Toyota dealerships by me are still charging $5000 market adjustments on a 2024 Rav4. They refused to remove it and I walked out and left a zero review.
You did the right thing by walking away. When they start their pricing with market adjustments they are sending a clear signal to their customers that they are unwilling to work a fair deal.
The finance dept. Makes their commission from the add ons from extended warranty, security syste.s, paint protection films and etc.. Just tell the finance guy you don't want to it.!!!
Fines without admitting any wrongdoing is exactly like being allowed to break the law for a small fee. They can just keep doing it while the so-called lawmakers get a good kickback every now and then.
$11,000 for paint protection! The 24 Camry we bought was like that in the financial guy spent 45 mins trying to sell us extended warranty. It was like an extra $200 to 300 a month. I had to yell at him and threaten to walk out.
My co worker bought a Venza hybrid and he was told that it was available because the person that ordered it a year ago didn’t want it, my daughter friend bought a Corolla hybrid and was told the same thing. I just came from the Subaru dealership and they had a forester and was told the same thing
My first choice was a Toyota for a car back in 2022 but this Toyota dealership tried charging me $3000 for some paint protection warranty. I walked and bought a car from Mazda after that BS!
It took me 6 months and lots of social media posts to get my extended warranty refund from Toyota. They tried adding $1700 for Luxcare on my new Camry so i started to walk...they dropped that real quick.
They don't "admit to any wrongdoing" because their lawyers warn it would lead to even more major lawsuits if they did. This is common to a lot of corporations.
Thanks for the insight on shady dealers. I bought my cx-5 through a car buying service back in January just so I wouldn't have to deal with these sheisters. Car buyer asked me in advance if I was planning on doing add-ons, I said no. I walked in and signed the paper for exact price he negotiated, and drove away.
I am in Ontario and just purchased a car. It's so true, look at every line item and question anything you think is weird. I was looking at my purchase agreement and there were 5 items listed as "fees". I questioned all 5. In the end, they removed 3 of the fees, one fee was reduced by almost 80% and one fee I had to pay. It was almost $800 in their pocket if I hadn't of questioned them. grrrrrr
I can never understand tthe logic of those market adjustments (apart from being a scam). Like, why would the dealer go through all that trouble to do paint protection, etching, etc, when they're not on the hook for rust or theft? it's not like customers are returning their cars to the dealer because of rust...
I ran into that lately buying a subaru. I got the out the door price then they started paint warenty tire and rim warenty windshield warenty. I told the salesman in the begining I didnt want any of those warentys He said I have to tell you about them or he would loose his job I said listen Your wasting my time I dont want any of your fucking warentys just what comes from the OEM . To make a long story short sat through half hour speel and in the end I was pissed and told him the same thing dont want any of your fucking warentys. Told him that he just wasted my time and I was pissed. In the end I got out of the dealer paying OEM I was quite happy with that. Mind my spelling folks its not one of my strong suits..LOL
That's good. A Hyundai dealer told me he could not sell me the car without that junk. I left the dealership not purchasing the car. Now I'm glad I don't have Hyundai, even though the specific model I looked at is not know to have a lot of problems.
No one who has ever had their auto serviced at the Walmart auto service centers would ever say "man I wish this place sold cars" hell, no one who shops there for anything would ever say it. Walmart is a place we go to because all of the competition is literally even worse
Same happened with a friend of mine here in Toronto for a Rav4 Hybrid. Also another friend received an email from Toyota with the VIN number of the SUV he ordered 2 years ago (without extras). He called the dealer multiple times only to discovered to another customer who was willing to pay more.
I'm happy that the local Toyota dealerships I've bought cars from don't play any of these games. Even last year when the GR Corolla first started to arrive at dealers and some were charging outrageous mark ups, my local dealer charged me MSRP with zero add-ons and no games in the finance office. It was a very simple process and this was for the very first GR Corolla that they received! Dealers that play these games should face steep penalties from Toyota as it only hurts the brand when I'd really only the dealer being terrible.
Southeast Toyota controls which vehicles the dealers get and may not ship vehicles to a dealer that does not buy the extras they routinely add. Toyota made a major mistake years ago using them as a distributor for the southeast.
Toyota wants too much for the RAV4 Prime. It is common at all their dealerships to add overpriced accessories to these highly sought after vehicles. It is not worth it. Just say no to these ridiculously high prices. Tell the dealership that if I wanted to spend $60,000 on a new car, then I would be in market for a Lexus.
I drive a 25 years old F150. Before they were ECOBoost crap. Ford calls me all the time with Special Offers for me of 3k just to walk in the door of a new one. These companies including Toyota are not out for the consumer. We are living in a day in age where the quality over quantity is not a thing anymore. Toyota is doing this as well , How can we find creative new ways to gouge the customer and screw them so they can pad their bottom line. I advise anybody to drive the oldest car you have the longest you can. Car Payments are the number 1 killer of wealth. All those people paying 700$ minimum a month are just wasting the best years of your life of compound interest.
