Memorizing - Part 1: Muscle Memory
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
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Team Muscle Memory or Team Semantic Memory? Tell me in the comments! :P
Memorization is such a big topic and everyone struggles with it - me too. As everyone's brain is working differently there is no "golden rule" of memorizing something. Generally I am working a lot with my muscle memory but I would combine it with other memory types and memorizing techniques - but this will be part of another video;P
Es ist schwer mit Worten zu beschreiben. Denn die Muskeln werden ja immer vom Gehirn aus angesteuert, haben kein eigenes Gedächtnis o. ä. Es geht wohl um verschiedene Bereiche bzw. Areale des Gehirns, die bei verschiedenen Methoden dominieren, zusammenarbeiten usw. Ich kann aber die künstliche Trennung bei der Beschreibung nachvollziehen. Mir fehlen die Worte. Für mich ist es ein Wunder, was das menschliche Gehirn, was mein Gehirn zu leisten vermag.
i love you Anik..
Thanks for a great start ..........
Very important topic.
Perhaps the most important of all?
I hope you dare to try to get to the bottom of this topic.
But you probably do not dare to be completely honest, regarding this very important topic for musicians and music.
But hope you try and wait anxiously for your final conclusions.
The subject has been circulating in my brain for approx. 60 years.
For me I prefer neither one nor the other...
The two will be very important together...
And by the way, I haven't seen you on your channel about Semantic Memory yet...
I'll be waiting...
Yeah has to be team both for me :) also with a smattering of somewhat unreliable photographic on top of it. Muscle memory is great, but getting lost in a piece where I didn't do the work of learning the harmonies is a terrifying thought.
Then again muscle memory is pretty rad - picking up some pieces I haven't touched in 15 years or more kind of flooded back really quickly. Still, learning better fingerings than I had at 16 still means more work 😂
It is silly how every time I can play something with muscle memory I get so much joy and impressed with myself like "how did I do that :0"
Sameeee lol
Lmao sameee
Same!!! :D
till the time to break the steps down ... wait what o.O 😂
Out of my own experience, it is funny how you practice a part for hours, you get frustrated and so, and next day you play it like it is nothing 😂
That is what the brain is great, creating the connections that make it easier :)
Or the opposite. Something that just flows on Monday is a hot mess on Tuesday.
I think I relate to this.
Brain makes connections during rests. Try to rest every 20/40 minutes and you'll see you don't need to sleep to play better👀
The brain takes some time to create new neural pathways to establish a routine. Usually happens when we're sleeping.
For me, when I'm playing a piece I haven't been playing for a while, I am able to play it with muscle memory but the second I started to think about the music I'd forget how to play the piece.
Yes omg, when i start to think or look my hand i just blank and asked my self where my finger should go,but when i play by thinking other thing i just finished the piece 🤣
Same with me
That’s a bad memory habit. This is why you need to analyze music and do harmonic memorization, pattern memorization and 2-5 measure drilling to perfection. It’s well worth it especially if you learn to memorize each measure # and can begin the piece at ANY point some other person names
@@lucidviolin1298 What is 2-5 measure drilling? 🙂
@@guitarmartin1 just what it sounds like: you drill between two and five measures of a difficult spot to memorize and you just memorize it and drill it in different rhythms depending what type of acrobatics are happening. Helps you memorize it and perfected smoothly within 5 to 10 minutes depending on how hard it is and what level you’re at.
Muscle memory for me, but sometimes it can play me tricks: I definitely struggle to catch the piece I've memorized at a random place, I always need to start from a "checkpoint", or even from the beginning.
And I noticed it's more blatant on slow pieces than faster or more technical ones.
Same here
same :c
The checkpoints! I couldn't put it to words until I read your comment, it's so accurate
Exactly! I do know how to explain myself now... thanks
Wow, this, so much this! My teacher told me once "start from measure 23". I lost it. I told him i cant. He said, "are you joking, you are playing it lightning fast and very well, why cant you start from there".
