@@noodle714 Ive done that like 6 times, nothing on there but buff playboy models trying to throw their nuts in my face, male crasher avatars that a bright as fuck, awfully made avatars that look like it was thrown into a microwave for 5 minutes, skinny and lanky mfers with weird looking heads and off proportion bodys. you get my point
dont really think i am trans but i am just a lot more comfortable being comfortable if i am using a female avatar it's basically a break from having to "be a man" and all that shite. it's nice
People often get confused and bothered but, identity and presentation dont have to correlate, and some people might like feminine presentation while still being confident in their gender. Taking a break from like all the ideas of self and just letting lose is always fun, no matter what kind of person you are
Right, I get ya. Having to play the role of "masculinity" when you didn't ask for it in the first place can really be awfully stifling. I didn't want to be relied on to be a strong, powerful leader, or a big tough guy. It was like being shoved into clothes that didn't fit me very comfortably. I could wear them and not complain, but It wasn't very fun, and I felt awkward being percieved as what I was seen as.
VRChat one month in: using gorou from Genshin impact as my avatar Two months in: found the mint base , used it and saw myself in a mirror *OH* moment Three months in: I’m a vtuber now Honestly I don’t regret anything it changed my whole life path and lead me to meet amazing people and make incredible friendships
Drueww edit bc idk if I'd ever get to tell you othereise: Your content is what finally inspired me to get vr and go and socialize. I've seen other people's funny moment type videos but it never really sold me on buying a headset or playing vrc. Idk if its a comfort thing with my own gender and seeing you not getting like immediately slandered when you drop to your natural speaking voice but your videos gave me the push
@@untamablewolfI feel the same way. His content helped me find my own voice and pushed me to voice train. I sometimes “voice troll” too but it’s something I’ve had fun with and made me care less about negative reactions to my transness since I just treat my “guy voice” as a fun party trick I can do.
This is why I learned how to use blender. I straight up could not find an avatar that felt like it was me. I'm not a pile of muscle, I'm not a tiny eboy, I'm not a tiny Knuckles, I'm not an amogus or master chief. But I'm also not an anime girl, and seeing as I was pretty much out of options for premade avatars, I chose to make my own. And if I'm doing a custom job, might as well make it unique. Thankfully there are at least a few generic male bases on DeviantArt so I had somewhere to start. Wishing I could post a picture of my avi in my comment. Even though the final product is rough around the edges, I am very happy with it. I can't see myself using another avatar, and one of my vr friends said they couldn't imagine me as anything else either. But about getting started with the avatar creation pipeline... It's easy for me to say it was worth it, but I recognize how big the barrier to entry can be. Even for someone who had used CAD before (SolidWorks) and was familiar with working in 3D, it was hard to get started. I am extremely grateful for the tutorials out there. If you don't like that idea and have some paper to spend, commisioning a custom avatar is always an option. If you do want to go the creation route, my advice is to absorb tutorials like a sponge and make sure theyre specific to making avatars. "Vrchat avatar" is a popular search term so you'll get a lot of search results. It's important to have an idea about what you want to make before you start. But most importantly, take it easy. Don't rush through the steps, especially in blender, or else you'll find yourself going back to redo things several times (Tbh this might happen regardless of how careful you are). And you don't need to have it done in a week, take your time. If you see it to completion, you'll have a kickass avi and gain some kickass artistic and technical skills. I'll close off by saying everyone deserves an avatar that resonates with them. It represents you, after all. To anyone who's still looking for one, I'm rooting for your search!
Although VRChat is well-known in the trans community for making omelets, sometimes cis guys just want to look like cute anime girls, and that's valid. 🥚
As a transgirl... yea. Yea that's fine. It doesn't make you trans. Your very own personal reasons for choosing a girl is the thing, that might indicate that you're trans. Because in that case you might notice that it means more to you and go into thought spirals about why it might mean more to you. THAT is the indicator. Not that you find the avatar pretty and... why would you choose the (to you) uglier one
I approach this question with a tangential angle: the desire for cuteness. As you've said in the video, a lot of male avatars are geared more towards the "swole" side, and a lot of men just don't want to conform to that. A lot of men just want to be cute, but representations of cute men in avatars are rarer, and thus it's easier to default to the next best thing, that being cute female avatars. I think the argument of the disparity in avatar support makes sense, tho it doesn't explain the large amount of VRChat users who just pick avatars from an avatar world and are more inclined towards choosing the cuter option. Still a valid point nonetheless. There's a parallel to be made between female anime avis and furry avis. Furries also tend to often go towards seeking cuteness in how they represent themselves, and in a lot of cases it's even how they become furries in the first place. When you're not satisfied by the cuteness of human avatars as a whole, then the next best thing is a fluffy animal. Great video, and as a trans person I must thank you for approaching the transphobia aspect with care ❤
furries are creepy to me. i never found them cute. the mixture of human and animal is uncanny. if it’s a pure animal avatar that’s fine. not if it’s on two legs
@@Keaninevroid is a godsend: sure, pure vroids might look generic in most cases but they can look way better, nothing like the typical "vroid look" if you put enough time and effort into it (and it's still easier than making avatars from scratch) ^^
I went into VRChat in 2020 to shitpost, and was incredibly uncomfortable initially with the idea of everyone being an anime girl. Now it feels weird to see male avatars in my own circles, tbh. One of my friends made a male version of his avatar, and whenever he switches to it we pull a Spongebob movie moment, like when King Neptune takes the paper bag off. Everyone's pointing and changing BALD! BALD! BALD! --we do that, except "MAN! MAN! MAN!" mostly because it's funny but also because it just stands out. We're all confidently men, I think I heard it best in someone else's documentary on this subject. "I just want to be cute." Like you said, we're kinda socially conditioned as men to act a certain way, like certain things; the idea of masculinity has really devolved into something much more toxic than what it should be. VRChat won't make you a woman, or turn you gay or trans or what have you; but what it will do is open your mind.
7:09 Heyyy, that’s me! I appreciate the feature! I like using that avatar inside and outside of open mic events because I like to show people who I am inside and outside of VRChat. Some people tell me it gives them a sense of happiness to see someone being themselves. Feel free to ask me more questions! Great video by the way, really touches base on what it is like for the transgender community on VRChat! Edit: Fun fact: I actually have that same shirt, glasses, and earrings IRL
Also, I've observed a very simple, and it seems, obvious phenomenon: the female form in VRC is more approachable, and is immediately treated with more kindness. As a relative newbie, a guy who only has about 500 hours in VRC, I've been quietly asking myself this question since the beginning. I've seen a number of my male friends switch to maining a female avi, and I've been curious as to what the psychology is to that. I think you covered a good chunk of it. But I think the simplest fact is most people who spend a lot of time in there enjoy being treated well, and sad to say.. we currently live in a society that is hostile to the male form. It's a nice change to be immediately, and constantly, treated with kindness.
Masculinity and the male form is often seen as inherently dangerous and violent, and no one wants to look intimidating and dangerous in vrchat, we wanna look cozy and friendly! Really hard to make your personal aesthetics click when there's a bunch of "angry grr smash stuff" energy emanating from your shoulder to hip ratio and your facial hair
You’re a genuine hidden gem in RUclips for VR related videos. I’m really glad I found you a few months ago and I’m still really dumbfounded how your channel isn’t bigger than it is! You deserve so many more subscribers 😭 The effort you put into every video is phenomenal 🥰❤️
Finding a masculine avatar is super hard. They all have guns, camofage or no shirt. Most of the male avatars look like women dressed like guys, or just boys. If someone talented made good men (not boys) avatars they could corner the market. I'm stuck running around as a robot....
Carl Jung already described humans as beings of duality in his anima and animus theory. VRChat tends to nurtures that part in us that is often repressed by societal norms and allows us to express ourselves in a (mostly) safe environment. And by doing so, I noticed that I'm now feeling much more confident taking on my more traditional roles IRL. It helped me self-improve and foster some of the most beautiful friendships I've ever had.