You are so right, an the worst part is, after tax earnings pay for these cars. Think are you in the 30 or 40 or even 50 percent tax bracket? Thats actually all you have left.
I can tell you exactly what the problem is people are too loyal to Toyota because Toyota used to make good vehicles back in the day so people just assume they make good vehicles now when they're absolutely garbage it doesn't surprise me that they have a lawsuit we've had lawsuits for years and years now and I used to feel sorry for the people to buy these piece of junk but it's very hard because people keep getting screwed over by Toyota and the keep on going back how do you have sympathy for stupidity I don't mean to be so honest and blunt people need to stop buying their garbage the only way to hurt Toyota is to hurt the wallet maybe if enough customers stop buying their garbage and they lose a lot of sales then it would force them to start making good vehicles again and stop ripping off their customers
Right. Chuckle, laugh, and celebrate. Tell me what's different between fines and taxes? Stopping bad practices is great. But government fining them does nothing but hurt the consumer more unless that money goes back to the customers. Government will just piss that money away just like they do with our taxes. And Toyota will just find a way to pass those fine costs on to the customers, just like any company does with taxes.
When I bought my tacoma recently. I made sure they removed all that extra crap I didn't need. They wanted an extra 1500 for a security device in case my car got stolen. I was like: don't want it, take it off.
Dealers have to be a 💩 show! Mechanics are leaving dealer shops enmass! Finding a certified tech onsite is about impossible. At any brand. Dealership owners most don’t know how to run a business they want to sell you a car with a maintenance package for several thousand and hope to never see you again. Short sighted schmbags!
I’ll sell you my used ‘21 rav4 prime. It’s in Alberta. Only reason I’m selling is because I got a Prius prime and will be getting a truck as a secondary vehicle.
@@markholubetz very good. I used it to go to and from work every day using the electric motor only. Other than winter when it runs the ICE which is still decently efficient. Highly recommend getting one for commuters. My commute is just over 40km each way and I can plug in at work.
Hahahahaha imagine that the golden boy is actually a trouble maker. Over rated junk. Of course this shit company has to propaganda that they are so great.
CLICKBAIT..... should say Toyota DEALERS I believe Toyota the dealership is different than Toyota the manufacturer. One is a worldwide automaker corporation and the other is a franchise small business car dealership. Your local business owners are screwing you , not Toyota the manufacturer.
Toyota dealerships by me are still charging $5000 market adjustments on a 2024 Rav4. They refused to remove it and I walked out and left a zero review.
Great response. That would be a guaranteed "NO BUY" from me in that circumstance.
You did the right thing by walking away. When they start their pricing with market adjustments they are sending a clear signal to their customers that they are unwilling to work a fair deal.
The finance dept. Makes their commission from the add ons from extended warranty, security syste.s, paint protection films and etc.. Just tell the finance guy you don't want to it.!!!
Fines without admitting wrongdoing; tells you how backwards our justice and consumer protection systems are.
Sounds a little like OJ
Fines without admitting any wrongdoing is exactly like being allowed to break the law for a small fee. They can just keep doing it while the so-called lawmakers get a good kickback every now and then.
$11,000 for paint protection! The 24 Camry we bought was like that in the financial guy spent 45 mins trying to sell us extended warranty. It was like an extra $200 to 300 a month. I had to yell at him and threaten to walk out.
Some of the scams these dealers pull would make a NYC crime family blush. You need to be 100% on your toes when dealing with these racketeers.
haha, yes it really is that bad.
My co worker bought a Venza hybrid and he was told that it was available because the person that ordered it a year ago didn’t want it, my daughter friend bought a Corolla hybrid and was told the same thing. I just came from the Subaru dealership and they had a forester and was told the same thing
My first choice was a Toyota for a car back in 2022 but this Toyota dealership tried charging me $3000 for some paint protection warranty. I walked and bought a car from Mazda after that BS!
Great choice
I like the Nitrogen in the tires add on. Air is 78% nitrogen. 🤣
Haha yes that’s a silly one that many people just pay
It took me 6 months and lots of social media posts to get my extended warranty refund from Toyota. They tried adding $1700 for Luxcare on my new Camry so i started to walk...they dropped that real quick.
Wow, such scams by so many dealers.
Toyota not the only ones doing this crap.
Common practice in the industry.
They don't "admit to any wrongdoing" because their lawyers warn it would lead to even more major lawsuits if they did. This is common to a lot of corporations.
Exactly.
Thanks for the insight on shady dealers. I bought my cx-5 through a car buying service back in January just so I wouldn't have to deal with these sheisters. Car buyer asked me in advance if I was planning on doing add-ons, I said no. I walked in and signed the paper for exact price he negotiated, and drove away.
