I still cannot believe rockstar don't don't quickly call up battle eye and get the proton flag flipped. I get them not advertising a walk back, but going after valve seems like a bad idea. Steam is responsible for like 70% of rockstar's earnings. You would think they would be a higher priority.
Even though Rockstar has said that people should contact Valve about their games running on the Steam Deck, everyone should simply continue to spam Rockstar about the issue so they know full well what their stupid decision making results are.
@@doublevendetta all that rockstar needs to do is this: "Dear BattleEye, Please enable Linux Compatibility on our product GTA V Thank you, Rockstar Games."
Or not since the game was released 11 years ago… I’m more interested in will they support it with gta 6? GTA 5 is a fkn dinosaur I’m surprised people still play it tbh
@WakoDoodle Rockstar never advertised the game for Linux so they probably avoid all liability, even though it is dead simple for them to get it set up for Proton compatibility. That said, wonder if it has made some Deck users install Windows?
The Acer guy is probably correct. PC handhelds must be priced so aggressively to compete with the Deck, that the resulting profit margins are probably not worth the cost and risks associated with production. Valve makes their money selling games, not hardware. Hardware companies will never compete with them, at least on price. This is precisely why I want a Steam Console so badly. Valve can make a device priced and spec'd similarly to gaming consoles, but with the massive benefit of SteamOS. Gaming mode replaces your living room console, desktop mode replaces your PC. I already do this with a docked Steam Deck and the experience has been very good. It's time for Steam Machine 2.0
It's funny looking back. Steam Machines weren't bad, just too soon and basically dependent on "pls port ur game" You could probably pick one up for cheap, install some distro like Chimera or Bazzite and do to it what regular Linux does for old Windows devices
If Valve makes Steam Machine 2.0, they should be the only ones making the console not how they did for the 1.0 version. With so many vendors making their own Steam Machine with various specs, it's no surprise why it failed.
@@ryuno2097 100% agree. I thought it was insane they chose to go the third-party route with the original Steam Machine. First party, standardized hardware support from Valve is mandatory. I don't want to be dealing with Dell/Alienware because my SteamOS device is malfunctioning.
WOW... IMAGINE! Games used to be what sold consoles... not the other way around! Steam is just operating correctly, like the industry was YEARS ago. But now, the Industry is f$cking BACKWARDS, and they're selling consoles, and 5 games.
Acer, giving up before they even started. As someone that worked on Acer laptops. Yeah I'm not surprised. I would describe their products as high margins for their build quality. I would expect them to have similar build qualities as a steam deck but at $1,000. Swear I'm not bitter 😂
That's the thing. If their competitive edge was we're going to be able to sell you a cheaper handheld than at least that's reasonable. But if you're telling me you're not gonna be innovative, you're not gonna be interesting, you're not gonna be particularly powerful, and you're not gonna win at price, then what is you doin bby?
I believe they have a domestic advantage here far as retail. But unsure if they do in the local territory far as supply goes. Id argue that advantage goes away completely in comparison to Asus's. Most people don't realize how huge asus as a brand is. I feel the steamdeck was a scape goat here to some degree. Acer has the money to do larger orders for sure, but they've always been the stay slightly behind and rebrand/retool company historically. Typically their strength is pricing in comparison to the others. A monitor example of this Acer x34 vbmiiphuzx Alienware aw3423dw They rarely reinvent the wheel. They just kind of come in and then have the perception that they're a semi-reliable brand that's a little cheaper than competitors. (Think great value) For the profit margin they would want, they likely couldn't justify ordering enough for a volume discount. Because it would have to be cheaper than the ally nore than likely to gain notoriety. but they can't say that part, because than their failing to compete with asus. Soooo they blame the newcomer
I believe they have a domestic advantage here as far as retail. But unsure if they do in the local territory as far as supply goes. I'd argue that advantage goes away completely in comparison to Asus's. Most people don't realize how huge asus as a brand is,I feel the steamdeck was a scapegoat here to some degree. Acer has the money to do larger orders for sure, but they've always been the stay slightly behind and rebrand/retool company historically. Typically their strength is pricing in comparison to the others. A monitor example of this Acer x34 vbmiiphuzx Alienware aw3423dw They rarely reinvent the wheel, They just kind of come in and then have the perception that they're a semi-reliable brand that's a little cheaper than competitors. (Think great value) For the profit margin they would want, they likely couldn't justify ordering enough units for a volume discount. Because it would have to be cheaper than the ally more than likely to gain notoriety, but they can't say that part, because they would be failing to compete with asus. Soooo they blame the newcomer, the one with an entombment lead and price advantage (30% cut and all that)
I've tried explaining things multiple times. RUclips keeps deleting them... To simplify this quickly. The Steam deck is definitely a scapegoat and the real problem is the asus rog Ally, But they can't admit that.
I'm honestly pissed about the battleeye update. I have 2 GTA Online accounts and I would play one account on my steam deck while my cousin who does long distance trucking would come home every few weeks and would play with my alt on my main PC. Now I don't have a good way to play with him
It sucks you'd even have to do it at all but installing and dual booting windows is easy and free (with a watermark on the desktop is all). It's no excuse though, R* are being jerks for no reason.
@@barrymchawkenhugh2696 dual booting with windows has been very rocky lately, a lot of the time windows will bork your linux install if its on the same drive. some people may not have issues but a lot of others are
I'm in Australia and have already bought the OG and OLED Steam Decks, but that's because they were grey imports. Will be cool to have the Deck officially sold and supporting Australia finally.
Yeah, got mine on kogan. Paid out the ass for it but don't regret it one bit. Going to pax this year and hopefully people are able to get it here. Just wishing they had a steam booth last year and that they sold it there too.
@@REAL-UNKNOWN-SHINOBI You really shouldnt be. They still want the money out of us, its just prioritized under everyone/everything else. We'll probably have in in 2028.
@@REAL-UNKNOWN-SHINOBI honestly screw that game. If its actually that good, then it is what it is. If not, well...good on me. I can save my attention to somewhere else.
Rockstar is a DOGSHIT company for playing the "not supported" card, all they need to do is contact BattlEye and badda bing badda boom we can play GTA:O again. But no, they tell the user to contact Valve instead. That is just bad, sad and disgusting at the same time from a company this big.
Bro, if I can have part of my Steam library on my phone, that would be a total win, even if my under-powered PoS couldn't run the games, the fact that phones can run our library is just a W for PC gaming.
there are at least 30 years of great games that even a cheap modern phone could run perfectly fine with this. not everything is about the newest and latest.
Regarding the pricing advantages for Valve, something else to remember is that Valve only sells direct to consumer and doesn't have to give a middle man like Best Buy or other retailer a cut of the sales price. That's a pretty substantial advantage.
I mean thats not helping valve it’s only hurting them. If they had them in stores they’d sell way more and still profit plenty. In fact id argue you’d get people wanting to buy products from your website more if you got them into the base in the first place
@@Tampafan33I don't think Valve has the capacity to meet the demands if they do that. They're not a hardware company, the deck is built on contract by a third party. The bigger the number, the bigger the risk producing something you can't really control.
Thats not an advantage considering entire countries cant get a steamdeck. Shelf space is a BIG thing for physical products. Ask your average person who doesnt game what "Steam" is and they'll give you a blank stare. Ask them what "Xbox" and "Playstation" are and they'll point to the respective boxes.
