It is so educational how you are reviewing the Lola documentary with new information and augmented perspective. In my own genealogical investigation, I find myself revisiting documents I discovered early in my search, scraping them for information I didn't realize was useful at the time. I'm paying attention to neighbors on the census, addresses in city directories, other graves in the vicinity of my ancestors' graves. Thank you for allowing me to travel and learn about family & American history beside you.
Thanks for all this sis. This sort of stuff happened all over North America. This is one of the reasons I have such issues with some ... not all, some... Native people who have been repeating this thing that "you have to be recognized in a community" to be considered Indigenous. Kids need to know who they are and where their blood comes from. A lot of people had ancestors who literally covered up their ancestry to avoid death. Creating giant walls to their descendants isn't cultural, not from anything I've ever been taught. As a Maori friend once said to me, as soon as we staart going along with judgmentalism before hearing people's story, we are shaking hands with the erasure of our own people.
The Whites who have taken it on themselves to designated who and what race people are in the world are the biggest identity thieves going...you have in the US your 5 Dollar Indians and whites from Eastern Europe who say they're the Jews from the Bible? But real Jews are Black people
In France, “créole” was originally an adjective: 1) “blanc créole” was a white Frenchman born in the overseas colonies. 2) “noir créole” was a black person born outside of Africa. The term was pejorative: it was believed that whites, in the colonies, softened, even without mixing. The origin of the word came from portuguese "crioulo", via spanish "criollo". The meaning of "crioulo" in the 16th century was "black servant in the master's house". "Criar" is a verb and it means "to breed".
Criollo in Mexico meant 100% Spanish born in Mexico. Seems like it got lost in translation when the French arrived and the meaning mutated. Many Conquistadors were Criollos with the THLAXCALAS they explored from northern Mexico to Florida. Certainly that’s were many Creole’s got Spanish/Indigenous/Mestizo ancestry. I always assume they were just French but that can’t be right. Mexican history in the US has been invisible.
Criar means to breed and Carillo means the ones who were bred or the breeded ones this is why many in the Caribbean will never call ourselves Creole because we know the origin of the word and its derogatory
@@azborderlands However, in Spanish of Spain, "criollo" has a double meaning like in Franch. You can see on the Dictionary of the Real Academia that's on line.
I used to feel the same way during my 2 yrs following the channel, then I really looked as a social Scientist, as her behaviour patterns demonstrated the systematic subconscious distancing from Black via identity conversion factors i.e. nationality and religious affiliations. The romanticised rationale for passing when the material is very clear via ppl like Dr. Joy degruy, these were maladaptive reactions to VVhite supremacy racism, passing has no benefits except survival or infiltration of a defense/offense (hence chameleon and spies e.g. I eat or be eaten. Blacks that owned slaves are almost always misrepresented as capitalist of fortune rather ,than of legal loopholes to quickly assure collective group freedom and security.
I used to feel the same way during my 2 yrs following the channel, then I really looked as a social Scientist, as her behaviour patterns demonstrated the systematic subconscious distancing from Black via identity conversion factors i.e. nationality and religious affiliations. The romanticised rationale for passing when the material is very clear via ppl like Dr. Joy degruy, these were maladaptive reactions to VVhite supremacy racism, passing has no benefits except survival or infiltration of a defense/offense (hence chameleon and spies e.g. I eat or be eaten. Blacks that owned slaves are almost always misrepresented as capitalist of fortune rather ,than of legal loopholes to quickly assure collective group freedom and security.
Wow!!! I have to go back and re-watch the documentary. ❤ Can’t fathom that it is been 2 years since I first watched it and got wrapped up in this journey. I had totally forgotten about Odan’s story. Definitely incentive for keeping anything that could be considered non-white out of one’s heritage story. 💡
I love my Louisiana creole heritage my maternal grandfather is African American of (African, French Acadian, Spanish Islenos and possibly distant Filipino ancestry)from New Orleans his family originated In assumption and ascension parish Louisiana
I’m so grateful I found your channel. The story of your family is such a deeply personal thing to share. So many layers to discover and it’s a very relevant and needed discussion that fits a wider narrative easily. Thank you for your content.
