It seems simple too, fix the mmr system, and buff the struggling healer classes. Done. With more options and more people healing, it would reduce queue time, and feel more rewarding. Yet this wont get fixed until the end of the expansion per usual.
Nobody wants to q solo shuffle, it's my favorite game mode but by the time q pops I've been on high alert pvp mentality for 30 minutes whilst doing absolutely nothing so I only get anxious, not more focused.
I'm 1600 CR, going against Multi glad Mage/Rogue comps back to back. Its a joke. Highest rating I've ever had is 1950. Like wtf 🤣 unbearable to play tbh.
Venruki partakes in official Blizzard content like hosting AWC and other PvP related content. He sees the players feed back and responds with constructive criticism and ideas much like the rest of us. What does Blizzard do? Puts more store mounts up.
Venruki also hypes every expansion, and then makes same exact video about people quitting after the game is released and hype is dead. It is the same shit every year lmao
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The biggest issue is the 30min queue, who the fk has time to wait 30 minutes in a queue.
The actual biggest issue is the initial gear to get started in pvp. If you fix that issue then the queue time will fix itself as more players participate. That is why I frequently say the gear for pvp should be free... especially given that it is currently (outside of delves) the worst gear in the game yet requires the same grind as when it was the best in the game. But this is only in the context of participation. The biggest issue is that players are still paying for the game while complaining about it. Complaining says bad. Paying says good much louder than complaining.
The PVP reward/rating system needs a complete overhaul. The MMR/CR system might have worked in the past, but times have changed and the game has completely evolved even with the past few expac’s. A new style of ranking and reward system is needed. ASAP
But it doesn't. Because the current system makes them a huge amount of money. If you do the calculation at the estimated 7 million subs, Blizzard is making 100 million dollars a month despite how bad the game is. When you have a company that only cares about money the way to tell them it needs to be fixed is to stop giving them your money.
Got to 1880 cr blitz ( I was on winning streak) then suddenly game puts me with 1400/1500 mmr lobby. When I win I get 0 cr when I lose I lose 20 cr (game fucked me )
Had a similar experience. Was on a winning streak. E.g my mmr was 1600 but got into 1900 matches. A lose was 0 rating loss, a winn was 80ish. I hit 1800 quickly… rating normalited. With my alt I have the exact same issue of the opposite. Getting in marches 2-300 beloe my mmr. A win is like 0-8 and a lose is like -100
I'm 1580 cr with a 2k MMR and I gained +7 for a win and -20 for a loss. (im 14wins / 3 loss). I just decided to not play that bracket at all, very obnoxious and waste of time.
I also quit BG Blitz, i wanted to farm vicious saddles and eventually get 1.8k later this season. But Blizzard can't fix vicious saddle progress although it's a known issue for over 4 weeks now. And I was 1720 rating with positive win ratio and from one day to the other i get thrown into 1400 lobbies where i can get 0 rating from a win but have the chance of losing minus 20 or more for losses. I don't want to waste my time in a hamsterwheel.
That's pretty much what happened to me. I was in the 1700's trying to push for 1800, than all of a sudden I started losing more of my games and I got dropped down to like 1500 and just kept yo-yoing my rank up and down making it impossible to reach 1700 again... I just got tired of the grind... I would have to have a winning streak and never lose to get my rank back up, but obviously that's just not possible in a random match
@@FNESSE Its worst for me i had 10win streak in blitz 1.5mmr and mmr never went up,then started losing after 100 blitz still 1.6 cr in 1.3mmr.And im 2.5 rated in RBG with thousands of games and 2.5 rated in arenas got the brain but i give up now every game i lose 20 rating and for win i get +3.Then i log on my alt warrior that i suck at with lower gear too and i get 2.4mmr wins,20games 1.9cr.makes no sense
My friends and I stopped playing PvP in general because for over a month the Vicious Saddle has been bugged. After we earned our season one it freezes progress on the second one. They decided to fix the CR bug that was awarding progress pre 1000 but not this one.
exactly, if you want to play MMO PVE, WoW is the king, if you want to play PvP, go play CS, OW, valorant, GW2 pvp, whatever that is balanced and popular and fun
you are in the most "time respecting" period of wow. And because they devalued time committed people just left because they want the commited time and achievements in game respected and not given away later much faster and easier
@@86Corvus Then I guess WoW just had to pick a side. I doubt there are a lot of people who want to be forced to play 20+ hours a week to keep up like they did 20 years ago.
They need to add this and just better incentive/awards for getting promoted from gold to plat etc because a stupid weapon enchant as an award is fuckin lame af. There are so many more better ideas out there for rewards
They definitely need to make some kind of league based on various atributes... and create reward system which actually rewards you for the time spent in the game... I play wow mainly for PvP, so far PvP sucks... especially from technical perspectiv... class balance is the least important problem currently
I find it quite ironic. 2 Weeks ago I wrote on r/WoW a post about reworking the Rated PvP Reward system to prevent player bleeding in activity population. I outlined the system to change so that there's 2 types of rating tracks. One for the matchmaking, which is performance based. And another which is for the rewards which is win-based. You get rewards slowly over time in a season, just by winning. If you lose, you don't lose progress to your rewards track. Only rating for your matchmaking value. So over time everyone should be able to earn the elite set + the Illusion over the course of the season, with your individual player skill only determining how fast you finish that grind. Gladiator title, tabard and special cloak are still matchmaking rating based on season conclusion. That way all players have the incentive to play. The best get the rewards significantly faster, while the worst can work towards it over the course of the season. Means more players participating. Means more players queueing. Right now we are in a phase of decline of Population. I sent Blizzard via feedback ingame the link to the post. It's their move to make the right choice now.
I made similar post on worldofpvp subreddit and I got downvoted shit ton. I literally said we need more rewards that are not exclusive to top 1% player base. Most people said that we have a plenty of rewards already and telling me to quit being crybaby. Yeah. So that sums up well how wow PvP community is.
I like your comment about losing. As a shitty player that has played for a long time, I just cannot compete at 2200+, throw me a freakin bone for the games I put that I lose. Make not so punishing. I know there would have to be a way to combat win trading and other exploits. But man, the guy who works all week and can only play 20 hours a week would thank you.
@cuneytunsal5422 then they don't have to. Still better than now, and thats coming from a player who gets every reward for everything every season. There needs to be a way to get rewards for the players who aren't as good. if you aren't with that then go play male softball because that's the best they could shoot for in their miserable life.
i'm barely an 1800 player, i don't play for rating. if the elite set sucks i don't even play for the transmog, i just enjoy pvp. i'm not queuing up right now, healing in solo shuffle feels abysmal. even when healer balance was great in S1 dragonflight it felt like you had no agency as a healer in solo shuffle, now it's just a coin toss.
I will share my experience with you. I main Retri pala. I'm really good in 1v1 and a decent player in Blitz. I mainly def bases and 90% of time successfully. So i was 2812 rating in Blitz (i think Rank 7 or 6 of Ret palas). The games were smooth, players that knew whats going on and usually the games ended pretty much for a small difference in points. After reset on Wednesday 16/10/24 EU, my matchmaking was with really lower MMR, players that didnt had a clue and i started droping rating. I am now 2255 rating hard stuck, we cant win more than 2 games in a raw because its a team game.... and when i win i get +9 and when i lose -16. TY GOD i received all the rewards and I am safe to say i will play Blitz next season.. GJ BLIZZARD you destroyed your new feature.
Well at least you were smart enough to queue Blitz instead of RBG in week 1. Enjoy the free Grand Marshal/High Warlord/Elite participation awards lol. I was leveling all alts to 80 and did Shuffles instead in the first week and was Rank 3 Holy Pally in NA at 1812CR...
@sproosemoose285 If you say that ret is busted, then I'm sorry but you are a noob at game. Or missed the last 3 weeks. Maybe look at feral, sp, frost Mage, affli. Then you will understand.
I been a hard core pvp player for 15 years. Been glad a few times and try to lfg to 2400 every season. DF season two broke me . I went from 2600 in SL to 1600 for months. I went to M+ it was new and fun. I went from pugging 18+ to breaking 7s. The only thing I have left is raiding twice a week until my subscription is up.
The difference with Keys is that the keystones AND rewards were squished. ie. you get KSM now with 8s/9s instead of 15s. PVP rewards have not been squished.
7s are relatively similar to what 18s were in the old system, so don't be hard on yourself for bricking those keys. Learn to get better and overcome the challenges, and it's the best feeling in the game.
If you can do +4s, you can do +9s. I have a lot of alts and do a lot of keys and doing +4s with 590ish ilvl feels exactly the same as doing +9s with 610ish ilvl. +10s and above are where it gets difficult.
I rage logged last night after winning 3 bg blitz in a row and gaining zero rating. What is this hidden MMR nonsense. Like I lose two then win 3 in a row so I can't gain rating?? It LITTERALY just says rating unchanged 😂
Yup same here i lost over 400 rating because of this. I would win 5 in a row and get 0 rating from it and stay at the same mmr. Then i lose right after and get -20. Feels like my character is bricked so i just stopped playing
I'm 1580 cr with a 2k MMR and I gained +7 for a win and -20 for a loss. (im 14wins / 3 loss). I just decided to not play that bracket at all, very obnoxious and waste of time.
Wow that's insane I didn't even know that could happen, they shouldn't put you in a blitz if it's impossible for you to gain rating from the win, what's the point??
It's the same issues again this expansion; 1.Healing is not rewarding enough for the amount of headache you go thru 2. Mmr is busted, especially for healers. 3-3 should net you a positive rating even if minor not lower it or give you 0. 3. Im glad some people enjoy blitz, but now there is 5 rated pvp modes now divided among the already small pvp player base.
i agree but blitz is not the reason why arena is kinda dead. theres even 5 versions of wow , dividing the community so much if u wanna go that direction. ( tww, cataclysm, classic era, hardcore , and sod) but that isnt really the problem , if they fix the mmr in 3v3/ solo shuffle the game will feel alive again. everybody that isnt playing right now will suddenly wanna Q again we have enough playerbase for the game to feel alive if they do something about mmr
If you dont enjoy healing pvp maybe you should branch out and try melee/ranged dps ?? or another healing class? I have 2 healers and enjoy pvp a LOT! but I can relate to the frustration of being trained - its gotten more tolerable as I got older
i can enjoy healing since i tryed classes who can also dps, like pres evoker. also the fast ques are really nice if you dont want wait 30 min to get a few games in. overall the gameplay makes still a lot of fun and i like smashing buttons.
@@kattpuzn for me its opposite, its gotten less tolerable the older I got, but mostly due to how many micro cc's every single class has nowadays. Knock, disorient, sleep sheep fear leap away, feign, kicks of days, knockups, 5 different stuns, 3 different silences (not to mention, almost everyone pvping is alliance, and night elf at that, so you have meld on top of all the micro ccs fkin you up real bad already)
Shadowlands was the last expansion where 3s was a thing. Everyone plays solo so you just can't get glad unless ur an awc team. 0 inflation. Not re subbing until glad is achievable without having to be multi r1 awc team.
This is actually true. Mmr system isnt broken because its supposed work when lots of people are pushing their rating. If small number of playerd are pushing rating then mmr cap wont be getting higher. Blizz should change the way the system works.
@@petersirota5124 Yeah and PVP participation was the highest its ever been. Queues were near instant for any PVP content. What do they do? Nerf it into the ground and kill PVP participation lol
it’s so fucking cooked. What are they thinking man?? They have no problem inflating HP and damage until i only see phone numbers on my screen but god forbid we have MMR inflation
I quit about 3 weeks in. Figured I'd come back once they're done with the huge balance changes lol but I have to admit it's less of a headache now that I've taken a break and have enjoyed gaming elsewhere.