Using mamehinata (and the like) brings out the loving, long lost inner child from us I found. It helps me slowly overcome being hateful and negative, just because you wouldn't say those things when using such a bright and friendly avatar.
when i first started playing vrchat i thought "the male avatars look gross compaired to everyone else " thats mainly because of the contrast it highlights between the female anime avi's and the memes and other stuff and im not used to a group of buff shirtless people telling me the most dumb stuff when vrchat is known for the memes and anime girls. when i started playing I made a vroid model and worked on custom textures like hair,ears,hoodie and shoes and im really proud of it and would use it as my main avatar but then the eyes got super wonky when following a youtube video for blender and testing it in vrchat desktop. Then my laptop screen broke and i couldn't finish the model and any tweaks in blender. still got it in a sd card somwhere might get to it someday. i feel like ive been rambling well hoped you liked the comment. Yay cool bye
yeah, vroid seems to the the only option if you want a custom avi that's male and isn't really weird. I wish there was another option, but it's a pretty good only option
The title brought me, and the video kept me here. Great job on it! I will admit as a child I always picked male avatars to match myself, but as I grew older I started liking female characters more and more because first, they tend to have really cool customization options, and second, I feel like just seeing ourselves as the opposite gender helps us explore parts of ourselves that we may normally ignore or hide, even from ourselves. It's like looking so different from our usual self helps us BE different.
@@BobOrKlausThat's actually why Lara Croft isn't Larry Croft. One of the original devs said in an interview at the time "if you're going to be staring at a bum for the next twenty hours, it may as well be a nice one." It stuck with me, partially because of how casually transparent he was about it, which I was not used to.
There is an outsider view of VRChat that has a huge stigma about males using female avatars, mostly popularized by the years-old and stale joke of a male sounding a lot like a female by disguising their voice and trolling someone. Often it is one of these videos that most people see when they are introduced to VRChat, and even though people have been making them for six long years at this point, they're still one of the most common videos found when searching for VRChat videos. Because of that, there is a huge misconception of what it means to wear a female avatar in VRChat, most of which comes from people who never play or play VRChat very little. I just want to give a heartfelt thank you for this video, which goes beyond this surface-level understanding of the phenomena and attempts to explain the nuanced atmosphere present on the platform. I wish it could be as popular as the other videos, and I really wish we could have calm and intelligent videos like it instead of the endless stream of voice trolling and knee-jerk reaction vids that I feel lead to such phobias. Good job.
It's interesting you say that. In flatscreen games, I play as the ladies whenever there's an option. And to my recollection, I rolled that way pre-puberty too. Not just because Toadstool was the easiest character to play in Super Mario 2, I just liked playing as girls. In VR, I play as dudes. Girl avatars are kinda weird and just feel wrong. My shoulders aren't supposed to be that narrow, my chest isn't supposed to be that honkable, my ass ain't supposed to be that round. It gives me the heebie-jeebies when I look down and see some chick where I belong. If this is how transgender folks feel in meatspace, then... ummm... yeah. Having to live like that all the time sounds horrifying.
While we’re talking avatars, let me give a further shout out to my furry and trans furry homies. I am neither, but I appreciate that y’all are some of the nicest, most pleasant, chillest people I’ve hung out with in VRC and some good new friends.
It's hard to find male avatar that's normal. You'll have easier time going for tomboy female model instead. And if anime aesthetic aren't a must then there male video game characters models rip since that seem to be the only source of normal male avatar. That is Half life models are pretty nice.
Gotta be honest, I played vrchat only a few times and I picked a female avatar because it looked better. Though I have to use my voice or creeps start trying to get under me and look up my dress. That's the one time I think I understood why women fear walking alone. I myself don't really care about the aesthetic of my avatar when I can't see it. I care more about functionality in VR and how I can interact with things. That's why I play simulators and shooters more so than social games. Either way, you are doing good videos even if having a female avatar is slightly weird.
8:32 vrc did the same for me, i was oppressed most of my life by the people around me and the virtual space was the first time i felt i was somewhere far away not needing to decide right from wrong or should and shouldnts i could just be myself and see if i really was the problem and i made alot of friends doing so and the more i opened up my shell the happier people were to see it but it sadly didnt apply well to the world outside of the vr space. i was told i was a stranger and ridiculed so i was forced to find a middle point. the bright side is i mostly listen to myself now with the peace of knowing im not crazy or weird as people tried to manipulate me to believe
I've seen so many videos on this exact topic but this is by far the best, with the most information and in a shorter engaging time as well. One of the better youtube videos I've found in a while, I hope your channel blows up!!!
Tbh your avatar is one of the reasons I've stick to your channel, the surprise of seeing a female character with a male voice was something super interesting at first and made me stay lol but I'm in the group that feels more comfortable with female avatars, it adds a bit of the "escape-from-reality" scenario and not having to follow stereotypes.
In my opinion, I always was a woman, but I was just put into a body that isn’t me. Either way, I feel like VrChat can allow people to try out certain aesthetics, while others like me use it to make their avatar as the body they want. It’s amazing, honestly.
The female avatar is how it starts then you wear thigh high socks, then you cossplay as your avatar at twitchcon, then when you get home you wear short shorts with the thigh high socks to relax because pants dont feel comfy anymore!! 😶
Wow, another nice video Boneless. I can fully relate to a lot of what you have said, and trust you for what I still don't fully understand. In Mass Effect, I tried to play as Male Shepherd, but found I could not relate to the voice (although Mark Meer is an awesome voice talent...just not what I could relate to). But I could relate to the voice of FemShep, Jennifer Hale, and felt she was able to hold a stronger "total paragon" position (the way I play), so she became my main character throughout the trilogy. In VRChat, I have a male avatar, identify as a cis-male LGBTQ+ ally, have a number of Trans friends at the Trans Academy, and feel more accepted as an individual than I have in years (and I am 62 yo, which is saying something). I admit I did not like the way that some viewers were criticizing you for your choice of avatar from your last video, but was very pleased to see how much support you got (sorry I didn't say anything, but I saw that tons of people had you covered). Keep up the great work, Boneless...always looking forward to your videos!
I can't even begin to thank you for the incredible content you make man, small or not; in my eyes this is one of, if not the best VR(C) channels on YT. you deserve two extra zeros on that 5.28K! I've seen your videos pop-up multiple times over the past year, but I never watched any of them until last month while I was recovering from surgery, and man did you put a smile on my face. I literally had to pause one of your videos just to stop the pain from laughing. this video was lovely besides the random microphone changes, the perfect mixture of education, comedy, conversational topics, relatability, information, and etc. yada yada yada, I'm in love with this channel and ever since your videos helped me recover, I look forward to every video you post in the future and wish nothing but the best for you and the channel! this video does not only succeed at making me smile, laugh, think, and relate; but it also makes me feel like I'm having a conversation though it's only one person talking! I'd love to actually have a conversation with you some day, but until then I'll just keep watching these crazy good videos when you keep posting! if you do read all of this, thank you for what you do, and seriously don't stop! much love
Maybe conversation is closer than you think. I won’t reveal how, but you can find it. I’ve been able to talk to Boneless plenty coming as just a RUclips fan!
as an eight year blender artist, and a 2 year VRchat avatar creator the very complex answer short is : men with muscles are hard to make move right, men without muscles are just women unless you're making a nsfw model. (not calling them women because they are weak but because they are physically identical in a mesh standpoint, rounded edges easy weight painting etc I see no difference from a cup and a doughnut. I started off trying to make a short film, but the first requirement of a dude caused eight years of study and practice and the only part I "finished" was his mask. (my pfp, coincidentally a screenshot of my female character in Hogwarts Legacy with my custom plague mask I modded in myself. I had picked a in game mask to replace that didn't mesh well with both genders, male characters didn't get the mask applied correctly haha) Genuinely it takes near zero knowledge of female anatomy to make a model, a simple still image is enough, two if you're a professional (front, side) the issue with males is you need dozens of references basically of every single keyframe a user could make of HOW their muscle and body bends, I've spent years studying male and female anatomy and muscle structure is so different that for VRchat it just doesn't feel fun enough to make a dude. with a woman I can easily make it via vertex modeling, vertex by vertex, with a male you're basically required to sculpt then retopo then sculpt the retopo etc I did it once never finished the face and haven't tried again, rest of my males have been Vroid with custom meshes added on top, only difference from a female is no boobs, which coincidentally means they are very comfortable to wear in VRchat like female models are psychologically, my least favorite is my newest most muscular one guess I just don't like pecs? At the end of the day for me at least I'm indifferent but spitefully so, I don't see my brain as either male or female, I see it as me, that's it, regardless if I have a shaft or boinkers. My world would be perfect if I just had another body, so hard to explain it but I want two of em to fit my ego, the one I'm in now and another completely opposite female one, not exactly trans as trans implies to remove my current body but I love this body it is great but man, having another to use when this one gets tired from working all day would be great but I digress- The only time that becomes an issue is if someone tells me I can't - I am not your human, I am not your garden, I am not your responsibility. rant over commissions below! Putting this at the end as a separate thing my commissions are wide open atm if you want a custom avatar hit me up Rasmodeus on discord join boneless' discord. I'm down to make some gorls and dudes if they aren't this muscular, -I can do Vroid faces +body($30+ PC $200+ Quest) -Custom abstract hard surface heads like No Mans Sky or my plague mask($50+PC $100 Quest Vroid body no transparency transparency removal adds $100, transparency avoidal is free) -Vroid to FBX fixes ($10) (small weight paint fixes included, not full rig it shouldn't be needed) -Custom body (range $100-$500) -rigging/weight painting (included in my models/models not by me cost $50 to paint, or more if it's complicated) -Texture painting $1-$100 (not too good at this, I did do my plague mask from scratch and I'm great at kitbashing if you bring the textures I can apply them, but don't expect makeup, skin blushing etc I mostly use cc0 textures or vroid ones though this is a per case thing send the idea before dismissing my ability I may just be able to pull it off! always looking for more experience as they say.) -Hair and makeup I"m looking for someone to teach me both, I have clip studio and substance painter and krita and a tablet butt I'm in desperate need to learn how to do digital make up and hair styling. -I do help for free as long as you listen and are respectful to my time, though donations once helped are greatly needed atm, I've helped over a thousand people make their avatars, indirectly like 2000 people via my tutorial and general direct assistance on discord without getting anything back for it. feel free to dm me on discord for help, to chat, pricing, or to setup a commission! Sorry for the long winded rant and the plug but this seems like a comfortable community and I stand by public forms being the best place to plug yourself as apposed to dms and such I hope you don't mind if you do dm me on discord or reply and I'll remove the commission plug.
