@@KingBullet123it doesn't matter the soul King would actually beat the god of boruto why are you making stupid arguments that don't make any sense dude you obviously an idiot
@@KingBullet123all this multiversal dimensional crap you keep spelling it doesn't matter the soul King with destroyed pretty much everybody in boruto it's not even close seriously how dumb and stupid in Poetic are you
How can we compare a character that hasn’t been seen in the boruto series? I don’t get it. He’s been referenced by people possessing abilities he had, but we havent seen him himself.
Both characters aren’t really shown at full power but that’s the beauty of power scaling. We use the information we do have to come to a fair conclusion.
@@Gowofowokv2 ??0 feats you can just say you don't know wtf you're talking about. Soul king has light novel feats of things he's actually done Shitbai is the one who doesn't.
reflection is two abilities. at all times, reflect the intention of harm, depending on how murderous. and reflect all attacks toward the user as long as they are touching someone. kawaki gets smacked when thinking about smacking daemon
@@KingBullet123 no. it was a conversation without eida in the room. this also happens when code tries to place claw marks on him. we see daemons ability reflected the claw marks that would have hit him appear on code and the rest hit the ground and bug. he wasnt touching bug. if he was. his ability would have transferred to him too.
@@KingBullet123no, its was when he was discussing with boruto, Elda was no where present and kawaki wanted to test daemon statement and thought of clobbering him but that intent was reflected and kawaki got hit instead with boruto asking if he truly thought of hitting daemon
Intent can be reflected without touching, this is consistent when code attack daemon and his claw marks were reflected even without daemon realizing that he is attack because code though of attack deamon but action requires touching someone as demonstrated during code and kawaki fight where code was losing and summon daemon from his claw mark. Kawaki said he has no business with daemon and he should move aside but the attack still got reflected because daemon was touching code. Intent = no touching Action = requires touching
Soul King Is a Quincy and Soul Reaper had powers like that of Fullbringers. Perfect Almighty Pernida Mimihage Gerard Fullbringer powers. The Sand from Hueco Mundo is made from a Giant Super Menos Grande. Also The Reaitsu/Reiroku from Sealed Soul King is so much for an Almighty Ywach that it literally over flowed from him. Also wasn't SK immune to the Almighty or Mimihage at least. Wasn't Aizen Disintegrated? (Not speaking in dimensional terms)
I dont have a problem with shibai scale.But I definitely disagree with the soul king scaling.I won't put everything in 1 comment cuz I hate typing big paragraphs so. 12:00-12:25 That whole point seems irrelevant considering its already proven throughout fiction that a lower dimensional form can have the power to effect a higher dimensional structure without having their bodies manifest or transcend into those higher dimensions.They dont have to have 5D levels of existence nor have to not be seen when reaching the power to effect it.And even if they did,they can simply choose to stay in their 3D forms while still having 5D level attacking power. 12:27 He wasn't wondering whether or not ichigo was higher dimensional then him as if he was skeptical and anything.He was slowly realizing that same gap that aizen considers himself higher dimensional above the shinigami is same gap between him and ichigo.And because of how absurd that is,he makes that question out of shock and realization.It'll be like me throwing a grenade at some random dude who ends up unscathed I'll be like,"wtf he can tank that"? 12:40 So if it shows aizen reform back from an attack that's a higher dimension than him,wouldn't that mean even attack that are on higher dimensional level him cant kill him? In all honesty I dont see how any of those higher plane statements are considered metaphorical or hyperbole when aizen says he has transcended power like 5 different times already and literally killed being who manipulate space and time.The only difference was the last statements because its less vague and he actually goes into detail about the power gap by using dimensionality and have some qualities that would consider him have high d power.Idk it just makes less sense for kubo to make that many statements if he didn't want us readers to interpret aizen or any high tiers power in bleach that way.
Dimensionality is connected to spatial dimensions. Sure a character who is 3D could in have the ability to interact with a higher dimension. But that doesn’t mean they are higher dimensional. Rather have AP on that level. However it is important to look at the actual statement. Aizen’s claim is about what plane existence someone is standing in and if there are an actual higher dimensional entity. In this specific case a being on a higher dimensional plane means you shouldn’t exist in the 3rd dimension. So it’s very likely these statements are hyperbolic especially since he can be harmed, perceived, pierced and sealed by quote lower dimensional beings. Despite thinking it was impossible for lower beings to even interact with him.
Well aizen last lines about dimensions in his fight with ichigo was moreso about power.He was explaining how him not being sensed by anyone is considered a higher dimensional gap in power(which is a quality for someone with high dimensional power in some verses btw).Statements like those are crucial because it explains the limitations of power sensing and the gap it takes for said limitation to happen for the first time ever in the series.On top of that,he makes those lines in his inner thoughts.Which means those lines are meant to be seriously because most often characters tend to make general statements in their calm inner thoughts. But for most part I can agree that the existence statements could be hyperbolic.But it really depends on writing cuz sometimes you have writers making their 3D character exist in higher planes,make them interact with higher beings,and have them effect said higher planes if strong enough. Goku was effected bullets and weak lasers yet he can exist in higher planes(zenos world),interact with higher beings(zeno) and scale above beings that can effect higher forms of spacetime(abstract zamasu).
@@KingBullet123 He actually stated the they can porpusely lower they level to be sensed by lower dimensional beings while still being a higher dimensional being, so your argument doesn't even make sense.
I’m confused bullet shouldn’t the almighty be a 4d hax especially since it manipulates time? Hence should work on shibai since he’s also 4d ( lowballed accurately)
@@KingBullet123Yes it is tho at least if we’re using the theoretical model. Which is unanimously accepted as time. As we’re experiencing time the 4th .
@@millasboo thats not universally accepted I also literally debunked it in this video that time is not a spatial dimension because every spatial dimension can experience time including lower dimensions.
@@KingBullet123 I said unanimously & it is . By your logic a 1D being could experience time which isn’t possible they wouldn’t have the rationality or mental capacity to comprehend that time is moving. Your example is flawed with the cartoons as you’re saying them moving is time that’s not time to them. The cartoons existence would only understand from their 2D perspective they . The sun going up and down for them to signal time would be the sun just immediately turning into a moon. There movements wouldn’t have depth but only forward backwards left or right. They would skip frames opening a door. All dimensions don’t experience time the same that’s unequivocally false. A being’s perception is directly linked to their dimensionality,rationality and senses. A drawing cannot see into the 3D world. We cannot perceive the 4D world truly. I don’t know how you came to this conclusion.
12:21 not trying to be rude, but that is the lames excuse ever. I can name you more then 5 characters whoa are higher dimensional beings in their verse, but still can be seen by lower dimensional being aka characters on their verse.
No it's not. Aizen legit says "just as 2 dimensional beings cannot interact with 3 dimensional beings." It's a fucking analogy. He's stating Ichigo is so beyond him in power he can't sense it. It's almost like the scene in OP where it's revealed Law is using room but no one can see the border. Because it dwarfs the entirety of dressrosa.
@@AMAZIAH So what? Aizen still proved he is a higher dimensional being by destroying the Cleaner and rejecting laws of time-space and resisting it too.
I think it's best to wait to see what Shibai and the other Ototsuki gods can do, considering that Momoshiki talked about more than one when he explained to Boruto about omnipotence. It is notorious that Kishimoto wants to rescue the concepts of his canceled manga called samurai 8. Shibai is literally a carbon copy of fudo myo o the supreme god of S8 who is a multiversal being + and with infinite stats in addition to literally transcending the higher geometric dimensions and not like that garbage in bleach where they don't go beyond analogies to describe the higher power (5D gods affected by techniques that alter the past or future lol).
I'll go with the Soul King, he's all of bleach put into one being. For every hax Shibai has, there's a counter, and the all-mighty would be a power that I do not see Shibai even being aware of.