Some comments I could add to the nice and interesting video:
Muscle memory is essential. however it comes unconsciously. My advice after a lot of piano competition: It is very dangerous to rely only on this muscle memory if you need to play on stage:
With stress, piano new sounds, you may sometimes lose your “cool” and trust in your unconscious to find back automatically next note. At that moment , where your mind says “ danger”, you will have a hard time to stay in “unconscious mode” and your mind will switch in conscious mode and you will ask yourself:” it sounded strange. Isn’t it” ?“what is the next note? » « is it here or above? »
At this time it would be better to wish you learned your music in a « conscious” way. This is more preparation work but if you did the work, your mind is at peace that you know every piece of the score and will not start to doubt during your performance on stage.
The day I understood this solved all my memory issues in public
This so well explained. It is very hard to put words on feelings in general, especially when it comes with what happening in your head playing music, with lot of habits, under stress.
Yes this is what I have heard too but I’m so lost on where to start with learning “consciously”
Any advice?
In addition to what you discuss, which is all quite helpful, I'm a fan of introducing novelty into the learning and memorization processes.
For example, I enjoy memorizing in retrograde, starting at the end of the piece and gradually making my way back to the beginning section by section while always playing to the end.
Not only does this provide a novel perspective on the piece (like looking at a painting upside down), but it can sometimes undo the very normal outcome of learning a piece in a linear way which results in knowing earlier material better than later material. In theory, one should know a piece equally well across every note of every measure of every phrase or every section or every movement.
As another example, I will often make difficult sections of a piece into a finger exercise through simple manipulation like sequencing and inversion, in addition to rhythmic manipulation/development in the way you do.
Transposition or tonal sequencing exercises are a classic way to get to know the unique shape and feel of any given figure or gesture.
Finally, I love playing along with my favorite performers. I was going back to play some old Schubert repertoire a few months ago, and decided to play along with Murray Pariah's interpretation of the piece, his ideas about dynamic and tempo expression, his ideas about voicings and obscured melodies.
Hearing his details very much helped me think about the importance of every note, every rest, every dynamic and articulation, every tempo change. It's a bit like trying a dish cooked by a great chef in order to help you connect with your own cooking.
Great videos, keep up the good work!
I have also done learning in reverse. Usually the most difficult parts are more towards the end, so you end up repeating them more often if you start learning from the end
These videos are literally worth thousands of euro/pounds/dollars. Thank you Annique for making this fantastic resource available. I am sure that you are encouraging many people to up their musical game significantly.
Please do Hungarian Rhapsody No2 Friska!!!
Edit:LOVE your videos btw
Agree. That is a good idea!
She did this already! 👍👍
Maybe because of your request!?!🥰
@@sideglance thx
5:05 At this moment I straightened my back. Thank you for video!
Currently doing this for singing and it's helping my voice tremendously. I am learning guitar and piano as well. Once you get a good coach that shoes you how to access muscle memory the sky is the limit. It took me many years to understand this and its more intuitive than anything. I am doing all kinds of research on how to build it right.
this is so true and one of the difficulties pianists encounter when performing: the piano on stage is not the same as the one you practice with and this messes up your muscle memory. Thankyou for your advice!
thank you for this amazing video! i'm looking forward to your part 2 soon!
This is really interesting - I've never given thought to how I memorise pieces, it always just kind of happened. So I suppose muscle memory is how I work. I absolutely get what you mean about differences causing insecurities. It's like suddenly everything is so different and feels incredibly unfamiliar! You put it a great way.
That paper exercise also reminded me of a similar thing a teacher showed me, basically forcing you to go back to the start to try and embed new changes in memory.
Keep up the great videos!
Great topic!
Hope for Part 2, thanks Annique!
Thank you so much, Annique! Waiting for next part!
Team muscle memory for sure! It was a very interesting video thank you for all the tips!
Great video! Very insightful. I hope you make more like this in the future!
This is super useful. Not only does it give great suggestions, but it also gives a lot of insight on how a high level pianist practices. Sometimes it gets frustrating to spend so much time practicing and show so little progress. More!
Excellent! Thank you very much for sharing with us.
Years ago, I hadn't watched any RUclips videos for advice. Not a lot of this advice would have occurred to me. I've watched lots of videos in the last 18 months and am pleased to say lots of your techniques come to me naturally now. I understand the reasons why to use them.
Tanks for sharing your experience and tips...
I remember one teacher told me that there are three memories: 1) of the sound, 2) the fingers and 3) the gesture. Usually one can help each other in case of failure.
