Grinders To Love: Niche Zero & Eureka Specialita
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- Опубликовано: 24 сен 2021
- Why are the #NicheZero, and the Eureka #Specialita, so loved? Let me explain, as I demonstrate each #CoffeeGrinder with espresso and pourover.
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an underrated channel. will pray to the RUclips gods for you.
Thank you :)
I've been scouring all over youtube for videos on the specialita before my purchase, and I must say, yours is the most informative! Thanks!
Thanks. I also have a specialita-only review; don't know if you caught it but might be of interest
I have the Specialità for a couple of day now and I love this machine. I have the matte black and I love the industrial look of it. Quite an artifact. And so quiet btw.
Ye XL is also great
Who put dislike on this vid? This is miles far best comparison between Specialita and Zero. Thank you and looking forward to Eureka single dose.
Informative and well shot, as always :)
Thank you!
Thanks very much :)
These reviews are amazing. I've been watching James Hoffman for a while now and am not sure why RUclips just figured out your content pairs well. I'm hooked!
Thanks, and welcome to the community :)
I'm going from a Breville smart grinder pro to the Specialita pretty soon and am happy to hear it is also suitable for pour over. Though I think I'll have to still reserve the smart grinder for the drip machine.
Not sure why anyone would give this a thumbs down - excellent review
Just pulled the trigger on the Eureka Specialita. Cannot wait to up my game.
I clicked this video so fast, love this comparison :D
Thank you :)
I'm sure it's been said before but his voice is just like the sunscreen guy. Nice vid.
I love my Specialita grinder! It does sometimes show weird behaviour and the electronics are blinking from time to time, but it didn't need any repair yet. It is also pretty easy to open up and clean. My solution is Specialita + Commandante C40! The Specialita is for my Lelit Bianca and the C40 is for travel and filter brews. If I would only have one grinder I would choose the Niche though. Btw. I sold my Cafelat Robot when I bought my Lelit Bianca and I really miss the ease of use.
Cool. And yes, the work flow with the Bot is a really pleasant surprise :)
Why would you choose Niche over Specialita?
@@DM-sc4zy Easier to jump between grind-settings I would assume.
Love your channel
Great video…AGAIN!
Got a bit distracted by my own manual espresso curiosity! Haven’t yet watched all your coffee related videos yet but intend to do so soon!
Have to do coffee on the cheap, so I am drawn to the manual espresso makers but don’t have one yet. And have a gifted hand grinder (cheap). I watch all grinder videos though to learn more about coffee and everything that effects how it tastes.
Thanks again!
Thanks mate. I reviewed the Cafelat Robot, which might interest you. It's the best manual espresso maker imho, but not portable. Anyway, welcome to the community.
Hi and thanke for this. I just ordered a Mignon Facile which is a stripped down Silencio. Got one marked down to $350. Cannot wait to pair it up with my GCP.
I've really enjoyed your channel through the past few months I've been watching- especially your moka relates posts !
Great informative video, loved the top gear reference too .
Was curious if you had any interest in checking out this thing called Cafe d'orzo? I've seen people try instant versions of this stuff, but I haven't seen it really done properly much. Seems like it could be a really cool drink, I wouldn't call it coffee- but as a stand alone drink, it has many of the same tunable aspects. Just thought it would be cool to see you explore that concept- personally, I picked up some barley, rye, Farina, and oats to do some roasting and experimentation of my own.
Thanks. Nice idea; I think caffe d'orzo belongs in the WG bailiwick. It will be a few months, because I'll want to compare the traditional toasted barley to dark roasted malted barley from brewery suppliers.
This is a great vid and review. Thank you. I just purchased an Oro XL. Still on the fence on getting a Niche. I have a sette 270wi that im happy with. IDK , the Niche is so hard to get
You killed the coffee while you're making pour over :D
youtube doesnt know where to direct high quality videos; well done
Thank you :)
The sense of humour of this video is beyond genius, yet it delivers the right information!
My specialita grinder was an amazing investment. I doubt I can find anything better for espresso at this price point. Switching between espresso and pour-over is actually easier than I thought, because espresso range on mine is 1-3 and pour-over range is about +4-5 (+ is one full rotation). Not to mention the noise level, which is minimal.
Yep, it really is the champ in value for money :)
Have you looked at DF64?
@@Hawk-tq8tc yes we did, it might get cheaper but not so much
You convinced me. The zero is quite expensive in the EU, so I'll be getting the special
It's set >:) i'm getting a Filtro with extra espresso burrs. Fantastic work on the vids
Nice, I also like a high brew ratio for chemex/pourover or Aeropress. I thought I was weird because all the pour over or aeropress recipes are like 15g coffee 300g water, and I'm more like 18g coffee to 130g water :p
Thanks. Yes, the low ratio makes sense for the cafe industry, where most online coffee advice originates. I don't have to turn a profit, so I drink what I like. Glad you've seen the light too :)
You can also increase the temperature on the robot by filling the basket full and weighting your output
Good point.
