Not sure if you understand the word “Wog”, it is the British slang equivalent to the word N*66€R. Calling Italians “Wog” is just another allusion to 1 drop doctrine.
And yet people still want to walk in the lunch room making faces and complaining/commenting on the garlicey smell of the food....and laughing like its a joke when replied to with the nutritional benefits.
@@scaringclaring5240because the manly thing to do is to let people tell me how to eat. Extra garlic in my food this week. Plenty of garlic in the bread I baked yesterday too....aah, the aroma when warming that up makes me salivate
Okay, but that is not you, that's your grandparents stories and lives, so you are probably going off second hand information, and also exaggerated. Memories are not that accurate.
@@Bruvvvv9 And because a lot of Southern Italians are racially mixed with Middle Eastern and North African blood which is notable in their DNA and often visible in their appearances.
I was born in Malta, I don't give a flying XXXX about being White, or the opinions of a bunch of XXXXwits. Being ethnic or a Wog, as I am, isn't an insult to me. Anglo Australians are an ethnic group, and their origins are in Europe, if you consider Britain and Ireland Europe, then they are Wogs also.
In about 1996 I read in a news magazine an article which quoted someone as saying that Italians were the first non-Whites accepted into Australian society. That has made me smile ever since. My parents were born in Calabria. Until I was in my 30s I thought I was white, then I realized that my skin is sallow or reddish.
Sallow is rather old fashion and refers to a sickly complexion. I don't use the term White because it's silly. I use European. You are probably yellowish with a pink tinge, you have blood in your face and it shows through.
i watched the 2016 documentary "I Am Not Your Negro" late last night on tv, and thought of you and this community that you have created, again and again. i RECOMMEND this movie. i keep recommending THIS channel to acquaintances (that i THOUGHT were friends) and get 'pawned off' with statements like, "i don't care about that race stuff", "history is OVER", "that is just politics NOT genealogy"... THIS community understands that even when we disagree, i is WORTH the conversation.
It is a bit propagandist. I can tell you in Alice Springs, Aboriginal women did not want their half European children, and gate them to the Missionaries to raise. Half Aborigines had no status in their society, they had no totem or skin which came from the father.
Loved this conversation. Now, this is a little factoid that isn’t as important as your video. I remember an article about the caffe culture in Australia that was started by Italian immigrants. Now, this was some time ago, but coffee houses were so ingrained in the Australia country that the Starbucks coffee chain wasn’t as successful as the company assumed it was going to be.
And none of that would've happened without Angelo Moriondo, who invented the Espresso machine. It's also possible he had Celtic, Germanic or Slavic ancestors since he was Northern Italian. Not Southern Italian, who were called wogs.
My Sicilian grandparents arrived in the US in 1906. I heard stories from my father (and my mother) about the terrible things people would call him. People were shocked that my white mother married him. He was a child in the Great Depression, was part of the Normandy Invasion in WWII, and worked harder than anyone I've ever known to prove himself. And he accepted a lot of employment abuse. Sadly, he distanced himself from his parents and roots and became ultra patriotic and a bit bigoted himself to try and fit in. He had no interest in exploring his roots. And so nothing was passed down to me but some recipes. But I did begin exploring my roots and the beautiful language and culture of Italy in my 30s and one day I'll visit my grandparents' villages in Italy. Your channel has helped me to understand why I was cut off from my heritage and my family's odd behavior. I am proudly half Sicilian.
I am not American, but I have to say that there is nothing wrong with loving the country you live in, or adopting its customs as your own. Look, what value would speaking Sicilian be anywhere other than Sicily, and Sicilian culture didn't come from Mt Sinai.
NYTN, you are inspirational to the Ancestors -Decentdents community, and I enjoy hearing your research discoveries results on our Ancestors anthropology. Thank you
I never understood how Italians are second class citizens in the USA who are reduced to the roles of gangsters while in Europe they are admired for all their contributions and great empire.
Danielle, thanks to this video I just learned about the racism in Australia that I was never aware of. What’s even more amazing about Australia is that the British (who else!) basically took over yet another continent and pushed aside the native people living there. But didn’t they use Australia as a penal colony, to ship convicts away from their precious Great Britain? So now these former convicts needed to feel superior to the Italian immigrants who came seeking work, prosperity, etc. You have highlighted some of these issues that happened in the USA over the past 150 years or so. So, different place, but same issue. It’s so sad that as time passes, the “origins” of the marginalized people change, but the hate and discrimination remain the same. And this last comment of mine may draw some hate, but if anyone who watches your videos and then just steps back and honestly assesses the information, the common element in so much of this is the white superiority complex of northern Europeans, no matter where they have migrated. Please, please, see this for what it is, and don’t try to make excuses for it.
@@RbNetEngr it was not the convicts that felt superior it was the British free settlers that were encouraged to take up the free land around 1815. There was a class distinction between the convicts and the free settlers. Convicts often married indigenous women as did the French sealers. Why is it so difficult to do some actual research. Prior to dumping convicts in Australia they were dumping them in America but that came to a halt after the War of Independence and so that’s how they started dumping them in Australia. For some reason the descendants of British convicts in America don’t have the resources to find out how their ancestors came to be there. There’s a subject that needs exploration for sure.
@@RbNetEngr my family have been multicultural since 1788, I have 15 ethnicities. My family of origin had no problem marrying into other cultures, I have a half Italian half Chinese aunty Oscar Piastri the formula 1 driver is a descendant from my aunts family of origin and I had an Albanian Muslim uncle and two of my uncle’s married aboriginal women. That’s just my mother’s side. I have 11 convicts on my father’s side, French, Irish, African and British I also have an indigenous ancestor. Are you people all living in a bubble? Australia is full of people like me. Learn your family history and get your DNA done. Absolutely what happened to the aboriginal peoples after the free settlers came in around 1815 was abhorrent but the first governor 1788 Phillip did at least try to make an effort to understand and learn from them. Kidnapping was probably not the right way to go about it. As a result he was speared as a warning and told his men not to shoot. He survived the spearing and then with that out of the way he and the spearer became friends and the indigenous community helped the first penal settlement immensely. They would not have survived without the help from the indigenous tribes. It is a very complex issue that really needs to be researched and I can’t put it all here but please do your research to get the real story.
Quite interesting. I used to know a British man who called people, “wogs”. Even today in the USA I know people who refer to Italians as, “second cousins to the ‘ens’.” I even knew a man from northern Italy who thought the southern Italians were a lesser class of people.
When I visited Australia 20 years ago I had my luggage ransacked and torn apart by customs.The customs official called a guard and demanded I be strip searchedI said why .She said I was not American .My name was NOT American .worked for an Italian American educational association I was born in NYC with an American passport I called her a racist .They let me pass .Next day I was on Australian news as a white supporter at an aboriginal demonstration.I did some research and there were some pogroms and at one the orator claimed Italians should be killed for killing Christ.Italians were clearly lumped with Greeks and Lebanese as wogs.
My grandparents came to Australia from Calabria, my grandfather in the 1920s and my grandmother in the 1940s. My grandfather worked on the sugar cane fields in Queensland for years alongside other Italians, as well as the Snowy Hydro Scheme which was another nation building project. Sadly, he was interred for a period during the war years for being an Italian. I actually visited the POW camp area he was interred in, a town called Hay in New South Wales which was confronting but an important experience for me. Italians faced a lot of hardship and discrimination, but very interestingly have become arguably the most successful case of assimilation in Australia. There are over 1 million people in Australia with Italian heritage today and Italian-Australian identity does look different for different families and areas. I actually think this history is really important for Italians in Italy today to know, and at the same time, I think it's important for Italian Americans and Italian Australians etc. to understand the history of our ancestors yet also to learn about the Italy of today, years after our ancestors left. I am actually living in Italy now and it's fascinating to see the layers of these histories from an ancient, ancestral and modern perspective. It's also kinda funny to tell them what a wog is as they don't know but everyone in Australia knows!
Wasn't there a Kingswood country episode where the resident bigot said he like Italy but it was a pity it was full of Wogs. Lex Marinos played the Wog son-in-law, he died recently. Maybe the foreigners of RUclips should try to see some episodes of Kingswood Country to see how the old, bigoted Archie Bunker type Australian male behaved in the old days.
This reminds me of the Mexican migrants coming to the US for seasonal farmwork (NOT to be confised with our current migrant situation). Also, as a 50 year old "greasy Italian" I'd like to thank that "grease" for helping keep my skin more youthful. The "black don't crack" thing Sicilian style! ✌️❤️🙏
My mother-in-law is Italian, and her family migrated from Southern Italy before she was born. She recently passed away, and I was talking to my son about how one of the fond memories I have is we taught her how to play The game of Risk on the tablet. She's Always loved that board game and after watching this video, I find it ironic that she kept attacking Australia.😂
Great video my grandparents where from Calabria came to Brooklyn ny in the 30s when there was mostly irish and German immigrants who tend to me light skin compared to italians there was alot of prejudice against our people thanks you showing our history
I have a close friend in Melbourne Australia who told me Greeks and Italians were referred to as the slur that starts with "w" and rhymes with dog. And my friend is Greek-Australian. They told me that at one time white Aussies used to drive around in the evenings looking for Greeks and Italians to "bash", which they did successfully fairly often. I forgot to ask which decade this took place in, I think 1960s or 70s, but maybe later. At one point, this short Greek man with a moustache drove around with a big car at night with a big chain in his trunk. I swear to God, my friend told me this is absolutely true and their whole family talked about it. But this guy would find Greeks and Italians getting bashed, and would park, pull the chain out of his trunk, and beat the feces out of the bashers, then leave. This happened enough times that everyone knew about it, but he apparently never identified himself, would just beat up the bashers and leave. My friend was telling me that they would have family discussions about the immigrant community at that time, and would say who they thought the guy was, that it could have been this guy from such and such a family, or that guy from a different family. I guess the regular bashing era had thankfully passed, and I took it it was assumed the man would be old or passed away by that point. He kind of sounds like Daredevil! Ha Ha! But that's how bad it was for those guys in Aus. I haven't heard from my friend for awhile, so haven't asked how things are now, but I've read that Aussie culture, though much more multiethnic, does still have an undercurrent of prejudice.
@@rocketreindeer I think everyone who came to Australia after the indigenous people were discriminated against by other people. Especially the convicts. Governor Phillip tried very much to maintain good relations with the indigenous peoples but he went around it by kidnapping them and trying to make them like the English. Governor Phillip ended up being speared as revenge but he chose not to retaliate. The governors that came after him were brutal however. My family must have been extremely unusual in the 1940’s as migrants were welcomed into our family as husbands and wives to my mothers brothers and sisters. Nobody blinked an eye.
@@rocketreindeer it probably depends on where you live in the country. My son in law actually got a free education to become a lawyer because of his indigenous heritage.
I am glad your friend is not mine. Greek Australians usually have a bad reputation, and from my experience it's well earned. I have never seen any ethnic group singled out as you claim. Male Homosexuals, yes, at times. I am Austraian of Southern European origins and lived in suburbs mostly peopled by immigrants, went to schools full of immigrant children and I have never been singled out to be bashed because of my looks. I think your story is an exaggeration.
@@veronicalevin2325 Well, in parts of Australia, that pro Indigenous thing gets a lot of anger because it is discrimination based on race, it's positive, but still discrimination. There is a strong undercurrent of anger in the Northern Territory where I live. You know a lot of Indigenous people are not 100% Indigenous.
If you only knew how many prejudices exist in Italy about Australians of English descent (who think they are white and better). It is well known here that many are descendants of convicts and deportees of the 18th and 19th centuries.
Thanks for this great video. My maternal grandfather came to Australia alone in 1956 at the age of 17, prior to this he had barely left the village of Ceraso (SA) where he was born, and where has family had resided for centuries. He was one of thirteen children, three of which followed him out in subsequent years. The family was very poor. He never spoke about being discriminated against in Australia because of his ethnicity or nationality, but he was very lighthearted and good natured, so I don't think that he would've recounted it even if he was, although his daughter, my mother, was treated poorly for being Italian by the teacher at the Catholic school she attended in the early 1970s, which ceased after the teacher was confronted by my grandmother. My grandfather was an extremely hard worker and was very well regarded by all who knew him. He said that he had some trouble fitting in with other Italians that he came across initially, as in his words, they "didn't speak his language", as he mainly spoke Cilentano, his regional dialect. He married my grandmother, who was a Polish refugee, in 1963 and became a citizen in 1968. Despite having started with nothing he became reasonably well off through hard work but was very modest, he owned a number of properties and ran a concreting business, retiring at the age of 80. He was very generous and would often give money to people that were struggling. He would even pay for other immigrants to bring their families over. I used to love hearing stories of his early life, and childhood back in Italy and am very proud of his legacy.
It depends how sensitive you are. I believe Bill Russell, the African American sportsman, found offense at the slightest, innocent thing as being racist. Some immigrants are hypersensitive because they are foreigners in a strange to them, country. When I was young people would say the stupidest things to me just to get me upset, some people are like that, nasty. When you move away from that environment you become like the native population, they can't tell you are ethnically different. At least that is my experience.
My mom's family is from Northern Italy. Her dad settled in Chicago, in the US. Some of his siblings went to Australia. We had a chance to meet his last living sibling, a brother, who had lived in Australia for forty years...and, he didn’t speak English! I mean, we couldn't communicate with him because we didn't speak Italian. At the time I assumed ( I was 13 or 14) he was practicing some form of nativism or prejudice against Australians: that he never ventured outside his own ethnicity because he felt superior. I had no idea of an anti-Italian campaign in Australia. It seems more likely that he faced so much pressure as a "non-white" that he maybe gave up trying "to assimilate." My understanding was that he had been a laborer ( I think farmer). Though we couldn't communicate with words, it was obvious he was a very sweet man. Wonderful channel, Angela-- always interesting.
Yes, a lot of immigrants in Australia can barely speak English despite living there for half a century. It's because they all stick with their own compatriots, probably as a result of not being accepted by English speaking Australians. You can see it in the neighbourhoods all being based on ethnicity. Every suburb has a dominant ethnicity. It's a patchwork of cultures living in their different worlds, with the most sought after expensive neighbourhoods populated by Anglo Saxon and Western Europeans close to the North East scenic coast where most of the jobs are also located, so they don't have to travel much.
@@Machka-j7q It's not as bad as @Machka-j7q says. Yes some older immigrants find it hard to learn English, and in the old days there were no schools for older immigrants to learn the language. And yes, some immigrants cluster with their fellow country people. I grew up in one in Melbourne where the immigrants were Italian. However, I would say the children of the immigrants spoke English like everyone else, and they moved away. Most suburbs are quite mixed ethnically, and English is their means of communication. My parents never learnt to speak English properly, and I couldn't speak their language properly either. But my parents were integrated into Australian society.
@@Machka-j7q very interesting. And many in America want to believe there is a neutral "playing field" that allows everyone, regardless of ethnic background, to achieve worldly success. Yet we have the same "ethnic-themed" neighborhoods; and wouldn't you know it: the nicest neighborhoods are almost exclusively populated by Northern European folks. Thanks for your insight. 👍
@@Ponto-zv9vf thank you for this insight. So glad to hear that there is change. Yes, the younger generations are simply not invested in the kinds of prejudice that for too long were simply tolerated and accepted.
@@georgeknightley8828 I lived in America for 16 years and that was not the case- neighbourhoods were not divided along ethnic lines at all. Nor was it the case in Western Europe. First time I've experienced it was in Australia
Yes, but he never talks about that side, it's just of 'token' value. He doesn't look like what Italians are perceived to appear as and I bet he wouldn't be where he is today if he did look Mediterranean. The truth of the matter is, I've noticed that often the immigrants that become successful in Australia could pass as Anglo Saxon.
@@Machka-j7qmaybe they "pass" as Anglos because they are White also. Yeah nobody could tell he's a wog with the name Alabanese lol maybe he doesn't talk about his background because it has nothing to do with Australia...most other PMs have English background. Do you want them to yarn on about England? 😂
@@D13Nword Some 'non-white' peoples (by Australian definition LOL) such as Italians, Greek. Lebanese, Turks, can pass for Western European. That doesn't make them from the 'White' race. Their genes are mixed, they have relatives- mothers, fathers, siblings, children- that would not pass as 'White'. The ignorance amongst you is staggering.
My grandmother was born in Australia in the late 1930s. She doesn't have any Italian heritage but still suffered from much of the discrimination against Italians due to having olive skin and dark hair inherited from a French grandfather. It's so sad to hear stories of what her and her siblings went through. My mother also experienced the discrimination but to a lesser extent.
Southern Italians have thousands of years of history behind them and their heritage comes directly from the golden age of classical Greece. Many American stars have origins in southern Italy: Al Pacino, Robert De Niro, Leonardo DiCaprio, John Travolta, Danny DeVito, Nicolas Cage, Martin Scorsese, Francis Ford Coppola, Lady Gaga, Frank Sinatra, Jon Bon Jovi, Steven Tyler and many others. Prejudices are simply stupid and qualify those who make them. After the fall of the Roman Empire, Italy was divine in small kingdoms, only in 1861 Italy was reunited and this happened because the king who commanded the north invaded the south, to justify his brutal methods propaganda began to spread theories about the inferiority of southern Italians. Whoever wins writes history as it is most useful to him.