@@gammafrostHe would know about all his abilities including almighty, setting up counter measures for it. He can use omnipotence to desire almighty not to work on him nd it will constantly warp reality to where that happens. He also has every jutsu in naruto/boruto on steroids without hand signs. Bro was causing natural phenomena from yelling nd moving on some dbz type ish prior to transcending
@@Lordotsutsuki_TEven if he takes him Via omnipotence he will just come back Via the miracle and when you Boruto fans say “He can just think him out of existence” You know Soul king can do that to right? Via Gremmys ability, even if shibai is stronger which he is not Soul king would just keep coming back stronger and catch up to him by using the miracle which makes you stronger every time you die and come back. and Gerard has the same ability has Daemon with his sword which has reflects attacks if you try to hit it.
i think it's possible the Soul King also transcended the limits of 3 Dimensions when Yuha killed him. literally severing his connection to the mortal world. we see all his power spill out and begin corrupting the world, because he lost control over it, due to transcendence. similar to how Shibai left his physical body with all it's Shinjutsu in the lower dimension. perhaps we'll see this concept fleshed out in the anime.
If you really go into it ,I would say the soul king transcended dimension before being backstabbed by nobles he simply left his body and a small consciousness to to maintain universe until yuha came and absorbs him
5:33 No that’s immeasurable as infinity is movement in which time never elapses so the unit of time still exists but doesn’t fluctuate due to the speed. Immeasurable is when the equation isn’t possible because time wasn’t ever present in comparison to your speed. 6:09 That’s partially true but the problem is you’re assuming just passively experiencing something makes you that equivalent of the dimension. Now I’ll stress this i might be wrong but from my understanding is passively experiencing time doesn’t mean you’re in the 4th dimension of time. We’re 3d individuals inhabiting a 4D space but we can’t interact with the space. So we’re at the mercy of said space. It’s like a sandbox we can play with anything inside the box but space and time truly exists outside of the box. So if shibai did ascend he’d be 4D the problem is at 4D you can interact with time similarly to how we interact with a bucket of water. You could increase,decrease overflow adjust it in any way. He would need to be shown or stated to be able to do something akin to that either directly or indirectly like his body parts doing that.
I actually agree a higher dimensional being’s speed could be immeasurable. On to the second point. Time is a temporal dimension. Time is often referred to as the "fourth dimension" for this reason, but that is not to imply that it is a spatial dimension. A temporal dimension is one way to measure physical change. So when something is said to be a higher dimension that means you have width, length, depth and another spatial dimension that we can’t comprehend.
@@lureyourpery5569 I haven’t seen the kanji. But I still don’t think either interpretation really gives us a clear cut idea of how the universe was split. Could be wrong tho I’d have to see it.
Bro they said absolutely nothing about the SKs dimensionality. Meanwhile according to Momoshiki an Ootsusuki simply possessing Omnipotence can create 4d constructs. Like are you slow or just slow.
even Hogyoku Aizen transcended time and resiste the cleaner, a being of reason and law that can send you far away in time. And Dangai Ichigo negged an attack that distorted space-time with no diff, after Aizen said they transcended dimensionality. Imagine the soul king lol
Soul king came from an already existing world, who still posses a physical body and can die . Shibai transcended death and creates universes . He is tiers above soul king Also do we have confirmation of the soul king creating anything infinity? For example we know hell in bleach is infinite yet we know he didn’t create it . The garganta for example is infinite but we have no statement of the soul king creating it. We only have statements for the 2 worlds ( planets) and the dangai which is finite .
We do actually. The realm already existed yes but his body was used as the catalyst to spilt the infinite realm into 3 other infinite dimensions. Also we do know he can create infinite dimensions via the gargantua he made that & he also made the cleaner and. Bally of screams which is infinite.
@hakashiuzumaki9109 jiren being above time isn't relevant, just heard him explain time is an temperol dimension not an spacial one💀 so that wouldn't be an 4d feat anyway, n he's still not above space. Also that "above time" statement is hyperbolic most likely, they said it when jiren overpowered hit n his time hax. He only skips time an tenth of an second😂 it's not like he can travel far into the future or past or sum it's an hax ability😭💀Even Whis an angel can rewind time like 5 min max💀 N fact that Zeno has an future clone means he's bound by time too...
1st your Aizen example has Aizen weakened 2nd Aizen affected a hyperspace, its like Aizen destroying a tesseract because the cleaner is made out of the same Material of the hyperspace 3rd no Aizen was destroyed as shown in both anime and manga, he recreated himself
@@-Arcueid_Brunestud- the Dangai is stated to be a hyperspace by Urahara and Aizen destroyed the cleaner which is partially made of that same Material that regular existence is helpless against. Also the dangai can bring you forward or backwards in time
Soul Reapers are already Higher Dimensional beings than humans then Aizen ascended to a higher dimension than Soul Reapers surpassing reason itself. The Soul King would scale to this and at least be 4-5D.
@@datboimazz those narutards can't accept character above their verse They think naruto is the strongest verse,naruto barely scaled to planetary then suddenly scaled to uni+😑
@@KingBullet123it was literally stated in the anime itself, aizen transcends all shinigami and hollows and one shots cleaner (administrator of space and time) , mugetsu is stated to be above aizen in plane, prime soul king just creates all the realms In bleach , except hell
@@KingBullet123 Actually Soul Reapers and Hollows are 4 dimensional beings made of Spiritual matter and don’t create anything made of 3D matter. For example Hollows when using Cero create spiritual light not material light. The cosmology in Soul Society are a spiritual cosmos not a physical one. A being spiritual in nature is higher Dimensional by definition. And Kubo’s gone out of his way to show us they exist on a higher plane of existence by doing things like making sure humans can’t see spiritual beings until their eyes are opened to the spiritual world or they have genetic spiritual powers as well as creating an entirely separate higher dimensional matter for the spiritual world. The only evidence to say that spirits or souls are 3D is by saying they can interact with 3D constructs but that wouldn’t even make sense cause that’s like saying Shibai can’t beat Boruto because he ascended to a higher dimension therefore he can’t interact with him. That sounds like a lower dimension not a higher one. Higher Dimensions act as a one way window. They can see you touch you interact with you but you can’t interact with them.
@@datboimazz actually the soul society isn’t a higher mathematical dimension because it’s parallel to the human realm. They can go in between the realms. If reishi was made of an extra spatial dimension it wouldn’t be able to exist in a dimension that is made of only three. The same way I can’t physically exist in a cartoon without creating an avatar.
One thing i just need to point out that its possible that soul king actually jump into a future where world split into 3 and this would lower his AP by a lot
@@IvanAcevedo_28 lmfao smartest narutard right here it's exactly the other way btw Yhwach is Uni+ and MFTL++ Daemon gets destroyed by Shikai Kenpachi Get your cringe little kid out of here bunch of borutards with 2 working braincells on a good day
These are my thoughts before watching. The Soul King doesn’t have higher dimensional existence, but his AP is anywhere from Low Multiversal to Low Complex Multi via being able to destroy the Bleach cosmology, including the realms which are all separate universesl to infinite sized space times, the Dangai which is a hyperspace and the Garganta which is infinitely larger than that, potentially a dimension higher Shibai has 4-D existence with Uni+ AP via scaling above everyone in Naruto and Boruto that back scales to Kaguya’s feat. If we say he’s infinitely above everyone then he’d have Multiversal+ AP As far as hax goes…the Almighty is at least a 4-D Multiversal+ tier hax (affecting infinite timelines on a 4-D scale) with a ton of utility built into it Shibai’s hax doesn’t have a tier other than scaling to him. He has a variety of hax but the Almighty would literally just see into the future, power null anything Shibai could do and smoke him. He has no counters to the Almighty. That’s not even accounting for Bleach characters being able to neg the hax of people significantly weaker than them. But if they both scale to Multi+ then the Almighty hax negs
Higher dimensional beings no diff lower dimensional beings. Consider me, a 3d below average human. I can easily create and destroy 2d worlds with almost zero effort. And no matter how much the Soul King or Shibai wants to kill me they can't even perceive my existence. That's the gap between Shibai and the Bleach verse.
@@cuteandsingleeven Hogyoku Aizen transcended time and resiste the cleaner, a being of reason and law that can send you far away in time. And Dangai Ichigo negged an attack that distorted space-time with no diff, after Aizen said they transcended dimensionality. Imagine the soul king lol
@@raynielsosa2455 Bleach characters are physically 3D. They exist in the 3D plane and can be perceived by and interacted with by 3D beings. Maybe they can interact with the 4th dimension, but they are not physically 4D by feats and showings. Shibai is physically 4D and cannot be affected by 3D beings.
