Thoughts on the DF54? I would love to hear your take. I have an old Hario V60 grinder and I'm looking to buy a new one for espresso. I don't know if I should buy a flat or a conical.
Haven’t used it but from what I heard it tastes similar to the df64. The main difference is the 64 has a lot of burr options. In other words I wouldn’t hesitate on picking it up
Alot of people like them but like what you say there are do many other cheaper and more accessible grinders out there.. i wouldnt trade my Opus for nothing its a powerhouse never ever stalls
i'M OLD AND WISE...BUT i THINK YOU'RE YOUNG AND WISE. wATCHING THIS VIDEO WAS LIKE LISTENING TO MY OWN THOUGHTS. (Sorry about the caps...I'm not yelling. Caps lock was on.) Anyway, I;'ve been a coffee nut since I started pullimg all nighters in college and med school many moons ago. I've had many espresso machines (maybe 15), roasted my own beans, used distilled or purified water, tried all kinds of gadgets but the single most important increase in the quality of my esprersso was upgrading to the Turin DF 64 gen. 2. What a beautiful piece of equipment. Built like a tank. All the previous deficiencies and foibles of previous Turin grinder models were addressed and corrected. In spite of all my experience, I never realized how important was a great grinder used properly and the price was at the top of the value for dollar scale.
Awesome to see such praise for the DF64 from someone with a lot of experience. I'm a happy camper pairing the DF54 with my Gaggiuino. Upgrading to the 64 for burr options might be my endgame. Also awesome to see an honest video like this one. We need more honest reviews like this.
Hard to ignore what Niche did to the grinder world. The fact that competitors have come along and challenged it is a testament to the Niche’s innovation. As many said, it was the iPhone of the grinder market at the time. Now days it’s fair to look at other options for similar money or a better value, but what makes the Niche good still remains today. Quality grinder, super- workflow, great aesthetic. After the Niche I wouldn’t even consider a hopper-style grinder. It blew the market on its ass and that’s why the hype. It earned the hype. So now others are coming to compete and we will see if Niche can continue to innovate. The Duo was not impressive and based on James Hoffman’s testing, doesn’t seem to do anything differently in its grind profile. The swappable burrs is interesting, but impractical for routine use.
Baratza Sette has many quirks (very loud, very shifty dial while grinding, many plastic componets that easily crack especially when disassembly for deep clean, very very high rpm lots of fines. Again very very loud. Niche Zero used on marketplace for $300. Easy calibation, softer noise, best workflow in its range, very very low retention. Flavor wise its good not great Every DF grinder has its quirks. Declumper clogs, bellows and fines flying, plastic cup equals tons of static cling. Playing with the df54 now . First initial grinds held lots of retention. Plastic cup sucks. However marker alignment was easy, grinds 18g in 21-25sec in fine mode for High Extraction basket like the mischief spirit. Pleasant noise. Antipopcorn helps with feed and no stall issues. Flavor has been clean with fresh light roast beans. A few weeks of testing will see if it brings out more clarity compared to niche or if its placebo B.S again. Still give the niche the better workflow though
I'm super happy with my Varia VS3 Gen 2 with the hypernova ultra burrs. Better looking than the Turin ones, and also very easy to use. And this burr set, both espresso and filter coffee are great
I had two units of Varia both had issues as they have plastic internals. First machine broke down 4 days after purchase and the second 3 months after the 12 month warranty. No support from varia except to spend more and replace the whole motor unit which will cost over $200 AUD for the same plastic internals no thanks. Stay away from Varia if you are thinking of purchasing one.
@@BarefootAngler Maybe you used light beans? I see every reviewer saying it is fine to use light beans on Varia, but they say in the manual to not use light beans for espresso
Mine is not dead. I’m happily making espresso and pour overs for a few years now. I learned about coffee a lot. And just like hi-fi or photography- people start obsessing over minute details of the new lens which is killer of that lens( been there) that they lose sense of what the photography is about. Stick to tasting the coffee not tasting the new grinder every week
Would be curious to know their margins. They'll probably either have to slash prices or go out of business. I also wonder how many units they've actually sold.
If you bought into the hype, you bought into the Community’s hype. Niche seem completely disinterested in engaging with anyone. They didn’t create the hype. .
Had df64. Many were screaming it was a Niche killer. For me Niche was better, so df64 went on the marketplace. Using Niche every day until now. So I do not agree. Niche is not dead at all.
You believe... good for you but fortunately brand success does not depend on one individual... wrong assumption based on fact that hype of everything fade away with time. In 2024, Niche Zero is still a great contender. I bought a year ago a brand new Rancilio Stile based on brand reputation... big mistake. It stopped functioning just after warranty and I do realize you can't repair it by yourself as you can't remove burr!.... Like you I believed about something... So I did make serious reviews for a good, reliable grinder. Guess what, I bought a Niche yesterday after watching your video among many others :) I was on the fence for aDF64 Gen 2 or a Niche. Niche is still 110€ more expensive in EU but I do prefer its design, grinding performance (based on reviews and my own coffee espresso preferences). 505€ is totally fine for such built quality for single dose lovers. You are right, there are plenty of grinders in 2024 but suggesting not to buy a Niche because it is dead (dead not even between brackets...) is totally overstated. Clickbait excuse is just weird.
