You can't take recoil with a larger or smaller bolt. You can make it slightly slower to distribute. I'm talking thousands of a second. My boy Newton found this out long ago.
@@extremeencounter7458 due to this gun being a bullpup and the barrel sitting high the, rotational movement is behind and way above your hand so it rotates your wrist more is my guess, think of it as the opposite to the Chiappa Rhino pretty sure it has more felt recoil because it lighter than normal but more of it goes down your arm
I remember Ian from Forgotten Weapons mentioned something like, people of the era firing the mars automatic pistol for the first time would describe the gun as “detonating” rather than just simply “firing” the gun.
That thing was so awesome in BF1. I looked it up once and there was something like only 80 of them built, each and every one ever so slightly different from the last.
Ahh, gotta have love for a pistol that is able to preheat your brass before feeding it back to you in an expedited fashion. Open wide, here comes the choo-choo! 😮😂
no, the mars wasnt ahead of its time. there are seriously people who refused to use semi auto pistols over revolvers because they had seen how awful the mars was to operate
Also see the Blish lock, an overcomplicated design used on a submachine gun because the inventor thought small guns work the same as big guns. Well to an extent, but the effect is not worth the massive increase in cost and weight in such a small scale.
@@deadplaya fair thought, because this was very much the desert eagle of it's day. The mars was a ridiculously huge pistol, and was the most powerful handgun in the world for a subs time period. While technically a pistol cartridge, .45 Mars Long Case (and all of it's other chamberings) were actually bottlenecked cartridges, with massive powder loads.
@@deadplaya given the round it was designed for wasn't a lot different from the 44 Magnum (220 grains at 1200fps), no significant weight at the front (but the gun was about 3 pounds) and the recoil happening at the fulcrum of your wrist, anything bigger would probably just break your wrist. I'm sure with the right technique it would be doable, but why try to make a bad design work when you could just make it better...
@@YouraTowel4reports from soldiers said they were hesitant about the gun because it felt like every shot was a gamble of whether the bolt would stop or not.
You're both right lol AC:S did use the mars in the 1868 section (which is 32 years earlier than the 1900 manufacturing date) but also in the WW1 portion by Frye's daughter while Battlefield 1 has it as a Scout exclusive
People mentioning BF1. But this gun appeared before it, in Assassin's Creed Syndicate. That game's setting is in 1868--or as the video says, 32 years before the firearm was produced.
I was confused because the way that he said it made it sound like he was saying the game was released 32 years before the firearm and not that it appeared in a game set 32 years before it was produced.
@@zombiemincaftri think you just confused yourself, i read it as the game took place in 1868 aka 32 yrs before the gun actually came out, i mean its literally what it says
Mars only goes to .45 can also be chambered in 8.5 and 9 mm it’s the action of the gun that made it powerful, an eagle it more powerful just better made to compensate recoil unlike the mars
@@justincovey7434actually the mars was chambered in a proprietary .45 cartridge that was basically the first Automag ammo it’s ballistically similar to .45 win mag so yes it was a hot round
Me just throw a mask on and cover up open spots so hot metal doesn't enter your shirt and burn you. Also nobody going to talk about how it basically screws its self on and off with every shot. Yes I understand it's like a 1/8 turn but it turns like wtf 😂.
@@maydayredd6137 About as shit as a Desert Eagle. Loud, heavy, hard to fire multiple times, often breaking the user in some format. Did we forget to mention this was a .45? Bottleneck cartridges make this horrible to fire. Every shot you might hit yourself in the face with ejecting shell.
@@artyd42 yeah a poor design is why its so bad, not its power. the more weight on the slide the less force you have on your hand. My Hi-point has less recoil than my 1911, so this thing would try to break out of your fingers every shot.
@R3B3LC4PTA1N Was it??? 😂😂😂 that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard if true. That was one of the very few AC games that was so trash and such a money grab I couldn't even bother finishing.
@@rodericklenz5030 Seriously modern 9mm can eject brass backwards to hit you in the face. Seems like sometimes these stores are super overly exaggerated when we have people these days shooting pistol .50BMG rounds like BlackRambo for fun.
For anyone wondering: Cartridge 8.5mm Mars 9mm Mars .45 Mars Short Case .45 Mars Long Case Muzzle velocity 1,750 ft/s (530 m/s) for 8.5mm Mars 1,250 ft/s (380 m/s) for .45 Mars Long
And it also used a ridiculously over-complicated long recoil tilting bolt action that has the entire top part of the gun go back when it shoots to counteract the force of the bullet and lessen recoil. Cool idea, but it was too powerful for the design and smaller parts like extractors and pieces of the action would break often and require constant cleaning. This gun would have NEVER survived Frontline combat. Thr closest it ever saw was maybe a few private orders from officers.
