The reason why I played lol is cause there's role select, so I can chill during pick phase instead of speedruning ctrlC+ctrlV and arguing about who's gonna go mid. Riot can't even deal with toxicity now, how would they deal with even more toxicity?
All they had to do was assign roles at random in the old system, that way the whole copy-paste spam and pick order priority wouldn’t matter as heavily since a system could already be in place to assign roles at random. All the better if they want to add a preferred role in that exact system. Current league suffers immensely from the fact that people don’t know how to play any role other than their primary and occasionally secondary, both directly when playing the other roles (auto fill), and indirectly through understanding what other roles want to do or can do.
If there was no role select, I would have uninstalled it after the first three games. Sticking to one or two roles is the best thing you can do to make the game actually bearable to learn on your own
I disagree. I started in season 2 and you just went in with the expectation of playing the game. You weren't going in with the expectation of playing a champion in a specific lane.
@@Kyoya-Atsushi this is more or less how old ranked was. Only issue was riot never made that system better through assigning random roles so the toxic stuff players used to do couldn’t hold as much weight
@@abbemartensson3850 sorry for late reply. I think that’s a fair way of doing things though - Clash (league’s tournament system) more or less behaves like that when you’re playing with randoms/free agents: the best player gets their pick of the litter so to speak and you can strategize around that. solo queue is a bit of a different situation for a multitude of reasons but even so, I think being able to go into ranked prepared to play any role does signify your strength as a player to be adaptable and have competent game knowledge on the whole
Its actually not required to have multiple maps. What is required is not so heavily forcing such micromanaged ways to play the game for each role/lane, alongside hots brilliant deletion of last hitting which allows for much more strategic gameplay even in a bad lane match up. But league will never fix their game so there's no point in even trying
@@TheCosmicAstro- thats true not having to sit around and last hit allows you to go top for 15 seconds and roam. League map being so big would be an issue for that though. the really huge hots maps play very similarly to league, which is great I love having that option once in awhile. variance in maps does wonders for a moba
When your "long term goals" are adding 150+ champions, asking new players to join in and be forced to not only learn them all, but also how to play in every single role is sadistic at best.
@@rainbowtroutin I heavily disagree. You learn way more about all the various champions when you actually are put in the position where you actively have the opportunity to play as, with, or against those champions more frequently. Someone as a new player who is an adc main is going to have little to no knowledge about most top lane champions, certain mid champs, how some junglers path and function, and depending on the meta might not learn how some supports work. League already has a ton of intricacies to pick up and learn, and it should be expected that players will have preferred roles where they perform up to par with their own skill, even in the old system. The issue is players have practically zero knowledge of anything outside of their primary role because there’s little expectation to prepare to be put into a role that isn’t your primary/secondary, which causes things like auto fill to be extremely detrimental to matchmaking as a whole because it either increases the number of dodged champ selects or drastically decreases the skill floor of certain games that do go through because your lulu support one trick is now playing amumu jungle for the first time since they did co-op vs bots. Imo, Riot needs to either all in on role select at the cost of longer queues (at the very least offer the option to do so), or balance auto fill much more heavily between teams so that teams with 1 or more autofills aren’t put against 5 on role enemies. **Edit: added final paragraph
@@Anemodus Every top tier player has agreed that sticking to 3-5 champions in 1 role while learning is the way to go till silver/gold. Slowly learn what every character in the game does by limit testing until you're confident in your micro, then move on to learning macro and synergy in other lanes. Baby steps. We don't throw people into alligator pits to make them stronger, we give them a dumbbell and time.
@@rainbowtroutin that advice is for CLIMBING RANKED, not for a new player getting their feet wet and learning new champs and roles. You quite literally cannot “limit test” the champion pool to learn how all champions or roles work at a basic level, that comes after you have a skill floor on a champion you play or are at least somewhat familiar with. It’s a completely different stage in what you want to prioritize; you initially get stronger by working at different varied activities in the gym, then afterwards you hard focus on a particular set of workouts to maximize whatever your aiming towards
@@piotrkawaek6640 fun fact - this is not true. The botlane tower is specifically designed to be weaker against multiple players, compare to mid and top tower.