These other companies made their money and now the landscape has changed to make good home Espresso more accessible. Not saying it's easy to produce but does a quality consistent bean grinding machine with steel parts need to cost $700+ in 2024? An Espresso machine with way more moving parts in involved makes more sense being pricey imo. Time to adapt and innovative. Loving my DF54 + Gaggiuino combo.
Am I supposed to do a research to learn all the models you mentioned? Sprinkle some visuals, man. As of right now - I don’t care since zero does a good job and I don’t want to spend more time (which equals $ in some cases) to learn what else is on the market. Not to mention some logical flows in your statements - zero did not live up to you expectations but a cheaper model does almost as good… does that mean you are ok with even lower grind quality for lesser price?
I thought he stated that pretty clearly. In fact he stated several options of $500 and under or $400 with an upgrade and get just as good results. He very clearly stated that there is such minimal difference with more innovation and options without spending $750 dollars…
@@andrewrawlings7180 I described my take, and I have no desire to watch it again to fine-tune my message. I was showered with model numbers; without visuals and descriptions, they are meaningless. What was the point of the video to begin with? To suggest better options? Then, line them up instead of spewing the model numbers; then let people on the market decide. For people owning the tool, this video adds no value.
You can get better results than the niche for cheaper. The Turin DF grinders are pretty common knowledge now in the coffee field. Also all of the grinders are mentioned in the description.
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Thoughts on the DF54? I would love to hear your take. I have an old Hario V60 grinder and I'm looking to buy a new one for espresso. I don't know if I should buy a flat or a conical.
Haven’t used it but from what I heard it tastes similar to the df64. The main difference is the 64 has a lot of burr options. In other words I wouldn’t hesitate on picking it up
Officially dead is a bit dramatic and a big exaggeration
Maybe moving into a retirement home would be more suitable.
haha maybe a little bit. Sometime you gotta play RUclips's game to get views
That's a good way to put it
Alot of people like them but like what you say there are do many other cheaper and more accessible grinders out there.. i wouldnt trade my Opus for nothing its a powerhouse never ever stalls
I enjoyed the opus when I had it!
i'M OLD AND WISE...BUT i THINK YOU'RE YOUNG AND WISE. wATCHING THIS VIDEO WAS LIKE LISTENING TO MY OWN THOUGHTS. (Sorry about the caps...I'm not yelling. Caps lock was on.)
Anyway, I;'ve been a coffee nut since I started pullimg all nighters in college and med school many moons ago. I've had many espresso machines (maybe 15), roasted my own beans, used distilled or purified water, tried all kinds of gadgets but the single most important increase in the quality of my esprersso was upgrading to the Turin DF 64 gen. 2. What a beautiful piece of equipment. Built like a tank. All the previous deficiencies and foibles of previous Turin grinder models were addressed and corrected. In spite of all my experience, I never realized how important was a great grinder used properly and the price was at the top of the value for dollar scale.
Thanks so much for the encouragement!
Awesome to see such praise for the DF64 from someone with a lot of experience. I'm a happy camper pairing the DF54 with my Gaggiuino. Upgrading to the 64 for burr options might be my endgame. Also awesome to see an honest video like this one. We need more honest reviews like this.
Hard to ignore what Niche did to the grinder world. The fact that competitors have come along and challenged it is a testament to the Niche’s innovation. As many said, it was the iPhone of the grinder market at the time. Now days it’s fair to look at other options for similar money or a better value, but what makes the Niche good still remains today. Quality grinder, super- workflow, great aesthetic. After the Niche I wouldn’t even consider a hopper-style grinder. It blew the market on its ass and that’s why the hype. It earned the hype. So now others are coming to compete and we will see if Niche can continue to innovate. The Duo was not impressive and based on James Hoffman’s testing, doesn’t seem to do anything differently in its grind profile. The swappable burrs is interesting, but impractical for routine use.
It definitely made an impact for sure
Baratza Sette has many quirks (very loud, very shifty dial while grinding, many plastic componets that easily crack especially when disassembly for deep clean, very very high rpm lots of fines. Again very very loud.
Niche Zero used on marketplace for $300. Easy calibation, softer noise, best workflow in its range, very very low retention. Flavor wise its good not great
Every DF grinder has its quirks. Declumper clogs, bellows and fines flying, plastic cup equals tons of static cling.
Playing with the df54 now . First initial grinds held lots of retention. Plastic cup sucks.
However marker alignment was easy, grinds 18g in 21-25sec in fine mode for High Extraction basket like the mischief spirit. Pleasant noise. Antipopcorn helps with feed and no stall issues. Flavor has been clean with fresh light roast beans. A few weeks of testing will see if it brings out more clarity compared to niche or if its placebo B.S again.
Still give the niche the better workflow though
niche definatly wins on workflow. Cant believe the niche used is $300 already. I sold mine maybe a year ago for retail.
Just bought a Niche Zero. Workflow is better and taste is slightly better by your admission.