i cant even find people to talk to, 90% of rooms are dead and the ones with people in them are either people running around saying nothing, screeching children, drunken singing and/or people talking to their friendzone, completely ignoring you. exact opposite of what i expected
i put this as the main reason GIRL FASHION IS 1000000000x lightyears ahead of male fashion it was this way in many mmo's looooong before vrchat was een a thing and guess what all the cool shit was usually always female
Being a crystal, or glass shadered male low poly avatar, removing facial features and overuly generalizing a male shape, made VRchat appealing to me and what I used for many years. Being faceless, yet represented as a male freed me from the confines of needing to be meticulous about how my avatar looked.
you know, ive been one here about a year now and went from a small, literal, duck to owning like 20 ducc avatars (all chicks) i try not to think about it too too much. its kinda been a thing since like IMVU, runescape, second life. I mean it def helped me realize i ton of things about myself but aye at the end of the day live and let live. oh and wonderful takes as usual, pretty good to talk about these things, but lets be real; its nothing too new
Always happy to see you here! I wanted to talk about IMVU specifically in this video but it wasn't something that I had personal experience with so I scrapped that part in favor of Halo
There's this thing about current day aestheticization that i really like to think about (just googled it right now and apparently it's mainly this Gilles Lipovetsky guy and this "L'esthétisation du monde" book, but i learned about it from a uni professor) The reason i think there's so many men in stuff like vrchat self-IDing with very feminine avatars is because this trend we have nowadays to care a lot about personal aesthetics started with women and only more recently became a thing for men too. For quite a while now women have been covering themselves in powder to look proper so they would attract suitors or whatever else were their worries back then, and now with consumerism, individualism and the valuing of uniqueness and personal expression this process of aestheticization of people is only growing. Because for a long time women's appearance was overvalued, we have developed a lot more language for feminine personal aesthetics, and have grown more accostumed to the aesthetics of femininity. So now there's a disproportionate ammount of men making female characters in videogames it's because when asked to customize their character we just have an easier time building that aesthetic identity using feminine looks and fashion than if we were to make the character more masculine. I'd go as far as to say that masculine aesthetics being underexplored is one of the reasons that fashion is increasingly "female or unisex". We are used to the aesthetic exploration of femininity so there are very few off-limits, and most of "masculine fashion" is cool and good for women while we are so alien to the aesthetic exploration of men that men wearing "feminine fashion" is crazy subversive and there's still people that say that caring about how one looks is "girly and gay".
This is a great representation of everything I've witnessed in my time on VRC. I started a long time ago, but dropped it because it was the era of Ugandan Knuckles, plus school. Over that time in VRC I watched myself grow from the person I was to the person I am now. I went through all of the phases, Deskie to Questie, Questie to Questie PCVR to Index + FBT. Now I'm onto my next step which is Quest Pro + FBT. It's crazy to see the change that this game has on people, and most of my friends say similar things, they like to wear female avatars because of the customization, the fact it's more optimized for VR and they look and just work better than a male base. All of that said, with the Halo Reach reference. A lot and I mean a lot of my friends wear Spartan Avatars, all for the look and customization. VR changes people, and I like to think for the better, but you always get those few cases. Anyway, love your work Boneless Tally ho
Back in Second Life I really enjoyed watching my cute female avatars way more than male ones, but in VRChat I find it much easier to talk to strangers when my voice matches my avatar appearance.
I'm typically a Rusk, Rindo, or a Bambi's Glacier Avatar. There was never any good male avatars I liked. I did use a Miyuki a long time ago which felt great because it was actually a soft-guy looking avatar with good asthetics, but the creator took them down due to the fear of rippers. Even now, there is a lack of good male avatars. The eboys are always over-the-top, robotic arms, weird body textures, or too edgy clothes. I tried making my own, but getting it to upload was incredibly difficult because you have to find up-to-date Unity and Blender tutorials. There's always things breaking and things not working correctly. I've never found a thorough video tutorial that explains how to make an avatar from fundamentals to Blender to Unity to VRC all in one long video. I've always had to piece tutorials together which never was consistent. I'd eventually give up and go back to being a pre-made Rindo, Rusk, or Glacier avatar. Male avatars are simple difficult to find that fit and meet the male-feel-connection. Personally I need an avatar that fits my voice, has an athletic body but is still soft-looking, has a good face with a hairstyle that resembles something I would have in real-life. The clothes I want is just something casual. Not something f-boys or over-the-top eboys would wear. A simple polo shirt with cacky pants works. Same goes for the shoes. Just normal sneakers is fine. A deal breaker for me is all the toggles need to come off because where's the fun if there's no DPS or TPS. An avatar feels incomplete without it. Not that I'd use it for raunchy purposes like all the degens out there. Its fun to have in case I want to pull funny jokes when around CG water or making size comparison jokes with friends. Overall, it's easier to be a lady avatar. There are many options and options that fit the right feels, asthetics, perceived-social-image, and social-reaction (where it's easier for people to talk to you and trust you). I can only wish there were male avatars that could do the same.
1:23 OH GOD! As an Xbox owner, part of me just died a little seeing that bill being inserted into the console. Even if that thing was broken and can't read disks no more, I still feel bad for it.
You forgot to mention the crucial fact about how the end of the japanese edo period and the meiji restoration led to guys using female avatars on vrchat
Putting money in the xbox was so funny!! I love your avatar, you look so cute! If I had to chose, I would 100% of the time chose a girl, and I am not transgender. I ALWAYS chose the woman character over the man. Some people overthink this a lot because it's really important to them. It's a preference thing, and the reasons behind this choice can vary wildly. Keep being yourself, you're funny!
I absolutly love your videos and this Video is the perfect example why. You make such high quality videos as if you would have doing it for years. I hope that you grow a big and nice community such as in this comment section! Love u guys. The contrast between your tracker video and this comment section is positivly insane. Wish u the best of luck!
This is the reason while I use VRoid, I am able to make a male avatar and customise it how I like it. Sure it looks not that good, but it gives me the custombility I can’t get anywhere else
There's something really satisfying about playing with your own chest as a female avatar in VR... and wearing cute outfits, swimwear, etc.. Then again, I could probably crossdress irl, though only for special occasions. Being a female avatar is just more fun than being some guy; making me something I'm not ever going to be physically (nor want to), and that's okay.