Disagree. I think it was a great idea, but the execution of that idea was poor. What should've been done is that you choose your main role you queue up for with a 70% chance of you getin that role. The remaining 30% chance will fill you to whatever role is demanded the most. This way over the course of hundreds of games everyone while, still having and embracing their main role, would be forced to play and learn all the other roles at least to some reasonable extend narrowing the skill gap in a on-role vs off-role matchup without giving the player the notion of being always off-role.
Yeah, I think the only problem is how little you get auto filled, especially in a less desirable role. I queue Jungle/Fill and havent played a non-jungle game in over a month. Hell, even when I just queue Fill I get jungle 90% of the time.
We know how having no role select is. It’s called blind pick. No one plays it and if you do you know it’s a caustic hell fest of people spamming give me mid or I’ll feed and people holding not taking anything seriously because they didn’t get the role they wanted. Whoever thinks there shouldn’t be role select probably shouldn’t be on the league team as it’s a basic understanding of how the game works and functions. You can’t have no role select, it’s too toxic and terrible for the game as a whole.
I mean it is incredibly wrong but it’s his opinion. Before role queue people still played roles. We just copied what the pros did. If we had games now like back then when your support didn’t want to play support because they were last pick so they duo mid or top then the game would have died because people playing ranked would want to emulate pro and that takes the coronation of all 10 players if you don’t give those players a role they are responsible for
I dislike these takes tbh people forget its a game and its hard to get into a game with too much freedom (Heck i got into league by myself snd didnt know there were set champs for set roles or items you could buy but learning thst was great) I do agree that a talon going top shouldnt be troll either because as shoen before any champ in any role can in fsct do well if you want it to and work for that while having fun So yes to more freedom, no to removing the idea of roles because not everyone wants to go talon top but the option shouldnt be judged for someone leanring it
I got into league without sticking to one role/champion, plus it was my first moba so there even was the phase of "how tf do i move" but this was insane in the long term, i found out that sticking to one role was boring so i played legit everything in SR and ARAM and i really like august's take cause it would be more difficult to get into league but would me much much better for whole game in the long term
@@kraus1860 I did the same as you but currently bot lane is my favorite role as I act positively with my support and actually communicate with them Breaking stereotypes makes it fun in any role But yeah I'd rather give newbies all the help they can get so they can find a role they enjoy before they move to the next one
@@kerroseir4764 exept the majority of them will never move and will have 0 idea on how those lanes work which basically almost removes teamplay till high ladder ranks
@@kerroseir4764 ohhhh damn, totally forgot about that, exept 80% of league players do not have it. I mean Emerald4 0 lp is top 17% of all players (which sounds kinda good in theory) but is still a fucking swamp elo full of skinwalkers that share 2 braincells
Role selection is the reason no one understand how jungle works and they all just say jungle diff, not even knowing why i was unable to cover a dive or whatever else😢
Same for laners man, I cant tell you how many times I’ve had a jungle spam ping me because I decided to take the two and a half waves stacked under my tower than risk a 2v2. I think it’s less of a “they don’t understand my role” problem and more of a “I’m the main character so you do what I want even if it inconveniences you” problem.
@@fishstks9677 fair, but i feel like most junglens atleast have some expirience in at least 1 Lane, The jungle role is just so much different from all other roles
@@dipsdm6586 oh yeah it’s two completely different games, I have a decent amount of time put into every role and adc and jungle are just not playing the same game as the rest of us.
The reason why I played lol is cause there's role select, so I can chill during pick phase instead of speedruning ctrlC+ctrlV and arguing about who's gonna go mid. Riot can't even deal with toxicity now, how would they deal with even more toxicity?
All they had to do was assign roles at random in the old system, that way the whole copy-paste spam and pick order priority wouldn’t matter as heavily since a system could already be in place to assign roles at random. All the better if they want to add a preferred role in that exact system.
Current league suffers immensely from the fact that people don’t know how to play any role other than their primary and occasionally secondary, both directly when playing the other roles (auto fill), and indirectly through understanding what other roles want to do or can do.
At least in higher Elo, the norm was that pick order decides role unless you had a toxic piece of shit in your team every now and then.