If Acer wants to say that Valve’s pricing for its handheld is too cheap, that’s on them. They already distribute hardware, so they could compete if they wanted to 🤷 It just comes off as greed…they’re more focused on making a big profit than caring about consumers unlike Steam/Valve
@@lost4468yt Nobody expects to play games on a Mac. Even Mac users know that. I'm a Mac user myself and I have a Windows desktop that only ever gets turned on when I want to play something AAA and every single gamer I know that are primarily Mac users are the same. There is a vanishingly tiny number of gamers that only play on Macs and they mostly play indies like Stardew or Rimworld. What this will really do for Mac users is that they won't buy Steam Decks anymore since their Apple Silicon Macs would be able to play whatever the Steam Deck can.
@@FluffyAnvil *shrug* I replaced my Switch with a Steam Deck but if I can play those games on my Macbook instead, I wouldn't be bringing my Steam Deck at all considering how bulky it is. Most people who carry Steam Decks are people who don't daily carry a laptop at all or daily carry a laptop that isn't meant to play games on. Sure, they're different form factors but convenience is very important for a portable and most people would prefer not to spend for a Steam Deck that they would also have to carry around if their daily carry computer would be able to play those games anyway.
@@Poo0fi except they do? Steam's own data shows significant numbers of players on Intel Macs still. Are you actually trying to suggest that Apple did this out of charity or something? They did it to sell more. They're a private company, you realise that their business model is to sell games and take a cut?
@@hueypautonoman i wouldn't think this would work on windows, as the deck is linux based and would be trying to use linux files to run it which wouldn't exist on windows. i'm not at all an expert, so this is just a guess
@@thatoneannoyingtornadosire8755 Maybe. SteamDeck=1 is just an environment variable that tells steam to use whatever settings the game devs have enabled for the steam deck. It really depends on what the devs have done. They might use Linux-specific code or might not. We don't really have any way of knowing. I also don't know how environment variables work on Windows. I would guess they don't use the same syntax.
Arm based Steam Phone is coming (in 5+ years) maybe? Portrait mode also coming to SteamOS, with a new area of Steam dedicated Android games and apps, perhaps?
Thanks for putting the names of the games shown on screen. Too often I see an interesting title, and I'm left scrambling to find out what it's called. There's a few here I wasn't aware of. My wishlist has grown.
You broke the news to me about proton on ARM and I am SO HYPE. I dunno if you recall, but we were talking about this on the nerd nest podcast Livestream MONTHS ago. WE KNEW this was the next step.
Dude it feels like this opens up so many future possibilities. Like sure x64 to ARM is not great right now but if offers a path forward. Pretty exciting times!
@@FanTheDeck I think the most important thing here is the fact that Proton effectively translates DirectX to Vulkan as one of its largest components, and that several modern ARM chipsets support Vulkan as an API natively, so instead of having to translate an instruction set to an entirely different instruction set it may be a simple case of translating a CALL to a native instruction set EQUIVALENT, with a lot less overhead.
I saw Waydroid and I'm like, "what???" Waydroid is a Linux app to make ARM games playable natively on Linux (on x86-64 processors) via libhoudini (better for Intel) or libndk (better for AMD) translation layers, not the other way around. And I'm not entirely sure ARM processors are capable enough to run x86-64 games via translation layer, with exceptions of a few indie games. To me it looks more like Steam wants the Steam Deck to natively support ARM games, which would allow them to woo mobile games and gamers away from Play Store, and into the Steam ecosystem. *I might be wrong, but that makes more sense to me.
@@yahlov the biggest 2230 SSD, that I know of, is 2TB and it’s about $200. If the Steam Deck could use a 2280 SSD I could get a better 4TB SSD for around the same price. 4TB would be enough for me though. I could install everything and have like 500GB partitioned off for Windows 11. Hopefully the Steam Deck 2 includes that.
Proton on ARM has got me insanely stoked! This could be wayyyy bigger than we think it is. Deckard would be fantastic and I will probably jump Meta ship to there if it comes.
Proton on arm is pretty a pretty obvious step forward. They get acces to sell games on Android, Chrome OS, Mac and a bunch of more arm powered platforms.
To make a big market need to do the work, what steam and other are doing, but Acer handheld was little to late with them in the handheld space, if it was 32GB or ram then 16GB then then would be something other then Asus Rog with more rams would been somthing.
I fear that Rockstar's move is going to set a precedent for other big companies to snub the Valve and Steam Deck. If a big company like Rockstar can do that, what's to stop other companies, big or small, from doing that. There were already hostilities toward the Steam Deck from many companies, and Rockstar is like Archduke Ferdinand getting shot to kick off a war.
I imagine they might be worried about the retail costs and volume of sales. You guys have really high import tariffs for electronics right? I'm, sure there would be demand either way, but maybe they just don't think they can push enough volume.
@@CheezMonsterCrazy high import tariffs would be an understatement but a lot of people here would buy either way, since the second best option is buying a steam deck second-hand or building a pc.
@@CheezMonsterCrazy of course there's a LOT of burocracy to import products here, but IDK, Brazil is a big market for games and things related. Steam Deck already have a good presence here, and a big advantage over other PC handhelds: the lower price. Asus and Lenovo brought their handhelds to out market, and they cost around double the price compared to Deck's on our gray market. There's a lot of people here wanting a Steam Deck, but not making the move for the lack of warranty and local support. Valve could be a real player here, but I know they must have a lot to consider on a move like this...
To be fair I got mine from Mercado Livre and it's been great. I do understand that the lack of official support means no RMA in case of issues. But for the price of a low/mid-spec laptop, I'd still recommend it if you have the disposable income.
4:14 IMO the ROG Ally X is the king of the hill right now. The Steam Deck has a lot going for it. But in game, the ROG Ally X performs slightly better and is compatible with my entire library. I still play my OG Steam Deck quite a bit, but the hardware on the newer Ally X is noticeable snappier. Steam Deck 2 will probably obliterate the competition, but for now they’re close.
The Rog Ally X isn't slightly better performing, it's massively better in terms of performance. AAA Games that are unplayable on Steam Deck due to lack of performance, play well on the Rog Ally X. I left the Steam Deck for this very reason.
Psp was a decent success i loved my psp when i had it. The difficulty nowadays itrehe spec requirements for a good handheld while allowing for untethered gameplay not needin to be connect to the powsr outlet for most of your gaming sessions. Steam has a good library as long as they can solve battery problems handhelds woulda been #1 device.
Sony are only "remastering" these games for consoles, but their added benefit is that they get to remove the originals on PC just so they can outright enforce PSN across the board on Steam/EGS. They basically want to capture and lockdown the Steam market and pocket it into their ecosystem, none of which we asked for. This is why I hate when publishers come crawling to Steam, because they only care about stealing from Steam's userbase, rather than selling to Steam users and playing nice. Instead it's DRM/account sign-up/Data collection enforcements, coupled with higher prices, and all of that is enough to put me off buying from any publisher that comes to Steam and expects me to put up with all that uneeded crap. Just sell me the game at a decent price, no data collection, no extra hoops to jump through. let me boot up the god damn game so I can play it without obstructions/intrusions.
Sony and Konami really do love region locking, I mentioned Konami because they still won't release metal gear rising revengeance in my country because we weren't going the target market at launch despite releasing every other metal gear game since, even survive
@@archyatis its arm, but its not exactly the same general arm, it has a bunch of custom instructions, so no, probably wont work, or if it did, the performance would be trash because said custom instructions were made by apple to make their arm implementation be faster than others
Ugg. I still hate Sony for not making a Days Gone 2. Hopefully the remastered is a good sign that they might change their mind. It’s one of the few games I’ve every Plantanum and actually wanted more. If they are doing a remaster. I wish they would add content. More missions, fleshed out bases. The game is so good, but at the same time, it felt unfinished. Like you could see the potential off a huge open wold MMO type game, and that would have been chiefs kiss. Instead of making these horrible new IPS, they should have really rebooted this franchise.
