This is what you call one of those rare 10/10 videos on youtube. If this is a subject matter you require to learn, this video does the perfect job of giving you your lesson. Excellent and very well spoken and explained to anyone who needs this info
“There are meant to be 12” of travel... to try and utilize the maximum amount of that stroke” something I’ve never heard and excellent advice to keep in mind when setting suspension!
I found this to be super informative, even though it’s gonna take me 10 or more times to really understand everything! Thanks a lot for making it and I’m looking forward to checking out the rear shock one
Amazing!!!!!!! This video was very helpful. Up until today my suspension has been very harsh feeling. This video was super helpful and now my suspension is smooth like butter. Keep up the good work
From my experience: I go a long time between maintenance too. My 2002 Yamaha YZ250 (2 stroke) keeps going! BUT when I do tear it down and go through everything it really does run and handle better. So I’m happy it just runs no matter... but I should give it more TLC as it pays me back for my effort. I am for the first time buying a new bike.... I deserve it! 2021 YZ250FX should have it in May depending on Yamaha. This is also my first 4 stroke!
Only using half of the travel on my 2022 WR450 with compression and rebound all the way out. I'm in pain for days after a days trail riding. Already tried bleeding the air and straightening the forks. Next step is a softer spring, re-valve and lighter oil but I'm dreading doing it myself.
Mine are still stiff after your advice and how do i add air to these forks? Bought a second hand bike ane the fork is really stiff and i dont understand these fork. 2007 ktm250 exc
HI! Not sure if I can get answer. MY suspension is too hard feel for me, I have a heavy Zero electric motorcycle with Showa front and rear suspension. Without the ziptie just watching how clean the surface I see only 5 cm 1-2 inch travel at front suspension, I want to make it softer, but there is an other issue I have to solve too. My model is the S and the same frame used for DS model, the DS (dualsport) has a longer front fork and bigger font tire so frame geometry ismuch beter if front fork is longer. On my S model I always slipping to the front and all my weight is on my nuts.... I want to have the front fork as long as possible. So I am afraid if I make the front suspension softer I would have shorter fork due to lower position at smae weight. Is there a solution using copression setting on bottom and S/H on top to have it higher position but softer damping?
On a 2019 WP AER 48's I was a Comfort level 17/17 clicks... I put to Standard today. Which is 12/12 clicks. I don't race, but Enduro ride the 300XC on over logs and trails, cornering ect... Im 198lbs. Would you suggest I do the Rebound to 15? So its 12 Compression and 15 Rebound so the front forks Rebound quicker back out? Your input would be great. Thanks
Hello I have been scouring the interent the tuning mechnism on my left fork seems to be broke i hear clicks but it never get stiffer no matter which way i turn i can turn it indefinitely was not always like this the right one
Is that normal to have 465mm springs in a fork that should have 485mm??? I just change oil and seal on my fork and I realize that the guy who have rebuild my fork have put spring too short, If I refer to manual and fork spring catalogue I find online, the spring look to be for a 2014 300 XC KTM where I think they put the 4CS on, my 2012 have the `closed chamber` forks and the 485mm one! Thank you
I wanna know how much it should compress over a jump.... I hit a 30 footer step up landing on relatively flat ground, and the wheel is like 2-3 inches away from the fender.... I weigh 130 and it’s an 04 kx 125..... I know it’s meant to use all the travel, it just feels like it compresses to much for a not to big jump
Just had my fork seals serviced and now my forks don't extend fully or rebound all they way out. Is this a rebound adjustment? It's on a 2015 kx450 1 side is air fork other is compression. Would appreciate any help thanks
Don't be scared to tweak your suspension with the clicks and stuff You bikes manual usually will have instructions to reset to what the book may call the "stock setting" that your forks have when built straight outta the factory It will feel exactly like it did the day you first tried it
It depends if the fork has a high speed and low-speed adjuster, or just a standard compression adjuster. If it's just a compression adjuster, it adjusts both in a sense but if it has separate labeled ones, they effect what they're labeled to.
