Playing my warrior feels like I’m cheating. Consistent damage is so high and then I can always one shot someone with spear avatar. And the only class that I don’t automatically have 100% up time on is a frost mage.
Mage is in a ridiculous state in general. We sure are a long way away from that fragile caster that blows you up in 6 seconds. Nowadays we’re practically unkillable if you know your kiting patterns, and we do no damage…
@@maartenneppelenbroek That's true, though we still don't blast hardest (and it is literally our class fantasy to do so) - but yeah, it's the reason I only play it. By the way mages are getting even more damage buffs today. They've buffed us on like 15 different occasions dince DF came out and I suspect we'll still have low damage. Absolutely hilarious.
@@christ938 It's 175% to 150% - so true, but this only applies to PvP. There were PvP specific buffs for mage to cope with that change - these changes are for PvE where there is no change to how crit works.
So would you rather be able to be killed in half a second while also being able to blow people up? or have insane mobility, cc, and survival while doing little damage? . You can't have both.
They know it also, they just don't balance more than one spec for pvp at a time. One spec is good, one can be ran as a cheese or in specific comps ok'ish and the other is trash. Every season it rotates which is in what spot but that's all they do.
@@Vic-qp1gk well that's a lie, they only been god tier because of rogues.. outside of that they don't have many other comps that they can run with. Mage/Warr+WW is about all that kinda competes but doesn't do that well. Duels and open world PvP don't mean shit
I love using my normal rotational abilities on UHDK and SP and getting shitty damage like this outside of a Go. Then I get on my BM, my Arms Warr or my Lock and just casually shit out 50-120k hits all the time..
Arcane and frost are both mid tier viable. Arcane especially can be so much fun. But the learning curve is steep and if you’re just trying to mess around on an alt it might be a lot.
not sure what build you are running but im lobbing 40-60k insta meatballs for a good 8secs and it procs pretty much every other hotstreak. I notice nobody uses the improved scorch either which basically just procs pyros every cast. Fireball tho hits like a wet noodle.
I like how Ven makes these clips of super asinine, niche scenarios of mages being "bad", and then you go and look at all the leaderboards for all content and mages are at the top, where they've always been.
Yeah, this is what shadow priest mind spike, and mindblast do. literally 12k crits. Literally just rotating cooldowns until void torrent. While fury warrior, ret paladin, DK, DH, Rogue, and Mage can kill you through a 4 second global in the start of the match
Fire mage feels like youre shooting puff balls in pvp. Granted i never got 424 gear just my experience with 411 gear. Hunter on the other hand feels like your shooting dam harpoons at the enemy. Feels so good to be able to actually do damage when your release your cds. I truly hope they dont keep nerfing mm....im really enjoying it at the moment tho from what i hear from 10.1 is not good. That being said im a glass cannon. But ill take that any day as long as i can give good damage
So ven. Are we just gonna ignore the fact that shadowbolt as demo after buffs hits 10k crit fully geared??? Demon bolt only hits 16k on crit, and demo locks get no covenants abilities…
Idk if I subscribe to the idea that fireball should hit hard. The way the spec is currently designed it's a builder spell. Kill command or steady shot don't hit hard. Now with that being said I do thing fireblast and pheonix flames should have more damage throughput outside of combust and pyro. More consistent damage and less focus on combust
Basically the life of a frost dk since forever. Outside of our tiny burst window that we get CCd through or out perfect situation chill streak that's a stupid bouncy snow ball every single obliterate and frost strike is just meh damage that feels awkward to sit there and tickle people with.
Well deserved, mages have been blessed since day 1, all they have buffs is buff, buffs and if blizzard nerf them with 1% next patch is a 10% buff😂 maybe its time for FMage to fell how it is for other classes
glass cannon doubles the dmg of ignite if you stack mastery your ignite ticks for literally 50k when combustion is up fire mage is nuts on the ptr atm Idk why he keeps posting these things complaining but fire mages is doing way more dmg than most of the classes on the ptr lol.
If you think steady shot and fireball are comparable you are wrong sir. Hunters can’t get locked nor is that the only damage they are doing when casting steady shot. Auto attack and pet damage add up too. This does less than steady shot too.
