Hi Psych Casserole! Been catching your recent videos and wow! you've jumped into INFP content and discussion full-on. Very nice. I think your channel is more inclusive for its subscribers (with polls & such) in a way that I am not, and have not been...
Love your emphasis on differences and how things can go south, I absolutely agree that higher awareness of both your nature plays a major role even in shifting perspectives to appreciate the differences as differences which makes the person them, if you change 1 function it's just an entirely different person and there's a genuine beauty behind understand the why and how behind why a person is the way they are for growth rather than stagnant and complacent comfort based on compatibility, both types reveal a lot about the other through functions alone it's just whether it's from love for growth or from anger for hurt
Thank you again for giving me that extra little push to say something on a topic that's been bumping around in my head for a while. Back in the 1990s, I was/we were not mature enough. Life threw some challenges and the relationship blew up in our faces. Lots of good that had been built up was lost. We re-built, eventually, individually. I hope and wish you all the best for all the rewarding gifts this combo has to offer. And I won't say I'm not at least a little jealous...😉 But my ENTP-INFP opportunity has come and gone.
@@dulles1969 thank you double for your insight into the types interacting (appreciate the abstract approach), we are human, my infp taught me that even in regards to my self, the power of forgiveness for my bitter ass was also helped by her good natured influence, we both are no different than you were when you were young, I'd argue at least typology helped me appreciate her more rather than be stuck in mystery about her enigmatic nature, also when Fi chooses to love you you're basically set, thank you so so much again, imma try to convince her now to see your content and ignore my comments lmao
Hey Dulles, Very interesting here. I really can't pinpoint specific folks of that type in my life, though it was earlier perhaps during adolescence those who were accepting enough of me, yet would still tease me quite a bit as perhaps a bit of a challenge. Like..."We love ya, but we're not letting you off the hook THAT easily", ha. Thanks for sharing. -Carm
Thank you so much ...!💙 You are very kind. Monologuing into a camera feels weird and unnatural, but for reasons, I'm trying to get better at it; the words are good but their presentation not so much...
Great to hear your thoughts. Especially this idea of the arsenal the INFP has against the ENTP...something I've applied a few times in my life, to them alone. Which seems a bit unfair to ENTPs. I guess in Socionics it's called the supervisor relationship where the INFP to some degree has 'the upper hand' in the end. And it makes me uncomfortable when, after say I've distanced myself from an ENTP who has pushed me too far, they end up on the back foot, trying to make up for the hurt they may have caused. Which is kind of beautiful, as my pride doesn't usually allow me to do the same to others. But the relationship with ENTPs can messy. On the other hand, in most social situations, I'm going to be attracted to ENTPs and very comfortable just because of the they're made, the openness of their ideas and their good humour. Occasionally I've come across ENTPs where there are no issues at all, and we can talk and laugh for hours and have a great influence on each other. And there's something nice when ENTPs open up to INFPs about their emotions and their own sensitivities. Also my mother is an ENTP, and my relationship with her features all the positives and negatives of an ENTP-INFP relationship. It also possibly explains my tendency towards constant irony, dry humour and so on 😅
I cannot imagine having an ENTP parent! Though my ENTP ex has a daughter in her 20s and a teenage son. Good luck to them. The thing that I learned from my ex, is that ENTPs are good to borrow -- give them back when done. Very much observed the same in social situations: there's a magnetic pull: The bomb thrower teams up with the quiet anarchist. It does explain your sense of humor, definitely. My dad is an ISTJ through and through. His constant disappointment in my inability to do anything consistently or properly is probably why I have some(?) effort to structure my videos today.
@@dulles1969 ‘the bomb thrower teams up with the quiet anarchist’ - brilliant. Exactly. So interesting how that would affect you, to have an ISTJ father! I can imagine that and how it would influence you to have that structure and method to your videos. It’s best to embrace the influence of your parents I guess, you can never truly completely shake off their influence after all. 🙃
True, but our combination fell into toxic patterns that I could've avoided. What seemed to me acts of shockingly bad intent ... was just a blind spot. And ultimately I'm to blame for ending it. I've been with another Fi dom for a long time now. While we clash and it's cringe, we're both aware to avoid doing harm. Conflicts become discussions.
You know, as an entp, I love infps', I am a trainee therapist, and I find infps are one type that opens me up.. It's so weird because i try so hard with other types but no success, infp comes, and I literally open up doors .. I think there can be miscommunication, for example. Me with my infp goes to the cinema, she pesters me for a sweet she says no all three times.. to me I'm like why pester me then .. so I offer 3 times to get a scream from her " stop controlling me' , fe vs fi..or last night a infp says I'm off to bed I'm shattered, so I say me too, I have a reply stop copying me..I do find that weird .😮
I'm glad there are some INFPs out there that can laugh it off but I don't find the supervisor-supervisee relationship great imo. I would get made fun of by my ex but he would also have random outbursts or snap at me for things I didn't say or do. He wouldn't explain his ideas, just bombard me with them and not let me speak. And he would get pre-emptively defensive about my "sensitivity" and would just assume what my stances on things were without asking. Or humiliate me in front of other people and passive aggressively overcorrect me. Looking back I realize he probably didn't have any real personal convictions about anything at all and would only cling to traditional ideals because he didn't know what he valued.