@@cuteandsingle You say 3D beings can interact with soul king, but they are actually not 3D beings, they are higher. Currently, Bleach characters are above Naruto characters. Even Senjumaru Shutara is way stronger than All of the otsutsuki except shibai. She can destroy the whole bleach cosmology with no diff, many universes and dimensions infinite in size. Aizen and Ichigo transcended dimensional levels, and they cannot even be sensed, normal human beings cannot interact with them, let alone soul king. Aizen resisted the cleaner, an entity of reason, he negged laws of space-time due to being trascendant, higher dimension, he even explained that, he said they tracended dimensions above. So the reason why you say he can be sensed and interact with other characters, it's because these characters are trascendant as well, + Still nowhere near Soul king. You are just making stuff up tho, cuz they didn't even explain yet how they could turn him into a corpse
3 realms are entire universes, whats shibai's best feat lol? Also it is said that he transcended material body, just to lyk living in a certain dimensional space doesn't make him scale to that dimension, he is fodder rn gets uberstormed by one of the squad zeroes.
Actually the original universe was split into thirds so each realm is more like multi galaxy sized. Also yes what mathematical dimension you reside in does determine your physical attributes. E.g. spatial dimensional differences are greater than infinite differences. Like the difference between a 2 and 3D being.
@@ykoijin1310 they are parallel because the Original universe was split into near equal parts. The word universe doesn’t denote size. The current world could be split even further and still be called universes.
@@ykoijin1310 firstly it’s probably not infinite but that’s a separate issue. The reason I didn’t talk about it in the video is because being infinite 3D is still below being 4D. Secondly it’s the original universe being split into equal parts to create separate time spaces. So the worlds just inherently wouldn’t be as big as the original universe.
@@ykoijin1310actually I can because there’s a lot of refutations that can be made. Like the Garaganta being said to trick you into thinking it’s infinite. Hueco Mundo having endless sand not being true since a planet can only have finite resources etc. Regardless I don’t take this kind of statements seriously since both Bleach and Naruto have infinite statements like this very commonly.
What you mean "no feats" lmao. Lowballing Shibai he's easily uni, as omnipotence users with full control over it, are stated to be able to create entire universes
@@anonymous02847 ability to reflect any intent of harm at all, instantaneous travel through claw marks for speed specs? Ability to see every future possible like the almighty? There pretty damn close to eachother bro trust
Higher dimension is literally based on your interpretation of the word lol so it’s too vague to say they actually mean 4D or talking about dimensionality
@@KingBullet123 if that’s what the author actually said and isn’t your headcanon then at best shibia is 4D interms of existence since time space isn’t a 4D spacial dimension and time is a temporal dimension meaning the main Naruto verse is 3D interms of existence and they just need time to move around like us
@@igneellinde4123 ok I think you made it apparent you didn’t actually watch the video. But yes thats actually said in samurai 8. Secondly I never said time space is 4D. I said it’s 3D and being beyond it is 4D.
@@KingBullet123 Naa I didn’t watch it yet I downloaded it so that I could listen to it when I work on Monday lol. But I just remember u making a argument for it being 5D in your shibai video so that’s y I said what I said. Also u can transcend space and still be 4D it doesn’t have to be timespace it can just be space
15:44 he solos characters in the vid by just existing Hachimaru is overkill for big 3 except potentially for Naruto verse since he's made by same author
@@KingBullet123 not exactly we had the can’t fear your own world novels after the tybw, then we have the hell arc and ichigos kid now so it opens a whole new story line, ichigos kid has already proven to be broken by absorbing the soul kings reiatsu, so it’s not confirmed it ends after the hell arc, we just get to see what happens when the souls of captains and everyone else that go to hell
i’m sorry but wasn’t the soul king like specifically like transcendent i know you were debunking the cleaner which i mean you could if you try to use the language in specific way but even then wasn’t the soul king like just above. i mean didn’t transcendent in bleach mean you were on a higher plane of existence. i also thought that we don’t even know the soul king true power considering he had 4 pupils when ywach had 3 and the increase in pupils gives you extra powers. Also doesn’t the soul king and shibai just fight to all eternity because of the level of haxes they have.
I try to convey to Bleach fans all the time. The mere fact in his mythos Shibai has a tesseract. Means none of the Bleach Hax would even work. There's no timeline shifting, no reality warping, no immortality, just nothing. A tesseract means time is an observable phenomenon in totality for Shibai. Bro, could grab Ywach or the Reio and put them through the big bang in perpetuity. It's that bad of a wash in his favor. Ontop of the fact they can't even interact with him from start to finish. He'd have to create an avatar for their to even be a fight. And thus Avatar would be as strong as he decides to be. To engage with them. This is ontop of the abilities Eida and Daemon have. When coupled, he's already more broken than Ywach and Reio. They use almighty. He erases all of time. This cannot be changed as they'd literally see the timelines disappear. And there's nothing they can do about. Almighty is literally hard countered here.
That's like saying Goku is weaker than Shibai just cuz he has a physical body that can interact with others 🤣 in anime, u can be 6D and still be able to have a physical body and interact with others.
@@bolt20179Shibai work so hard to be a god via absorbing Chakra on different planet while soul king is already a god in the beginning And he let himself to get sealed to sacrifice himself to save 3 realms because his existence is too overwhelming
One point is if you are saying that he ascended to a Higher dimension that means he is 5d just because our own dimension is not just 3d it's 4d a universal construct a space time continuum. Just like a theory of dark matter. That is ascended to a higher dimension to our with the article said that its 5 dimension also I do think kisimoto actually have knowledge about this as he actually like science-fiction stuff he is also a fan of star wars so it's probably that he have this kind of knowledge also he showed that in samurai 8 with a universe with have infinite dimension and infinity
Shibai doesn't even need a body and higher dimensional character plus senrigan would allow him to look through your past and weakness. But In power scaling Shibai would slams the verse 😅
How does Zaraki using shikai make him weaker than Sasuke? Lol even the weakest of soul reapers have a shikai. He also used his shikai to cut through the vacuum of space Gremmy sent him to.
Naruto can't do anything with a death god. The lowest shinigami should be able to kill someone in naruto universe besides the truly immortal ones and then a shinigami who has sealing hado spells could seal them until they can turn them into energy and kill them that way.