It is very comparable if you continuously cast ONLY steady shot just like fireball here. Even if you add auto attack and pet damage then it possibly does even less DPS than in this vid.
Everybody is becoming mad like this after dragonflight. Back then we had no reason to rage because back then pvp was actual pvp not the joke we have now.
@@davidgarcia-rv3fs I haven’t played dragonflight just wotlk and classic but I heard good things when it came out. Was pretty happy it seemed to be doing well. But I guess not 😞
@@davidgarcia-rv3fs jeah i always wonder why people still play retail pvp :D its sooooo freaking bad. and some even say "retail is super balanced!" lol
Dragonflight season 1 started out pretty good. Then tier sets and stuff came out and rogues got super dominant, but it was still a fun meta. But 10.07 made pvp almost unplayable for everyone but a few s tier classes. Most people who don’t pvp for a career stopped queuing and just waiting for 10.1. I hope ven can find some other games he can stream cause I don’t think he’s enjoying WoW anymore, but I’m just speculating.
Meanwhile I banished someone to the shadow realm with a 115k non crit mortal strike last night 👀
Warrior need major nerf
Yup and there's never any talks about nerfing warriors but yet they buff the shit out of spriest XD😂😂😂
Playing my warrior feels like I’m cheating. Consistent damage is so high and then I can always one shot someone with spear avatar. And the only class that I don’t automatically have 100% up time on is a frost mage.
Good thing it didn’t crit or else you would have deleted his character.
@@DavidHernandez-yb5pz for real 😅
Mage is in a ridiculous state in general. We sure are a long way away from that fragile caster that blows you up in 6 seconds. Nowadays we’re practically unkillable if you know your kiting patterns, and we do no damage…
Frost mage can blast pretty well in arena, haven't faced any of the other specs in a while.
@@maartenneppelenbroek That's true, though we still don't blast hardest (and it is literally our class fantasy to do so) - but yeah, it's the reason I only play it.
By the way mages are getting even more damage buffs today. They've buffed us on like 15 different occasions dince DF came out and I suspect we'll still have low damage. Absolutely hilarious.
They’re buffing mage damage but lowering bonus crit damage from like 170% to 140% across the board. We will do less damage over all
@@christ938 It's 175% to 150% - so true, but this only applies to PvP. There were PvP specific buffs for mage to cope with that change - these changes are for PvE where there is no change to how crit works.
So would you rather be able to be killed in half a second while also being able to blow people up? or have insane mobility, cc, and survival while doing little damage?
.
You can't have both.
Meanwhile, prot warrior hits for 100k shield charge 😆
The whole wow community knows this except for the WoW dev's themselves
They know it also, they just don't balance more than one spec for pvp at a time. One spec is good, one can be ran as a cheese or in specific comps ok'ish and the other is trash.
Every season it rotates which is in what spot but that's all they do.
Mage been in god tier mode since the dawn of times. It's okay to suck one or two expansions lol
@@Vic-qp1gk well that's a lie, they only been god tier because of rogues.. outside of that they don't have many other comps that they can run with. Mage/Warr+WW is about all that kinda competes but doesn't do that well. Duels and open world PvP don't mean shit
I love using my normal rotational abilities on UHDK and SP and getting shitty damage like this outside of a Go. Then I get on my BM, my Arms Warr or my Lock and just casually shit out 50-120k hits all the time..
Isn't sustained dmg in general weak in pvp in retail with most of the dmg coming in bursts?
Weird how a cloth or leather wearing classic is tankier than a plate wearing tank
What did you have level 20 greens?
I used to love just messing around with mage in unrated bgs, and raids but I find the class super weak and dull now
It's so bad and unfun to play
Arcane and frost are both mid tier viable. Arcane especially can be so much fun. But the learning curve is steep and if you’re just trying to mess around on an alt it might be a lot.
@@doctorferdinand1003 I’ve never enjoyed any iteration of arcane
This aged VEEERRYY well
Bring back MoP game design please
Tauri wow brother
not sure what build you are running but im lobbing 40-60k insta meatballs for a good 8secs and it procs pretty much every other hotstreak. I notice nobody uses the improved scorch either which basically just procs pyros every cast. Fireball tho hits like a wet noodle.