If there was no role select, I would have uninstalled it after the first three games. Sticking to one or two roles is the best thing you can do to make the game actually bearable to learn on your own
I disagree. I started in season 2 and you just went in with the expectation of playing the game. You weren't going in with the expectation of playing a champion in a specific lane.
Did league of role specific rank before?
@@glenndiddy Back in season 2, nobody expected you to play well anyway
@@dtstar331 yes they did in season 2 and 3 they definitely did. game was much better back then as well other than the odd glaring issue like kassadin
@@dtstar331 as someone who played season 2 that is a complete lie lmao. Game was toxic from its inception.
Imagine you add a ranked mode where everyone gets autofilled and you play what role you get. That would truly show skill in a different way
@@Kyoya-Atsushi this is more or less how old ranked was. Only issue was riot never made that system better through assigning random roles so the toxic stuff players used to do couldn’t hold as much weight
It is like that in high rank Dota 2. Usually the highest rated player gets to pick what he wants
@@abbemartensson3850 sorry for late reply. I think that’s a fair way of doing things though - Clash (league’s tournament system) more or less behaves like that when you’re playing with randoms/free agents: the best player gets their pick of the litter so to speak and you can strategize around that. solo queue is a bit of a different situation for a multitude of reasons but even so, I think being able to go into ranked prepared to play any role does signify your strength as a player to be adaptable and have competent game knowledge on the whole
no role select is called old blind pick lmao😂
delete autofill u ARE wrong
HotS did it best, you have team roles not map roles. This only is possible with multiple maps existing
Its actually not required to have multiple maps.
What is required is not so heavily forcing such micromanaged ways to play the game for each role/lane, alongside hots brilliant deletion of last hitting which allows for much more strategic gameplay even in a bad lane match up.
But league will never fix their game so there's no point in even trying
@@TheCosmicAstro- thats true not having to sit around and last hit allows you to go top for 15 seconds and roam. League map being so big would be an issue for that though. the really huge hots maps play very similarly to league, which is great I love having that option once in awhile. variance in maps does wonders for a moba
Lets go a step further and make players unable to choose the game. Boot up riot games and you will be randomly thrown into lol or valo ranked
When your "long term goals" are adding 150+ champions, asking new players to join in and be forced to not only learn them all, but also how to play in every single role is sadistic at best.
@@rainbowtroutin I heavily disagree. You learn way more about all the various champions when you actually are put in the position where you actively have the opportunity to play as, with, or against those champions more frequently. Someone as a new player who is an adc main is going to have little to no knowledge about most top lane champions, certain mid champs, how some junglers path and function, and depending on the meta might not learn how some supports work.
League already has a ton of intricacies to pick up and learn, and it should be expected that players will have preferred roles where they perform up to par with their own skill, even in the old system. The issue is players have practically zero knowledge of anything outside of their primary role because there’s little expectation to prepare to be put into a role that isn’t your primary/secondary, which causes things like auto fill to be extremely detrimental to matchmaking as a whole because it either increases the number of dodged champ selects or drastically decreases the skill floor of certain games that do go through because your lulu support one trick is now playing amumu jungle for the first time since they did co-op vs bots.
Imo, Riot needs to either all in on role select at the cost of longer queues (at the very least offer the option to do so), or balance auto fill much more heavily between teams so that teams with 1 or more autofills aren’t put against 5 on role enemies.
**Edit: added final paragraph
@@Anemodus Every top tier player has agreed that sticking to 3-5 champions in 1 role while learning is the way to go till silver/gold. Slowly learn what every character in the game does by limit testing until you're confident in your micro, then move on to learning macro and synergy in other lanes. Baby steps.
We don't throw people into alligator pits to make them stronger, we give them a dumbbell and time.
@@rainbowtroutin that advice is for CLIMBING RANKED, not for a new player getting their feet wet and learning new champs and roles. You quite literally cannot “limit test” the champion pool to learn how all champions or roles work at a basic level, that comes after you have a skill floor on a champion you play or are at least somewhat familiar with.
It’s a completely different stage in what you want to prioritize; you initially get stronger by working at different varied activities in the gym, then afterwards you hard focus on a particular set of workouts to maximize whatever your aiming towards
i can still click the space on my monitor where the chat was to type my role first
Fun fact about roles is that if support would go top instead of bot, up to like emerald it would have literally no influence on winrate.