@@mxgryan So you dont know what youre talking about..... The smallest Adjustments can change the whole feel of a bike. Better learn to ride properly, then you could try to talk shit on the internet and still fail
@@Strasky_96 lol, thats ABSOLUTELY false. You obviously don't understand what a clicker is how it works. Come back and talk to me when youre grown up, or maybe when you have Race Tech and KTM training certs. Until then, screw off, troll.
@@mxgryan Cry in your mothers lap, better try and afford a bike and learning standard shit every pro uses, then you can talk to me. Oh and take that stick out of your ass, it may get stuck if you keep it in too long.
So how do i know if my front is too stiff? It feels stiff but its my first race bike. I can barely push it down. I have a crf250r 2017. I weight 140 abt 155 with gear. I have my front clickers at 14, my compression in rear at 14, and rebound rear at 16. Front psi is 150 psi top and bottom, and the outer chamber, or
unscrew cap and drain oil. Then stuff the fork with foam from a pillow or mattress and screw cap back on. You need to test it and then add more foam or remove. If you require harder forks than how they are with oil, thenyou can add the foam to the oil. I suggest you stick with the manufacturers foam for the bike you are on. Yamaspounge is excellent for YZ. Just ask your local bike dealer
@@privateperson299 Does the type of feathers in the pillow make a difference, I think they use duck down in the Yami ZY, which allows for less oil travel as opposed to chicken feathers. Let me sleep on it.....
I am on a yz250f My friend and i where messing with the suspention and i think we went uneven amount of clicks on the suspention. How to i make sure the hardness and softness is equal on suspenion?
@@kylejohnson9510 The Dude said screw the adjuster in until it reach's its limit (the End). then back it out and count the clicks. Do this on each side you will have even Firmness. Best of Luck.
I only use half of my travel no matter what i do. Even with the compression all the way out. I've changed the oil, bushings and seals. I even removed a shim. I can't figure out why. I've been messing with it since i got it.
john Franklin what’s the model? Oil height and are you torquing the triple clamp bolts to the OEM specs? If the lower clamp is too tight, it’ll restrict the movement of the fork.
@@vitalmx it's a 2002 yz250 with kayaba 46mm forks. 80- 150 with the standard oil level at 135. I have it at about 140 right now. It had more oil, but i took some out. It had 10wt, but i changed it to 5wt. I don't remember the torque specs, but I've taken them off a dozen times. I just tighten them to how tight i know they were torqued at before. I don't over tighten though. I took out the cartridge. I couldn't find the info or any videos on how to open the cartridge though, and i didn't want to mess it up. All of the o rings and rubber that i did see looked they were in good condition though. Both forks worked the exact same. The only difference is that one has a bit of stiction at a certain point in the down stroke. The spring isn't marked, but my manual says the standard spring has no markings. I'm at the top of the weight bracket for the standard springs.
Too simply explained. There is a high and low speed compression valves. If low speed is too fast, a screw gives you only high speed harshness, but do nothing or little effect with low speed bottoming out on jumps and whoops. In that case you need add some shims to low speed compression valve. Also an oil level plays major role with bottoming. Stiffer spring and lower oil level also gives a plushier mid stroke feeling.
On a 2019 WP AER 48's I was a Comfort level 17/17 clicks... I put to Standard today. Which is 12/12 clicks. I don't race, but Enduro ride the 300XC on over logs and trails, cornering ect... Im 198lbs. Would you suggest I do the Rebound to 15? So its 12 Compression and 15 Rebound so the front forks Rebound quicker back out? Your input would be great. Thanks
This is what you call one of those rare 10/10 videos on youtube. If this is a subject matter you require to learn, this video does the perfect job of giving you your lesson. Excellent and very well spoken and explained to anyone who needs this info
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“There are meant to be 12” of travel... to try and utilize the maximum amount of that stroke” something I’ve never heard and excellent advice to keep in mind when setting suspension!
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This is probably the most concise fork explanation I've gotten. Thanks!