I feel like Valve would definitely sell alot of steam decks here in Australia but alot of us already have imported Decks 🤣 this however is still exciting to see if valve do release them here in AUS, hopefully it means others won't have to buy them at insane prices like $900+
getting a steamdeck in australia was already possible, it was just a bit expensive due to import fees and you had to be careful which one you got since our electrical system is 240 volts which the US charger wont be able to handle
If Proton (ARM) releases in a competent and feature-full state, that would mean major strides being made in battery life for future ARM iterations of devices like the Steam Deck, which would be huge. Currently getting anywhere from as little as 30 minutes to as much as 8 hours of on-screen-time on the Deck, depending on game/workload, is rough. Switching to ARM, even with the same battery capacity, could see those numbers change to anywhere from 90 minutes at minimum (though that's a generous minimum, assuming other hardware stays mostly the same) to as high up as about 14 hours with lite gaming. The future looks good for handheld gaming, and I'm here for it. I'm not even upset in the least about being a "beta tester" for Deck V1; it's been a wild and exciting ride, and I have loved every second of using my Deck.
2:56 I think what kicked off low price point was a Switch. There is no point to get out a gaming handheld that will 2-times more expensive than Switch. That is probably why middle class Steam Deck is for 512€ and low memory version is for 416€.
I think you're under estimating Valve's relations. They have a footing in hardware, they have for a long time and they have their own manufacturing capacity. I wouldn't be surprised that they do have relations with chip makers.
Valve can offer a lower price because they don't have to pay Microsoft for licencing Windows. A Windows licence usually adds $100 to the cost of the device.
That screenshot also shows something that reads as waydroid, which is a way to run android applications in a linux environment. That needs at least a special kernel module. I really like to be able to run android applications on Linux. Maybe that would be a way to view bimx files on the steam deck.
Yes, it's a little complicated to explain entirely in a video but the point is they're using multiple different compatibility tools for different purposes and all of them are to beef up Linux compatibility: Waydroid -> Makes it possible to play AndroidARM games on LinuxARM Proton -> Makes it possible to play Win-x86 games on Linux-x86 ProtonARM -> Makes it possible to play WinARM and Win-x86 games on LinuxARM And it gets deeper than that because Proton is a fork of WINE and ProtonARM seems to be leveraging FEX. WINE itself has updates that address WindowsARM to LinuxARM compatibility. We haven't seen any source code for ProtonARM so could it be a fork of like Box86/Box64 or something? And what about making games playable on AndroidARM? Are they going to do that too? Lots of questions still left to answer.
There is definitely a market for handhelds, PC handleds are relatively "new" (Nvidia started it, gpd and ayaneo were keeping it alive, steam brought it to its golden age) but none of these PC/laptop manufactures will ever do console let alone steamdeck, psp, or switch numbers because they all have one thing in common, they all sell at a major loss because they have exclusive/games and/or a digital store they take a cut off all game sells (like apple and Google with apps). Valve can afford to take a loss cause they'll make it back on the 30% Percent they make back on all game sales on their store front, and guess who just bought some games, a new steam deck owner or really any PC handheld owner, it's why steam they have so many sales. People buy more when their are deals vs none. Acer, Asus, Lenovo have to sell these devices and laptop prices or they won't make any money back, their income is purely from the hardware sale not games or software sales. I hope with all these new handheld it doesn't set the precedent for more store fronts.
Edit: lol, it's for VR, not some sort of steamdeck with ARM. Every tech hipster loves to hype up arm, and then you remember that the moment you need to run compatibility layer for x86 programs all of the so called advantages get down the drain. Makes me laugh how arm predates even x86/x86_64. As well as how memory leaks are doubled on arm devices when you try to make them "the next x86" because some AI Bro told them it's totally gonna work.
@@infini_ryu9461 sure but there's all of the BS pushing ARM specifically for AI, see NVIDIA and their blogposts that read like some manic schizo at some point,
You are a noble, and a very humble RUclipsr within the steam deck community. Very professional, addressing the news for steam deck users regardless if you play the game or not. I can’t say the same for Jimmy Champane. I hate to bring the guy down so much, but he really rubbed me the wrong way with how he addressed me for saying that he could’ve potentially forgot to mention - his response was to not be like the rest of the RUclipsrs. It’s steam deck news, no?
I think it's main target is not VR but MacOS. Not sure if you are aware but there are 3 big groups working in this. Primarily it is the Wine community where Proton is based from. Second is Proton itself that's coming from Valve. And lastly, Crossover from the Codeweaver group that's primarily working on it on ARM support. But since it is opensource we should be expecting ports from it soon. Mainly from the mobile phone and VR also. Android today can already play PC x86 games thru emulators. AFAIK I can already see a playable Fallout 4. This should give me reason to buy foldable devices soon 😆
I think proton on arm is prepare for a potential arm steam deck. Could be a customized chip from Qualcomm. Lets say valve get Qualcomm to replace the npu on snapdragon x plus/elite to more gpu cores. With a great translation layer like proton, it could be best of both worlds. Battery life + Performance.
Ok, as a new viewer can I suggest a graphic during your summary maybe say “coming news”. I wasn’t sure if you were just quickly going over news or what.
That acer handheld would've flopped if they went through with it. The symmetrical lined up button and stick layout would've been So Uncomfortable. Same problem as the Switch Nitrodeck, the right stick is in such an uncomfortable position if the buttons are directly on top of it, instead of slightly further out like most typical console or pc controllers.
The proton for arm is confirmed to be for the deckard vr headset, which will likely be able to play flatscreen games on the go like the steam deck but with a huge screen.
Single Board Computers such as Raspberry Pis and Orange Pis use ARM so that is very good news for ARM and SBC users. Valve should really push hard for these SBCs.
On android we alrdy have a few apps that lets you run pc games thru wine like winlator and mobox and they can run games like GTA V, Fallout 4 at full speed, so full steam support for arm devices like android is definetly possible. So far the biggest problem with them is they heat up the device quickly because can't take full advantage of the system. Modern high end androids in theory alrdy have more power than a i5 10th gen + gtx 1060 combo.
Proton on ARM is crazy. I don't think it's going to be a phone, but maybe a more efficient future device. But I suppose the cheap (retro)handheld space like Retroid and Ambernic will gobble that up and hopefully succeed where ASUS and others failed. Also, the Hololive RP server was hilarious.
I believe Valve is getting ready for ARM because except computers, almost everything runs on ARM and there'll be much more devices with ARM and ARM is getting better everyday with their GPUs. And no, this probably not for phones but more for ARM Linux and Windows devices on the future. Also, this can be a move to redirect the handheld market to move forward with ARM because they are also adding support for other devices like Ally to SteamOS and this might be it because ARM is simply better at power consumption than x86 in many cases so it's actually better for handheld devices to come with it.
Acer gives up because they don't have a software platform that makes it usable. They should work together with Valve. But it is very hard to beat Valve, as they got to a very very good pricepoint. Valve did give anyone a chance to enter the PC console market, but we can see what happened to the steam machine. I think Alienware was the only one that did try to add support for their specific hardware. The Zotac SN970 however (my steam machine) really isn't impressive in terms of support. All they needed to do is do BIOS updates to fix some ACPI problems. I am very happy that after the HTC Vive, Valve decided to do it better with the Index. And with that knowledge also did it better than the steamboy/Smach Z and every other PC console manufacturer that was not interested in fixing BIOS or ACPI tables. (ACPI tables describe and operates the specific hardware layout used with the generic chipsets used. It actually contains bytecode software.)
