Road to Ninja also has Naruto knowing who Kushina is, with even flashbacks of their meeting on the Turtle Island. And Naruto himself confirms that he has KCM during his battle with Menma, but before he can use it, Kurama offers him a team-up. That would very much have to place the movie during War Arc events
@@outer_pun a dream is also real but just because you dream doesn't mean that dream has its own universe and this somehow creates a multiverse. Same goes for here. He even calls it Visions a Classic term used by those who can see the future. He even calls it a battle royal between the futures. He talks about the possibility of Futures and also Futures that did not happen. Like Jigen killing Naruto and getting Kawaki.
for me naruto is low balled galaxy+ and POTENTIALLY universal+ i just dont understand how one piece fans think luffy can even beat naruto dont let naruto downplayers see this vid
@@x_Lords-Aizen lol yes if One piece P lanet is 10¹⁰x Bigger than the universe maybe The Fact is Luffy Is capping At Moon Level + with high balls And Naruto Is Capping at Large Star+ - Multi-Solar With Lowballs
@@kaizel2264 😂 😂, i mean yeah, luffy caps at star level, but still their fans trying to prove me that luffy is multiversal cause of mont-d'or book worlds lol
Hey kingbullet, Naruto stated that tenten wasn’t from his world and that she she should return to hers While she was in the infinite tsukuyomi, so I’m pretty sure all of the peoples dreams in the infinite tsukuyomi do indeed take place in an alternate universe.
Everything legally made under the IP is canon, if Kishimoto didn’t want people adding to his lore he shouldn’t have sold a pieces of it for people to create.
@@ComputerBLEWStop it. Newgen Naruto fans are cringe I swear. I get y’all want to wank naruto and sasuke so you want “everything to be canon” but realistically that’s not how it works. Under the IP means it’s official (not fanmade) but doesn’t mean it’s CANON to the Naruto story.
@@QGUU it literally is, not even debatable kishimoto literally wrote a manga intro for the movie. Gets sold with official Naruto boxes and everything lol
@@yoku6790 Anything they own can get sold in bundles lol? And at the very least that only makes the manga intro canon not the movie and definitely not the filler
@@Multiversedestroyer2.01 ik u haven’t watched shippuden cus that was the most terrible take ever he been last planetary as a teen😭 he’s low ball galaxy to low uni
Watched the whole video i still don't feel entirely convinced you brought up so great points but idk it's just i'm not entirely sure creating a universe makes a character universal because there are characters that are basically fodder otherwise that have done that. Jo from Kid Cosmic having a portal stone and Fantos created a whole other universe in an instant and there are other examples but they elude me rn but fr though amazing video the editing was perfect and your usage of resources was pretty top notch and i like how you at least admit the data books aren't perfect some many people clearly never passed 3rd grade reading class some niggas wanna use it as gospel💀
@pokeballblaze9835 Creating to universe would scale to them bcz they do it witch chakra and in Naruto chakra equal AP and the argument of them using "Hax" wouldn't work as Hax is also made out of chakra so besically in the Naruto verse chakra=Hax=ap. And in this case it also equals universal level Ap (could argue it's low multi)
To create a universe you need energy. Characters in Naruto can use energy to buff their stats. If you have enough energy to create a universe, you can put that same energy into a punch or something
Something to note about the RtN timeline, Naruto at one point expresses concern about Killer Bee, which implies he's been to the turtle island and formed a connection with him. He also says "I'll use biju mode" at one point which implies he has KCM. However, he's chilling in the village, no one is prepping for war, etc. He still thinks Obito is Madara. This would mean he left the island before the war but after training with Bee, which doesn't fit the timeline. He also has basically the same conversation with Kurama in RtN that he does in the main timeline, where Kurama says he doesn't care for Madara and gives Naruto access to his chakra. It doesn't really make sense for them to have the same conversation twice without mentioning it. At the end of the day, the Limited Tsukuyomi is still a Tsukuyomi, so it's still a genjutsu. If Obito is using the crystal ball to draw Naruto and Sakura into a shared genjutsu, that's fine, but it doesn't mean he filled that universe with as many literal stars and planets as the "main universe" has, or that he can output that level of energy in the "main universe." Like, if I can press a button that triggers a nuke, does that mean that my finger can flick someone with the power of a nuke? It's a fun topic to discuss, but I don't think this stuff is transferable back to Naruto's "real world"
boruto isnt even stronger than isshiki level, naruto and isshiki are currently the top tiers of the verse and none has a concrete placement above them, daemon has the hax but lacks the physicalicty
Base Boruto exceeds naruto baryon mode speed as he dodging kawaki / isshiki rods in his base ! Also his uzuhiko one shot baryon mode ? I think he surpass naruto BM right now
@@x_Lords-Aizen 1) Kawaki rods=/= isshiki/jigens. even borushiki was dodging them and borushiki is so weak in comparison. 2) its wrong to say "base boruto" since thats the only boruto, only thing else is Karma Boruto and boruto doesn thave goood control of karma, meaning he also cannot extract it to its fullest, and even the fullest power he would gain would be less than what prime momoshiki had who was abusing roids. 3) u just made the statement that uzuhiko can oneshot baryon mode. which is only presumptions. and naruto is durable enough to tank that much and has healing to also survive till he defeats opponent
I think no one talks about the fact that a Sage Rasenshuriken got a Sage Jiraiya lvl threat like the human Path disintegrated, but a Kyubi Rasenshuriken got no effect on the Third Raikage.
@@kaizel2264 Why not? At that point, KCM1 Naruto should be stronger than a base Rasenshuriken, so his punches should be more effective if the technique doesn't use KCM1 chakra.
@@kaizel2264 Yeah, but all the narrative that surrounds the Third Raikage says he is both the ultimate shield and spear, both of them above a KCM1 amped Rasenshuriken. That's insane, because a Sage Rasenshuriken causes more damage on Kurama than around 20 Odama Rasengans, so Rasenshuriken should at least be 20 times stronger a Odama Rasengan.