Don’t forget, now that you’ve been researching Louisiana, there is a very strong Native American presence in Louisiana. Then and now. The difference is at what volume. Here and now, in South Louisiana, nowadays, we just assume that there is a strong possibility that there is some racial mixing in many cases-much of it not documented, some of it clearly stated.
There were many mixed blood children in the late 1800s and early 1900s, white men would crossed the tracks on the weekends to find black women. In louisiana, many communities blacks and whites was seperated by railroad tracks. We have a word called,”crossing the track”. P.S. at night so they wouldn’t be seen.
@@nytn there were also a “bottom”, it a black community, like a redlight district, in which white men could be with black women at a time when it was forbidden, a lot of these, ”passing” children came out of these relationship.
I saw the same video tou are referring to yesterday. The fact that she would give out different names for herself surprised me. Something like it is n my family and I found records in bith names.
Thank you! It's always very inspiring to watch your videos. One part of my family said they were "Greek" to explain their dark completion. I've since realized they were not greek. This is just the sort of thing people had to do to survive in the South. If you could pass for anything other than black then that's what they did. It wasn't because they disliked their ancestors, it was to better provide for their own family and keep them safe.
My great-grandfather lived in Bastrop. His death certificate listed him as the "c" word which can't be spoken. A 3rd cousin told me the family was scandalized by it. They thought it was a mistake. But some of us have done our DNA and it seems the doctor was going by the one-drop rule and knew something his children and grandchildren didn't know. My mother knew him as a child and she said he was as white as she is and she's about as white as you can get. On the other side of my mother's family, also from Northern Louisiana, her great-grandmother was also listed as "c" on her death certificate. Nobody else in the family was listed as such. I guess some doctors would go along with the passing and others wouldn't. But it did come from both sides of my mother's family. I can tell by the DNA matches. I had a friend whose family was originally from Shreveport. She was a nurse. Some researchers at her hospital were always asking her to give them some blood to use in their research. She finally asked why. They told her she didn't want to know, but she insisted. They told her she carried the gene for Sickle Cell Anemia. To her, it was no big deal. But, she said her elderly aunts had been all into genealogy and then suddenly dropped it. She finally knew why! The older generation knew what segregation and Jim Crow laws were and they were scared to be labeled non-white. Thank God we live in a different world.
My 5th Great-Grandmother was Marcelline Desadier. I wonder how/if she was related to Ozan? I see the caption spelled Desidere, but given what I've seen with other of my Louisiana surnames varied spellings I think they could be related.
Danielle, I like watching you because it reminds me a little bit of how my daughter is racially ambiguous. I have my ancestry and DNA but we don’t have her dad’s family story.
This reminds me of Anne Rice's "The Feast of All Saints". I'm skeptical about doing my genealogy, but I owe it to my ancestors. I'm thankful that I'm considered to be Black, first and foremost. That would have eaten away at my mind, if I was put into that position of masquerading as someone I'm not. My father was from Little Rock, Arkansas, grandmother, Mobile, Alabama, grandfather, Jackson, Miss. Deep, deep south. I'm assuming that most of you all have French ancestry, in regards to Europe. My fathers last name was Cooper and my mothers father's name was Triplett, so I guess I have some European relatives in Britain (Anglo Saxon) too. As for Africa, that is why I need to do this research soon, because I don't know what part of West Africa, my lineage is connected to.
My great grandfather was full-blooded Choctaw according to Dawes Roll born in Mississippi and lived in Louisiana. My grandfather was half white, his father was white, but his mother was black and her father was full-blooded Choctaw. I was born in New Orleans to black parents, both my mother's parents were half mixed. Grandmother's father was Irish.
I've noticed that even in my own family that the common mix of so called AA's here in the states are a mix of Irish,Indian and black BUT the kicker is that in my family,the black part is the Indian part because in our family photos we have the names and pics of brown chocolate complexed(Indians)who were Cherokee and Choctaw,not Africans in the pictures.Its very weird.
Of course the segregation wasn`t only in the South. My Italian mother`s eldest sister would say that when she was growing-up in Reading , Pennsylvania , Black people would have to sit in the balcony in the movie theaters on Penn Street ( the city`s main street ). She said the Whites ( who were mostly Germans , Polish , and Italians ) would call the balcony " N-word Heaven " !! My mother and father were liberals , BUT my aunt that I mentioned , would say the theaters should have KEPT
You might want to watch How the One Drop Rule Shaped Blackness. by One Mic History. This is a short but informative video, some talk about how Creoles, developed their own caste system based on the amount of white they had..