You are also 100% right, we are always boring in playing slowly, but this is the key to the way to play faster in fact.
Also, there’s a huge difference between “practicing slowly” and “practicing in slow motion”. When practicing in slow motion, you play as if you’re a video recording slowed down. It’s a completely different feeling. It’s much more like playing fast and it’s much easier to speed up.
That was an outstanding tutorial. As a beginner, I'm just finding my way in piano. There were so many great thinks pointed out in this video. thank you.
Vielen Dank! Sehr interessant, wie Du das empfindest - sehr wertvoll! Bin auf die weiteren Videos in dieser Reihe gespannt. 😃
Thank you. It gives me new ideas and motivates me.
Fantastic video !
Great work !
From one Concert Pianist to another-great job!👏👏🎹
Very good information. Love watching you and the real struggles you have in the art.
Love what you said about how posture in practice can affect posture when performing! I haven’t actually thought that through before like this, and it really makes sense the way said it. Thank you!
I learned once about 4 memories. Muscle, visual, semantic (theoretical) and by ear. I loved what you mentioned about every single muscle in your body remembers what you repeat.. even the way you breath, tje way you feel, that's why if you are nervous for a presentation your muscle memory may fall apart!
That is one of the reasons why I am eagerly waiting for part 2 and 3 .... and part 4 and maybe I hope it a part 5 or more on this topic?
I can not see in my theory books or remember that it has been reviewed during my own music education?
So very very important topic.
I love this video. Such valuable insights into this extremely difficult art.
It's very helpful Annique ❤️ I need this vídeo.
I found this really useful - lots of excellent advice here. Thank you.
Incredibly interesting and valuable! Thank you.
Ich habe in diesem einzigen Video mehr gelernt als in einem ganzen Jahre Klavierunterricht. Weil es so grundlegende Dinge sind, die einem für jedes Stück nützlich sind. Danke!
You are an inspiration.
great video as usual! I really liked how you mentioned that fingering is a sort of choreography for the fingers, I think that's a very good point. Thank you for all the good advice!
Thank you very much for sharing this valuable information, topics like these should always be exposed and important to develop as a pianist, I hope you continue uploading videos with topics like these. ❤️
Incredible, i clicked on this video because i was planning to memorize op 10 n4 and that's the piece you use as an example :D . Your methods are brillant and i see you really are a good disciplinarian despite the appearances and that is influencing my practice excellently to get results.
Amazing 😃 very informative 🎶. Thanks for sharing 🙃. Muscle memory alright. Next next part 2😃
ngl I would love to have someone like you as my teacher because your just so straightforward! ❤️ 😃 🎹
Thank you very much! The rhythm method seems very good, was searching for something like that!
This is so helpful! I have a serious issue with not being able to memorize pieces. I self taught for 15 years, and mostly sight read everything. It wasn’t until recently I started taking lessons that I started practicing the way you’re describing. It’s helping so much! I should really try practicing with different rhythms too because I haven’t done that yet but can definitely see the benefit of it.
Side note - I really enjoy your videos!
Great video as always!!! Very much looking forward to part 2. I struggle much with identifying patterns which help me memorize the structure of a passage (liebestraum 3 cadenzas).
Very interesting topic! I think I’m more a muscle memory player. I hope I can start practicing using some of your useful tips. Thanks and cheers. ✌🏻
Thank your so much for memorizing! I love to memorize!
Good question! I personally use the terms cognitive and motor memory. Both are equally important for me. To make the best use of both, I try to apply what I've learned from neuroscientific research and cognitive psychology. What I found immensly interesting with regard to motor memory is the research of the Dutch neuroscientist Erik Scherder. He researches what happens in our brains when we make music. One thing he found is that people who learned to play an instrument and later developed Alzheimer can still play even if they are close to the final comatose stage of the disease. He discovered that a specific part of the brain is not affected by the disease. So all these hours and hours of practice will stay with us to the end!
Another thing I learned is that techniques used in cognitive learning work equally well for learning complex motor skills. To give a practical example: yes, I also use slow practice, rhythms and moving objects from left to right, but also flashcards and everything you can do with these such as slicing and spaced repetition. I found that slicing in particular is very effective. To do this, you divide the piece in small sections, put each on a card, shuffle the cards, and then practice each card as they come for about 2 minutes.