As a dude ive always felt more comfortable playing as a woman in video games, im not trans or anything like that and i dont have identity issues idk why but i just feel better that way
Luckily there's a few bases like Rindo or Grus (alongside the ones you mentioned) that with the right clothes/blendshape adjusts/hairstyles you can make them look pretty gender neutral, but it's true that I wish there were more good looking anime male bases, and the ones that exist had more customization options
This was a really well thought out video, and I loved the editing. I've always valued a e s t h e t h i c s over 'errythang so I never thought it was weird choosing female for stuff like WoW or whatever else. It's so crazy to me because I feel like this used to be the norm? Like GIRL used to be guy in real life and no one gave a shit. But now gender is such a hot topic that those types of people bring it up and make it into something it's not anyways spectacular video
I've wanted to get into vr chat but I'm so introverted it'd hard to reach out to people. Plus I would like to have a dude avatar personally, but being a crab also is pretty okay. Maybe if I can find a frog avatar that'll work
I've seen another video covering the exacts same topic some time ago. On point mentioned there, which I could strongly identify with, is that one might just feel more appriciated by others when playing with a female avatar. Also for me personally I feel that the look at my self in a female avatar helps me with confidence and resonates strongly with my feelings of lonelieness
i just started started VR chat, first 4 days was looking for a male avi thats not over the top or not weird looking, still havnt found one, but i did find girl avis that have good performance and lots of glowy parts and dances for clubs which is something i want to do cause i love techno and dance music. feel like i want to bribe the person who made the girls to make me an optimized male with the same features lol
Your journey in vrchat is the "U joined to troll and stayed for the rest" meme. And i deeply relate to it. Though for me it did make me question my gender a little bit
I have 10k hours in vrchat, I view my models like my wallpapers, usuallly just staring at it mindlessly in a mirror as i talk with friends because... it's nice to look at, as a dude i personally prefer to stare at an ideal anime girl vs a shirtless dude all day.
The funny thing is, im a trans man and I still use female avatars. They are a lot more aesthetically pleasing to their male counterparts. I usually am more along the lines of using femboy avatars because they are a good middle as I can still me cute while also being male but that’s just me. In conclusion wear whatever the f you want. It’s not that deep lol.
I spent a decent amount of money to commission someone to make me an 80s anime girl. I have no regrets. Always interested in the idea VR chat, but always leave the room before I can say one word.
the struggle to find a good male avi is real. as a trans guy i really dont want to use a female avi, im already forced to live in a woman's body all day so if i get the choice of course im going to go for a male avi, but good luck finding something also this isnt really just a VRchat thing i feel, a ton of games where you get to choose between male and female characters, female characters tend to have the best outfits lol
I think it's an escape from "being a man" in the real world... I identify as a male in real world but in VR as a female at this point, I feel comfortable with it, there's a lot of cool things with woman avatars and I love it, I even have my own avatar that's now part of my identity, my friends know me by it, it's... Mystik.
im not trans or anyone in the lgbt community but i do also use female characters in game because "small hitbox" but when it comes to action games i do play as a man because i imagine myself as my character but for casual games such as vrchat i play as an anime girl
Im just now starting my journey into vrchat/model making. Ive only watching 2 of your videos and im enticed by your style and the information you give. thank you for the guidance and humor!
I was in nagasaki last month and I agree it was definitely quite the experience to be at the hypocenter. Truly surprising how we went from that to all the great JP creators on VRChat and the avatars we use.
For some of us in the trans demographic, it's a bit of a relief for us to be able to be what we want to be within the virtual world. So it's kind of a calming feeling for us to be able to truly *feel*, so to speak, who we are inside (and out.)
The uncanny valley concept isn't great because the "Human Likeliness" value of the chart is entirely subjective. One could easily state that anything in the "uncanny valley" is creepy because it is NOT human-like, while the things before the valley are. To put it bluntly, anime avatars may simply seem more human to us than imperfect human-like robots. It doesn't really impact the message of this video, but it is still something that I want to point out.
6:05 my thoughts exactly, too much swole, emo shit, or small non gender ones, or lanky emo ones, even if I find one close to my ideal vision they have ears or it’s particle effects on load in with music that’s god knows what, I’ve found some close but then one or more of those issues pops up. If I want to be swole then I use doom avatars or a god of war avatar or high moon transformers avatars. Why not do what edgerunners did where the swole was all mechanical so at least it looks cool or better yet a avatar like edgerunners with the anime look but still looks like something you would see in the game without the anime filter on it (man I mentioned something niche, fuck it someone will somehow do it)
This is why for me, being a furry is good. I don't relate to those buff anime boys you can find everywhere, or any of the military type avatars. For I am not so buff. But I also don't want to walk around looking like an anime girl either. I do enjoy seeing them, so long as they are on someone else. Whoever want's to use one. I do like using something that some think is cute, wile not looking girly. And to me, a furry avatar fits. There is plenty of furry avatars, that can look cute, or basically non buff, wile also easy to not confuse with being female. If a guy want's to look female, that is fine by me. But I rather not, unless I am just being silly for fun. A thing I have done on a few rare occasions.
At first you would not even try, but after a while for some reason you do it anyway ... it is really hard to see yourself in the mirror .. can't do it for more than 2 minutes. But it was kind of cute ! .. so you try it again, and maybe dare to go to public lobbies ... nobody complains and it is an interesting experience. You change between avatars - male female male female ... but in the end it looks so much better. a new catgirl is here ... And it doesn't end here. you start to identify with your female body and start to move more female, act more like a girl. But do you feel gay ? not at all ! it is just normal. you became way more genderfluid than you ever expected. So why not ?
As a trans woman who has been watching a lot of your videos, genuinely thank you so much for calling out the transphobia. It is something I have had to deal with both in and out of VR, thankfully not as much recently because I am at the point where I pass pretty well but I have many trans friends who do not have that privilege, and VR is kind of a safe space for that expression.
@BonelessVR but tails come put the end of the spine in a straight line they're legit just long boi spines gah! (If it wasn't blazingly obvious, improper tailing, or tail abuse, is one of those *things*, yaknow, wunna dose tings that just niggles ya piggle yaknow)
there are twinky avatars if you look hard enough, but i did end up with a girl avatar as my main kinda sucks that i always get negative experiences using my girl avi and it does dig deep since I'm trans, so i just like chilling on my own or with my partner in vrc :3
In my experience, you either become a woman or a furry. For me it was the latter since there was a lot more support and customization than ye old stereotypically eboy avatar.
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What a handsome ketchup bottle
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Thanks.
pov quest users
soo u telling me because of a nuke i am now a catgirl on the internet
hahaha, the universe works in mysteries ways xD
Japan: If you nuke us, you will become more degenerate than you can possibly imagine.
Yes. Welcome to the butterfly effect
@@Wolfy1012thats the opposite of the butterfly effect. something catastrophically large culminating into something very trivial
Ur goddamn right
its rediculous how difficult it is to find a decent male avatar in VRChat....
just go to the avatar search world man, there's like millions of em
@@noodle714 Ive done that like 6 times, nothing on there but buff playboy models trying to throw their nuts in my face, male crasher avatars that a bright as fuck, awfully made avatars that look like it was thrown into a microwave for 5 minutes, skinny and lanky mfers with weird looking heads and off proportion bodys.
you get my point
just get a femboy, they're still males
Yea. That's why I use either a female or furry avatars. I just do not like the male avatars that are available right now.
TRUEEEEE. Even on Booth all the high quality male avatars look aggressively like bottoms.
dont really think i am trans but i am just a lot more comfortable being comfortable if i am using a female avatar
it's basically a break from having to "be a man" and all that shite. it's nice
That’s completely understandable and valid.
People often get confused and bothered but, identity and presentation dont have to correlate, and some people might like feminine presentation while still being confident in their gender. Taking a break from like all the ideas of self and just letting lose is always fun, no matter what kind of person you are
I feel the same dressed as a boy
Right, I get ya. Having to play the role of "masculinity" when you didn't ask for it in the first place can really be awfully stifling. I didn't want to be relied on to be a strong, powerful leader, or a big tough guy. It was like being shoved into clothes that didn't fit me very comfortably. I could wear them and not complain, but It wasn't very fun, and I felt awkward being percieved as what I was seen as.
VRChat one month in: using gorou from Genshin impact as my avatar
Two months in: found the mint base , used it and saw myself in a mirror *OH* moment
Three months in: I’m a vtuber now
Honestly I don’t regret anything it changed my whole life path and lead me to meet amazing people and make incredible friendships
This was an absolutely amazing and well-put-together video, and I can't wait to see more from you!
Drueww
edit bc idk if I'd ever get to tell you othereise: Your content is what finally inspired me to get vr and go and socialize. I've seen other people's funny moment type videos but it never really sold me on buying a headset or playing vrc. Idk if its a comfort thing with my own gender and seeing you not getting like immediately slandered when you drop to your natural speaking voice but your videos gave me the push
@@untamablewolfI feel the same way. His content helped me find my own voice and pushed me to voice train.
I sometimes “voice troll” too but it’s something I’ve had fun with and made me care less about negative reactions to my transness since I just treat my “guy voice” as a fun party trick I can do.
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Please upload more vids 🙏
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This is why I learned how to use blender. I straight up could not find an avatar that felt like it was me.