I don't think for one minute that Lola was afraid of people knowing she was Creole. She kept in contact with her family after all. I think she was just being practical because of prejudice.
I am actually considering enrollment in a tribe from Virginia, from my Mom's side that we were always aware of our heritage in, but the more I'm researching, and finding ancestors in many tribes, I now feel like is it choosing one part over the others. (My Dad's the Louisiana and Mexico Indigenous ancestry) And of course being African and European as well, is it rejecting those parts of me? Is it like passing?
It was interesting to hear the story about the woman screaming "We're Black!" :) it's not the "one drop rule," but it's similar. The difference today is the number of people who find out and are happy to know it. You asked once about "passing for Black." Imo, most Black families have or know of Black relatives who look as light or lighter than your grandma. My ex-wife is an example. But, she only wanted to get out in the sun to get tanned. I don't think it's good for her skin, but she hated when people mistook her for White or Hispanic.
Could you make a video explaining why it is strange that Arabs are white in the US regardless of color and Brazilians or Latin Americans who are 100 percent European are not?
This might help you not get flagged: Ask everyone to leave a comment of at least 7 words. It will also help if you ask everyone to let the post play to the end. Both of these show engagement. I hope this helps. Your stories resonate with me. My paternal ancestors were "Italian," but only from Grandpa, but the whole of Grandma's heritage was swept up in there too. But it is not. There is definitely Indigenous, but I suspect also "French" like you.
People who were from Louisiana long ago WERE French. They lived in a French territory. They called themselves French. So, it wasn't a lie. People still call themselves French over there.
If many people knew a lot of the south's history and to be black in the south was to face serious racial barriers until intergration, I can understand that if your great grandmother could pass as white she would take that opportunity. It was a terrible place to be where interracial marriage was illegal, the one drop rule was absolutely discrinminatory which is why it was challenged by law in 1967 on Loving v. Virginia. Just imagine how she was taught to hide that and not be proud of that is really deeply sad.
Of course the segregation wasn`t only in the South. My Italian mother`s eldest sister would say when she was growing-up in Reading , Pennsylvania Black people would have to sit in the balcony in the movie theaters on Penn Street ( the city`s main steet ) She said the Whites ( who were mostly Germans , Polish , and Italians ) would call the balcony " N-word Heaven " !! My mother and father were liberals , BUT the aunt that spoke of would say that the theaters should have KEPT the pre-integration balcony rule !!
As member of Navajo Nation history of my clan kin ya a hii, the Tower clan. Our ancestors came from the great Tower called the Haa Gii naa, Existing out from the great Tower of the Equth. Also the exit from the Tower of Baal, came across the great wide water. The group landed in the shoreline mountain of Peru. They built and abandoned the area again . Travel to the north american. We are from the house of Jews, house of Israel!!
15:04 This is a common misunderstanding. The Irish were never regarded as “not white.” But in 19th century America, the idea took hold that the Irish were a decidedly inferior type of white: dirty, poor, ignorant, Catholic, likely carriers of all manner of disease. The editorial cartoonist Thomas Nast compared them to black people. Note that Nast and his bigoted ilk didn’t say that the Irish were black, but rather that they were LIKE black people. But that was close enough for an American academic 25 years to published "How The Irish Became White" in which he argued that that the Irish, having once been oppressed, embraced their “whiteness” and joined the oppressors. His work found a receptive audience in the hysterically race-obsessed American academy: As George Orwell once wrote, “Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.” This theory went on to become part of the stew of “intersectionality” and “critical race theory” that is now the standard undergraduate diet and, apparently based on the book’s title, spawned the notion that the Irish were once considered not white. They also labelled any so called "white" person with just a mild tan as "colored" even if they were pale days before. Context is key here when knowing the difference between xenophobia vs racism.
I agree. I definitely see the resemblance. Lola was a beauty. It's funny how the gene lottery works. Seemingly dormant genes can pop out multiple generations down the line. My granddaughter looks very much like my husband's grandmother--her 2nd great-grandmother. My father looked like neither of his parents, but he looked almost like a twin of his 2nd great-grandfather.
