Project Snowball - Tuning This 1968 Dodge Coronet 500 Accidentally Turned Into A Much Bigger Job...
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- Опубликовано: 17 фев 2024
- In this video - Distributor recurve and Summit Racing Mopar Distributor setup; Discussion of performance engine base advance and timing settings; Distributor rotor phasing testing and theory; A giant puddle of transmission fluid, and diagnosing front pump seal / torque converter seal failure.
This '68 Coronet is in the middle of a mild identity crisis. The previous owner crafted it into a somewhat convincing clone of a 1968 Dodge Super Bee. The current owner, Mark, has gone to great lengths to source the correct pieces to turn it back into a Coronet 500, something quite special in its own right. Whatever details it presents - factory, or otherwise - it is a striking muscle car that commands attention with its bright Sublime Green paint.
On today's episode, this sweet '68 has come to Dead Dodge Garage World Headquarters for a distributor swap, performance timing curve setup, and a basic tune and checkup. Or at least, that was the plan. Somewhere in the middle of that operation, things got weird, and now this project has turned into something very different. This should be fun... 
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I know it seems as though I must. Have known there was a tranny issue. But I swear I have never had an issue. I park it on a lift above a 70 Chevelle sometimes. That’s the confidence I “had” in the car . I think Jamie did it for Clicks!! 😂😂
All I can say is, things go badly enough around here without further intervention from me 😅
What I like about you James, is you take your customers car's out and drive them, and make sure there running good, in all situations, like hot start, and no spark knock, like optimal ignition timing. Thanks for that.
No, it's definitely a distributor video Jamie...the car is distributing trans fluid all over your floor 😉
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"It wasn't leaking BEFORE you changed the distributor!!" 🤣🤣
You changed my serpentine belt, and now my water pump leaks!
A+ for using the word “pablum.”
Looks like an episode of “murder she wrote “ 😂
What a beautiful 💖
68 Dodge Coronet 500 🏁
Certainly got my ,
Super Bee knowledge on ,
Thanks Jamie 🧑🎓
About 2 months ago, that same mysterious puddle appeared under my 69 Coronet. I turned it off, put some floor dry down, and left it..... for now. Please show the seal replacement or whatever the fix turns out to be. Thanks for sharing!
Absolutely GORGEOUS! I love that color!
Sorry but I don’t agree with that color. But definitely a great condition Coronet.❤
It would look better in it's original color.
Wow what a beautiful car! How does pulling a distributor cause a tranny to leak? They aren't even connected. I suppose the answer for all your leaks is because it can, and it's you doing it, that streak of luck that you have, good luck with it Jamie! Looking forward to the second part of this Kermit Cornet project video!
Sorry about the mess, but love the old Mopars. My first car was a '69 Coronet 500. Not a street racer with a 318, 2-bbl but I agree with you; beautiful body lines for sure.
Re: recurving the diz. I understand that some guys love fiddling with the inside of a distributor and dropping tiny parts on the floor, but I would recommend a Progression Ignition unit. I got one a year ago for my '65 Impala and I curve it from my cell phone. Love it. BTW, I am running 24* initial timing at idle, 29* in drive at 600 RPM with no vac advance at idle but additional 10* added in sequentially from 1500-3000 RPM.
I totally like the idea of quickly and easily changing a timing curve, but I have zero interest in putting a little computer inside my distributor that I have to talk to with an app. I just don’t want that in my classic car. I hope that makes sense.
I had a dark green 68 Coronet 500 Ragtop for a project car back in the 80's. Halfway through rust removal surgery, life circumstances changed, so i had to sell the car. This video makes me miss that car.
The best thing about this “tuneup” is that the owner is going get the best possible service and outcome. Love you guys. Great work! Always!
Thank you!
When I clean up fluid leaks I use either a 6 inch or a 4 inch drywall knife and a metal dust pan. I use the knife to push the fluid into the dust pan and just dump it into a drain pan until most of fluid is removed. That method removes fluid amazingly quickly and minimizes the amount of mess and rags needed to remove the spill. Try it next time you will be amazed at how efficient it is at removing fluid spills.
Brilliant!