I'm hoping that Valve releases a Steam Deck Lite that is designed to be pocketable. It's okay if the performance is weaker and is only aimed at older games and indies. IMO it should also do away with the thumbsticks and maybe also the trackpads for the sake of pocketability. Perhaps that's what the ARM support is for.
Valve shouldn't even bother with steam deck here in Australia unless what they launch is the steam deck 2 with the nice new AMD strix halo chip and allow us to use our own SSD's like other handhelds do.
The handheld market is huge (if you add smartphones); Nintendo should *not* have the gaming hardware space unopposed -- especially post-Switch. PC makers should really get in that handheld market to force Nintendo to step up -- and I'm speaking as a lifelong Nintendo fan who's OK w/their shitty hardware specs.
I have confidence Valve will actually give refunds to anyone who bought GTAV just to play it on Steam Deck. To those people, the game is now broken, and Rockstar is responsible for that. I doubt you'll get a refund if you've had the game for several years, but if you got it after you purchased a Steam Deck, there is a decent chance Valve will take your side.
On the topic of the Steam Deck. Considering Valve are dependent on the Steam Store to make up for their losses from the Steam Deck, they have put very little effort on it's usability on SteamOS gaming mode. For close to a year, I couldn't even checkout when trying to buy a game because it kept spitting out errors, and issues with navigation still persisted the last time I checked.
@@jeremiahjohnson2784 I've reimaged multiple times. Hardware defects don't exclusively cause checkout issues lmao. It was a software issue that's probably been fixed. But the store itself is still designed poorly for use with a controller.
about half life alyx. The source 2 engine has support for arm built in thanks to the work that was done on dota Underlords which was a game that was released on mobile and its using the s2 engine your phone
Brother you can’t imagine what hoops I had to go to get the steamdeck in Australia for a non crazy price. I just hope this means they don’t hate us anymore 😂
Naw i think that Acer exec is reasonable, valve is ultimately selling closer to the traditional console model, so by being a unique presence that doesnt need to worry about major profits on initial sale, they can capture the already fairly niche "handheld pc" market, at a price that can also catch the less niche "cheap pc gamer" but that second more popular one, even theyd likely PREFER to buy a laptop or desktop, its just steam deck is a VERY good value proposition that others just cant quite meet
Rockstar and Acer are both running the Any% for annoying Deck owners. Who won this week?
Rockstar. Cheaters aren't a reasonable excuse to stop normal players from playing a game they spent money on.
@@snowythecolaaddict well i watched my friend. online was after 1day infested with cheaters. xD
Sony with their mandatory PSN account BS.
I still cannot believe rockstar don't don't quickly call up battle eye and get the proton flag flipped. I get them not advertising a walk back, but going after valve seems like a bad idea. Steam is responsible for like 70% of rockstar's earnings. You would think they would be a higher priority.
@@snowythecolaaddictSomething tells me gta6 will be a epic exclusive for a while or they are gonna sell it on their own launcher.
Even though Rockstar has said that people should contact Valve about their games running on the Steam Deck, everyone should simply continue to spam Rockstar about the issue so they know full well what their stupid decision making results are.
It's definitely Rockstar's fault. The DRM they're using does indeed support Linux. Rockstar has simply chosen the asshole option.
@@Pikminiman The worst part is all they have to do is CONTACT BATTLEEYE, and they would do a good chunk of the heavy lifting for them.
Valve should just ban Rockstar games from Steam.
@@doublevendetta all that rockstar needs to do is this:
"Dear BattleEye,
Please enable Linux Compatibility on our product GTA V
Thank you, Rockstar Games."
Or not since the game was released 11 years ago… I’m more interested in will they support it with gta 6? GTA 5 is a fkn dinosaur I’m surprised people still play it tbh
Rockstars fault for not checking "Linux Support" box for BattlEye, All of the anticheats support Linux, its up to the dev to enable it.
Not Valorant though... I wish it did.
@@noticiasinmundicias because it's a kernel level anticheat specfically designed for the NT kernel.
It's not that simple lol
@@xXlURMOMlXx and how would you know?
have you made a game which has battleye in the last few years?
@@Tracenji cause it isn't that simple. 😂
Valves customer service is so good, they're going to support competitors.
They aren't issuing refunds to everyone.
yeah, come on rockstar! Give us refunds!
Valve does, why don't you?!
Or they're going to go ARM, switch style.
@WakoDoodle Rockstar never advertised the game for Linux so they probably avoid all liability, even though it is dead simple for them to get it set up for Proton compatibility.
That said, wonder if it has made some Deck users install Windows?
Valve ain’t giving me my refund
The Acer guy is probably correct. PC handhelds must be priced so aggressively to compete with the Deck, that the resulting profit margins are probably not worth the cost and risks associated with production. Valve makes their money selling games, not hardware. Hardware companies will never compete with them, at least on price.
This is precisely why I want a Steam Console so badly. Valve can make a device priced and spec'd similarly to gaming consoles, but with the massive benefit of SteamOS. Gaming mode replaces your living room console, desktop mode replaces your PC. I already do this with a docked Steam Deck and the experience has been very good. It's time for Steam Machine 2.0
It's funny looking back. Steam Machines weren't bad, just too soon and basically dependent on "pls port ur game"
You could probably pick one up for cheap, install some distro like Chimera or Bazzite and do to it what regular Linux does for old Windows devices
If Valve makes Steam Machine 2.0, they should be the only ones making the console not how they did for the 1.0 version. With so many vendors making their own Steam Machine with various specs, it's no surprise why it failed.
i don't care for a steam console, but man with today's market that would be the best console. xbox and ps are in the dumps.
@@ryuno2097 100% agree. I thought it was insane they chose to go the third-party route with the original Steam Machine. First party, standardized hardware support from Valve is mandatory. I don't want to be dealing with Dell/Alienware because my SteamOS device is malfunctioning.
WOW... IMAGINE!
Games used to be what sold consoles... not the other way around!
Steam is just operating correctly, like the industry was YEARS ago.
But now, the Industry is f$cking BACKWARDS, and they're selling consoles, and 5 games.
Acer, giving up before they even started. As someone that worked on Acer laptops. Yeah I'm not surprised. I would describe their products as high margins for their build quality. I would expect them to have similar build qualities as a steam deck but at $1,000. Swear I'm not bitter 😂
That's the thing. If their competitive edge was we're going to be able to sell you a cheaper handheld than at least that's reasonable. But if you're telling me you're not gonna be innovative, you're not gonna be interesting, you're not gonna be particularly powerful, and you're not gonna win at price, then what is you doin bby?
I believe they have a domestic advantage here far as retail. But unsure if they do in the local territory far as supply goes. Id argue that advantage goes away completely in comparison to Asus's.
Most people don't realize how huge asus as a brand is.
I feel the steamdeck was a scape goat here to some degree.
Acer has the money to do larger orders for sure, but they've always been the stay slightly behind and rebrand/retool company historically. Typically their strength is pricing in comparison to the others.
A monitor example of this
Acer x34 vbmiiphuzx
Alienware aw3423dw
They rarely reinvent the wheel.