@@kevinc8955 I've been playing WoW for over 15 years for the PvP. MoP was IMHO the peak of WoW PvP. There are plenty of others who play purely for the PvP. Yes I do mythic +, raids, world content. But at the end of the day the main reason I play is for PvP. If that's not enjoyable then I'm not very inclined to do the other content. Thanks for your very very intellectual opinion though. Maybe now we can all go outside and catch butterflies now that you've enlightened us about how WoW PvP isn't worth playing WoW for. While being in the comments section for a (mainly) PvP players RUclips video 🤡
With BG Blitz I have been noticing when the Q pops, there are usually 5- 10 cancels before I get into a game. I started to wonder if people are trying to Q up at the same time (organizing it in discord), and then either getting in or cancelling when they don't? Thoughts?
@@gureidens61 yes, I me to! lol. However, I'm noticing way more declines within the time limit to accept. I have a timer for everything, so I can see how much time is left before Q is dismissed. I think there is a lot of people trying to win-trade or trying to get boosted.
there 100% is people queuing at the same time i have 2 characters above 2400 cr in blitz in europe , in total i queued more than 400 blitz this season i have seen in multiple occasions 4 ,or more members of the same guild in the same bg and leading the game in the chat
People will always find a way to exploit the system and since blizz just is a small indie company you rly can't expect them to have a good matchmaking system in place.
This is my first season in PVP and probably my last. Ill rank as good as I can now, get the rewards etc but I don't think Ill return next season. I've been pugging m+ for the first time ever and as a tank. Everyone I talked to said it was a bad idea and that the puggig community was complete garbage - but so far I've had a better experience doing that than playing solo shuffle. PVP players are non-communicative and indifferent at best and borderline abusive at worst. I'm not a horrible player. I have 60% win ratio at 1700 something. Not that bad for a noob. But people have told me to kill myself for picking the wrong target. It's just not very welcoming for new players. Even though I hate sitting in long queues I kinda think they are deserved. This is what you get for being such a shitty community.
My favourite part of the video is when you try and defend that Feral/Spriest/Hpal aren't dominating then proceed to absolutely reinforce this point when checking the brackets.
Last week I officially quit solo shuffle and other than the occasional bgblitz I just push mythic keys and end tier delves and raids. I feel much better, much less stressed and I actually have the chance to gain the rewards and have fun pushing content. I’m done with pvp unless I see a wall of text in the upcoming hotfixes explaining how they are fixing mmr and cr systems including the needed class balance.
@@neptune7426 this is exactly what Bluetooth blizz are trying to achieve - try are making the pvp side of the game so uncomfortable that they push players towards pve content. They know if they can pvp overnight, they will lose lots of players, but if they can get us going pve content, then sunset pvp.... They keep the money
@@mark561 actually if you notice the big blitz mmr system is just as retarded. I’m 1,8 rated getting queued against 1500 teams and when we lose because we all know its a coin toss, I get -18 every time and when I win I get 8 rate. It makes abs no sense
Ive been playing since 2004, been pvping the whole time My first break into higher rated pvp was MOP at 2200+ RBG DF i was 2100+ solo shuffle every season and 1900+ RBG. Currently 1600 SS 2v2 and 1800+ Blitz Ive been an Arms warrior basically the whole time. I think the biggest difference for me is the accessibility to character swapping on Alts. Before if someone had a geared character and was PVPing on it, that was their main and what they are focused on. Rarely did people swap to the hot patch buffed class because the time time investment and gearing would take weeks before they could max it out. (speaking of course before character boost). PVP for many has become the flavor of the week type game play. MW one week, Feral the next, and H Pally the following... Which is fine, but without these subtle patch buffs they may not be in the MMR they are. I had a friend in DF who regularly sat 1200-1400, but Feral got buffed, he re rolled and hit 1790. He has never got close since. I think blizzard needs to be more on top of patching over tuned classes, MMR, and overall PVP balancing if its this easy to make a fresh char, level and gear it so quickly. Before they could sit on a over-tuned patch because it would take weeks for people to benefit from the buff, but now if you really want you can benefit that day! If out of no where people who have never played feral are able to get 1800+, maybe feral is a little strong. IDK. I remember in 2006 I re rolled from Hunter (60) to Warrior fresh, that warrior didnt see action until TBC because of the leveling and gearing took a while. What also doesnt help is people who arent 2400 arent even getting the mount progress, hard stuck between 1000-1799 you get so little, why even play.
The problems start at entry level PvP. Premade "Epic bg communities" are farming people just trying out PvP for the first time. I have recommended a few friends to try WoW PvP but they all quit between 5-9 games in because they got farmed after being told to start in Epic bg's because its easier to learn without gimping your own team. These communities are gatekeeping PvP and driving participation down. Not to mention people premaking Blitz by sync queuing with 2 Duo queues and win trading if they dont get on the same team. Sync queues need to be made against TOS and action taken against such instances.
💯 brother. I LOVE epics so that’s all I do in wow. I’ve briefly been in most of big premade comms (horde & alliance) and most of the time you just steamroll pugs. Def not a level playing field or very sporting. Premade v premade can be super fun but they don’t happen as often as u think. The premaders are legit farming new players and casuals out of the game; some of the more toxic comms (bsg) will emote with glee while they do it. Some of the comms (avm) will only take pops against smaller, beatable, premades or pugs. There are some good ppl in these comms but lots of bad, rotten, apples too. I try to warn pug groups if they’re up against a stacked premade. I recommend just warning others (point out key names and comms) & afk out … hop on an alt and fish for a pug v pug epic. I think participation in epics is actually up in TWW. Running into way less premades in the evenings compared to DF.
@@raymondsublett3108 There must be fewer horde players. I've probably picked up 300 or more of those crates by now and I don't think I've lost it more than 5 times to horde.
It's good that we have a voice like yours Venruki, because the SLQ situation really is ridiculous. Blizzard did away with the guild system, today it's very rare for you to find friends who form a group for pvp, the option for us older players is solo play but the way it is, it discourages us and keeps us away from wow, we need more influential voices like yours to try to improve this situation. We know how tiring it is to keep repeating the same words, but you represent our voice and we need to tirelessly hit that key! Thank you Venruki!
I am begging for people to also call out that the shuffle problem is happening as bad or worse in 2s. I can literally push higher in shuffle than 2s rn, where I have a similarly skilled player on voice chat with me.
tired of PAYING a monthly for a game to wait to play a game inside of a game... Shuffle or blitz queues take too long likely letting my game time run out. Turning into DF 2.0
I started playing wow for the first time this expansion im 23 years old and so far I’ve been enjoying myself … somewhat. I initially started playing wow only looking forward to pvp but as the weeks past I noticed that literally the top one percent best players were stuck at low mmr. Once I realized this fully I gave up because there is no way someone like me can get any rewards. I’m currently 1800 in solo shuffle and stopped playing PvP fully. I plan to not return until they fix the mmr. I would like to be able to actually progress and get better at a reasonable rate not be capped by blizzard.
@@BeowulfGaming I’m actually 2450 io currently and do enjoy m+ … when I get groups. I feel like most of wow is sitting around waiting to find people to play with I reckon 60% of my time on wow is just sitting in dornogal waiting
@@Synqs yeah I'm a new player too and having to wait 15+ minutes to do anything in this game is starting to get really old idk how people enjoy the afk sim wow is
Blitz is pretty frustrating. I go up 50 rating then go down 50 rating. I play obj and tend to be top 1-2 in dmg/kills but it's impossible to control some healer who decides to go try and solo cap a node right off the hop and throws the game. In the losing games there's almost always someone throwing. My last EOTS we had one node and flag, rogue ninja'd their other node we're sitting pretty just gotta chill and protect flag. ONE warrior from other team comes to attack FC with 7 of us there, dude runs in the cap, we lose our 2 nodes because node swap. People panic to get node and we dont get flag mid. Other team holds and caps to win. Shit like this always happens. One guy throws game and my rating gets fucked.
I get this. I go LM as Mw and it's on, other teams sent both healers to LM, we've lost BS and I check the map just after dying, Disc priest is trying to solo mine and then starts complaining.
This video actually made me feel a bit better! I recently returned from a 13 year hiatus and was around 2100-2200 at my peak. Now granted Im playing a new class and new role and I have tons to learn about a lot of things but playing 1700s and feeling overwhelmed really had me discouraged. Glad to know being a born again newb is only half the problem to my current MMR blight gives me slight hope 😂
I already quit, got to 1900 and got fucked by glads all day. It ain't worth the 20+ min q's. I'm not that good, i dont wanna be that good but there's no incentive to me until they fix mmr
I've loved arena since I started playing back in TBC, I played till Cata, took quite a break and came back in SL together with a former arena team mate just to fall straight back in love with it again, the high damage and quick gameplay really got me hooked and we got back in shape in S2 of SL and got glad and peaked at 2800mmr @ 2700 rating, what a blast it was. I still like how the game has felt from SL through DF and now TWW, but yes. The incentive to que up in 2s and 3s are not there at all atm, I do appreciate a challange but like you said Ven, rating has to matter, there has to be some connection between the sweat that goes down in these matches compared to the rewards. I honestly can't be bothered to have 200 games played on my main that I used to be glad on to be stuck at 2k rating, I mean, I might have lost a bit of my skill since my peak because I don't play as much anymore, but struggleing to claim rewards that have never been a problem for me to achieve in the past feels like shit honestly, It's like I am Benjamin button progressing through life in the opposite order.
MMR is for sure the biggest issue. I still remember s1 of SL I played with some high rated xp friends, and we played the best comp for our classes at the time which was Warr/SP/RSham. There was no deflation of MMR. I had gotten my glad mount with in 2 weeks of the season, and I pushed 2630 (155th on NA ladder). Now if you look at the ladder, we are 6 weeks in and there's 1 person around 2630, and they're #1 on the ladder. If you went down to the person at 155th place, he's probably around 2280 or something. That's a huge drop off. I don't necessarily agree that they should drop the glad mount to lower rating because at that point, they don't have enough rewards in the game to give a new reward every 200-300 rating. I think 2.4 is USUALLY at a good place where you should drive to be better at the game in PVP, and work your way into getting a 2.4 and glad mount. But with the MMR deflated like this, I can see why so many people won't even bother trying to go for it when you have to struggle at 2.1-2.2 fighting multi-glad and r1 players.
Shadowlands had mmr inflation, now it is the opposite. It shouldnt be that hard to find an inbetween. But blizz cant seem to find a solution or they just dont care
@@cuneytunsal5422 s1 wasn't super inflated. It was the second and third seasons that were super inflated. And yeah, I don't know why they're doing what they're doing.
@@tylerporciello1222 i dont know which season is more inflated in shadowlands. However when I see a glad mount from SL in my shuffle games he is the most clueless in the lobby. Its like reverse glad mount thay exposes youre bad at the game 😂
@@cuneytunsal5422ya and everyone complained because it allowed for like 20 total players to get their rating so high they had rank 1 in the bag and dint even have to play the last couple weeks, and I'd rather have it like that then what we got now.
@@cuneytunsal5422really? For me it's the ones that came before that. Like especially the ones from bc and wrath. Nothing like some boomer who thinks he's good because he played when the game had 6 buttons lmao. Trash ass old fks. I have huge respect for mop and wod glads. Everything else was a joke in comparison. Minus this season. Df was Hella easy for me to get glad. Easier than sl. Bfa wasn't hard for me but you had to grind out so much shit to be able to be good.
Worst part about the PvP is definitely Q times and MMR issues. Of course balancing classes all that jazz is frustrating but it’s like no one plays until they just add that number fix for MMR and by then loads have walked away or gave up. I’m honestly shocked it’s still an issue.
I tried a number of blitz matches and, I swear to God, with 1 or 2 exceptions, all the matches I have been in felt like being in a random bg hero team vs. Korean MLG players. And then I just kinda gave up and just did random bgs, no difference between them anyway right now. WTF is going on with this MMR?!
I am surprised people still play warcraft with all of these issues going on still. Blizz knows people will not quit even though they are making the game more unbearable every passing day.
You could play new world and not get a patch for a full year. People hate on blizzard a lot, but they aren’t that bad of devs when you are getting hot fixes every few days, balance every few weeks and content every few months. AGS new world dev team on the other hand, hands down the worst devs I have seen in my lifetime.