Have you done any research on the Black Irish who were sent by Cromwell to the United States and enslaved? Please get in touch with the historian, Dr. Clyde Winters who has a RUclips channel on Thursdays at 4pm EST. Dr. Winters and Dr. Marie Charles have done extensive research on this topic.
Just keep in mind language doesn’t determine your actual heritage. For example many from Europe colonized Australia, Hawaii, the Americans and South Africa. They brought their own languages but trace back to their European countries yet call themselves South African, American, Brazilian etc but have no dna connection to the indigenous of the land. The indigenous of the land were actually taught their languages and the colonizers made up their own dialect of the colonizers language aka any form of Creole.
I remember listening to Jefferson’s family members who were related to him via Sally Hemming’s… and the ones who “thought” they were fully white being confused as to why they got so dark when they got tanned. The Hemming’s folks who passed. Rude awakening. Your family sounds the same even though underneath it all you folks knew you were of African descent and not fully French. Your grandmother looks like a light skinned black woman. Her African DNA is so strong her hair texture KINKY has passed down to you and your father is Italian. Straight haired. But it seems you folks were desperately clinging to the French and Native ancestry and denying the African. I get it.. black people’s are extremely persecuted. But to deny and fully embrace the oppressor is confusing to me. Anyway.. your family history is intriguing.. interesting.. but sad at the same time. Please watch “Finding your Roots”.. Dr. Henry Louis Gates plainly states very few people of African heritage have Native American roots. Their heritage is black and white. For most African Americans it’s 70% or more African.. the rest European
Wow! Greatest comment I've ever read on here! See...I used to feel the same way during my 2 yrs following the channel, then I really looked as a social Scientist, as her behaviour patterns demonstrated the systematic subconscious distancing from Black via identity conversion factors i.e. nationality and religious affiliations. The romanticised rationale for passing when the material is very clear via ppl like Dr. Joy degruy, these were maladaptive reactions to VVhite supremacy racism, passing has no benefits except survival or infiltration of a defense/offense (hence chameleon and spies e.g. I eat or be eaten. Blacks that owned slaves are almost always misrepresented as capitalist of fortune rather ,than of legal loopholes to quickly assure collective group freedom and security. " if you do not understand white supremacy (racism) what it is and how it works, everything else you understand will only confuse you " - Neely Fuller jr
I don't get the impression that she wants to be anything in particular. She is what she is and can't change it! She's just trying to learn what all that is.
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Your Grandma is very Beautiful!
It is so educational how you are reviewing the Lola documentary with new information and augmented perspective. In my own genealogical investigation, I find myself revisiting documents I discovered early in my search, scraping them for information I didn't realize was useful at the time. I'm paying attention to neighbors on the census, addresses in city directories, other graves in the vicinity of my ancestors' graves. Thank you for allowing me to travel and learn about family & American history beside you.
The story of your family and the range of emotions you show is fascinating. Unlocking the secrets has been visibly good for you.
It has expanded my view of the world for the best, and my empathy for sure
Thanks for all this sis. This sort of stuff happened all over North America. This is one of the reasons I have such issues with some ... not all, some... Native people who have been repeating this thing that "you have to be recognized in a community" to be considered Indigenous. Kids need to know who they are and where their blood comes from. A lot of people had ancestors who literally covered up their ancestry to avoid death. Creating giant walls to their descendants isn't cultural, not from anything I've ever been taught. As a Maori friend once said to me, as soon as we staart going along with judgmentalism before hearing people's story, we are shaking hands with the erasure of our own people.
The Whites who have taken it on themselves to designated who and what race people are in the world are the biggest identity thieves going...you have in the US your 5 Dollar Indians and whites from Eastern Europe who say they're the Jews from the Bible? But real Jews are Black people
In France, “créole” was originally an adjective:
1) “blanc créole” was a white Frenchman born in the overseas colonies.
2) “noir créole” was a black person born outside of Africa.
The term was pejorative: it was believed that whites, in the colonies, softened, even without mixing.
The origin of the word came from portuguese "crioulo", via spanish "criollo".
The meaning of "crioulo" in the 16th century was "black servant in the master's house". "Criar" is a verb and it means "to breed".