They just kind of come in and then have the perception that they're a semi-reliable brand that's a little cheaper than competitors. (Think great value) For the profit margin they would want, they likely couldn't justify ordering enough for a volume discount. Because it would have to be cheaper than the ally nore than likely to gain notoriety.
but they can't say that part, because than their failing to compete with asus.
Soooo they blame the newcomer
I believe they have a domestic advantage here as far as retail. But unsure if they do in the local territory as far as supply goes. I'd argue that advantage goes away completely in comparison to Asus's.
Most people don't realize how huge asus as a brand is,I feel the steamdeck was a scapegoat here to some degree.
Acer has the money to do larger orders for sure, but they've always been the stay slightly behind and rebrand/retool company historically. Typically their strength is pricing in comparison to the others. A monitor example of this
Acer x34 vbmiiphuzx
Alienware aw3423dw
They rarely reinvent the wheel, They just kind of come in and then have the perception that they're a semi-reliable brand that's a little cheaper than competitors. (Think great value) For the profit margin they would want, they likely couldn't justify ordering enough units for a volume discount.
Because it would have to be cheaper than the ally more than likely to gain notoriety, but they can't say that part, because they would be failing to compete with asus.
Soooo they blame the newcomer, the one with an entombment lead and price advantage (30% cut and all that)
also see their tiny netbooks for a history of jumping into aq market
I've tried explaining things multiple times. RUclips keeps deleting them... To simplify this quickly. The Steam deck is definitely a scapegoat and the real problem is the asus rog Ally, But they can't admit that.
I'm honestly pissed about the battleeye update. I have 2 GTA Online accounts and I would play one account on my steam deck while my cousin who does long distance trucking would come home every few weeks and would play with my alt on my main PC. Now I don't have a good way to play with him
It sucks you'd even have to do it at all but installing and dual booting windows is easy and free (with a watermark on the desktop is all). It's no excuse though, R* are being jerks for no reason.
@@barrymchawkenhugh2696 There are windows activation tools that you can use in the command prompt.
Really quick, easy and safe 👍
@@barrymchawkenhugh2696 dual booting with windows has been very rocky lately, a lot of the time windows will bork your linux install if its on the same drive.
some people may not have issues but a lot of others are
I'm in Australia and have already bought the OG and OLED Steam Decks, but that's because they were grey imports. Will be cool to have the Deck officially sold and supporting Australia finally.
Yeah, got mine on kogan. Paid out the ass for it but don't regret it one bit. Going to pax this year and hopefully people are able to get it here. Just wishing they had a steam booth last year and that they sold it there too.
I just need them to come to SEA
Yeah I'll be mad if it's a bunch cheaper. Just got my OLED after waiting and giving up on valve ever giving us an official release.
@@stormwarning6219 so your mad that Valve it makes it more accessible to purchase?
Same i got my OLED from Kogan.
Rockstar barely supports PC sometimes. Not supporting SteamDeck or Linux is pretty much par for the course with Rockstar
That doesn't mean we should be okay with it
@@garrettrinquest1605 We shouldn't be ok with it, but we also shouldn't be too surprised.
This makes me kind of afraid that GTA 6 won't actually release on PC ever.
@@REAL-UNKNOWN-SHINOBI You really shouldnt be.
They still want the money out of us, its just prioritized under everyone/everything else.
We'll probably have in in 2028.
@@REAL-UNKNOWN-SHINOBI honestly screw that game. If its actually that good, then it is what it is. If not, well...good on me. I can save my attention to somewhere else.
Rockstar is a DOGSHIT company for playing the "not supported" card, all they need to do is contact BattlEye and badda bing badda boom we can play GTA:O again.
But no, they tell the user to contact Valve instead. That is just bad, sad and disgusting at the same time from a company this big.
Bet you will still preoder GTA 6 once it is available
Bro, if I can have part of my Steam library on my phone, that would be a total win, even if my under-powered PoS couldn't run the games, the fact that phones can run our library is just a W for PC gaming.
there are at least 30 years of great games that even a cheap modern phone could run perfectly fine with this. not everything is about the newest and latest.
A couple smaller puzzles games in my steam library on my phone would be so great.
switch emulation on android is very viable remove the translation layer of switch and it's even better
I beat fallout 3 on mine
@@vaporware666 ttw? work or nah
Regarding the pricing advantages for Valve, something else to remember is that Valve only sells direct to consumer and doesn't have to give a middle man like Best Buy or other retailer a cut of the sales price. That's a pretty substantial advantage.
I mean thats not helping valve it’s only hurting them. If they had them in stores they’d sell way more and still profit plenty. In fact id argue you’d get people wanting to buy products from your website more if you got them into the base in the first place
@@Tampafan33I don't think Valve has the capacity to meet the demands if they do that. They're not a hardware company, the deck is built on contract by a third party. The bigger the number, the bigger the risk producing something you can't really control.
Thats not an advantage considering entire countries cant get a steamdeck. Shelf space is a BIG thing for physical products. Ask your average person who doesnt game what "Steam" is and they'll give you a blank stare. Ask them what "Xbox" and "Playstation" are and they'll point to the respective boxes.
If Acer wants to say that Valve’s pricing for its handheld is too cheap, that’s on them. They already distribute hardware, so they could compete if they wanted to 🤷 It just comes off as greed…they’re more focused on making a big profit than caring about consumers unlike Steam/Valve
Yeah, it's greed, and not because Valve is earning from selling games from other companies and have glorified casino called Dota 2, TF2 and CS2.
Steam lending a hand to Apple here. Proton on ARM means games you can play on Steam Deck you'll be able to play Apple Silicon Macs.
Lending a hand to themselves. Apple users being able to play means more customers, means more sales, means more money.
@@lost4468yt Nobody expects to play games on a Mac. Even Mac users know that. I'm a Mac user myself and I have a Windows desktop that only ever gets turned on when I want to play something AAA and every single gamer I know that are primarily Mac users are the same. There is a vanishingly tiny number of gamers that only play on Macs and they mostly play indies like Stardew or Rimworld.
What this will really do for Mac users is that they won't buy Steam Decks anymore since their Apple Silicon Macs would be able to play whatever the Steam Deck can.
@@Poo0fiIncredibly shortsighted… and yes of course the choice is between a mac and a steamdeck *facepalm*
@@FluffyAnvil *shrug* I replaced my Switch with a Steam Deck but if I can play those games on my Macbook instead, I wouldn't be bringing my Steam Deck at all considering how bulky it is.
Most people who carry Steam Decks are people who don't daily carry a laptop at all or daily carry a laptop that isn't meant to play games on. Sure, they're different form factors but convenience is very important for a portable and most people would prefer not to spend for a Steam Deck that they would also have to carry around if their daily carry computer would be able to play those games anyway.
@@Poo0fi except they do? Steam's own data shows significant numbers of players on Intel Macs still. Are you actually trying to suggest that Apple did this out of charity or something? They did it to sell more. They're a private company, you realise that their business model is to sell games and take a cut?
try using launch settings like SteamDeck=1, You can force some games to think your computer is steam deck.
I know for sure this works on Linux, but does it work on Windows too?
Wait are you able to play GTAO with this option on the steam deck??
@@nathanielmestas7755 No, you can't. Rockstar blocked Linux on their end. There's nothing you can do.
@@hueypautonoman i wouldn't think this would work on windows, as the deck is linux based and would be trying to use linux files to run it which wouldn't exist on windows.
i'm not at all an expert, so this is just a guess
@@thatoneannoyingtornadosire8755 Maybe. SteamDeck=1 is just an environment variable that tells steam to use whatever settings the game devs have enabled for the steam deck. It really depends on what the devs have done. They might use Linux-specific code or might not. We don't really have any way of knowing.
