I have a Mondraker Dusty R, to use on rougher gravel route than I like to take my orbea gain on. Both have the x20 and can't believe how smooth it is changing between levels.
I thought my x35 plus system was very smooth in terms of the power delivery. I then tried the Dusty with the X20, wow, I can't believe it was so much better in terms of the smoothness of the power delivery.
@@FiveMinuteVelo And its s very capable system, 2 weeks ago I managed the C2C from Whitehaven to Tynemouth on the Dusty over 4 days, even got me up Hartside pass, and I thought I would struggle because of the arthritis in my knees.
@@FENCYCLIST> I agree it is a capable system, it's also very subtle. This is unlike the gravel bike I hired in Mallorca: ruclips.net/video/nGtOnpq7Gbc/видео.htmlsi=z4D7ymGmigrADs0_ Which was a bit of a beast.
I have noticed rolling resistance with my X35-equipped Salsa Confluence when riding in assist-level 0 after using level 2 or 3 to help climb a hill. It seems to last for maybe 5-10 minutes after coming off the higher assist levels.
Thanks for this feedback, it's helpful for my viewers and me. It's often quite difficult to separate out the physical response of the bike from the physiological response that you feel when the motor is turned off. I do notice the perceived extra resistance once the motor is turned off. However, I see no physical reason why there should be additional resistance. Therefore, I put this down to her physiological response, your body just needs to get used to putting in the extra effort. As I have noticed, it does get used to it, it just takes a few tens of seconds to a minute or so.
I had to smile as when I turn my X20 bike's assistance to level 0 after using level 1 on a climb, it feels like someone put the brakes on! Seems you forget how much the assist is helping so it's a shock when it's not? I have an X35 bike too (my wife has 3 of 'em) but don't notice any difference in rolling resistance though I have yet to ride the X35 bike (bought used) enough to say that with any certainty.
@@larryt.atcycleitalia5786 > agree that the X?? assistance is 'hidden', it is very gentle, the X20 in particular. I think that is what is nice about the Mahle systems, the motor assists the rider; some other systems I have used are more like the rider helping the motor. Nice to have the choice though.
@@FiveMinuteVelo We wanted e-bikes that felt like bicycles when the assist wasn't being used. I briefly rode a mid-motor MTB and couldn't get over the feeling I was pedaling a gearbox that eventually turned a sprocket that eventually turned the rear wheel. When the motor was on I felt like my pedaling was merely telling the motor how much power I wanted - never felt I was actually making the bike go. MAHLE X35 and X20 systems feel like standard bicycles so much I often ride mine with assist at 0 for the entire ride if there are no steep or long climbs. Perhaps I'm stupid to haul that extra weight around (that I paid extra for) and never use it, but people say the same thing about triple cranksets. When you need 'em, you want 'em to be there and I'm willing to drag 'em around when I don't, just-in-case.
i have x35 and x20 both, X35 is much better at least for me. also, x20 does not seem difference in power supplied between eco mode and level 2. X20 is louder.
@@isaacchung1049 > thanks for letting me know, it's good to know what other people who use both systems also think. I don't know if you have seen my follow-up video(s): ruclips.net/video/5p6Omf7oolM/видео.htmlsi=dFoAutQRUtwLIULd. My conclusion, I suppose, does not contradict what you say, with the exception of motor noise. Others have also reported that the x20 is louder, but this was not experience. Applying my engineering hat to this conundrum though, I suppose the frame set could act as an echo box, or attenuate to the sound. The NHV characteristics of the bike is not something I'm going to get to the bottom of.
I have both and can't tell any difference when riding 'em. Easily hit 75 kph the other day on a descent on X35 bike. Would I have gone faster with X20? Do I care? Some of the things people obsess about make me scratch my bald head!
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I have a Mondraker Dusty R, to use on rougher gravel route than I like to take my orbea gain on. Both have the x20 and can't believe how smooth it is changing between levels.
I thought my x35 plus system was very smooth in terms of the power delivery. I then tried the Dusty with the X20, wow, I can't believe it was so much better in terms of the smoothness of the power delivery.
@@FiveMinuteVelo And its s very capable system, 2 weeks ago I managed the C2C from Whitehaven to Tynemouth on the Dusty over 4 days, even got me up Hartside pass, and I thought I would struggle because of the arthritis in my knees.
@@FENCYCLIST> I agree it is a capable system, it's also very subtle. This is unlike the gravel bike I hired in Mallorca:
ruclips.net/video/nGtOnpq7Gbc/видео.htmlsi=z4D7ymGmigrADs0_
Which was a bit of a beast.
I have noticed rolling resistance with my X35-equipped Salsa Confluence when riding in assist-level 0 after using level 2 or 3 to help climb a hill. It seems to last for maybe 5-10 minutes after coming off the higher assist levels.
Thanks for this feedback, it's helpful for my viewers and me. It's often quite difficult to separate out the physical response of the bike from the physiological response that you feel when the motor is turned off.
I do notice the perceived extra resistance once the motor is turned off. However, I see no physical reason why there should be additional resistance. Therefore, I put this down to her physiological response, your body just needs to get used to putting in the extra effort. As I have noticed, it does get used to it, it just takes a few tens of seconds to a minute or so.
I had to smile as when I turn my X20 bike's assistance to level 0 after using level 1 on a climb, it feels like someone put the brakes on! Seems you forget how much the assist is helping so it's a shock when it's not?
I have an X35 bike too (my wife has 3 of 'em) but don't notice any difference in rolling resistance though I have yet to ride the X35 bike (bought used) enough to say that with any certainty.
@@larryt.atcycleitalia5786 > agree that the X?? assistance is 'hidden', it is very gentle, the X20 in particular. I think that is what is nice about the Mahle systems, the motor assists the rider; some other systems I have used are more like the rider helping the motor. Nice to have the choice though.
@@FiveMinuteVelo We wanted e-bikes that felt like bicycles when the assist wasn't being used. I briefly rode a mid-motor MTB and couldn't get over the feeling I was pedaling a gearbox that eventually turned a sprocket that eventually turned the rear wheel. When the motor was on I felt like my pedaling was merely telling the motor how much power I wanted - never felt I was actually making the bike go.
MAHLE X35 and X20 systems feel like standard bicycles so much I often ride mine with assist at 0 for the entire ride if there are no steep or long climbs. Perhaps I'm stupid to haul that extra weight around (that I paid extra for) and never use it, but people say the same thing about triple cranksets. When you need 'em, you want 'em to be there and I'm willing to drag 'em around when I don't, just-in-case.
i have x35 and x20 both, X35 is much better at least for me. also, x20 does not seem difference in power supplied between eco mode and level 2. X20 is louder.
@@isaacchung1049 > thanks for letting me know, it's good to know what other people who use both systems also think.
I don't know if you have seen my follow-up video(s): ruclips.net/video/5p6Omf7oolM/видео.htmlsi=dFoAutQRUtwLIULd.
My conclusion, I suppose, does not contradict what you say, with the exception of motor noise. Others have also reported that the x20 is louder, but this was not experience. Applying my engineering hat to this conundrum though, I suppose the frame set could act as an echo box, or attenuate to the sound. The NHV characteristics of the bike is not something I'm going to get to the bottom of.
I have both and can't tell any difference when riding 'em. Easily hit 75 kph the other day on a descent on X35 bike. Would I have gone faster with X20? Do I care? Some of the things people obsess about make me scratch my bald head!
Despite me going into all this detail, that's my attitude. It does though, seem important to some people.