I like how every video by Ray Chen, he slips deeper or falls out of his Aussie accent. It's very cute. It's like, "oh he went home or spent time with Australian friends/family recently."
Loved this video! When I was in high school my orchestra teacher made us watch a solo violinist performance (it might’ve been the bruch violin concerto can’t quite pinpoint it) and I rlly enjoyed watching it. Once the video was done I was noticed he didn’t have a music stand. I went up to my teacher and asked “did he memorize all that??” And she replied “When you’re that good, that’s the least of your problems.” 😭 wow I edited to make this shorter
Ray sharing soloist's super power? So down for it! I'm so amazed by how much music Ray and any musician, but soloists in particular, I guess, can memorize! Props to everyone pracitising the craft! I'm also wondering, if it depends on the instrument one plays if memorizing pieces comes easier or not...
it comes down to perfect pitch and to knowing all the concerts by heart from childhood just from listening to thrm for fun for years and dreaming of performing them
It's really interesting to hear from Ray about how he learns. He is a soloist and always surprises me when he uses his knowledge and skills. Talent and hard work. Sometimes I'm proud when I know smaller pieces by heart. Thank you for these insights and tips!😊
I feel RUclipsrs work 10x harder than they needed to. This is great information and I benefited from it. I honestly didn't need the crazy camera or the b roll.
I study classical violin since 2016. I am by no means an expert. But I do have amazing memory. The first point - listening to the piece A LOT - is extremely important indeed. In my case, I listen to several interpretations while awake, select my favorite, then make a playlist and listen to this playlist on repeat while I sleep.
I liked this video, since it is relevant. I've only been thinking music for a little over 2 years, since I started late in my 65th year. I joked all my life that I was born with two left ears. In mandatory choir class, every director told me to move my lips and not make a sound. Music theory was fairly easy for me, but ear training and memorization are challenges. This week my teacher asked me to close the book and play the piece I had been playing, and I couldn't. She gave me an assignment to play a piece from memory, so I;m on a journey. Merci
This is very interesting. In my first year of learning piano I learned to play (very different than memorising) 2h of music. You have memorised hundreds of hours and always have them fresh 😮 As a passionate learner, I also love that you “calculated” it takes you 1h to learn 1 minute of music. 😊
What a great video. I have been guilty of too much time at the piano and not enough on the listening or recording myself. I’ve been changing my ways, but Ray’s teaching gives me ideas for a more complete approach.
I read once that "an amateur practices until he gets it right, while a professional practices until he can't get it wrong". I felt that was pretty apt! Thanks for the video
👏👏👏$$$$$ I listened carefully now how you described how you memorise etc etc and immediately I contribute a few $$$ into @Thanks - Thank you, Mr Ray Chan, for encouraging us in so many ways to keep us going with our violin practice! 🎻🎻🎻
Thank you for sharing, Ray. Actually it also really helps in memorizing and practicing other things, such as dance, drama, singing, etc. It even can be applied to memorize things academically with some modifications.
Thanks Ray for making this video. I am terrified to perform anything using my memory. I failed sometimes forgetting some bars and this created inside me like ...a prison fo fear I was not able to face. Listening to you, sharing your ways to learn, talking in a calm and friendly tone... you encouraged me to try again! Thanks so much!!
Excellent vid Ray! I didn't know you are an aussie too! Your music brain function and power is like level 1000000000, but definitely know that you work really hard as well to memorise. Those steps you showed us are definitely going to be super helpful, and very important. Thanks Ray!
I can verify the first point, learning even while just listening to the piece a lot without any instrument nearby. Learning to play the Moonlight Sonata and Für Elise was super easy, happened only about 2 months after I bought a piano, because I knew the pieces backwards and forwards, having listened to them for all my life (35 when I bought my pno). I would add that actually liking the piece does as much, possibly more than listening to it a lot and learning it by heart (but I can't vouch for that last bit).