I'm not a pile of muscle, I'm not a tiny eboy, I'm not a tiny Knuckles, I'm not an amogus or master chief.
But I'm also not an anime girl, and seeing as I was pretty much out of options for premade avatars, I chose to make my own. And if I'm doing a custom job, might as well make it unique. Thankfully there are at least a few generic male bases on DeviantArt so I had somewhere to start.
Wishing I could post a picture of my avi in my comment. Even though the final product is rough around the edges, I am very happy with it. I can't see myself using another avatar, and one of my vr friends said they couldn't imagine me as anything else either.
But about getting started with the avatar creation pipeline... It's easy for me to say it was worth it, but I recognize how big the barrier to entry can be. Even for someone who had used CAD before (SolidWorks) and was familiar with working in 3D, it was hard to get started. I am extremely grateful for the tutorials out there.
If you don't like that idea and have some paper to spend, commisioning a custom avatar is always an option.
If you do want to go the creation route, my advice is to absorb tutorials like a sponge and make sure theyre specific to making avatars. "Vrchat avatar" is a popular search term so you'll get a lot of search results.
It's important to have an idea about what you want to make before you start.
But most importantly, take it easy. Don't rush through the steps, especially in blender, or else you'll find yourself going back to redo things several times (Tbh this might happen regardless of how careful you are). And you don't need to have it done in a week, take your time.
If you see it to completion, you'll have a kickass avi and gain some kickass artistic and technical skills.
I'll close off by saying everyone deserves an avatar that resonates with them. It represents you, after all. To anyone who's still looking for one, I'm rooting for your search!
Although VRChat is well-known in the trans community for making omelets, sometimes cis guys just want to look like cute anime girls, and that's valid. 🥚
Can confirm, I everyone wants to look cute! :3
i just wanna look like a dog person and recieve head pets from my lovely boyfriend
'xactly. I'm completely confident being a dude, but I've spent about 10 minutes in male avatars over my nearly 1000 hours in VRC lol
You can be a cute anime boy too. :(
As a transgirl... yea. Yea that's fine. It doesn't make you trans. Your very own personal reasons for choosing a girl is the thing, that might indicate that you're trans. Because in that case you might notice that it means more to you and go into thought spirals about why it might mean more to you. THAT is the indicator. Not that you find the avatar pretty and... why would you choose the (to you) uglier one
I approach this question with a tangential angle: the desire for cuteness. As you've said in the video, a lot of male avatars are geared more towards the "swole" side, and a lot of men just don't want to conform to that. A lot of men just want to be cute, but representations of cute men in avatars are rarer, and thus it's easier to default to the next best thing, that being cute female avatars.
I think the argument of the disparity in avatar support makes sense, tho it doesn't explain the large amount of VRChat users who just pick avatars from an avatar world and are more inclined towards choosing the cuter option. Still a valid point nonetheless.
There's a parallel to be made between female anime avis and furry avis. Furries also tend to often go towards seeking cuteness in how they represent themselves, and in a lot of cases it's even how they become furries in the first place. When you're not satisfied by the cuteness of human avatars as a whole, then the next best thing is a fluffy animal.
Great video, and as a trans person I must thank you for approaching the transphobia aspect with care ❤
furries are creepy to me. i never found them cute. the mixture of human and animal is uncanny. if it’s a pure animal avatar that’s fine. not if it’s on two legs
From the creator side i want to add that its way easier to hit uncanny valley making male avatar than female, it varies quite a lot
Meanwhile I'm already trans but have to represent myself with femboy avatars because nothing else really fits the way I wanna represent myself
This is why some people make their own avatar to hit exactly what they want (or pay someone to if they have money)
@@coltynstone-lamontagne im far too lazy to learn how to make my own avatar but also im far too broke to commission so I'm stuck lol
@@marioluigi27They're pretty generic but have you tried VRoid?
@@Keaninevroid is a godsend: sure, pure vroids might look generic in most cases but they can look way better, nothing like the typical "vroid look" if you put enough time and effort into it (and it's still easier than making avatars from scratch) ^^
@@Akab 100% it allows you to make a pretty basic but unique avatar as a begginer and if you really get into it you can make some pretty crazy stuff
I went into VRChat in 2020 to shitpost, and was incredibly uncomfortable initially with the idea of everyone being an anime girl. Now it feels weird to see male avatars in my own circles, tbh. One of my friends made a male version of his avatar, and whenever he switches to it we pull a Spongebob movie moment, like when King Neptune takes the paper bag off. Everyone's pointing and changing BALD! BALD! BALD! --we do that, except "MAN! MAN! MAN!" mostly because it's funny but also because it just stands out.
We're all confidently men, I think I heard it best in someone else's documentary on this subject. "I just want to be cute." Like you said, we're kinda socially conditioned as men to act a certain way, like certain things; the idea of masculinity has really devolved into something much more toxic than what it should be. VRChat won't make you a woman, or turn you gay or trans or what have you; but what it will do is open your mind.
7:09 Heyyy, that’s me! I appreciate the feature! I like using that avatar inside and outside of open mic events because I like to show people who I am inside and outside of VRChat. Some people tell me it gives them a sense of happiness to see someone being themselves. Feel free to ask me more questions!
Great video by the way, really touches base on what it is like for the transgender community on VRChat!
Edit: Fun fact: I actually have that same shirt, glasses, and earrings IRL
Also, I've observed a very simple, and it seems, obvious phenomenon: the female form in VRC is more approachable, and is immediately treated with more kindness.
As a relative newbie, a guy who only has about 500 hours in VRC, I've been quietly asking myself this question since the beginning. I've seen a number of my male friends switch to maining a female avi, and I've been curious as to what the psychology is to that. I think you covered a good chunk of it. But I think the simplest fact is most people who spend a lot of time in there enjoy being treated well, and sad to say.. we currently live in a society that is hostile to the male form. It's a nice change to be immediately, and constantly, treated with kindness.
Masculinity and the male form is often seen as inherently dangerous and violent, and no one wants to look intimidating and dangerous in vrchat, we wanna look cozy and friendly! Really hard to make your personal aesthetics click when there's a bunch of "angry grr smash stuff" energy emanating from your shoulder to hip ratio and your facial hair
@@AluRooftop Haha, this is now my favorite comment of all time!
Also, let's be honest. The "gamer community" is mostly dudes that like seeing girls.
You’re a genuine hidden gem in RUclips for VR related videos. I’m really glad I found you a few months ago and I’m still really dumbfounded how your channel isn’t bigger than it is! You deserve so many more subscribers 😭
The effort you put into every video is phenomenal 🥰❤️
we gettin there
going from talking about dudes who look like girls in video games from *spoilers*
world war fucking two was certainly the rollercoaster
Never let them know your next move
Finding a masculine avatar is super hard. They all have guns, camofage or no shirt. Most of the male avatars look like women dressed like guys, or just boys. If someone talented made good men (not boys) avatars they could corner the market. I'm stuck running around as a robot....
I haven't used VRChat since 2018, but my go to avatars were the Genie from Aladdin and Captain Ginyu from Dragon Ball 😄
Carl Jung already described humans as beings of duality in his anima and animus theory. VRChat tends to nurtures that part in us that is often repressed by societal norms and allows us to express ourselves in a (mostly) safe environment. And by doing so, I noticed that I'm now feeling much more confident taking on my more traditional roles IRL.
It helped me self-improve and foster some of the most beautiful friendships I've ever had.
Using mamehinata (and the like) brings out the loving, long lost inner child from us I found. It helps me slowly overcome being hateful and negative, just because you wouldn't say those things when using such a bright and friendly avatar.
when i first started playing vrchat i thought "the male avatars look gross compaired to everyone else " thats mainly because of the contrast it highlights between the female anime avi's and the memes and other stuff and im not used to a group of buff shirtless people telling me the most dumb stuff when vrchat is known for the memes and anime girls. when i started playing
I made a vroid model and worked on custom textures like hair,ears,hoodie and shoes and im really proud of it and would use it as my main avatar but then the eyes got super wonky when following a youtube video for blender and testing it in vrchat desktop. Then my laptop screen broke and i couldn't finish the model and any tweaks in blender. still got it in a sd card somwhere might get to it someday.
i feel like ive been rambling well hoped you liked the comment. Yay cool bye
yeah, vroid seems to the the only option if you want a custom avi that's male and isn't really weird. I wish there was another option, but it's a pretty good only option
The title brought me, and the video kept me here. Great job on it!
I will admit as a child I always picked male avatars to match myself, but as I grew older I started liking female characters more and more because first, they tend to have really cool customization options, and second, I feel like just seeing ourselves as the opposite gender helps us explore parts of ourselves that we may normally ignore or hide, even from ourselves. It's like looking so different from our usual self helps us BE different.