I also don't know how environment variables work on Windows. I would guess they don't use the same syntax.
Arm based Steam Phone is coming (in 5+ years) maybe? Portrait mode also coming to SteamOS, with a new area of Steam dedicated Android games and apps, perhaps?
Steam On Snapdragon would be OP.
Hmm probably just steam deck 2 on arm if i had to guess
@@runnerup15or maybe deckard
Steam APP on android actually installing games in your library would be crazy.
Cant wait for portrait mode
Rockstar could get it fixed very quickly, by registering it for the Proton BattlEye runtime.
Thanks for putting the names of the games shown on screen. Too often I see an interesting title, and I'm left scrambling to find out what it's called. There's a few here I wasn't aware of. My wishlist has grown.
You broke the news to me about proton on ARM and I am SO HYPE.
I dunno if you recall, but we were talking about this on the nerd nest podcast Livestream MONTHS ago.
WE KNEW this was the next step.
Dude it feels like this opens up so many future possibilities. Like sure x64 to ARM is not great right now but if offers a path forward. Pretty exciting times!
@@FanTheDeck I think the most important thing here is the fact that Proton effectively translates DirectX to Vulkan as one of its largest components, and that several modern ARM chipsets support Vulkan as an API natively, so instead of having to translate an instruction set to an entirely different instruction set it may be a simple case of translating a CALL to a native instruction set EQUIVALENT, with a lot less overhead.
@bluebroham It's what @FanTheDeck didn't say -he doesn't remember you, the conversation was only memorable from your end.
@@stewartdahamman2472 It happens, we're busy guys. 😊
Sounds like the Acer handheld didn't pass the Contra test before launching :D
Valve just keep being awesome please. You're the shining becon in this dark time for gaming.
I saw Waydroid and I'm like, "what???"
Waydroid is a Linux app to make ARM games playable natively on Linux (on x86-64 processors) via libhoudini (better for Intel) or libndk (better for AMD) translation layers, not the other way around. And I'm not entirely sure ARM processors are capable enough to run x86-64 games via translation layer, with exceptions of a few indie games.
To me it looks more like Steam wants the Steam Deck to natively support ARM games, which would allow them to woo mobile games and gamers away from Play Store, and into the Steam ecosystem.
*I might be wrong, but that makes more sense to me.
would be nice playstore is shit
@lorddeus369 Play Store?
You mean Google as a whole; they've only gotten worse over time.
(Android user since its inception btw)
Actually they probably wanna get onto supporting arm laptops and computers that have been coming recently.
Yknow, snapdragon X? Arm MacBooks
If it means I can run any apk then let's goooooo
I wonder if the Proton ARM project was started because of the ARM laptops.
Seems the most likely to me. I wouldn't be surprised if we can lay the blame at the feet of Apple rather than Microsoft.
best part of acer as the full size ssd.
why? isn't 4tb enough?
@@yahlov 2280 drives are way cheaper than 2230.
@@koerel Not only cheaper, but less likely to be forced to use QLC NAND after a certain point due to density constraints
@@yahlov the biggest 2230 SSD, that I know of, is 2TB and it’s about $200. If the Steam Deck could use a 2280 SSD I could get a better 4TB SSD for around the same price. 4TB would be enough for me though. I could install everything and have like 500GB partitioned off for Windows 11. Hopefully the Steam Deck 2 includes that.
Proton on ARM has got me insanely stoked! This could be wayyyy bigger than we think it is. Deckard would be fantastic and I will probably jump Meta ship to there if it comes.
Proton on arm is pretty a pretty obvious step forward. They get acces to sell games on Android, Chrome OS, Mac and a bunch of more arm powered platforms.
Think about the hundreds of arm devices out there! Would LOVE to see my Steam library on a PowKiddy.
Man once they nail down arm/proton then i could see that flowing onto mobile opening a huge customer base
To make a big market need to do the work, what steam and other are doing, but Acer handheld was little to late with them in the handheld space, if it was 32GB or ram then 16GB then then would be something other then Asus Rog with more rams would been somthing.
Ok, Deckard is a very cool and fitting name for a Valve VR Headset.
Dude Nintendo are coming for you for showing off Dugeon Of Infinity , you should have blurred the gameplay!
Nintendo ninjas are everywhere
I’ve been stuck on DOI, and maaan that shit is addicting.
I fear that Rockstar's move is going to set a precedent for other big companies to snub the Valve and Steam Deck. If a big company like Rockstar can do that, what's to stop other companies, big or small, from doing that.
There were already hostilities toward the Steam Deck from many companies, and Rockstar is like Archduke Ferdinand getting shot to kick off a war.
All's fair, I would think valve is not a good enemy to have
If GTA sales tank because of it, the opposite could easily happen
@garrettrinquest1605 That's not going to happen tho. This is rockstar we're talking about, we know the majority of the player's aren't on linux.
Did you say Brazil? Haha
Everyone here eagerly awaits an official Steam Deck launch in our country... C'mon Valve, is time to give Brazil some love!
I imagine they might be worried about the retail costs and volume of sales. You guys have really high import tariffs for electronics right? I'm, sure there would be demand either way, but maybe they just don't think they can push enough volume.
@@CheezMonsterCrazy high import tariffs would be an understatement but a lot of people here would buy either way, since the second best option is buying a steam deck second-hand or building a pc.
@@CheezMonsterCrazy of course there's a LOT of burocracy to import products here, but IDK, Brazil is a big market for games and things related.
Steam Deck already have a good presence here, and a big advantage over other PC handhelds: the lower price.
Asus and Lenovo brought their handhelds to out market, and they cost around double the price compared to Deck's on our gray market.
There's a lot of people here wanting a Steam Deck, but not making the move for the lack of warranty and local support. Valve could be a real player here, but I know they must have a lot to consider on a move like this...
To be fair I got mine from Mercado Livre and it's been great.
I do understand that the lack of official support means no RMA in case of issues. But for the price of a low/mid-spec laptop, I'd still recommend it if you have the disposable income.
Steam deck 256GB would be like $1200USD in Brazil sadly
Just got a deck and I LOVEEEE IT
7:16 and remember if a change rockstar has made has made it so the game is broken you can leave an appropriate review for their game.
4:14 IMO the ROG Ally X is the king of the hill right now. The Steam Deck has a lot going for it. But in game, the ROG Ally X performs slightly better and is compatible with my entire library. I still play my OG Steam Deck quite a bit, but the hardware on the newer Ally X is noticeable snappier. Steam Deck 2 will probably obliterate the competition, but for now they’re close.
Yeah to be fair I almost exclusively use Ally X (but with Bazzite)
I just bought a used Legion Go, should arrive today so I'll report back on how it performs as it's a step above the current ROG Ally Z1 Extreme.
I wouldn't say they're close at all. Steam deck hardware is showing it's age. Have you tried playong black myth wukong on the deck?
The Rog Ally X isn't slightly better performing, it's massively better in terms of performance. AAA Games that are unplayable on Steam Deck due to lack of performance, play well on the Rog Ally X. I left the Steam Deck for this very reason.
@@FanTheDeckdo you have a Bazzite tutorial? Or one you can recommend?
The LAST thing that comes to my mind when I think of PC gaming is Acer...
Psp was a decent success i loved my psp when i had it. The difficulty nowadays itrehe spec requirements for a good handheld while allowing for untethered gameplay not needin to be connect to the powsr outlet for most of your gaming sessions.