@@Mattjohnson793 the point is that the .45 Mars (roughly the same as a 240gr .44 mag) @8 or so ft-lbs of force of effective recoil from this firearm will not injure you unless you try to use your teeth to hold it. That doesn't change how uncomfortable it is to shoot or how difficult it is to control. But if you can play catch with your friends you can fire this without injury. Large caliber rifle rounds like the .470 nitro @ 181 ft-lbs or even the .500 S&W hot loads @ 45 ft-lbs are an order of magnitude more recoil and without the mitigation of additional points of contact and the mass of a rifle, a pistol could very well cause injury even properly used.
@@Tien-Chiobrez is better for sniping your pick of revolver is the best all round personally I use the gasser for high damage MLE is the best pistol for pistol things Mars is mid at everything really
@@Racerblx1291 makes sense I just hate the slow rate of fire and I find the revolvers 1 tap usually But personally I like the MLE because i can get a lot of shots quick and it usually only takes 1 or 2 if I hit them with my rifle It also is probably important that I am a iron sights sniper bc I hate scope glint so I’m generally closer to my enemy Unless I’m counter sniping
@@DarkRaen666I believe they meant that the recoil, fire ball and report was so loud and big that it felt more like the gun spontaneously dissassembled itself in the shooter’s hand for each shot Tldr: the gun was so powerful that people felt that it blew up for each shot
This is laughably incoherent. It wasn't "too powerful for military use", it was simply unfit for use in a handgun where it is both inaccurate and likely to injure the user.
And just straight up inferior to the competition - besides revolvers, you had the Luger, C96, Browning's early semi-autos. No shortage of reasons not to go with this absurd thing.
The brass and hot gas is thrown directly back into the user's face. That's why everyone hated it. You can't tame any recoil if hot brass pelts you in the face hard enough to leave a mark every time you fire.
Not with the target/dueling stance they would have shot with at the time, forget anything you've seen in some stupid wild west Hollywood type crap, if they had the chance, they shot with one hand, and extended as far from their face as they could, holding the barrel up, and then dropping it onto target before shooting, much like an Olympian today.
@@UnbannedAgaincorrect : Gramps was world war II army air core drill Sgt. That's how I learned to shoot since 6 years old. Of course I got a 40 inch arm reach
@@YourFallenGhost the 1911 would've also been shot with the bladed, sideways-facing "ye olde" firing stance with one hand. Firing it like that helps you appreciate how thin, sleek and functional the design is - it did the job in WW1, with Great-War style training and common practices, and it still does a fair amount of that job today with modern training and modern common practices.
My sister was friends with and went to school the daughter of the Ferrara candy company owner. At first I thought it was Mars, but then I remembered they used to always give us LemonHeads candy, and i guess it's Ferrara that makes LemonHeads. They got a big factory off 290 in Chicago. I think they went to school in Oak Park, IL. This is more of a ramble than anything cuz my memory sucks
It's named after the God of War, who has had a planet named after him. Weird how things go around and come around - but yes, Fairfax (the designer of the gun) named this pistol after the God of War. Weirdly enough, at this exact same time in history, it'd be 2-3 years before ANOTHER semi-auto pistol called the Mars pistol was made! This time, by Bergmann. That one is the "Bergmann-Mars" pistol. But now there is confusion over the names! At the time, the gun in this video was called the "Webley-Mars" pistol, to differentiate and not confuse the two, and because Webley's factories made the Webley-Mars.
So this guy literally just said this gun made a cameo in a game 32 years before the gun was even produced… Considering the Mars automatic pistol was made in 1900, that means the video game must have been around in 1868, I’m not sure which video game he could possibly be talking about…
He’s up talking it A-LOT, but the firearm simply sucked. but granted, it was the first semi automatic pistol, officers and soldiers preferred their trusty revolver sidearm instead.