2:44 a spacetime is a universe to be 4d you don't need 4 spatial dimensions, that isn't even a thing according to the theory of relativity there are only 3 spatial dimensions and one temporal dimension, which is what creates a universe (the universe is a 4d construct) the 4th dimension literally is time. "Our Universe as we know it has four dimensions: the three dimensions of space (up and down, left and right, back and forth), and one dimension of time that keeps us all ticking along." "In Einstein's famous theory of relativity the concepts of immutable space and time aren't just put aside, they're explicitly and emphatically rejected. Space and time are now woven into a coexisting fabric. That is to say, we truly live in a four-dimensional universe." "In everyday life, we inhabit a space of three dimensions - a vast 'cupboard' with height, width and depth, well known for centuries. Less obviously, we can consider time as an additional, fourth dimension, as Einstein famously revealed." the universe is made out the 3 dimensions of space, the x y and z axis, and there's time, the 4th dimension. the diagram that represents the universe is literally called a "SPACETIME" diagram, it shows space evolving through time. "The physical universe is defined as all of space and time (collectively referred to as spacetime) and their contents." wikipedia literally says that the universe is defined as spacetime lol "In physics, spacetime, also called the space-time continuum, is a mathematical model that fuses the three dimensions of space and the one dimension of time into a single four-dimensional continuum." wikipedia literally says that a spacetime is a 4d structure so yeah, 4 spatial dimensions isn't even a thing lmao, if a universe had only spatial dimensions it wouldn't even work cuz btw, space requires time to exist.
easily,none of the mcu avengers are even close to naruto, and that's considering that i scale him to only solar+,unlike bullet who puts him at uni+or so.
Naruto being universal level makes no sense anyway, look at his attack output and logically link it to all his previous outputs. It really doesn't make sense. Planet level for sure you can imagine that.
Do you think naruto is going to destroy his own planet or universe that doesn't make sense in character wise also the world is were the story takes place the author of Boruto in an interview said naruto and Sasuke got so strong he didn't want the children to get over shadowed by the flashy fights so he lowered the fighting
Ever heard of this thing called attack potency it basically controlls the destruction around u by your attacks meaning if naruto is universal then every single character who have tanked his attacks like madara,obito and others will have universal level defence that means luffy aint touching them
@@shahroztariq468 Luffy doesn't have to touch them, someone like Goku outscales them and a character like Gojo can't be touched anyway. I don't really know what you're getting at bro. You're coping and that's okay.
If seven tailed beast combined have the power to create a universe according to kishimoto what about 9 or the Tentails it supports naruto calling the Tentails Chakra pool infinite
Naruto with kurama and 8 other biju basically has infinite chakra also Naruto has more chakra then kurama that’s another reason he out lived kurama in baryonmode, if he had less chakra then kurama Naruto would have died
I saw a stream trying to debunk universal naruto, and he said stars are space-time 😭 Also Naruto is definitely universal, bro existing causes tears in space and time at a universal range. Being 4d doesn't require 4 spatial dimensions, time is a 4th dimension that acts as a continuum of infinite points where 3d space exists. So it does fit the criteria.
@@kakuzugoated873 Height,width and depth are the 3 dimensions. Time can be considered as a 4th dimension but it's not actually. A 4D thing cannot exist in our universe.
naruto cannot destroy a universe snice his dc isnt universal but his ap can reach universal levels base on the scaling so only his ap can reach those lvls not his dc
@@lucionjones8685 I also think that naruto can't destroy a whole universe according to our modern physics but anime cosmology also differ, as kaguya can destroy her dimensions and reboot them and this man proofs that her dimensions were bigger like a universe means kaguya holds that level of DC, also if we consider Shibai, but i personally thinks that naruto can't destroy or holds a DC of that level, he can't blow up the whole universe in a single attack, not even ichigo is capable of doing this. But yeah ! Naruto is universal + in terms of AP.
No main character will want to destroy their planet or universe which will require DC than AP, take ichigo from bleach for example whose strongest DC feat is on a mountain level from his strongest attack in his strongest form just below his true bankai against aizen but scaling says ichigo is universal or more when his highest destructive capabilities is around mountain level, the hell movie is not considered canon and that's the only thing fans use as evidence to back up their claims. Compared to naruto who has more reference and feat that ichigo
@@lucionjones8685 your AP=DC. Kishimoto during Boruto movie interview said he made them tone down the fights so the new gen can shine and everyone not be distracted by Naruto and Sasuke s flashy jutsu.
In one of your more recent vid you said that Gокu is close to Sаitаma well i completely disagree with that so how about we discuss it in the cord and. If you disagree thats totally fine but your db and gокu downрlay are crazy if you think Goku caps at 4D. (You be shocked by how strong he is)
I technically didn’t. All I said was it might be competitive. Regardless I was just using video rhetoric to gass Saitama up for that video. Take most my stuff with a grain of salt. Even this video about uni Naruto is highball.
@KingBullet123 Ohh well mb then but I will ask anyway where do you scale Goku? Just asking bcz even saying Goku is competitive or even slightly close to the OPM verse is a massive Goku downplay to me.
Kishimoto writing the movie does not make it canon. The one-shot conflicts majorly with the actual manga since it shows the Akatsuki still alive far after they started dying. The movie conflicts by showing the Zetsu substituting for the Akatsuki, which obviously never happened, nor do the Zetsu even have that ability by that point. The timeline analysis is muddled as Naruto went straight from Konoha after Pain's defeat to the Gokage Kaidan, and immediately after that he started to make preparations to go to Genbu. There is no spare day for him to go through this genjutsu adventure, amongst other problems (like the jutsu not even working the same way). Not the strongest opening argument. Momoshiki and Kinshiki were in the same universe when they discovered the cracks as they are noted to be traveling physically to the planet. "Kaguya's World" could just refer to the star system, instead, for example. They do not use the cracks to get to Earth, either, they just travel to it conventionally. Sage of Six Paths Mode and the Truth Seeking Orbs allows him to control all in the universe/the nature of the universe, not the universe itself. Jin no Sho states the Truth Seeking Orbs possess the power to wipe away an entire forest, so clearly it is not referring to universal powers, as otherwise the forest point would be entirely moot. All in the universe, again, does not refer to the universe itself, in relation to Yin-Yang Release as a whole. Hagoromo did not actually create form from nothingness as he did have a base to work from. Seems closer to alchemy or highly advanced medical ninjutsu. A more recent magazine seems to say Baryon Mode itself has the power to destroy a universe, which I can believe.