Soul king's almighty is ultimate form of almighty unlike yhwach's eyes so they will have better powers and capabilities and whatever thing shinai will do will get altered via almighty and soul king is of at least same dimension and he will keep evolving and evolving via compulsory and will bring stillness to shibai and killing him won't be enough as he will return stronger and stronger than before via miracle.... problem here is at soul king's hax are way too broken and will eventually counter anything thrown at him.....with his almighty bleach cosmology of present was made and shaped for allowing living beings to exist peacefully his lump like body was holding bleach cosmology intact(basically soul king and his appearance stopped the state of chaos and shaped reality with his complete version of almighty which will be stronger than yhwach's almighty it is mentioned in source material so don't come at me shibai glazer) The thing you said about aizen is incorrect he was literally lowering his spiritual pressure to interact and deal with ichigo's friends and aizen was alive after eating the final Getsugatenso was because of hogyoku that was made out of soul king fragments and he could regenerate because of same hogyoku that made him immortal even yhwach was not willing to waste his time on killing aizen and was focused more on recruiting him(your point on aizen was countered by my point and yes it was again soul king minute power that saved aizen) aizen was about to evolve further..... ichigo's friends could feel aizen because he was allowing them to feel him by lowering his spiritual pressure to a point where they won't get erased for example you can interact and talk to a God when he's not flexing his powers same way aizen was talking and dealing with ichigo's family and not wiping them out of existence and him destroying cleaner is a proper feat as well he literally destroyed a concept and it's not like a worker working under a roof it's like a bomb that nuked the same roof and roof(cleaner) was destroyed because it couldn't handle the bomb(aizen) and if you can destroy a being of reason means that you are above it that's the reason why you could interact and destroy it directly if he was not of same or above that thing then how aizen managed to destroy it(you gave a stupid example and yeah aizen wasn't managing cleaner he nuked it so take it as a slap from me to your cheeks) he could talk and interact with ichigo in final Getsugatenso form but he couldn't feel anything from him(a sign that ichigo is dimensionally above aizen same as we standing in front of a God who is suppressing his powers so he can interact with a creature of low dimensionality) aizen was about to transform further reaching to the same level as ichigo and then he could feel anything from him and this ichigo and aizen are not at their respective prime condition Ichigo after achieving his true shikai and bankai and aizen getting powered up while sitting in chair sama(your next point regarding transcendence is also countered and yes aizen and ichigo are higher dimensional brings as normal human couldn't feel anything from them) Here let me summarise this aizen and ichigo were high dimensional as explained earlier and they were not at their prime as well in the thousand year blood war arc they unlocked their full powers and still they couldn't defeat yhwach with lesser version of almighty aizen could mess with his senses but couldn't manipulate him and soul king is above these kids by a large margin Yhwach with almighty could barely absorb the remaining powers of soul king and he was getting overwhelmed by his powers to the point where that he couldn't hold up his powers and these powers took the shape of black mass and tormented soul reapers and only aizen with his spiritual pressure could crush them quite easily and was also offering to bring down royal palace down to soul society from this we can learn that aizen yhwach ichigo and kenpachi (to some degree because he could handle and supress hikone in his shikai state and that hikone was holding fragments of soul king along with his brain and please try to read bleach and it's novels narutrads and borutards) these are higher dimensional brings and soul king is far above all of these individuals and his almighty is complete and full version of almighty and we don't know what his almighty can accomplish This simply explains that soul king is of same dimension or above shibai and soul king's abilities can counter all of his abilities.....stop glazing him bro Feel free to argue with me
The thing is shibai may be powerfull but,,,, ichigo killed the soul king and yhawch,,, shibai may be so op for bleach but remember that ichigo is not at his peak and still getting stronger
Remember Aizen destroyed the cleaner which is stated to govern time and space. To govern something mean to maintain authority or basically to control. Aizen having to state it himself that surpassed the cleaner thats his transcended both tine and space Which is could be 4D or 5D And yes in bleach there are 3 universes. And are all infinite in size. Please use facts not opinions cause the whole videos on bleach vs naruto are just biased
@@pacmiller7564 I have to remain consistently fair the soul king doesn’t have a 4d feat. Because by higher dimensional you have to have a higher spatial feat. Splitting 3D material unfortunately isn’t enough. You have to be objective here.
@@KingBullet123 I've seen your videos dude cut the "consistently fair" bs anyways affecting time is 4d I'm not sure what fanboy logic your using but it's pretty asinine.
Well it’s hard to say for sure. We do know the original universe was split in Bleach so each realm is anywhere between a third to the size of our universe ig.
@@elohim303 I don’t doubt that but that doesn’t mean that it’s the size of our universe inherently. Because the original universe was split into smaller universes.
Fudo myo o crush the universe of bleach, boruto, one piece, one punch man, etc. Although it is a shame that it was created in a poorly constructed work.
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Kind of hard to even quantify the power of beings that can create and reshape universes
True but thats the fun of scaling
@@KingBullet123it doesn't matter the soul King would actually beat the god of boruto why are you making stupid arguments that don't make any sense dude you obviously an idiot
@@KingBullet123all this multiversal dimensional crap you keep spelling it doesn't matter the soul King with destroyed pretty much everybody in boruto it's not even close seriously how dumb and stupid in Poetic are you
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How can we compare a character that hasn’t been seen in the boruto series? I don’t get it. He’s been referenced by people possessing abilities he had, but we havent seen him himself.
Both characters aren’t really shown at full power but that’s the beauty of power scaling. We use the information we do have to come to a fair conclusion.
@@KingBullet123nah soul king actually has more feats and statements whereas Shibai has wank and fanboy assumptions
@@pacmiller7564Soul King literally has 0 feats. He’s a vegetable. Both only have statements. Stop being biased
@@Gowofowokv2 ??0 feats you can just say you don't know wtf you're talking about. Soul king has light novel feats of things he's actually done Shitbai is the one who doesn't.
@@pacmiller7564 Learn the difference between feats and statements kid
reflection is two abilities. at all times, reflect the intention of harm, depending on how murderous.
and reflect all attacks toward the user as long as they are touching someone.
kawaki gets smacked when thinking about smacking daemon
Wasn’t Daemon making contact with his sister while that happened?
@@KingBullet123 no. it was a conversation without eida in the room. this also happens when code tries to place claw marks on him. we see daemons ability reflected the claw marks that would have hit him appear on code and the rest hit the ground and bug. he wasnt touching bug. if he was. his ability would have transferred to him too.
@@KingBullet123no, its was when he was discussing with boruto, Elda was no where present and kawaki wanted to test daemon statement and thought of clobbering him but that intent was reflected and kawaki got hit instead with boruto asking if he truly thought of hitting daemon
Intent can be reflected without touching, this is consistent when code attack daemon and his claw marks were reflected even without daemon realizing that he is attack because code though of attack deamon but action requires touching someone as demonstrated during code and kawaki fight where code was losing and summon daemon from his claw mark. Kawaki said he has no business with daemon and he should move aside but the attack still got reflected because daemon was touching code.
Intent = no touching
Action = requires touching
also if you see code claw mark didn’t appear on deamon when he touching nobody @@KingBullet123
Soul King
Is a Quincy and Soul Reaper had powers like that of Fullbringers.
Perfect Almighty
Pernida
Mimihage
Gerard
Fullbringer powers.
The Sand from Hueco Mundo is made from a Giant Super Menos Grande.
Also The Reaitsu/Reiroku from Sealed Soul King is so much for an Almighty Ywach that it literally over flowed from him.
Also wasn't SK immune to the Almighty or Mimihage at least.
Wasn't Aizen Disintegrated?
(Not speaking in dimensional terms)
With Shinjutsu, Shibai's thoughts can create powers greater than that. He is litteraly Omnipotent.
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I was just listing SK's powers
@@Zen_Boy_77no he isn’t cause he lost lmao
@@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou it is stated in the manga that he is omniscience and omnipotence, and only lost due to plot arrow
@@Zen_Boy_77 that doesn’t have to mean he’s literally God, those words can just denote that he is very strong
Soul king slams!
Shibai has barely any feats lol 😂
we cant say that yet shibai hasent been shown yet . he would be revealed in future he just have been mentioned for once
This should be a fun war 🍿🍿🍿
Truly
I dont have a problem with shibai scale.But I definitely disagree with the soul king scaling.I won't put everything in 1 comment cuz I hate typing big paragraphs so.
12:00-12:25 That whole point seems irrelevant considering its already proven throughout fiction that a lower dimensional form can have the power to effect a higher dimensional structure without having their bodies manifest or transcend into those higher dimensions.They dont have to have 5D levels of existence nor have to not be seen when reaching the power to effect it.And even if they did,they can simply choose to stay in their 3D forms while still having 5D level attacking power.
12:27 He wasn't wondering whether or not ichigo was higher dimensional then him as if he was skeptical and anything.He was slowly realizing that same gap that aizen considers himself higher dimensional above the shinigami is same gap between him and ichigo.And because of how absurd that is,he makes that question out of shock and realization.It'll be like me throwing a grenade at some random dude who ends up unscathed I'll be like,"wtf he can tank that"?
12:40 So if it shows aizen reform back from an attack that's a higher dimension than him,wouldn't that mean even attack that are on higher dimensional level him cant kill him?
In all honesty I dont see how any of those higher plane statements are considered metaphorical or hyperbole when aizen says he has transcended power like 5 different times already and literally killed being who manipulate space and time.The only difference was the last statements because its less vague and he actually goes into detail about the power gap by using dimensionality and have some qualities that would consider him have high d power.Idk it just makes less sense for kubo to make that many statements if he didn't want us readers to interpret aizen or any high tiers power in bleach that way.