Very astute. Involvement of multiple senses (aural, tactile, visual) helps make memory connections in the brain. Including the step to understand (and even analyze) the piece also helps your ability to improvise (and maybe even improve) on the score during your performances.
The double bassist Mikyung Sung said this in a recent interview on the "Meet the Artist" website: "When I’m not performing, the pieces I’m about to perform or the pieces I think are important right now are in my head almost 24 hours a day, as if I were afflicted by some disease, and I visualize playing them in my head, changing the fingerings and checking my bowings. This is the reason why I can memorize all the pieces I play and not look at the sheet music when playing."
Learning 'Eine Kleine, Mozart Concerto' right now, and have been running into some issues getting the right notes/way memorized. Excited to try this method! Thank you!
I suffered from this issue of mind going blank and getting incredibly nervous in the middle of a piece. It basically stopped my interest in performing live as a solo artist because I didn't want to subject myself to this issue until I'd fixed it. I finally realized I had been learning music totally wrong my entire life. I place most emphasis on memorizing everything so that I can play without the aid of the score, internalize an aural map of the music. Then I build up slowly trying not to go past parts of the music until I can play them well. Also playing slowly for a long time to establish a base level performance on which to build and only once I have that base and the music memorized do I start working on performance level production, ie speed and expression. I now no longer play live in a professional context but I still teach and perform with my students at annual events and also I have to teach them the process and show them that it works. I play classical, but it wasn't my career, jazz, then pop/rock. I transcribe by ear a lot and this aspect is integral simply to learning to become a musician and learn an instrument. Very interesting video, thanks for sharing your process.
When I was a student studying at Conservatoruim level I would play in front of anyone and everyone. People learning/hearing that I played classical guitar and violin would ask for me to play for them. I'd agree but say that once I start I can't easily stop and if they accepted this, I'd play... often for hours, playing my performance pieces and get used to playing in front of an audience as such as they were. The talking and noise of the people helped me to concentrate on my music rather than getting distracted by these extraneous noises. I'd even busk, not for the $$ but for the exposure to an audience. Do whatever but don't have your first audience be your important ones in front of examiners or proper recitals. Just my experience of over fourty-five years ago.
You are truly God's gift to the world because you do not only play beautiful music but you help musicians by teaching/ coaching them on how to improve their skills. You are amazing!!! 👏
As someone with ADHD memorising music is an absolute nightmare. I have to know it absolutely inside out before I have a hope of playing it without the music in front of me.
Great tips Ray, this is perfect I'm working on Mendelssohn concerto and some other pieces, I think this will really help speed up the process and make it stick - one thing I've noticed is I get stuck when I'm really tired and practicing, so sometimes you physically and mentally need a break from playing when you are working super hard
Thanks for all your tips Ray. Ask you question Ray, watching your performances on your concerts which are really superb & topnotch, why are your name not as famous as cello player Yo Yo Ma or pianist Lang Lang ? Does it depend on music critics in the journals ? The pieces are all the same from famous standard classical music as well as the concert halls. You should stand the same level with those two performers in music world.
As a solo performer including with an orchestra in the back people would memorize pieces. People who play in an ensemble / orchestra they'd read off the score.
Ty for sharing! Sadly Step 1 cannot be applied on my current piece I´m playing since there isn´t a recording available or at least not a good one but I will remember it for the next piece :D
I came here looking for more hints about step 3. I’ve tried color coding my music, and it helps a little, but I really have a tendency to get lost and forget which passage, verse, etc. we’re on.
This is really interesting, because so far, memory has been my biggest stumbling block. I have severe ADHD, so my memory is a sieve at the best of times, but sometimes I just want to throw my music out the next window, when I stand in front of an audience and my brain’s just blank, after hours of practice over weeks. I’ll try your steps and see if it helps, as I genuinely hate having to always sing with my score in front of me, when I should know it in my sleep.
@@MishaSkripach That’s a really weird take. Memory is trainable. There are scores I can do by heart, but simply not many. I’ve also been driving for over a decade and have never had an accident. Do you have actually any idea what you are talking about or have any sort of medical training?