I mean, what's the design philosophy behind fire mage damage? Is it about consistent damage, or burst windows? Cant have both
Neither.
I like how Ven makes these clips of super asinine, niche scenarios of mages being "bad", and then you go and look at all the leaderboards for all content and mages are at the top, where they've always been.
fr, bro is showing chain hardcasting fireball as if fire mage were supposed to do that
That third 7k really hit the spot
Now it hits near 200k lmfao
Idk tf blizzard is smoking man but they are literally always FULL send or no send
Wait till you see what backstab hits for
frost DK pressing obliterate without pillar vibes
Is this post rework on ptr?
Try combustion then Pyro blast ?
Its not like mages haven't been OP or top tier like 95% of wows life span anyway. You can easily survive some minor downtime as top tier😅
Fire still paying for the sins of shadowlands s1,2 and 3
they must repent
Were they nuts in SL? I didn't play that xpac
fire has been the main pvp spec for the last like 5 years@@slammedridesgaming
@@slammedridesgamingoh yes. Lmao 😅
I don't get it I'm completely fine with fire rn I top dps in solo just need the right roto
Fire mage used to be insane in pvp back during wotlk and mists of pandaria, wtf happened?
Yeah, this is what shadow priest mind spike, and mindblast do. literally 12k crits. Literally just rotating cooldowns until void torrent. While fury warrior, ret paladin, DK, DH, Rogue, and Mage can kill you through a 4 second global in the start of the match
Fire mage feels like youre shooting puff balls in pvp. Granted i never got 424 gear just my experience with 411 gear.
Hunter on the other hand feels like your shooting dam harpoons at the enemy. Feels so good to be able to actually do damage when your release your cds.
I truly hope they dont keep nerfing mm....im really enjoying it at the moment tho from what i hear from 10.1 is not good.
That being said im a glass cannon. But ill take that any day as long as i can give good damage
meanwhile i be getting 140k lava lashes and 200k else blasts
Dudes in shadowlands doing wrath of the lich king levels of damage lol
So ven. Are we just gonna ignore the fact that shadowbolt as demo after buffs hits 10k crit fully geared??? Demon bolt only hits 16k on crit, and demo locks get no covenants abilities…
Partial absorb for the 7k hit? but even still glad I don’t play retail anymore lol
Tanking in pvp is so fun right now, almost all the tanks are viable in damage and can go 5v1
Idk if I subscribe to the idea that fireball should hit hard. The way the spec is currently designed it's a builder spell. Kill command or steady shot don't hit hard. Now with that being said I do thing fireblast and pheonix flames should have more damage throughput outside of combust and pyro. More consistent damage and less focus on combust
Kill command slaps btw
kll command doesnt hit hard? are we playing the same game?
You can think whatever you want, but sacrificing 15% of your healthpool to do this damage is just bad.
Kill command is your main damage lol
Basically the life of a frost dk since forever. Outside of our tiny burst window that we get CCd through or out perfect situation chill streak that's a stupid bouncy snow ball every single obliterate and frost strike is just meh damage that feels awkward to sit there and tickle people with.
frost dk is top 5 dps spec in dragonflight and in wotlk... i think it is a you problem and not a dk problem
@@sash7268You know what pvp means?
@@doncorleone1720 less than 5% of playerbase actually cares about pvp
@@sash7268 cuz u to bad
Fire mage tactic in wrath: tag every1 with living bomb and wait for the fireworks lol
Why fire mage needs to be every season the top casters? That’s ok sometimes to be low tier
Since when does playing an undergeared character mean we should buff a class. Fire mage is nuts in pvp and is top meta in pve
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7 KAY! 7 KAY!?
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And then you get +????% dmg because "your last fireball didn't crit"
I’m ashamed to say I still play this shite, just can’t shake that addiction.
I didnt know brian koeberger is out on bail
Game became shit when numbers skyrocketed
Fire mage was a pain in the ass for a very long time. I think this is okay for a while.