What is funny or not, even today, its the up northern italians that were matrixed in that though. In southern valleys of piemonte, and especially in ligurian coast and native nizzardo, well. In old pics, we don't look much different as southern italians. There was also some crossover with iberic people and stuff. My mom looks sicilian without beign sicilian, and i have some pics from late 1800 musicians of the mountains of the ancient Contea di Nizza, Turbia, man they look like chicanos ...
Many more stars were Italian and we never knew it, especially in music: Bobby Rydell, Jimmy Darren, Fabian, Frankie Avalon, Connie Francis, Connie Stevens -- the list goes on and on and on and on. The more you look the more you find. Actual Italians like Sergio Franchi and Virna Lisi could keep their names and find success in the US, but Italian Americans weren't permitted to do that.
@@Nissardpertugiu see old pics, even Kings of Savoy look nothing different than a average Sicilian. Look at blessed Piergiorgio Frassati , a soon to be saint of Catholic church born in Turin from a rather rich family - and tell me if he looks more like Naples or Copenaghen, or Macario another icon from Turin. I could go on and on. This tale (which many Italians still believe especially in the North) is one of the unfortunate results of 19th century pseudoscience of race.
@@Nissardpertugiu Liguria was colonized by Greeks in the ancient times and the original name of Nice was Nikaia (the town of the Victory). That of Marseille was Massalia, in Greek. However the theories about the inferiority of southern Italians came from a Sicilian: Alfredo Niceforo. Lombroso that is accused by ignorants never wrote this. You can look for "lombroso-calabria-il-meridionalista-che-non-taspetti-e-sbagli/".
@@elleanna5869 You must stop this inferiority complex. You have stewed over it. Besides, the Savoy royals were completely foreign-born, not Piedmontese. They were cousins many times of your Franceschiello (the last Bourbon king: his mother was a Savoy). The Piedmontese only took it out on the southerners when they suddenly arrived as emigrants in the hundreds of thousands. Which is what happens normally everywhere. Before that, no one said anything serious. I would have liked to see what happened if hundreds of thousands of poors Piedmontese had arrived in Sicily.
My family arrived in Australia from Italy in 1970 and what you presented was still going on. Now the ‘anglo Australians’ have amnesia about it all and are all in for coffee, pizza and alfresco dining that the hard working Italians introduced.
Good hate them all you want now and after you are minoritized by and ruled by the lovely South Asians and Africans that are now flooding your country. Thanks of course to lovely liberal leftwing Australian women of ALL colors and Non-colors (whatever racist term of description that is your preference), like yourself, I'm sure. These lovely newcomers have built lovely civililzed safe nations for women to walk alone unaccompanied. Oh, sorry, I forgot being with her husband didn't save the Brazilian-Spanish woman from her fate in India.
did they ask for you to come, thats the problem, no one ever asked the US or Austrailia or any other "white" country if they wanted any of these people, the same with slavery, only 3% of the wealthiest colonist owned slaves, mainly of Jewish decent so again do they get a choice in any of this, they have not had that choice for about 100 years now, look at the border, the country is minority white now, they lie about the numbers.
I'm Italian of Italy and I don't know what is the "alfresco" dining. Perhaps it means “al fresco”? That is, in the evening, under an arbor or in a garden? I imagine an outdoor dining. However "alfresco" is an error.
The 500 plus years of this kind of thinking coming out of Europe has been a scourge of the earth. It will be great to see this end once and for all. 😔😔
@@krono5el then why is it that so many people from non christian countries are risking their lives fleeing them non christian countries to predominantly white Christian countries? People with your level of ignorance are the problem. So many muslim countries...yet so many muslims fleeing to europe, Australia, canada, USA and etc.. Same with the Chinese..they have China and its Non religious communist government yet so many chinese fleeing. India has their Hinduism and islam and other religions yet their people want to be in the white christian countries. Israel has judaism yet so many israelis seemed to rather live in a predominantly white christian country. People (like you) hate Christians and hate people of white European descent yet literally build makeshift rafts and try sailing across oceans just to be with them. Notice how there arent droves of white christians wanting to live in Islamic countries, Buddhist countries, Hindu countries, atheistic Communist countries, Jewish countries...etc
Ashkenazim and Sephardim were treated exactly like Italians in Australia. They were called the same racist names. Italians and European Jews both lived in the Melbourne suburb of Carlton and worked side by side in the same textile factories. Many became part of the labor movement and the socialist left in Melbourne.
@@Percept2024Why don’t you actually speak to some Jewish people who came to Australia at the time buddy! Sure they were better off in Australia than in Central and Eastern Europe, but that doesn’t excuse the racism that any non Northern European Protestants experienced in Australia. Although my family went to the USA, I have direct relatives who went to Australia. They were told to go back to where they came from. They were derided for having olive skin, dark hair, and for not being WASPS. The prime minister Robert Menzies admired Hitler. Australia was founded on genocide and wanted to be a WASP bastion in the Southwest Pacific. The first act of Federation in 1901 was the white Australia policy. The racist policies in Australia were based on Protestant Nordicism, therefore along with people from Asia, Africa, South America, Central America, Mexico, and the Pacific, Ashkenazim, Sephardim, Italians, Spaniards, Catalans, Portuguese, Greeks, Maltese, Maltese, Albanians, Slavs, and Magyarok were not welcome in Australia. Put that in your pipe and smoke it buddy!
How long ago is that? Carlton and parts of Brunswick had European Ashkenazi Jews who left Europe in the post WW2 years. It was the English speaking Jews living in the eastern suburbs that did not want to associate with them because they were foreign and spoke Yiddish. There used to be a synagogue in Lygon Street which they sold to the Italians living in Carlton.
@@Ponto-zv9vf That goes back to the 1930’s and 1940’s. There was a Jewish cultural center in Lygon Street Carlton North called Kadimah (advance) which was a popular hang out for Communist Party members and artists like Yosl Bergner. Bergner was a social realist artist who came from Vienna. He empathized with the plight of the Indigenous people and advocated for them in his art. He worked with artists such as Noel Counihan and Vic O’Connor. At the same time Indigenous activist William Cooper lead a march from Footscray to downtown Melbourne protesting Hitler and fascism. Cooper linked the plight of European Jewry to the plight of his own people. The CPA took up the cause of land rights. Bergner also advocated for land rights. Other famous Jews in Carlton were Judah Waten, and Pinchas Goldhar. Goldhar wrote the book Goldeneh Medina (land of gold). Australia was referred to the Goldeneh Medina. There was also a shule in Lord Street Brunswick East. A cousin of mine sent me a photo of the house that was once the shule. Many Ashkenazim worked alongside Italians in the Brunswick textile mills.
@@martinsanchez4827 what a racist remark, yea they closer to Eskimos then northerners,have you even ever been in Italia? Our only difference is the accent,just like theUSA ,stop stereotyping US ,you watch way too many Hollywood movies mate! Dum uneducated comment,or maybe you’re right yea you’re right they are different they live in the north and we live in the south ,we are completely different
Good video, but I think your American worldview colours your interpretation of Australia's ethnic landscape. I grew up in Gippsland and am Anglo-Celtic Aussie, and we had one of the highest proportions of Italian, Greek and (then) Yugoslav immigration, and they mostly arrived post-war when the power station was being built and our agricultural sector was kicking of. The Italians were renowned for buying cheap land and making it fertile. We called them "wogs" which was a term of derision but they came to own it. To give you an indication, we were a relatively small rural area but had our own National Soccer League team funded by wealthy Italians and Greeks. To this day the term "Aussie" is still an ethnic term to refer to Anglo-Celts, but other groups use it too. We also had a lot of indigenous "blackfella" settlements dotted around. This emphasis on people being "white" visavis black or brown was not really a thing, except for the blackfellas. We were different ethnic groups with different identities and cultural practices, but we were close enough that by my generation we didn't really think too much of it, I think largely because the "woggy" accent was barely noticeable, but the differences were always there and we tended to marry within our own groups. Frankly I think the whole notion of "white" is nonsense and lacks so much nuance that it shouldn't even really be used in a serious conversation about these issues. You yanks are so much more obsessed with white vs black than we are, but it is ofcourse a different situation.
I have a question for you. How many biracial children born in the 60s were placed in foster homes due to biracial marriages being illegal? I have a feeling like the native Americans that children were taken from there families and placed in foster homes.
In Australia or the US? I know a lot of biracial (half African, Caribbean, half Anglo Americans, Scandinavians etc) people born in the 60s in the US and they were never placed in foster homes etc. I think that was in some backwards Southern states of the US. In Australia, Indigenous people were not considered human until 1967. They were counted as 'fauna and flora'.
@@Machka-j7q no they weren't lol you're uneducated...basically terra nulius said there was no existing law and there was only fauna and flora...it never said they weren't human...
@@D13Nword Yes, they were. I'm not talking about terra nullius, which means 'land belonging to nobody'. Counting people as 'fauna' and not in an official census of humans implies they are not considered people.
Yes that is what my first girlfriend told me. She was Anglo Australian, I was Maltese Australian. She also said, Catholics always build on a hill, for defence. She was Protestant, I was Catholic.
Alot of Italians forget that when the Roman Empire fell , most of them scattered to other parts of Italy or to other countries. Like most Countries Italy is one small part of this crazy world. My Grandparents came to Victoria Australia late 40s , My father went to school as his siblings did until they couldn't to work on the land then all the new generations of Sons and Daughters came along . Growing up in Melbourne Australia was great and sometimes challenging with the already established English , Irish , Scottish Australian's. When it got tough we just fixed the problems , however means was nessasry. Today looking back I'm glad my Grandfather chose Victoria to settle. Oh by the way Growing up we where just as white as the average Australian , maybe slightly Olive .
Australia had many cultures on the First Fleet in 1788, including Afghans, escaped slaves, Jews etc. I think they mostly got along with and married each other until free settlers moved to Australia in 1840’s. My own family are descendants of these very people. My mothers sister married an Albanian Muslim just after the war, my mothers brother married a half Chinese (Australian Gold Rush Descendant) half Italian woman. Her 2 brothers married aboriginal women. I have a few Irish 4th great grandmothers who married Protestant men with no problems and yet Irish were considered lowest of the low later in almost all societies across the world. Most Australians today would be an incredibly diverse population if they tested their DNA. I have 15 different ethnicities. I think a lot of secrets were kept. I think you have to take into account that we had different waves of migration and the more English people who flooded in the more racist our society became. If you came in the beginning I think there was more tolerance because they were all considered to be filthy convicts even if they were English, so were on equal footing. Australia has been multi cultural since the first ship sailed in. During World War One my German great grandfather was put in a detention camp as a spy even though his sons were in the Australian army fighting overseas, and during World War Two my grandfather hid Italian and German citizens on his farm to prevent them being taken to detention camps. These people owned their own farms but were unjustly targeted. Speaking of Southern Italians, our friend who has Italian born parents did her DNA and came back as 25% North African with very close matches in Israel and with Jews in other countries and she knew nothing about this. So there must have been some Sephardic Jews passing for Italians in Italy. It has to be great grandparents but her family deny any knowledge of it. All I can say is where would I be without my coffee today. Also ethnic migrants worked much harder than the English ones. I wish everyone would have their DNA done.
@@Antonio_DG they also have a lot of middle eastern DNA, the Jews were taken as slaves to Rome 2000 years ago and after 1492 Sephardi Jews escaped from Spain and Portugal during the inquisition all over the southern Mediterranean and North Africa and south even to West Africa marrying and converting local women. My maternal Haplogroup is African my branch is L1b1a which migrated to Morocco. In Italy some Jews married Italian women and some Jewish women married Italian men and converted to Catholicism. I have 7% Italian. There has been some very interesting DNA studies done on southern Italians. Most Ashkenazi Jews have southern Italian DNA
@@Antonio_DGCan you read? And understand did you read all of what they wrote. 25%North African. Israel....? Totally don't get what is being looked for.?
Unfortunately racists often say the DNA test is lying. My brother's father in law probably had a NPE event. He was born near the Mexican border in the USA to two white parents. But his DNA came back 20% Native and 30% Spanish. His other family members who got tested don't have Native or Spanish DNA. Unfortunately this knowledge didn't change his racist remarks about Mexicans.
I read that Italian internment in Australia was worse than Italian internment in the USA during the second world war. In the United States of America, just as you said about Australia in this podcast, Italians were considered not completely White, and therefore part Black, because some of them had a darker complexion than the average northern European descendant in America. Hence, the derogatory ethnic slur against Italians, “Guinea,” which refers to a place where most people are dark skinned. Also, while mostly Blacks were lynched in USA history, there are 50 documented cases of Italians being lynched in states, including Mississippi, Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana, Chicago, Washington, Arizona, Colorado and NY. In one situation, Italian storekeepers waited on Black customers before serving the White customers. The White customers and their friends returned to the store and lynched the Italian storekeepers and two, Italian customers who happened to be in the store at the time.
Why does it matter to you? I have used publicly available dna programs, and they show that there is sub Saharan ancestry among Southern Italians, it's very tiny, but it's there. The Muslims went they controlled Sicily and affected the southern parts of Italy and the island of Sardinia, had Black Africans among their number. However in Sicily and Southern Italy, there is minor North African ancestry that is Berber ancestry. But again, so what.
North Africans and Arabs invaded and slave raided southern Italy from the time of ancient Egypt to the 19th century; these acts started long before the Muslims existed. This particular podcast is about how Italians were treated and identified in the history of Australia. My intention was to add related information to it. What matters to me is my business.
@@Ponto-zv9vf This podcast is about Italians, not Germans and Japanese. They should not have interned anyone who was a citizen of their country, neither Italian, Japanese nor German. With some people who had the power to make these decisions, it may have had something to do with their skin tones in some cases.
I work with ecosystems, diversity, and "invasive species". the parallels between them and people migrating are basically the same. The main difference is perspective. Is your view from the established ecosystem (or society) or the others entering it. Whether diversity is good or bad depends on who it impacts A lot of people work to control or eliminate foreign plants, insects, animals, diseases from ecosystems that the people choose to deem valuable. This is viewed as being a "good thing" But if a society tries to do the same, it receives a negative reaction. The introduction of something (or someone) new will shift the balance. Diversity is in the eye of the beholder. Things that are different are not the same The start of a discussion
F1 drivers Oscar Piastri and Daniel Riccardio are Italio-Australians but anyhow like US in Australia whether you were white or not was based on whether you were Protestant or not. Given the fact Italians were overwhelming Catholic they were seen as non-white.
You should watch the documentary " Black US soldiers in Australia WW2 " It shows how at first they weren't allowed to disembark on to Australian soil, to interracial dating in Australia, also how complaints were made about how the U.S army treated them.
I’m Australian of British heritage and I can’t help but thinking that Australia’s White Australia Policy was at least in part an (un)conscious reaction to the suppression of the Indigenous population who were said to be “dying out” (spoiler alert - they didn’t and remain to this day as an indictment on the illegal appropriation of their land). When the Italians and Greek immigrants arrived post WW2 they were othered, and then overtime embraced to the point they have become an intrinsic part of modern Australian culture (bringing among other things: good coffee and a more diverse cuisine). Similarly in the 1970s and 1980s there was resistance against Asian immigration, which population now has also largely become beloved. Currently our Middle Eastern and Muslim Australians are being put through the same baptism of fire - prejudice and fear of the other.
When I got to Australia in the 1980s, I saw a polyglot nation. I ate at an Italian restaurant run by Chinese. I saw Nordic blondes and very dark skinned Africans and Indians. I felt at home. If I did not have a wife back in the US; I would have stayed. I didn't know Oz had the same demons as the USA. I gues my ancestors got mistreated everywhere they went. My mothers parents came from Italy in the early 1900s. Two of my grandmother's brothers went of to WWI to serve their new nation. One got gassed for his patriotism and had lung issues the rest of his life. They were beaten by scabs and the police for they to unionize the coal mines. My family left Italy because there was no future. Only subsistance farming and poverty. They wanted those American streets paved with gold. As for skin color my mother noted on more than one occasion that she was as dark as a black persin when she spent time in the sun. Yes, that was true.
This video is referring to the time of the post WW2 immigration boom, and also to back more than 100 years ago. In those times the quite pale Irish Australians were not accepted, couldn't get work in some industries and firms because they were Irish Catholic. There was a lot of enmity over WW1 conscription which an Irish born priest in Melbourne opposed. Archbishop Mannix. Now if Irish weren't accepted, how do you think Italians who didn't speak English, ate strange foods, dressed differently, and had a darker appearance would fare back in those days.
@@Ponto-zv9vf You mean pre WWI immigration boom and the Irish Catholics couldn't get work because the firms were Protestant. By the end of WWII while there was stillnsome prejudice Irish Catholics were generally accepted back then. Italians were still getting some heavy prejudice in part due to the war (WWII) that recently ended, but even then it wasn't as bad as it was during the turn of the 20th century
Please go a watch an Australian film made in the 60's titled ' They're a weird Mob ' a comic and warm depiction of a lone Italian immigrant who arrived in Sydney
It's a bit old, and stereotypical of Australians especially the drinking in pubs. I would watch it just to see the old actors, not the subject of the film itself.
As much hate and discrimination I feel for being "white" these days my Sicilian side wasn't offended by the articles. What I did find funny was them saying Italians being greasy. I remember growing up on the 70s and 80s people would talk about black people having grease in their hair. My mom refused to put any oil in her hair but the truth is we need it and my hair would be a mess if I don't leave conditioner or oil in my hair.