Steam has a good library as long as they can solve battery problems handhelds woulda been #1 device.
When ARM Proton drops, Windows emulation on Android will change radicaly.
It's really good now, but it will become phenomenal soon. 🤯😮
Sony are only "remastering" these games for consoles, but their added benefit is that they get to remove the originals on PC just so they can outright enforce PSN across the board on Steam/EGS.
They basically want to capture and lockdown the Steam market and pocket it into their ecosystem, none of which we asked for. This is why I hate when publishers come crawling to Steam, because they only care about stealing from Steam's userbase, rather than selling to Steam users and playing nice.
Instead it's DRM/account sign-up/Data collection enforcements, coupled with higher prices, and all of that is enough to put me off buying from any publisher that comes to Steam and expects me to put up with all that uneeded crap.
Just sell me the game at a decent price, no data collection, no extra hoops to jump through. let me boot up the god damn game so I can play it without obstructions/intrusions.
I hope Val can figure out how to get proton to work on macOS because I would love to play my entire Steam library on my Mac
Valve literally starts nuking the whole handheld and mobile market omg.,, 😅
Rockstar being assholes. Shocker!
Oh.... I see, they want to make sure Proton runs on their standalone ARM VR headset.
That would be amazing like hell.
Sony and Konami really do love region locking, I mentioned Konami because they still won't release metal gear rising revengeance in my country because we weren't going the target market at launch despite releasing every other metal gear game since, even survive
Arm based stand alone steam vr will be a must buy for myself.
For the ARM bit, would that benefit the M series of Macbooks too?
Apple silicon is arm so yeah
probably not on macos, maybe on linux since vulkan will be on there.
@@archyatis its arm, but its not exactly the same general arm, it has a bunch of custom instructions, so no, probably wont work, or if it did, the performance would be trash because said custom instructions were made by apple to make their arm implementation be faster than others
I doubt it since Apple Silicon is kinda different and Valve has shown they don't want to support Apple
Fex works on Apple Silicone, and can run WINE, but not on OSX.
I canno't wait for my Deck to arrive, got the full 1tb Oled version. I'm so hyped
Ugg. I still hate Sony for not making a Days Gone 2. Hopefully the remastered is a good sign that they might change their mind. It’s one of the few games I’ve every Plantanum and actually wanted more.
If they are doing a remaster. I wish they would add content. More missions, fleshed out bases. The game is so good, but at the same time, it felt unfinished. Like you could see the potential off a huge open wold MMO type game, and that would have been chiefs kiss. Instead of making these horrible new IPS, they should have really rebooted this franchise.
I feel like Valve would definitely sell alot of steam decks here in Australia but alot of us already have imported Decks 🤣 this however is still exciting to see if valve do release them here in AUS, hopefully it means others won't have to buy them at insane prices like $900+
getting a steamdeck in australia was already possible, it was just a bit expensive due to import fees and you had to be careful which one you got since our electrical system is 240 volts which the US charger wont be able to handle
If Proton (ARM) releases in a competent and feature-full state, that would mean major strides being made in battery life for future ARM iterations of devices like the Steam Deck, which would be huge. Currently getting anywhere from as little as 30 minutes to as much as 8 hours of on-screen-time on the Deck, depending on game/workload, is rough. Switching to ARM, even with the same battery capacity, could see those numbers change to anywhere from 90 minutes at minimum (though that's a generous minimum, assuming other hardware stays mostly the same) to as high up as about 14 hours with lite gaming.
The future looks good for handheld gaming, and I'm here for it. I'm not even upset in the least about being a "beta tester" for Deck V1; it's been a wild and exciting ride, and I have loved every second of using my Deck.
2:56 I think what kicked off low price point was a Switch.
There is no point to get out a gaming handheld that will 2-times more expensive than Switch. That is probably why middle class Steam Deck is for 512€ and low memory version is for 416€.
Would be amazing to have the next Steam Deck run on RISC/ARM64.
I think you're under estimating Valve's relations. They have a footing in hardware, they have for a long time and they have their own manufacturing capacity. I wouldn't be surprised that they do have relations with chip makers.
Valve can offer a lower price because they don't have to pay Microsoft for licencing Windows. A Windows licence usually adds $100 to the cost of the device.
This was a great video, lots of good info here! Cheers bud and keep em coming!!
Thanks! Will def do :)
Considering how powerful and cost effective arm chips are, it would t surprise me if valve was going to use arm for the next steam deck
That screenshot also shows something that reads as waydroid, which is a way to run android applications in a linux environment. That needs at least a special kernel module.
I really like to be able to run android applications on Linux. Maybe that would be a way to view bimx files on the steam deck.
Yes, it's a little complicated to explain entirely in a video but the point is they're using multiple different compatibility tools for different purposes and all of them are to beef up Linux compatibility:
Waydroid -> Makes it possible to play AndroidARM games on LinuxARM
Proton -> Makes it possible to play Win-x86 games on Linux-x86
ProtonARM -> Makes it possible to play WinARM and Win-x86 games on LinuxARM
And it gets deeper than that because Proton is a fork of WINE and ProtonARM seems to be leveraging FEX. WINE itself has updates that address WindowsARM to LinuxARM compatibility. We haven't seen any source code for ProtonARM so could it be a fork of like Box86/Box64 or something? And what about making games playable on AndroidARM? Are they going to do that too? Lots of questions still left to answer.
There is definitely a market for handhelds, PC handleds are relatively "new" (Nvidia started it, gpd and ayaneo were keeping it alive, steam brought it to its golden age) but none of these PC/laptop manufactures will ever do console let alone steamdeck, psp, or switch numbers because they all have one thing in common, they all sell at a major loss because they have exclusive/games and/or a digital store they take a cut off all game sells (like apple and Google with apps). Valve can afford to take a loss cause they'll make it back on the 30% Percent they make back on all game sales on their store front, and guess who just bought some games, a new steam deck owner or really any PC handheld owner, it's why steam they have so many sales. People buy more when their are deals vs none. Acer, Asus, Lenovo have to sell these devices and laptop prices or they won't make any money back, their income is purely from the hardware sale not games or software sales. I hope with all these new handheld it doesn't set the precedent for more store fronts.
I hope Steam Deck 2 comes soon, I won't care about other handhelds
Edit: lol, it's for VR, not some sort of steamdeck with ARM.
Every tech hipster loves to hype up arm, and then you remember that the moment you need to run compatibility layer for x86 programs all of the so called advantages get down the drain. Makes me laugh how arm predates even x86/x86_64. As well as how memory leaks are doubled on arm devices when you try to make them "the next x86" because some AI Bro told them it's totally gonna work.
And all the AI going on is x86 based. Lol...
@@infini_ryu9461 sure but there's all of the BS pushing ARM specifically for AI, see NVIDIA and their blogposts that read like some manic schizo at some point,
You are a noble, and a very humble RUclipsr within the steam deck community. Very professional, addressing the news for steam deck users regardless if you play the game or not. I can’t say the same for Jimmy Champane. I hate to bring the guy down so much, but he really rubbed me the wrong way with how he addressed me for saying that he could’ve potentially forgot to mention - his response was to not be like the rest of the RUclipsrs. It’s steam deck news, no?
I think it's main target is not VR but MacOS. Not sure if you are aware but there are 3 big groups working in this. Primarily it is the Wine community where Proton is based from. Second is Proton itself that's coming from Valve. And lastly, Crossover from the Codeweaver group that's primarily working on it on ARM support.