@@TheHollowGloom Blizzard doesn't even fix anything useful from what it sounds like. Overall, their sub numbers have been declining because the devs are not fixing what needs to be fix.
WoW PVP is just 2 groups: 1. Multi gladiator content creators that monetize the game. 2. New players that won a few games and concluded they are going to beat everyone.
They need to reduce the solo shuffle rounds from 6 to 4. 1. Mitigates healer burnout 2. Decreases impact of leavers/disconnects 3. Lessens snowballing issues where a single bad round cascades into a weak link who is targeted the rest of the game 4. Addresses MMR volatility: Fewer rounds could help stabilize MMR gains/losses by focusing on a smaller sample size, reducing extreme swings caused by inconsistent performance across many rounds. 5. Encourages higher quality gameplay Likely also will decrease the queue times as it is less of a commitment to queue up - games are faster and many of the issues are already addressed.
has to be 6 or 1 to be fair.. With 1 sounding the best because it then fixes que times and toxicity in one swoop. Nobody asked for shuffle we asked for solo queue 3v3 period. 1 single round. no bs. no problem.
BG Blitz was being driven by the seasonal rewards for people. Once everyone got the seasonal mount and realized the Vicious Saddle progress was bugged, they just dropped Blitz. I'm one of them. I was really enjoying blitz and would be grinding vicious saddles still. But its bugged. I'm back to being a PvE Andy again. Until they fix the bug then I'll be back on my hunter annoying those enemy flag carriers.
As said in the video there should be recolors of Gladiator Mounts for different brackets, as in the last 24 hours 2s and 3s brackets have about 2500 games played, solo shuffle despite being capped with mmr has 34000 rounds played thats nearly 14x times the amount, I find it rather interesting that Gladiator mounts are still only given out to a bracket that makes up around 5-6% of games played / characters from the whole pvp bracket. In terms of activity its the 2nd least played right after rgb and tied with 2s. What i also find kinda scary is that TWW S1 3s ladder has more end of expansion participation numbers , as normally season 1 of an expansion is often the most inflated due to incredible high participation which tends to reduce season by season, when season 1 of tww already looks like this how will a season 3 or maybe even 4 look like participation wise?
Agreed that rating system is broken and is likely the number 1 reason people are quitting. Another thing that is interesting are the dramatic disparities in what is good in M+ vs Arena Style PvP vs BGs vs Raiding. RSham is generally considered one of the worst in PvP but is by far the best spec for M+. Mistweaver Monks are gods in BGs, garbage in arena and pretty trash in M+. DKs are by far the most represented dps in M+, did great in BGs until the nerfs, but are pretty garbage in arena. Feral and Spriest are doing very good now in PvP but are nowhere to be seen in M+. There are a bunch of other examples but I just find it interesting how from one mode of "end game content" to another that specs can see such a dramatic difference in effectiveness.
Biggest issue in wow pvp is premades in unrated content (bgs & epics); they are legit farming new players & casuals right out of the game. Also wow pvp is incredibly complicated for most new players; if the pvp population is to grow they need to cater even more to noobs & casuals.
As a not new player but definitely not high rated player, my hierarchy of issues are 1st: queue times. My first priority or desire is to improve as a player. If I can’t get a lot of reps I can’t improve. 2nd: mmr or rating system and understanding it. Numbers being arbitrary and mean something different between every season kinda makes it weird. Although not necessarily a big deal as lower rated player. I just want to know what percentile I am. If that could be possible I’d love that. 3rd: class balance.
All of my friends and I haven't PvPd on WoW in years for this reason alone. We were sick of facing multiglads at 1600-1800 MMR having basically no chance of winning.
"Straight up not true"... Bro think for 1800 and lower which is 80% of the population and general BG people tired of the bullpucky. Yes over 1800 you might see warrior/rogues etc.. but these are elite players like yourself who don't suffer from grouping or gearing.
I mean I'm really surprised that holy priest is being left so far behind other healers also, some brackets they are as low as 0-2% of healers would love to see a bit more healer balance tuning hopefully the patch helps Mistweaver in arena but I feel hpriest is in some urgent need of some love.
I agree, the desire for the devs to attach rewards to random static numbers like 2400, instead of percentile based, so it just scales properly every seaoson, ect, or normal ranks. Like Silver 123 also screws over noobier players, they dont understand why they where 2400 last season but now they're stuck at 1800, is cuz they never really got that great in comparison, and have an inflated ego over their CR... This "Check" on the mmr reset each season makes them not want to play
I agree about MMR and healer balance. In terms of healing balance, I think a massive thing is the amount of cc, especialy micro cc, influences healing balance heavily. It gets frustrating. Personally I would reduce the amount of cc, make damage, cds, defensives and heals stronger, have a burstier meta in the game, it's just more fun and would probably fix a lot of balance issues within the game. Also, less instant moves, make spell that need casts to be stronger, risk vs rewards. I also think that there's issues with the pvp gearing system right now, I don't think you get enough honor from rated arenas, for those that like to play only arena, it will take them ages to get the honor in order to buy the sockets, it can put them at a huge disadvantage. We also need a sync for bloody tokens, once your character has all the gear they need then we have nowhere to put the rest, could we not have the opportunity to by the reagents for sockets through this, i thought it would be an obvious thing. In the long term, I would love to have a new mode within pvp, not rated of course, if you remember the forge in halo, it was really popular that people could create their own maps for people to compete on, I think this would bring much more creativity and fun to the pvp experience.You could make ridiculous bgs and arenas that offer an environmental challenge as well.
I really think that boosting communities are to blame for the MMR system being so absolutely fried. Boosting has become rampant and only those people who are part of the community can wintrade/push rating, it comes down to sheer luck if you manage to break into that bracket as its filled with multi awc winners/players gatekeeping your average pvper at 2100. Everyone who plays over 200-300 matches should be at least 1800-2100 without exception. The dropping of mmr also glitches the system, when they do glad boost at 1600mmr by dropping on 2 characters from 2400. @Venruki what is your take on this?
Seramate you can actually see which characters belong to the same account/person. its an absolute joke that basically top20 consists of like only 6 or 7 actual players. (example numbers.. i think its even worse). The integrity of the ladder is destroyed, that simple. In 1 year without massive overhauls the same 20 people will face each other with their alts at a certain rating only. What does everybody expect when rank1 players fill up the ladder rankings with their army of alts over the span of only a couple of weeks because playing and gearing alts is that easy and fast nowadays?! Let that keep going for another 6 months and the ladder is filled with rank1 player alts from 2300-1800 only and nobody can get higher because those are not real players but only alts. And everbody else on the ladder is gatekept at that threshold and lower than they actually could be because rank1 players + their alts are "stuck" at these ratings. The combination of stupid MMR system and rating system coupled with the ALT disease that spreads on the ladder is whats mainly wrong atm.
Wait you actually got rating from winning? Twice I have won a battleground blitz match and was at the top mmr bracket. My reward was: "Rating unchanged". I flipped out and made a ticket where the gm simply said to submit a bug report/suggestion. Sheer incompetence.
On my paladin I Really wanted to get 2100 cr in blitz so I could get area 52 sets, since I have reached 2400 in multiple seasons I was thinking that the challenge would be 1900 to 2400, but it's been two weeks that I'm stuck on 1500!!!!! Every game I win my rating will be either unchanged or I get +5 to +13 ratings, and when I lose which is 50%- 50% , I get -15 I was playing for the whole day and I got from 1550 to 1480 in that whole day of playing!!! Why in bracket that winning or losing is dependent on what teammates you get is having such troubles for players to rank up????? In solo shuffle I wouldn't complain since if you play good you should be able to win 4/6 matches at least but blitz is completely on luck and class dependant.... Why blizzard has done this??? I don't want to charge my account for the next month just because I know this problem is not going to be fixed for 11.5 maybe I just wait for the next season maybe since paladin elite set is such ugly for this season.
frost mage get obliterated by hunters, warlocks, ferals, and sps, and has significantly less ladder representation, why is frost mage a problem and not warlocks when its the least op and least represented of the bunch?
the funniest part about this entire video is him saying he didn't agree with what the guy said about class imbalance, then pulls up drustvar and the first screen shows a massive representation of all the specs op listed lmfao
It's just deja vu. We had these exact problems in DF and I remember you making these videos back then too. I honestly don't think anyone at Blizzard is listening to any of this feedback because this isn't a new issue at all. I want to be positive because I love this game but the writing is etched in the walls.
This has been going on literally since they changed titles from percentage based to static ratings. Even then, way back in legion I believe it was, I knew it was a mistake. I knew as participation started to dwindle, those numbers would get harder and harder to hit. Back in legion, when they first changed all the titles to static ratings, they all became easier to obtain than they used to be. Now with less participation and deflation, those same titles and rewards are harder to obtain than they originally were. For example, 2100 right now is waaayyy lower than top 3% right now. In fact, actual top 3% cutoff right now is 1942. For 2v2, even assuming there’s half the participation there than there is in 3s, (I’d be willing to bet there may actually be more participation in 2s and 3s) the top 3% cutoff is 1888. These are absurdly low ratings for such high level gameplay, and it’s exactly why everyone is so frustrated.
I am a 2300 last season enhance. I see a frost mage and I don't quit but I know it is a 1-5 or 2-4 lobby. MMR in SS allowed a lot more people to get rewards and it was a lot more fun.
@@cs4mo Yes it's solo Considering you use to actually talk to people get them to sign your arena charter. Form a team with a name. And push that teams rating. .. now you don't talk. You just que. .. 5 players not talking to each other. Is not. "Massive multiplayer"
@@jonathanrothmare3509 just because you dont talk doesnt mean its not online. You act like you get matched wit bots and play solo. You can talk, you choose not to. Its your problem buddy
This makes me feel a lot better than I felt. Just been playing at like 1.7 and 1.8 as Demo lock. Seems like im actually near the top cause no one plays the spec. Sorta sad, its actually fun sending the gates of hell at people I recommend it for anyone looking to play off meta
I got banned for 3 weeks to say a plan in Blitz RBG lol, game is going shit right now, u cant play, u cant take rewards, u cant say anyting because this crystal generation. Game going trash
Honestly the game is pure shit now. The anniversary patch made it worse. They just constantly keep changing and over tuning classes to the point that it’s almost impossible to keep up with the bullshit meta. And it’s so obvious that you’d have to be an idiot not to see it. Balance isn’t that bad? Are you blind? Put an MM hunter against a shadow priest. Watch them absorb millions of damage all while pumping out millions of damage. Most of these crap charts are based on representation of classes which enforces what I said about the constant meta shift. When you Q into 3 ret paladins or 3 shadow priests or three feral druids. You know what’s going on. Meanwhile classes like dev evokes with their spammed disintegrate ticking for 300k flies under the radar because they are poorly represented. I mean k Mon 90% of the top players couldn’t even start to play without macros and add ons. You included. The game isn’t about skill it’s about which class in on top of the meta this week. It’s not flavor of the month it’s flavor of the week. PvP in wow is an unbalanced unrewarding joke!
I agree wow pvp is a joke, and making wow pvp your main game is actually crazy. Go play any other game if you wanna PvP (in general, not directed at you)
@@NoobGamer-di1dwthey’re a ton of mmo’s with good PvP if you are only playing wow pvp that’s on you. I play wow for the pve it’s really good, but the PvP is not designed well, and it’s super unfriendly to new players so it will never grow sadly.
@JEROBI37 But wow pvp is pretty much the best MMO pvp you can get today. Do you think it's too much to ask, from one of the largest gaming companies, for some effort in keeping all aspects of their game in proper functionality? (We will pretend that W3, SC2 and HotS don't exist for a second)
@@jarnomon1best is relative terminology. The definition is different from one person to another. I’m not sure what your measure is when it comes to labeling it as the “best” tho. I stopped playing WoW PvP and started playing GW2. It is 100x better in my opinion.
Mistweaver here. I fell off the game because balance felt bad, I was struggling to climb, and work got busy. Was thinking about coming back and went to one of the tracker sites to see what people were running. Not a single fistweaver and basically no one over 2100. Completely lost interest and haven't thought about playing since. It's hard being a healer in solo shuffle when balance in good and healers are strong. It's incredibly deflating playing a bad spec in this system.