Also, especially if it's a 3rd person game, I'd much rather look at something I'm attracted to for multiple hours instead of something I'm not
@@BobOrKlausThat's actually why Lara Croft isn't Larry Croft.
One of the original devs said in an interview at the time "if you're going to be staring at a bum for the next twenty hours, it may as well be a nice one."
It stuck with me, partially because of how casually transparent he was about it, which I was not used to.
There is an outsider view of VRChat that has a huge stigma about males using female avatars, mostly popularized by the years-old and stale joke of a male sounding a lot like a female by disguising their voice and trolling someone. Often it is one of these videos that most people see when they are introduced to VRChat, and even though people have been making them for six long years at this point, they're still one of the most common videos found when searching for VRChat videos. Because of that, there is a huge misconception of what it means to wear a female avatar in VRChat, most of which comes from people who never play or play VRChat very little. I just want to give a heartfelt thank you for this video, which goes beyond this surface-level understanding of the phenomena and attempts to explain the nuanced atmosphere present on the platform. I wish it could be as popular as the other videos, and I really wish we could have calm and intelligent videos like it instead of the endless stream of voice trolling and knee-jerk reaction vids that I feel lead to such phobias. Good job.
We like girls not men that's probably why being in a girl body is so intresting and attractive to us 🤣
It's interesting you say that.
In flatscreen games, I play as the ladies whenever there's an option. And to my recollection, I rolled that way pre-puberty too. Not just because Toadstool was the easiest character to play in Super Mario 2, I just liked playing as girls.
In VR, I play as dudes. Girl avatars are kinda weird and just feel wrong. My shoulders aren't supposed to be that narrow, my chest isn't supposed to be that honkable, my ass ain't supposed to be that round. It gives me the heebie-jeebies when I look down and see some chick where I belong.
If this is how transgender folks feel in meatspace, then... ummm... yeah. Having to live like that all the time sounds horrifying.
While we’re talking avatars, let me give a further shout out to my furry and trans furry homies. I am neither, but I appreciate that y’all are some of the nicest, most pleasant, chillest people I’ve hung out with in VRC and some good new friends.
Ew?
Lmao, the ew response. Never thought that one word with emotion really gives us the whole message of different ways of how the comment is interpreted.
@@RTMonitorOne of the millions of people who mix being a furry and a zoophile, not very rare to see.
@@DarlingKermity its ok, my mom said the same thing when i was born!
It's hard to find male avatar that's normal.
You'll have easier time going for tomboy female model instead.
And if anime aesthetic aren't a must then there male video game characters models rip since that seem to be the only source of normal male avatar.
That is Half life models are pretty nice.
Mad respect for the comments towards the end of this video. Good shit boneless. Glad i found you.
Gotta be honest, I played vrchat only a few times and I picked a female avatar because it looked better. Though I have to use my voice or creeps start trying to get under me and look up my dress. That's the one time I think I understood why women fear walking alone.
I myself don't really care about the aesthetic of my avatar when I can't see it. I care more about functionality in VR and how I can interact with things. That's why I play simulators and shooters more so than social games.
Either way, you are doing good videos even if having a female avatar is slightly weird.
8:32 vrc did the same for me, i was oppressed most of my life by the people around me and the virtual space was the first time i felt i was somewhere far away not needing to decide right from wrong or should and shouldnts i could just be myself and see if i really was the problem and i made alot of friends doing so and the more i opened up my shell the happier people were to see it but it sadly didnt apply well to the world outside of the vr space. i was told i was a stranger and ridiculed so i was forced to find a middle point. the bright side is i mostly listen to myself now with the peace of knowing im not crazy or weird as people tried to manipulate me to believe
I've seen so many videos on this exact topic but this is by far the best, with the most information and in a shorter engaging time as well. One of the better youtube videos I've found in a while, I hope your channel blows up!!!
Tbh your avatar is one of the reasons I've stick to your channel, the surprise of seeing a female character with a male voice was something super interesting at first and made me stay lol but I'm in the group that feels more comfortable with female avatars, it adds a bit of the "escape-from-reality" scenario and not having to follow stereotypes.
In my opinion, I always was a woman, but I was just put into a body that isn’t me. Either way, I feel like VrChat can allow people to try out certain aesthetics, while others like me use it to make their avatar as the body they want. It’s amazing, honestly.
This is why we need more femboys
The female avatar is how it starts then you wear thigh high socks, then you cossplay as your avatar at twitchcon, then when you get home you wear short shorts with the thigh high socks to relax because pants dont feel comfy anymore!! 😶
honestly i cant be asked to dig throught the weirdos to get that vrchat experience that everybody had in its og 3 years of release.
"bla bla bla, Rindo exists because of a nuclear bomb" has got to be one of the funniest things ive heard ever xd
Wow, another nice video Boneless. I can fully relate to a lot of what you have said, and trust you for what I still don't fully understand. In Mass Effect, I tried to play as Male Shepherd, but found I could not relate to the voice (although Mark Meer is an awesome voice talent...just not what I could relate to). But I could relate to the voice of FemShep, Jennifer Hale, and felt she was able to hold a stronger "total paragon" position (the way I play), so she became my main character throughout the trilogy. In VRChat, I have a male avatar, identify as a cis-male LGBTQ+ ally, have a number of Trans friends at the Trans Academy, and feel more accepted as an individual than I have in years (and I am 62 yo, which is saying something). I admit I did not like the way that some viewers were criticizing you for your choice of avatar from your last video, but was very pleased to see how much support you got (sorry I didn't say anything, but I saw that tons of people had you covered). Keep up the great work, Boneless...always looking forward to your videos!
You forgot about the group that just doesn't care and uses any / whatever avi they like or can get
2:38 ????? How did we went from "a lot of guys have female avatars in vr" to 1945 and nuclear bomb??????
I can't even begin to thank you for the incredible content you make man, small or not; in my eyes this is one of, if not the best VR(C) channels on YT. you deserve two extra zeros on that 5.28K! I've seen your videos pop-up multiple times over the past year, but I never watched any of them until last month while I was recovering from surgery, and man did you put a smile on my face. I literally had to pause one of your videos just to stop the pain from laughing. this video was lovely besides the random microphone changes, the perfect mixture of education, comedy, conversational topics, relatability, information, and etc. yada yada yada, I'm in love with this channel and ever since your videos helped me recover, I look forward to every video you post in the future and wish nothing but the best for you and the channel! this video does not only succeed at making me smile, laugh, think, and relate; but it also makes me feel like I'm having a conversation though it's only one person talking! I'd love to actually have a conversation with you some day, but until then I'll just keep watching these crazy good videos when you keep posting! if you do read all of this, thank you for what you do, and seriously don't stop! much love
Maybe conversation is closer than you think. I won’t reveal how, but you can find it. I’ve been able to talk to Boneless plenty coming as just a RUclips fan!
Thank you
@cupthulhu904 what on earth do you mean "won't reveal how"? Mans literally got a discord in the description!
@@islimpycat :3
@@islimpycat I already found it as soon as he commented, no worries🤣
as an eight year blender artist, and a 2 year VRchat avatar creator the very complex answer short is : men with muscles are hard to make move right, men without muscles are just women unless you're making a nsfw model. (not calling them women because they are weak but because they are physically identical in a mesh standpoint, rounded edges easy weight painting etc I see no difference from a cup and a doughnut.
I started off trying to make a short film, but the first requirement of a dude caused eight years of study and practice and the only part I "finished" was his mask. (my pfp, coincidentally a screenshot of my female character in Hogwarts Legacy with my custom plague mask I modded in myself. I had picked a in game mask to replace that didn't mesh well with both genders, male characters didn't get the mask applied correctly haha)
Genuinely it takes near zero knowledge of female anatomy to make a model, a simple still image is enough, two if you're a professional (front, side) the issue with males is you need dozens of references basically of every single keyframe a user could make of HOW their muscle and body bends, I've spent years studying male and female anatomy and muscle structure is so different that for VRchat it just doesn't feel fun enough to make a dude. with a woman I can easily make it via vertex modeling, vertex by vertex, with a male you're basically required to sculpt then retopo then sculpt the retopo etc I did it once never finished the face and haven't tried again, rest of my males have been Vroid with custom meshes added on top, only difference from a female is no boobs, which coincidentally means they are very comfortable to wear in VRchat like female models are psychologically, my least favorite is my newest most muscular one guess I just don't like pecs?