They are Iberian and have Semitic roots by way of the Ottoman Empire. They weren’t white in the founding years of USA and they are not now. There were signs that said no “Italians” among other races pertaining to rent and employment.
Funny because it was Iberians who invented the entire notion of whiteness with the Casta system. And guess who are the purest and oldest of all Europeans: ..the Basques of North Spain
All the way to the mid 1900's and even beyond the early historians tend to base a mutual relation between Amorites of Asia & Palestinian Amorites. The Roman concept of Amorica is the same portrait that the Ancient Babylonian & Egyptian accounts attest to of their own captives which were the Palestinian Amorites which were not related to the Babylonians that began to inhabit Italy between 3c. BCE - 3c CE. many of which adopted Greek names rather than of the distinct Roma culture of Italy that became a minority themselves before the surge of religious dogma. According to the modern definition Muslims are Hebrews or Semitic without Issac & Jacob... and without those descendants there's no hope for Israel.
In the fourties and fifties there had been a little war you know WW2. Italy was one of the enemies, thousands of young Australian men died. They weren't to happy about Welsh, Cornish, or Germans before WW1. One of my Grandfathers was full blood gypsy, one Cornish. Both had very successful lives. Perhaps you could do a piece on being different under socialism or being the wrong group in the middle east or Africa.
And today it's the Haitians are eating the dogs and cats...meanwhile they are legal and were invited in by the business owners of Springfield Ohio to fill the labor shortage..
I'm Greek and we came to Australia in the mid 1950's. I remember those days well. If it wasn't for the Greeks and Romans the rest of Europe would still be living in huts and Hillforts!!!
It's true though, Greeks and Roman were very influential, but that was 2000 years ago. But some how you needed to convict Anglos to live in a prosperous country. Its actually embarrassing that mudhut Anglos some how created these countries that people dream to live in.
About twenty years ago, I went to Melbourne to visit my sister. We went to an exhibit on the Italian immigrants to Australia. There were things that reminded us of our Italian relatives in New York. There was a funny story that an Italian immigrant woman told. Because Australian did not have birth control, she and her husband brought a suitcase full of condoms. When they went through customs the suitcase broke open and the Australian customs official gave them a disparaging look.
It's kind of the same for Northwest Spaniards. Irish consider us their cousins and send us love. Americans of Irish descent get really mad and claim they have absolutely no hispano blood. In fact people from Ireland considers Northwest Spaniards more of their family than people in the Americas of Irish descent. It seems like people who move abroad like to the USA, LATAM, and Australia get racist all of a sudden and probably insecure about their Europeaness. I noticed that people who move abroad or castizos are more racist than the actual people in Europe
That is kind of strange. It is well known that Galicians have the most North African ancestry of all the Spanish. I am not saying that to denigrate the Galicians, it is just fact. I was born in Europe, and consider myself to be European racially, but it doesn't mean anything more than that. In Europe, the Italians don't really care what anyone who is not Italian thinks of them. It's the Italo Americans who care about how others see them as White people. Italians just laugh, it's not important to them at all.
@@Ponto-zv9vfBeing Iberian myself NO IT'S NOT WELL KNOWN but some sort of internet hoax where the uneducated ran away with it since they have moro genes where moors ruled in Andulucia and are resentful of Galicia's and Asturia's Europeaness and CELTIC ROOTS. Just look at the typical Galician and then compare them to Andulucians who are so dark and not very European looking.
@@Ponto-zv9vf Honey, I am not Galician and obviously you don't know anything about Spain or Europe if you didn't know what Asturias is. That's a lie that you are spreading because you have Andulucian or MENA DNA. South Spain is very MOORISH AND PRACTICALLY ON TOP OF AFRICA unlike the Northwest that is remote and isolated because of the mountains. That is Iberian history 101. There are papers about the lack of diversity of the North of Spain including the Basques who are related to us and are the purest and oldest of all Europeans. Everyone in Europe knows that Galicia is CELTIC and get invited to the NYC St Patricks Day Parade and are celtic nations unlike the others.
To create olive color you must start mixing brown lol. 💯 i love the Italian Diaspora BTW from Argentina to Brazil to Canada to Tunisia to Australia. 🇮🇹✌🏼🇺🇸 Sicily is only 65 miles from N.Africa.
@@chrisventura1881 maybe he is a 1/4 Algerian or something... The North African contribution to the Sicilian gene pool is estimated to be around 6%...Read up about it on peer reviewed up to date genetic studies
@pequerobles he's not he's %100 Neopolitan. Just type in Luche DNA test. He a famous rapper. I've seen other say %13-20. Maybe there's a discrepancy w the DNA companies. They also say middle eastern which encompasses a large area that includes N.Africa
You are right, it really is not that long ago, well within living memory. What joins the US and Australia in this respect is the Northern European and in particular British attitude to whiteness. These attitudes were very prevalent in Britain. As a child of ambiguous origins I encountered all of the negative you mentioned from your sources during the 1950s, sometimes applied to me or my family. It was applied equally to people of Spanish heritage too, not just Italian. I have no idea of the jargon in other Northern European countries, but it is notable in English speaking nations the language was identical. What I find so flabbergasting about this is that at the same time there was wholesale appropriation of Mediterranean cultures as the noble lineage of ‘white’ culture stretching right back to the Egyptians! Yet the people of the Mediterranean nations were all equally despised to the degree that it got carried to new world nations and was firmly embedded there. What actually changed things in Australia was when the whites only policies were relaxed and much darker skinned peoples were allowed in, even though at first some of them were culturally European and were vetted for being fairer skinned. Of course they did relax on the latter over time, but afaik some of the attitudes persist, as they do among other ex-colonial populations, notably white South Africans. The ‘dirty’ epithet was often bandied around too. Thank goodness the vast majority of people have grown past those times. You do understand these ideas originated in Europe? The brown skinned child in me that could never understand any of this tried very hard to get it to make some sense, but the old person I grew into never did! I do think though that it bears examining and discussion, and a thorough debunking for the nonsense it always was. Italian migrants were often let in because they knew about agriculture, could farm things other than livestock, and would work cheaper than anyone else, in order to survive.
The British are rather insular, it is an island they live on. The reason Brexit occurred was that the older Brits couldn't cope with the EU citizens coming over in large numbers, people from Poland in particular who aren't exactly known to be dark but quite light. Islanders are like that, sensitive about being overrun. It isn't skin tone, it's foreignness. Skin tone is a USA obsession because of slavery, the redskins and the Mexicans. There was a lot of rubbish written about President Lincoln because of his not so light skin tone.
@@Ponto-zv9vf lol, I am British, and Brexit was nothing to do with anything other than toxic politics and xenophobia. I have also lived on other Islands that are not xenophobic so your generalisation does not bear weight. Furthermore Britain had a massive empire and was not divorced from the rest of the world. However there were people who believed that the EU was the reason we had immigration of darker skinned people. Funnily enough we now have massively increased immigration of the same kind but not via the EU, but as a result of trade deals done as a result of Brexit. A lot of people now regret the whole thing including many different types of specialist workers. We have lost millions of well educated trained EU citizens from our workforce so a lot of things no longer work well. If the referendum vote were run now it would utterly fail to win support for leaving. Any malcontent is absolutely about skin colour there is a constant drone about how white people are going to disappear. The older people are noutnot as insular as you might think, the largest growing demographic is mixed origin, and there are millions of nannas and granddads who have mixed origin grandkids they adore. It is generally a particular type of fifty something and possibly their offspring who drive xenophobia, not very successfully, it must be said. The bigger issue people have is bad mismanagement of the country resulting in disgruntled people who feel we cannot afford an increase in population.
It’s funny how you always mention south Italians when in fact north east were right there and did not mix with the British at that time my uncle cut cane for two years to pay for his voyage from veneto btw not all south are olive skinned I was just in Italy and seen more pale than olive in lazio and campagnia
Carissimo, stai parlando con gente che ha problemi razziali negli USA. Quindi, è inutile che gliela racconti. Questa ragazza ha abbracciato la via del lamento e del piagnucolio, che va tanto di moda nelle Università americane. In realtà, ovunque si emigri e chiunque lo faccia, si è sempre colpiti dalle peggiori accuse da parte della comunità dominante. La storia della pelle oliva l'hanno inventata gli americani, perché in America del Nord gli italiani si sono mischiati con gente di tutte le origini (gli italiani hanno seguito il cuore e non hanno avuto la cattiveria di altri popoli), ma i discendenti continuano a dire che sono italiani, anche se hanno acquisito un tono di pelle diverso (il che è assolutamente irrilevante). Sinceramente, possono dire ciò che vogliono. Certamente, per uno studioso, trasferire la propria esperienza personale sullo studio di altre terre è estremamente dannoso e poco scientifico. Come lo sarebbe cercarsi solo gli esperti che dicano le cose che piacciano a noi "a priori".
Olive in Australia means not having a complexion the same as stereotypical Swedes, being more yellowish. Most Northern Italians look Mediterranean, it's only a minority that look more Central European in complexion and few have a Northern European complexion even in the German speaking parts of Italy.
@@Ponto-zv9vf Ahahahahaha. The Mediterranean complexion doesn't exist. Each part of the Mediterranean has a different complexion. Like each part of the Northern Europe. In Italy each family has a different prevalent complexion, in the same place. And in the same family could have blond, dark hairs and blue or dark eyes, in different persons. What is truly different between Italians and Swedes is the shape of the nose and the average height, not the color of the skin, but is the same difference between a (in your opinion) stereotypical Italian and a Moroccan. The last are taller and their hairs are very very different. I had lunch with a Swedish family the other week, and their skin was the same as that of my countrymen (indeed, my sister, who unfortunately has already died, had it more transparent than theirs). In Australia you have problems without knowing it.
Danielle just a word of warning there is a term you’re using in this video that starts with “Anglo”. I wouldn’t think it would be a problem normally but you have had Russians on the channel. They use the term almost like a slur think “Yankee” and “Anglo’s” don’t like it. So just be mindful of words and the political climate we are in.
There is absolutely nothing offensive about the term Anglo Saxon! It's like saying Mediterranean, or Celtic, or Sub Saharan African. OTOH, Australians most definitely use the word Yankee as a slur against any American, who they feel very superior to, for reasons still unclear to me. Another word they use is septic tank or sepo (get it? yank rhymes with septic tank which means toilet). Charming people
Something that bothers me, as an Australian of Southern Italian descent, is how this assimilation to whiteness and "Australian-ness" is rarely connected, in our communities, to why racism is unconscionable and, also, ridiculous! If only Southern Italian descendants would learn our history (including of the unification of Italy and its legacy, and the homogenising force of fascism), and be in solidarity with other racialised groups--against white supremacy--rather than clinging to a seductive but essentially morally corrupting superiority complex that's used against current immigrants and Indigenous peoples.
Olives are primarily green or black. The notion of pink olives is unfounded. It's essential to acknowledge Italy's complex history, including the immigration of Italian and the Roman replacement of the Etruscan civilization. While Italian culture is remarkable, it's crucial to recognize the indigenous peoples. Roman colonization of Italy involved establishing fortified colonies on the Palatine Hill. Unfortunately, prejudices persist, hindering unbiased and honest discussions. Interestingly, she objects to southern Italians being perceived as non-Italian due to African genetic heritage, but is puzzled by the unique ethnogenic origins of Native Black Americans in the United States.
Olive skin is a human skin tone. It is often associated with pigmentation in the Type III to Type IV and Type V ranges of the Fitzpatrick scale. It generally refers to moderate or lighter tan or brownish skin, and it is often described as having tan, brown, cream, greenish, yellowish, or golden undertones. Wikipedia
Yes, olives do come in green, dark red and black and all olives are actually said to be black olives with different shades as they ripen to black. The green olives are young and unripened while the red and black are ripe olives. The red and black olives look more like complexions of black people. Also you are correct about the Etruscans being there prior to the ROMANce people, they also had a bit of a different diet than those who came later, there were some similarities, but also many differences.
@@gabrielleangelica1977 You should be asking yourself what planet you are from, as you clearly didn’t read and the Greek olives are actually a reddish color. All that’s mentioned in the post if you read. Also people were speaking of Italians not Greeks.
Easily explained. Look at 'Mysteries of Neolithic Europe' by Study of Antiquity and the Middle Ages. There is a beautiful (I mean visually 'sharp' compared to others, that have some unreadable) map of the spreading of Neolithic farming, and the inhabitants of the mediterranean 'score' high in anatolian farming ancestry (so do the Irish, a reason to also call them 'dark' from a northern / Baltic Sea-Inhabitants perspective), for details on the today percentage of Anatolian Farmer-genes in today Europeans watch videos by Reich and Krause. Mind: Northern Africa is always missing in these Neolithic-spread-maps, but it should be included, because these migrations happended not only by feet, people cutting up forests for gaining space for fields and building houses and needing fire- & pottery-oven-wood, spreading field by field, house by house slowly generation by generation, but also partly much quicker by boats along the coast. And Northern Africa is famous for having produced most of the grains of the Roman Empire, but this farming goes a long way back. (Well, canoe-building is something that already happened in grand style during the Mesolithic, the Mesolithic HG's developing a great taste for fish and seafood and spreading along the coasts and rivers. But raft building is much older, that must go back at least to 58.000 years BP.)
@@masterjunky863 You mean she is actually seeing Hispanics, and other mixed types and thinking they are Italian? In Australia quite a lot of non Europeans from the Middle East and West Asia pass themselves off as Italians. Don't know why?
The British definition of white is very specific. If you didn't look like them or fit their definition, you were suspect. I have Middle Eastern cousins who still have issues in England. Any country the Brits colonized or had early settlers were subjected to these definitions.
It isn't about skin color as you indicate. It's about foreignness, looking different. Even Poles who are light skinned but foreign had problems in the UK, and pushed the British to leave the E.U.
Wow, I was unaware of this but not surprised given Australia's problematic history,, as Europeans settled there. As I've stated before it's hard to find any place on earth, where there isn't disenfranchisement and mistreatment of others. Thank you for sharing these historical facts.
It isn't as bad as you think. I am Southern European, I am not blond or blue eyed, I have had nothing to rail about. In Australia if you come across as an open person about Australia and Australians, understand the the way Australians use English, how they joke, satire, and don't go around with your head up your rear end, you'll be fine. Arrogant foreigners are not appreciated. Our history has a lot of blemishes, we started off as a penal colony of Britain, exterminated some of our indigenous, had a Restrictive Immigration Policy aka White Australia, brought people from the Pacific Islands to grow sugarcane, but we are a young country, and we have learnt from our past.
This is happening now in this country to divide and conquered the human race, it's an old playbook but it works thank you for sharing historical hard truthful facts 👏🏻...!
I have never seen so many racist comments under one video. Thanks guys: now we will know how to treat Australians in Italy. :-) Prevention is better than cure.
"Became" white? Mediterranean Europeans in Australia who look swarthy are still not considered "white". I know that is contentious to say. This is in practice proven true in police suspect profiles. The term "Caucasian" means "Nordic". The term "Of Mediterranean or Middle Eastern Appearance" can be applied to anyone who looks Southern European, Western Asian or North African. Hence, they're all lumped into the same category.
Honey my family is Southern European and we look nothing like Middle Eastern people. In fact some people even thought my dad looked like the Swedish actor Stellan Skarsgard from the film Anita or Emilio Estevez who is also part Iberian.
European is not a race. Neither is white its a color. People in Italy range from all colors. From dark to light. Europe is a continent not a race, its where the person is from is what he or she should be called not a continent as it just shows your ignorance and also you calling people white which is a color.
@@asturiasceltic3183I am aware Southern Europeans can be "white looking ", and different shades and hues. There are also Levantine Arabs, Turks and Persians who phenotypically look "white" in appearance. I am not contending that all South Euros are swarthy, I am merely talking about "Australian Standards ". Those that look dark are often seen as ethnic looking. The so called "Mediterranean Race" is found all around the Mediterranean. I have known white looking Southern Italians who had Middle Eastern and North African admixture showing on their 23andMe DNA tests despite their phenotype. I have no opinion on the matter, but Aussies are known for being nordicists. Like I said police suspect profiles in Australia would only identify Southern Europeans as "Caucasian " if they look indistinguishable from fair Northern Europeans, which, despite stereotypes, there are many that do. On the other hand there are Italians like Luke Pasqualino who looks Indian and Pauli Malignaggi who looks Arab (Google them).
Would they consider British people like Tom Ellis and Mr Bean and Germans like Goebbels and Hess as White? They all look Mediterranean and are ethnic Central/Northern Europeans
Why use swarthy? Only bigots use swarthy to describe anyone who cannot pass as a Viking in pigmentation. And who cares what those people think? Maybe you don't know, but there are quite a few Anglo Australians who can pass as Mediterranean European, when I was young those Australians were called Darkie.
Well, this is a topic that brings out the stirrers, the ones who thrive on mischief, trolls today. I am Southern European, Australian, lived in the post WW2 days and I didn't experience that many problems. Nothing that couldn't be laughed off. I will tell you how isolated Australia was back then, no TV, no international news sources, when I started prep grade called bubs (babies), I heard war songs, sung by my fellow school students. Who won the war in 1945. we won the war in 1945 and Hitler had only one brass ball, Himmler had two but small, but poor old Joeballs had none at all... I started school quite a while after WW2 ended.