@@Arcadia_warlic The akatsuki weren’t real dude, they were zetsu clones. We literally see them shapeshift back into them. First I would have heard of a Star system being called a world. Momoshiki was implied to have been in the lava dimension before he saw Earth’s dimension. So there no way to say where he was but he was literally looking in Kaguya’s dimensions first. He even encountered Sasuke in the Ice dimension. The true seeking orbs are condensed so being able to destroy a forest may just be dc not ap. clearly it’s ap is much higher than forest level since it can erase stronger characters. So containing universal ap isn’t contradictory. Shinrabansho refers to all creation and the universe they are one and the same. So the translation is correct. All a lot the translations I use are from official or highly regarded translators.
@@KingBullet123 Yes, and the Zetsu are not shown being able to do that by that point. It is unclear Obito even had that many Zetsu before the war at all... For reference, the movie suggested that many of the killed Akatsuki were actually Zetsu in disguise which, obviously, did not happen. He was not in the lava dimension. He was on a random planet with a civilization he had just destroyed. With senjutsu, Naruto is able to crack Obito's Truth Seeking Orbs, and I doubt Naruto by that point is nearing universal. I am not contesting the translations, I am contesting the interpretations, herein, I believe it means the concepts/understandings within creation, rather than the act of/entirety of creation itself.
@@Arcadia_warlic 1. Shapeshifting is just an ability white zetsu have not something learned later. Also we literally see the Akatsuki summoned back to obito and melt into zetsu so it’s not up for debate. 2. Actually we are talking about two different scenes. But even the other one is up for interpretation. 3. Well I did literally say it was up for interpretation. However the tsb for example says the power of the universe is contained within it and it’s not like the tsb controls reality around it so is suggested to be a power related thing.
@@KingBullet123 1. Again, not clear if Obito has that many Zetsu by the start of Part II, and the idea that the Akatsuki were being swapped out like that only exists in the movie, which brings its canonicity into question, which was my point. 3. Power derived from the nature of the universe. Kaguya's even had the power to create a new one, for example.
I think adult naruto is galaxy + level without baryon mode cause of the red shift nebula in momoshiki's dimension and naruto was fighting toe to toe with FUSED momoshiki in his base. BUT..... After seeing Shibai, i can't hold myself to accept that naruto is universal.
@@josue_1887 Goku is multiversal. But got hurt by some bullets, and still gets hungry. Naruto not catching bandits it's completely filler, and just there to give people content until the official manga chapters come out.
Didn't Obito say the distance between the dimensions was infinite? If travelling an amount of distance with Kamui takes X amount of chakra, then to travel an infinite size distance you should multiplie the amount of chakra required by infinite.
@@Mope333 There is no it stops at solar system level because the wording isekai and more implies it's bigger Everytime isekai is used in manga it means separate connected universe But when it comes to Naruto people have double standards like dude be consistent Also if we low ball kaguya has seven to six solar system sized demensions So she can't just be solar system level that's dum
@@orpheemulemo8053 1. She never created them. 2. In Naruto verse they call pocket dimensions as time spaces. 3. They need state space time continuum not just space time. Almost every pocket realtiy has some space and time flow but it doesnt mean they are Uni level.
@@Mope333 No it simply states she created it including in the guide books she made them that's why she can also destroy them it even states Amenominaka is the Ability to move them and swith places with them so when kaguya uses it againat team seven to transport them to the lava demension she is literally switching the naruto universe with her own Again her demensions are called isekais parrel worlds and even Obito says are vast it cannot be the same as his kamui demension It is again stated that Obito created the kamui demension in a data book entry
When will you ppl learn that Creation Feats scale you no where, It doesn’t matter if The limited Tsukuyomi created Parallel universes For all the ppl on earth, it doesn’t matter if Kaguya created 6 Dimensions with Starts in thm. The overarching issue is you still have no Values For these things and you can’t Prove it Follows into that person’s AP or Durability. For anyone here that Thinks they have The Answers Answer me How many Jouls of energy does it take to create a Planet
Well, to create a planet from scratch will require 10^41 joules to 10^42 joules of energy primarily due to mass-energy equivalence. If you are just assembling and gathering the materials to create the planet, you would need about 2×10^32 joules of energy. And I'm talking about earth in particular for both scenarios.
@@Kiyokoji23 Oh cool, Where is this information coming from. And if your Taking up for Naruto how would you standardize this into chakra. wht wiuld be thr conversion and why would it Follow into AP or Durability
@@Ab-stractsection4857 just search for the gravitational binding energy of a planet to determine its creation of you are just assembling or gathering the materials. To create from scratch, there's no raw materials used, so you will have to determine mass-energy equivalence of creating the whole planet which is why it's higher than just assembling the planet from materials already present. We apply Einstein's famous equation E=mc² to determine the energy required to just create the entire planet from pure energy. m is mass of what you are trying to create and c is the speed of light, a constant when it comes to these calculations. Since Earth's mass is approximately 5.972 × 10^24 kilograms. We can just do the calculations from there to get our answer.
@@Ab-stractsection4857 just search for the gravitational binding energy of a planet to determine its creation of you are just assembling or gathering the materials. To create from scratch, there's no raw materials used, so you will have to determine mass-energy equivalence of creating the whole planet which is why it's higher than just assembling tue planet from materials already present. We use Einstein's famous equation E=mc² to determine the energy required to create the planet from scratch. m is the mass of the planet which is 5.972×10^24 kilogram with c being the speed of light. So that's how I got the energy equivalent of creating the entire planet from scratch.
@@Ab-stractsection4857 you can just search for the gravitational binding energy of a planet to determine its creation of you are just assembling or gathering the materials. To create from scratch, there's no raw materials used, so you will have to determine mass-energy equivalence of creating the whole planet which is why it's higher than just assembling tue planet from materials already present. We use the famous equation of E=mc² to determine the energy required to create the planet from scratch. m is the mass of the planet which is 5.972×10^24 kilogram with c being the speed of light. So that's how I got the energy equivalent of creating the entire planet from scratch.
The thing is if narutos universe Scaling is accurate boruto era naruto at bear minimum is multi versal And people overlook a feat from naruto kawakis cyborg hang us connected to narutos chakra just like nagato transmitted Chakra to the pains body naruto was doing that too kawakis hand and naruto could do that while inside isshikis demensions and momoshikis demension
@@Oneshotmaster256 nah Hapi ain’t refuted them the updated Isekai stuff man. He literally publicly ducked Bullet like last year cuz of that. Hapi got dawg walked by aero.