I could not say any better! I have some knowlegde in term of suspensions but this is very well explained! I can't wait for the shock part
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@@romainbrb6935 God bless, Jesus loves you
Hey, thats hands down the best explanation of what forks are doing and what the rebound and dampening actually does. well done and thanks
I found this to be super informative, even though it’s gonna take me 10 or more times to really understand everything! Thanks a lot for making it and I’m looking forward to checking out the rear shock one
Thank you once again Michael! Returning to this video and just reminded of how you've helped me on several videos via comments or content! Thank you.
what an amazing and professional video. suspension has more potential for better performance then anything else, besides technique
Thanks I really needed this. I was so fearful of messing with my adjustments. Thanks for the knowledge. Time to Star turning some screws👍👍
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I'm struggling with revalved forks right now. This video was very helpful. Thanks.
Thank you. Best explanation I've seen on suspension compression and rebound adjustment.
Amazing!!!!!!! This video was very helpful. Up until today my suspension has been very harsh feeling. This video was super helpful and now my suspension is smooth like butter. Keep up the good work
After watching every video and looking at every Google page I’ve found this, well done awesome video!! 👏👏👏
This was the best advice I've ever gotten thanks so much.
Excellent video. Answered a few of my questions and the zip tie trick is genius.
this is the best explanation i’m going to go out and test my suspension now
Exactly what I needed, great video!
From my experience: I go a long time between maintenance too. My 2002 Yamaha YZ250 (2 stroke) keeps going! BUT when I do tear it down and go through everything it really does run and handle better. So I’m happy it just runs no matter... but I should give it more TLC as it pays me back for my effort.
I am for the first time buying a new bike.... I deserve it!
2021 YZ250FX should have it in May depending on Yamaha. This is also my first 4 stroke!
Best explanation by far. Great knowledge!
Thank you for the tips!!!! Totally helped me fine tune my cr250’s front forks to my liking. Great video!
Thank you awesome video! Adjusting front forks soon for the first time
those shocks are beautiful 😍😍
Thanks guys. Seen lots of suspension videos and this explains it the best. Looking forward to playing with the clickers on my new YZ450FX now.
suspension for dummies, thank you so much for this haha
when bleeding air,might add forks should be up on stand weightless. also cooled off. not hot or on the ground.
Just changed my springs. Now to go ride. Good video.
I recently added some quick bleeders, and it makes a difference. 46mm KYB
Excellent video, very clear info and well-paced. Thanks!
good explanation!. keep going with your vids.
This kid knows his stuff.
Nice all around video you got here , THANKS
Excellent presentation
Wow best video to understand suspension. Nice
Miss you doing bike reviews
This video was awesome! Cheers guys
Gosh this is such a helpful video!
best video ive seen talk about this! thankyouuu
This video was awesome thank you !
This is great man. Good video.
Amazing explanation!!!!
Thanks.helped a lot tbh I was riding my Honda 150r bigwheel and the shocks felt like legit shit ❤️❤️
Nice explanation , so if I want to be able to pop up the front easier I should stiffen it by turning approximately 7-10 clicks ?
Awesome video
big help, thanks
My question is once the rear is ajusted. How do we set up the front forks to match the rear
dope video bro keep em coming
This is a really good video 👌👌
Only using half of the travel on my 2022 WR450 with compression and rebound all the way out. I'm in pain for days after a days trail riding.
Already tried bleeding the air and straightening the forks. Next step is a softer spring, re-valve and lighter oil but I'm dreading doing it myself.
Excellent
Awesome vid
Mine are still stiff after your advice and how do i add air to these forks? Bought a second hand bike ane the fork is really stiff and i dont understand these fork. 2007 ktm250 exc
HI! Not sure if I can get answer. MY suspension is too hard feel for me, I have a heavy Zero electric motorcycle with Showa front and rear suspension. Without the ziptie just watching how clean the surface I see only 5 cm 1-2 inch travel at front suspension, I want to make it softer, but there is an other issue I have to solve too.
My model is the S and the same frame used for DS model, the DS (dualsport) has a longer front fork and bigger font tire so frame geometry ismuch beter if front fork is longer.
On my S model I always slipping to the front and all my weight is on my nuts....
I want to have the front fork as long as possible.
So I am afraid if I make the front suspension softer I would have shorter fork due to lower position at smae weight.
Is there a solution using copression setting on bottom and S/H on top to have it higher position but softer damping?