So if Italians are "tainted" with black blood, and are not "white," (whatever that means) I'm sure Australians wouldn't have any issues if movies about Leonardo Da Vinci, Michelangelo, Marco Polo, Galileo, not to mention the Romans like Caesar, were to be portrayed by black men. 😄😄😄
@@nytn True. But whether northern Italian or southern Italian, they were all lumped together as southern Europeans who were deemed " inferior" to northern Europeans by WASP nativist sentiments in the US and in this case Australia. In the 1920s, the KKK actually opposed the move to make Columbus Day a holiday because of the strong anti-Italian sentiments in the US. They didn't care that he was a northern Italian Genoese either.
@@gobanitono they weren't. Northern Italians were the first Italians in Australia, and were treated decently. Most Northern Italians went back to their respective regions, but the problem started when Southern Italians came.
Olives are green on their way to becoming black and in between that they are a dark red color more close to black than they are green, so when people speak of an olive complexion it would typically be dark or black of what some say is swarthy. In times passed there were many mixed Italians, but when you really get into it there were also many black people which is understandable considering the location. The mix does not preceded the original, purple does not make red and blue as it’s a secondary color not a primary color. You need red and blue to make purple not the other way around. Green does not make blue or yellow, it’s the primary colors of blue and yellow that make green. So the Italians in Australia that wanted to be white were not considered that as Australia also had a large British population there. There is a show from years ago that went over the people being sent to Australia from the UK and often times they were children who didn’t have the best upbringing, so they were sent there for a potential better life.
What? Olive people such as armenioid folk are darker and redder in summer and southerly latitude, but in winter and northerly latitudes are lighter and have greenish complexion. When people in the middle ages witnessed Jewish people doing kabbalistic magic that image was seared into their subconscious as witchcraft. That's why witches and goblins are depicted with green skin, diminutive size and large nose; it's a caricature of armenioid traits.
@@gabrielleangelica1977 You should be asking yourself what planet you are from, as you clearly didn’t read and the Greek olives are actually a reddish color. All that’s mentioned in the post if you read. Also people were speaking of Italians not Greeks.
No, no, no. Olive doesn't refer to a green color or the ripe dark purple color. It refers to a yellowish hue. Some people use olive to mean brown, they do in Australia a lot, it's just ignorance. As to swarthy, that is the color of some Indians, a darker brown. Southern Italians are not swarthy, though sun lovers that they are, can go quite brown after some sun exposure.
@@Ponto-zv9vf Swarthy is synonymous with black, and there are black people like model Nyakim Gatweck who did a Queen of the Dark article about her being black. So please give a model or celebrity with the yellowish hue you call olive that you are speaking of. With Indian people they tend to have darker hues unless something changes that, the Andaman Islanders are Indian and dark, so from black to white are they in the middle, because that wouldn’t be yellowish, it would be brown like “Black” Americans who are actually different shades of brown.
Ciò che è successo negli Stati Uniti o in Australia per gli italiani sta accadendo ora con il generale Vannacci con gli immigrati. Si vuole a tutti i costi creano un'alterità e lo si fa non sulla base di una comune eredità culturale, ma sull'apparenza fisica, cominciando sempre dal colore della pelle.
Noi Italiani siamo l'espressione di una superiore civiltà millenaria, perciò possiamo lasciare tranquillamente agli Statunitensi e agli Australiani le loro illusioni sulla razza. - We Italians are the expression of a superior millenary civilization, so we can safely leave the Americans and Australians their illusions about race.
Don't be so bigotted. Australians are a good people who aren't as biased against any immigrant of any color are portrayed in this video. Italians are no angels, they are quite bigoted against Black Africans, I have seen it myself, and the average Italian is nothing special as a person or as a European.
Hi, curly. I asked several months back if you would also make a video deconstructing other races. You said that you would. I'm still waiting. Is it only Whites that must be made to feel that their racial group is a social construction?
Danielle , as you know , I am half Italian like you. But I have to point-out the fact that within the decades that you were talking about , ITALY was allied with the most genocidal nation in European history --- NAZI Germany !! Also , it was the Anglosphere and Russia who defeated Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy.
@@tiredoftrolls2629 Most of Europe doesn't have a problem with South Europeans, in fact many European places even admire Italy whether it's North or South because that's where a lot of European history and culture evolved from.
The Lebanese have had issues as they come from a war torn country and not sophisticated, rather boorish and backward. Some South Sudanese in Melbourne had similar problems. By the way, I have met many Lebanese of all stripes and they are not exactly a nice group of people. That the point actually, a lot of immigrants are not wonderful people, rather crude and ignorant.
How much of the derision of immigrants is class/economics-based but wrongly associated with color? I think of the hate Irish faced even though they were "white." What is the obsession that Anglo-Saxons have with skin color? They seem to place all problems on skin color instead of any other factor.
To define my fellow country men and women, I don't consider Australians are obsessed with skin tones. By the way Anglo-Saxons haven't existed for hundreds of years. Australians today are highly admixed. Yes there still are Europeans here, but it isn't a privilege, it's just a variety of Australian.
The Irish in early USAmerica weren't considered White. It'd be interesting to see if that were also true in Australia. Of course, the idea of whiteness in Australia was contrasted with the blackness of the Aboriginal people. So, it might be that actual skin tone/color was more definitive of whiteness. Iinm, Australia had laws restricting the entrance of Black people until the mid-late 20th century. Anyway, it's certain that there was white-passing in Australia; but, I wonder if there's any narrative literature about someone who did it.
@@sr2291 But, the Anglo-Saxons didn't call themselves White people. In Italy, to this day, there are the Lombards whose name derives from their "long beard" Norman (north man) heritage. There was an old US commercial where the speaker said they were the blond haired, blue-eyed Italians. The Brits/English in the US defined themselves as White after they arrived in the colonies. But, that was their definition. Anyway, it came down to appearances, not reality. Does anyone ask whether the ancient Greeks and Romans were "White'? (Actually, yes, even the ancient Egyptians are racially categorized).
Anti-Irish prejudice was never racial since the Irish are not phenotypically different from the English or Scottish, unlike Mediterranean people. It was entirely based on religion and culture.
@@HN1066X they depicted them as monkeys and portrayed the Irish as less than human. That was a real organised genocide. They, the British didn’t lift a finger to help them
No, they are Europeans who come in a range of skin tones. They would mostly define as European first. Unless they have some political axe to bring they probably would not refer to themselves as white unless explicitly asked to classify themselves on a colour basis. Some European would, but for the most part it is not a priority.
@@lindyashford7744 Wrong. The Spaniards invented the term "white" with their casta system. If it wasn't for us the entire notion of whiteness would not exist or talked about like we are doing right now. Italians are white according to this. People outside of Europe where not considered white by this caste system. I have Italian family members in the USA and they consider themselves white. And I know tons of American Italians who consider themselves white.
@@Ζεύς1 Yes, it is. European is synonmous with white or Caucasian. What do you think Europeans are? sub-Saharan Africans.. If it's the race categories than no, European is not a race because there is Caucasoids (white), black and Mongoloid, however Europe is the motherland of whites.
Lombroso was a socialist and never wrote what you said about South Italians. That was wrote by a Sicilian : as anthropologist Maria Teresa Milicia has made clear in her "Lombroso e il brigante" (Rome, Salerno 2014), the father of anti-Southern racism with scientific pretensions is the Sicilian Alfredo Niceforo who, influenced by Lombroso's theory, attempts an interpretation of it in a “racial” key. Lombroso was a 19th-century criminologist. For Lombroso, men can be delinquents by birth, regardless of their ethnicity or the color of its skin. Niceforo goes further: according to him, there are genetically delinquent peoples: southern Italians and Sardinians, for example. Stop, because you are spreading hatred out of sheer ignorance of the facts.
He was also a criminologist. While serving in the Piedmontese army in Southern Italy, Cesare Lombroso theorized that Southern Italians were inherently prone to violent and criminal behavior due to their “atavistic” nature, or evolutionary primitiveness. He even saw acts of rebellion as part of this supposed criminal trait. And of course, inferior to northern Italians . I am not on my computer, but I will edit with my sources. Thanks for the comment!
@@nytn Absolutely false. That is the narrative of the "neo-Borbonic" party, not a scientific perspective. No serious southern historian says such things. Moreover, the Piedmontese army never invaded the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies. The one that intervened in 1860 was already the Italian army, made up of soldiers from all parts of Italy: Piedmontese, Sardinians, Ligurians, Lombards, Emilians, Tuscans, soldiers from the Marche region and southerners outside too (many emigrated before to the North, because pro-unitarian). Nor is it correct to say that all the generals were Piedmontese. Another neo-Bourbon falsehood. You must read better books. The things you repeat, in Italy, would at best be coffee shop topics for frustrated people who have read books written by whiny journalists.
@@nytn What took place in the South at the time of Unification was a class struggle, not a racial struggle. Initially, Southern peasants had believed that Garibaldi (who was a Republican) would help peasants become smallholders. Then, the peasants saw that he did not want to change society. The matter got worse when Garibaldi ceded power to the King of the House of Savoy (who, by the way, was first cousin to the King of Naples, since the latter was the son of his father's sister). In fact, by that time the rich people of the North and Center had made full alliance with the rich and noble people of the South not to change southern society. It was then that some of the peasants rebelled against the new unified Italian Authority.
We came here on ships and planes, the ‘white people’ were brought here in chains. 🇦🇺🇮🇹Family migrated from Reggio Calabria to Aus in 50s & 60s. I was born in 1975 & believe me when I tell you it was abundantly clear we were treated as ‘different’ & came to wear it as a badge of pride. We were glad to be different … now they all want to be us. Go figure. Being 1st generation Aus was hard on us - we spoke the language, understood the insults & had to defend our culture as well as trying to assimilate with people who didn’t want us here. No one worked harder than the ‘wogs’ and got little recognition. A fruit shop had written on their window ‘shop here before the dagoes’ (day goes)… so racist! 🤘 So proud of my southern Italian heritage - we are the best people! We are the salt of the earth & this country would have never been so beautiful if the Italians didn’t bust their guts to make it this way. ♥️🇮🇹♥️ Archie Rose was a famous aboriginal who recently passed away… he didn’t know he was aboriginal until someone at school told him he was… he thought he was Greek or Italian, because he saw the similarities in our skin colour. (Lilydale High School, Melbourne, VIC. Aus) The white Australians, descendants of the convicts, looked down on everyone - especially the Aboriginal indigenous people. It’s mind blowing how our country’s both have such similar history- except for the lynchings of Italians (the 11 in New Orleans) Who knew?! 🤷🏼♀️
Anglos also came on ships, genius. They also built the planes you traveled on. Australia's population that were direct descendants of convicts was only around 20-25% up until the 1950s -- most of whom were just everyday settlers. The main reason they were named "convicts" was because they were sentenced for petty crimes, such as stealing food when they were hungry and borrowed small items. The legal system at that time was harsh over minor offenses. So most of the crime was not what people think it is. Also, Aboriginal skin color looks nothing like Greek or Italian skin. The only ones that have a similar complexion are the Aboriginals who are mixed-race. They are not as dark as full-blooded Aboriginals from the outback.
@@Casey2262 🫵🤣 hit a nerve did I! Sorry about the whole convict ancestry thing.. I guess I should’ve specified, we came here by will, by choice, on ships, with toilets and didn’t have to row till we died, get scurvy and sit in shit - like the convicts who were exiled did. Have a wonderful day. I love that I hit a nerve… it’s so satisfying. Bye now
@@-everythingsRosie 🤣 Yeah, the one that makes me chuckle. I can understand the xenophobia though. It must suck to be the color of light colored 'sh!t. I guess old mate Archie was right after all.
Sorry, Italians are not white we are olive? Who? A lot of italians aren't olive at all. And are between the whitest of the whites). The error is thinking that italians are all the same, they have just one southern etnicity (but even southern itlkian ethincity is nopt what you think, lot of Normans heritage people in Scily and Puglia, just to make an example).
A lot of Southern Italians like Al Pacino and Sylvester Stallone actually look Celtic, Germanic mixed with Roman. Very similar to what Robert de Niro is. According to the Spaniards, who invented the entire concept of white, Italians were definitely white because they were fellow Europeans. The English actually stole the Spaniards concept of white. Before the Spaniards invented it for their Casta system no one describe themselves as white
So what. Why are you so pressed to prove your wht-ness? It's a bizarre obsession that Anglos have poisoned the world with. It's weird and based in an insecurity. Humanity and civilization began in Africa. All humans are African immigrants anyway. The ideology of Wht-ness is weird😱
White people aren't white either, usually they are pink, grey, peach, orange in the case of one USA president... whatever, they are not white. I had an Albino day when I was at university. I saw on one particular day, at least five European Albinos, and they are really White. You should look up "The Whitest British", it's about a Pakistani family of Albinos.
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Not sure if you understand the word “Wog”, it is the British slang equivalent to the word N*66€R. Calling Italians “Wog” is just another allusion to 1 drop doctrine.
4:58 - And now the Mediterranean diet, including olive oil, fish, and garlic, is highly recommended for its nutritional benefits.
Yep! I swear by organic olive oil every day.
And yet people still want to walk in the lunch room making faces and complaining/commenting on the garlicey smell of the food....and laughing like its a joke when replied to with the nutritional benefits.
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@@bryonbiondolillo6545 Fresh Garlic is great. Stale after smell of garlic not. Don't be so delicate and offended. Be a man.
@@scaringclaring5240because the manly thing to do is to let people tell me how to eat. Extra garlic in my food this week. Plenty of garlic in the bread I baked yesterday too....aah, the aroma when warming that up makes me salivate
My grandparents moved to Australia from Calabria in the 50s and 60s. I think it's great that you've done a video on this!
That’s great to read, thanks!
Okay, but that is not you, that's your grandparents stories and lives, so you are probably going off second hand information, and also exaggerated. Memories are not that accurate.
@@Ponto-zv9vf what does that have to do with me thinking that this is a good and interesting topic to talk about?
Wow!!
What a total jerk.@@Ponto-zv9vf
Yeah in Australia we’re still considered ‘ethnics’ and ‘wogs’ even after loosely attaining some vague whiteness.
The only real Wh ites are Anglo Saxons of pure lineage.
Yeah but it’s purely because you lot didn’t found Australia you guys only migrated since the 50s and 60s
@@Bruvvvv9 And because a lot of Southern Italians are racially mixed with Middle Eastern and North African blood which is notable in their DNA and often visible in their appearances.
I was born in Malta, I don't give a flying XXXX about being White, or the opinions of a bunch of XXXXwits. Being ethnic or a Wog, as I am, isn't an insult to me. Anglo Australians are an ethnic group, and their origins are in Europe, if you consider Britain and Ireland Europe, then they are Wogs also.
@@Ponto-zv9vf Great attitude. Meanwhile, the dude above has a massive victim complex.
I love the fact that NYTN expanded overseas!
@@HowtoItaly-2004 I’m in Australia and like many other Australians we have been watching from the beginning. Wonderful videos
@@veronicalevin2325 thank you so much
Never thought anyone in Australia cared about the ethnic history of the US. @@veronicalevin2325
In about 1996 I read in a news magazine an article which quoted someone as saying that Italians were the first non-Whites accepted into Australian society. That has made me smile ever since.
My parents were born in Calabria. Until I was in my 30s I thought I was white, then I realized that my skin is sallow or reddish.
Sallow is rather old fashion and refers to a sickly complexion. I don't use the term White because it's silly. I use European. You are probably yellowish with a pink tinge, you have blood in your face and it shows through.
Italians are white, but have various complexions.
i watched the 2016 documentary "I Am Not Your Negro" late last night on tv, and thought of you and this community that you have created, again and again. i RECOMMEND this movie. i keep recommending THIS channel to acquaintances (that i THOUGHT were friends) and get 'pawned off' with statements like, "i don't care about that race stuff", "history is OVER", "that is just politics NOT genealogy"... THIS community understands that even when we disagree, i is WORTH the conversation.
Powerful stuff, Danielle!
Good morning neighbor lady, weather is getting better around here. Hope you are safe and sound!!😊😊
Good morning! We are, happy saturday!
Very good video Danielle 😊. If anyone is interested to know what the aboriginal people of Australia went through I would recommend Rabbit Proof Fence.
That is a good movie!
It is a bit propagandist. I can tell you in Alice Springs, Aboriginal women did not want their half European children, and gate them to the Missionaries to raise. Half Aborigines had no status in their society, they had no totem or skin which came from the father.
@@Ponto-zv9vfWow!!
What a total scumbag.
Loved this conversation. Now, this is a little factoid that isn’t as important as your video. I remember an article about the caffe culture in Australia that was started by Italian immigrants. Now, this was some time ago, but coffee houses were so ingrained in the Australia country that the Starbucks coffee chain wasn’t as successful as the company assumed it was going to be.
@@robertmariano that is so true. Australians have been spoiled with great coffee made by Italians, Greeks and Lebanese migrants. Thank heavens
@@robertmariano Starbucks has taken root here though. But that's mostly because of Asian immigration.
And none of that would've happened without Angelo Moriondo, who invented the Espresso machine. It's also possible he had Celtic, Germanic or Slavic ancestors since he was Northern Italian. Not Southern Italian, who were called wogs.