Dimensionality is connected to spatial dimensions. Sure a character who is 3D could in have the ability to interact with a higher dimension. But that doesn’t mean they are higher dimensional. Rather have AP on that level. However it is important to look at the actual statement. Aizen’s claim is about what plane existence someone is standing in and if there are an actual higher dimensional entity. In this specific case a being on a higher dimensional plane means you shouldn’t exist in the 3rd dimension.
So it’s very likely these statements are hyperbolic especially since he can be harmed, perceived, pierced and sealed by quote lower dimensional beings. Despite thinking it was impossible for lower beings to even interact with him.
Well aizen last lines about dimensions in his fight with ichigo was moreso about power.He was explaining how him not being sensed by anyone is considered a higher dimensional gap in power(which is a quality for someone with high dimensional power in some verses btw).Statements like those are crucial because it explains the limitations of power sensing and the gap it takes for said limitation to happen for the first time ever in the series.On top of that,he makes those lines in his inner thoughts.Which means those lines are meant to be seriously because most often characters tend to make general statements in their calm inner thoughts.
But for most part I can agree that the existence statements could be hyperbolic.But it really depends on writing cuz sometimes you have writers making their 3D character exist in higher planes,make them interact with higher beings,and have them effect said higher planes if strong enough.
Goku was effected bullets and weak lasers yet he can exist in higher planes(zenos world),interact with higher beings(zeno) and scale above beings that can effect higher forms of spacetime(abstract zamasu).
@@KingBullet123 He actually stated the they can porpusely lower they level to be sensed by lower dimensional beings while still being a higher dimensional being, so your argument doesn't even make sense.
@@KingBullet123 you got cooked big bruh im ngl to you
Samurai 8 is high hyperversal
He is the space and he stated space has multiple dimensions and infinities 😇
+ he already stated he transcend space-time
yea i just read it they lowball hachimaru so bad
Definitely at least Complex Multiversal
Idk if this is b8 or not these days. Dealing with the influx of bleach tards has been terrible.
Ok but what does that have to do with the video???
@@Kenos347 he mentioned it he said fudo madu is 4d
I’m confused bullet shouldn’t the almighty be a 4d hax especially since it manipulates time? Hence should work on shibai since he’s also 4d ( lowballed accurately)
Watch the video
Time isn’t the 4th dimension
ap and dc don't scale to hax
@@KingBullet123Yes it is tho at least if we’re using the theoretical model. Which is unanimously accepted as time. As we’re experiencing time the 4th .
@@millasboo thats not universally accepted I also literally debunked it in this video that time is not a spatial dimension because every spatial dimension can experience time including lower dimensions.
@@KingBullet123 I said unanimously & it is . By your logic a 1D being could experience time which isn’t possible they wouldn’t have the rationality or mental capacity to comprehend that time is moving. Your example is flawed with the cartoons as you’re saying them moving is time that’s not time to them. The cartoons existence would only understand from their 2D perspective they . The sun going up and down for them to signal time would be the sun just immediately turning into a moon. There movements wouldn’t have depth but only forward backwards left or right. They would skip frames opening a door. All dimensions don’t experience time the same that’s unequivocally false. A being’s perception is directly linked to their dimensionality,rationality and senses. A drawing cannot see into the 3D world. We cannot perceive the 4D world truly. I don’t know how you came to this conclusion.
12:21 not trying to be rude, but that is the lames excuse ever. I can name you more then 5 characters whoa are higher dimensional beings in their verse, but still can be seen by lower dimensional being aka characters on their verse.
No it's not. Aizen legit says "just as 2 dimensional beings cannot interact with 3 dimensional beings." It's a fucking analogy. He's stating Ichigo is so beyond him in power he can't sense it. It's almost like the scene in OP where it's revealed Law is using room but no one can see the border. Because it dwarfs the entirety of dressrosa.
@@AMAZIAH So what? Aizen still proved he is a higher dimensional being by destroying the Cleaner and rejecting laws of time-space and resisting it too.
I think it's best to wait to see what Shibai and the other Ototsuki gods can do, considering that Momoshiki talked about more than one when he explained to Boruto about omnipotence.
It is notorious that Kishimoto wants to rescue the concepts of his canceled manga called samurai 8. Shibai is literally a carbon copy of fudo myo o the supreme god of S8 who is a multiversal being + and with infinite stats in addition to literally transcending the higher geometric dimensions and not like that garbage in bleach where they don't go beyond analogies to describe the higher power (5D gods affected by techniques that alter the past or future lol).
I'll go with the Soul King, he's all of bleach put into one being. For every hax Shibai has, there's a counter, and the all-mighty would be a power that I do not see Shibai even being aware of.
You realize the Senrigan can see into your past? He would know everything about Reio.
@@PayArcanumand that would change what?
@@gammafrost What he said, being aware of the Reio's abilities.
@@gammafrostHe would know about all his abilities including almighty, setting up counter measures for it. He can use omnipotence to desire almighty not to work on him nd it will constantly warp reality to where that happens. He also has every jutsu in naruto/boruto on steroids without hand signs. Bro was causing natural phenomena from yelling nd moving on some dbz type ish prior to transcending
@@Lordotsutsuki_TEven if he takes him Via omnipotence he will just come back Via the miracle and when you Boruto fans say “He can just think him out of existence” You know Soul king can do that to right? Via Gremmys ability, even if shibai is stronger which he is not Soul king would just keep coming back stronger and catch up to him by using the miracle which makes you stronger every time you die and come back. and Gerard has the same ability has Daemon with his sword which has reflects attacks if you try to hit it.
i think it's possible the Soul King also transcended the limits of 3 Dimensions when Yuha killed him. literally severing his connection to the mortal world. we see all his power spill out and begin corrupting the world, because he lost control over it, due to transcendence. similar to how Shibai left his physical body with all it's Shinjutsu in the lower dimension. perhaps we'll see this concept fleshed out in the anime.
If you really go into it ,I would say the soul king transcended dimension before being backstabbed by nobles he simply left his body and a small consciousness to to maintain universe until yuha came and absorbs him
@@kireikotomine3756 yeah
5:33 No that’s immeasurable as infinity is movement in which time never elapses so the unit of time still exists but doesn’t fluctuate due to the speed. Immeasurable is when the equation isn’t possible because time wasn’t ever present in comparison to your speed. 6:09 That’s partially true but the problem is you’re assuming just passively experiencing something makes you that equivalent of the dimension. Now I’ll stress this i might be wrong but from my understanding is passively experiencing time doesn’t mean you’re in the 4th dimension of time. We’re 3d individuals inhabiting a 4D space but we can’t interact with the space. So we’re at the mercy of said space. It’s like a sandbox we can play with anything inside the box but space and time truly exists outside of the box. So if shibai did ascend he’d be 4D the problem is at 4D you can interact with time similarly to how we interact with a bucket of water. You could increase,decrease overflow adjust it in any way. He would need to be shown or stated to be able to do something akin to that either directly or indirectly like his body parts doing that.
I actually agree a higher dimensional being’s speed could be immeasurable.
On to the second point. Time is a temporal dimension. Time is often referred to as the "fourth dimension" for this reason, but that is not to imply that it is a spatial dimension. A temporal dimension is one way to measure physical change. So when something is said to be a higher dimension that means you have width, length, depth and another spatial dimension that we can’t comprehend.
10:08 that wrong it not talking about the ability almighty it Literally mean almighty as in raw power
Depends on interpretation ig
@@KingBullet123 not they was debate on this if I remember correctly they the Kanji used in the light novel isn't the same a almighty used in the manga
@@lureyourpery5569 I haven’t seen the kanji. But I still don’t think either interpretation really gives us a clear cut idea of how the universe was split. Could be wrong tho I’d have to see it.
@KingBullet123 I keep trying to send you a link to the debate, but youtube would lit me 😭
@@lureyourpery5569Links don't work anymore on YT comments
Another banger by daddy king❤❤
Honestly, this is a great video.
Let’s see Naruto vs Ichigo
@TheAllMightyone.Shibai eats this fooder verse😂
@TheAllMightyone. Bro is 6d 💀or 5d💀
SK has better hax and dimentionality. Not even a contest.
Bro they said absolutely nothing about the SKs dimensionality. Meanwhile according to Momoshiki an Ootsusuki simply possessing Omnipotence can create 4d constructs. Like are you slow or just slow.