It's true that once you get stuck at a certain rating you lose the good feeling you have at the start of the season when you feel like you are progressing. I don't think the MMR or CR really matters. It just gets annoying when you are stuck at a rating and the next reward is out of your grasp, specially in a mode where you are many times dependant on random teammates you get and you can feel like you played well but you couldn't turn the tide by yourself or there is another player just throwing. I know that the CR/MMR can't just keep going up infinitely, but they should add some kind of solution for that, something that incentivices participation and replayability. My 3 initial suggestions to start fixing this problem would be: 1- Make getting rewards easier so people are more inclined to play. I think most people don't care who's gladiator or rank 1 or whatever, the title is fine for exclusivity or add something else, but make the cool and flashy rewards like mounts obtainable for the community. You need the game mode to be popular, not elitist. 2- Add a reward that allows for fast gearing of another character once you hit a certain (realistic for many players) rating or play a number of games on a character. This way once you reach the rating where you are "stuck" you can try something else, or even have a second character of the same class without going through the boring grind, it's already boring enough to have to level, no need for extra gearing steps while you are underpowered, allow people to jump into PVP and enjoy the mode. This would also promote variety as people would not see trying a new class as as much of a time investment. 3- Stop making PVPing expensive. The least time you have to be farming gold, the more time you can PVP. 2 possible solutions. 3.1- Remove crafted gear and other expensive stuff. A lot of people that like PVP just wants to PVP, not farm gold. Also new people trying the mode can be disincentiviced by having to "waste" large amounts of gold to try the mode and gear up. 3.2- Directly make PVPing profitable. Either add good amounts of gold to the rewards, or indirectly reward materials or some other stuff that can be sold. But this has to be increased to a level where doing PVP is self-sustainable.
Make. The. Game. LESS. Complex ! ! ! Results: -> Easier to balance specs -> More fun for everyone -> Easier to understand classes -> Better access for new people -> Easier to remember cooldowns -> No need to cluster your UI to track every CD -> Simpler UI -> Easier for people to watch/spectate a game (eSports) etc. Hero talents are a good idea to provide more variation, class identity etc. but along with the sheer amount of talents it's just messy. Honestly, I prefer the talent tree from cata. Or maybe create a hybrid between the cata/MoP talent tree and the new one in a " Less choices but bigger impacts " style ! And reduce the amount of abilities in general. We don't need 3 charges, 10 blinks. Give a player 10 abilities MAX. Such as 4-5 dmg abilities, 2 movement abilities, 1-2 cc, 1 burst and 1 defense ability, 1 support skill
The MMR is absolutely atrocious... been stuck around 1,7k forever... after winning a game I'm lucky to get at least some rating usually nothing... and losing 2-3 games in row and rating -60... (bg blitz)... I basically gave up playing pvp with my main... play with low alts where it's still fun...
Going to share this as a casual wow player since wotlk - usually play for several months to a year or so each expansion since then. Every time I try to start up PvP, do random BGs, or in recent years try joining a skirmish or to do arenas I feel incredibly ineffective. Where I may do totally fine in PvE content none of the stuff I try to do in PvP works, really at all, so I have to start looking up how to PvP and that starts a ridiculous rabbit hole. I almost always think "i should do some pvp" at least once during an expansion, I go into PvP and I don't have a lick of fun and then I don't touch it again until that feeling comes back. I couldn't tell you a specific reason or some mechanic wrong with the game, but I doubt my experience is unique. If you wanted to talk about the 'barrier to entry' or anything like that it would be a big part of PvP not being popular, but it also just isn't very fun from a casual viewer/player perspective. This may just be a big case of "git gud" on my part but pvp in this game has never seemed like a good use of time from a fun/reward/playtime kind of perspective, probably because I haven't put in the time to be good at it, and casual forays into it lead to me being ineffective and a drag down on my teams, unfortunately.
maybe the main issue is not mmr, because even in casual pvp games the queues are like 6 - 7 mins meanwhile in GW2 I can find 5v5 game in a 1 or 2 minutes, and GW2 has way less people playing the game.
"SP/Feral/Frost mage/Hpal dominating everything IS NOT TRUE!" Oh i'm sorry, he forgot to add BM hunter. THEN THE STATEMENT WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE TRUE. EDIT: This vid was released before the busted black arrow rework, so BM hunter wouldn't have applied. Therefore, the original statement is ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
I used to play SOLO shuffle hours daily. 2400+ every season of dragon flight. Now literally not a single person my spec is 2400… so I just don’t bother playing, I check back every once in a while to see if it’s fixed, nothing yet.
I'm actually fine with them capping MMR and slowly increasing it week by week if it was applied to all content. The fact people got 2700 in the first week of Blitz with 50% or less winrate while people in Shuffles got maxed out at 1800 tilted the shit out of me lol.
Ive ALWAYS been a pvp focused player. This is the first expansion i have totally given up on it and just dived into pve. Otherwise i believe i would not be playing this xpac still.
The reason I quit is why waste my time waiting for long queues when I can just log into another game and instantly play. Wait for healer. Play two games. Healer quits and I’m waiting again. It’s not balance. It’s not mmr. It’s the fact that I log in and hurry up to wait. Wait in queue. Wait for teammates. I’ll go play something else
I wanted to post here because I respect vens dedication to the game I love. I think they should change the ranked 2s bracket to only double dps. No healers allowed. That way it would be more fun for the people that want to que with a friend that both play dps (which there is a lot more of). Also it would potentially funnel the healers that que for 2s into SS or 3s. What do you guys think?
@@cuneytunsal5422 I agree r/m would be the top of the ladder. But me and my best friend beat r/m all the time around 1700 rating. Lots of fun when we get other double dps teams.
1) 2v2 is the best bracket to learn how to heal in arena 2) 3v3 and solo shuffle is too overwhelming for new healers; new players in general 3) 2v2 is the easiest bracket to get rewards from (like the elite set, which many players are after) 4) not every class is as viable for double dps as others so it would make certain classes ignore the bracket completely 5) healers in 2s is not the core problem, the core problem is that healers are too strong; if you look at cataclysm classic you'll see that double dps dominates 2v2 6) some people only play 2v2 healer/dps believe it or not, it's not a guarantee that those healers will migrate to ss/3s; it's more likely that they'll just quit playing
I’ve tried every expansion except Shadowlands but the last expansion that I actually stuck around for awhile and was serious about progression and pushing rating was Cataclysm. This is the first expansion in over a decade where I’ve been really serious about progression in both PvE and PvP but I am LOVING frost mage!!!
My community is quite happy now. Dozens of us have returned to do pvp, but only unranked some blitzz sometimes. If they'd force us back to arena then we quit and never looking back. The game is finally playable with DF/Tww changes.
so weird how huge companies can't fix basic problems. if this was a passionate indie developer the ratings would be fixed overnight
Well said 💯💯💯💯
thanks for confirming you're a he/him. I couldnt tell by your extremely masculine appearance. weirdo conformist.
There's no will. There's no man power. There's no urgency.
It seems simple too, fix the mmr system, and buff the struggling healer classes. Done. With more options and more people healing, it would reduce queue time, and feel more rewarding. Yet this wont get fixed until the end of the expansion per usual.
huge companies have like 36 layers of redundant marketing professionals who somehow have approval on creative decisions. Industry is cooked.
Im a casual player who plays after work... The 30min ques are what is killing me.
Nobody wants to q solo shuffle, it's my favorite game mode but by the time q pops I've been on high alert pvp mentality for 30 minutes whilst doing absolutely nothing so I only get anxious, not more focused.
lol
This is 100% my issue as well. I dont have all day to queue and play 6 games. I have 3 hours at night and spend most of that sitting in a queue
Weird. I play EU as DPS. I log on and queue Blitz and Solo Queue after work. I wait 5 min tops until one of them pop, usually Blitz.
I queue solos while I create a group for 3’s
Usually around a 2200 player. Getting stuck at 1800 in solo shuffles Qing into entire lobbies of people with glad titles feels bad lmao
i was 2800 last 2 seasons in SS, and cant break 2200 this season.
Exactly. Usually well over 2100 for me and right now losing rounds at 1500 because people make too many mistakes
I'm 1600 CR, going against Multi glad Mage/Rogue comps back to back. Its a joke. Highest rating I've ever had is 1950. Like wtf 🤣 unbearable to play tbh.
I got 2400 last season and I’m stuck at 1700 - 1800
I'm just curious why on every one of my toons, I ALWAYS queue against my hard counter match after match.
Venruki partakes in official Blizzard content like hosting AWC and other PvP related content. He sees the players feed back and responds with constructive criticism and ideas much like the rest of us. What does Blizzard do? Puts more store mounts up.
Good Point, if he can't get their attention who can? Or people like him, Supatease also does this and it's like nothing gets fixed.
Yeah because they know youll never quit so why bother? :P
@@mcvalley1273I quit a month ago because of this
oh and recycle all the content we ever had! i feel we are becoming garbage trucks just chuck that garbage in there to recycle
Venruki also hypes every expansion, and then makes same exact video about people quitting after the game is released and hype is dead. It is the same shit every year lmao
The biggest issue is the 30min queue, who the fk has time to wait 30 minutes in a queue.
streamers lol
Jobless bums aka streamers
Blizzard can't fix it if people don't play healer. SO PLAY HEALER!!!
@@360Hawktuah that's what really is killing a game.
The actual biggest issue is the initial gear to get started in pvp. If you fix that issue then the queue time will fix itself as more players participate. That is why I frequently say the gear for pvp should be free... especially given that it is currently (outside of delves) the worst gear in the game yet requires the same grind as when it was the best in the game. But this is only in the context of participation. The biggest issue is that players are still paying for the game while complaining about it. Complaining says bad. Paying says good much louder than complaining.
The PVP reward/rating system needs a complete overhaul.
The MMR/CR system might have worked in the past, but times have changed and the game has completely evolved even with the past few expac’s.
A new style of ranking and reward system is needed. ASAP
10 thumbs up.
Actually that is the reason Player dont Play PvP for more then few weeks.
But it doesn't. Because the current system makes them a huge amount of money. If you do the calculation at the estimated 7 million subs, Blizzard is making 100 million dollars a month despite how bad the game is. When you have a company that only cares about money the way to tell them it needs to be fixed is to stop giving them your money.
Got to 1880 cr blitz ( I was on winning streak) then suddenly game puts me with 1400/1500 mmr lobby. When I win I get 0 cr when I lose I lose 20 cr (game fucked me )
Here's some useless advice that annoying people will throw at you - "Don't be unlucky" or the patronizing "Get good"
U got to 1880 from wich? And in how many matches?
Had a similar experience. Was on a winning streak. E.g my mmr was 1600 but got into 1900 matches. A lose was 0 rating loss, a winn was 80ish.
I hit 1800 quickly… rating normalited.
With my alt I have the exact same issue of the opposite. Getting in marches 2-300 beloe my mmr. A win is like 0-8 and a lose is like -100
@@gureidens61 I have 200+ game
I'm 1580 cr with a 2k MMR and I gained +7 for a win and -20 for a loss. (im 14wins / 3 loss). I just decided to not play that bracket at all, very obnoxious and waste of time.
If only we had someone that pvps alot and works for blizzard to tell them how to make pvp better....
Where did Talbadar go is he still there?
good luck, they’re not interested
the right person to swing the hammer on something like this is just too hard to get ahold of. Too many channels and too deaf.
@@frostgodx “we want this”
“You think you do.. but u don’t😹🫵”
Ironically the biggest problems in the game are the players who play too much...
I also quit BG Blitz, i wanted to farm vicious saddles and eventually get 1.8k later this season. But Blizzard can't fix vicious saddle progress although it's a known issue for over 4 weeks now. And I was 1720 rating with positive win ratio and from one day to the other i get thrown into 1400 lobbies where i can get 0 rating from a win but have the chance of losing minus 20 or more for losses. I don't want to waste my time in a hamsterwheel.