Michael Lindsay is the best of them all... together with Chase from RockyMtnAtvMc
Priceless info as always thanks guys!
Hy! For enduro forks rebound setting is good to be fast or low?
On a 2019 WP AER 48's I was a Comfort level 17/17 clicks... I put to Standard today. Which is 12/12 clicks. I don't race, but Enduro ride the 300XC on over logs and trails, cornering ect... Im 198lbs. Would you suggest I do the Rebound to 15? So its 12 Compression and 15 Rebound so the front forks Rebound quicker back out? Your input would be great. Thanks
I've never messed with my forks, bought the bike brand new (crf 150r) and recently noticed the screws on top of the forks are completely opposite?
Thk u for ur helpful explain
Whats the best clicks for the heavier riders
Is it normal to have a tiny bit of fork oil to come out of the bleeder valve
Hello I have been scouring the interent the tuning mechnism on my left fork seems to be broke i hear clicks but it never get stiffer no matter which way i turn i can turn it indefinitely was not always like this the right one
Is that normal to have 465mm springs in a fork that should have 485mm???
I just change oil and seal on my fork and I realize that the guy who have rebuild my fork have put spring too short, If I refer to manual and fork spring catalogue I find online, the spring look to be for a 2014 300 XC KTM where I think they put the 4CS on, my 2012 have the `closed chamber` forks and the 485mm one!
Thank you
My bike is a 98 kx 250 2 stroke so ya it's old but it just dive's into corners like it's super soft what do you think I should adjust
I wanna know how much it should compress over a jump.... I hit a 30 footer step up landing on relatively flat ground, and the wheel is like 2-3 inches away from the fender.... I weigh 130 and it’s an 04 kx 125..... I know it’s meant to use all the travel, it just feels like it compresses to much for a not to big jump
Just had my fork seals serviced and now my forks don't extend fully or rebound all they way out. Is this a rebound adjustment? It's on a 2015 kx450 1 side is air fork other is compression. Would appreciate any help thanks
Nice bro
Great vudei!
Thanks!
Super vid dude thanks very helpful
Nice
I stripped my compression adjuster what do i do about this
So I have the showa sff forks. There is only 1 air bleed screw on only 1 of both forks right?
i tried to adjust the compresion and rebound screw but nothing cahnged., is there a problem with my suspension?
Don't be scared to tweak your suspension with the clicks and stuff
You bikes manual usually will have instructions to reset to what the book may call the "stock setting" that your forks have when built straight outta the factory
It will feel exactly like it did the day you first tried it
So is the compression adjustment on a fork adjusting high speed or low speed compression or does that concept even apply to forks?
It depends if the fork has a high speed and low-speed adjuster, or just a standard compression adjuster. If it's just a compression adjuster, it adjusts both in a sense but if it has separate labeled ones, they effect what they're labeled to.
Can yzf r125 adjust or not as I can't find anything online do I just add oil as the forks are too soft and go most way down when on bike
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Can you please tell me how to lower my DRZ 400 on the front?
What do I need to do my forks don’t have them flathead screws
so if ive never bottomed out my suspension its not too soft?
Clickers are such a minute adjustment, it doesn't even matter.
So you say adjusting your whole forks and shock doesnt matter?
@@Strasky_96 it matters extremely slightly. Like changing your tire pressure from 12 psi to 11.5.
@@mxgryan So you dont know what youre talking about..... The smallest Adjustments can change the whole feel of a bike. Better learn to ride properly, then you could try to talk shit on the internet and still fail
@@Strasky_96 lol, thats ABSOLUTELY false. You obviously don't understand what a clicker is how it works. Come back and talk to me when youre grown up, or maybe when you have Race Tech and KTM training certs. Until then, screw off, troll.
@@mxgryan Cry in your mothers lap, better try and afford a bike and learning standard shit every pro uses, then you can talk to me. Oh and take that stick out of your ass, it may get stuck if you keep it in too long.