Very straight looking car, but that trans leak is a major bummer.
It almost Seems like you're being set up . Good luck man
I can definitely confirm he had no idea this would happen.
What a great looking car👌
Looks like one of those reexamining life choices moments. I work on '60s Fords, so I have one of those about every 8 days.
Yeah, Mopar land is not so different in that regard...
Just stumbled across this and immediately subscribed. So much information that would have helped me on my dodge trucks, coronet, or supercharged charger in the past setting everything up!
Thanks! I try to pack a lot of good info into these things. Haha.
In the late 80s I bought a 67 Dart GT-S hardtop with the leaning tower of cower I mean power. As many of my friends were also gearheads and my dad was cool with project cars, this car was beautiful and not a project, I could have easily swapped K members and did as a friend did which was 340 heads on a newer 318, purple cam, steel crank etc and swapped the driveline out too. It was kept the way it left the factory like the many other survivors I've had from VWs to my daily which is even rarer at 12,300 total built over 3 years. Use it or lose it.
You could have had a GT with a /6, but not a GTS
Great video a gift that just keeps on giving. I've always said if it's not broke fix it till it is ! !😂
I'm glad you don't cut out the disasters. This is typical of my experience. Those cam specs are similar to mine. I look forward to what the timing curve ends up at. Happy wrenching!
I want to show people what this stuff is like - warts and all. I think that’s really important. That, and walking through how I figure things out. It’s always a new nightmare, so I think it’s important to get the approach down. Thanks!
Can't wait to see the toolbox charger again. Its looking great. Love that color on it.
Dude me too. The next video is coming up! It’s almost a whole car now.
Thats what i like about you Jamie, you take the time to make sure its right, you take them out and actually drive them, to make sure youve got the most optimal ignition timing, no spark knock, and no kick back when cranking, instead of just throwing number at it and calling it "good". The world needs more people like you in it.
Thank you for that.
Say goodnight Irene. Sweet dreams until next time. Looks like Murphy showed up.
This car looks awesome and i usually just like original.
Nice car and its a good thing you had the car in for tuning and found the other leaks or he could have been left stranded somewhere.
That's the whole mixed blessing of the situation. DDG certainly didn't need a major leak, but at the same time, if a leak was to happen, it's way better to happen at a mopar specific shop than to happen on the road somewhere.
Cool car great info
Wow, that totally sucks dude. That would be my kinda luck working on a car. This is why I have a lot of respect for what you and my mechanic friends do. There must have been a lot of off camera cussing going on after that happened.
Ohhhh yeah… someone said I should release the cussing cut. Thankfully there isn’t one 😅
For me, the original gauges are a huge part of the appeal. Admittedly, the quirkiness of the ammeter might convince me to make a few behind-the-scene updates, but I love the original look.
I completely agree. I just love the original clusters. Even the grandma sweep gauges.
Oh dear this way more videos will come all the same a very nice presentable car
Thanks!
Hmm, this looks like one of my days sometimes. I've sometimes thought that one way to solve every leak is to just some build sort of a pan under the car to catch everything, and make sure to include a drain plug so it can be drained occasionally.
Beautiful coronet
Look forward to you slaying these two Dragons. Tuning tutorial is so appreciated.
What a beauty ❤
That staining on the LH exhaust pipe just after the collector and crossover says the trans has been at least seeping for a while.
Yes - but from somewhere else forward the back. Speedo cable or shift shaft seal, not sure which yet. I was going to mention that but didn’t get it in the video.
The hard line was seeping for a bit. I found it was a bit loose on a routine trip on the rack. That was the cause of that stain, but good eye!
Love me some Sublime Green!
👍Good stuff
NO , feel ya pain mate . Bob the builder says 'YESS WE CAN'. ps Luv crazy 60s taillights . Coro's n Satellites all the way baby
Getting some B-body content nice good stuff....and thanks
Thx Jamie
I don't envy having to make that awkward phone call. "You know how your car was brought in for a tune-up job? Yeah, about that......"