I really hope they fix the Saddle progression. I'm 1850 in Blitz and would like to maybe earn a reward for it...
That's pretty much what happened to me. I was in the 1700's trying to push for 1800, than all of a sudden I started losing more of my games and I got dropped down to like 1500 and just kept yo-yoing my rank up and down making it impossible to reach 1700 again... I just got tired of the grind... I would have to have a winning streak and never lose to get my rank back up, but obviously that's just not possible in a random match
Same bro, I hit 1750 and I quit after the soul crushing back and forth.
@@FNESSE Its worst for me i had 10win streak in blitz 1.5mmr and mmr never went up,then started losing after 100 blitz still 1.6 cr in 1.3mmr.And im 2.5 rated in RBG with thousands of games and 2.5 rated in arenas got the brain but i give up now every game i lose 20 rating and for win i get +3.Then i log on my alt warrior that i suck at with lower gear too and i get 2.4mmr wins,20games 1.9cr.makes no sense
1750 is very impressive and Lucky to be honest @@FNESSE
My friends and I stopped playing PvP in general because for over a month the Vicious Saddle has been bugged. After we earned our season one it freezes progress on the second one. They decided to fix the CR bug that was awarding progress pre 1000 but not this one.
Yeah I’m done there is all sorts of dope games without the blatant disrespect of my time.
exactly, if you want to play MMO PVE, WoW is the king, if you want to play PvP, go play CS, OW, valorant, GW2 pvp, whatever that is balanced and popular and fun
@@BeowulfGamingyep, gw2 PvP is king, even pve in that game is more appealing to me because it isn't balanced around toxic esports
you are in the most "time respecting" period of wow. And because they devalued time committed people just left because they want the commited time and achievements in game respected and not given away later much faster and easier
@@86Corvus Then I guess WoW just had to pick a side. I doubt there are a lot of people who want to be forced to play 20+ hours a week to keep up like they did 20 years ago.
MMR and rewards are the biggest issue right now. We need a league based MMR system with gold, silver, bronze etc.
This.
They need to add this and just better incentive/awards for getting promoted from gold to plat etc because a stupid weapon enchant as an award is fuckin lame af. There are so many more better ideas out there for rewards
They definitely need to make some kind of league based on various atributes... and create reward system which actually rewards you for the time spent in the game... I play wow mainly for PvP, so far PvP sucks... especially from technical perspectiv... class balance is the least important problem currently
It’s 2034. Man settles on Mars. Hawk Tuah girl is president. Blizzard is still unable to copy basic features that League had 20 years ago.
We need pvp to be interesting again, there's too much healing going on and it's too dependent on cc chains for it to be interesting to most players.
I find it quite ironic. 2 Weeks ago I wrote on r/WoW a post about reworking the Rated PvP Reward system to prevent player bleeding in activity population.
I outlined the system to change so that there's 2 types of rating tracks. One for the matchmaking, which is performance based. And another which is for the rewards which is win-based.
You get rewards slowly over time in a season, just by winning. If you lose, you don't lose progress to your rewards track. Only rating for your matchmaking value.
So over time everyone should be able to earn the elite set + the Illusion over the course of the season, with your individual player skill only determining how fast you finish that grind. Gladiator title, tabard and special cloak are still matchmaking rating based on season conclusion.
That way all players have the incentive to play. The best get the rewards significantly faster, while the worst can work towards it over the course of the season. Means more players participating. Means more players queueing.
Right now we are in a phase of decline of Population. I sent Blizzard via feedback ingame the link to the post. It's their move to make the right choice now.
I made similar post on worldofpvp subreddit and I got downvoted shit ton. I literally said we need more rewards that are not exclusive to top 1% player base. Most people said that we have a plenty of rewards already and telling me to quit being crybaby. Yeah. So that sums up well how wow PvP community is.
I like your comment about losing. As a shitty player that has played for a long time, I just cannot compete at 2200+, throw me a freakin bone for the games I put that I lose. Make not so punishing. I know there would have to be a way to combat win trading and other exploits. But man, the guy who works all week and can only play 20 hours a week would thank you.
@@jeffjackson8755 I’d say “especially you’re paying for this goddamn game”
If everyone gets participation trophy, then it means nothing. If the reward means nothing then people wont grind to get that reward
@cuneytunsal5422 then they don't have to. Still better than now, and thats coming from a player who gets every reward for everything every season. There needs to be a way to get rewards for the players who aren't as good. if you aren't with that then go play male softball because that's the best they could shoot for in their miserable life.
i'm barely an 1800 player, i don't play for rating. if the elite set sucks i don't even play for the transmog, i just enjoy pvp.
i'm not queuing up right now, healing in solo shuffle feels abysmal. even when healer balance was great in S1 dragonflight it felt like you had no agency as a healer in solo shuffle, now it's just a coin toss.
I will share my experience with you. I main Retri pala. I'm really good in 1v1 and a decent player in Blitz. I mainly def bases and 90% of time successfully. So i was 2812 rating in Blitz (i think Rank 7 or 6 of Ret palas). The games were smooth, players that knew whats going on and usually the games ended pretty much for a small difference in points. After reset on Wednesday 16/10/24 EU, my matchmaking was with really lower MMR, players that didnt had a clue and i started droping rating. I am now 2255 rating hard stuck, we cant win more than 2 games in a raw because its a team game.... and when i win i get +9 and when i lose -16. TY GOD i received all the rewards and I am safe to say i will play Blitz next season.. GJ BLIZZARD you destroyed your new feature.
Rbg has the same problem. Its just dumb
Well at least you were smart enough to queue Blitz instead of RBG in week 1. Enjoy the free Grand Marshal/High Warlord/Elite participation awards lol. I was leveling all alts to 80 and did Shuffles instead in the first week and was Rank 3 Holy Pally in NA at 1812CR...
ret is busted. i wouldnt brag about being """good""" at the game bro
@Crobian Jesus.. yea when Blizz put out something new, the smart move to play it insta. After some time usually the f up what they created.
@sproosemoose285 If you say that ret is busted, then I'm sorry but you are a noob at game. Or missed the last 3 weeks. Maybe look at feral, sp, frost Mage, affli. Then you will understand.
I been a hard core pvp player for 15 years. Been glad a few times and try to lfg to 2400 every season. DF season two broke me . I went from 2600 in SL to 1600 for months. I went to M+ it was new and fun. I went from pugging 18+ to breaking 7s. The only thing I have left is raiding twice a week until my subscription is up.
The difference with Keys is that the keystones AND rewards were squished.
ie. you get KSM now with 8s/9s instead of 15s.
PVP rewards have not been squished.
7s are relatively similar to what 18s were in the old system, so don't be hard on yourself for bricking those keys. Learn to get better and overcome the challenges, and it's the best feeling in the game.
If you can do +4s, you can do +9s. I have a lot of alts and do a lot of keys and doing +4s with 590ish ilvl feels exactly the same as doing +9s with 610ish ilvl. +10s and above are where it gets difficult.
I rage logged last night after winning 3 bg blitz in a row and gaining zero rating. What is this hidden MMR nonsense. Like I lose two then win 3 in a row so I can't gain rating?? It LITTERALY just says rating unchanged 😂
Same gave up on blitz just doing regular at this point because I get rating unchanged when I barely win as a healer
Exact same thing happened to me. I won 2 games, got 0 MMR, lost 1 game, lost -12 MMR. How the hell is this supposed to motivate me to play more?
Yup same here i lost over 400 rating because of this. I would win 5 in a row and get 0 rating from it and stay at the same mmr. Then i lose right after and get -20. Feels like my character is bricked so i just stopped playing
I'm 1580 cr with a 2k MMR and I gained +7 for a win and -20 for a loss. (im 14wins / 3 loss). I just decided to not play that bracket at all, very obnoxious and waste of time.
Wow that's insane I didn't even know that could happen, they shouldn't put you in a blitz if it's impossible for you to gain rating from the win, what's the point??
It's the same issues again this expansion;
1.Healing is not rewarding enough for the amount of headache you go thru
2. Mmr is busted, especially for healers. 3-3 should net you a positive rating even if minor not lower it or give you 0.
3. Im glad some people enjoy blitz, but now there is 5 rated pvp modes now divided among the already small pvp player base.
Blitz is amazing what are you on
i agree but blitz is not the reason why arena is kinda dead. theres even 5 versions of wow , dividing the community so much if u wanna go that direction. ( tww, cataclysm, classic era, hardcore , and sod) but that isnt really the problem , if they fix the mmr in 3v3/ solo shuffle the game will feel alive again. everybody that isnt playing right now will suddenly wanna Q again we have enough playerbase for the game to feel alive if they do something about mmr
If you dont enjoy healing pvp maybe you should branch out and try melee/ranged dps ?? or another healing class? I have 2 healers and enjoy pvp a LOT! but I can relate to the frustration of being trained - its gotten more tolerable as I got older
i can enjoy healing since i tryed classes who can also dps, like pres evoker. also the fast ques are really nice if you dont want wait 30 min to get a few games in. overall the gameplay makes still a lot of fun and i like smashing buttons.
@@kattpuzn for me its opposite, its gotten less tolerable the older I got, but mostly due to how many micro cc's every single class has nowadays. Knock, disorient, sleep sheep fear leap away, feign, kicks of days, knockups, 5 different stuns, 3 different silences (not to mention, almost everyone pvping is alliance, and night elf at that, so you have meld on top of all the micro ccs fkin you up real bad already)
2700ish solo shuffler all of DF, stuck at 2k and don’t really want to queue until it inflates
Same.
i tried to power through and now i have over 1000 games played at 2k and im positive my main is now bricked even when inflation comes, if it does
Shadowlands was the last expansion where 3s was a thing. Everyone plays solo so you just can't get glad unless ur an awc team. 0 inflation. Not re subbing until glad is achievable without having to be multi r1 awc team.
This is actually true. Mmr system isnt broken because its supposed work when lots of people are pushing their rating. If small number of playerd are pushing rating then mmr cap wont be getting higher. Blizz should change the way the system works.
And just think ive got 7 glads in the last 3 expansions and was over 3k in shadowlands. And now im hardstuck 2k in 3v3. Litterally 0 reason to log in
pretty sure glad was easily achievable every season of DF. Glads been hard for 1 month and you instantly quit the game in protest lol
@@PeterTheDeleterSorry to say this, But SL Glad is some like 2k in other expansions. Sht was so easy to get.
@@petersirota5124 Yeah and PVP participation was the highest its ever been. Queues were near instant for any PVP content. What do they do? Nerf it into the ground and kill PVP participation lol
Remember guys, this is supposed to be first SEASON of the expansion, mmr should be it’s highest vs the next seasons
it’s so fucking cooked. What are they thinking man?? They have no problem inflating HP and damage until i only see phone numbers on my screen but god forbid we have MMR inflation
Remove mods, every single fucking one of them, which helps you in pvp. Let ALL play on equal terms.
I quit about 3 weeks in. Figured I'd come back once they're done with the huge balance changes lol but I have to admit it's less of a headache now that I've taken a break and have enjoyed gaming elsewhere.
Dude same! I felt a wave of relief once my subscription lapsed.
Same, I realised those 30 minutes I spend in queue could be spent actually playing a game
@@Krillkuttaz lol stop lying, you renew your subscriptions just to complain
There’s like a million things to do in this game. If all you do is pvp, you’re probably playing the wrong game anyway.
@@kevinc8955 I've been playing WoW for over 15 years for the PvP. MoP was IMHO the peak of WoW PvP. There are plenty of others who play purely for the PvP. Yes I do mythic +, raids, world content. But at the end of the day the main reason I play is for PvP. If that's not enjoyable then I'm not very inclined to do the other content.
Thanks for your very very intellectual opinion though. Maybe now we can all go outside and catch butterflies now that you've enlightened us about how WoW PvP isn't worth playing WoW for. While being in the comments section for a (mainly) PvP players RUclips video 🤡
Im fresh into pvp since this week and the amount of people with glad mounts in the 1300-1500 bracket is amazing
Yea it's crazy. Everyone on their Alts rn, seen so many 2.2k enchants at 1200 cr. Huge range of xp between some players
With BG Blitz I have been noticing when the Q pops, there are usually 5- 10 cancels before I get into a game. I started to wonder if people are trying to Q up at the same time (organizing it in discord), and then either getting in or cancelling when they don't? Thoughts?