Its those DBZ Trash fans that try to debunk Naruto Scaling, Lol I knew it... Cell wasn't mentioned in the video😂 But Cell ain't even Multi Star Level, Teen EMS Sasuke solos that fraud.
@@HiddenLeafHero15Frieza Is Universal in His Final Form Lol The Dragon Ball Cosmology is Bigger than ours earth in dragon ball is about 5x ours And Planet vegeta is 10x that And Frieza with 1 finger blew that up enough to light up a Galaxy Cell is literally 10X stronger than Frieza
Dis ain’t dragon ball Naruto no near that level + he’s has a time limit 😂😂 he’s isn’t even universal level that’s like comparing him to goku and vegeta
Naruto's power scaling is wierd af, kyubi = all the other 8 tails so 9 tails > 7-1 tails, so 9 tails is universal (or has the power to be uni) therefore hashirama and madara are uni ? Also 1rinnegan madara > 1 ms kakashi, madara got the full 10 tails and kakashi got a tiny bit of a worst 10 tails chakra, so therefore 10 tails madara >>>>>>> dms kakashi, and then kakashi blitzed kaguya, so is madara >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kaguya ? (In terms of speed)
@@Optimusmaximus123but im using the video's logic that all the seven beasts together are uni so... Also what about madara blitzing kaguya, what do you think?
bro dms kakashi gets six paths chakra from obito (making him be able to react to kaguya) plus it is stated that having both eyes of a dojutsu gives you a massive speed and power boost
@@Chad-jy9uk ok, madara got a better 6 paths chakra, 6 paths sage mode (only naruto has it) and also got another 2 eyes and each of them is a stronger dojutsu than the ms
@@yassiben madara does not have six paths sage mode, also the rennigan is different than the sharingan not necessarily stronger in fact the sharingan gives you better reaction speed than the rennigan, it just means that the combo of both kamui eyes is just that strong to eclipse madara's power and there is nothing in the story that says otherwise, and six paths chakra further amplifies this power, also this obito (kakishi got the chakra from was reacting to madara and the second eye makes him faster on top of this)
@@Blue11527 technically even if it can destroy a planet that doesn’t mean it’s limited to that since it was also said to be able to destroy her dimension and recreate it.
@@KingBullet123 it is in the databook. It wouldn't make sense to write it can destroy a planet but then it can destroy a universe. Also, the dimension are worlds are planets. Hapi made a good video on that. The other issue is that it was stated that the ten tails had the chakra of a small planet. So, even If you stard adding other charkas you could not reach even solar system level.
No chance universe 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 he has never shown anything above an explosion that you could still see the curve of the earth at best he has never even destroyed something even as big as America
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Road to Ninja also has Naruto knowing who Kushina is, with even flashbacks of their meeting on the Turtle Island. And Naruto himself confirms that he has KCM during his battle with Menma, but before he can use it, Kurama offers him a team-up. That would very much have to place the movie during War Arc events
3 years past and you still my favorite Naruto's content creator . And such a great guy. Goat was here.
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Been watching him for s long time now too, he earned his worth and time of being great if not, The greatest debater on naruto
Multiverse/multi realities in naruto cosmo confirmed
Bullet and noodles were right 👍🏻
No, possible different timelines do not confirm a multiverse.
@@Blue11527they're stated to be realities🤦♂️ they are real infinite amount timelines/realties
@@outer_pun no they are futures that could happen. That doesn't make them their own universe
@@Blue11527 possible futures for the home timeline but reality for the other infinite timelines
Again they r stated realities which makes them real
@@outer_pun a dream is also real but just because you dream doesn't mean that dream has its own universe and this somehow creates a multiverse. Same goes for here. He even calls it Visions a Classic term used by those who can see the future.
He even calls it a battle royal between the futures. He talks about the possibility of Futures and also Futures that did not happen. Like Jigen killing Naruto and getting Kawaki.
for me naruto is low balled galaxy+ and POTENTIALLY universal+ i just dont understand how one piece fans think luffy can even beat naruto
dont let naruto downplayers see this vid
In LN yes He should Be Galaxy+ with KCM Six Paths Sage Mode to Universal With Baryon
And in The Game he can be Universal+
Cause luffy is multiversal
@@x_Lords-Aizen lol yes if One piece P
lanet is 10¹⁰x Bigger than the universe maybe
The Fact is Luffy Is capping At Moon Level + with high balls
And Naruto Is Capping at Large Star+ - Multi-Solar With Lowballs
@@kaizel2264 ln is the same as anime naruto if you didnt know
@@kaizel2264 😂 😂, i mean yeah, luffy caps at star level, but still their fans trying to prove me that luffy is multiversal cause of mont-d'or book worlds lol
Hey kingbullet, Naruto stated that tenten wasn’t from his world and that she she should return to hers While she was in the infinite tsukuyomi, so I’m pretty sure all of the peoples dreams in the infinite tsukuyomi do indeed take place in an alternate universe.
Nice to see the road to ninja stuff used, and it can be valid imo especially when kishimoto has a direct hand in the script
Everything legally made under the IP is canon, if Kishimoto didn’t want people adding to his lore he shouldn’t have sold a pieces of it for people to create.
Not canon
@@ComputerBLEWStop it. Newgen Naruto fans are cringe I swear. I get y’all want to wank naruto and sasuke so you want “everything to be canon” but realistically that’s not how it works. Under the IP means it’s official (not fanmade) but doesn’t mean it’s CANON to the Naruto story.
@@QGUU it literally is, not even debatable kishimoto literally wrote a manga intro for the movie. Gets sold with official Naruto boxes and everything lol
@@yoku6790 Anything they own can get sold in bundles lol? And at the very least that only makes the manga intro canon not the movie and definitely not the filler
bullet I would like to add that as of the latest chapters of boruto the Naruto universe has multiversal cosmology
@@Cjusedit unfortunately this video came out before that was revealed.
It doesn’t it wasn’t mentioned when shibai got announced
Naruto at best is planetary lol
@@Multiversedestroyer2.01 ik u haven’t watched shippuden cus that was the most terrible take ever he been last planetary as a teen😭 he’s low ball galaxy to low uni
Say "King Bullet", do you think you could do a "Naruto vs Ichigo" video?