Just be glad fire mage is buffed now legit doing 500k fireballs to low stack tanks and a mil or more dmg in under a second or 2
7k was my shadow bolt in tbc classic
Lmao!😂
Needs to be doing atleast 30k
That's what mines doing and it can crit for way more
Fire has had its years, let something else shine
Well deserved, mages have been blessed since day 1, all they have buffs is buff, buffs and if blizzard nerf them with 1% next patch is a 10% buff😂 maybe its time for FMage to fell how it is for other classes
Yseria's Gift vs fireball
You’ve got bad build bud Ny fire ball hits for 30-50k every cast and crits at 110-135k
Compare this to their changes in the War Within alpha, yikes
I've never seen a video of this guy where he wasn't whining
Its funny that fire mage blast in pve
mage busted af.
cit: wow forum
Until Cata the fire mage was actually nice to play, good dmg. But after Cata sucked so badddd
This game is balanced by mobile gamers
Literally his newest video is him saying fire mage is good. Im out
Perfectly balanced
My fire mage garbage right now :(
glass cannon doubles the dmg of ignite if you stack mastery your ignite ticks for literally 50k when combustion is up fire mage is nuts on the ptr atm Idk why he keeps posting these things complaining but fire mages is doing way more dmg than most of the classes on the ptr lol.
Wait, so we get to play a dot spec now?
That sounds pretty fun, maybe blizzard finally realized that fire burns when it burns :D
@@Calcapwn300 yeah pretty much. But that's good because it looks like dot specs are gonna be the meta
@@rabee53 so Afflic will be beast?
@@Worldindecline690 It looks like its gonna be disgusting yes.
Try playing sub rogue rn
I'll wait.
State of the game made me quit. Started playing fallout 76 hahaha
Ya mage needs some love
You just ain’t playin it right
I do more dps on my fire mage in wrath classic lmao
Sub rogue backstab hits for 3k, shadowstrike hits for 10k and evis hits for 30k
Maybe try buying DF and levelling up and you'll hit harder.
Yea thats incredibly low considering there are constant walls/defensives that shouldn't be in the game
Fire mage is fine...
NO it's not!!!!!!!!!???
are you kidding me the cc and defense a fire mage has?
First time playing mage? 😂
This video is pointless. What he is doing is the equivalent of an MM hunter spamming only steady shot and then thinking that MM hunters do no damage.
If you think steady shot and fireball are comparable you are wrong sir. Hunters can’t get locked nor is that the only damage they are doing when casting steady shot. Auto attack and pet damage add up too. This does less than steady shot too.
It is very comparable if you continuously cast ONLY steady shot just like fireball here. Even if you add auto attack and pet damage then it possibly does even less DPS than in this vid.
Yeah, wait till he gets two crits in a row and can uncork a massive 40k pyro…
What a weak game
Wotlk damage
Bro is using his filler abilities and thinks he's supposed to annihilate people. brotherman
ur casting fire ball over and over.... thats not how you play fire mage.
WoW is weak tbf
Keep fire where it is
What happened to this guy. He used to be so chill buddy needs to take a break from WoW
Everybody is becoming mad like this after dragonflight. Back then we had no reason to rage because back then pvp was actual pvp not the joke we have now.
@@davidgarcia-rv3fs I haven’t played dragonflight just wotlk and classic but I heard good things when it came out. Was pretty happy it seemed to be doing well. But I guess not 😞
@@Noctrl100 dragonflight has always been a joke. I am talking about wow during wotlk cata and Mop. Those were the good pvp days.
@@davidgarcia-rv3fs jeah i always wonder why people still play retail pvp :D its sooooo freaking bad. and some even say "retail is super balanced!" lol
Dragonflight season 1 started out pretty good. Then tier sets and stuff came out and rogues got super dominant, but it was still a fun meta. But 10.07 made pvp almost unplayable for everyone but a few s tier classes. Most people who don’t pvp for a career stopped queuing and just waiting for 10.1. I hope ven can find some other games he can stream cause I don’t think he’s enjoying WoW anymore, but I’m just speculating.
Ahaha ok how about do a real burst on the target with proper setup with your priest and rogue buddies?
The bias is real 😂
meanwhile hunters are hitting for 107s lol my poor maage :(
Nobody cares