Theres is logic there but i tough it was just ppl like me waiting 10mins for a match then getting distracted for 20s lol
@@gureidens61 yes, I me to! lol. However, I'm noticing way more declines within the time limit to accept. I have a timer for everything, so I can see how much time is left before Q is dismissed. I think there is a lot of people trying to win-trade or trying to get boosted.
there 100% is people queuing at the same time i have 2 characters above 2400 cr in blitz in europe , in total i queued more than 400 blitz this season i have seen in multiple occasions 4 ,or more members of the same guild in the same bg and leading the game in the chat
They should just allow duo queue for DPS, I would 100% time the queue so I can play rated BGs with my friend in a literal MMORPG.
People will always find a way to exploit the system and since blizz just is a small indie company you rly can't expect them to have a good matchmaking system in place.
This is my first season in PVP and probably my last. Ill rank as good as I can now, get the rewards etc but I don't think Ill return next season. I've been pugging m+ for the first time ever and as a tank. Everyone I talked to said it was a bad idea and that the puggig community was complete garbage - but so far I've had a better experience doing that than playing solo shuffle. PVP players are non-communicative and indifferent at best and borderline abusive at worst. I'm not a horrible player. I have 60% win ratio at 1700 something. Not that bad for a noob. But people have told me to kill myself for picking the wrong target.
It's just not very welcoming for new players. Even though I hate sitting in long queues I kinda think they are deserved. This is what you get for being such a shitty community.
What I can't figure out is them obliterating UHDK but leaving feral completely alone.
made me quit :/
Holy paladin is already in a great spot and is to recieve massive buffs tomorrow lol.
My favourite part of the video is when you try and defend that Feral/Spriest/Hpal aren't dominating then proceed to absolutely reinforce this point when checking the brackets.
Last week I officially quit solo shuffle and other than the occasional bgblitz I just push mythic keys and end tier delves and raids. I feel much better, much less stressed and I actually have the chance to gain the rewards and have fun pushing content. I’m done with pvp unless I see a wall of text in the upcoming hotfixes explaining how they are fixing mmr and cr systems including the needed class balance.
@@neptune7426 this is exactly what Bluetooth blizz are trying to achieve - try are making the pvp side of the game so uncomfortable that they push players towards pve content. They know if they can pvp overnight, they will lose lots of players, but if they can get us going pve content, then sunset pvp.... They keep the money
@@mark561 actually if you notice the big blitz mmr system is just as retarded. I’m 1,8 rated getting queued against 1500 teams and when we lose because we all know its a coin toss, I get -18 every time and when I win I get 8 rate. It makes abs no sense
Ive been playing since 2004, been pvping the whole time
My first break into higher rated pvp was MOP at 2200+ RBG
DF i was 2100+ solo shuffle every season and 1900+ RBG.
Currently 1600 SS 2v2 and 1800+ Blitz
Ive been an Arms warrior basically the whole time. I think the biggest difference for me is the accessibility to character swapping on Alts.
Before if someone had a geared character and was PVPing on it, that was their main and what they are focused on. Rarely did people swap to the hot patch buffed class because the time time investment and gearing would take weeks before they could max it out. (speaking of course before character boost).
PVP for many has become the flavor of the week type game play. MW one week, Feral the next, and H Pally the following... Which is fine, but without these subtle patch buffs they may not be in the MMR they are. I had a friend in DF who regularly sat 1200-1400, but Feral got buffed, he re rolled and hit 1790. He has never got close since.
I think blizzard needs to be more on top of patching over tuned classes, MMR, and overall PVP balancing if its this easy to make a fresh char, level and gear it so quickly. Before they could sit on a over-tuned patch because it would take weeks for people to benefit from the buff, but now if you really want you can benefit that day!
If out of no where people who have never played feral are able to get 1800+, maybe feral is a little strong. IDK.
I remember in 2006 I re rolled from Hunter (60) to Warrior fresh, that warrior didnt see action until TBC because of the leveling and gearing took a while.
What also doesnt help is people who arent 2400 arent even getting the mount progress, hard stuck between 1000-1799 you get so little, why even play.
The problems start at entry level PvP. Premade "Epic bg communities" are farming people just trying out PvP for the first time. I have recommended a few friends to try WoW PvP but they all quit between 5-9 games in because they got farmed after being told to start in Epic bg's because its easier to learn without gimping your own team. These communities are gatekeeping PvP and driving participation down. Not to mention people premaking Blitz by sync queuing with 2 Duo queues and win trading if they dont get on the same team. Sync queues need to be made against TOS and action taken against such instances.
@jdp249 that and why is there always 30 alliance-5 horde every time a supply chest drops?
💯 brother. I LOVE epics so that’s all I do in wow. I’ve briefly been in most of big premade comms (horde & alliance) and most of the time you just steamroll pugs. Def not a level playing field or very sporting. Premade v premade can be super fun but they don’t happen as often as u think. The premaders are legit farming new players and casuals out of the game; some of the more toxic comms (bsg) will emote with glee while they do it. Some of the comms (avm) will only take pops against smaller, beatable, premades or pugs. There are some good ppl in these comms but lots of bad, rotten, apples too. I try to warn pug groups if they’re up against a stacked premade. I recommend just warning others (point out key names and comms) & afk out … hop on an alt and fish for a pug v pug epic. I think participation in epics is actually up in TWW. Running into way less premades in the evenings compared to DF.
@@raymondsublett3108To my knowledge, it's because the Horde are busy fighting in the ffa zones for sparks.
@@raymondsublett3108I thought maybe it's just I'm on a very special server that has low horde population😂
@@raymondsublett3108 There must be fewer horde players. I've probably picked up 300 or more of those crates by now and I don't think I've lost it more than 5 times to horde.
It's good that we have a voice like yours Venruki, because the SLQ situation really is ridiculous. Blizzard did away with the guild system, today it's very rare for you to find friends who form a group for pvp, the option for us older players is solo play but the way it is, it discourages us and keeps us away from wow, we need more influential voices like yours to try to improve this situation. We know how tiring it is to keep repeating the same words, but you represent our voice and we need to tirelessly hit that key! Thank you Venruki!
I am begging for people to also call out that the shuffle problem is happening as bad or worse in 2s. I can literally push higher in shuffle than 2s rn, where I have a similarly skilled player on voice chat with me.
Finally someone mentions 2s. All I hear is “solo shuffle solo shuffle” and “BG Blitz” but nobody talks about 2s. Yes, it does feel even worse there
I was 2367 as rshamn previous season with my bro and now we kinda stuck at 1.9k. Its mental xD
“Idk if you meet the same people”… last night I had 3 shuffle lobbies in a row with the same feral Druid.
tired of PAYING a monthly for a game to wait to play a game inside of a game... Shuffle or blitz queues take too long likely letting my game time run out. Turning into DF 2.0
I started playing wow for the first time this expansion im 23 years old and so far I’ve been enjoying myself … somewhat. I initially started playing wow only looking forward to pvp but as the weeks past I noticed that literally the top one percent best players were stuck at low mmr. Once I realized this fully I gave up because there is no way someone like me can get any rewards. I’m currently 1800 in solo shuffle and stopped playing PvP fully. I plan to not return until they fix the mmr. I would like to be able to actually progress and get better at a reasonable rate not be capped by blizzard.
M+ is where its at my friend
@@BeowulfGaming I’m actually 2450 io currently and do enjoy m+ … when I get groups. I feel like most of wow is sitting around waiting to find people to play with I reckon 60% of my time on wow is just sitting in dornogal waiting
@@Synqs yeah I'm a new player too and having to wait 15+ minutes to do anything in this game is starting to get really old idk how people enjoy the afk sim wow is
@@Synqs i see, i have same rio as you but i am healer main so i wait around 7 seconds to get into a group, i guess its for every DPS the same :/
@@iIyboo The key is having 2 monitors and watching youtube vids while you wait in queue.
Blitz is pretty frustrating. I go up 50 rating then go down 50 rating. I play obj and tend to be top 1-2 in dmg/kills but it's impossible to control some healer who decides to go try and solo cap a node right off the hop and throws the game. In the losing games there's almost always someone throwing. My last EOTS we had one node and flag, rogue ninja'd their other node we're sitting pretty just gotta chill and protect flag. ONE warrior from other team comes to attack FC with 7 of us there, dude runs in the cap, we lose our 2 nodes because node swap. People panic to get node and we dont get flag mid. Other team holds and caps to win. Shit like this always happens. One guy throws game and my rating gets fucked.
I get this. I go LM as Mw and it's on, other teams sent both healers to LM, we've lost BS and I check the map just after dying, Disc priest is trying to solo mine and then starts complaining.
This video actually made me feel a bit better! I recently returned from a 13 year hiatus and was around 2100-2200 at my peak. Now granted Im playing a new class and new role and I have tons to learn about a lot of things but playing 1700s and feeling overwhelmed really had me discouraged. Glad to know being a born again newb is only half the problem to my current MMR blight gives me slight hope 😂
I already quit, got to 1900 and got fucked by glads all day. It ain't worth the 20+ min q's. I'm not that good, i dont wanna be that good but there's no incentive to me until they fix mmr
I hope devs see this, pvp is shambles…
Fix MMR in shuffle NOW NOW NOW!
I've loved arena since I started playing back in TBC, I played till Cata, took quite a break and came back in SL together with a former arena team mate just to fall straight back in love with it again, the high damage and quick gameplay really got me hooked and we got back in shape in S2 of SL and got glad and peaked at 2800mmr @ 2700 rating, what a blast it was. I still like how the game has felt from SL through DF and now TWW, but yes. The incentive to que up in 2s and 3s are not there at all atm, I do appreciate a challange but like you said Ven, rating has to matter, there has to be some connection between the sweat that goes down in these matches compared to the rewards. I honestly can't be bothered to have 200 games played on my main that I used to be glad on to be stuck at 2k rating, I mean, I might have lost a bit of my skill since my peak because I don't play as much anymore, but struggleing to claim rewards that have never been a problem for me to achieve in the past feels like shit honestly, It's like I am Benjamin button progressing through life in the opposite order.
MMR is for sure the biggest issue. I still remember s1 of SL I played with some high rated xp friends, and we played the best comp for our classes at the time which was Warr/SP/RSham. There was no deflation of MMR. I had gotten my glad mount with in 2 weeks of the season, and I pushed 2630 (155th on NA ladder). Now if you look at the ladder, we are 6 weeks in and there's 1 person around 2630, and they're #1 on the ladder. If you went down to the person at 155th place, he's probably around 2280 or something. That's a huge drop off. I don't necessarily agree that they should drop the glad mount to lower rating because at that point, they don't have enough rewards in the game to give a new reward every 200-300 rating. I think 2.4 is USUALLY at a good place where you should drive to be better at the game in PVP, and work your way into getting a 2.4 and glad mount. But with the MMR deflated like this, I can see why so many people won't even bother trying to go for it when you have to struggle at 2.1-2.2 fighting multi-glad and r1 players.
Shadowlands had mmr inflation, now it is the opposite. It shouldnt be that hard to find an inbetween. But blizz cant seem to find a solution or they just dont care
@@cuneytunsal5422 s1 wasn't super inflated. It was the second and third seasons that were super inflated. And yeah, I don't know why they're doing what they're doing.
@@tylerporciello1222 i dont know which season is more inflated in shadowlands. However when I see a glad mount from SL in my shuffle games he is the most clueless in the lobby. Its like reverse glad mount thay exposes youre bad at the game 😂
@@cuneytunsal5422ya and everyone complained because it allowed for like 20 total players to get their rating so high they had rank 1 in the bag and dint even have to play the last couple weeks, and I'd rather have it like that then what we got now.