But since it is opensource we should be expecting ports from it soon. Mainly from the mobile phone and VR also. Android today can already play PC x86 games thru emulators. AFAIK I can already see a playable Fallout 4.
This should give me reason to buy foldable devices soon 😆
I think proton on arm is prepare for a potential arm steam deck. Could be a customized chip from Qualcomm. Lets say valve get Qualcomm to replace the npu on snapdragon x plus/elite to more gpu cores. With a great translation layer like proton, it could be best of both worlds. Battery life + Performance.
7:52 does this mean we can run proton on Jailbroken Nintendo Switch consoles running Linux? 🤔
Whatever the next Steam Deck ends up being, I could see it being ARM based. The benefits in power consumption would be huge.
Ok, as a new viewer can I suggest a graphic during your summary maybe say “coming news”. I wasn’t sure if you were just quickly going over news or what.
That acer handheld would've flopped if they went through with it. The symmetrical lined up button and stick layout would've been So Uncomfortable. Same problem as the Switch Nitrodeck, the right stick is in such an uncomfortable position if the buttons are directly on top of it, instead of slightly further out like most typical console or pc controllers.
Imagine if Valve launches a $200 arm steamdeck?
At only $200 it would be a downgrade in terms of power and materials, with phone HW instead of a handheld PC HW
The proton for arm is confirmed to be for the deckard vr headset, which will likely be able to play flatscreen games on the go like the steam deck but with a huge screen.
a steam deck lite sounds cool but kinda useless for the high end pc stuff ppl wanna do on it since it would be weaker if it costs less
@@Espadasilenciosa but a switch lite alternative that can run all the indie games will be cool af
@@okamich.9797 ayaneo makes a lot of those
Single Board Computers such as Raspberry Pis and Orange Pis use ARM so that is very good news for ARM and SBC users. Valve should really push hard for these SBCs.
On android we alrdy have a few apps that lets you run pc games thru wine like winlator and mobox and they can run games like GTA V, Fallout 4 at full speed, so full steam support for arm devices like android is definetly possible. So far the biggest problem with them is they heat up the device quickly because can't take full advantage of the system.
Modern high end androids in theory alrdy have more power than a i5 10th gen + gtx 1060 combo.
Proton on ARM is crazy. I don't think it's going to be a phone, but maybe a more efficient future device. But I suppose the cheap (retro)handheld space like Retroid and Ambernic will gobble that up and hopefully succeed where ASUS and others failed.
Also, the Hololive RP server was hilarious.
The idea of playing my steam library on my phone has me so excited!!
I believe Valve is getting ready for ARM because except computers, almost everything runs on ARM and there'll be much more devices with ARM and ARM is getting better everyday with their GPUs.
And no, this probably not for phones but more for ARM Linux and Windows devices on the future. Also, this can be a move to redirect the handheld market to move forward with ARM because they are also adding support for other devices like Ally to SteamOS and this might be it because ARM is simply better at power consumption than x86 in many cases so it's actually better for handheld devices to come with it.
Acer gives up because they don't have a software platform that makes it usable. They should work together with Valve.
But it is very hard to beat Valve, as they got to a very very good pricepoint. Valve did give anyone a chance to enter the PC console market, but we can see what happened to the steam machine. I think Alienware was the only one that did try to add support for their specific hardware. The Zotac SN970 however (my steam machine) really isn't impressive in terms of support. All they needed to do is do BIOS updates to fix some ACPI problems.
I am very happy that after the HTC Vive, Valve decided to do it better with the Index. And with that knowledge also did it better than the steamboy/Smach Z and every other PC console manufacturer that was not interested in fixing BIOS or ACPI tables.
(ACPI tables describe and operates the specific hardware layout used with the generic chipsets used. It actually contains bytecode software.)
I'm hoping that Valve releases a Steam Deck Lite that is designed to be pocketable. It's okay if the performance is weaker and is only aimed at older games and indies. IMO it should also do away with the thumbsticks and maybe also the trackpads for the sake of pocketability. Perhaps that's what the ARM support is for.
Acer was like “we gotta charge yall for this handheld gaming system but i wouldn’t buy it “ 😂😂😂
Valve shouldn't even bother with steam deck here in Australia unless what they launch is the steam deck 2 with the nice new AMD strix halo chip and allow us to use our own SSD's like other handhelds do.
Valve is doing great porting proton to ARM. It is most efficient way for handled consoles and the future.
The PSN login is optional on PC too actually. At least according to the reviews I read.
I also learned there's a new mod that fully strips the PS SDK runtime: www.nexusmods.com/godofwarragnarok/mods/22?tab=description
Valve is amazing man, Proton on arm that's going to change the gaming laptop industry I HOPE
The handheld market is huge (if you add smartphones); Nintendo should *not* have the gaming hardware space unopposed -- especially post-Switch. PC makers should really get in that handheld market to force Nintendo to step up -- and I'm speaking as a lifelong Nintendo fan who's OK w/their shitty hardware specs.
Official Steam Deck in Latin America when?. I'm tired of scalper pricing here.
I have been hoping for the next steam deck to be a Arm based system since it would get even better battery life (Hopefully)
I had the game for too long for my refund to be accepted, at least this is the reason I was given
I imagine most people are going to run into this issue unfortunately
@@FanTheDeckit's about sending a message. I expect the same response but will be requesting a refund
Will it be up to Valve to single-handedly save gaming on MacOS as well?
I have confidence Valve will actually give refunds to anyone who bought GTAV just to play it on Steam Deck. To those people, the game is now broken, and Rockstar is responsible for that. I doubt you'll get a refund if you've had the game for several years, but if you got it after you purchased a Steam Deck, there is a decent chance Valve will take your side.
I really hope we get more regions for the Deck, personally I've been waiting for a Latam release ever since the Deck came out lol
I would love to see the steamdeck come to switzerland
On the topic of the Steam Deck. Considering Valve are dependent on the Steam Store to make up for their losses from the Steam Deck, they have put very little effort on it's usability on SteamOS gaming mode. For close to a year, I couldn't even checkout when trying to buy a game because it kept spitting out errors, and issues with navigation still persisted the last time I checked.
Full re image or have it rma'd. You clearly have either a software issue or hardware defect
@@jeremiahjohnson2784 I've reimaged multiple times. Hardware defects don't exclusively cause checkout issues lmao. It was a software issue that's probably been fixed. But the store itself is still designed poorly for use with a controller.
A Healthy Competition is good, it will just make everything better overall.
about half life alyx. The source 2 engine has support for arm built in thanks to the work that was done on dota Underlords which was a game that was released on mobile and its using the s2 engine your phone
Rockstar blaming Valve for not letting them imitate their product. Lmao
I'm hoping proton on Arm means that you will be able to play all of your older games in VR without a connected PC in Deckards standalone Mode.
Whats really odd is I've seen/heard from people playing ragnarock on regular pc they never had to login (without mods that skip the login)
Brother you can’t imagine what hoops I had to go to get the steamdeck in Australia for a non crazy price. I just hope this means they don’t hate us anymore 😂
The future of PC gaming is on APUs. Every other component has been integrated - the GPU is the only part left.
JC2.. Love it.. One of my all time favorites... lol.
Naw i think that Acer exec is reasonable, valve is ultimately selling closer to the traditional console model, so by being a unique presence that doesnt need to worry about major profits on initial sale, they can capture the already fairly niche "handheld pc" market, at a price that can also catch the less niche "cheap pc gamer" but that second more popular one, even theyd likely PREFER to buy a laptop or desktop, its just steam deck is a VERY good value proposition that others just cant quite meet