Criollo in Mexico meant 100% Spanish born in Mexico. Seems like it got lost in translation when the French arrived and the meaning mutated. Many Conquistadors were Criollos with the THLAXCALAS they explored from northern Mexico to Florida. Certainly that’s were many Creole’s got Spanish/Indigenous/Mestizo ancestry. I always assume they were just French but that can’t be right. Mexican history in the US has been invisible.
Criar means to breed and Carillo means the ones who were bred or the breeded ones this is why many in the Caribbean will never call ourselves Creole because we know the origin of the word and its derogatory
@@azborderlands However, in Spanish of Spain, "criollo" has a double meaning like in Franch. You can see on the Dictionary of the Real Academia that's on line.
It amazes me how ppl can avoid the word "black." Salute to the channel and her ancestors. ✊
I used to feel the same way during my 2 yrs following the channel, then I really looked as a social Scientist, as her behaviour patterns demonstrated the systematic subconscious distancing from Black via identity conversion factors i.e. nationality and religious affiliations.
The romanticised rationale for passing when the material is very clear via ppl like Dr. Joy degruy, these were maladaptive reactions to VVhite supremacy racism, passing has no benefits except survival or infiltration of a defense/offense (hence chameleon and spies e.g. I eat or be eaten. Blacks that owned slaves are almost always misrepresented as capitalist of fortune rather ,than of legal loopholes to quickly assure collective group freedom and security.
I used to feel the same way during my 2 yrs following the channel, then I really looked as a social Scientist, as her behaviour patterns demonstrated the systematic subconscious distancing from Black via identity conversion factors i.e. nationality and religious affiliations.
The romanticised rationale for passing when the material is very clear via ppl like Dr. Joy degruy, these were maladaptive reactions to VVhite supremacy racism, passing has no benefits except survival or infiltration of a defense/offense (hence chameleon and spies e.g. I eat or be eaten. Blacks that owned slaves are almost always misrepresented as capitalist of fortune rather ,than of legal loopholes to quickly assure collective group freedom and security.
I've watched already and I find it so fascinating! I look forward to all updates ❤😊
Awesome! Thank you!
Wow!!! I have to go back and re-watch the documentary. ❤ Can’t fathom that it is been 2 years since I first watched it and got wrapped up in this journey. I had totally forgotten about Odan’s story. Definitely incentive for keeping anything that could be considered non-white out of one’s heritage story. 💡
It's so good to have had you here since the beginning
❤😘
I love my Louisiana creole heritage my maternal grandfather is African American of (African, French Acadian, Spanish Islenos and possibly distant Filipino ancestry)from New Orleans his family originated In assumption and ascension parish Louisiana
I’m so grateful I found your channel. The story of your family is such a deeply personal thing to share. So many layers to discover and it’s a very relevant and needed discussion that fits a wider narrative easily. Thank you for your content.
Fascinating as usual.
Hope you are well!
@@nytn I am. And I, you.
@15:22ish Yes, she is sooo beautiful and you look absolutely just like her! 😊
I'm rewatching this with you. It is still breaking my heart.
I appreciate you here
I've started watching your channel, fascinating history!
Don’t forget, now that you’ve been researching Louisiana, there is a very strong Native American presence in Louisiana. Then and now. The difference is at what volume.
Here and now, in South Louisiana, nowadays, we just assume that there is a strong possibility that there is some racial mixing in many cases-much of it not documented, some of it clearly stated.
You’re right, being from South East Louisiana that’s a part of my Family tree; My 5th Great Grandfather was Native American and French.
Both my great grandfather's are native, one Choctaw and one Cherokee.
One of my new favorite channels! Great info Plus she’s saved!!!
I’m so glad to have you here!
I also have relatives who migrated to New York and are identified as white now although they were black or mulatto in Louisiana.
There were many mixed blood children in the late 1800s and early 1900s, white men would crossed the tracks on the weekends to find black women. In louisiana, many communities blacks and whites was seperated by railroad tracks. We have a word called,”crossing the track”. P.S. at night so they wouldn’t be seen.
I had never heard that before!😩
@@nytn there were also a “bottom”, it a black community, like a redlight district, in which white men could be with black women at a time when it was forbidden, a lot of these, ”passing” children came out of these relationship.
It wasn't always grape neither.Lots of blkwmn were called 🛌wenches because of this
I saw the same video tou are referring to yesterday. The fact that she would give out different names for herself surprised me. Something like it is n my family and I found records in bith names.