@@cuneytunsal5422really? For me it's the ones that came before that. Like especially the ones from bc and wrath. Nothing like some boomer who thinks he's good because he played when the game had 6 buttons lmao. Trash ass old fks. I have huge respect for mop and wod glads. Everything else was a joke in comparison. Minus this season. Df was Hella easy for me to get glad. Easier than sl. Bfa wasn't hard for me but you had to grind out so much shit to be able to be good.
Worst part about the PvP is definitely Q times and MMR issues. Of course balancing classes all that jazz is frustrating but it’s like no one plays until they just add that number fix for MMR and by then loads have walked away or gave up. I’m honestly shocked it’s still an issue.
I tried a number of blitz matches and, I swear to God, with 1 or 2 exceptions, all the matches I have been in felt like being in a random bg hero team vs. Korean MLG players. And then I just kinda gave up and just did random bgs, no difference between them anyway right now.
WTF is going on with this MMR?!
"PvP is dominated by 3-4 specs? Nah thats nonsense!" -> proceeds to show it in data lol
#BIGFACTS where is the love for pvp blizz?? Show us you CARE AGAIN!
Thanks Ven for fighting the good fight
I am surprised people still play warcraft with all of these issues going on still. Blizz knows people will not quit even though they are making the game more unbearable every passing day.
You could play new world and not get a patch for a full year. People hate on blizzard a lot, but they aren’t that bad of devs when you are getting hot fixes every few days, balance every few weeks and content every few months. AGS new world dev team on the other hand, hands down the worst devs I have seen in my lifetime.
@@TheHollowGloom So your argument is, "yeah it's bad but it could be even worse"? Damn that's grim
@@TheHollowGloom Blizzard doesn't even fix anything useful from what it sounds like. Overall, their sub numbers have been declining because the devs are not fixing what needs to be fix.
Lots of people quit, blizz just doesnt care at this point.
@@cuneytunsal5422 Their subs are significantly declining which is going to start affecting their revenue.
WoW PVP is just 2 groups:
1. Multi gladiator content creators that monetize the game.
2. New players that won a few games and concluded they are going to beat everyone.
new players that didnt make an impact and luckily got carried, run away from a 1v1
They need to reduce the solo shuffle rounds from 6 to 4.
1. Mitigates healer burnout
2. Decreases impact of leavers/disconnects
3. Lessens snowballing issues where a single bad round cascades into a weak link who is targeted the rest of the game
4. Addresses MMR volatility: Fewer rounds could help stabilize MMR gains/losses by focusing on a smaller sample size, reducing extreme swings caused by inconsistent performance across many rounds.
5. Encourages higher quality gameplay
Likely also will decrease the queue times as it is less of a commitment to queue up - games are faster and many of the issues are already addressed.
this is actually a very interesting idea!!!
How would you balance 4 rounds with 6 people? You can’t.
It has to be 6 - so everyone plays with each other, but i get what your implying
has to be 6 or 1 to be fair.. With 1 sounding the best because it then fixes que times and toxicity in one swoop. Nobody asked for shuffle we asked for solo queue 3v3 period. 1 single round. no bs. no problem.
@@frostgodx Yeah I'm not really sure why they didn't just add rating to 3v3 Skirmish lol
BG Blitz was being driven by the seasonal rewards for people. Once everyone got the seasonal mount and realized the Vicious Saddle progress was bugged, they just dropped Blitz. I'm one of them. I was really enjoying blitz and would be grinding vicious saddles still. But its bugged. I'm back to being a PvE Andy again. Until they fix the bug then I'll be back on my hunter annoying those enemy flag carriers.
As said in the video there should be recolors of Gladiator Mounts for different brackets, as in the last 24 hours 2s and 3s brackets have about 2500 games played, solo shuffle despite being capped with mmr has 34000 rounds played thats nearly 14x times the amount, I find it rather interesting that Gladiator mounts are still only given out to a bracket that makes up around 5-6% of games played / characters from the whole pvp bracket. In terms of activity its the 2nd least played right after rgb and tied with 2s. What i also find kinda scary is that TWW S1 3s ladder has more end of expansion participation numbers , as normally season 1 of an expansion is often the most inflated due to incredible high participation which tends to reduce season by season, when season 1 of tww already looks like this how will a season 3 or maybe even 4 look like participation wise?
Exactly. There is no reason to not have mounts for all brackets other than gatekeepers at this point.
"All classes are good." Says Venruki. *Cries in Retri Pala.*
I’m playing super casual just waiting for the rating inflation to kick in at some point this season
Same, Got 1600 in 2v2 as resto druid and feel like i had to play like a blizzcon champ to get there. Sitting tight for now
Agreed that rating system is broken and is likely the number 1 reason people are quitting. Another thing that is interesting are the dramatic disparities in what is good in M+ vs Arena Style PvP vs BGs vs Raiding. RSham is generally considered one of the worst in PvP but is by far the best spec for M+. Mistweaver Monks are gods in BGs, garbage in arena and pretty trash in M+. DKs are by far the most represented dps in M+, did great in BGs until the nerfs, but are pretty garbage in arena. Feral and Spriest are doing very good now in PvP but are nowhere to be seen in M+. There are a bunch of other examples but I just find it interesting how from one mode of "end game content" to another that specs can see such a dramatic difference in effectiveness.
I just got 1840 finally got my elite set
I play unholy dk
Gratz buddy
gratz
Death Knight’s PvP set is horrible this season
Healer balance is so unveliabable off that is insane
Most Unfun thing ever is SLOWS and MICRO CCs change my mind
Thank you for highlighting this
Biggest issue in wow pvp is premades in unrated content (bgs & epics); they are legit farming new players & casuals right out of the game. Also wow pvp is incredibly complicated for most new players; if the pvp population is to grow they need to cater even more to noobs & casuals.
As a not new player but definitely not high rated player, my hierarchy of issues are 1st: queue times. My first priority or desire is to improve as a player. If I can’t get a lot of reps I can’t improve. 2nd: mmr or rating system and understanding it. Numbers being arbitrary and mean something different between every season kinda makes it weird. Although not necessarily a big deal as lower rated player. I just want to know what percentile I am. If that could be possible I’d love that. 3rd: class balance.
That Kamala Harris promotion they did also didn't help.
don't make it politics we didn't ask for that
That would be a valid point if that had actually happened.
@@duckey599Politics is all around, ignoring it won’t do you any good
All of my friends and I haven't PvPd on WoW in years for this reason alone. We were sick of facing multiglads at 1600-1800 MMR having basically no chance of winning.
"Straight up not true"... Bro think for 1800 and lower which is 80% of the population and general BG people tired of the bullpucky. Yes over 1800 you might see warrior/rogues etc.. but these are elite players like yourself who don't suffer from grouping or gearing.
^ this 100%
in bgb it's more than that. 1800 is bsolutely 92nd percentile. You're in the top 8% just making it to 1800
I mean I'm really surprised that holy priest is being left so far behind other healers also, some brackets they are as low as 0-2% of healers would love to see a bit more healer balance tuning hopefully the patch helps Mistweaver in arena but I feel hpriest is in some urgent need of some love.
I agree, the desire for the devs to attach rewards to random static numbers like 2400, instead of percentile based, so it just scales properly every seaoson, ect, or normal ranks. Like Silver 123 also screws over noobier players, they dont understand why they where 2400 last season but now they're stuck at 1800, is cuz they never really got that great in comparison, and have an inflated ego over their CR... This "Check" on the mmr reset each season makes them not want to play
I agree about MMR and healer balance.
In terms of healing balance, I think a massive thing is the amount of cc, especialy micro cc, influences healing balance heavily. It gets frustrating. Personally I would reduce the amount of cc, make damage, cds, defensives and heals stronger, have a burstier meta in the game, it's just more fun and would probably fix a lot of balance issues within the game. Also, less instant moves, make spell that need casts to be stronger, risk vs rewards.
I also think that there's issues with the pvp gearing system right now, I don't think you get enough honor from rated arenas, for those that like to play only arena, it will take them ages to get the honor in order to buy the sockets, it can put them at a huge disadvantage.
We also need a sync for bloody tokens, once your character has all the gear they need then we have nowhere to put the rest, could we not have the opportunity to by the reagents for sockets through this, i thought it would be an obvious thing.
In the long term, I would love to have a new mode within pvp, not rated of course, if you remember the forge in halo, it was really popular that people could create their own maps for people to compete on, I think this would bring much more creativity and fun to the pvp experience.You could make ridiculous bgs and arenas that offer an environmental challenge as well.
I really think that boosting communities are to blame for the MMR system being so absolutely fried. Boosting has become rampant and only those people who are part of the community can wintrade/push rating, it comes down to sheer luck if you manage to break into that bracket as its filled with multi awc winners/players gatekeeping your average pvper at 2100. Everyone who plays over 200-300 matches should be at least 1800-2100 without exception. The dropping of mmr also glitches the system, when they do glad boost at 1600mmr by dropping on 2 characters from 2400. @Venruki what is your take on this?
Seramate you can actually see which characters belong to the same account/person. its an absolute joke that basically top20 consists of like only 6 or 7 actual players. (example numbers.. i think its even worse). The integrity of the ladder is destroyed, that simple. In 1 year without massive overhauls the same 20 people will face each other with their alts at a certain rating only. What does everybody expect when rank1 players fill up the ladder rankings with their army of alts over the span of only a couple of weeks because playing and gearing alts is that easy and fast nowadays?!
Let that keep going for another 6 months and the ladder is filled with rank1 player alts from 2300-1800 only and nobody can get higher because those are not real players but only alts. And everbody else on the ladder is gatekept at that threshold and lower than they actually could be because rank1 players + their alts are "stuck" at these ratings. The combination of stupid MMR system and rating system coupled with the ALT disease that spreads on the ladder is whats mainly wrong atm.
Wait you actually got rating from winning? Twice I have won a battleground blitz match and was at the top mmr bracket. My reward was: "Rating unchanged". I flipped out and made a ticket where the gm simply said to submit a bug report/suggestion. Sheer incompetence.
Well, what else should the support tell you? They aren't even devs from Blizzard. They are Microsoft game support now. Blizzards CM got laid off.
They annoyed by it aswell. Most of their tickets is about rating hahaha. They like please all fill in a bug report so something gets fixed hahaha
On my paladin I Really wanted to get 2100 cr in blitz so I could get area 52 sets, since I have reached 2400 in multiple seasons I was thinking that the challenge would be 1900 to 2400, but it's been two weeks that I'm stuck on 1500!!!!!
Every game I win my rating will be either unchanged or I get +5 to +13 ratings, and when I lose which is 50%- 50% , I get -15 I was playing for the whole day and I got from 1550 to 1480 in that whole day of playing!!!
Why in bracket that winning or losing is dependent on what teammates you get is having such troubles for players to rank up?????
In solo shuffle I wouldn't complain since if you play good you should be able to win 4/6 matches at least but blitz is completely on luck and class dependant....
Why blizzard has done this???
I don't want to charge my account for the next month just because I know this problem is not going to be fixed for 11.5 maybe I just wait for the next season maybe since paladin elite set is such ugly for this season.
frost mage get obliterated by hunters, warlocks, ferals, and sps, and has significantly less ladder representation, why is frost mage a problem and not warlocks when its the least op and least represented of the bunch?
Found the 1300 rated frost mage
@@cuneytunsal5422 im over 2k on frost mage, Bigmarsh is my character name, nice try though
@@marsh3674 I got an error 500 when trying to access your page
Yesterday ive hit a pooor mage for 2,4m aimshot into 1,4m killshot , darkarrow proccd 4 times somehow killing him at 19% HP. 1 global
the funniest part about this entire video is him saying he didn't agree with what the guy said about class imbalance, then pulls up drustvar and the first screen shows a massive representation of all the specs op listed lmfao
It's just deja vu. We had these exact problems in DF and I remember you making these videos back then too. I honestly don't think anyone at Blizzard is listening to any of this feedback because this isn't a new issue at all. I want to be positive because I love this game but the writing is etched in the walls.