You are right. It's a huge subject but also very interessant. Thanks!
Loved the outtakes! Nice video, thanks! I must try more rhythms..
Love this new series and the background music is nice. Also, I’ve heard of people using 10 coins instead of 10 pieces of paper which I thought was interesting because you can literally use anything for that technique!! I’m looking forward to the next video 🎶
I suffered a lot in this Op 10#4 during my studies. Now 25 years later I came across the correct wrist movements which are actually quite straightforward, and all of a sudden this piece seems very doable!! I am very optimistic!
Started playing piano in December as i got finally a piano for Christmas at 31 years old. Working on some pieces here and there but mainly on Moonlight Sonata 1st mvt. Almost ,only have 6 bars to master now but i can confirm muscle memory is just unbelievable :D Always repeat slowly to make sure to get the right movement with the right rythm then pacing up slowly . Love the videos lways learning something !
I learned and play the piano on my own and this have been very helpful
Thank you! I spend everyday of my life for last 2 1/2 years non stressing my physical body. Use my mind more but even focus on not over bearing my vision while sight reading. No clutching of hands ever. My Mother told me not to ever clutch your hands when you sleep when I was 8 years old. It's a habit with me when I awake at night that my hands are relaxed. Good practice! I love this lesson as it contains so much useful insight that should be common sense...but must be discovered. Wish you were giving zoom lessons. I take from a Gifted Ukrainian teacher from Chicago and a Master Taubman Teacher off and on. I live in Los Angeles. Thank you again for sharing your craft especially about muscle memory and posture.
Some great advice in here. I never thought of muscle memory being a whole body thing before. It was obvious when you pointed it out.
Please continue those kind of videos
It really really help me !!!🙏🙏
I always visualise the piece as a whole... and the muscle memory just kicks in. After practicing a lot I just remember where my hands should go.
lol and i learnt myself. which is why I’m watching this.
Great insight on these somewhat
Maybe overlooked factors.
Thanks for this.
This video is incredibly helpful. Thankyou so much! Looking forward to more discussions on memorization.
A combination of analytical and muscle memory usually works well for me. For small, fast sections I can rely on muscle memory but I’ve noticed that when the music is slower my muscle memory is far less reliable.
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Thank you for raising this interesting subject. There are many forms, or types, of memory, which are linked to our basic human senses. For crafts, artistry and music, I submit that it's how one's brain shifts between procedural memory, i.e., long-term memory that recalls how we do things physically and mentally, and working/short-term memory. The human brain is a fascinating labyrinth of complex processors and sensors.
Your suggestions are a wonderful reminder of my early piano lessons with Eloise Niwa and Adolf Herseth (both with Chicago Symphony). Valuable stuff!!
There are several RUclips videos on memorization, but this one is the best. I´m ¨stuck¨ using only muscle memory, so I look forward to the next installment. Brava! --Chuck
Great video, I will try the sheet-exercise you showed at the end,...
So glad I found your channel. Great tips and explanation of them with the examples! Excited to try these exercises 😀 Love your style of teaching and humor. Def team muscle memory, but I want to explore adding more emotion into my songs from the start. Instead of adding that later on.
Love your videos ❤️
I’m currently learning Chopin’s Fantasie-Impromptu. You’re 1 minute/10 minute/60 minute video actually inspired me to do it. I have up to the Largo memorised and I found the biggest help there was different rhythms by just fitting the right hand with the triplets (long-long-short-short; long-short-short-long; short-short-long-long) and that helped immensely. The Largo isn’t as easy but I’ll try the 10 page method tomorrow! I’ve been doing about an hour a day on it since last Monday 😁
Applied this today and now have the whole piece from memory! Thanks for your tips 😄
I’m probably too much muscle memory and not enough semantics. I know exactly what you mean when you’re performing and any slight change of movement than what you’re used to, on top of the pressure of performing, makes me insecure and I’ll forget or mess up. So frustrating.
wow great 😊
I LOVE this videooo
🥰Thank you for this teaching.
I will practice soon as my piano come next week.
Greeting from Netherland.