@@AMAZIAH Even Dangai Ichigo transcended to a 4D being with Aizen, now let alone Ywach, so let alone soul king
@@raynielsosa2455he is featless toddler just another ahh am stronger bleach character
@@raynielsosa2455 shibai is 5D at minimum
@@AyoubAbida-y6o So Soul king is, Lmao
I knew the outcome of this when I saw the page 😂
I can smell his filthy bias
Shibai would slam Soul King so hard he'll ascend to a higher dimension
Slam him with a reality check
Soul king might go and start harvest chakra fruits after that
You seem very certain despite that the soul king’s existence literally keeps 3 realms in stability.
@@gammafrost3 realms within the universe,its not that impressive
@@gammafrostKeeps the flow of souls between 3 planets intact*
@@asterix5084It’s Not planets lmao
Ichigo vs naruto
Can u link that sakura calc
Peopl said the lighting scan was fake
Make Naruto vs Ichigo and then otsusuki vs sterneriter
Shibai just got even stronger😂
If u do otstusuki vs Sternritter DO NOT INCLUDE SHIBAI 😭💀💀💀💀
Fax😂🤣😭
even Hogyoku Aizen transcended time and resiste the cleaner, a being of reason and law that can send you far away in time.
And Dangai Ichigo negged an attack that distorted space-time with no diff, after Aizen said they transcended dimensionality.
Imagine the soul king lol
Didn’t Shibai destroy some planets before Boruto’s story started?
Yea but those are fodder feats
He devoured several millennia of planets which is a greater feat
@ahmadadnan4773 bleach is peak wuchu talken about
@ahmadadnan4773 if you are referring to the anime, then yes. The bleach manga is very different from the anime after dangai, it's peak.
@ahmadadnan4773Nah even Gremmy can create stars
Soul king came from an already existing world, who still posses a physical body and can die . Shibai transcended death and creates universes . He is tiers above soul king
Also do we have confirmation of the soul king creating anything infinity? For example we know hell in bleach is infinite yet we know he didn’t create it . The garganta for example is infinite but we have no statement of the soul king creating it. We only have statements for the 2 worlds ( planets) and the dangai which is finite .
We do actually. The realm already existed yes but his body was used as the catalyst to spilt the infinite realm into 3 other infinite dimensions. Also we do know he can create infinite dimensions via the gargantua he made that & he also made the cleaner and. Bally of screams which is infinite.
Its stated yhwach who's weaker can destroy the garganta
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@@jydreking false , tell me the chapter because it only says the 3 worlds and the Dangai notting about the garganta
@@aronguillen7951 chapter 627 ganju stated their is nowhere to hide not even the garganta
After hearing this I hope you surly don’t think anything in dragon ball is higher dimensional
Their AP is not their physicality
Zeno slams all those bums. Jiren is above time itself as said by vados and goku slammed him. Goku still solos Im afraid
Dragon Ball is 3D existence but power are higher dimensional
@hakashiuzumaki9109 jiren being above time isn't relevant, just heard him explain time is an temperol dimension not an spacial one💀 so that wouldn't be an 4d feat anyway, n he's still not above space. Also that "above time" statement is hyperbolic most likely, they said it when jiren overpowered hit n his time hax. He only skips time an tenth of an second😂 it's not like he can travel far into the future or past or sum it's an hax ability😭💀Even Whis an angel can rewind time like 5 min max💀 N fact that Zeno has an future clone means he's bound by time too...
1st your Aizen example has Aizen weakened
2nd Aizen affected a hyperspace, its like Aizen destroying a tesseract because the cleaner is made out of the same Material of the hyperspace
3rd no Aizen was destroyed as shown in both anime and manga, he recreated himself
Dude u said this on Twitter sit down pls
@@-Arcueid_Brunestud- If I have something to say, why wouldn't i?
@@legendaresn6983 also where did Aizen affect a hyperspace
@@-Arcueid_Brunestud- the Dangai is stated to be a hyperspace by Urahara and Aizen destroyed the cleaner which is partially made of that same Material that regular existence is helpless against.
Also the dangai can bring you forward or backwards in time
@@legendaresn6983 Hyperspace has multiple definitions, just letting you know.
Soul Reapers are already Higher Dimensional beings than humans then Aizen ascended to a higher dimension than Soul Reapers surpassing reason itself. The Soul King would scale to this and at least be 4-5D.
@@datboimazz those narutards can't accept character above their verse
They think naruto is the strongest verse,naruto barely scaled to planetary then suddenly scaled to uni+😑
I think saying that alone debunks the idea. Since humans and soul reapers both exist as 3D material beings on the same plane of existence.
@@KingBullet123it was literally stated in the anime itself, aizen transcends all shinigami and hollows and one shots cleaner (administrator of space and time) , mugetsu is stated to be above aizen in plane, prime soul king just creates all the realms In bleach , except hell
@@KingBullet123 Actually Soul Reapers and Hollows are 4 dimensional beings made of Spiritual matter and don’t create anything made of 3D matter. For example Hollows when using Cero create spiritual light not material light. The cosmology in Soul Society are a spiritual cosmos not a physical one. A being spiritual in nature is higher Dimensional by definition. And Kubo’s gone out of his way to show us they exist on a higher plane of existence by doing things like making sure humans can’t see spiritual beings until their eyes are opened to the spiritual world or they have genetic spiritual powers as well as creating an entirely separate higher dimensional matter for the spiritual world. The only evidence to say that spirits or souls are 3D is by saying they can interact with 3D constructs but that wouldn’t even make sense cause that’s like saying Shibai can’t beat Boruto because he ascended to a higher dimension therefore he can’t interact with him. That sounds like a lower dimension not a higher one. Higher Dimensions act as a one way window. They can see you touch you interact with you but you can’t interact with them.
@@datboimazz actually the soul society isn’t a higher mathematical dimension because it’s parallel to the human realm. They can go in between the realms. If reishi was made of an extra spatial dimension it wouldn’t be able to exist in a dimension that is made of only three. The same way I can’t physically exist in a cartoon without creating an avatar.
Shibai would kill him and take his place as the god of bleach
Other way around
In your dream, shibai claps
@@Zen_Boy_77no he doesnt, + soul king slams fodder aizen😂
It's the other way borutard
@@Juulkagekeep dreaming kiddoo
Drop your discord let's debate bro.
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Both are kakuzu victims not gonna lie
One thing i just need to point out that its possible that soul king actually jump into a future where world split into 3 and this would lower his AP by a lot
Not really, the Almighty can see all possible futures and alter them freely
So he would still need to warp the universe with his power
Ngl all shibai needs is daemons ability and he cooks the soul king💀
@@IvanAcevedo_28 lmfao smartest narutard right here it's exactly the other way btw
Yhwach is Uni+ and MFTL++ Daemon gets destroyed by Shikai Kenpachi
Get your cringe little kid out of here bunch of borutards with 2 working braincells on a good day
@@IvanAcevedo_28 how tf is daemon outclassing Yhwach you clown
btw The All Mighty can negate any ability if he sees it ,read the freaking manga first
These are my thoughts before watching. The Soul King doesn’t have higher dimensional existence, but his AP is anywhere from Low Multiversal to Low Complex Multi via being able to destroy the Bleach cosmology, including the realms which are all separate universesl to infinite sized space times, the Dangai which is a hyperspace and the Garganta which is infinitely larger than that, potentially a dimension higher
Shibai has 4-D existence with Uni+ AP via scaling above everyone in Naruto and Boruto that back scales to Kaguya’s feat. If we say he’s infinitely above everyone then he’d have Multiversal+ AP
As far as hax goes…the Almighty is at least a 4-D Multiversal+ tier hax (affecting infinite timelines on a 4-D scale) with a ton of utility built into it
Shibai’s hax doesn’t have a tier other than scaling to him. He has a variety of hax but the Almighty would literally just see into the future, power null anything Shibai could do and smoke him. He has no counters to the Almighty. That’s not even accounting for Bleach characters being able to neg the hax of people significantly weaker than them. But if they both scale to Multi+ then the Almighty hax negs
Higher dimensional beings no diff lower dimensional beings. Consider me, a 3d below average human. I can easily create and destroy 2d worlds with almost zero effort. And no matter how much the Soul King or Shibai wants to kill me they can't even perceive my existence. That's the gap between Shibai and the Bleach verse.