My Sicilian grandparents arrived in the US in 1906. I heard stories from my father (and my mother) about the terrible things people would call him. People were shocked that my white mother married him. He was a child in the Great Depression, was part of the Normandy Invasion in WWII, and worked harder than anyone I've ever known to prove himself. And he accepted a lot of employment abuse. Sadly, he distanced himself from his parents and roots and became ultra patriotic and a bit bigoted himself to try and fit in. He had no interest in exploring his roots. And so nothing was passed down to me but some recipes. But I did begin exploring my roots and the beautiful language and culture of Italy in my 30s and one day I'll visit my grandparents' villages in Italy. Your channel has helped me to understand why I was cut off from my heritage and my family's odd behavior. I am proudly half Sicilian.
If you can't beat 'em join 'em. You italians are all the same.
Good on you man!
I am not American, but I have to say that there is nothing wrong with loving the country you live in, or adopting its customs as your own. Look, what value would speaking Sicilian be anywhere other than Sicily, and Sicilian culture didn't come from Mt Sinai.
@@Ponto-zv9vf You can speak Sicillian and English. It's not mutually exclusive.
@@Ponto-zv9vfbro why all non americans want to prevent them from embracibg and valuing their ancestors
NYTN, you are inspirational to the Ancestors -Decentdents community, and I enjoy hearing your research discoveries results on our Ancestors anthropology. Thank you
In response to @obiyanko2019 , The first genocide of the Twentieth Century was carried-out by the GERMANS in Namibia in Africa from 1904 to 1908.
BS. Africans don't need help genociding.
Well before that is the genocidal atrocities of King Leopold II of Belgium in the 19th century...in the Congos
Yes @chriskewe . King Leopold ll of Belgium. Isn`t he the character who would " hunt " Black Africans ?!!
I never understood how Italians are second class citizens in the USA who are reduced to the roles of gangsters while in Europe they are admired for all their contributions and great empire.
Danielle, thanks to this video I just learned about the racism in Australia that I was never aware of. What’s even more amazing about Australia is that the British (who else!) basically took over yet another continent and pushed aside the native people living there. But didn’t they use Australia as a penal colony, to ship convicts away from their precious Great Britain?
So now these former convicts needed to feel superior to the Italian immigrants who came seeking work, prosperity, etc. You have highlighted some of these issues that happened in the USA over the past 150 years or so. So, different place, but same issue.
It’s so sad that as time passes, the “origins” of the marginalized people change, but the hate and discrimination remain the same.
And this last comment of mine may draw some hate, but if anyone who watches your videos and then just steps back and honestly assesses the information, the common element in so much of this is the white superiority complex of northern Europeans, no matter where they have migrated. Please, please, see this for what it is, and don’t try to make excuses for it.
@@RbNetEngr it was not the convicts that felt superior it was the British free settlers that were encouraged to take up the free land around 1815. There was a class distinction between the convicts and the free settlers. Convicts often married indigenous women as did the French sealers. Why is it so difficult to do some actual research. Prior to dumping convicts in Australia they were dumping them in America but that came to a halt after the War of Independence and so that’s how they started dumping them in Australia. For some reason the descendants of British convicts in America don’t have the resources to find out how their ancestors came to be there. There’s a subject that needs exploration for sure.
@@RbNetEngr my family have been multicultural since 1788, I have 15 ethnicities. My family of origin had no problem marrying into other cultures, I have a half Italian half Chinese aunty Oscar Piastri the formula 1 driver is a descendant from my aunts family of origin and I had an Albanian Muslim uncle and two of my uncle’s married aboriginal women. That’s just my mother’s side. I have 11 convicts on my father’s side, French, Irish, African and British I also have an indigenous ancestor. Are you people all living in a bubble? Australia is full of people like me. Learn your family history and get your DNA done. Absolutely what happened to the aboriginal peoples after the free settlers came in around 1815 was abhorrent but the first governor 1788 Phillip did at least try to make an effort to understand and learn from them. Kidnapping was probably not the right way to go about it. As a result he was speared as a warning and told his men not to shoot. He survived the spearing and then with that out of the way he and the spearer became friends and the indigenous community helped the first penal settlement immensely. They would not have survived without the help from the indigenous tribes. It is a very complex issue that really needs to be researched and I can’t put it all here but please do your research to get the real story.
Quite interesting. I used to know a British man who called people, “wogs”. Even today in the USA I know people who refer to Italians as, “second cousins to the ‘ens’.” I even knew a man from northern Italy who thought the southern Italians were a lesser class of people.
Southern Italians are mixed with "the darkies".
@@gazoontight wog was supposed to be equated to worthy oriental gentleman
What's an 'en' ?
@@visionaerie Think.
When I visited Australia 20 years ago I had my luggage ransacked and torn apart by customs.The customs official called a guard and demanded I be strip searchedI said why .She said I was not American .My name was NOT American .worked for an Italian American educational association I was born in NYC with an American passport I called her a racist .They let me pass .Next day I was on Australian news as a white supporter at an aboriginal demonstration.I did some research and there were some pogroms and at one the orator claimed Italians should be killed for killing Christ.Italians were clearly lumped with Greeks and Lebanese as wogs.
My grandparents came to Australia from Calabria, my grandfather in the 1920s and my grandmother in the 1940s. My grandfather worked on the sugar cane fields in Queensland for years alongside other Italians, as well as the Snowy Hydro Scheme which was another nation building project. Sadly, he was interred for a period during the war years for being an Italian. I actually visited the POW camp area he was interred in, a town called Hay in New South Wales which was confronting but an important experience for me. Italians faced a lot of hardship and discrimination, but very interestingly have become arguably the most successful case of assimilation in Australia. There are over 1 million people in Australia with Italian heritage today and Italian-Australian identity does look different for different families and areas. I actually think this history is really important for Italians in Italy today to know, and at the same time, I think it's important for Italian Americans and Italian Australians etc. to understand the history of our ancestors yet also to learn about the Italy of today, years after our ancestors left. I am actually living in Italy now and it's fascinating to see the layers of these histories from an ancient, ancestral and modern perspective. It's also kinda funny to tell them what a wog is as they don't know but everyone in Australia knows!
Wasn't there a Kingswood country episode where the resident bigot said he like Italy but it was a pity it was full of Wogs. Lex Marinos played the Wog son-in-law, he died recently. Maybe the foreigners of RUclips should try to see some episodes of Kingswood Country to see how the old, bigoted Archie Bunker type Australian male behaved in the old days.
This reminds me of the Mexican migrants coming to the US for seasonal farmwork (NOT to be confised with our current migrant situation).
Also, as a 50 year old "greasy Italian" I'd like to thank that "grease" for helping keep my skin more youthful. The "black don't crack" thing Sicilian style! ✌️❤️🙏
That moisture kept your complexion youthful.
Love your channel. You know it's said the truth always hurts !!!😊👍👍👍
Thanks for covering this
The lower classes are like that everywhere. They like to attack those who they think are weaker, in your case, because of your appearance.
My mother-in-law is Italian, and her family migrated from Southern Italy before she was born. She recently passed away, and I was talking to my son about how one of the fond memories I have is we taught her how to play The game of Risk on the tablet. She's Always loved that board game and after watching this video, I find it ironic that she kept attacking Australia.😂
Great video my grandparents where from Calabria came to Brooklyn ny in the 30s when there was mostly irish and German immigrants who tend to me light skin compared to italians there was alot of prejudice against our people thanks you showing our history
My family left Vibo Valentia, Calabria for Melbourne, Australia 1958.
Another great job Danielle. 🤓🍻
I have a close friend in Melbourne Australia who told me Greeks and Italians were referred to as the slur that starts with "w" and rhymes with dog. And my friend is Greek-Australian. They told me that at one time white Aussies used to drive around in the evenings looking for Greeks and Italians to "bash", which they did successfully fairly often. I forgot to ask which decade this took place in, I think 1960s or 70s, but maybe later. At one point, this short Greek man with a moustache drove around with a big car at night with a big chain in his trunk. I swear to God, my friend told me this is absolutely true and their whole family talked about it. But this guy would find Greeks and Italians getting bashed, and would park, pull the chain out of his trunk, and beat the feces out of the bashers, then leave. This happened enough times that everyone knew about it, but he apparently never identified himself, would just beat up the bashers and leave. My friend was telling me that they would have family discussions about the immigrant community at that time, and would say who they thought the guy was, that it could have been this guy from such and such a family, or that guy from a different family. I guess the regular bashing era had thankfully passed, and I took it it was assumed the man would be old or passed away by that point. He kind of sounds like Daredevil! Ha Ha! But that's how bad it was for those guys in Aus. I haven't heard from my friend for awhile, so haven't asked how things are now, but I've read that Aussie culture, though much more multiethnic, does still have an undercurrent of prejudice.
@@rocketreindeer I think everyone who came to Australia after the indigenous people were discriminated against by other people. Especially the convicts. Governor Phillip tried very much to maintain good relations with the indigenous peoples but he went around it by kidnapping them and trying to make them like the English. Governor Phillip ended up being speared as revenge but he chose not to retaliate. The governors that came after him were brutal however. My family must have been extremely unusual in the 1940’s as migrants were welcomed into our family as husbands and wives to my mothers brothers and sisters. Nobody blinked an eye.
@@rocketreindeer it probably depends on where you live in the country. My son in law actually got a free education to become a lawyer because of his indigenous heritage.
I am glad your friend is not mine. Greek Australians usually have a bad reputation, and from my experience it's well earned. I have never seen any ethnic group singled out as you claim. Male Homosexuals, yes, at times. I am Austraian of Southern European origins and lived in suburbs mostly peopled by immigrants, went to schools full of immigrant children and I have never been singled out to be bashed because of my looks. I think your story is an exaggeration.
@@veronicalevin2325 Well, in parts of Australia, that pro Indigenous thing gets a lot of anger because it is discrimination based on race, it's positive, but still discrimination. There is a strong undercurrent of anger in the Northern Territory where I live. You know a lot of Indigenous people are not 100% Indigenous.
If you only knew how many prejudices exist in Italy about Australians of English descent (who think they are white and better). It is well known here that many are descendants of convicts and deportees of the 18th and 19th centuries.
Thanks for this great video. My maternal grandfather came to Australia alone in 1956 at the age of 17, prior to this he had barely left the village of Ceraso (SA) where he was born, and where has family had resided for centuries. He was one of thirteen children, three of which followed him out in subsequent years. The family was very poor. He never spoke about being discriminated against in Australia because of his ethnicity or nationality, but he was very lighthearted and good natured, so I don't think that he would've recounted it even if he was, although his daughter, my mother, was treated poorly for being Italian by the teacher at the Catholic school she attended in the early 1970s, which ceased after the teacher was confronted by my grandmother. My grandfather was an extremely hard worker and was very well regarded by all who knew him. He said that he had some trouble fitting in with other Italians that he came across initially, as in his words, they "didn't speak his language", as he mainly spoke Cilentano, his regional dialect. He married my grandmother, who was a Polish refugee, in 1963 and became a citizen in 1968. Despite having started with nothing he became reasonably well off through hard work but was very modest, he owned a number of properties and ran a concreting business, retiring at the age of 80. He was very generous and would often give money to people that were struggling. He would even pay for other immigrants to bring their families over. I used to love hearing stories of his early life, and childhood back in Italy and am very proud of his legacy.
It depends how sensitive you are. I believe Bill Russell, the African American sportsman, found offense at the slightest, innocent thing as being racist. Some immigrants are hypersensitive because they are foreigners in a strange to them, country. When I was young people would say the stupidest things to me just to get me upset, some people are like that, nasty. When you move away from that environment you become like the native population, they can't tell you are ethnically different. At least that is my experience.
Danielle, could you also do a show on how Louisiana Creoles became black at some point?
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My mom's family is from Northern Italy. Her dad settled in Chicago, in the US. Some of his siblings went to Australia. We had a chance to meet his last living sibling, a brother, who had lived in Australia for forty years...and, he didn’t speak English! I mean, we couldn't communicate with him because we didn't speak Italian. At the time I assumed ( I was 13 or 14) he was practicing some form of nativism or prejudice against Australians: that he never ventured outside his own ethnicity because he felt superior. I had no idea of an anti-Italian campaign in Australia. It seems more likely that he faced so much pressure as a "non-white" that he maybe gave up trying "to assimilate." My understanding was that he had been a laborer ( I think farmer). Though we couldn't communicate with words, it was obvious he was a very sweet man.
Wonderful channel, Angela-- always interesting.
Yes, a lot of immigrants in Australia can barely speak English despite living there for half a century. It's because they all stick with their own compatriots, probably as a result of not being accepted by English speaking Australians. You can see it in the neighbourhoods all being based on ethnicity. Every suburb has a dominant ethnicity. It's a patchwork of cultures living in their different worlds, with the most sought after expensive neighbourhoods populated by Anglo Saxon and Western Europeans close to the North East scenic coast where most of the jobs are also located, so they don't have to travel much.
@@Machka-j7q It's not as bad as @Machka-j7q says. Yes some older immigrants find it hard to learn English, and in the old days there were no schools for older immigrants to learn the language. And yes, some immigrants cluster with their fellow country people. I grew up in one in Melbourne where the immigrants were Italian. However, I would say the children of the immigrants spoke English like everyone else, and they moved away. Most suburbs are quite mixed ethnically, and English is their means of communication. My parents never learnt to speak English properly, and I couldn't speak their language properly either. But my parents were integrated into Australian society.
@@Machka-j7q very interesting. And many in America want to believe there is a neutral "playing field" that allows everyone, regardless of ethnic background, to achieve worldly success. Yet we have the same "ethnic-themed" neighborhoods; and wouldn't you know it: the nicest neighborhoods are almost exclusively populated by Northern European folks. Thanks for your insight. 👍
@@Ponto-zv9vf thank you for this insight. So glad to hear that there is change. Yes, the younger generations are simply not invested in the kinds of prejudice that for too long were simply tolerated and accepted.
@@georgeknightley8828 I lived in America for 16 years and that was not the case- neighbourhoods were not divided along ethnic lines at all. Nor was it the case in Western Europe. First time I've experienced it was in Australia
It should be noted that Australia's Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, is part Italian.
Yes, but he never talks about that side, it's just of 'token' value. He doesn't look like what Italians are perceived to appear as and I bet he wouldn't be where he is today if he did look Mediterranean. The truth of the matter is, I've noticed that often the immigrants that become successful in Australia could pass as Anglo Saxon.
So it is said. Albanese means an Albanian in Italian.
@@Ponto-zv9vf But Albanians aren't more European looking than Italians.
@@Machka-j7qmaybe they "pass" as Anglos because they are White also. Yeah nobody could tell he's a wog with the name Alabanese lol maybe he doesn't talk about his background because it has nothing to do with Australia...most other PMs have English background. Do you want them to yarn on about England? 😂
@@D13Nword Some 'non-white' peoples (by Australian definition LOL) such as Italians, Greek. Lebanese, Turks, can pass for Western European. That doesn't make them from the 'White' race. Their genes are mixed, they have relatives- mothers, fathers, siblings, children- that would not pass as 'White'. The ignorance amongst you is staggering.
My grandmother was born in Australia in the late 1930s. She doesn't have any Italian heritage but still suffered from much of the discrimination against Italians due to having olive skin and dark hair inherited from a French grandfather. It's so sad to hear stories of what her and her siblings went through. My mother also experienced the discrimination but to a lesser extent.
Southern Italians have thousands of years of history behind them and their heritage comes directly from the golden age of classical Greece.
Many American stars have origins in southern Italy: Al Pacino, Robert De Niro, Leonardo DiCaprio, John Travolta, Danny DeVito, Nicolas Cage, Martin Scorsese, Francis Ford Coppola, Lady Gaga, Frank Sinatra, Jon Bon Jovi, Steven Tyler and many others.
Prejudices are simply stupid and qualify those who make them.
After the fall of the Roman Empire, Italy was divine in small kingdoms, only in 1861 Italy was reunited and this happened because the king who commanded the north invaded the south, to justify his brutal methods propaganda began to spread theories about the inferiority of southern Italians. Whoever wins writes history as it is most useful to him.
What is funny or not, even today, its the up northern italians that were matrixed in that though.
In southern valleys of piemonte, and especially in ligurian coast and native nizzardo, well. In old pics, we don't look much different as southern italians.
There was also some crossover with iberic people and stuff.
My mom looks sicilian without beign sicilian, and i have some pics from late 1800 musicians of the mountains of the ancient Contea di Nizza, Turbia, man they look like chicanos ...
Many more stars were Italian and we never knew it, especially in music: Bobby Rydell, Jimmy Darren, Fabian, Frankie Avalon, Connie Francis, Connie Stevens -- the list goes on and on and on and on. The more you look the more you find. Actual Italians like Sergio Franchi and Virna Lisi could keep their names and find success in the US, but Italian Americans weren't permitted to do that.
@@Nissardpertugiu see old pics, even Kings of Savoy look nothing different than a average Sicilian. Look at blessed Piergiorgio Frassati , a soon to be saint of Catholic church born in Turin from a rather rich family - and tell me if he looks more like Naples or Copenaghen, or Macario another icon from Turin. I could go on and on. This tale (which many Italians still believe especially in the North) is one of the unfortunate results of 19th century pseudoscience of race.
@@Nissardpertugiu Liguria was colonized by Greeks in the ancient times and the original name of Nice was Nikaia (the town of the Victory). That of Marseille was Massalia, in Greek.