So how do i know if my front is too stiff? It feels stiff but its my first race bike. I can barely push it down. I have a crf250r 2017. I weight 140 abt 155 with gear. I have my front clickers at 14, my compression in rear at 14, and rebound rear at 16. Front psi is 150 psi top and bottom, and the outer chamber, or
Whatever, is at 9 psi
I want to soften my forks. What do I have to do then?
unscrew cap and drain oil. Then stuff the fork with foam from a pillow or mattress and screw cap back on. You need to test it and then add more foam or remove. If you require harder forks than how they are with oil, thenyou can add the foam to the oil. I suggest you stick with the manufacturers foam for the bike you are on. Yamaspounge is excellent for YZ. Just ask your local bike dealer
@@privateperson299 Does the type of feathers in the pillow make a difference, I think they use duck down in the Yami ZY, which allows for less oil travel as opposed to chicken feathers. Let me sleep on it.....
what is a good base click setting on both strokes? 10 clicks?
There is no easy answer for that. It depends on the year, model, riding style, etc.
@@vitalmx 2010 rmz250 suzuki motocross
@@stephenmargetjak6989 Look in the owners manual and start with the base clicker setting. We don;'t have any testing notes for that bike.
@@vitalmx i bought it used but thanks ill do some research.
My suspension is super stiff but I’ve gone all the way stuff and all the way soft, I can’t compress my forks standing still either way
How do you do the back suspension
I am on a yz250f
My friend and i where messing with the suspention and i think we went uneven amount of clicks on the suspention. How to i make sure the hardness and softness is equal on suspenion?
Count the clicks bubba
Watch the video before a bong. And do the job before the Bong.
@@lumberjaxe8910 who said anything about a bong.
@@kylejohnson9510 The Dude said screw the adjuster in until it reach's its limit (the End). then back it out and count the clicks. Do this on each side you will have even Firmness. Best of Luck.
@@lumberjaxe8910 ah indeed i know that now lol. Thank you tho haha
I only use half of my travel no matter what i do. Even with the compression all the way out. I've changed the oil, bushings and seals. I even removed a shim. I can't figure out why. I've been messing with it since i got it.
john Franklin what’s the model? Oil height and are you torquing the triple clamp bolts to the OEM specs? If the lower clamp is too tight, it’ll restrict the movement of the fork.
@@vitalmx it's a 2002 yz250 with kayaba 46mm forks. 80- 150 with the standard oil level at 135. I have it at about 140 right now. It had more oil, but i took some out. It had 10wt, but i changed it to 5wt. I don't remember the torque specs, but I've taken them off a dozen times. I just tighten them to how tight i know they were torqued at before. I don't over tighten though. I took out the cartridge. I couldn't find the info or any videos on how to open the cartridge though, and i didn't want to mess it up. All of the o rings and rubber that i did see looked they were in good condition though. Both forks worked the exact same. The only difference is that one has a bit of stiction at a certain point in the down stroke. The spring isn't marked, but my manual says the standard spring has no markings. I'm at the top of the weight bracket for the standard springs.
You need to just send it
Where can I buy this product
How to adjust 2010 gsxr 1000 soft suspension clicks
If 55.5kilos how to set up the front and rear suspension Thankyou
Is there a rough Gide regarding comp/ reb clicks i.e if you put 4 clicks softer on comp dose that =4 clicks reb etc etc ???
I believe every 2 clicks on compression you go 1 on rebound.
Too simply explained. There is a high and low speed compression valves. If low speed is too fast, a screw gives you only high speed harshness, but do nothing or little effect with low speed bottoming out on jumps and whoops. In that case you need add some shims to low speed compression valve. Also an oil level plays major role with bottoming. Stiffer spring and lower oil level also gives a plushier mid stroke feeling.
God bless, Jesus loves you
Um wouldn't it be better to have the oil go in slow?
Atmospheric PSI is 14.7 not 0 as you state.
anyone else cringe @ 7:40
Yeah, that was gross neglect.
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Wow! Great explanation!
On a 2019 WP AER 48's I was a Comfort level 17/17 clicks... I put to Standard today. Which is 12/12 clicks. I don't race, but Enduro ride the 300XC on over logs and trails, cornering ect... Im 198lbs. Would you suggest I do the Rebound to 15? So its 12 Compression and 15 Rebound so the front forks Rebound quicker back out? Your input would be great. Thanks