Brilliant, informative video. I really appreciate how you 'demystify' some of the 'coffeese speak' and make it easy to understand. I'm really impressed with your shots on the Robot - I have a Robot and a Niche, but struggle to get shots looking that good!
I've been considering trading the Niche up/down for a Option O mini, as the early reviews suggest that it's about equal for espresso, but gives greater clarity in the cup for filter.. be interested to know whether you're planning to review the Mini at any point?
Thanks. I will be reviewing the Mini, alongside the new Mazzer manual grinder as I think they might become direct competitors. The Mazzer hasn't been launched yet; look for that review in like 2 months time.
@@wiredgourmet Great - thanks! I've ordered the Mini and so will be able to do a direct comparison with the Niche when it arrives. If it lives up to the early hype then I should be able to sell the Niche relatively easily (and make my money back on the Mini!) - although the honest part of me knows that I'll find a reason to keep both... =-)
As a coffee noob, I do too. Entering the market of prosumer coffee is tough with all the lingo!
Amazing Video, the one point im curious about how easy is it to switch between pour over/espresso, thats the one thing the niche seemingly seems to be much better at.
Thanks. With no rotation counter, the Eureka is inconvenient; you have to remember where you parked it. The Niche is a breeze because Turkish to FP is about one full rotation. Way easier to dial in -- and repeat.
Hi, I just came back to this review after looking at it approx 12 months ago as I'm now trying to sort a new home grinder and these two grinders are still on my list. I would very much like your opinion of the Rancilio Stile in comparison to the Eureka Specialita & Niche Zero. I only do espresso and prefer body & texture above clarity and I use medium to dark roast beans. In relation to my preferred espresso flavour profile, I thought the Rancilio Stile might shine with its lower 1200 rpm compared to the higher rpm Eureka Specialita, although I know it's not just all about rpm. I probably sound like a Niche Zero candidate however they are so expensive here in Australia. Hope you can help and thanks for all your reviews. Cheers.
Thanks for this great comparison. I am looking for the answer of my question, can the Zero grind for turkish coffee? And how fine could you adjust it compare to Eureka?
Absolutely. You can keep turning the adjustment ring finer until the burrs begin to touch. Now, I did notice more clumping and retention than usual in the Turkish range, but the coffee itself was ground very nicely. Compared to the Eureka -- well, I have aligned the burrs on that one so it's now a little more consistent than the Zero at that fine size range. But out of the box, I would say the Zero worked a little better.
@@wiredgourmet Thank you very much for your really valuable input.
That is really unique to find someone who owns both, has interest in turkish coffee and has this analytical and evaluational skills, so thanks again.
I was having high hopes for the new single does specialita but after watching your review I am no longer considering it. I like the niche look more thank Eureka, but now as it is out of stock for long time I am not sure if I can wait.
My budget will only accommodate 1 of the grinders you've covered on this channel. If you could only buy one of NZ, ES or EOSDG, which would you choose?
Hello, I love your videos, thank you! Did you have the opportunity to compare the result in cup with a Mignon 55mm burrs and another one Mignon equipped with 65mm burrs. I will soon offer a companion to my NZ and I hesitate.
If possible, would you review the Sette 270? I'm caught between this and the Eureka Perfetto (or Specialita)
I will consider it; it fits what I'm doing here at WG pretty well. Prolly after 1 Jan, though.
Hello Mr Greene, thanks very much for your videos, have really appreciated those on the specialita, best reviews I've found! Curious as to whether you have any initial views on the Libra?
I will be reviewing the Libra in a few weeks time, so stay tuned.
@@wiredgourmet excellent! I bit the bullet and ordered one, it arrived from Italy today. Mixed views at best. Hoping that some of the defects in mine are anomalies and not widespread in the manufacturing process. Look forward to seeing your take.
I’m in a lucky position and have both grinders. First I got the specialita after all the reviews. Well I played and played and played but found it to be almost hopeless for Espresso grinding. Firstly the retention is higher than people let on. A good 4-6 grams of coffee every time I clean in and it needed the burrs balancing from the off. On it’s almost lowest setting just off burrs touching it will grind a dark roast with ok. And you can take it a little lower for a dark to medium and that’s about it. So this is now my filter grinder. Now the Niche zero. Totally different yes still a very little retention but next to nothing. As for the grind. Plenty to go at. Managed a complexed light roast and still has plenty room lower. But it’s definitely a espresso grinder as the top end will do filter but not a complexed grind. Others may be different but this is how I find them and I’m a normal human that has a passion for great coffee. Normal but OCD coffee. Lol
That's stupid, ye the retention after cleaning might be like 2-4 grams, you need always to 2grams to clean it but niche is the same, don't lie. 2grams after cleaning as well. Not to mention it has no flat burrs. And I got XL not specialita, but it's almost the same
Great video. What do you think about Mignon XL? I am trying to decide whether to take XL or Specialita? Is it worth paying 50% more? Initially I was planning on buying the new ORO SD but nobody knows when it will be avaiable, thus the question.