Thank you! It's always very inspiring to watch your videos. One part of my family said they were "Greek" to explain their dark completion. I've since realized they were not greek. This is just the sort of thing people had to do to survive in the South. If you could pass for anything other than black then that's what they did. It wasn't because they disliked their ancestors, it was to better provide for their own family and keep them safe.
So important and great research and personal connections thru family members
I am learning a lot from your channel. I have watched Lola's story.
My great-grandfather lived in Bastrop. His death certificate listed him as the "c" word which can't be spoken. A 3rd cousin told me the family was scandalized by it. They thought it was a mistake. But some of us have done our DNA and it seems the doctor was going by the one-drop rule and knew something his children and grandchildren didn't know. My mother knew him as a child and she said he was as white as she is and she's about as white as you can get.
On the other side of my mother's family, also from Northern Louisiana, her great-grandmother was also listed as "c" on her death certificate. Nobody else in the family was listed as such. I guess some doctors would go along with the passing and others wouldn't. But it did come from both sides of my mother's family. I can tell by the DNA matches.
I had a friend whose family was originally from Shreveport. She was a nurse. Some researchers at her hospital were always asking her to give them some blood to use in their research. She finally asked why. They told her she didn't want to know, but she insisted. They told her she carried the gene for Sickle Cell Anemia. To her, it was no big deal. But, she said her elderly aunts had been all into genealogy and then suddenly dropped it. She finally knew why! The older generation knew what segregation and Jim Crow laws were and they were scared to be labeled non-white. Thank God we live in a different world.
My 5th Great-Grandmother was Marcelline Desadier. I wonder how/if she was related to Ozan? I see the caption spelled Desidere, but given what I've seen with other of my Louisiana surnames varied spellings I think they could be related.
Just variations of the spelling. I’m a Desadier as well.
Danielle, I like watching you because it reminds me a little bit of how my daughter is racially ambiguous. I have my ancestry and DNA but we don’t have her dad’s family story.
I love that. :)
Thanks again for sharing your testimonies Sista!🙏💖💯📠🐢
Thank you for being here!
I watched this before, I enjoy your videos because of rich content! your research is relatable to me by being from Southeast Louisiana mixed Ancestry.
KEPT the balcony rule !!
I enjoyed this format
This reminds me of Anne Rice's "The Feast of All Saints". I'm skeptical about doing my genealogy, but I owe it to my ancestors. I'm thankful that I'm considered to be Black, first and foremost. That would have eaten away at my mind, if I was put into that position of masquerading as someone I'm not. My father was from Little Rock, Arkansas, grandmother, Mobile, Alabama, grandfather, Jackson, Miss. Deep, deep south. I'm assuming that most of you all have French ancestry, in regards to Europe. My fathers last name was Cooper and my mothers father's name was Triplett, so I guess I have some European relatives in Britain (Anglo Saxon) too. As for Africa, that is why I need to do this research soon, because I don't know what part of West Africa, my lineage is connected to.
Yes I can't find that fking movie no where they are hiding it for some reason
My great grandfather was full-blooded Choctaw according to Dawes Roll born in Mississippi and lived in Louisiana. My grandfather was half white, his father was white, but his mother was black and her father was full-blooded Choctaw. I was born in New Orleans to black parents, both my mother's parents were half mixed. Grandmother's father was Irish.
I've noticed that even in my own family that the common mix of so called AA's here in the states are a mix of Irish,Indian and black BUT the kicker is that in my family,the black part is the Indian part because in our family photos we have the names and pics of brown chocolate complexed(Indians)who were Cherokee and Choctaw,not Africans in the pictures.Its very weird.
@@JamesBrooks-hj3dz I wonder if it has been verified or just family saying it? A lot of people find out that what they've been told is not accurate.
How sad. Even after decades and being old enough not to care, she still cared.
yes, I felt that, too!
It’s absurd that you’re being flagged for reading what’s on legal documents. I love your channel & content ❤
It's frustrating, but I'm glad you are here!
i love these stories
Of course the segregation wasn`t only in the South. My Italian mother`s eldest sister would say that when she was growing-up in Reading , Pennsylvania , Black people would have to sit in the balcony in the movie theaters on Penn Street ( the city`s main street ). She said the Whites ( who were mostly Germans , Polish , and Italians ) would call the balcony " N-word Heaven " !! My mother and father were liberals , BUT my aunt that I mentioned , would say the theaters should have KEPT
You might want to watch How the One Drop Rule Shaped Blackness. by One Mic History. This is a short but informative video, some talk about how Creoles, developed their own caste system based on the amount of white they had..