And how much did you pay for the car buying service 😂
@@dane1976 $800, worth every penny. He got me 2k more on my trade in at this dealer than any other dealer.
This is awesome, glad someone finally got busted. Dealers been ripping people off for years
I totally agree
I am in Ontario and just purchased a car. It's so true, look at every line item and question anything you think is weird. I was looking at my purchase agreement and there were 5 items listed as "fees". I questioned all 5. In the end, they removed 3 of the fees, one fee was reduced by almost 80% and one fee I had to pay. It was almost $800 in their pocket if I hadn't of questioned them. grrrrrr
That’s a great news story though where you saved a bunch of money. That is awesome even though they were trying to pull a fast one.
You know, if they agreed to 60 Million., they must have profited much more.
Exactly , money in the bank, huge profits and maybe more….
I can never understand tthe logic of those market adjustments (apart from being a scam). Like, why would the dealer go through all that trouble to do paint protection, etching, etc, when they're not on the hook for rust or theft? it's not like customers are returning their cars to the dealer because of rust...
Cheers
Thanks for this heads up. I appreciate it. great channel!
Our pleasure!
I ran into that lately buying a subaru. I got the out the door price then they started paint warenty tire and rim warenty windshield warenty. I told the salesman in the begining I didnt want any of those warentys He said I have to tell you about them or he would loose his job I said listen Your wasting my time I dont want any of your fucking warentys just what comes from the OEM . To make a long story short sat through half hour speel and in the end I was pissed and told him the same thing dont want any of your fucking warentys. Told him that he just wasted my time and I was pissed. In the end I got out of the dealer paying OEM I was quite happy with that. Mind my spelling folks its not one of my strong suits..LOL
That's good. A Hyundai dealer told me he could not sell me the car without that junk. I left the dealership not purchasing the car. Now I'm glad I don't have Hyundai, even though the specific model I looked at is not know to have a lot of problems.
Thanks so much for sharing. They literally try to corner you into buying a bunch of crap.
@@markholubetz The worst part of them trying to sell you all this shit it would have added another 5900.00 dollars to the price of the car.
You are definitely right 👍
Thank you
The ONLY VOTE that matters is YOUR WALLET!!!
As you said in a video, keep your old truck, keep it up to par and save tons of money!!! Cheers
Bingo. Thanks for watching. I agree, drive whatcha got.
Trust? In a car dealership? Hahahahaha!
Haha right?
i wish wal mart would sell cars . all this crap would be over with im guessing
Walmart has no interest in selling cars, not enough profit.
@@gtech66 dealers suck so bad . i took my 3 years to buy a car because i hated the experience so bad . somethings gotta give .
No one who has ever had their auto serviced at the Walmart auto service centers would ever say "man I wish this place sold cars"
hell, no one who shops there for anything would ever say it. Walmart is a place we go to because all of the competition is literally even worse
Hahahahaha toilet company. You said it correct.
Haha indeed
Lmfao 😂😂😂
Love your description of “the box”
Local dealer here in Saskatchewan charging 10k + over msrp for a used 2024, base model Sienna. Absurd.
This same dealer I was speaking to also said the Sienna was hard to get. Even still, what a ripoff.
Hello Mark, here watching! 👍
Thanks for coming
@@markholubetz You’re welcome!
Same happened with a friend of mine here in Toronto for a Rav4 Hybrid. Also another friend received an email from Toyota with the VIN number of the SUV he ordered 2 years ago (without extras). He called the dealer multiple times only to discovered to another customer who was willing to pay more.
Wow, that’s trash.
A few months ago we went to a Toyota car dealership and they were charging $10,000 Mark up dollars and we ran out the door. 😂😂
exactly
I'm happy that the local Toyota dealerships I've bought cars from don't play any of these games. Even last year when the GR Corolla first started to arrive at dealers and some were charging outrageous mark ups, my local dealer charged me MSRP with zero add-ons and no games in the finance office. It was a very simple process and this was for the very first GR Corolla that they received! Dealers that play these games should face steep penalties from Toyota as it only hurts the brand when I'd really only the dealer being terrible.
Southeast Toyota controls which vehicles the dealers get and may not ship vehicles to a dealer that does not buy the extras they routinely add. Toyota made a major mistake years ago using them as a distributor for the southeast.
Yikes
Well said.
Thanks very much. Hope you have a great week.
Toyota wants too much for the RAV4 Prime. It is common at all their dealerships to add overpriced accessories to these highly sought after vehicles. It is not worth it. Just say no to these ridiculously high prices. Tell the dealership that if I wanted to spend $60,000 on a new car, then I would be in market for a Lexus.
Exactly and that’s pretty much how I put it, and walked out. They are seriously out to lunch. The worst part is some chump will pay that.