Thanks. The XL will grind faster than the Spet thanks to slightly larger burrs, but the Spet has proved itself as a great espresso grinder for the money, which the XL hasn't yet done. The XL's burr geometry might be as good or better or not as good, flavor-wise. I'd save money and go with the proven winner.
I went with XL for better burrs and build quality. Otherwise it's the same
Thanks for the video.
I own the Specialita for about 8 months now. I started noticing problems with it when I opened it to clean it. First I thought it was the misalignment and I fixed it but even now, I can only get my 20-25 second extraction when the burrs are touching each other. No one talked about this on RUclips and I don't know if that's normal or not. Where do you get your sweet spot?
The local dealer won't look at it as long as it's still grinding and running. So that's useless.
I rarely hear about problems with the Spet's adjustment. As you know mine is nicely aligned, so your mileage may vary, but I find the espresso sweet spot -- measurijng from where the burrs just touch -- at 3.5 marks to 4.5 marks from the touch point. Pourover is one revolution -- plus one or two marks -- coarser than that. Maybe check your alignment again using the whiteboard marker. Good luck.
@@wiredgourmet hello, I did the marker test when I installed the burrs and they were so much better than my old set. However I still hear an uneven sound when they're touching.
@@mohannadaljishi7196 Don't worry, that's normal for the tolerances we're dealing with here. It's never perfect, just better or worse.
thx... very nice. got both and very happy with em. Maybe its fair to talk about downsides also: hopper on eureka is cheap and plasticy. the niche zero got expensove im EU, due to brexit: payed about 750.- EUR, thats a lot. But fully agree: got combination for coffee needs.
Nobody has to upgrade to 1.500 EUR grinders, those two buddies work out fine!
greets from Germany,
Fx
Agree totally. I covered the Spet's "issues" in a single review about a year ago. Never did review the Niche on its own because it was old when I got it. But yeah, it's like an ideal combo. And welcome to the channel :)
I wanna buy both after watching yr video
Why not? We only live once...
How about a comparison with 1Zpresso?
Seconded, that would be awesome. While this comparison is great and I absolutely love how you go into detail in your videos, I prefer manual grinders for many reasons (price, portability, simplicity).
I'm planning to do that :)
Tempted with the SPECIALITA just waiting to c what the new single does is like but unlikely to be in my budget. I have what may sound like strange question. I will mainly use it for pour over but I also bake Turkish style coffee. Do you think the SPECIALITA can handle Turkish grind?
My Spet handles it nicely (I used it in my Turkish coffee vid, so you can judge it), but I did align the burrs in a diff howto video, and I can't recall if I did the Turkish one before or after the procedure. So I think it was Turkish capable out of the box, but not certain.
@@wiredgourmet thanks. Will checkout your other videos
@@wiredgourmet thanks. If your videos are in chronological order then the Turkish one was before :) feel lucky to have landed on a Turkish coffee lover
Question, how do you know that you are ramping to 7 bars on the robot when you don’t have the model with a pressure gauge?
Any grinder will work for drip or French press coffee but for espresso the Specialita is the best non-commercial grinder. I use a weigh scale and can make grind time adjustments in 1/10 second intervals to get the 17.5 grams I want for a double espresso for a range of coffee beans.
I do not use the portafilter holder as I like to have the coffee go uniformly around the bottom and then I distribute the ground coffee and then tamp. Grind time is from 8 to 9 seconds so trivial to make adjustments to get the grams of coffee in the portafilter.
I make 3-4 cups each morning for my wife and myself and using a Zero would add more time to no real gain in the quality of the coffee produced. We also have a 9x10 kitchen and limited counter space. The Specialita and a Bambino Plus take up as much space as we can afford to dedicate for making coffee.
Any coffee you make yourself is going to be greatly superior to what is available at a Starbuck's.
Do you find a difference between Eureka's 55mm burrs and their 65mm burrs, I mean when it comes to the result in cup (espresso)? Is it worth spending a little more and returning the 65mm wheels? (speed is not important to me).
They are very similar, hard to tell a difference at all. Specialita and Oro Zero user.
Beautifully done 😍 How about the DF64?
Thanks. The only problem with the DF is the company behind it. I can only afford so many grinders, and have to be really choosy. I'm reluctant to recommend one that's not backed by a known, reliable outfit (eg warranty issues, etc).