I try to use a combination of muscle memory, visual memory, acoustic memory and brain/analytical memory (especially that) because to be honest when I used to be on stage I had many memory laps when I was depended mostly on my muscle memory. Nevertheless, I totally agree with the slow practice and if I may add: morning practice. The results are unbelievable if you practice slowly in the morning with a clear mind. Thank you for all your videos. You’re an inspiration!
Muscle Memory makes the world go round
a heart from her will made my day, super duper love your videos ♥♥♥♥
I've never had trouble memorizing music with any composer EXCEPT BACH! He is the only one I struggle with and now I want to memorize one prelude and one fugue for an audition in the end of May. Wish me luck 😅
I really need part 2. That was helpful
Like it a lot😀
Muscle memory all the way! Although semantic memory comes to be very useful and I guess one can say they both go hand in hand. :D
Love your videos!
Thank you for sharing this ! Great video 👍 You convinced me that I actually need a teacher 😂 and that I'll practice staccato very slooowly from now ! Tschüss
...so I think I understood you to say that since posture is important when playing, and since all behavior both at and away from the piano, ends up in muscle memory, that we must remember to sit up straight when away from the piano. I'm imagining you and a pianist friend having lunch and reminding each other to sit up, whenever either party's posture falters. I can't help but admire the discipline which goes into all this. My Hall and Oates repertoire is quite a bit less demanding to learn. :)
Thank you
Thank you for this video, it is something that's not talked about enough I believe as memorisation can be very difficult. Every detail and getting that muscle memory is near impossible to get in the first place, let alone trying to perform the piece after remembering them!
Thanks 🙏
I like the piece of paper method, sounds good
One technique I use is uneven rhythms which you discussed in this video. I find that uneven rhythms not only help with memorizing but helps make passages smooth and flowing even though the written times of each note are not all the same.
Another technique I use is harmonic analysis. If a passage is actually a string of e-flat major chords played in arpeggios then knowing that helps me to commit it to memory.
Another technique I learned recently is to memorize a piece starting at the end of the piece and learning sections that come at the end. As you learn a section you move to a new section that comes before it and working your way towards the beginning. This is useful if the piece is somewhat lengthy. If you learn a piece from beginning to end then the ending sections can be the parts you spend the least time on making it more likely that you might forget a passage at the end of the piece during a performance.
part 2? i need more this one was incredible!
I'm so used to learn music through muscle memory that I forgot that there are other methods too... I can't wait to see your next video, Anni!!!🙃✨ Btw.. those slippers look comfy!!!😅
I think for me it's a combination of knowing how the piece sounds and muscle memory. If I go into learning a piece I'm more familiar with, learning seems much easier since I have a general idea of what it's supposed to sound like. Then I just go from there and practice until I know the movements.
Also I saw Sokolov live yesterday! It was very good. He played some amazing pieces like the Ab major Polonaise and the 10 preludes by Rach. Gave 3 encores too 🤣
Nice
Thanks
Very nice Video, I like it, have a good Day.
Thankyou, I have improvised music though not done very much from memory without music scores
why so cute? hihi thanks for the tips ;) I just learning piano, and you are one of my reference I want to learn with
I love this video! Great tips! I also memorise pieces trusting my muscle memory, but for me its as well not enough, my head during performance likes to be shitting with me and for example checking me if i know this certain part of a piece. That's when i have to be sure what is exactly in the music. So for me its probably like 70% for muscle memory and 30% for my brain memory. The other one is very tiring, but what helps me practice is to imagine that im playing a piece in my head, and try to go thru it, not sitting at the piano. Its really hard, but once i manage that i can tell i really know the piece.
Thanks for this video! Its such a big topic and some pianists pretend that there is never a problem in that field as if they naturally are geniuses, remembering all the pieces and never getting nervous on stage. That's not true :)
Master!
Ey muscle memory all the way. Just started reading sheet music tho. It's kinda fun ngl😂
Love from India ♥
I was playing violin for a longer time when I was young. I could remember clips of them in the following years. Now I must realize, that my muscles, especially the left hand, have forgotten a lot. Nevertheless Your concept convinced me.
I'm learning piano and it's true, S L O W practice is something that sadly (because I don't like it too xD) it's pretty pretty useful!
Thank you for your videos! They always makes my day a bit better :)
I love RUclips technique and yogur passion for music
Saludos desde México