@@miriams.4341 One cannot eat their cake and have it at the same time. Either one has a psychiatric disorder that means inherent INABILITY to pay enough attention to memorise and to be a safe driver, or one just has no talent for music or lazy, and their diagnosis is a fake and an excuse. Stop claiming some controvercial medical condition as an excuse for not being brilliant, or don't attempt things that are beyond reach of people with certain mental condition. One cannot claim being a good fireman and a one-legged person at the same time, choose your excuse and stick to it. ? Sorry for being frank. No need to do things you are not very good at. Relax and do what you are good at.
Severe ADHD is not compatible with success in anything that requires attention. ADHD people should not drive, they are death on roads. Nor can they be musicians. Unless they fake to get speed.
Can you bring up the team behind Tonic the idea of adding a tuner into the app please? And a metronome too? I use those somewhat often while practicing and I have to keep leaving the app to do so which messes up stuff /:
Once I had a cello recital, and I had a bad memory slip. I had to say my name when I went on stage. But I forgot abt that… and all of a sudden my teacher told me to say my name. I got startled and suddenly forgot what I had prepared. Then I had no idea what to do. I started rushing and then I stopped cuz I had a memory slip. I stopped and My teacher had to play the first note to remind me. That was my most embarrassing recital 😂
Hi Ray, the video mentioned in the end, ranking concertos from easiest to most difficult, I can't find it? The link is for Trying every violin and searching RUclips didn't give any results either.. I wanna watch that one please!
Hope this helped you too! Try it out by practicing on Tonic now: tonicmusic.app/practice-now 🎉
THANK YOU RAY!!! THIS IS SOOOOOO GOOD!
Thank you❤❤
can you stop promoting tonic every video please
Thanks Ray! This video is so helpful and I love Tonic so keep up what you’re doing.
Excellent video no room for new messages . Have a book ,Primacy . Do check it out
This video is sponsored by Ray’s Australian accent !
He speaks very well and has a nice voice to listen to.
Slay the accent tho
I like how every video by Ray Chen, he slips deeper or falls out of his Aussie accent. It's very cute. It's like, "oh he went home or spent time with Australian friends/family recently."
Loved this video!
When I was in high school my orchestra teacher made us watch a solo violinist performance (it might’ve been the bruch violin concerto can’t quite pinpoint it) and I rlly enjoyed watching it. Once the video was done I was noticed he didn’t have a music stand. I went up to my teacher and asked “did he memorize all that??”
And she replied “When you’re that good, that’s the least of your problems.”
😭 wow
I edited to make this shorter
You are truly generous and committed to promoting music. Not only performing well, but do your best to help others.
Ray sharing soloist's super power? So down for it! I'm so amazed by how much music Ray and any musician, but soloists in particular, I guess, can memorize! Props to everyone pracitising the craft! I'm also wondering, if it depends on the instrument one plays if memorizing pieces comes easier or not...
it comes down to perfect pitch and to knowing all the concerts by heart from childhood just from listening to thrm for fun for years and dreaming of performing them
It's really interesting to hear from Ray about how he learns. He is a soloist and always surprises me when he uses his knowledge and skills. Talent and hard work. Sometimes I'm proud when I know smaller pieces by heart. Thank you for these insights and tips!😊
I feel RUclipsrs work 10x harder than they needed to.
This is great information and I benefited from it. I honestly didn't need the crazy camera or the b roll.
This method can also be applied in non-music scenarios such as learning a new language, drama performance. Very good advice
I'm always excited to see which Ray shows up in a video. Will it be the Aussie or the American?
Today it was both! 😆
Maybe he made this video in Australia!
Aussie showed up from the jump in this shoot. Caught me off guard.
Does he have an American translation?
I love a new Ray Chen video because I like guessing whether he's going to have an Australian or an American accent!