@@wiredgourmet The Niche also has that 'problem', but it has proven itself in the few years it is available. I never heard anything about something breaking or failing.
Hello. I may have missed something and I didn’t catch which grinder you preffered between these 2
I don't really have a preference. Both are good espresso grinders. The Zero would not be my choice for pourover, though.
How many clicks was the Niche Zero for espresso grind?
I found espresso to be in the 10 - 12 range on the dial. It's not clicky though. And you can recalibrate it yourself. If you're asking is there room to go finer for Turkish, or coarser for pourover, the answer is yes.
This is a great review. The only thing missing I’m trying to figure out is how loud they are comparatively!
They are both pretty quiet, the eureka I think sounds better
So quieter
Hi Sir. First of all,. Congratulations with your nice reviews. Like the non sense descriptions and comparisons. Could i ask you a question ? Trying to get rid of aluminium capsules. I drink moka pot " Bialetti " style coffee. For now , i would like to find a reasonable priced " like you said" good quality grinder for that purpose. Could you recommend me a eureka for that job ? perfetto ? Niche ? .. Greetings from Brussels - Belgium 🙏🇧🇪 Dirk
Thanks. The Niche is great but a bit more expensive. The Perfetto, Brew Pro, and Specialita would all work nicely with the Moka pot for a bit less money. Soon I will mount Brew Pro burrs in a Specialita so you might want to see that video before deciding. I should have it up in 2-3 weeks' time.
@@wiredgourmet 🙏🙏
I had a Specialita for about five months. Hated it, sold it for little over half of what I paid. High grind retention, due to the declumper (I dose into a dosing cup, and use WDT -- where D for me means declumping). Adjusting the grind is terrible. That tiny knob is not a multi-turn vernier dial, but rather a direct connection to the internals; one turn on that tiny dial goes from as fine to as coarse as it will get.
When I sold the Specialita, I dusted out my old Ascaso Imini I1, and modified it for single dose, low retention (0.1-0.2 gm / shot...I weigh the input and output for every shot.) A bit of work, using an artist's flat paintbrush to get all the grinds out.
Just ordered a Niche Zero, because I would like a grinder that's easier to use (to reduce retention), and is a lot younger than my 10+ year old Ascaso. (Which still runs like a champ.)
My advice: if you are going to buy a Eureka, go try it out (or ensure a great return policy) to see how you like it re: dialing in, and retention.
how do you find the zero now? how does it compare to the eureka?
@@davidh13 The Niche Zero is still a wonderful grinder. I am truly happy with it, and that I have probably the best home barista grinder. Cleaning and re-adjusting it is a breeze. I highly recommend the Niche Zero.
I want to add some more. A friend bought a Specialita to accompany her Rancilio espresso machine. (I was quite disappointed that she didn't ask me about the grinder before buying it.) Now she wants to get rid of all her espresso equipment and get a super-automatic.
@@BarryTrike you are pretty bullshitting
there is the DF64 low retention too
Honestly I'd like to buy Niche. But they don't ship to my country (Europe but not EU). Specialita, well there is one person smuggling them. Might as well try it.
Don't worry; even if you would prefer the Zero, the Spet is an excellent grinder, especially for the price. Enjoy!
Hi There,
Really love your channel, your Moka Pot video helped me no end.
In regards to these grinders, I already have a Commondante C40. I only use this for filter coffee at the moment but I want to get into espresso.
Which of the grinders in this video would you recommend to compliment it?
Well, the C40 is espresso capable. But if you still want an electric, the Specialita is about $200 cheaper than the Zero and every bit as good. So better value for money for sure.
Great stuff, thanks for the advice
Niche or specialita if I do filter coffee in addition to espresso ? Or should I get a dedicated grinder like baratza encore ?
They both grind for both types nicely. The Spet is appr 150 cheaper than the Zero, so maybe better value for money. I would definitely not get a dedicated device If I had either of those grinders.
@@wiredgourmet thank you for your expertise. Everything I’m reading advises against that. Baratza vario is also same price range as specialita, thoughts on which is better ?
@@bigby6023 specialita not great for going back and forth between brew methods in my opinion
affordable , except you are out of UK for the niche and the specialita are half of the price of the niche
I have a Specialita packed away in the basement because the shoot got clogged all the time. I finally took out the anti-clumping piece of crap but have been using the Niche for over 5 years now with no issues and minimum maintenance.
Didn’t the Niche come out in 2019?
Civilians!
I'll be disliked to hell but just want to point out that it's called and pronounced specialità not specialita , that stands for "speciality" in italian.
Yeah, it just sound really off to properly pronounce Italian words when you’re speaking english.
Just call them the correct name
Your videos make me glaze over and stop listening , you talk a lot of bollocks