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Can you add the source in the description? I want to debate too so showing proof in my debate would be great
Watched the whole video i still don't feel entirely convinced you brought up so great points but idk it's just i'm not entirely sure creating a universe makes a character universal because there are characters that are basically fodder otherwise that have done that. Jo from Kid Cosmic having a portal stone and Fantos created a whole other universe in an instant and there are other examples but they elude me rn
but fr though amazing video the editing was perfect and your usage of resources was pretty top notch and i like how you at least admit the data books aren't perfect some many people clearly never passed 3rd grade reading class some niggas wanna use it as gospel💀
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Creating to universe would scale to them bcz they do it witch chakra and in Naruto chakra equal AP and the argument of them using "Hax" wouldn't work as Hax is also made out of chakra so besically in the Naruto verse chakra=Hax=ap. And in this case it also equals universal level Ap (could argue it's low multi)
To create a universe you need energy. Characters in Naruto can use energy to buff their stats. If you have enough energy to create a universe, you can put that same energy into a punch or something
@@pokeballblaze9835 Actually creating a universe is better feat than destroying a univer
Um actaully🤓🤓🤓🤓@@Wordetto101
How something is made matters, you’re bringing up a stone or whatever isn’t the same as Kaguya actually making parallel universes with her own power
Even base Naruto can destroy Universes so easily even by just Existing
No?
Something to note about the RtN timeline, Naruto at one point expresses concern about Killer Bee, which implies he's been to the turtle island and formed a connection with him. He also says "I'll use biju mode" at one point which implies he has KCM. However, he's chilling in the village, no one is prepping for war, etc. He still thinks Obito is Madara. This would mean he left the island before the war but after training with Bee, which doesn't fit the timeline. He also has basically the same conversation with Kurama in RtN that he does in the main timeline, where Kurama says he doesn't care for Madara and gives Naruto access to his chakra. It doesn't really make sense for them to have the same conversation twice without mentioning it.
At the end of the day, the Limited Tsukuyomi is still a Tsukuyomi, so it's still a genjutsu. If Obito is using the crystal ball to draw Naruto and Sakura into a shared genjutsu, that's fine, but it doesn't mean he filled that universe with as many literal stars and planets as the "main universe" has, or that he can output that level of energy in the "main universe." Like, if I can press a button that triggers a nuke, does that mean that my finger can flick someone with the power of a nuke? It's a fun topic to discuss, but I don't think this stuff is transferable back to Naruto's "real world"
He's certainly destroyed mine 😏😰
Can I try my hand at it 🤷🏿♂️
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@@Yorch_TV nah I'm just like orochimaru...were experimental 🫠
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naruto can yes or no but boruto can absolutely
boruto isnt even stronger than isshiki level, naruto and isshiki are currently the top tiers of the verse and none has a concrete placement above them, daemon has the hax but lacks the physicalicty
@@UNKNOWNL3G3ND it takes time, but he will be stronger and powerful. Just wait and see.
Base Boruto exceeds naruto baryon mode speed as he dodging kawaki / isshiki rods in his base ! Also his uzuhiko one shot baryon mode ? I think he surpass naruto BM right now
@@x_Lords-Aizen
1) Kawaki rods=/= isshiki/jigens. even borushiki was dodging them and borushiki is so weak in comparison.
2) its wrong to say "base boruto" since thats the only boruto, only thing else is Karma Boruto and boruto doesn thave goood control of karma, meaning he also cannot extract it to its fullest, and even the fullest power he would gain would be less than what prime momoshiki had who was abusing roids.
3) u just made the statement that uzuhiko can oneshot baryon mode. which is only presumptions. and naruto is durable enough to tank that much and has healing to also survive till he defeats opponent
@@UNKNOWNL3G3ND Maybe you are right but okay
I think no one talks about the fact that a Sage Rasenshuriken got a Sage Jiraiya lvl threat like the human Path disintegrated, but a Kyubi Rasenshuriken got no effect on the Third Raikage.
It's because of Plot and It's not really infused with Tailed beast chakra
@@kaizel2264 Why not? At that point, KCM1 Naruto should be stronger than a base Rasenshuriken, so his punches should be more effective if the technique doesn't use KCM1 chakra.
@@Lucifer-v5vit's because of plot lol also Because kishimoto is actively holding back the feats do they don't go Destroying and flying around planets
@@kaizel2264 Yeah, but all the narrative that surrounds the Third Raikage says he is both the ultimate shield and spear, both of them above a KCM1 amped Rasenshuriken. That's insane, because a Sage Rasenshuriken causes more damage on Kurama than around 20 Odama Rasengans, so Rasenshuriken should at least be 20 times stronger a Odama Rasengan.
There was no kyubi rasenshuriken . It was base rasenshuriken , not even sage chakra .
That was the best pronunciation of onomonopia i have ever heard
2:44 a spacetime is a universe
to be 4d you don't need 4 spatial dimensions, that isn't even a thing
according to the theory of relativity there are only 3 spatial dimensions and one temporal dimension, which is what creates a universe (the universe is a 4d construct)
the 4th dimension literally is time.
"Our Universe as we know it has four dimensions: the three dimensions of space (up and down, left and right, back and forth), and one dimension of time that keeps us all ticking along."
"In Einstein's famous theory of relativity the concepts of immutable space and time aren't just put aside, they're explicitly and emphatically rejected. Space and time are now woven into a coexisting fabric. That is to say, we truly live in a four-dimensional universe."
"In everyday life, we inhabit a space of three dimensions - a vast 'cupboard' with height, width and depth, well known for centuries. Less obviously, we can consider time as an additional, fourth dimension, as Einstein famously revealed."
the universe is made out the 3 dimensions of space, the x y and z axis, and there's time, the 4th dimension.
the diagram that represents the universe is literally called a "SPACETIME" diagram, it shows space evolving through time.
"The physical universe is defined as all of space and time (collectively referred to as spacetime) and their contents."
wikipedia literally says that the universe is defined as spacetime lol
"In physics, spacetime, also called the space-time continuum, is a mathematical model that fuses the three dimensions of space and the one dimension of time into a single four-dimensional continuum." wikipedia literally says that a spacetime is a 4d structure
so yeah, 4 spatial dimensions isn't even a thing lmao, if a universe had only spatial dimensions it wouldn't even work cuz btw, space requires time to exist.
