains return to? the other hot or the core of the transformer?
Hi SuperBrainAK, I could not find a definitive answer on swapping out a 3-prong for 4-prong with this exact setup. I'm not sure what you mean by the other mains? I have two hot leads, black and red. They both go to the primary winding on the transformer. The tab I'm connecting to is on the iron core, which is welded and bolted to the frame. That is not connected to the secondary winding, which takes off to the outputs on the front of the welder. I checked several websites for info on this, but they all seam to give information for dryers or ranges.
oh I see, then the transformer runs directly on 240v. so you just need to connect the ground to the chassis and cover up the neutral because it is not used.
Neutral is the return for all 120v devices since we have 2 phase center tapped power, from one hot to neutral it is 120v from the other hot it is 120v but at all times it is the opposite polarity. so from one hot, lets stop time and say it is positive 120v right now then the other hot will be negative 120v at the same time. so from one hot to the other it is 240v. resuming time again it is AC but they are still opposite polarities so you have 240v AC from one hot to the other, but at the same time you have 120v ac from each hot to neutral.
Anyway your transformer is not using the neutral as a current return since it runs on 240v, it is using the hots as its current source and return alternating.
So the neutral even though it should be the same voltage as ground since they are tied together at the breaker panel the neutral might have current flowing across it (from other devices on the same circuit and panel) so the resistance of the wires makes a voltage drop. low resistance would mean a low voltage drop and not much to worry about, but if it got messed up somehow there would be high resistance meaning high voltage drop so it would be dangerous.
So this is how american homes are wired and why you should use neutral as your hot return and ground as your emergency connection to ground or 0v potential. for your welder there isnt any current flowing on the neutral but there is current returning to the neutral bar in the breaker panel which if it came loose from the chassis or ground connection the only return for neutral now would be through your welder overloading the wires or shocking anyone who touched the welder case. so not likely to pose any harm but it is against the NEC and could be unsafe.
Hi SuperBrainAK, Huge Thanks for explaining that. Makes sense. I'll disconnect the neutral inside the case and tape it up. Thank you for such a good explanation.
your welcome, you should watch mike holts videos on electrical code, very informative stuff. ruclips.net/video/mpgAVE4UwFw/видео.html
Miller electric made a Dialarc 250hf ac/dc machine that had the 220 going out in 3 wires. Red,black and green. It powered the welder then they split one leg off and had it run a 110v pump and fan motor on the coolmate 1 radiator that was mounted to the top. I finally called tech support and they went through the schematic and sure enough the machine is manufactured that way and dumps the neutral off the 110v fan/pump motor down the ground. Worked fine. Nobody got shocked. The HF was another story... Nobody got Shocked!!!
Did you ever find the cable entry to the welder ports mine seem to have dulled out and need replacing
Can anyone vouch for the new Marquette welders since Lincoln bought them?
Your going to want to fix the 110 plug in
Good effort lol