@@piotrkawaek6640 fun fact - this is not true. The botlane tower is specifically designed to be weaker against multiple players, compare to mid and top tower.
Disagree. I think it was a great idea, but the execution of that idea was poor.
What should've been done is that you choose your main role you queue up for with a 70% chance of you getin that role. The remaining 30% chance will fill you to whatever role is demanded the most.
This way over the course of hundreds of games everyone while, still having and embracing their main role, would be forced to play and learn all the other roles at least to some reasonable extend narrowing the skill gap in a on-role vs off-role matchup without giving the player the notion of being always off-role.
Yeah, I think the only problem is how little you get auto filled, especially in a less desirable role. I queue Jungle/Fill and havent played a non-jungle game in over a month. Hell, even when I just queue Fill I get jungle 90% of the time.
How to lose 99% of your players base right there
@@9553shadow Opinion taken out of the deepest realms of your asss.
@@bohomazdesign725 its not opinion its fact. forcing people to play a role they hate will make them quit.
I never got only playing 1 role tbh, I get having a main, but solely enjoying only 1 role is weird to me
Mid or feed
ahh memories
We know how having no role select is. It’s called blind pick. No one plays it and if you do you know it’s a caustic hell fest of people spamming give me mid or I’ll feed and people holding not taking anything seriously because they didn’t get the role they wanted. Whoever thinks there shouldn’t be role select probably shouldn’t be on the league team as it’s a basic understanding of how the game works and functions. You can’t have no role select, it’s too toxic and terrible for the game as a whole.
Just add the roll system 😂
I mean it is incredibly wrong but it’s his opinion. Before role queue people still played roles. We just copied what the pros did. If we had games now like back then when your support didn’t want to play support because they were last pick so they duo mid or top then the game would have died because people playing ranked would want to emulate pro and that takes the coronation of all 10 players if you don’t give those players a role they are responsible for
agree
I dislike these takes tbh people forget its a game and its hard to get into a game with too much freedom
(Heck i got into league by myself snd didnt know there were set champs for set roles or items you could buy but learning thst was great)
I do agree that a talon going top shouldnt be troll either because as shoen before any champ in any role can in fsct do well if you want it to and work for that while having fun
So yes to more freedom, no to removing the idea of roles because not everyone wants to go talon top but the option shouldnt be judged for someone leanring it
I got into league without sticking to one role/champion, plus it was my first moba so there even was the phase of "how tf do i move" but this was insane in the long term, i found out that sticking to one role was boring so i played legit everything in SR and ARAM and i really like august's take cause it would be more difficult to get into league but would me much much better for whole game in the long term
@@kraus1860 I did the same as you but currently bot lane is my favorite role as I act positively with my support and actually communicate with them
Breaking stereotypes makes it fun in any role
But yeah I'd rather give newbies all the help they can get so they can find a role they enjoy before they move to the next one
@@kerroseir4764 exept the majority of them will never move and will have 0 idea on how those lanes work which basically almost removes teamplay till high ladder ranks
@@kraus1860 not really people have this ability called learning
@@kerroseir4764 ohhhh damn, totally forgot about that, exept 80% of league players do not have it. I mean Emerald4 0 lp is top 17% of all players (which sounds kinda good in theory) but is still a fucking swamp elo full of skinwalkers that share 2 braincells
So like Dota 😂
I wouldnt play
Dota as always does it better
Why is this dude talking so much bullshit
Role selection is the reason no one understand how jungle works and they all just say jungle diff, not even knowing why i was unable to cover a dive or whatever else😢
Same for laners man, I cant tell you how many times I’ve had a jungle spam ping me because I decided to take the two and a half waves stacked under my tower than risk a 2v2. I think it’s less of a “they don’t understand my role” problem and more of a “I’m the main character so you do what I want even if it inconveniences you” problem.
@@fishstks9677 fair, but i feel like most junglens atleast have some expirience in at least 1 Lane, The jungle role is just so much different from all other roles
@@dipsdm6586 oh yeah it’s two completely different games, I have a decent amount of time put into every role and adc and jungle are just not playing the same game as the rest of us.