I study classical violin since 2016. I am by no means an expert. But I do have amazing memory. The first point - listening to the piece A LOT - is extremely important indeed. In my case, I listen to several interpretations while awake, select my favorite, then make a playlist and listen to this playlist on repeat while I sleep.
I am always in awe to see how much complicated music you guys are able to memorize so perfectly!
Thanks
I liked this video, since it is relevant. I've only been thinking music for a little over 2 years, since I started late in my 65th year. I joked all my life that I was born with two left ears. In mandatory choir class, every director told me to move my lips and not make a sound. Music theory was fairly easy for me, but ear training and memorization are challenges. This week my teacher asked me to close the book and play the piece I had been playing, and I couldn't. She gave me an assignment to play a piece from memory, so I;m on a journey.
Merci
Thanks Ray! I’m always looking for ideas. I’m really enjoying Tonic. I’ve met some really nice folks there. 🎻
That was so generous of Ray to share, very helpful, thank you so much!! 👍😄💕
This is very interesting. In my first year of learning piano I learned to play (very different than memorising) 2h of music. You have memorised hundreds of hours and always have them fresh 😮 As a passionate learner, I also love that you “calculated” it takes you 1h to learn 1 minute of music. 😊
I watched this 11 days ago and have been working hard at playing from memory.
Merci beaucoup.
*Thank you!!* I’ve been wishing for this video for *years!* 😄♥️♥️♥️
Thanks Ray! You have made it very compact, yet packed with super helpful tips. Will now try not to jump to steps 3 & 4, before doing steps 1 & 2!
Love your work. I will definitely get Tonic. Thank you.
What a great video. I have been guilty of too much time at the piano and not enough on the listening or recording myself. I’ve been changing my ways, but Ray’s teaching gives me ideas for a more complete approach.
I read once that "an amateur practices until he gets it right, while a professional practices until he can't get it wrong". I felt that was pretty apt! Thanks for the video
I say this to all my pupils. They ignore me 🙄🙄🙄
Love this !
👏👏👏$$$$$ I listened carefully now how you described how you memorise etc etc and immediately I contribute a few $$$ into @Thanks - Thank you, Mr Ray Chan, for encouraging us in so many ways to keep us going with our violin practice! 🎻🎻🎻
Thank you for sharing, Ray. Actually it also really helps in memorizing and practicing other things, such as dance, drama, singing, etc. It even can be applied to memorize things academically with some modifications.
Thanks Ray for making this video. I am terrified to perform anything using my memory. I failed sometimes forgetting some bars and this created inside me like ...a prison fo fear I was not able to face. Listening to you, sharing your ways to learn, talking in a calm and friendly tone... you encouraged me to try again! Thanks so much!!
Thank you Ray!! This is the answer to the question I’ve always wanted to ask you!😁😁
Btw, love your Aussie accent❤
Excellent vid Ray! I didn't know you are an aussie too! Your music brain function and power is like level 1000000000, but definitely know that you work really hard as well to memorise. Those steps you showed us are definitely going to be super helpful, and very important. Thanks Ray!
Thank you! This video was really helpful!
I can verify the first point, learning even while just listening to the piece a lot without any instrument nearby.
Learning to play the Moonlight Sonata and Für Elise was super easy, happened only about 2 months after I bought a piano, because I knew the pieces backwards and forwards, having listened to them for all my life (35 when I bought my pno).
I would add that actually liking the piece does as much, possibly more than listening to it a lot and learning it by heart (but I can't vouch for that last bit).
Very astute. Involvement of multiple senses (aural, tactile, visual) helps make memory connections in the brain. Including the step to understand (and even analyze) the piece also helps your ability to improvise (and maybe even improve) on the score during your performances.
I always wondered how professional musicians get to memorize and play a long repertoire for a concert. Just amaxzing!
So generous to help us. When is he going to play in Australia again?
When starting a new piece l, memorization is always something I’ve struggled with. This video was so helpful!
Brilliant explanation, thank you!