W as always...let them cry & pull headcanon because they can't read Japanese
You just bullied yourself
I want to see Baryon Mode vs. Eight Gates
naruto neg diff
Man what? Lol
Could Naruto defeat doctor strange (MCU) without time stone?
easily,none of the mcu avengers are even close to naruto, and that's considering that i scale him to only solar+,unlike bullet who puts him at uni+or so.
Bro Naruto literally speedblitz all of the entire MCU verse
@@somanchipranav1964😂😂 joke?
Can you read minds, I was literally debating with someone about this the second it was uploaded
I honestly believe Naruto is multiversal, and not a lot of people discredit the series
Naruto being universal level makes no sense anyway, look at his attack output and logically link it to all his previous outputs. It really doesn't make sense. Planet level for sure you can imagine that.
Do you think naruto is going to destroy his own planet or universe that doesn't make sense in character wise also the world is were the story takes place the author of Boruto in an interview said naruto and Sasuke got so strong he didn't want the children to get over shadowed by the flashy fights so he lowered the fighting
@@orpheemulemo8053Copium
Ever heard of this thing called attack potency it basically controlls the destruction around u by your attacks meaning if naruto is universal then every single character who have tanked his attacks like madara,obito and others will have universal level defence that means luffy aint touching them
@@shahroztariq468 Luffy doesn't have to touch them, someone like Goku outscales them and a character like Gojo can't be touched anyway. I don't really know what you're getting at bro. You're coping and that's okay.
@@orpheemulemo8053he’s just Moon level MAX
Bro... I just read the recent boruto spoilers and you are on to something with the road to ninja stuff
Naruto is only highest planetary level
If seven tailed beast combined have the power to create a universe according to kishimoto what about 9 or the Tentails it supports naruto calling the Tentails Chakra pool infinite
Naruto with kurama and 8 other biju basically has infinite chakra also Naruto has more chakra then kurama that’s another reason he out lived kurama in baryonmode, if he had less chakra then kurama Naruto would have died
I love this guy he has so much knowledge on Naruto w I been sayin Naruto is easily galaxy + to uni easy
Can you do the how strong is game boruto from the storm series
Actually if if we're going off of vs battle wiki a spacetime would be 4d
But Naruto isn’t
@@Mope333he’s 3d but 4d ap
I saw a stream trying to debunk universal naruto, and he said stars are space-time 😭
Also Naruto is definitely universal, bro existing causes tears in space and time at a universal range.
Being 4d doesn't require 4 spatial dimensions, time is a 4th dimension that acts as a continuum of infinite points where 3d space exists. So it does fit the criteria.
Exactly
I don't think you know what you're talking about 🤨
@@kakuzugoated873 "being 4D doesn't require 4 spatial dimension" Bruh what? 🤨
@@kakuzugoated873 Height,width and depth are the 3 dimensions. Time can be considered as a 4th dimension but it's not actually. A 4D thing cannot exist in our universe.
@@Wordetto101because time doesn’t exist
If Naruto defeats Sinbad Yes.
Finally a video like that thx bro 😎 🔥🫶🏾
Awesome video
naruto cannot destroy a universe snice his dc isnt universal
but his ap can reach universal levels base on the scaling
so only his ap can reach those lvls not his dc
It's naruto's choice to use his power in order to increase his AP or DC, even if his AP is universal, he will be consider as universal level being.
@@x_Lords-Aizen true but the video is quote on quote can he destroy a universe which means dc
@@lucionjones8685 I also think that naruto can't destroy a whole universe according to our modern physics but anime cosmology also differ, as kaguya can destroy her dimensions and reboot them and this man proofs that her dimensions were bigger like a universe means kaguya holds that level of DC, also if we consider Shibai, but i personally thinks that naruto can't destroy or holds a DC of that level, he can't blow up the whole universe in a single attack, not even ichigo is capable of doing this. But yeah ! Naruto is universal + in terms of AP.
No main character will want to destroy their planet or universe which will require DC than AP, take ichigo from bleach for example whose strongest DC feat is on a mountain level from his strongest attack in his strongest form just below his true bankai against aizen but scaling says ichigo is universal or more when his highest destructive capabilities is around mountain level, the hell movie is not considered canon and that's the only thing fans use as evidence to back up their claims.
Compared to naruto who has more reference and feat that ichigo
@@lucionjones8685 your AP=DC. Kishimoto during Boruto movie interview said he made them tone down the fights so the new gen can shine and everyone not be distracted by Naruto and Sasuke s flashy jutsu.
Can you scale boruto? And his jutsu base off how strong his base is
In one of your more recent vid you said that Gокu is close to Sаitаma well i completely disagree with that so how about we discuss it in the cord and. If you disagree thats totally fine but your db and gокu downрlay are crazy if you think Goku caps at 4D. (You be shocked by how strong he is)
I technically didn’t. All I said was it might be competitive. Regardless I was just using video rhetoric to gass Saitama up for that video. Take most my stuff with a grain of salt. Even this video about uni Naruto is highball.
@KingBullet123
Ohh well mb then but I will ask anyway where do you scale Goku? Just asking bcz even saying Goku is competitive or even slightly close to the OPM verse is a massive Goku downplay to me.
@@konstantindimitrov9190the opm verse can be scaled to multiversal as of the latest chapters that the only reason why he said this
Kishimoto writing the movie does not make it canon. The one-shot conflicts majorly with the actual manga since it shows the Akatsuki still alive far after they started dying. The movie conflicts by showing the Zetsu substituting for the Akatsuki, which obviously never happened, nor do the Zetsu even have that ability by that point. The timeline analysis is muddled as Naruto went straight from Konoha after Pain's defeat to the Gokage Kaidan, and immediately after that he started to make preparations to go to Genbu. There is no spare day for him to go through this genjutsu adventure, amongst other problems (like the jutsu not even working the same way). Not the strongest opening argument.
Momoshiki and Kinshiki were in the same universe when they discovered the cracks as they are noted to be traveling physically to the planet. "Kaguya's World" could just refer to the star system, instead, for example. They do not use the cracks to get to Earth, either, they just travel to it conventionally.
Sage of Six Paths Mode and the Truth Seeking Orbs allows him to control all in the universe/the nature of the universe, not the universe itself.