Yeah… that was fun…
It's one of the toughest parts of being a mechanic, IMO.
tuning a a Mopar is like tuning a 12 string electric guitar .. you can do it .. but as soon as you hit the trem bar ... it's a roll of the dice
Yeah, except tuning doesn't usually involve a lake of red under the car.
@@clembob8004 depends on what kind of guitar ..and what shade of red
I swear.....I just watched an episode of my own life!
You must be my karmic twin!
I, like you, am well acquainted with Mr. Murphy 😎
Oh yeah. Me and Mr. Murphy go way back. Haha.
I have a feeling we will be seeing this car again in a future video 🤯
Oh… very, very soon.
"We got a smoker... aaaaand a bleeder!" Son of a..... 😂
😅
I like the black out trim....Interesting.
It makes for a very clean look. I’ve never seen that done before, and do have to say I find it interesting. Especially with the sublime - the green and flat black play together well.
Yeah Jamie I hate when that stuff happens and it only makes a person look like they did something wrong which they did not and now instead of three hours job it's a 15 hour job and good luck with the fix I'm so glad that you've got vocational school watching your videos you interject so much fun into everything that then poor people are gonna go to their first job and they're not gonna find the funny character mechanic they're working there which is unfortunate and the way mechanics are dropping out because of issues with pay and flat rate and high tech crap that you don't get paid for I don't blame them so you vortec people think hard and long and make sure you're tuned up on electronics because that is what it's gonna be 90% of the time anything electrical thanks Jamie
Love it
So so green.
Aggressively green, I would say.
Still a nice MOPAR even if not what the tags show she a looker 👀 .👍🏻🇦🇺.
Very cool car, except for the reflective pool.. good shot tho.
Kinda like the blacked out trim, too.
One of THOSE days.
I was joking tonight "If its not leaking - its not running right" - I was talking about Harley's... but I suppose it applies to this Mopar as well? Good luck playing the Lil' Dutch Boy with this one lol. 🤣😂
Oh… it applies to more than just Harleys…
That got WAY out of hand WAY too quickly! Beautiful car though, glad he is finding the parts to put it back to a true Coronet 500. The 500 has some beautiful trim and details. Those tail lights are epic!
Holy shit man, I've seen pump seals leave a drop or two over a couple of hours but nothing like that. It's the Old Faithful of transmission leaks!
Still not sure how you work on that without sunglasses, maybe it looks brighter on camera but God dang!
It’s very bright. Haha. But actually that’s helpful in my shop, the lighting is terrible
Op, just seen the rest of the vid, yep, welp i think the trans has got ta come out, front seal and torque converter bushing...
Ive found that (and im sure you have to), that when someome dosent put the converter into the transmision "gently" the bushing can come lose, and voula, front seal no longer seals...
I put my 727 together and had to pull it back out for the exact same reason.
Moper strong!!
I’ve seen a bushing disintegrate once before, but I never found the root cause. I fixed it and it did it again, which led me to believe it was probably a transmission dowel alignment issue. Hopefully this one becomes obvious as I get into it.
I installed one of those Summit electronic distributor upgrade kits in my '72 W200, and it would start and run great, but after 15 min. of driving, it would usually lose spark when trying to re-start. Turned out to be that bent pickup increasing the gap out of spec. That small gap increase at the wide end of the bent pickup causes a loss of spark after things heat up. Seems that bent pickup is a feature they all come with from Summit.
Yeah I’m not thrilled about it. We’ll see if this one has the same issue. Considered filing it straight but that might do more harm than good. I had that same exact issue with an original Chrysler distributor years ago in my Challenger.
LoL- know all about "Job creep" and things getting done right. If you've seen the ol' Valiant sedan...brakes, suspension, steering, interior, weather stripping, power train, consumable parts, chassis stiffening, wheels & tires, interior fixes (front bench bottom, carpet, headliner), electronics/counter measures, radio retrofit, speakers, remove the vinyl top & paint the metal white
All schools should show your videos. I love how it started as a timing video and turned into what the hell happened here. It’s like what happens in my garage.
When do we get an episode with all the cussing bloopers that are cut out?