They are charging dealers fees of 2 thousands. It is about time
Exactly hold them accountable
I drive a 25 years old F150. Before they were ECOBoost crap. Ford calls me all the time with Special Offers for me of 3k just to walk in the door of a new one. These companies including Toyota are not out for the consumer. We are living in a day in age where the quality over quantity is not a thing anymore.
Toyota is doing this as well , How can we find creative new ways to gouge the customer and screw them so they can pad their bottom line. I advise anybody to drive the oldest car you have the longest you can. Car Payments are the number 1 killer of wealth. All those people paying 700$ minimum a month are just wasting the best years of your life of compound interest.
You are so right, an the worst part is, after tax earnings pay for these cars. Think are you in the 30 or 40 or even 50 percent tax bracket? Thats actually all you have left.
Yes, for Toyota (dependability) vehicles, in and of themselves; but no, for their stealerships.
I can tell you exactly what the problem is people are too loyal to Toyota because Toyota used to make good vehicles back in the day so people just assume they make good vehicles now when they're absolutely garbage it doesn't surprise me that they have a lawsuit we've had lawsuits for years and years now and I used to feel sorry for the people to buy these piece of junk but it's very hard because people keep getting screwed over by Toyota and the keep on going back how do you have sympathy for stupidity I don't mean to be so honest and blunt people need to stop buying their garbage the only way to hurt Toyota is to hurt the wallet maybe if enough customers stop buying their garbage and they lose a lot of sales then it would force them to start making good vehicles again and stop ripping off their customers
If they investigate Nissan of Atlantic City the whole lot will get locked up☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️
haha
Right. Chuckle, laugh, and celebrate. Tell me what's different between fines and taxes? Stopping bad practices is great. But government fining them does nothing but hurt the consumer more unless that money goes back to the customers. Government will just piss that money away just like they do with our taxes. And Toyota will just find a way to pass those fine costs on to the customers, just like any company does with taxes.
You are right, stronger incentives and bigger teeth to take a chunk outta bad actors is needed
Indeed
When I bought my tacoma recently. I made sure they removed all that extra crap I didn't need. They wanted an extra 1500 for a security device in case my car got stolen. I was like: don't want it, take it off.
Calgary the same most of them 😮😮
I believe that
This crap is typical of AutoNation regardless of Brand.
Cheers
Wanna know shaddy. They like to hold paying construction companies and go to court which is cheaper for them.
It really is and they seem to push their luck
Hahahahahahah thay Freudian slip at 1 min. Was that intentional?
I was waiting for the new tacoma but they want 65k for a trd sport so I went with a colorado zr2 for 61k
The ZR2 packages look great. I saw a nice Full size and the diesel with that. Beautiful truck.
I have a sneaky suspicion these dealerships fall under the "Go Auto" umbrella
well......
That's just a hidden ADM. dealers are scum
Exactly. True scam artists
A good from of my was SA in the finance office.
Cheers
Loan rates from Toyota 9.8 percent Ridicules
Extremely bad time to buy these products
Wait 4 years for your new car to arrive. Soon it will be 14 years.
Dealers have to be a 💩 show! Mechanics are leaving dealer shops enmass! Finding a certified tech onsite is about impossible. At any brand. Dealership owners most don’t know how to run a business they want to sell you a car with a maintenance package for several thousand and hope to never see you again. Short sighted schmbags!
Waiting on them to refund me right now for a maintenance package I didn’t want on a brand new car under warranty. It’s been two months now.
I’ll sell you my used ‘21 rav4 prime. It’s in Alberta. Only reason I’m selling is because I got a Prius prime and will be getting a truck as a secondary vehicle.
Are you finding good economy out of it?
@@markholubetz very good. I used it to go to and from work every day using the electric motor only. Other than winter when it runs the ICE which is still decently efficient. Highly recommend getting one for commuters. My commute is just over 40km each way and I can plug in at work.
Dry is the best😂
haha
Freudian slip???
haha indeed
Toyota or Toyota dealerships?
well
12000 fine is just silly. Why even bother.
That’s not even a slap on the wrists
Hahahahaha imagine that the golden boy is actually a trouble maker.
Over rated junk. Of course this shit company has to propaganda that they are so great.
Thanks
Toyota dealers suck, definitely a toilet dealer, first car company that does online no BS sales will definitely get more sales.
Exactly, what's wrong with jut playing straight with people? Cheers
CLICKBAIT..... should say Toyota DEALERS
I believe Toyota the dealership is different than Toyota the manufacturer.
One is a worldwide automaker corporation and the other is a franchise small business car dealership. Your local business owners are screwing you , not Toyota the manufacturer.
Well…..
Well....
I googled "click bait" and your channel comes up. The practice of using clickbait titles is shady.
Shady as the darkest room in a dealership.
Got my Lexus without any drama
Are you buying or leasing because Lexus sure tried me.