Hope you enjoy
I'm super happy with my Varia VS3 Gen 2 with the hypernova ultra burrs. Better looking than the Turin ones, and also very easy to use. And this burr set, both espresso and filter coffee are great
Always wanted to try that one
I had two units of Varia both had issues as they have plastic internals. First machine broke down 4 days after purchase and the second 3 months after the 12 month warranty. No support from varia except to spend more and replace the whole motor unit which will cost over $200 AUD for the same plastic internals no thanks. Stay away from Varia if you are thinking of purchasing one.
@@BarefootAngler Maybe you used light beans? I see every reviewer saying it is fine to use light beans on Varia, but they say in the manual to not use light beans for espresso
Mine is not dead. I’m happily making espresso and pour overs for a few years now. I learned about coffee a lot. And just like hi-fi or photography- people start obsessing over minute details of the new lens which is killer of that lens( been there) that they lose sense of what the photography is about. Stick to tasting the coffee not tasting the new grinder every week
Good perspective
Still love my niche and would buy again or the niche duo
Glad you enjoy
Would be curious to know their margins. They'll probably either have to slash prices or go out of business. I also wonder how many units they've actually sold.
I would like to know too. That would be interesting
God bless you, comrade! I in Russia Niche Zero now costs 840$ min. You saved me so much money. Awesome content quality!
Thanks for watching
If you bought into the hype, you bought into the Community’s hype.
Niche seem completely disinterested in engaging with anyone. They didn’t create the hype. .
It was one of the first single dose options out there that gained any traction, that’s why there was hype
not everything concludes to 130$ difference , there are a lot of parameters like build quality , weight and disassembly ...
Have you used a newer Turin grinder?
Had df64. Many were screaming it was a Niche killer. For me Niche was better, so df64 went on the marketplace. Using Niche every day until now. So I do not agree. Niche is not dead at all.
What made the niche better for you
You believe... good for you but fortunately brand success does not depend on one individual... wrong assumption based on fact that hype of everything fade away with time. In 2024, Niche Zero is still a great contender. I bought a year ago a brand new Rancilio Stile based on brand reputation... big mistake. It stopped functioning just after warranty and I do realize you can't repair it by yourself as you can't remove burr!.... Like you I believed about something...
So I did make serious reviews for a good, reliable grinder. Guess what, I bought a Niche yesterday after watching your video among many others :) I was on the fence for aDF64 Gen 2 or a Niche.
Niche is still 110€ more expensive in EU but I do prefer its design, grinding performance (based on reviews and my own coffee espresso preferences).
505€ is totally fine for such built quality for single dose lovers.
You are right, there are plenty of grinders in 2024 but suggesting not to buy a Niche because it is dead (dead not even between brackets...) is totally overstated. Clickbait excuse is just weird.
Sometimes you just gotta do some click bait
These other companies made their money and now the landscape has changed to make good home Espresso more accessible. Not saying it's easy to produce but does a quality consistent bean grinding machine with steel parts need to cost $700+ in 2024? An Espresso machine with way more moving parts in involved makes more sense being pricey imo. Time to adapt and innovative. Loving my DF54 + Gaggiuino combo.
That’s a great combo
Great video! I am cheap 200 for a grinder is my limit. I use a manual grinder and love it. I really thinking about a df54 or sd40. ☕️😎👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
I'm hoping to get my hands on the DF54 soon. I think it could be awesome for the money!
the df54 looks great!
You're right! Only to buy in GB an expensive shipping to Germany! DF54 is much better :-)
@@DerKaffeelehrer thanks!
Looking this Video and thinking of the Weber EG-1
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"The sponsor is me" LOL that cracked me up. Such balls
Gotta try something new lol
Can buy 2 DF64's for the price of 1 Niche 0
Exactly
The NZ is still a great grinder!
agreed just not the best value
Am I supposed to do a research to learn all the models you mentioned? Sprinkle some visuals, man. As of right now - I don’t care since zero does a good job and I don’t want to spend more time (which equals $ in some cases) to learn what else is on the market. Not to mention some logical flows in your statements - zero did not live up to you expectations but a cheaper model does almost as good… does that mean you are ok with even lower grind quality for lesser price?
I thought he stated that pretty clearly. In fact he stated several options of $500 and under or $400 with an upgrade and get just as good results. He very clearly stated that there is such minimal difference with more innovation and options without spending $750 dollars…
@@andrewrawlings7180 I described my take, and I have no desire to watch it again to fine-tune my message. I was showered with model numbers; without visuals and descriptions, they are meaningless. What was the point of the video to begin with? To suggest better options? Then, line them up instead of spewing the model numbers; then let people on the market decide. For people owning the tool, this video adds no value.
You can get better results than the niche for cheaper. The Turin DF grinders are pretty common knowledge now in the coffee field. Also all of the grinders are mentioned in the description.
Niche's time has come and gone. Now they're an overpriced dinosaur.
Agreed
took the bait and watched the video. will never watch this dude again
I guess we’re all entitled to our opinions. A lot of people agreed with mine on this video.
Douche Zero is more fitting
Lol