I don't think for one minute that Lola was afraid of people knowing she was Creole. She kept in contact with her family after all. I think she was just being practical because of prejudice.
In some areas, there were laws against blacks and whites being married. That may be why you GGF was listed as colored.
I am actually considering enrollment in a tribe from Virginia, from my Mom's side that we were always aware of our heritage in, but the more I'm researching, and finding ancestors in many tribes, I now feel like is it choosing one part over the others. (My Dad's the Louisiana and Mexico Indigenous ancestry) And of course being African and European as well, is it rejecting those parts of me? Is it like passing?
Movie adaptation simply called - PASSING
It was interesting to hear the story about the woman screaming "We're Black!" :) it's not the "one drop rule," but it's similar. The difference today is the number of people who find out and are happy to know it. You asked once about "passing for Black." Imo, most Black families have or know of Black relatives who look as light or lighter than your grandma. My ex-wife is an example. But, she only wanted to get out in the sun to get tanned. I don't think it's good for her skin, but she hated when people mistook her for White or Hispanic.
Could you make a video explaining why it is strange that Arabs are white in the US regardless of color and Brazilians or Latin Americans who are 100 percent European are not?
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This might help you not get flagged: Ask everyone to leave a comment of at least 7 words. It will also help if you ask everyone to let the post play to the end. Both of these show engagement. I hope this helps. Your stories resonate with me. My paternal ancestors were "Italian," but only from Grandpa, but the whole of Grandma's heritage was swept up in there too. But it is not. There is definitely Indigenous, but I suspect also "French" like you.
People who were from Louisiana long ago WERE French. They lived in a French territory. They called themselves French. So, it wasn't a lie. People still call themselves French over there.
You Grandma really was French, Danielle. So don't trip on her, lol.
Omg did you use a genealogist? If so who? This story is incredible and breath taking...
Upstate new York was considered very progressive. Elmira has a big history and was called zebratown
If many people knew a lot of the south's history and to be black in the south was to face serious racial barriers until intergration, I can understand that if your great grandmother could pass as white she would take that opportunity. It was a terrible place to be where interracial marriage was illegal, the one drop rule was absolutely discrinminatory which is why it was challenged by law in 1967 on Loving v. Virginia. Just imagine how she was taught to hide that and not be proud of that is really deeply sad.
Of course the segregation wasn`t only in the South. My Italian mother`s eldest sister would say when she was growing-up in Reading , Pennsylvania Black people would have to sit in the balcony in the movie theaters on Penn Street ( the city`s main steet ) She said the Whites ( who were mostly Germans , Polish , and Italians ) would call the balcony " N-word Heaven " !! My mother and father were liberals , BUT the aunt that spoke of would say that the theaters should have KEPT the pre-integration balcony rule !!
Hey Danielle
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@@nytnYou're welcome. A pleasure.
I saw it
Do their birth certificates say the information is provided by the mother?
That's a great question and I will have to do some research on what NY did in the 1930s
As member of Navajo Nation history of my clan kin ya a hii, the Tower clan. Our ancestors came from the great Tower called the Haa Gii naa, Existing out from the great Tower of the Equth. Also the exit from the Tower of Baal, came across the great wide water. The group landed in the shoreline mountain of Peru. They built and abandoned the area again . Travel to the north american. We are from the house of Jews, house of Israel!!
Israelites and so called “yoos” are not the same thing. And the Tower of Babel I’m assuming you meant, was in North America.
Can you ask your uncle if he knows of any Bernard history please.