The double bassist Mikyung Sung said this in a recent interview on the "Meet the Artist" website:
"When I’m not performing, the pieces I’m about to perform or the pieces I think are important right now are in my head almost 24 hours a day, as if I were afflicted by some disease, and I visualize playing them in my head, changing the fingerings and checking my bowings. This is the reason why I can memorize all the pieces I play and not look at the sheet music when playing."
I’m no one at all and whatever piece I’m learning plays in my head half the time
2:15 my favourite part of Bazzini 😁
i love it when you share your experience! it's so helpfull! many thanks!!
I'm studying in conservatory and really like your method. I think I'll use it in the future)
Super super super lovely tips Augustine violinist from Malaysia
Brilliant tips I will start to use this thank you 🙏
Respect... for your memory!
Learning 'Eine Kleine, Mozart Concerto' right now, and have been running into some issues getting the right notes/way memorized. Excited to try this method! Thank you!
Thank you,Ray. Great info.🌹🌹🌹
Thanks for this, as a pianist I have trouble looking at a score and the keyboard without getting lost.
Excellent advice Ray
Another unforgettable tutorial!
I suffered from this issue of mind going blank and getting incredibly nervous in the middle of a piece. It basically stopped my interest in performing live as a solo artist because I didn't want to subject myself to this issue until I'd fixed it. I finally realized I had been learning music totally wrong my entire life.
I place most emphasis on memorizing everything so that I can play without the aid of the score, internalize an aural map of the music. Then I build up slowly trying not to go past parts of the music until I can play them well. Also playing slowly for a long time to establish a base level performance on which to build and only once I have that base and the music memorized do I start working on performance level production, ie speed and expression.
I now no longer play live in a professional context but I still teach and perform with my students at annual events and also I have to teach them the process and show them that it works.
I play classical, but it wasn't my career, jazz, then pop/rock. I transcribe by ear a lot and this aspect is integral simply to learning to become a musician and learn an instrument. Very interesting video, thanks for sharing your process.
Oh hi Ray. Loved your Sibelius with the BSO.
Ray gives tHE BEST advice! 300% right!
Thanks so much for the tips!! :)
Ray Chen coming in with the Ali abdaal editing! Love it hahahah
When I was a student studying at Conservatoruim level I would play in front of anyone and everyone. People learning/hearing that I played classical guitar and violin would ask for me to play for them. I'd agree but say that once I start I can't easily stop and if they accepted this, I'd play... often for hours, playing my performance pieces and get used to playing in front of an audience as such as they were. The talking and noise of the people helped me to concentrate on my music rather than getting distracted by these extraneous noises. I'd even busk, not for the $$ but for the exposure to an audience. Do whatever but don't have your first audience be your important ones in front of examiners or proper recitals. Just my experience of over fourty-five years ago.
I love your playing........
THIS, I NEEDED THIS
Thanks! I wish I'd used this approach for a J.C. Bach triosonata I recently performed - especially listening and studying the score
Great tips!
You are truly God's gift to the world because you do not only play beautiful music but you help musicians by teaching/ coaching them on how to improve their skills. You are amazing!!! 👏
Thanks for the tips
As someone with ADHD memorising music is an absolute nightmare. I have to know it absolutely inside out before I have a hope of playing it without the music in front of me.
Thanks Ray! Now I can perform well in my school concert! 😊
The aussie accent threw me for a loop. I was like... who is this guy?
Great video Ray. Very informative. Thank you for sharing. ❤👍😃
Great tips Ray, this is perfect I'm working on Mendelssohn concerto and some other pieces, I think this will really help speed up the process and make it stick - one thing I've noticed is I get stuck when I'm really tired and practicing, so sometimes you physically and mentally need a break from playing when you are working super hard
Don't forget to play the whole concerto on the open strings as well!
That was a good tip for the infinite loop problem. I guess it’s not the worse mistake to make you just added 15 seconds to length lol.
Thank you Ray!!❤
Thank you❤
Great, inspiring video. Thanks!
Thank you!!!
Thanks for all your tips Ray.