LOL, thanks, kiddo; Gramps here... No disrespect to the few comments regarding WW1, but those remarks scream AI-CHAT generated. Which is okay, but the weakness of AI is that it lacks the flava of the human touch. Chat with your Gramps, or better, chat with your great Gramps... Or best of all, spend a day at your local VA hospital and talk to some old timers. Guarantee that you will learn more than AI will ever be able to teach. Downside, it will take all day. Upside, it will make a few old geezers feel respected. JS 👍🏿🇺🇲
It wasn't "so powerful whoever shot it didn't wanna shoot it again" it was literally because the burning hot casings would fly right into your face and it wasn't popular but it's a collector item now just because how hilarious stupid the design is
Yeah, you can look at the cartridge, it's not the power, it's because the damn barrel is set far above the base between your thumb and middle finger, the damn thing would twist your wrist and send brass in your face
The browning auto 5 does the same thing, the bolt and barrel both go back, the bolt locks, the barrel goes forward, the empty is ejected, the live round come in, the bolt unlocks and closes. Best shotgun ever produced, any anyone that would argue that doesnt know how to clean or oil a gun.
I have a Remington Model 11, and let me say first hand that thing GOES. But as far as the best ever...no way. It was way ahead of its time and was reliable as a combat weapon to about World War II, but was deemed obsolete by newer semis.
Nah. Not even the best shotgun ever designed by John Browning. Of his 4 major designs of his (the 1887, 1897, Auto 5, and M37), I'd straight up argue it's held up the least.
The reason why people didn't wanna shoot it again was cause the ejector slot would fire the spent casing straight up... Since the recoil was so strong, that meant that the hot brass was headed toward your face.
I’m pretty sure the video game was Assassin’s Creed Syndicate. That one took place in 1860’s london meaning that it lines up with the 32 figure given in the vid.
@@TexanHuman Yep. The mars automatic pistol was invented in 1900 and it's featured in Battlefield 1. Your game takes place in 1868 and it didn't even exist back then. Smart ass.
This pistol seems kinda shit in all honesty, I see no way in which it was ahead of its time unless the part of it ahead of its time was how it was automatic but even then it’s like those gimmicks you see companies introduce to a product that hardly work at all and are thus removed the next instillation and are only ever really readded once they’re made to function seamlessly like they should.
@@sharkbaitoohahah8343 Lmao right cause you know everyone from ww1 and talked to them about it. It has very little to do with the shells ejecting because for them to hit your face, you would have to aiming it like a rifle with your face right up against the slide. It's more so about the recoil hurt whoever is shooting it, and the horrible accuracy because of them flinching and bracing for impact.
@@killergames9256 Oh so you know everyone from ww1 personally and have talked to them? "Literally anyone who's fired it" Have you fired it? How tf would you know? Please provide a link that backs up your claims. Otherwise you're talking out of your ass. It's because of the ridiculous recoil. The shells won't even hit the face unless you aim it like a rifle with your face right up close to the slide, which wouldn't work because the slide would bite them in the face. The Desert eagle ejects very similarly, and no one complains about shells hitting their face.
i wouldn't say a chad, more of a fool. webley and military both told him same problems. he didn't listen tried to manufacture his own and didn't make a whole lot before he had to bankrupt. other part besides it being unwieldy the mechanisms were complex. so yea it wouldn't be good for military market.
@@memeslife-wq2tx no it isn't, it's literally on top of it, the bullet gets pulled back and the raised and inserted into it, the only time the chamber is behind the grip is after it's fired but before it ejects the spent casing. Not a bullpup
@carlsteffens not the grip the trigger The chamber is behind the trigger while in most pistols its normally sitting ahead or on top I'm retarded and mistyped
@@carlsteffens The official definition of a bullpup is that the grip is in front of the breech of the gun instead of behind it. Even if you choose to use the more narrow minded definition, the entire chamber & firing pin are still behind the trigger, therefore making this pistol a bullpup by all means.
Well, 'perfecting it' is an overstatement, Hugh Fairfax was the British equivalent of Hugo Borchardt, both thought their guns were as good as could be and didn't improve them that much. Too bad there wasn't a British Georg Luger to fix up the Mars.
Webley Mars... Chambered in8.5,9,45 mars What about the Webley fosbrey automatic revolver ..note sure on spelling...and also ZIZ ZAG Mauser automatic revolver..1873...Think
Прикольно было бы, если бы реплики подобных антикварных пушек сейчас выпускали, для тех кто не может купить оригинал, при этом они были бы в современных калибрах и рассчитаны под бездымный порох. Правда, будут проблемы с патентами. Наверное.
"Too intense for military use" applies to a lot of handgun rounds. Anything the military would use a handgun for (outside of specific circumstances) wouldn't need a higher power round. That's what SMGs, carbines, and rifles are for.