This has been going on literally since they changed titles from percentage based to static ratings. Even then, way back in legion I believe it was, I knew it was a mistake. I knew as participation started to dwindle, those numbers would get harder and harder to hit. Back in legion, when they first changed all the titles to static ratings, they all became easier to obtain than they used to be. Now with less participation and deflation, those same titles and rewards are harder to obtain than they originally were. For example, 2100 right now is waaayyy lower than top 3% right now. In fact, actual top 3% cutoff right now is 1942. For 2v2, even assuming there’s half the participation there than there is in 3s, (I’d be willing to bet there may actually be more participation in 2s and 3s) the top 3% cutoff is 1888. These are absurdly low ratings for such high level gameplay, and it’s exactly why everyone is so frustrated.
I am a 2300 last season enhance. I see a frost mage and I don't quit but I know it is a 1-5 or 2-4 lobby. MMR in SS allowed a lot more people to get rewards and it was a lot more fun.
Solo content in an mmo is the death of mmo
its not solo if youre playing with 7 other people tho now is it??? or in solo shuffle its 5 other people.... so is it really solo???
Yes ur quing up solo ? Its litterally called solo shuffle lmao
There are thriving MMO's with solo content, Blizzard just does it bad, WoW is bad...
@@cs4mo Yes it's solo
Considering you use to actually talk to people get them to sign your arena charter. Form a team with a name. And push that teams rating. .. now you don't talk. You just que. .. 5 players not talking to each other. Is not. "Massive multiplayer"
@@jonathanrothmare3509 just because you dont talk doesnt mean its not online. You act like you get matched wit bots and play solo. You can talk, you choose not to. Its your problem buddy
This makes me feel a lot better than I felt. Just been playing at like 1.7 and 1.8 as Demo lock. Seems like im actually near the top cause no one plays the spec. Sorta sad, its actually fun sending the gates of hell at people I recommend it for anyone looking to play off meta
I got banned for 3 weeks to say a plan in Blitz RBG lol, game is going shit right now, u cant play, u cant take rewards, u cant say anyting because this crystal generation. Game going trash
I also got banned for 3 weeks because of making callouts in Normal BG's. What a joke.
lol same here 9 day ban for abusive language. Last time I checked people personally have to uncensored chat to see vulgar language…
None of you got banned for ‘just giving call-outs’ lmao - you were all toxic and were punished accordingly for abusing teammates. Stop lying.
@masonbarnes48 " abusing teammates" 😆
@@raymondsublett3108 sorry that word triggers you lmao.
Honestly the game is pure shit now. The anniversary patch made it worse. They just constantly keep changing and over tuning classes to the point that it’s almost impossible to keep up with the bullshit meta. And it’s so obvious that you’d have to be an idiot not to see it. Balance isn’t that bad? Are you blind? Put an MM hunter against a shadow priest. Watch them absorb millions of damage all while pumping out millions of damage. Most of these crap charts are based on representation of classes which enforces what I said about the constant meta shift. When you Q into 3 ret paladins or 3 shadow priests or three feral druids. You know what’s going on. Meanwhile classes like dev evokes with their spammed disintegrate ticking for 300k flies under the radar because they are poorly represented. I mean k Mon 90% of the top players couldn’t even start to play without macros and add ons. You included. The game isn’t about skill it’s about which class in on top of the meta this week. It’s not flavor of the month it’s flavor of the week. PvP in wow is an unbalanced unrewarding joke!
Another pointless video that u have already uploaded a bunch like this one and blizz spits us
I agree wow pvp is a joke, and making wow pvp your main game is actually crazy. Go play any other game if you wanna PvP (in general, not directed at you)
@@TheHollowGloomAs far as MMOs go it’s the only good one for PvP. I like it still, but PvE is what you should do more for sure.
@@NoobGamer-di1dwthey’re a ton of mmo’s with good PvP if you are only playing wow pvp that’s on you. I play wow for the pve it’s really good, but the PvP is not designed well, and it’s super unfriendly to new players so it will never grow sadly.
@JEROBI37 But wow pvp is pretty much the best MMO pvp you can get today. Do you think it's too much to ask, from one of the largest gaming companies, for some effort in keeping all aspects of their game in proper functionality?
(We will pretend that W3, SC2 and HotS don't exist for a second)
@@jarnomon1best is relative terminology. The definition is different from one person to another. I’m not sure what your measure is when it comes to labeling it as the “best” tho. I stopped playing WoW PvP and started playing GW2. It is 100x better in my opinion.
Stopped playing because of this. Will try again come the new patch but won’t give it much time
Them taking away pvp participation from the weekly vault was a HUGE mistake.
Haven’t played all season and honestly my happiness in other hobbies have been THRIVING. I like to watch gameplay still but i dread playing the game
Mistweaver here. I fell off the game because balance felt bad, I was struggling to climb, and work got busy. Was thinking about coming back and went to one of the tracker sites to see what people were running. Not a single fistweaver and basically no one over 2100. Completely lost interest and haven't thought about playing since. It's hard being a healer in solo shuffle when balance in good and healers are strong. It's incredibly deflating playing a bad spec in this system.
It's true that once you get stuck at a certain rating you lose the good feeling you have at the start of the season when you feel like you are progressing. I don't think the MMR or CR really matters.
It just gets annoying when you are stuck at a rating and the next reward is out of your grasp, specially in a mode where you are many times dependant on random teammates you get and you can feel like you played well but you couldn't turn the tide by yourself or there is another player just throwing.
I know that the CR/MMR can't just keep going up infinitely, but they should add some kind of solution for that, something that incentivices participation and replayability.
My 3 initial suggestions to start fixing this problem would be:
1- Make getting rewards easier so people are more inclined to play. I think most people don't care who's gladiator or rank 1 or whatever, the title is fine for exclusivity or add something else, but make the cool and flashy rewards like mounts obtainable for the community. You need the game mode to be popular, not elitist.
2- Add a reward that allows for fast gearing of another character once you hit a certain (realistic for many players) rating or play a number of games on a character. This way once you reach the rating where you are "stuck" you can try something else, or even have a second character of the same class without going through the boring grind, it's already boring enough to have to level, no need for extra gearing steps while you are underpowered, allow people to jump into PVP and enjoy the mode. This would also promote variety as people would not see trying a new class as as much of a time investment.
3- Stop making PVPing expensive. The least time you have to be farming gold, the more time you can PVP. 2 possible solutions.
3.1- Remove crafted gear and other expensive stuff. A lot of people that like PVP just wants to PVP, not farm gold. Also new people trying the mode can be disincentiviced by having to "waste" large amounts of gold to try the mode and gear up.
3.2- Directly make PVPing profitable. Either add good amounts of gold to the rewards, or indirectly reward materials or some other stuff that can be sold. But this has to be increased to a level where doing PVP is self-sustainable.
I respect this guy as a gladiator PvP expert. However blizz listen to pros make the game unfun for most
Make. The. Game. LESS. Complex ! ! !
Results:
-> Easier to balance specs -> More fun for everyone
-> Easier to understand classes -> Better access for new people
-> Easier to remember cooldowns -> No need to cluster your UI to track every CD
-> Simpler UI -> Easier for people to watch/spectate a game (eSports)
etc.
Hero talents are a good idea to provide more variation, class identity etc. but along with the sheer amount of talents it's just messy. Honestly, I prefer the talent tree from cata. Or maybe create a hybrid between the cata/MoP talent tree and the new one in a " Less choices but bigger impacts " style !
And reduce the amount of abilities in general. We don't need 3 charges, 10 blinks. Give a player 10 abilities MAX. Such as 4-5 dmg abilities, 2 movement abilities, 1-2 cc, 1 burst and 1 defense ability, 1 support skill
It’s funny that you could have released this video pretty much at any point over the last 10 years and it would still be accurate
The MMR is absolutely atrocious... been stuck around 1,7k forever... after winning a game I'm lucky to get at least some rating usually nothing... and losing 2-3 games in row and rating -60... (bg blitz)... I basically gave up playing pvp with my main... play with low alts where it's still fun...
Going to share this as a casual wow player since wotlk - usually play for several months to a year or so each expansion since then. Every time I try to start up PvP, do random BGs, or in recent years try joining a skirmish or to do arenas I feel incredibly ineffective. Where I may do totally fine in PvE content none of the stuff I try to do in PvP works, really at all, so I have to start looking up how to PvP and that starts a ridiculous rabbit hole.
I almost always think "i should do some pvp" at least once during an expansion, I go into PvP and I don't have a lick of fun and then I don't touch it again until that feeling comes back. I couldn't tell you a specific reason or some mechanic wrong with the game, but I doubt my experience is unique. If you wanted to talk about the 'barrier to entry' or anything like that it would be a big part of PvP not being popular, but it also just isn't very fun from a casual viewer/player perspective.
This may just be a big case of "git gud" on my part but pvp in this game has never seemed like a good use of time from a fun/reward/playtime kind of perspective, probably because I haven't put in the time to be good at it, and casual forays into it lead to me being ineffective and a drag down on my teams, unfortunately.
maybe the main issue is not mmr, because even in casual pvp games the queues are like 6 - 7 mins meanwhile in GW2 I can find 5v5 game in a 1 or 2 minutes, and GW2 has way less people playing the game.
GW2 just has better PvP all around, I never had as much fun in wow as I did playing WvW in GW
"SP/Feral/Frost mage/Hpal dominating everything IS NOT TRUE!"
Oh i'm sorry, he forgot to add BM hunter. THEN THE STATEMENT WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE TRUE.
EDIT: This vid was released before the busted black arrow rework, so BM hunter wouldn't have applied. Therefore, the original statement is ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
I used to play SOLO shuffle hours daily. 2400+ every season of dragon flight. Now literally not a single person my spec is 2400… so I just don’t bother playing, I check back every once in a while to see if it’s fixed, nothing yet.
I'm actually fine with them capping MMR and slowly increasing it week by week if it was applied to all content. The fact people got 2700 in the first week of Blitz with 50% or less winrate while people in Shuffles got maxed out at 1800 tilted the shit out of me lol.
@@Crobian Is this what they are doing or are you using your imagination?
Ive ALWAYS been a pvp focused player. This is the first expansion i have totally given up on it and just dived into pve. Otherwise i believe i would not be playing this xpac still.
after all those years, blizzard is still clueless
The reason I quit is why waste my time waiting for long queues when I can just log into another game and instantly play.
Wait for healer. Play two games. Healer quits and I’m waiting again. It’s not balance. It’s not mmr.
It’s the fact that I log in and hurry up to wait. Wait in queue. Wait for teammates. I’ll go play something else
I wanted to post here because I respect vens dedication to the game I love.
I think they should change the ranked 2s bracket to only double dps. No healers allowed. That way it would be more fun for the people that want to que with a friend that both play dps (which there is a lot more of). Also it would potentially funnel the healers that que for 2s into SS or 3s.
What do you guys think?
Nope, I love healing 2s
I agree with healers being bad on 2s too but if you put them out of the equation rogue/mage wins every game.
@@cuneytunsal5422 I agree r/m would be the top of the ladder. But me and my best friend beat r/m all the time around 1700 rating. Lots of fun when we get other double dps teams.
1) 2v2 is the best bracket to learn how to heal in arena
2) 3v3 and solo shuffle is too overwhelming for new healers; new players in general
3) 2v2 is the easiest bracket to get rewards from (like the elite set, which many players are after)
4) not every class is as viable for double dps as others so it would make certain classes ignore the bracket completely
5) healers in 2s is not the core problem, the core problem is that healers are too strong; if you look at cataclysm classic you'll see that double dps dominates 2v2
6) some people only play 2v2 healer/dps believe it or not, it's not a guarantee that those healers will migrate to ss/3s; it's more likely that they'll just quit playing
I’ve tried every expansion except Shadowlands but the last expansion that I actually stuck around for awhile and was serious about progression and pushing rating was Cataclysm. This is the first expansion in over a decade where I’ve been really serious about progression in both PvE and PvP but I am LOVING frost mage!!!
My community is quite happy now. Dozens of us have returned to do pvp, but only unranked some blitzz sometimes.
If they'd force us back to arena then we quit and never looking back. The game is finally playable with DF/Tww changes.