I’m at least smart enough to turn the camera off for the majority of those 😅
I don’t mind the black out trim beings it’s kind of a hodge podge thing the way it is, it’s got kind of a unique sinister look. I don’t mind that digital gauge cluster either, I’d rather have analog gauges but the dash/gauge cluster on those cars was kinda boring looking for as cool as the rest of the car was.
I agree!
As i watch im trying to learn but unfortunately I still don't understand a damn thing especially when it comes to the distributor and ignition...
Love the car 🚗
Thanks...
It’s green!
On my 1972 Charger, it developed a transmission leak after I bought it. Suspect is a cracked torque converter. Have not taken anything apart to see yet.
Probably the front seal.
Went from Fine-Tuning to Critical Repair Item time.
Automatic transmission fluid skating rink- Zamboni time!
Looks like a While you are there project....😂😂
Sorry but I can relate to your experience here. That kind of crap always happens when I am trying to fix something. Luckily I fix stuff for a living! Life is great!
My 68 Coronet 440 was dark green.
I like the car. Even the color. All of the seemingly unrelated mayhem is likely why people hire your services :-)
When you gotta take a leak you gotta take a leak !
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Rather than Project Snowball it's Project Curveball...
Oh that’s much better.
MP sold distributors with that type of advance for a while. The little plastic gauges came separate. Got one in the shed, somewhere.....
Yep. I’ve talked about that MP unit that these are based on in the past. I will discuss them in my big distributor video… some day…
I wouldn't say those 0.050" numbers are agressive - that's 31 degrees from 0.006" duration, and more like a warranty build item. Given the 2.14" intake on those heads, the cam is probably fun and near middle of the road for flat tappet kind of performance.
Good luck with that transmission.
I am comparing to the small block grinds I usually deal with. There’s a big inch difference between a 360 and a 440 that I need to keep in mind. But it seemed like relatively low lift for that duration number to me.
ah, the joys of old car ownership
Some days it do be like that...
Beautiful car except it looks like it’s bleeding to death. Lol lol great video.
Did that firing order thing om my marine 440. Was all wrong, duh, reverse rotation motor will get you every time.
I learned that the hard way many years ago. I knew, of course, but I mostly do small blocks and forgot. So lately I’ve been doing so many big blocks… now the problem is reversed. Haha.
... "And remember..".
Better there , than out there ..."
It's kinda fitting that it decided to leak almost every fluid possible. It's just acclimating to its current surroundings
Seriously though 😅
It looks like "better then stock - flipper edition" but Bilstein shocks are way too expensive for that.
I am soooooo lucky I did not buy 72 Dart few years back. It was stroked 318 with alu heads and 4 speed, 90s seats and digital dash. My "oh shit" sense was tingling from the moment I saw the seats. This car really reminds me that Dart. Better parts and paint but my "oh shit" sense started tingling the moment I saw the blacked out trim. 😁
Shiny paint can cover many sins XD
It can, but in this case, there is a pile of photos showing what is underneath. It’s a really good car.
@@DeadDodgeGarage that is really good 😄
You freaking broke it! 😂 (just kidding), frick'n Murphy's Law brother....if anything can go wrong it will. Sucks!
Yep… apparently I need a murphy’s law sign in the shop for situations just like this
I’ve been looking for a pair of bucket seats for my 64 B body and so far all I’ve found was later high back and that’s not what I want because I’m like you and want it to be correct.
Yeah that’s where I’m at. I’m going to kind of ridiculous lengths to get factory buckets back in my Barracuda. I don’t know why I’m like this. Haha.
I still kick my old but 20 years ago 68 bee , 383 auto, b5 blue, there hard to come by here in Pa
Seems like a perfectly normal day to me…
Look at the bright side, that happened in the garage and not on the road!
Seriously. As inconvenient as this is for me, I’m really glad it happened while it was here. This seriously would have sucked out on a drive.
@@DeadDodgeGarage I had a similar experience changing the oil on a BMW today. I was filling the engine with fresh oil and my hand barely bumped the coolant overflow line with a plastic quick connect and it broke the quick connect spewing some hot coolant all over me as I was trying to plug the hose with the end of my fingers. Glad that happened in the driveway and not on the road because I'm pretty sure a pothole or big speed bump would have broken that.