Jin no Sho states the Truth Seeking Orbs possess the power to wipe away an entire forest, so clearly it is not referring to universal powers, as otherwise the forest point would be entirely moot.
All in the universe, again, does not refer to the universe itself, in relation to Yin-Yang Release as a whole.
Hagoromo did not actually create form from nothingness as he did have a base to work from. Seems closer to alchemy or highly advanced medical ninjutsu.
A more recent magazine seems to say Baryon Mode itself has the power to destroy a universe, which I can believe.
@@Arcadia_warlic
The akatsuki weren’t real dude, they were zetsu clones. We literally see them shapeshift back into them.
First I would have heard of a Star system being called a world. Momoshiki was implied to have been in the lava dimension before he saw Earth’s dimension. So there no way to say where he was but he was literally looking in Kaguya’s dimensions first. He even encountered Sasuke in the Ice dimension.
The true seeking orbs are condensed so being able to destroy a forest may just be dc not ap. clearly it’s ap is much higher than forest level since it can erase stronger characters. So containing universal ap isn’t contradictory.
Shinrabansho refers to all creation and the universe they are one and the same. So the translation is correct. All a lot the translations I use are from official or highly regarded translators.
@@KingBullet123 Yes, and the Zetsu are not shown being able to do that by that point. It is unclear Obito even had that many Zetsu before the war at all... For reference, the movie suggested that many of the killed Akatsuki were actually Zetsu in disguise which, obviously, did not happen.
He was not in the lava dimension. He was on a random planet with a civilization he had just destroyed.
With senjutsu, Naruto is able to crack Obito's Truth Seeking Orbs, and I doubt Naruto by that point is nearing universal.
I am not contesting the translations, I am contesting the interpretations, herein, I believe it means the concepts/understandings within creation, rather than the act of/entirety of creation itself.
@@Arcadia_warlic
1. Shapeshifting is just an ability white zetsu have not something learned later. Also we literally see the Akatsuki summoned back to obito and melt into zetsu so it’s not up for debate.
2. Actually we are talking about two different scenes. But even the other one is up for interpretation.
3. Well I did literally say it was up for interpretation. However the tsb for example says the power of the universe is contained within it and it’s not like the tsb controls reality around it so is suggested to be a power related thing.
@@KingBullet123 1. Again, not clear if Obito has that many Zetsu by the start of Part II, and the idea that the Akatsuki were being swapped out like that only exists in the movie, which brings its canonicity into question, which was my point.
3. Power derived from the nature of the universe. Kaguya's even had the power to create a new one, for example.
Where's the how strong is avatar aang video
@@arinzepaul7899 privated
@@KingBullet123 please can you make a naruto vs aang or korra vs boruto video?
Very goated video
Fans hate this
I think adult naruto is galaxy + level without baryon mode cause of the red shift nebula in momoshiki's dimension and naruto was fighting toe to toe with FUSED momoshiki in his base. BUT..... After seeing Shibai, i can't hold myself to accept that naruto is universal.
adult naruto without BM is uni+ to low
@@trevorcsizmar2222 Yeah ! That's why i said "without baryon mode"
Naruto is universal level 🤓👆 *gets crushed to death by a cube*
And couldn't catched a thief
He is
@@josue_1887 Goku is multiversal. But got hurt by some bullets, and still gets hungry. Naruto not catching bandits it's completely filler, and just there to give people content until the official manga chapters come out.
I didn't know not getting crushed by a cube was a requirement to be universal.
@Swagjutsusolosfiction
Goku ain't multiversal we ain't 2021 no more I thought the outerversal meta was already the standard for dragon ball scaling.
Didn't Obito say the distance between the dimensions was infinite? If travelling an amount of distance with Kamui takes X amount of chakra, then to travel an infinite size distance you should multiplie the amount of chakra required by infinite.
In the official he just says very large
Well Obito got debunked just like Kaguya etc…. But it can go beyond a Planet level but stops at Solar System level
@@Mope333 There is no it stops at solar system level because the wording isekai and more implies it's bigger
Everytime isekai is used in manga it means separate connected universe
But when it comes to Naruto people have double standards like dude be consistent
Also if we low ball kaguya has seven to six solar system sized demensions
So she can't just be solar system level that's dum
@@orpheemulemo8053 1. She never created them.
2. In Naruto verse they call pocket dimensions as time spaces.
3. They need state space time continuum not just space time. Almost every pocket realtiy has some space and time flow but it doesnt mean they are Uni level.
@@Mope333 No it simply states she created it including in the guide books she made them that's why she can also destroy them it even states Amenominaka is the Ability to move them and swith places with them so when kaguya uses it againat team seven to transport them to the lava demension she is literally switching the naruto universe with her own
Again her demensions are called isekais parrel worlds and even Obito says are vast it cannot be the same as his kamui demension
It is again stated that Obito created the kamui demension in a data book entry
GOOD VID
Definitely yes
18:03 Naruto did do this
Mostly since he holds the highest amount on chakra on Earth by far.
@@KingBullet123 It just makes perfect sense
When will you ppl learn that Creation Feats scale you no where, It doesn’t matter if The limited Tsukuyomi created Parallel universes For all the ppl on earth, it doesn’t matter if Kaguya created 6 Dimensions with Starts in thm.
The overarching issue is you still have no Values For these things and you can’t Prove it Follows into that person’s AP or Durability.
For anyone here that Thinks they have The Answers Answer me How many Jouls of energy does it take to create a Planet
Well, to create a planet from scratch will require 10^41 joules to 10^42 joules of energy primarily due to mass-energy equivalence.
If you are just assembling and gathering the materials to create the planet, you would need about 2×10^32 joules of energy.
And I'm talking about earth in particular for both scenarios.
@@Kiyokoji23 Oh cool, Where is this information coming from. And if your Taking up for Naruto how would you standardize this into chakra. wht wiuld be thr conversion and why would it Follow into AP or Durability
@@Ab-stractsection4857 just search for the gravitational binding energy of a planet to determine its creation of you are just assembling or gathering the materials.
To create from scratch, there's no raw materials used, so you will have to determine mass-energy equivalence of creating the whole planet which is why it's higher than just assembling the planet from materials already present.