@@cuteandsingle but actually it's the other way around, Soul king had higher dimensionality.
@@cuteandsingleeven Hogyoku Aizen transcended time and resiste the cleaner, a being of reason and law that can send you far away in time.
And Dangai Ichigo negged an attack that distorted space-time with no diff, after Aizen said they transcended dimensionality.
Imagine the soul king lol
@@raynielsosa2455 Bleach characters are physically 3D. They exist in the 3D plane and can be perceived by and interacted with by 3D beings. Maybe they can interact with the 4th dimension, but they are not physically 4D by feats and showings. Shibai is physically 4D and cannot be affected by 3D beings.
@@cuteandsingle You say 3D beings can interact with soul king, but they are actually not 3D beings, they are higher.
Currently, Bleach characters are above Naruto characters. Even Senjumaru Shutara is way stronger than All of the otsutsuki except shibai.
She can destroy the whole bleach cosmology with no diff, many universes and dimensions infinite in size.
Aizen and Ichigo transcended dimensional levels, and they cannot even be sensed, normal human beings cannot interact with them, let alone soul king.
Aizen resisted the cleaner, an entity of reason, he negged laws of space-time due to being trascendant, higher dimension, he even explained that, he said they tracended dimensions above.
So the reason why you say he can be sensed and interact with other characters, it's because these characters are trascendant as well, + Still nowhere near Soul king.
You are just making stuff up tho, cuz they didn't even explain yet how they could turn him into a corpse
3 realms are entire universes, whats shibai's best feat lol? Also it is said that he transcended material body, just to lyk living in a certain dimensional space doesn't make him scale to that dimension, he is fodder rn gets uberstormed by one of the squad zeroes.
Actually the original universe was split into thirds so each realm is more like multi galaxy sized.
Also yes what mathematical dimension you reside in does determine your physical attributes. E.g. spatial dimensional differences are greater than infinite differences. Like the difference between a 2 and 3D being.
@@ykoijin1310 they are parallel because the Original universe was split into near equal parts. The word universe doesn’t denote size. The current world could be split even further and still be called universes.
@@ykoijin1310 firstly it’s probably not infinite but that’s a separate issue. The reason I didn’t talk about it in the video is because being infinite 3D is still below being 4D.
Secondly it’s the original universe being split into equal parts to create separate time spaces. So the worlds just inherently wouldn’t be as big as the original universe.
@@ykoijin1310actually I can because there’s a lot of refutations that can be made. Like the Garaganta being said to trick you into thinking it’s infinite. Hueco Mundo having endless sand not being true since a planet can only have finite resources etc.
Regardless I don’t take this kind of statements seriously since both Bleach and Naruto have infinite statements like this very commonly.
@@WayneWaizas😭bro did not watch the vid
Two Charcters with no feats lol
What you mean "no feats" lmao. Lowballing Shibai he's easily uni, as omnipotence users with full control over it, are stated to be able to create entire universes
@@asterix5084 are u stupid what has shiba done he hasn’t appeared one time in the series let alone did anything
@@asterix5084Prime Soul King has better feats, + his spiritualiteit pressure alone negs shibai.
@@anonymous02847 ability to reflect any intent of harm at all, instantaneous travel through claw marks for speed specs? Ability to see every future possible like the almighty? There pretty damn close to eachother bro trust
Higher dimension is literally based on your interpretation of the word lol so it’s too vague to say they actually mean 4D or talking about dimensionality
I’m going off the author Kishimoto’s understanding to which he considers it a state beyond time and space.
@@KingBullet123 if that’s what the author actually said and isn’t your headcanon then at best shibia is 4D interms of existence since time space isn’t a 4D spacial dimension and time is a temporal dimension meaning the main Naruto verse is 3D interms of existence and they just need time to move around like us
@@igneellinde4123 ok I think you made it apparent you didn’t actually watch the video. But yes thats actually said in samurai 8. Secondly I never said time space is 4D. I said it’s 3D and being beyond it is 4D.
@@KingBullet123 Naa I didn’t watch it yet I downloaded it so that I could listen to it when I work on Monday lol. But I just remember u making a argument for it being 5D in your shibai video so that’s y I said what I said. Also u can transcend space and still be 4D it doesn’t have to be timespace it can just be space
@@igneellinde4123 Aight np but you need to rewatch the Shibai video again too cuz I argue 4D minimum.
15:44 he solos characters in the vid by just existing
Hachimaru is overkill for big 3 except potentially for Naruto verse since he's made by same author
@TheAllMightyone. Vbw are biased
@TheAllMightyone. vsbw is trash
Bleach isn't finished just a heads up, the hell arc is currently in the works
I was under the impression the “hell arc” was just a oneshot for bleach's anniversary
@@KingBullet123 not exactly we had the can’t fear your own world novels after the tybw, then we have the hell arc and ichigos kid now so it opens a whole new story line, ichigos kid has already proven to be broken by absorbing the soul kings reiatsu, so it’s not confirmed it ends after the hell arc, we just get to see what happens when the souls of captains and everyone else that go to hell
i’m sorry but wasn’t the soul king like specifically like transcendent i know you were debunking the cleaner which i mean you could if you try to use the language in specific way but even then wasn’t the soul king like just above. i mean didn’t transcendent in bleach mean you were on a higher plane of existence. i also thought that we don’t even know the soul king true power considering he had 4 pupils when ywach had 3 and the increase in pupils gives you extra powers. Also doesn’t the soul king and shibai just fight to all eternity because of the level of haxes they have.
Being transcendent just means you’re beyond or above a certain level.
Shibai isn't the supreme being of the Naruto universe.
He is for now obviously that could change
I try to convey to Bleach fans all the time. The mere fact in his mythos Shibai has a tesseract. Means none of the Bleach Hax would even work. There's no timeline shifting, no reality warping, no immortality, just nothing. A tesseract means time is an observable phenomenon in totality for Shibai. Bro, could grab Ywach or the Reio and put them through the big bang in perpetuity. It's that bad of a wash in his favor. Ontop of the fact they can't even interact with him from start to finish. He'd have to create an avatar for their to even be a fight. And thus Avatar would be as strong as he decides to be. To engage with them. This is ontop of the abilities Eida and Daemon have. When coupled, he's already more broken than Ywach and Reio. They use almighty. He erases all of time. This cannot be changed as they'd literally see the timelines disappear. And there's nothing they can do about. Almighty is literally hard countered here.
This only applies if Shibai is the only 4th dimentional being in this scenario; which he isn't.
That's like saying Goku is weaker than Shibai just cuz he has a physical body that can interact with others 🤣 in anime, u can be 6D and still be able to have a physical body and interact with others.
Shibai claps
Claps what? Your a**
Gets his ass clapped+ the entire boruto verse
@@Kenos347 really sk erases everyone, he is also immortal + have too many hax with godly powers
Shibai is on another level
Imagine eating a lot of chakra fruit the powers are gonna be op af
@@bolt20179Shibai work so hard to be a god via absorbing Chakra on different planet while soul king is already a god in the beginning
And he let himself to get sealed to sacrifice himself to save 3 realms because his existence is too overwhelming
Wouldn’t the pure lands be 4d ?orr na?
One point is if you are saying that he ascended to a Higher dimension that means he is 5d just because our own dimension is not just 3d it's 4d a universal construct a space time continuum. Just like a theory of dark matter. That is ascended to a higher dimension to our with the article said that its 5 dimension also I do think kisimoto actually have knowledge about this as he actually like science-fiction stuff he is also a fan of star wars so it's probably that he have this kind of knowledge also he showed that in samurai 8 with a universe with have infinite dimension and infinity
Oh 😂😂 so you are using the correct version of a 4d than he is 4d although most of the scaling are based on this space time continuum theory
just read samurai 8
Reio wins he is higher dimensional and has almost any hax you can name. While we know almost nothing about shibai
Higher dimensional 😂
Gonnaa say it now: Boruto manga ain't that bad
Shibai doesn't even need a body and higher dimensional character plus senrigan would allow him to look through your past and weakness. But In power scaling Shibai would slams the verse 😅
Soul King would slam the verse too
Shibai wins with ease
@TheAllMightyone. Kenpachi needed Shikai for a meteor. Sasuke last time he destroyed a meteor used a basic chidori. Kenpachi is outclassed.