Since it’s a hard top they should have cloned an R/T, other than the obvious act of not cloning it at all, but what I’m seeing looks like a nice car.
I was thinking the same thing.
Doesn’t it always happen like that it never leaked before lol famous last words
Could you discuss thermostats and carburetor tunning ?
In what regard? Fueling differences based on operating temperature? That’s kind of beyond my pay grade. There is a lot to getting the fuel mixture right in a particular combination. The best way I know (without a wide band or other wizardry) is by listening to the engine, watching and smelling the exhaust, and reading the plugs.
Thanks for the reply. Short of buying an AFR gauge. Will a higher temperature idle cleaner.
Mark needs to see if someone can remove the decal off the quarter panels and decklid.
He’s on of it.
I’d take a well optioned Coronet R/T or 500 over a Super-Bee any day. Even built as a clone from a regular 2 door Coronet post or hardtop…..at least it would be a different clone. The truth is if I ever get my hands on and / or put together a big block 4 speed B body it’s never getting sold anyway so I wouldn’t be offended if it wasn’t numbers matching as long as it looks, runs and drives like the real deal.
A clone doesn’t bother me at all if it’s for your pleasure, and not for defrauding a buyer. But I’d like to see factory correct details. For ‘68, that means a post car and a different color.
Didn’t uncle Tony do a video on this car ?
I thought that car was a 318 four speed
No, but I was definitely reminded of that one as I was going through this one.
Fix one problem.... get two more. FREE! Oh boy.
Looks like to me a rear main seal. Or a front main seal for the transmission. On that tan distributor cap, isn't that one cracked? Thought I did see a piece missing off of it. Nice car though
Yes, that’s why I chose that cap to drill holes in. I am only using it to check rotor phasing. I made sure the slot is lined up with the intact side. It’s absolutely transmission fluid, so it has to be coming from the front pump / torque converter seal.
Converter hub has failed? I know small block Chryslers had some issues with bellhousing to crank alignment, wonder if this combo is out and has finally cracked?
I have several different thoughts. It’s going to be interesting to see what happened. Just such a random thing to happen. Alignment was definitely a thought I had, a friend had this issue twice with his Dart.
@@DeadDodgeGarage Here in Australia, Chrysler thought it was a serious enough problem the factory service manuals recommended checking converter to crank hub runout any time a transmission was removed. Apparently, a flexplate can do only so much!
New Name For Coronet 500 Bee : Leaky Louie.
Keep an eye out for a brake fluid leak. That car wants to be perfect and leak all the things.
It’s pretty, though.
On a side note we just got our sons 1991 D250 MOT done the annual government inspection here in England ,and the exhaust emissions were a very good reading of 0.65 Co .So that old myth about oldish cars being bad ?.Can’t be bad for a 5.9 litre V8.
Nice. There are a lot of variables involved there. Being a ‘91, that truck has the throttle body fuel injection (TBI) system and a catalytic converter, so as long as it’s in a good state of tune it should produce good results. Older carbureted engines will be much more of a crap shoot, but again, in a good state of tune, acceptable emissions are possible.
Yeah your right , thankfully no cat .
@@helenfinchsewwrite No cat? They were mandated here in 1979, so if you don't have one, that would be very surprising - and at least here in the US would automatically flunk you on an emissions test.
Sunday’s Mission Creep
How do you know if its the seal or the converter? I had the same issue, replaced the entire tranny for a rebuilt one, but not the converter. Went driving, same thing happens after an afternoon of driving. Pool of fluid just gushing out.
The only same thing is the converter. So.. how would In determine if thats te issue or not?
I'm going to talk about this a lot in the next video. But the likely causes in your case would be A) a converter construction issue, or B) a transmission alignment problem. The dowels locate the transmission to the back of the block, and they may be off. The question that follows, of course, is why this wasn't an issue from the factory, but became an issue later. I can't answer that. But I'm going to try to devise a way to narrow down what the real issue is with this car, and hopefully that will help - because including yours, I now know of at least 3 cars that have done the exact same thing.
@@DeadDodgeGarage Much appreciated man! Thank you for your time and reply!
let us know when you have her sorted