We apply Einstein's famous equation E=mc² to determine the energy required to just create the entire planet from pure energy.
m is mass of what you are trying to create and c is the speed of light, a constant when it comes to these calculations.
Since Earth's mass is approximately 5.972 × 10^24 kilograms.
We can just do the calculations from there to get our answer.
@@Ab-stractsection4857 just search for the gravitational binding energy of a planet to determine its creation of you are just assembling or gathering the materials.
To create from scratch, there's no raw materials used, so you will have to determine mass-energy equivalence of creating the whole planet which is why it's higher than just assembling tue planet from materials already present.
We use Einstein's famous equation E=mc² to determine the energy required to create the planet from scratch.
m is the mass of the planet which is 5.972×10^24 kilogram with c being the speed of light.
So that's how I got the energy equivalent of creating the entire planet from scratch.
@@Ab-stractsection4857 you can just search for the gravitational binding energy of a planet to determine its creation of you are just assembling or gathering the materials.
To create from scratch, there's no raw materials used, so you will have to determine mass-energy equivalence of creating the whole planet which is why it's higher than just assembling tue planet from materials already present.
We use the famous equation of E=mc² to determine the energy required to create the planet from scratch.
m is the mass of the planet which is 5.972×10^24 kilogram with c being the speed of light.
So that's how I got the energy equivalent of creating the entire planet from scratch.
Damn
The thing is if narutos universe Scaling is accurate boruto era naruto at bear minimum is multi versal
And people overlook a feat from naruto kawakis cyborg hang us connected to narutos chakra just like nagato transmitted Chakra to the pains body naruto was doing that too kawakis hand and naruto could do that while inside isshikis demensions and momoshikis demension
Drip ain't even watch the video and he gonna say something dumb
@flowerboy821
Fr drip_sauce downplay the verse a lot but atleast his dragon ball scale are goated.
Still a Ichigo victim
😭😭the insecurity is crazy
Get that Rimuru victim outta here.
Most of this shit was debunked by hapi. Hapi negged king bullet
Nah these are new revised stuff plus bullet no diffed him
@@rahulrahanu4415 no bullet lost that debate and he lost badly and these claims bullet made have been debunked by hapi
@@Oneshotmaster256 nah Hapi ain’t refuted them the updated Isekai stuff man. He literally publicly ducked Bullet like last year cuz of that. Hapi got dawg walked by aero.
@@rahulrahanu4415 no he didn’t bro wtf u yapping about? Bullet never wanted to debate hapi again 💀
@@rahulrahanu4415 he debunked everything about isekai
Someone must be having super duper high level iq if they think Naruto gets past planet level
Should i care? John cena still stomps all no dif
Cell still solos the verse
Cell would actually get negged by truth seeking orbs but yes cell can blow the verse away
get cell past solar system lvl first buddy ppl really will wank dbz chracters beyond what they capable
Its those DBZ Trash fans that try to debunk Naruto Scaling, Lol I knew it...
Cell wasn't mentioned in the video😂
But Cell ain't even Multi Star Level, Teen EMS Sasuke solos that fraud.
cell hell na.
buu hell yeah.
,atleast according to my scaling (not using the uni scaling)
@@HiddenLeafHero15Frieza Is Universal in His Final Form Lol
The Dragon Ball Cosmology is Bigger than ours earth in dragon ball is about 5x ours And Planet vegeta is 10x that And Frieza with 1 finger blew that up enough to light up a Galaxy
Cell is literally 10X stronger than Frieza
Lol, naruto is low galaxy level
Prove it bud we can run the hands 👊🏾
Hell no.
No he can’t
How about no lmao
No
Dis ain’t dragon ball Naruto no near that level + he’s has a time limit 😂😂 he’s isn’t even universal level that’s like comparing him to goku and vegeta
@@darkwolfsupermejb6964 your right it isn't db characters are comp multi to outer. Naruto is only around high uni.
@@Swagjutsusolosfictionnot even
He ain’t strong enough literally I can name a lot of people who easily beat Naruto low difficulty
Naruto's power scaling is wierd af, kyubi = all the other 8 tails so 9 tails > 7-1 tails, so 9 tails is universal (or has the power to be uni) therefore hashirama and madara are uni ? Also 1rinnegan madara > 1 ms kakashi, madara got the full 10 tails and kakashi got a tiny bit of a worst 10 tails chakra, so therefore 10 tails madara >>>>>>> dms kakashi, and then kakashi blitzed kaguya, so is madara >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kaguya ? (In terms of speed)
you dont get to downscale like that
kurama isnt uni
juubito and ppl above him is
@@Optimusmaximus123but im using the video's logic that all the seven beasts together are uni so... Also what about madara blitzing kaguya, what do you think?
bro dms kakashi gets six paths chakra from obito (making him be able to react to kaguya) plus it is stated that having both eyes of a dojutsu gives you a massive speed and power boost
@@Chad-jy9uk ok, madara got a better 6 paths chakra, 6 paths sage mode (only naruto has it) and also got another 2 eyes and each of them is a stronger dojutsu than the ms
@@yassiben madara does not have six paths sage mode, also the rennigan is different than the sharingan not necessarily stronger in fact the sharingan gives you better reaction speed than the rennigan, it just means that the combo of both kamui eyes is just that strong to eclipse madara's power and there is nothing in the story that says otherwise, and six paths chakra further amplifies this power, also this obito (kakishi got the chakra from was reacting to madara and the second eye makes him faster on top of this)
Kaguyas massive black orb attack can destroy a planet. We have not seen an attack stronger then that. The whole verse is capped at planetary.
@@Blue11527 technically even if it can destroy a planet that doesn’t mean it’s limited to that since it was also said to be able to destroy her dimension and recreate it.
@@KingBullet123 it is in the databook. It wouldn't make sense to write it can destroy a planet but then it can destroy a universe.
Also, the dimension are worlds are planets. Hapi made a good video on that.
The other issue is that it was stated that the ten tails had the chakra of a small planet. So, even If you stard adding other charkas you could not reach even solar system level.
No chance universe 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 he has never shown anything above an explosion that you could still see the curve of the earth at best he has never even destroyed something even as big as America
Bro it is going to be 2025 Learn wtf is AP 🤧🙏😭
Naruto is not passing large planet lvl for me because he has never shown himself to be far surpassing those levels of power
💀it’s almost 2025 learn what ap is