However the theories about the inferiority of southern Italians came from a Sicilian: Alfredo Niceforo. Lombroso that is accused by ignorants never wrote this.
You can look for "lombroso-calabria-il-meridionalista-che-non-taspetti-e-sbagli/".
@@elleanna5869 You must stop this inferiority complex. You have stewed over it.
Besides, the Savoy royals were completely foreign-born, not Piedmontese. They were cousins many times of your Franceschiello (the last Bourbon king: his mother was a Savoy). The Piedmontese only took it out on the southerners when they suddenly arrived as emigrants in the hundreds of thousands. Which is what happens normally everywhere. Before that, no one said anything serious. I would have liked to see what happened if hundreds of thousands of poors Piedmontese had arrived in Sicily.
My family arrived in Australia from Italy in 1970 and what you presented was still going on. Now the ‘anglo Australians’ have amnesia about it all and are all in for coffee, pizza and alfresco dining that the hard working Italians introduced.
Good hate them all you want now and after you are minoritized by and ruled by the lovely South Asians and Africans that are now flooding your country. Thanks of course to lovely liberal leftwing Australian women of ALL colors and Non-colors (whatever racist term of description that is your preference), like yourself, I'm sure. These lovely newcomers have built lovely civililzed safe nations for women to walk alone unaccompanied. Oh, sorry, I forgot being with her husband didn't save the Brazilian-Spanish woman from her fate in India.
did they ask for you to come, thats the problem, no one ever asked the US or Austrailia or any other "white" country if they wanted any of these people, the same with slavery, only 3% of the wealthiest colonist owned slaves, mainly of Jewish decent so again do they get a choice in any of this, they have not had that choice for about 100 years now, look at the border, the country is minority white now, they lie about the numbers.
They east Pad Thai, Nasi Goreng, Sushi, Naan... I don't think it proves anything. 1970 is 54 years ago, enough time to let go.
I'm Italian of Italy and I don't know what is the "alfresco" dining. Perhaps it means “al fresco”? That is, in the evening, under an arbor or in a garden? I imagine an outdoor dining. However "alfresco" is an error.
Well since the Sudanese arrived the Italians seem quite white
good lesson.
The 500 plus years of this kind of thinking coming out of Europe has been a scourge of the earth. It will be great to see this end once and for all. 😔😔
seems there is a major pattern, wherever the cross and its followers land soon poverty, destruction, and hate, follows.
@@krono5el Blasphemy.
@@krono5el fantasy
I agree, Jeffrey!
@@krono5el then why is it that so many people from non christian countries are risking their lives fleeing them non christian countries to predominantly white Christian countries? People with your level of ignorance are the problem. So many muslim countries...yet so many muslims fleeing to europe, Australia, canada, USA and etc..
Same with the Chinese..they have China and its Non religious communist government yet so many chinese fleeing. India has their Hinduism and islam and other religions yet their people want to be in the white christian countries. Israel has judaism yet so many israelis seemed to rather live in a predominantly white christian country.
People (like you) hate Christians and hate people of white European descent yet literally build makeshift rafts and try sailing across oceans just to be with them. Notice how there arent droves of white christians wanting to live in Islamic countries, Buddhist countries, Hindu countries, atheistic Communist countries, Jewish countries...etc
Ashkenazim and Sephardim were treated exactly like Italians in Australia. They were called the same racist names. Italians and European Jews both lived in the Melbourne suburb of Carlton and worked side by side in the same textile factories. Many became part of the labor movement and the socialist left in Melbourne.
The Jews were MUCH better off living in Australia than in Pogrom-ridden Eastern and Central Europe !!
@@Percept2024Why don’t you actually speak to some Jewish people who came to Australia at the time buddy!
Sure they were better off in Australia than in Central and Eastern Europe, but that doesn’t excuse the racism that any non Northern European Protestants experienced in Australia.
Although my family went to the USA, I have direct relatives who went to Australia. They were told to go back to where they came from. They were derided for having olive skin, dark hair, and for not being WASPS.
The prime minister Robert Menzies admired Hitler. Australia was founded on genocide and wanted to be a WASP bastion in the Southwest Pacific. The first act of Federation in 1901 was the white Australia policy. The racist policies in Australia were based on Protestant Nordicism, therefore along with people from Asia, Africa, South America, Central America, Mexico, and the Pacific, Ashkenazim, Sephardim, Italians, Spaniards, Catalans, Portuguese, Greeks, Maltese, Maltese, Albanians, Slavs, and Magyarok were not welcome in Australia.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it buddy!
How long ago is that? Carlton and parts of Brunswick had European Ashkenazi Jews who left Europe in the post WW2 years. It was the English speaking Jews living in the eastern suburbs that did not want to associate with them because they were foreign and spoke Yiddish. There used to be a synagogue in Lygon Street which they sold to the Italians living in Carlton.
@@Ponto-zv9vf That goes back to the 1930’s and 1940’s.
There was a Jewish cultural center in Lygon Street Carlton North called Kadimah (advance) which was a popular hang out for Communist Party members and artists like Yosl Bergner. Bergner was a social realist artist who came from Vienna. He empathized with the plight of the Indigenous people and advocated for them in his art. He worked with artists such as Noel Counihan and Vic O’Connor. At the same time Indigenous activist William Cooper lead a march from Footscray to downtown Melbourne protesting Hitler and fascism. Cooper linked the plight of European Jewry to the plight of his own people. The CPA took up the cause of land rights. Bergner also advocated for land rights.
Other famous Jews in Carlton were Judah Waten, and Pinchas Goldhar. Goldhar wrote the book Goldeneh Medina (land of gold). Australia was referred to the Goldeneh Medina.
There was also a shule in Lord Street Brunswick East. A cousin of mine sent me a photo of the house that was once the shule. Many Ashkenazim worked alongside Italians in the Brunswick textile mills.
@@Seahorse20 oy vey...have to make yourself a victim everywhere?
Fun fact Australia’s biggest sport is Cricket,their greatest player Sir Donald Bradman great grandfather was born in Italy
Lol reaching with great grandfather and he was from the north of italy, which is completely different to a Southern Italain.
@@martinsanchez4827 what a racist remark, yea they closer to Eskimos then northerners,have you even ever been in Italia? Our only difference is the accent,just like theUSA ,stop stereotyping US ,you watch way too many Hollywood movies mate! Dum uneducated comment,or maybe you’re right yea you’re right they are different they live in the north and we live in the south ,we are completely different
Good video, but I think your American worldview colours your interpretation of Australia's ethnic landscape. I grew up in Gippsland and am Anglo-Celtic Aussie, and we had one of the highest proportions of Italian, Greek and (then) Yugoslav immigration, and they mostly arrived post-war when the power station was being built and our agricultural sector was kicking of. The Italians were renowned for buying cheap land and making it fertile. We called them "wogs" which was a term of derision but they came to own it. To give you an indication, we were a relatively small rural area but had our own National Soccer League team funded by wealthy Italians and Greeks. To this day the term "Aussie" is still an ethnic term to refer to Anglo-Celts, but other groups use it too. We also had a lot of indigenous "blackfella" settlements dotted around. This emphasis on people being "white" visavis black or brown was not really a thing, except for the blackfellas. We were different ethnic groups with different identities and cultural practices, but we were close enough that by my generation we didn't really think too much of it, I think largely because the "woggy" accent was barely noticeable, but the differences were always there and we tended to marry within our own groups. Frankly I think the whole notion of "white" is nonsense and lacks so much nuance that it shouldn't even really be used in a serious conversation about these issues. You yanks are so much more obsessed with white vs black than we are, but it is ofcourse a different situation.
I have a question for you. How many biracial children born in the 60s were placed in foster homes due to biracial marriages being illegal? I have a feeling like the native Americans that children were taken from there families and placed in foster homes.
This should be your next project. I don't believe in DNA because it's unproven science. It's too soon.
In Australia or the US? I know a lot of biracial (half African, Caribbean, half Anglo Americans, Scandinavians etc) people born in the 60s in the US and they were never placed in foster homes etc. I think that was in some backwards Southern states of the US. In Australia, Indigenous people were not considered human until 1967. They were counted as 'fauna and flora'.
@@Machka-j7q no they weren't lol you're uneducated...basically terra nulius said there was no existing law and there was only fauna and flora...it never said they weren't human...
@@D13Nword Yes, they were. I'm not talking about terra nullius, which means 'land belonging to nobody'. Counting people as 'fauna' and not in an official census of humans implies they are not considered people.
Often not ‘placed’ but forced by parents, clergy and social workers.
According to an old English saying, "The Wogs begin at Calais".
Yes that is what my first girlfriend told me. She was Anglo Australian, I was Maltese Australian. She also said, Catholics always build on a hill, for defence. She was Protestant, I was Catholic.
Alot of Italians forget that when the Roman Empire fell , most of them scattered to other parts of Italy or to other countries. Like most Countries Italy is one small part of this crazy world. My Grandparents came to Victoria Australia late 40s , My father went to school as his siblings did until they couldn't to work on the land then all the new generations of Sons and Daughters came along . Growing up in Melbourne Australia was great and sometimes challenging with the already established English , Irish , Scottish Australian's. When it got tough we just fixed the problems , however means was nessasry. Today looking back I'm glad my Grandfather chose Victoria to settle. Oh by the way Growing up we where just as white as the average Australian , maybe slightly Olive .
It wasn't "saying the quiet part out loud". Back then those beliefs were bellowed very much at the top of their lungs.
Australia had many cultures on the First Fleet in 1788, including Afghans, escaped slaves, Jews etc. I think they mostly got along with and married each other until free settlers moved to Australia in 1840’s. My own family are descendants of these very people. My mothers sister married an Albanian Muslim just after the war, my mothers brother married a half Chinese (Australian Gold Rush Descendant) half Italian woman. Her 2 brothers married aboriginal women. I have a few Irish 4th great grandmothers who married Protestant men with no problems and yet Irish were considered lowest of the low later in almost all societies across the world. Most Australians today would be an incredibly diverse population if they tested their DNA. I have 15 different ethnicities. I think a lot of secrets were kept. I think you have to take into account that we had different waves of migration and the more English people who flooded in the more racist our society became. If you came in the beginning I think there was more tolerance because they were all considered to be filthy convicts even if they were English, so were on equal footing. Australia has been multi cultural since the first ship sailed in. During World War One my German great grandfather was put in a detention camp as a spy even though his sons were in the Australian army fighting overseas, and during World War Two my grandfather hid Italian and German citizens on his farm to prevent them being taken to detention camps. These people owned their own farms but were unjustly targeted. Speaking of Southern Italians, our friend who has Italian born parents did her DNA and came back as 25% North African with very close matches in Israel and with Jews in other countries and she knew nothing about this. So there must have been some Sephardic Jews passing for Italians in Italy. It has to be great grandparents but her family deny any knowledge of it. All I can say is where would I be without my coffee today. Also ethnic migrants worked much harder than the English ones. I wish everyone would have their DNA done.
Italians have fenician DNA.
@@Antonio_DG they also have a lot of middle eastern DNA, the Jews were taken as slaves to Rome 2000 years ago and after 1492 Sephardi Jews escaped from Spain and Portugal during the inquisition all over the southern Mediterranean and North Africa and south even to West Africa marrying and converting local women. My maternal Haplogroup is African my branch is L1b1a which migrated to Morocco. In Italy some Jews married Italian women and some Jewish women married Italian men and converted to Catholicism. I have 7% Italian. There has been some very interesting DNA studies done on southern Italians. Most Ashkenazi Jews have southern Italian DNA
There are people who refuse to get dna tests done because of what they might find. That's sad. But, it's also why vids like these get flagged.
@@Antonio_DGCan you read? And understand did you read all of what they wrote. 25%North African. Israel....? Totally don't get what is being looked for.?
Unfortunately racists often say the DNA test is lying. My brother's father in law probably had a NPE event. He was born near the Mexican border in the USA to two white parents. But his DNA came back 20% Native and 30% Spanish. His other family members who got tested don't have Native or Spanish DNA. Unfortunately this knowledge didn't change his racist remarks about Mexicans.
I read that Italian internment in Australia was worse than Italian internment in the USA during the second world war. In the United States of America, just as you said about Australia in this podcast, Italians were considered not completely White, and therefore part Black, because some of them had a darker complexion than the average northern European descendant in America. Hence, the derogatory ethnic slur against Italians, “Guinea,” which refers to a place where most people are dark skinned. Also, while mostly Blacks were lynched in USA history, there are 50 documented cases of Italians being lynched in states, including Mississippi, Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana, Chicago, Washington, Arizona, Colorado and NY. In one situation, Italian storekeepers waited on Black customers before serving the White customers. The White customers and their friends returned to the store and lynched the Italian storekeepers and two, Italian customers who happened to be in the store at the time.
Why does it matter to you? I have used publicly available dna programs, and they show that there is sub Saharan ancestry among Southern Italians, it's very tiny, but it's there. The Muslims went they controlled Sicily and affected the southern parts of Italy and the island of Sardinia, had Black Africans among their number. However in Sicily and Southern Italy, there is minor North African ancestry that is Berber ancestry. But again, so what.
No. There was Italian, German and Japanese internment. Nothing to do with there skin tones, it was that they were on the wrong side in the war.
North Africans and Arabs invaded and slave raided southern Italy from the time of ancient Egypt to the 19th century; these acts started long before the Muslims existed. This particular podcast is about how Italians were treated and identified in the history of Australia. My intention was to add related information to it. What matters to me is my business.
@@Ponto-zv9vf This podcast is about Italians, not Germans and Japanese. They should not have interned anyone who was a citizen of their country, neither Italian, Japanese nor German. With some people who had the power to make these decisions, it may have had something to do with their skin tones in some cases.
I work with ecosystems, diversity, and "invasive species". the parallels between them and people migrating are basically the same. The main difference is perspective. Is your view from the established ecosystem (or society) or the others entering it. Whether diversity is good or bad depends on who it impacts
A lot of people work to control or eliminate foreign plants, insects, animals, diseases from ecosystems that the people choose to deem valuable. This is viewed as being a "good thing"
But if a society tries to do the same, it receives a negative reaction.
The introduction of something (or someone) new will shift the balance.
Diversity is in the eye of the beholder. Things that are different are not the same
The start of a discussion
I have always heard Italians say Im not white Im italian . I used to think what does that mean? I really enjoy this channel
F1 drivers Oscar Piastri and Daniel Riccardio are Italio-Australians but anyhow like US in Australia whether you were white or not was based on whether you were Protestant or not. Given the fact Italians were overwhelming Catholic they were seen as non-white.
One of those Italo Australians cannot pronounce his Italian surname properly.
@@Ponto-zv9vf because neither are Italian
You should watch the documentary " Black US soldiers in Australia WW2 "
It shows how at first they weren't allowed to disembark on to Australian soil,
to interracial dating in Australia, also how complaints were made about how
the U.S army treated them.
I’m Australian of British heritage and I can’t help but thinking that Australia’s White Australia Policy was at least in part an (un)conscious reaction to the suppression of the Indigenous population who were said to be “dying out” (spoiler alert - they didn’t and remain to this day as an indictment on the illegal appropriation of their land). When the Italians and Greek immigrants arrived post WW2 they were othered, and then overtime embraced to the point they have become an intrinsic part of modern Australian culture (bringing among other things: good coffee and a more diverse cuisine). Similarly in the 1970s and 1980s there was resistance against Asian immigration, which population now has also largely become beloved. Currently our Middle Eastern and Muslim Australians are being put through the same baptism of fire - prejudice and fear of the other.
When I got to Australia in the 1980s, I saw a polyglot nation. I ate at an Italian restaurant run by Chinese. I saw Nordic blondes and very dark skinned Africans and Indians. I felt at home. If I did not have a wife back in the US; I would have stayed. I didn't know Oz had the same demons as the USA. I gues my ancestors got mistreated everywhere they went. My mothers parents came from Italy in the early 1900s. Two of my grandmother's brothers went of to WWI to serve their new nation. One got gassed for his patriotism and had lung issues the rest of his life. They were beaten by scabs and the police for they to unionize the coal mines. My family left Italy because there was no future. Only subsistance farming and poverty. They wanted those American streets paved with gold. As for skin color my mother noted on more than one occasion that she was as dark as a black persin when she spent time in the sun. Yes, that was true.
These beliefs were prevalent from the early 19th century to nearly the mid 20th century everywhere in Europe and North America-and their colonies.
This video is referring to the time of the post WW2 immigration boom, and also to back more than 100 years ago. In those times the quite pale Irish Australians were not accepted, couldn't get work in some industries and firms because they were Irish Catholic. There was a lot of enmity over WW1 conscription which an Irish born priest in Melbourne opposed. Archbishop Mannix. Now if Irish weren't accepted, how do you think Italians who didn't speak English, ate strange foods, dressed differently, and had a darker appearance would fare back in those days.
@@Ponto-zv9vf
You mean pre WWI immigration boom and the Irish Catholics couldn't get work because the firms were Protestant. By the end of WWII while there was stillnsome prejudice Irish Catholics were generally accepted back then.
Italians were still getting some heavy prejudice in part due to the war (WWII) that recently ended, but even then it wasn't as bad as it was during the turn of the 20th century
Please go a watch an Australian film made in the 60's titled ' They're a weird Mob ' a comic and warm depiction of a lone Italian immigrant who arrived in Sydney
thank you!