Unhealthy and immature people are not representative of a type as both types can cause damage without any particular 1 being more innocent, im sorry you had to go through that of course, supervision relationship is an expectation of the negative and not how things will actually play out, my dual for example is less ideal for me in terms of functions alone for the lack of Ne which is highly important for my perception of the world as I lead with it being an ENTP Definitely typology helped me be aware of blind Fi and inferior Si in search for values and stability as opposed to constant skepticism
@@ahabalheis2478 of course, you're right about that not being representative of all ENTPs. I was unhealthy myself and would often self-deprecate which didn't help the situation at all. Glad typology has helped you as I'm sure it's helped other ENTPs as well as myself communicate and anticipate needs better.
I believe you are 100% correct -- and an INFJ-ENTJ dynamic was the catalyst that pushed me back into MBTI for answers a couple years ago. If it hadn't been for these two people, there would've been no Dulles in the MBTI community.
@@brocklytodd5317 Yes and I got schooled by an eastern European Socionics academic on Reddit for talking about that in relation to MBTI directly. So I'm more careful about applying it directly, now. There is definitely value to that chart! But the way things play out is not always the way the framework might predict. I've had supervisor (and supervisee), benefactor, and conflicting relationships all bear out in predictable ways. This was before knowing about this chart. I suspect you've had similar experiences?
This is awesome Dulles, I have a great lifelong friend who is ENTP and you nailed it with your description.
Hi Psych Casserole! Been catching your recent videos and wow! you've jumped into INFP content and discussion full-on. Very nice. I think your channel is more inclusive for its subscribers (with polls & such) in a way that I am not, and have not been...
Love your emphasis on differences and how things can go south, I absolutely agree that higher awareness of both your nature plays a major role even in shifting perspectives to appreciate the differences as differences which makes the person them, if you change 1 function it's just an entirely different person and there's a genuine beauty behind understand the why and how behind why a person is the way they are for growth rather than stagnant and complacent comfort based on compatibility, both types reveal a lot about the other through functions alone it's just whether it's from love for growth or from anger for hurt
Thank you again for giving me that extra little push to say something on a topic that's been bumping around in my head for a while. Back in the 1990s, I was/we were not mature enough. Life threw some challenges and the relationship blew up in our faces. Lots of good that had been built up was lost. We re-built, eventually, individually.
I hope and wish you all the best for all the rewarding gifts this combo has to offer. And I won't say I'm not at least a little jealous...😉 But my ENTP-INFP opportunity has come and gone.
@@dulles1969 thank you double for your insight into the types interacting (appreciate the abstract approach), we are human, my infp taught me that even in regards to my self, the power of forgiveness for my bitter ass was also helped by her good natured influence, we both are no different than you were when you were young, I'd argue at least typology helped me appreciate her more rather than be stuck in mystery about her enigmatic nature, also when Fi chooses to love you you're basically set, thank you so so much again, imma try to convince her now to see your content and ignore my comments lmao
One of my bestest friends is ENTP and they are my ultimate playmate. We definitely learn from each other's judging functions and it's brilliant.
this is 100% what happened with my previous relationship (I'm the INFP). feels so good to hear this explained so logically, thank you!
I wish it weren't necessary for you or I to have lived the downside. IMO despite a terrible breakup, it still was well worth it for the good times.
Hey Dulles, Very interesting here. I really can't pinpoint specific folks of that type in my life, though it was earlier perhaps during adolescence those who were accepting enough of me, yet would still tease me quite a bit as perhaps a bit of a challenge. Like..."We love ya, but we're not letting you off the hook THAT easily", ha. Thanks for sharing. -Carm
You're so well spoken!
Thank you so much ...!💙 You are very kind. Monologuing into a camera feels weird and unnatural, but for reasons, I'm trying to get better at it; the words are good but their presentation not so much...
@@dulles1969 If I a stranger, thinks your delivery is good than it is, SE trickster is hard but you're doing incredibly
Great to hear your thoughts. Especially this idea of the arsenal the INFP has against the ENTP...something I've applied a few times in my life, to them alone. Which seems a bit unfair to ENTPs. I guess in Socionics it's called the supervisor relationship where the INFP to some degree has 'the upper hand' in the end. And it makes me uncomfortable when, after say I've distanced myself from an ENTP who has pushed me too far, they end up on the back foot, trying to make up for the hurt they may have caused. Which is kind of beautiful, as my pride doesn't usually allow me to do the same to others. But the relationship with ENTPs can messy. On the other hand, in most social situations, I'm going to be attracted to ENTPs and very comfortable just because of the they're made, the openness of their ideas and their good humour. Occasionally I've come across ENTPs where there are no issues at all, and we can talk and laugh for hours and have a great influence on each other. And there's something nice when ENTPs open up to INFPs about their emotions and their own sensitivities.