At the end of the day for me at least I'm indifferent but spitefully so, I don't see my brain as either male or female, I see it as me, that's it, regardless if I have a shaft or boinkers. My world would be perfect if I just had another body, so hard to explain it but I want two of em to fit my ego, the one I'm in now and another completely opposite female one, not exactly trans as trans implies to remove my current body but I love this body it is great but man, having another to use when this one gets tired from working all day would be great but I digress- The only time that becomes an issue is if someone tells me I can't - I am not your human, I am not your garden, I am not your responsibility. rant over commissions below!
Putting this at the end as a separate thing my commissions are wide open atm if you want a custom avatar hit me up Rasmodeus on discord join boneless' discord. I'm down to make some gorls and dudes if they aren't this muscular,
-I can do Vroid faces +body($30+ PC $200+ Quest)
-Custom abstract hard surface heads like No Mans Sky or my plague mask($50+PC $100 Quest Vroid body no transparency transparency removal adds $100, transparency avoidal is free)
-Vroid to FBX fixes ($10) (small weight paint fixes included, not full rig it shouldn't be needed)
-Custom body (range $100-$500)
-rigging/weight painting (included in my models/models not by me cost $50 to paint, or more if it's complicated)
-Texture painting $1-$100 (not too good at this, I did do my plague mask from scratch and I'm great at kitbashing if you bring the textures I can apply them, but don't expect makeup, skin blushing etc I mostly use cc0 textures or vroid ones though this is a per case thing send the idea before dismissing my ability I may just be able to pull it off! always looking for more experience as they say.)
-Hair and makeup I"m looking for someone to teach me both, I have clip studio and substance painter and krita and a tablet butt I'm in desperate need to learn how to do digital make up and hair styling.
-I do help for free as long as you listen and are respectful to my time, though donations once helped are greatly needed atm, I've helped over a thousand people make their avatars, indirectly like 2000 people via my tutorial and general direct assistance on discord without getting anything back for it. feel free to dm me on discord for help, to chat, pricing, or to setup a commission!
Sorry for the long winded rant and the plug but this seems like a comfortable community and I stand by public forms being the best place to plug yourself as apposed to dms and such I hope you don't mind if you do dm me on discord or reply and I'll remove the commission plug.
i cant even find people to talk to, 90% of rooms are dead and the ones with people in them are either people running around saying nothing, screeching children, drunken singing and/or people talking to their friendzone, completely ignoring you.
exact opposite of what i expected
"Something something, Rindo exists because of a nuclear bomb" is a quote of all time
I play as them because they're hot lol.
chad
i put this as the main reason GIRL FASHION IS 1000000000x lightyears ahead of male fashion it was this way in many mmo's looooong before vrchat was een a thing and guess what all the cool shit was usually always female
honestly this should be "vrchat will make you a woman or a furry"
True
Or both!
as a 1.87cm man
i love becoming baby goro or a tiny cat in vrchat
Being a crystal, or glass shadered male low poly avatar, removing facial features and overuly generalizing a male shape, made VRchat appealing to me and what I used for many years.
Being faceless, yet represented as a male freed me from the confines of needing to be meticulous about how my avatar looked.
you know, ive been one here about a year now and went from a small, literal, duck to owning like 20 ducc avatars (all chicks) i try not to think about it too too much. its kinda been a thing since like IMVU, runescape, second life. I mean it def helped me realize i ton of things about myself but aye at the end of the day live and let live. oh and wonderful takes as usual, pretty good to talk about these things, but lets be real; its nothing too new
Always happy to see you here! I wanted to talk about IMVU specifically in this video but it wasn't something that I had personal experience with so I scrapped that part in favor of Halo
There's this thing about current day aestheticization that i really like to think about
(just googled it right now and apparently it's mainly this Gilles Lipovetsky guy and this "L'esthétisation du monde" book, but i learned about it from a uni professor)
The reason i think there's so many men in stuff like vrchat self-IDing with very feminine avatars is because this trend we have nowadays to care a lot about personal aesthetics started with women and only more recently became a thing for men too.
For quite a while now women have been covering themselves in powder to look proper so they would attract suitors or whatever else were their worries back then, and now with consumerism, individualism and the valuing of uniqueness and personal expression this process of aestheticization of people is only growing.
Because for a long time women's appearance was overvalued, we have developed a lot more language for feminine personal aesthetics, and have grown more accostumed to the aesthetics of femininity.
So now there's a disproportionate ammount of men making female characters in videogames it's because when asked to customize their character we just have an easier time building that aesthetic identity using feminine looks and fashion than if we were to make the character more masculine.
I'd go as far as to say that masculine aesthetics being underexplored is one of the reasons that fashion is increasingly "female or unisex". We are used to the aesthetic exploration of femininity so there are very few off-limits, and most of "masculine fashion" is cool and good for women while we are so alien to the aesthetic exploration of men that men wearing "feminine fashion" is crazy subversive and there's still people that say that caring about how one looks is "girly and gay".
We use female avatars because when we look into the mirrors we want to see something pretty looking back.
This is a great representation of everything I've witnessed in my time on VRC. I started a long time ago, but dropped it because it was the era of Ugandan Knuckles, plus school. Over that time in VRC I watched myself grow from the person I was to the person I am now. I went through all of the phases, Deskie to Questie, Questie to Questie PCVR to Index + FBT. Now I'm onto my next step which is Quest Pro + FBT. It's crazy to see the change that this game has on people, and most of my friends say similar things, they like to wear female avatars because of the customization, the fact it's more optimized for VR and they look and just work better than a male base. All of that said, with the Halo Reach reference. A lot and I mean a lot of my friends wear Spartan Avatars, all for the look and customization.
VR changes people, and I like to think for the better, but you always get those few cases. Anyway, love your work Boneless
Tally ho
Back in Second Life I really enjoyed watching my cute female avatars way more than male ones, but in VRChat I find it much easier to talk to strangers when my voice matches my avatar appearance.
6:19 -- Hey, I know that world! :D
Hope you guys enjoyed your time in Sunset, by the by.
Edit: 8:05 -- I know that floor!
Hey it's our world >:3
I'm typically a Rusk, Rindo, or a Bambi's Glacier Avatar. There was never any good male avatars I liked. I did use a Miyuki a long time ago which felt great because it was actually a soft-guy looking avatar with good asthetics, but the creator took them down due to the fear of rippers. Even now, there is a lack of good male avatars. The eboys are always over-the-top, robotic arms, weird body textures, or too edgy clothes. I tried making my own, but getting it to upload was incredibly difficult because you have to find up-to-date Unity and Blender tutorials. There's always things breaking and things not working correctly. I've never found a thorough video tutorial that explains how to make an avatar from fundamentals to Blender to Unity to VRC all in one long video. I've always had to piece tutorials together which never was consistent. I'd eventually give up and go back to being a pre-made Rindo, Rusk, or Glacier avatar. Male avatars are simple difficult to find that fit and meet the male-feel-connection. Personally I need an avatar that fits my voice, has an athletic body but is still soft-looking, has a good face with a hairstyle that resembles something I would have in real-life. The clothes I want is just something casual. Not something f-boys or over-the-top eboys would wear. A simple polo shirt with cacky pants works. Same goes for the shoes. Just normal sneakers is fine. A deal breaker for me is all the toggles need to come off because where's the fun if there's no DPS or TPS. An avatar feels incomplete without it. Not that I'd use it for raunchy purposes like all the degens out there. Its fun to have in case I want to pull funny jokes when around CG water or making size comparison jokes with friends. Overall, it's easier to be a lady avatar. There are many options and options that fit the right feels, asthetics, perceived-social-image, and social-reaction (where it's easier for people to talk to you and trust you). I can only wish there were male avatars that could do the same.
HOW did this go from vrchat to world war to hiroshima to japan to anime and back to vrchat💀💀💀💀
1:23 OH GOD! As an Xbox owner, part of me just died a little seeing that bill being inserted into the console.
Even if that thing was broken and can't read disks no more, I still feel bad for it.
One way to find good male avatars is by looking up game characters. While you won't be the most unique, it's at least another option
You forgot to mention the crucial fact about how the end of the japanese edo period and the meiji restoration led to guys using female avatars on vrchat
Putting money in the xbox was so funny!!
I love your avatar, you look so cute!
If I had to chose, I would 100% of the time chose a girl, and I am not transgender. I ALWAYS chose the woman character over the man.
Some people overthink this a lot because it's really important to them.
It's a preference thing, and the reasons behind this choice can vary wildly.