15:04 This is a common misunderstanding. The Irish were never regarded as “not white.” But in 19th century America, the idea took hold that the Irish were a decidedly inferior type of white: dirty, poor, ignorant, Catholic, likely carriers of all manner of disease. The editorial cartoonist Thomas Nast compared them to black people. Note that Nast and his bigoted ilk didn’t say that the Irish were black, but rather that they were LIKE black people. But that was close enough for an American academic 25 years to published "How The Irish Became White" in which he argued that that the Irish, having once been oppressed, embraced their “whiteness” and joined the oppressors. His work found a receptive audience in the hysterically race-obsessed American academy: As George Orwell once wrote, “Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.” This theory went on to become part of the stew of “intersectionality” and “critical race theory” that is now the standard undergraduate diet and, apparently based on the book’s title, spawned the notion that the Irish were once considered not white. They also labelled any so called "white" person with just a mild tan as "colored" even if they were pale days before. Context is key here when knowing the difference between xenophobia vs racism.
You look so much like her (cover photo).
aww that means so much to me, thank you☺
@nytn you're welcome.
I agree. I definitely see the resemblance. Lola was a beauty. It's funny how the gene lottery works. Seemingly dormant genes can pop out multiple generations down the line. My granddaughter looks very much like my husband's grandmother--her 2nd great-grandmother. My father looked like neither of his parents, but he looked almost like a twin of his 2nd great-grandfather.
@@rroadmap I can relate to this. I'm white, but I don't look like my mother, father or my brother, only my mother's father.
Have you done any research on the Black Irish who were sent by Cromwell to the United States and enslaved? Please get in touch with the historian, Dr. Clyde Winters who has a RUclips channel on Thursdays at 4pm EST. Dr. Winters and Dr. Marie Charles have done extensive research on this topic.
French people can be olive-skinned, just like Spaniards or Italians. You don't assume people are lying to you.
Those so-called French in Louisiana, many of them are mix people from Haiti.
15:20 Im also wondering if it might be because they may have had Miscegenation Laws and if he put White it would've been a violation???
Just keep in mind language doesn’t determine your actual heritage. For example many from Europe colonized Australia, Hawaii, the Americans and South Africa. They brought their own languages but trace back to their European countries yet call themselves South African, American, Brazilian etc but have no dna connection to the indigenous of the land. The indigenous of the land were actually taught their languages and the colonizers made up their own dialect of the colonizers language aka any form of Creole.
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I remember listening to Jefferson’s family members who were related to him via Sally Hemming’s… and the ones who “thought” they were fully white being confused as to why they got so dark when they got tanned. The Hemming’s folks who passed. Rude awakening. Your family sounds the same even though underneath it all you folks knew you were of African descent and not fully French. Your grandmother looks like a light skinned black woman. Her African DNA is so strong her hair texture KINKY has passed down to you and your father is Italian. Straight haired. But it seems you folks were desperately clinging to the French and Native ancestry and denying the African. I get it.. black people’s are extremely persecuted. But to deny and fully embrace the oppressor is confusing to me. Anyway.. your family history is intriguing.. interesting.. but sad at the same time. Please watch “Finding your Roots”.. Dr. Henry Louis Gates plainly states very few people of African heritage have Native American roots. Their heritage is black and white. For most African Americans it’s 70% or more African.. the rest European
Wow! Greatest comment I've ever read on here!
See...I used to feel the same way during my 2 yrs following the channel, then I really looked as a social Scientist, as her behaviour patterns demonstrated the systematic subconscious distancing from Black via identity conversion factors i.e. nationality and religious affiliations.
The romanticised rationale for passing when the material is very clear via ppl like Dr. Joy degruy, these were maladaptive reactions to VVhite supremacy racism, passing has no benefits except survival or infiltration of a defense/offense (hence chameleon and spies e.g. I eat or be eaten. Blacks that owned slaves are almost always misrepresented as capitalist of fortune rather ,than of legal loopholes to quickly assure collective group freedom and security.
" if you do not understand white supremacy (racism) what it is and how it works, everything else you understand will only confuse you " - Neely Fuller jr
No disrespect but my guess is she married far away from her blood line
Me or Grammy?
@nytn grammy
Good morning neighbor lady. It is hard to unravel the "Family History ".Most of the stories are made up!!😢😢😢😢
I am still learning about my family’s story and I’m sure there is more to be discovered. Hope you have a great thanksgiving holiday!
You want to be non-White so bad 😂
I identify as a New Yorker.
I don't get the impression that she wants to be anything in particular. She is what she is and can't change it! She's just trying to learn what all that is.
I have the story but instead it’s my grandfather my mother’s Dad 🧓🏾,I think we have a connection with jane driggers or gibson