Also my mother is an ENTP, and my relationship with her features all the positives and negatives of an ENTP-INFP relationship. It also possibly explains my tendency towards constant irony, dry humour and so on 😅
I cannot imagine having an ENTP parent! Though my ENTP ex has a daughter in her 20s and a teenage son. Good luck to them.
The thing that I learned from my ex, is that ENTPs are good to borrow -- give them back when done. Very much observed the same in social situations: there's a magnetic pull: The bomb thrower teams up with the quiet anarchist.
It does explain your sense of humor, definitely. My dad is an ISTJ through and through. His constant disappointment in my inability to do anything consistently or properly is probably why I have some(?) effort to structure my videos today.
@@dulles1969 ‘the bomb thrower teams up with the quiet anarchist’ - brilliant. Exactly.
So interesting how that would affect you, to have an ISTJ father! I can imagine that and how it would influence you to have that structure and method to your videos. It’s best to embrace the influence of your parents I guess, you can never truly completely shake off their influence after all. 🙃
Interpersonal disagreements and arguments are inevitable no matter what personality pairing
True, but our combination fell into toxic patterns that I could've avoided. What seemed to me acts of shockingly bad intent ... was just a blind spot. And ultimately I'm to blame for ending it.
I've been with another Fi dom for a long time now. While we clash and it's cringe, we're both aware to avoid doing harm. Conflicts become discussions.
@@dulles1969 never saw it that way. Thanks for the input
NFP, push back your boundaries!
You know, as an entp, I love infps', I am a trainee therapist, and I find infps are one type that opens me up.. It's so weird because i try so hard with other types but no success, infp comes, and I literally open up doors ..
I think there can be miscommunication, for example. Me with my infp goes to the cinema, she pesters me for a sweet she says no all three times.. to me I'm like why pester me then .. so I offer 3 times to get a scream from her " stop controlling me' , fe vs fi..or last night a infp says I'm off to bed I'm shattered, so I say me too, I have a reply stop copying me..I do find that weird .😮
I have both very fond memories and regrets -- it is a great relationship, loads of fun when it works.
I'm glad there are some INFPs out there that can laugh it off but I don't find the supervisor-supervisee relationship great imo. I would get made fun of by my ex but he would also have random outbursts or snap at me for things I didn't say or do. He wouldn't explain his ideas, just bombard me with them and not let me speak. And he would get pre-emptively defensive about my "sensitivity" and would just assume what my stances on things were without asking. Or humiliate me in front of other people and passive aggressively overcorrect me.
Looking back I realize he probably didn't have any real personal convictions about anything at all and would only cling to traditional ideals because he didn't know what he valued.
Unhealthy and immature people are not representative of a type as both types can cause damage without any particular 1 being more innocent, im sorry you had to go through that of course, supervision relationship is an expectation of the negative and not how things will actually play out, my dual for example is less ideal for me in terms of functions alone for the lack of Ne which is highly important for my perception of the world as I lead with it being an ENTP
Definitely typology helped me be aware of blind Fi and inferior Si in search for values and stability as opposed to constant skepticism
@@ahabalheis2478 of course, you're right about that not being representative of all ENTPs. I was unhealthy myself and would often self-deprecate which didn't help the situation at all.
Glad typology has helped you as I'm sure it's helped other ENTPs as well as myself communicate and anticipate needs better.
I think it can work maybe if you're aware of cognitive functions and how things interact with each other.
It worked amazingly for two years and limped along for a third. So I completely agree, it does work. Just I/we couldn't pull out of the tailspin.
I think its identical to the INFJ ENTJ relationship
I believe you are 100% correct -- and an INFJ-ENTJ dynamic was the catalyst that pushed me back into MBTI for answers a couple years ago. If it hadn't been for these two people, there would've been no Dulles in the MBTI community.
@@dulles1969 So you know about the socionics intertype theory?
@@brocklytodd5317 Yes and I got schooled by an eastern European Socionics academic on Reddit for talking about that in relation to MBTI directly. So I'm more careful about applying it directly, now.
There is definitely value to that chart! But the way things play out is not always the way the framework might predict. I've had supervisor (and supervisee), benefactor, and conflicting relationships all bear out in predictable ways. This was before knowing about this chart. I suspect you've had similar experiences?
@@dulles1969 Yup I find it kinda accurate. It's also a great way to figure out someone's type.
Volatile, to turn into a dumpster fire O.O