Ask you question Ray, watching your performances on your concerts which are really superb & topnotch, why are your name not as famous as cello player Yo Yo Ma or pianist Lang Lang ? Does it depend on music critics in the journals ? The pieces are all the same from famous standard classical music as well as the concert halls. You should stand the same level with those two performers in music world.
Thank you so much❤
Epic teaching
We need more of your Australian accent!
Yes I always listen first! 😊
Thanks ❤
from the comments im glad to see i wasnt the only only who was startled by his change of accent 😂
Thank you!!💪🏻🎶😄
As a solo performer including with an orchestra in the back people would memorize pieces. People who play in an ensemble / orchestra they'd read off the score.
Yes, very good indeed
Very helpful as always Ray :)
Interesting, maybe you can also incorporate recent research in psychology (particularly "learning pyschology" and "memory" to music practice.
Thanks Ray!
Ty for sharing! Sadly Step 1 cannot be applied on my current piece I´m playing since there isn´t a recording available or at least not a good one but I will remember it for the next piece :D
Thanks very much Ray!! ❤
He’s very good at it
I came here looking for more hints about step 3. I’ve tried color coding my music, and it helps a little, but I really have a tendency to get lost and forget which passage, verse, etc. we’re on.
Ray must be in Australia at the moment 🇦🇺
I memorize everything for the same reasons. Performance day though I still put the sheet music on the stand! Security blanket! I am a chicken. 😊
Great! It helped
This is really interesting, because so far, memory has been my biggest stumbling block. I have severe ADHD, so my memory is a sieve at the best of times, but sometimes I just want to throw my music out the next window, when I stand in front of an audience and my brain’s just blank, after hours of practice over weeks. I’ll try your steps and see if it helps, as I genuinely hate having to always sing with my score in front of me, when I should know it in my sleep.
Just don't do it, it is incompatible with ADHD, also better don't drive, it is dangerous.
@@MishaSkripach That’s a really weird take. Memory is trainable. There are scores I can do by heart, but simply not many. I’ve also been driving for over a decade and have never had an accident. Do you have actually any idea what you are talking about or have any sort of medical training?
@@miriams.4341 One cannot eat their cake and have it at the same time. Either one has a psychiatric disorder that means inherent INABILITY to pay enough attention to memorise and to be a safe driver, or one just has no talent for music or lazy, and their diagnosis is a fake and an excuse. Stop claiming some controvercial medical condition as an excuse for not being brilliant, or don't attempt things that are beyond reach of people with certain mental condition. One cannot claim being a good fireman and a one-legged person at the same time, choose your excuse and stick to it. ?
Sorry for being frank. No need to do things you are not very good at. Relax and do what you are good at.
Severe ADHD is not compatible with success in anything that requires attention. ADHD people should not drive, they are death on roads. Nor can they be musicians. Unless they fake to get speed.
Thank you Australian Ray Chen!
I was 100th like! I just asked a friend how to memorize a song and she gave me a flat look and said "practice" 😅
Thank uu❤
4:26 30-minute concerto within 1 - 2 weeks? That's impressive.
Can you bring up the team behind Tonic the idea of adding a tuner into the app please? And a metronome too? I use those somewhat often while practicing and I have to keep leaving the app to do so which messes up stuff /:
How to get muscle memory? It‘s a miracle for me.
And I am often playing totally unaware of what bar I am in in the moment.
repeat each bar 50 times
Wonderful
Once I had a cello recital, and I had a bad memory slip. I had to say my name when I went on stage. But I forgot abt that… and all of a sudden my teacher told me to say my name. I got startled and suddenly forgot what I had prepared. Then I had no idea what to do. I started rushing and then I stopped cuz I had a memory slip. I stopped and My teacher had to play the first note to remind me. That was my most embarrassing recital 😂
Hi Ray, the video mentioned in the end, ranking concertos from easiest to most difficult, I can't find it? The link is for Trying every violin and searching RUclips didn't give any results either.. I wanna watch that one please!