Keep being yourself, you're funny!
him: talking about nuclear weapons
me: WTF DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH FEMBOYS
this is a joke
I always pick a funny weird avatar, I don’t really get the whole anime thing it’s looks decent but people are obsessed with it
I absolutly love your videos and this Video is the perfect example why. You make such high quality videos as if you would have doing it for years. I hope that you grow a big and nice community such as in this comment section! Love u guys. The contrast between your tracker video and this comment section is positivly insane. Wish u the best of luck!
people try on female avatars and realized that they're more comfortable in a woman's body is awesome sauce
This is the reason while I use VRoid, I am able to make a male avatar and customise it how I like it. Sure it looks not that good, but it gives me the custombility I can’t get anywhere else
There's something really satisfying about playing with your own chest as a female avatar in VR... and wearing cute outfits, swimwear, etc.. Then again, I could probably crossdress irl, though only for special occasions.
Being a female avatar is just more fun than being some guy; making me something I'm not ever going to be physically (nor want to), and that's okay.
As a dude ive always felt more comfortable playing as a woman in video games, im not trans or anything like that and i dont have identity issues idk why but i just feel better that way
Luckily there's a few bases like Rindo or Grus (alongside the ones you mentioned) that with the right clothes/blendshape adjusts/hairstyles you can make them look pretty gender neutral, but it's true that I wish there were more good looking anime male bases, and the ones that exist had more customization options
This was a really well thought out video, and I loved the editing. I've always valued a e s t h e t h i c s over 'errythang so I never thought it was weird choosing female for stuff like WoW or whatever else. It's so crazy to me because I feel like this used to be the norm? Like GIRL used to be guy in real life and no one gave a shit. But now gender is such a hot topic that those types of people bring it up and make it into something it's not
anyways spectacular video
I've wanted to get into vr chat but I'm so introverted it'd hard to reach out to people. Plus I would like to have a dude avatar personally, but being a crab also is pretty okay. Maybe if I can find a frog avatar that'll work
You know its good when the question of why guys in games pick female characters, starts with the opening of the Goddamn trinity test
I've seen another video covering the exacts same topic some time ago. On point mentioned there, which I could strongly identify with, is that one might just feel more appriciated by others when playing with a female avatar. Also for me personally I feel that the look at my self in a female avatar helps me with confidence and resonates strongly with my feelings of lonelieness
i just started started VR chat, first 4 days was looking for a male avi thats not over the top or not weird looking, still havnt found one, but i did find girl avis that have good performance and lots of glowy parts and dances for clubs which is something i want to do cause i love techno and dance music. feel like i want to bribe the person who made the girls to make me an optimized male with the same features lol
Your journey in vrchat is the "U joined to troll and stayed for the rest" meme. And i deeply relate to it. Though for me it did make me question my gender a little bit
I have 10k hours in vrchat, I view my models like my wallpapers, usuallly just staring at it mindlessly in a mirror as i talk with friends because... it's nice to look at, as a dude i personally prefer to stare at an ideal anime girl vs a shirtless dude all day.
Womans make me vrchat.
The funny thing is, im a trans man and I still use female avatars. They are a lot more aesthetically pleasing to their male counterparts. I usually am more along the lines of using femboy avatars because they are a good middle as I can still me cute while also being male but that’s just me.
In conclusion wear whatever the f you want. It’s not that deep lol.
I spent a decent amount of money to commission someone to make me an 80s anime girl. I have no regrets. Always interested in the idea VR chat, but always leave the room before I can say one word.
"Around 3 out of 4 people with shafts use female avatars, let's find out why!
... in 1945, the world superpowers were engulfed-"
WOAH WOAH WOAH
the struggle to find a good male avi is real. as a trans guy i really dont want to use a female avi, im already forced to live in a woman's body all day so if i get the choice of course im going to go for a male avi, but good luck finding something
also this isnt really just a VRchat thing i feel, a ton of games where you get to choose between male and female characters, female characters tend to have the best outfits lol
I think it's an escape from "being a man" in the real world...
I identify as a male in real world but in VR as a female at this point, I feel comfortable with it, there's a lot of cool things with woman avatars and I love it, I even have my own avatar that's now part of my identity, my friends know me by it, it's... Mystik.
im not trans or anyone in the lgbt community but i do also use female characters in game because "small hitbox" but when it comes to action games i do play as a man because i imagine myself as my character but for casual games such as vrchat i play as an anime girl
Im just now starting my journey into vrchat/model making. Ive only watching 2 of your videos and im enticed by your style and the information you give. thank you for the guidance and humor!
whenever you just transition to world events I have to pause the video to laugh
7:40 *860hp Volvo wagon vs McLaren 570S Spider *
I was in nagasaki last month and I agree it was definitely quite the experience to be at the hypocenter.
Truly surprising how we went from that to all the great JP creators on VRChat and the avatars we use.
This is the best "clickbait" I've ever clicked on 11/10.
dude if you know that old video of burntrap playing bad to the bone, im still using that avatar
For some of us in the trans demographic, it's a bit of a relief for us to be able to be what we want to be within the virtual world. So it's kind of a calming feeling for us to be able to truly *feel*, so to speak, who we are inside (and out.)
great video, also great tail. what asset is that?
I did not expect this to be a very well done video essay, great work my guy
The uncanny valley concept isn't great because the "Human Likeliness" value of the chart is entirely subjective. One could easily state that anything in the "uncanny valley" is creepy because it is NOT human-like, while the things before the valley are. To put it bluntly, anime avatars may simply seem more human to us than imperfect human-like robots.
It doesn't really impact the message of this video, but it is still something that I want to point out.
6:05 my thoughts exactly, too much swole, emo shit, or small non gender ones, or lanky emo ones, even if I find one close to my ideal vision they have ears or it’s particle effects on load in with music that’s god knows what, I’ve found some close but then one or more of those issues pops up. If I want to be swole then I use doom avatars or a god of war avatar or high moon transformers avatars. Why not do what edgerunners did where the swole was all mechanical so at least it looks cool or better yet a avatar like edgerunners with the anime look but still looks like something you would see in the game without the anime filter on it (man I mentioned something niche, fuck it someone will somehow do it)
You had to have been cackling during editing that transition from vr chat digital crossdressing (sorta) to little boy and fat man footage.
I was wondering why so many men in VR chat look like honry chicks... it really seems to attract a certain 'type' of person.
This is why for me, being a furry is good. I don't relate to those buff anime boys you can find everywhere, or any of the military type avatars. For I am not so buff. But I also don't want to walk around looking like an anime girl either.
I do enjoy seeing them, so long as they are on someone else. Whoever want's to use one.
I do like using something that some think is cute, wile not looking girly. And to me, a furry avatar fits. There is plenty of furry avatars, that can look cute, or basically non buff, wile also easy to not confuse with being female.
If a guy want's to look female, that is fine by me. But I rather not, unless I am just being silly for fun. A thing I have done on a few rare occasions.
At first you would not even try, but after a while for some reason you do it anyway ... it is really hard to see yourself in the mirror .. can't do it for more than 2 minutes. But it was kind of cute ! .. so you try it again, and maybe dare to go to public lobbies ... nobody complains and it is an interesting experience. You change between avatars - male female male female ... but in the end it looks so much better. a new catgirl is here ...
And it doesn't end here. you start to identify with your female body and start to move more female, act more like a girl. But do you feel gay ? not at all ! it is just normal. you became way more genderfluid than you ever expected. So why not ?
If those allegations are that you make based and awesome content then absolutely!
As a trans woman who has been watching a lot of your videos, genuinely thank you so much for calling out the transphobia. It is something I have had to deal with both in and out of VR, thankfully not as much recently because I am at the point where I pass pretty well but I have many trans friends who do not have that privilege, and VR is kind of a safe space for that expression.
WHY DOES THE TAIL COME OUT OF THE MIDDLE OF THE SPINE ISTG IMA GONNA COMMIT AN UNSAVORY ACT UPON MY BONELESS SHRINE SO HELP ME
It's hard to tell with the outfit but it comes out just above her butt haha
@BonelessVR but tails come put the end of the spine in a straight line they're legit just long boi spines gah!
(If it wasn't blazingly obvious, improper tailing, or tail abuse, is one of those *things*, yaknow, wunna dose tings that just niggles ya piggle yaknow)
there are twinky avatars if you look hard enough, but i did end up with a girl avatar as my main
kinda sucks that i always get negative experiences using my girl avi and it does dig deep since I'm trans, so i just like chilling on my own or with my partner in vrc :3
In my experience, you either become a woman or a furry. For me it was the latter since there was a lot more support and customization than ye old stereotypically eboy avatar.