@@onesmart229 bleach Is so fodder bro
@@marcoslightspeed5517not fodder enough for you narutards to get a win
@@onesmart229Oh look your gagging on another Naruto character shocker also Gremmy's meteor>> the last meteor.
How does Zaraki using shikai make him weaker than Sasuke? Lol even the weakest of soul reapers have a shikai. He also used his shikai to cut through the vacuum of space Gremmy sent him to.
acnologia victims
Shibai slams + verse
Soul King slams
Cope Shibai is fodder and Kenpachi victim
In borutards fanfiction
Bleach fan boys mad
@@Kenos347 Tell kenpachi to not die in outer space 🤣
Hachimaru/Fudo Myoo is at the absolute very least Complex Multiversal
Naruto can't do anything with a death god. The lowest shinigami should be able to kill someone in naruto universe besides the truly immortal ones and then a shinigami who has sealing hado spells could seal them until they can turn them into energy and kill them that way.
Was that even close?? 🤡Sakura slams this fodder
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@@Ruler_calamity_477bleach is washing powder. Take that off
@@Ruler_calamity_477 brainleech verse .
@@watever9162 What feats does Shibai has ?
Ascending to higher dimensions?
There is a different between dimensionality in ap or in existence
Sakura is a kon victim
soul kings presence alone solos whole naruto shippuden.😂
Ofc but this was god vs god tho
Soul king's almighty is ultimate form of almighty unlike yhwach's eyes so they will have better powers and capabilities and whatever thing shinai will do will get altered via almighty and soul king is of at least same dimension and he will keep evolving and evolving via compulsory and will bring stillness to shibai and killing him won't be enough as he will return stronger and stronger than before via miracle.... problem here is at soul king's hax are way too broken and will eventually counter anything thrown at him.....with his almighty bleach cosmology of present was made and shaped for allowing living beings to exist peacefully his lump like body was holding bleach cosmology intact(basically soul king and his appearance stopped the state of chaos and shaped reality with his complete version of almighty which will be stronger than yhwach's almighty it is mentioned in source material so don't come at me shibai glazer)
The thing you said about aizen is incorrect he was literally lowering his spiritual pressure to interact and deal with ichigo's friends and aizen was alive after eating the final Getsugatenso was because of hogyoku that was made out of soul king fragments and he could regenerate because of same hogyoku that made him immortal even yhwach was not willing to waste his time on killing aizen and was focused more on recruiting him(your point on aizen was countered by my point and yes it was again soul king minute power that saved aizen)
aizen was about to evolve further..... ichigo's friends could feel aizen because he was allowing them to feel him by lowering his spiritual pressure to a point where they won't get erased for example you can interact and talk to a God when he's not flexing his powers same way aizen was talking and dealing with ichigo's family and not wiping them out of existence and him destroying cleaner is a proper feat as well he literally destroyed a concept and it's not like a worker working under a roof it's like a bomb that nuked the same roof and roof(cleaner) was destroyed because it couldn't handle the bomb(aizen) and if you can destroy a being of reason means that you are above it that's the reason why you could interact and destroy it directly if he was not of same or above that thing then how aizen managed to destroy it(you gave a stupid example and yeah aizen wasn't managing cleaner he nuked it so take it as a slap from me to your cheeks)
he could talk and interact with ichigo in final Getsugatenso form but he couldn't feel anything from him(a sign that ichigo is dimensionally above aizen same as we standing in front of a God who is suppressing his powers so he can interact with a creature of low dimensionality) aizen was about to transform further reaching to the same level as ichigo and then he could feel anything from him and this ichigo and aizen are not at their respective prime condition Ichigo after achieving his true shikai and bankai and aizen getting powered up while sitting in chair sama(your next point regarding transcendence is also countered and yes aizen and ichigo are higher dimensional brings as normal human couldn't feel anything from them)
Here let me summarise this aizen and ichigo were high dimensional as explained earlier and they were not at their prime as well in the thousand year blood war arc they unlocked their full powers and still they couldn't defeat yhwach with lesser version of almighty aizen could mess with his senses but couldn't manipulate him and soul king is above these kids by a large margin Yhwach with almighty could barely absorb the remaining powers of soul king and he was getting overwhelmed by his powers to the point where that he couldn't hold up his powers and these powers took the shape of black mass and tormented soul reapers and only aizen with his spiritual pressure could crush them quite easily and was also offering to bring down royal palace down to soul society from this we can learn that aizen yhwach ichigo and kenpachi (to some degree because he could handle and supress hikone in his shikai state and that hikone was holding fragments of soul king along with his brain and please try to read bleach and it's novels narutrads and borutards) these are higher dimensional brings and soul king is far above all of these individuals and his almighty is complete and full version of almighty and we don't know what his almighty can accomplish This simply explains that soul king is of same dimension or above shibai and soul king's abilities can counter all of his abilities.....stop glazing him bro
Feel free to argue with me
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The thing is shibai may be powerfull but,,,, ichigo killed the soul king and yhawch,,, shibai may be so op for bleach but remember that ichigo is not at his peak and still getting stronger
Remember Aizen destroyed the cleaner which is stated to govern time and space. To govern something mean to maintain authority or basically to control.
Aizen having to state it himself that surpassed the cleaner thats his transcended both tine and space
Which is could be 4D or 5D
And yes in bleach there are 3 universes.
And are all infinite in size.
Please use facts not opinions cause the whole videos on bleach vs naruto are just biased
No bias here I was as fair as possible. I refuted those statements in the video. Worth actually watching.
@@KingBullet123 but you do know that the worlds are actual universes right. This has been stated even in a manga panel
@@WayneWaizasdoes sk split the main universes into 3 realms so 3 realms are multi galaxy not Universes
😂😂😂😂😂 the same guy who was happy thinking he can destroy mountains 🤣🤣🤣,that show how weak he is
@@WayneWaizas did u even bother watching the video dawg?
Well there you have it shibai slams 🥱🥱🥱🥱
Soul king created the dangai a separate time-space lol he can easily interact with Shibai
Even weaker Otsutsuki are capable of creating alternate time spaces like nothing
Shibai transcends that which SK doesn't
Creating a seperate dimension as in a different time space is still not a higher dimensional feat unfortunately
@@KingBullet123 Nah shibai is 4d at most Soul king did a 4d feat what's the issue other than your fanboyism??
@@pacmiller7564 I have to remain consistently fair the soul king doesn’t have a 4d feat. Because by higher dimensional you have to have a higher spatial feat. Splitting 3D material unfortunately isn’t enough. You have to be objective here.
@@KingBullet123 I've seen your videos dude cut the "consistently fair" bs anyways affecting time is 4d I'm not sure what fanboy logic your using but it's pretty asinine.
Shibai negs the Fodder Bleach verse lol even KCM Naruto is enough for the verse
Hollow Mask Ichigo>>>The midtsutsuki and the entire midruto/burrito verse
@@Kenos347 Killer Bee > Bleach verse lol.
You do realize each of the realms are universal in size right?
Well it’s hard to say for sure. We do know the original universe was split in Bleach so each realm is anywhere between a third to the size of our universe ig.
In the raws, the kanji for universe was used for the world of the living, not sekai
@@elohim303 I don’t doubt that but that doesn’t mean that it’s the size of our universe inherently. Because the original universe was split into smaller universes.
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Fudo myo o crush the universe of bleach, boruto, one piece, one punch man, etc. Although it is a shame that it was created in a poorly constructed work.
Yo
Shibai slams
Slams ur cheecks
Gets slammed
@@life-sf1oz How?
@TheAllMightyone. Toxic bleach fan boy.
Soul king wins via more and better hax
Opm god solos both
Opm god gets slams by both of them
shibai lowball is crazy
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