It's a bit old, and stereotypical of Australians especially the drinking in pubs. I would watch it just to see the old actors, not the subject of the film itself.
Olives come in Brown, black and green. So when people say they are olive, are the saying they are green? If they are not black or brown?
No, it's referring to the oil from an olive with slightly yellow undertones.
As much hate and discrimination I feel for being "white" these days my Sicilian side wasn't offended by the articles. What I did find funny was them saying Italians being greasy. I remember growing up on the 70s and 80s people would talk about black people having grease in their hair. My mom refused to put any oil in her hair but the truth is we need it and my hair would be a mess if I don't leave conditioner or oil in my hair.
Shout out to Daniel Ricciardo
Why? He doesn't pronounce his surname properly.
@@tarikviaer-mcclymont5762 great AUSTRALIAN f1 driver.
They are Iberian and have Semitic roots by way of the Ottoman Empire. They weren’t white in the founding years of USA and they are not now. There were signs that said no “Italians” among other races pertaining to rent and employment.
Funny because it was Iberians who invented the entire notion of whiteness with the Casta system. And guess who are the purest and oldest of all Europeans: ..the Basques of North Spain
Do you consider the French as White?
All the way to the mid 1900's and even beyond the early historians tend to base a mutual relation between Amorites of Asia & Palestinian Amorites. The Roman concept of Amorica is the same portrait that the Ancient Babylonian & Egyptian accounts attest to of their own captives which were the Palestinian Amorites which were not related to the Babylonians that began to inhabit Italy between 3c. BCE - 3c CE. many of which adopted Greek names rather than of the distinct Roma culture of Italy that became a minority themselves before the surge of religious dogma. According to the modern definition Muslims are Hebrews or Semitic without Issac & Jacob... and without those descendants there's no hope for Israel.
In the fourties and fifties there had been a little war you know WW2. Italy was one of the enemies, thousands of young Australian men died. They weren't to happy about Welsh, Cornish, or Germans before WW1. One of my Grandfathers was full blood gypsy, one Cornish. Both had very successful lives. Perhaps you could do a piece on being different under socialism or being the wrong group in the middle east or Africa.
And today it's the Haitians are eating the dogs and cats...meanwhile they are legal and were invited in by the business owners of Springfield Ohio to fill the labor shortage..
@@poemandres I’m shaking my head. It is bizarre that we can’t come together as one world
I'm Greek and we came to Australia in the mid 1950's. I remember those days well. If it wasn't for the Greeks and Romans the rest of Europe would still be living in huts and Hillforts!!!
😎👏👏👏👏👏👏
It's true though, Greeks and Roman were very influential, but that was 2000 years ago. But some how you needed to convict Anglos to live in a prosperous country. Its actually embarrassing that mudhut Anglos some how created these countries that people dream to live in.
Danielle, can you do a video about albanians and whiteness in America?
About twenty years ago, I went to Melbourne to visit my sister. We went to an exhibit on the Italian immigrants to Australia. There were things that reminded us of our Italian relatives in New York. There was a funny story that an Italian immigrant woman told. Because Australian did not have birth control, she and her husband brought a suitcase full of condoms. When they went through customs the suitcase broke open and the Australian customs official gave them a disparaging look.
What are you saying? Condoms are older than Casanova, they were available in Australia, and the contraceptive pill was around in the 1960s.
@@Ponto-zv9vf Australia, like the United States, did not allow contraceptives. It was considered an offense to God.
It's kind of the same for Northwest Spaniards. Irish consider us their cousins and send us love. Americans of Irish descent get really mad and claim they have absolutely no hispano blood. In fact people from Ireland considers Northwest Spaniards more of their family than people in the Americas of Irish descent. It seems like people who move abroad like to the USA, LATAM, and Australia get racist all of a sudden and probably insecure about their Europeaness. I noticed that people who move abroad or castizos are more racist than the actual people in Europe
That is kind of strange. It is well known that Galicians have the most North African ancestry of all the Spanish. I am not saying that to denigrate the Galicians, it is just fact. I was born in Europe, and consider myself to be European racially, but it doesn't mean anything more than that. In Europe, the Italians don't really care what anyone who is not Italian thinks of them. It's the Italo Americans who care about how others see them as White people. Italians just laugh, it's not important to them at all.
@@Ponto-zv9vfBeing Iberian myself NO IT'S NOT WELL KNOWN but some sort of internet hoax where the uneducated ran away with it since they have moro genes where moors ruled in Andulucia and are resentful of Galicia's and Asturia's Europeaness and CELTIC ROOTS. Just look at the typical Galician and then compare them to Andulucians who are so dark and not very European looking.
@@Ponto-zv9vf Honey, I am not Galician and obviously you don't know anything about Spain or Europe if you didn't know what Asturias is. That's a lie that you are spreading because you have Andulucian or MENA DNA. South Spain is very MOORISH AND PRACTICALLY ON TOP OF AFRICA unlike the Northwest that is remote and isolated because of the mountains. That is Iberian history 101. There are papers about the lack of diversity of the North of Spain including the Basques who are related to us and are the purest and oldest of all Europeans. Everyone in Europe knows that Galicia is CELTIC and get invited to the NYC St Patricks Day Parade and are celtic nations unlike the others.
North Spain has 0% MENA Admixture
South Spain has 75%
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@@Ponto-zv9vfGalician don't have Mena DNA and I'm not Galician Hun but Asturian, which you don't seem to be familiar with at all
10:14 Southern Italians do have African ancestry, this is not "pseudoscience"
News Flash we all do...
@@poemandres "Out of Africa theory" has been debunked.
@@adamscott217 it has not clown, your Y-DNA goes back to the San Tribe of Africa...if not prove it to me test your Y-DNA and tell me your results...
@@adamscott217Debunked by who? Source
black african ancestry is negligible in all of Europe including the south
To create olive color you must start mixing brown lol. 💯 i love the Italian Diaspora BTW from Argentina to Brazil to Canada to Tunisia to Australia. 🇮🇹✌🏼🇺🇸 Sicily is only 65 miles from N.Africa.
@@chrisventura1881 exactly
North African admix in Sicily is only around 5%. Black admix is negligible
@pequerobles actually not true I've seen people and a famous rapper from Napoli w even more. Was like %20. His name Luche check it out.
@@chrisventura1881 maybe he is a 1/4 Algerian or something...
The North African contribution to the Sicilian gene pool is estimated to be around 6%...Read up about it on peer reviewed up to date genetic studies
@pequerobles he's not he's %100 Neopolitan. Just type in Luche DNA test. He a famous rapper. I've seen other say %13-20. Maybe there's a discrepancy w the DNA companies. They also say middle eastern which encompasses a large area that includes N.Africa
You are right, it really is not that long ago, well within living memory. What joins the US and Australia in this respect is the Northern European and in particular British attitude to whiteness. These attitudes were very prevalent in Britain. As a child of ambiguous origins I encountered all of the negative you mentioned from your sources during the 1950s, sometimes applied to me or my family. It was applied equally to people of Spanish heritage too, not just Italian. I have no idea of the jargon in other Northern European countries, but it is notable in English speaking nations the language was identical.
What I find so flabbergasting about this is that at the same time there was wholesale appropriation of Mediterranean cultures as the noble lineage of ‘white’ culture stretching right back to the Egyptians! Yet the people of the Mediterranean nations were all equally despised to the degree that it got carried to new world nations and was firmly embedded there.
What actually changed things in Australia was when the whites only policies were relaxed and much darker skinned peoples were allowed in, even though at first some of them were culturally European and were vetted for being fairer skinned. Of course they did relax on the latter over time, but afaik some of the attitudes persist, as they do among other ex-colonial populations, notably white South Africans. The ‘dirty’ epithet was often bandied around too. Thank goodness the vast majority of people have grown past those times.
You do understand these ideas originated in Europe? The brown skinned child in me that could never understand any of this tried very hard to get it to make some sense, but the old person I grew into never did! I do think though that it bears examining and discussion, and a thorough debunking for the nonsense it always was.
Italian migrants were often let in because they knew about agriculture, could farm things other than livestock, and would work cheaper than anyone else, in order to survive.
The British are rather insular, it is an island they live on. The reason Brexit occurred was that the older Brits couldn't cope with the EU citizens coming over in large numbers, people from Poland in particular who aren't exactly known to be dark but quite light. Islanders are like that, sensitive about being overrun. It isn't skin tone, it's foreignness. Skin tone is a USA obsession because of slavery, the redskins and the Mexicans. There was a lot of rubbish written about President Lincoln because of his not so light skin tone.
@@Ponto-zv9vf lol, I am British, and Brexit was nothing to do with anything other than toxic politics and xenophobia. I have also lived on other Islands that are not xenophobic so your generalisation does not bear weight. Furthermore Britain had a massive empire and was not divorced from the rest of the world. However there were people who believed that the EU was the reason we had immigration of darker skinned people. Funnily enough we now have massively increased immigration of the same kind but not via the EU, but as a result of trade deals done as a result of Brexit. A lot of people now regret the whole thing including many different types of specialist workers. We have lost millions of well educated trained EU citizens from our workforce so a lot of things no longer work well. If the referendum vote were run now it would utterly fail to win support for leaving. Any malcontent is absolutely about skin colour there is a constant drone about how white people are going to disappear. The older people are noutnot as insular as you might think, the largest growing demographic is mixed origin, and there are millions of nannas and granddads who have mixed origin grandkids they adore. It is generally a particular type of fifty something and possibly their offspring who drive xenophobia, not very successfully, it must be said. The bigger issue people have is bad mismanagement of the country resulting in disgruntled people who feel we cannot afford an increase in population.
So many Calabrians in Australia 🇦🇺
It’s funny how you always mention south Italians when in fact north east were right there and did not mix with the British at that time my uncle cut cane for two years to pay for his voyage from veneto btw not all south are olive skinned I was just in Italy and seen more pale than olive in lazio and campagnia
Carissimo, stai parlando con gente che ha problemi razziali negli USA. Quindi, è inutile che gliela racconti. Questa ragazza ha abbracciato la via del lamento e del piagnucolio, che va tanto di moda nelle Università americane. In realtà, ovunque si emigri e chiunque lo faccia, si è sempre colpiti dalle peggiori accuse da parte della comunità dominante. La storia della pelle oliva l'hanno inventata gli americani, perché in America del Nord gli italiani si sono mischiati con gente di tutte le origini (gli italiani hanno seguito il cuore e non hanno avuto la cattiveria di altri popoli), ma i discendenti continuano a dire che sono italiani, anche se hanno acquisito un tono di pelle diverso (il che è assolutamente irrilevante). Sinceramente, possono dire ciò che vogliono. Certamente, per uno studioso, trasferire la propria esperienza personale sullo studio di altre terre è estremamente dannoso e poco scientifico.
Come lo sarebbe cercarsi solo gli esperti che dicano le cose che piacciano a noi "a priori".
Olive in Australia means not having a complexion the same as stereotypical Swedes, being more yellowish. Most Northern Italians look Mediterranean, it's only a minority that look more Central European in complexion and few have a Northern European complexion even in the German speaking parts of Italy.
@@Ponto-zv9vf Ahahahahaha. The Mediterranean complexion doesn't exist. Each part of the Mediterranean has a different complexion. Like each part of the Northern Europe. In Italy each family has a different prevalent complexion, in the same place. And in the same family could have blond, dark hairs and blue or dark eyes, in different persons.
What is truly different between Italians and Swedes is the shape of the nose and the average height, not the color of the skin, but is the same difference between a (in your opinion) stereotypical Italian and a Moroccan. The last are taller and their hairs are very very different.
I had lunch with a Swedish family the other week, and their skin was the same as that of my countrymen (indeed, my sister, who unfortunately has already died, had it more transparent than theirs).
In Australia you have problems without knowing it.
Danielle just a word of warning there is a term you’re using in this video that starts with “Anglo”. I wouldn’t think it would be a problem normally but you have had Russians on the channel. They use the term almost like a slur think “Yankee” and “Anglo’s” don’t like it. So just be mindful of words and the political climate we are in.
It's not an insult.
There is absolutely nothing offensive about the term Anglo Saxon! It's like saying Mediterranean, or Celtic, or Sub Saharan African. OTOH, Australians most definitely use the word Yankee as a slur against any American, who they feel very superior to, for reasons still unclear to me. Another word they use is septic tank or sepo (get it? yank rhymes with septic tank which means toilet). Charming people
Something that bothers me, as an Australian of Southern Italian descent, is how this assimilation to whiteness and "Australian-ness" is rarely connected, in our communities, to why racism is unconscionable and, also, ridiculous! If only Southern Italian descendants would learn our history (including of the unification of Italy and its legacy, and the homogenising force of fascism), and be in solidarity with other racialised groups--against white supremacy--rather than clinging to a seductive but essentially morally corrupting superiority complex that's used against current immigrants and Indigenous peoples.
Olives are primarily green or black. The notion of pink olives is unfounded. It's essential to acknowledge Italy's complex history, including the immigration of Italian and the Roman replacement of the Etruscan civilization. While Italian culture is remarkable, it's crucial to recognize the indigenous peoples. Roman colonization of Italy involved establishing fortified colonies on the Palatine Hill. Unfortunately, prejudices persist, hindering unbiased and honest discussions.
Interestingly, she objects to southern Italians being perceived as non-Italian due to African genetic heritage, but is puzzled by the unique ethnogenic origins of Native Black Americans in the United States.
Olive skin is a human skin tone. It is often associated with pigmentation in the Type III to Type IV and Type V ranges of the Fitzpatrick scale. It generally refers to moderate or lighter tan or brownish skin, and it is often described as having tan, brown, cream, greenish, yellowish, or golden undertones. Wikipedia
Yes, olives do come in green, dark red and black and all olives are actually said to be black olives with different shades as they ripen to black. The green olives are young and unripened while the red and black are ripe olives. The red and black olives look more like complexions of black people. Also you are correct about the Etruscans being there prior to the ROMANce people, they also had a bit of a different diet than those who came later, there were some similarities, but also many differences.
That is because Native Americans are not Black.
Greek olives are brown! What planet are you from?
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You should be asking yourself what planet you are from, as you clearly didn’t read and the Greek olives are actually a reddish color. All that’s mentioned in the post if you read. Also people were speaking of Italians not Greeks.
I often mistake Italians in America for mixed race or Hispanic as well as middle eastern
How?
Somebody like Fauci looks nothing like a Hispanic… 😂
They probably are actually mixed
Easily explained. Look at 'Mysteries of Neolithic Europe' by Study of Antiquity and the Middle Ages. There is a beautiful (I mean visually 'sharp' compared to others, that have some unreadable) map of the spreading of Neolithic farming, and the inhabitants of the mediterranean 'score' high in anatolian farming ancestry (so do the Irish, a reason to also call them 'dark' from a northern / Baltic Sea-Inhabitants perspective), for details on the today percentage of Anatolian Farmer-genes in today Europeans watch videos by Reich and Krause.
Mind: Northern Africa is always missing in these Neolithic-spread-maps, but it should be included, because these migrations happended not only by feet, people cutting up forests for gaining space for fields and building houses and needing fire- & pottery-oven-wood, spreading field by field, house by house slowly generation by generation, but also partly much quicker by boats along the coast. And Northern Africa is famous for having produced most of the grains of the Roman Empire, but this farming goes a long way back.
(Well, canoe-building is something that already happened in grand style during the Mesolithic, the Mesolithic HG's developing a great taste for fish and seafood and spreading along the coasts and rivers. But raft building is much older, that must go back at least to 58.000 years BP.)
Well, you are showing the world that you are not that bright, or have extremely bad eye sight.
@@masterjunky863 You mean she is actually seeing Hispanics, and other mixed types and thinking they are Italian? In Australia quite a lot of non Europeans from the Middle East and West Asia pass themselves off as Italians. Don't know why?
Do you got any Greek in you?
Yes 😊
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The British definition of white is very specific. If you didn't look like them or fit their definition, you were suspect. I have Middle Eastern cousins who still have issues in England. Any country the Brits colonized or had early settlers were subjected to these definitions.
It isn't about skin color as you indicate. It's about foreignness, looking different. Even Poles who are light skinned but foreign had problems in the UK, and pushed the British to leave the E.U.
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This behavior still exists, it's is just kept quiet and behind our backs.
Wow, I was unaware of this but not surprised given Australia's problematic history,, as Europeans settled there. As I've stated before it's hard to find any place on earth, where there isn't disenfranchisement and mistreatment of others. Thank you for sharing these historical facts.
It isn't as bad as you think. I am Southern European, I am not blond or blue eyed, I have had nothing to rail about. In Australia if you come across as an open person about Australia and Australians, understand the the way Australians use English, how they joke, satire, and don't go around with your head up your rear end, you'll be fine. Arrogant foreigners are not appreciated. Our history has a lot of blemishes, we started off as a penal colony of Britain, exterminated some of our indigenous, had a Restrictive Immigration Policy aka White Australia, brought people from the Pacific Islands to grow sugarcane, but we are a young country, and we have learnt from our past.
This is happening now in this country to divide and conquered the human race, it's an old playbook but it works thank you for sharing historical hard truthful facts 👏🏻...!
I have never seen so many racist comments under one video. Thanks guys: now we will know how to treat Australians in Italy. :-) Prevention is better than cure.
"Became" white? Mediterranean Europeans in Australia who look swarthy are still not considered "white". I know that is contentious to say. This is in practice proven true in police suspect profiles. The term "Caucasian" means "Nordic". The term "Of Mediterranean or Middle Eastern Appearance" can be applied to anyone who looks Southern European, Western Asian or North African. Hence, they're all lumped into the same category.
Honey my family is Southern European and we look nothing like Middle Eastern people. In fact some people even thought my dad looked like the Swedish actor Stellan Skarsgard from the film Anita or Emilio Estevez who is also part Iberian.
European is not a race. Neither is white its a color. People in Italy range from all colors. From dark to light. Europe is a continent not a race, its where the person is from is what he or she should be called not a continent as it just shows your ignorance and also you calling people white which is a color.
@@asturiasceltic3183I am aware Southern Europeans can be "white looking ", and different shades and hues. There are also Levantine Arabs, Turks and Persians who phenotypically look "white" in appearance. I am not contending that all South Euros are swarthy, I am merely talking about "Australian Standards ". Those that look dark are often seen as ethnic looking. The so called "Mediterranean Race" is found all around the Mediterranean.
I have known white looking Southern Italians who had Middle Eastern and North African admixture showing on their 23andMe DNA tests despite their phenotype.
I have no opinion on the matter, but Aussies are known for being nordicists. Like I said police suspect profiles in Australia would only identify Southern Europeans as "Caucasian " if they look indistinguishable from fair Northern Europeans, which, despite stereotypes, there are many that do.
On the other hand there are Italians like Luke Pasqualino who looks Indian and Pauli Malignaggi who looks Arab (Google them).
Would they consider British people like Tom Ellis and Mr Bean and Germans like Goebbels and Hess as White? They all look Mediterranean and are ethnic Central/Northern Europeans
Why use swarthy? Only bigots use swarthy to describe anyone who cannot pass as a Viking in pigmentation. And who cares what those people think? Maybe you don't know, but there are quite a few Anglo Australians who can pass as Mediterranean European, when I was young those Australians were called Darkie.
People get mad about this stuff
@@juliuscesar4176 why?
Well, this is a topic that brings out the stirrers, the ones who thrive on mischief, trolls today. I am Southern European, Australian, lived in the post WW2 days and I didn't experience that many problems. Nothing that couldn't be laughed off. I will tell you how isolated Australia was back then, no TV, no international news sources, when I started prep grade called bubs (babies), I heard war songs, sung by my fellow school students. Who won the war in 1945. we won the war in 1945 and Hitler had only one brass ball, Himmler had two but small, but poor old Joeballs had none at all... I started school quite a while after WW2 ended.
So if Italians are "tainted" with black blood, and are not "white," (whatever that means) I'm sure Australians wouldn't have any issues if movies about Leonardo Da Vinci, Michelangelo, Marco Polo, Galileo, not to mention the Romans like Caesar, were to be portrayed by black men. 😄😄😄
those are northern italians, and there is a big "difference" between them. (Im southern italian ancestry so ive heard it all )
@@nytn True. But whether northern Italian or southern Italian, they were all lumped together as southern Europeans who were deemed " inferior" to northern Europeans by WASP nativist sentiments in the US and in this case Australia. In the 1920s, the KKK actually opposed the move to make Columbus Day a holiday because of the strong anti-Italian sentiments in the US. They didn't care that he was a northern Italian Genoese either.
@@gobanitono they weren't. Northern Italians were the first Italians in Australia, and were treated decently. Most Northern Italians went back to their respective regions, but the problem started when Southern Italians came.
Olives are green on their way to becoming black and in between that they are a dark red color more close to black than they are green, so when people speak of an olive complexion it would typically be dark or black of what some say is swarthy. In times passed there were many mixed Italians, but when you really get into it there were also many black people which is understandable considering the location. The mix does not preceded the original, purple does not make red and blue as it’s a secondary color not a primary color. You need red and blue to make purple not the other way around. Green does not make blue or yellow, it’s the primary colors of blue and yellow that make green. So the Italians in Australia that wanted to be white were not considered that as Australia also had a large British population there. There is a show from years ago that went over the people being sent to Australia from the UK and often times they were children who didn’t have the best upbringing, so they were sent there for a potential better life.
What? Olive people such as armenioid folk are darker and redder in summer and southerly latitude, but in winter and northerly latitudes are lighter and have greenish complexion. When people in the middle ages witnessed Jewish people doing kabbalistic magic that image was seared into their subconscious as witchcraft. That's why witches and goblins are depicted with green skin, diminutive size and large nose; it's a caricature of armenioid traits.
Greek olives are brown! What planet are you from?
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You should be asking yourself what planet you are from, as you clearly didn’t read and the Greek olives are actually a reddish color. All that’s mentioned in the post if you read. Also people were speaking of Italians not Greeks.
No, no, no. Olive doesn't refer to a green color or the ripe dark purple color. It refers to a yellowish hue. Some people use olive to mean brown, they do in Australia a lot, it's just ignorance. As to swarthy, that is the color of some Indians, a darker brown. Southern Italians are not swarthy, though sun lovers that they are, can go quite brown after some sun exposure.
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Swarthy is synonymous with black, and there are black people like model Nyakim Gatweck who did a Queen of the Dark article about her being black. So please give a model or celebrity with the yellowish hue you call olive that you are speaking of. With Indian people they tend to have darker hues unless something changes that, the Andaman Islanders are Indian and dark, so from black to white are they in the middle, because that wouldn’t be yellowish, it would be brown like “Black” Americans who are actually different shades of brown.
Ciò che è successo negli Stati Uniti o in Australia per gli italiani sta accadendo ora con il generale Vannacci con gli immigrati. Si vuole a tutti i costi creano un'alterità e lo si fa non sulla base di una comune eredità culturale, ma sull'apparenza fisica, cominciando sempre dal colore della pelle.
Noi Italiani siamo l'espressione di una superiore civiltà millenaria, perciò possiamo lasciare tranquillamente agli Statunitensi e agli Australiani le loro illusioni sulla razza. - We Italians are the expression of a superior millenary civilization, so we can safely leave the Americans and Australians their illusions about race.
Don't be so bigotted. Australians are a good people who aren't as biased against any immigrant of any color are portrayed in this video. Italians are no angels, they are quite bigoted against Black Africans, I have seen it myself, and the average Italian is nothing special as a person or as a European.
Tainted? I call it an honor!
Wow, and to think Australians pride themselves in their coffee culture.
Hi, curly. I asked several months back if you would also make a video deconstructing other races. You said that you would. I'm still waiting. Is it only Whites that must be made to feel that their racial group is a social construction?
I just did a video called "can you pass for Black" last week.
Danielle , as you know , I am half Italian like you. But I have to point-out the fact that within the decades that you were talking about , ITALY was allied with the most genocidal nation in European history --- NAZI Germany !! Also , it was the Anglosphere and Russia who defeated Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy.
Most genocidal european nation is germany? Ses there are genocodal nations you dont know about
The first genocide of the Twentieth Century was carried-out by the GERMANS in Namibia in Africa from 1904 to 1908.
I guess that a follow-up would be what Australians said about Germans and Austrians.
Beautiful woman
Whats the obsession with colour of skin with americans?
The Lebanese are having the same issues now in Australia and it doesn't matter what religion they belong to.
It's weirder because Italians are fellow Europeans not Middle Eastern.
@AsturiasCeltic3 same slurs that the Italians were getting. Othering can be done from the slightest differences, like Northern vs Southern Italians.
@@tiredoftrolls2629 Most of Europe doesn't have a problem with South Europeans, in fact many European places even admire Italy whether it's North or South because that's where a lot of European history and culture evolved from.
@@AsturiasCeltic3it’s not weird Italians are not pink they are olive tan light brown sorry not sorry fuck pink supremacy ✊🏾
The Lebanese have had issues as they come from a war torn country and not sophisticated, rather boorish and backward. Some South Sudanese in Melbourne had similar problems. By the way, I have met many Lebanese of all stripes and they are not exactly a nice group of people. That the point actually, a lot of immigrants are not wonderful people, rather crude and ignorant.
How can a country founded as a convict colony look down on others ? Oxymoron no ? Or just plain moronic LoL .
We still aren’t seen as white in Australia
Why are you obsessed with being classified as white?
@@StevenBiko1I’m not I’m saying we aren’t white I don’t wanna be white anyway
@@Reactiverse22 I'm English Australian and you're White to me...
@@Reactiverse22well you're not white, so don't worry about it.
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How much of the derision of immigrants is class/economics-based but wrongly associated with color? I think of the hate Irish faced even though they were "white." What is the obsession that Anglo-Saxons have with skin color? They seem to place all problems on skin color instead of any other factor.
To define my fellow country men and women, I don't consider Australians are obsessed with skin tones. By the way Anglo-Saxons haven't existed for hundreds of years. Australians today are highly admixed. Yes there still are Europeans here, but it isn't a privilege, it's just a variety of Australian.
The Irish in early USAmerica weren't considered White. It'd be interesting to see if that were also true in Australia. Of course, the idea of whiteness in Australia was contrasted with the blackness of the Aboriginal people. So, it might be that actual skin tone/color was more definitive of whiteness. Iinm, Australia had laws restricting the entrance of Black people until the mid-late 20th century. Anyway, it's certain that there was white-passing in Australia; but, I wonder if there's any narrative literature about someone who did it.
That's because the only real Wh ite people are Anglo-Saxons of pure heritage.
@@sr2291 But, the Anglo-Saxons didn't call themselves White people. In Italy, to this day, there are the Lombards whose name derives from their "long beard" Norman (north man) heritage. There was an old US commercial where the speaker said they were the blond haired, blue-eyed Italians. The Brits/English in the US defined themselves as White after they arrived in the colonies. But, that was their definition. Anyway, it came down to appearances, not reality. Does anyone ask whether the ancient Greeks and Romans were "White'? (Actually, yes, even the ancient Egyptians are racially categorized).
@@sr2291 there is no pure white Anglo Saxon heritage
Anti-Irish prejudice was never racial since the Irish are not phenotypically different from the English or Scottish, unlike Mediterranean people. It was entirely based on religion and culture.
@@HN1066X they depicted them as monkeys and portrayed the Irish as less than human. That was a real organised genocide. They, the British didn’t lift a finger to help them
This crap is so weird. You can have deep dark brown skin and still be a white or Caucasian person. Italians are white and European.
No, they are Europeans who come in a range of skin tones. They would mostly define as European first. Unless they have some political axe to bring they probably would not refer to themselves as white unless explicitly asked to classify themselves on a colour basis. Some European would, but for the most part it is not a priority.
@@lindyashford7744 Wrong. The Spaniards invented the term "white" with their casta system. If it wasn't for us the entire notion of whiteness would not exist or talked about like we are doing right now. Italians are white according to this. People outside of Europe where not considered white by this caste system. I have Italian family members in the USA and they consider themselves white. And I know tons of American Italians who consider themselves white.
European is not a race neither is white a race, Your crap is weird.
English scum do not care about facts, so do not give 2 secs of your time to it
@@Ζεύς1 Yes, it is. European is synonmous with white or Caucasian. What do you think Europeans are? sub-Saharan Africans.. If it's the race categories than no, European is not a race because there is Caucasoids (white), black and Mongoloid, however Europe is the motherland of whites.
Lombroso was a socialist and never wrote what you said about South Italians. That was wrote by a Sicilian : as anthropologist Maria Teresa Milicia has made clear in her "Lombroso e il brigante" (Rome, Salerno 2014), the father of anti-Southern racism with scientific pretensions is the Sicilian Alfredo Niceforo who, influenced by Lombroso's theory, attempts an interpretation of it in a “racial” key.
Lombroso was a 19th-century criminologist.
For Lombroso, men can be delinquents by birth, regardless of their ethnicity or the color of its skin.
Niceforo goes further: according to him, there are genetically delinquent peoples: southern Italians and Sardinians, for example.
Stop, because you are spreading hatred out of sheer ignorance of the facts.
He was also a criminologist. While serving in the Piedmontese army in Southern Italy, Cesare Lombroso theorized that Southern Italians were inherently prone to violent and criminal behavior due to their “atavistic” nature, or evolutionary primitiveness. He even saw acts of rebellion as part of this supposed criminal trait. And of course, inferior to northern Italians .
I am not on my computer, but I will edit with my sources.
Thanks for the comment!
@@nytn Absolutely false. That is the narrative of the "neo-Borbonic" party, not a scientific perspective. No serious southern historian says such things. Moreover, the Piedmontese army never invaded the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies. The one that intervened in 1860 was already the Italian army, made up of soldiers from all parts of Italy: Piedmontese, Sardinians, Ligurians, Lombards, Emilians, Tuscans, soldiers from the Marche region and southerners outside too (many emigrated before to the North, because pro-unitarian). Nor is it correct to say that all the generals were Piedmontese. Another neo-Bourbon falsehood. You must read better books. The things you repeat, in Italy, would at best be coffee shop topics for frustrated people who have read books written by whiny journalists.
I’m open to being wrong! I was just reading about the museum of his work and how controversial it had become in Italy
@@nytn It is controversial for ignorants and neoborbonic people.
@@nytn What took place in the South at the time of Unification was a class struggle, not a racial struggle. Initially, Southern peasants had believed that Garibaldi (who was a Republican) would help peasants become smallholders. Then, the peasants saw that he did not want to change society. The matter got worse when Garibaldi ceded power to the King of the House of Savoy (who, by the way, was first cousin to the King of Naples, since the latter was the son of his father's sister). In fact, by that time the rich people of the North and Center had made full alliance with the rich and noble people of the South not to change southern society. It was then that some of the peasants rebelled against the new unified Italian Authority.
We came here on ships and planes, the ‘white people’ were brought here in chains.
🇦🇺🇮🇹Family migrated from Reggio Calabria to Aus in 50s & 60s. I was born in 1975 & believe me when I tell you it was abundantly clear we were treated as ‘different’ & came to wear it as a badge of pride. We were glad to be different … now they all want to be us. Go figure. Being 1st generation Aus was hard on us - we spoke the language, understood the insults & had to defend our culture as well as trying to assimilate with people who didn’t want us here. No one worked harder than the ‘wogs’ and got little recognition. A fruit shop had written on their window ‘shop here before the dagoes’ (day goes)… so racist! 🤘
So proud of my southern Italian heritage - we are the best people! We are the salt of the earth & this country would have never been so beautiful if the Italians didn’t bust their guts to make it this way. ♥️🇮🇹♥️
Archie Rose was a famous aboriginal who recently passed away… he didn’t know he was aboriginal until someone at school told him he was… he thought he was Greek or Italian, because he saw the similarities in our skin colour. (Lilydale High School, Melbourne, VIC. Aus) The white Australians, descendants of the convicts, looked down on everyone - especially the Aboriginal indigenous people. It’s mind blowing how our country’s both have such similar history- except for the lynchings of Italians (the 11 in New Orleans) Who knew?! 🤷🏼♀️
Anglos also came on ships, genius. They also built the planes you traveled on.
Australia's population that were direct descendants of convicts was only around 20-25% up until the 1950s -- most of whom were just everyday settlers. The main reason they were named "convicts" was because they were sentenced for petty crimes, such as stealing food when they were hungry and borrowed small items. The legal system at that time was harsh over minor offenses. So most of the crime was not what people think it is.
Also, Aboriginal skin color looks nothing like Greek or Italian skin. The only ones that have a similar complexion are the Aboriginals who are mixed-race. They are not as dark as full-blooded Aboriginals from the outback.
@@Casey2262 🫵🤣 hit a nerve did I! Sorry about the whole convict ancestry thing.. I guess I should’ve specified, we came here by will, by choice, on ships, with toilets and didn’t have to row till we died, get scurvy and sit in shit - like the convicts who were exiled did. Have a wonderful day. I love that I hit a nerve… it’s so satisfying. Bye now
@@-everythingsRosie 🤣 Yeah, the one that makes me chuckle. I can understand the xenophobia though. It must suck to be the color of light colored 'sh!t. I guess old mate Archie was right after all.
Some sad a$$ ish!😢. I'm not Italian.
Sorry, Italians are not white we are olive? Who? A lot of italians aren't olive at all. And are between the whitest of the whites). The error is thinking that italians are all the same, they have just one southern etnicity (but even southern itlkian ethincity is nopt what you think, lot of Normans heritage people in Scily and Puglia, just to make an example).
A lot of Southern Italians like Al Pacino and Sylvester Stallone actually look Celtic, Germanic mixed with Roman. Very similar to what Robert de Niro is. According to the Spaniards, who invented the entire concept of white, Italians were definitely white because they were fellow Europeans. The English actually stole the Spaniards concept of white. Before the Spaniards invented it for their Casta system no one describe themselves as white
So what. Why are you so pressed to prove your wht-ness? It's a bizarre obsession that Anglos have poisoned the world with. It's weird and based in an insecurity. Humanity and civilization began in Africa. All humans are African immigrants anyway. The ideology of Wht-ness is weird😱
Get off Neanderthals dicks mate they don’t like you or consider you a WASP!!! Ever!!! You’re a mutt period get over it lol welcome to the club 😂
White people aren't white either, usually they are pink, grey, peach, orange in the case of one USA president... whatever, they are not white. I had an Albino day when I was at university. I saw on one particular day, at least five European Albinos, and they are really White. You should look up "The Whitest British", it's about a Pakistani family of Albinos.
what bs
which primary source are you contending with?