The Mars Pistol was produced between 1897 and 1907 the first video game was made October 1958 I didn't realise 1958 was 37yrs before 1897 🤦🤦🤦 Edit: sorry 32yrs
Recoil was not due to the power of the round, but that giant reciprocating bolt behind the grip
You can't take recoil with a larger or smaller bolt. You can make it slightly slower to distribute. I'm talking thousands of a second. My boy Newton found this out long ago.
Wouldn’t you feel less recoil due to the larger heavier reciprocating mass?
@@extremeencounter7458 due to this gun being a bullpup and the barrel sitting high the, rotational movement is behind and way above your hand so it rotates your wrist more is my guess, think of it as the opposite to the Chiappa Rhino pretty sure it has more felt recoil because it lighter than normal but more of it goes down your arm
@@extremeencounter7458brother if that bolt is sliding out the back towards you that's more recoil lmao
It also has the next bullet travel back with it.
I remember Ian from Forgotten Weapons mentioned something like, people of the era firing the mars automatic pistol for the first time would describe the gun as “detonating” rather than just simply “firing” the gun.
He also referred to it as "like firing a cinderblock."
That thing was so awesome in BF1. I looked it up once and there was something like only 80 of them built, each and every one ever so slightly different from the last.
i like how chris and dave did osaka OH MY GAH but cory did the vine boom ooooh ma gaaahd
Technically the Desert Eagle of the Great War
No it wasn't
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If you wanna be reductive, yes.
No
Ahh, gotta have love for a pistol that is able to preheat your brass before feeding it back to you in an expedited fashion. Open wide, here comes the choo-choo! 😮😂
this is likely what johnny silverhands malorian 3516 was partially based on
no, the mars wasnt ahead of its time. there are seriously people who refused to use semi auto pistols over revolvers because they had seen how awful the mars was to operate
Ya'll aiming it wrong, supposed to be fired sideways, gangster style yo. lol
Should have make a holder on top
i want it as a birthday present :O
Bolter irl
Nineteen hundreds DEagle
oh hey its inspo for silverhands pistol
It nambu products by the Japan empires 1904_1945
The shells ejecting straight backwards is probably why it wasn't fun to shoot
don't qoute me if I'm wrong but I think that's the one that broke soldiers hands too
Uh, it's top ejecting...lots of pistols then were top ejecting, not going backwards, Akshay.
@@justinstrong9595 Newtons first law says the shells are going in the users face.
Take note they only use one hand instead of two
Also having the Mac11-esque ergonomics of a brick
The very first gangsta weapon, you basically have to fire it sideways to avoid a shell casing to the face.
No.
@@fly1ngpapaya Yes
@@fly1ngpapaya Literally no point in saying no. There's more of a point in me responding than your original comment.
@@0DTEVIXCALLS NO.
@@fly1ngpapayaNO!
That breech mechanism screams "artillery".
Well that is probably the best thing they have as a reference at the time.
Also see the Blish lock, an overcomplicated design used on a submachine gun because the inventor thought small guns work the same as big guns.
Well to an extent, but the effect is not worth the massive increase in cost and weight in such a small scale.
Imagine that chambered in .50AE?
@@deadplaya fair thought, because this was very much the desert eagle of it's day. The mars was a ridiculously huge pistol, and was the most powerful handgun in the world for a subs time period. While technically a pistol cartridge, .45 Mars Long Case (and all of it's other chamberings) were actually bottlenecked cartridges, with massive powder loads.
@@deadplaya given the round it was designed for wasn't a lot different from the 44 Magnum (220 grains at 1200fps), no significant weight at the front (but the gun was about 3 pounds) and the recoil happening at the fulcrum of your wrist, anything bigger would probably just break your wrist.
I'm sure with the right technique it would be doable, but why try to make a bad design work when you could just make it better...
Ah yes, the gun that will automatically feed you shell casings when fired
OH MY GOD 6.9K LET'S GOOOOO
Spyro: YUM
You just need to take the gangster skill tree and your good to go
If the casing would be chocolate that would help.
mmm, brass
@@Tanzenergise nothing beats brass as a battlefield snack. Nothing
"No wonder it's called Mars cuz it's recoil is out of this world"
**badum tss**
"Someone had to do it"
Bro has rizz with guns
@@the_not_real_bigboss no
"They fired it once and didn't wish to fire it again because of the recoil."
Well, they've obviously never met Scott from Kentucky Ballistics.
we need to get him one
yeah he casually fires nitro express rounds with one hand💀
Was just gonna comment saying that. He'd be the guy to pull it off.
Either Scott will test one out, or the patented very long string and Giant Gummy Bears will.
Common Scott W
It's not the recoil entirely. The slide also shoots straight at your face when looking down the sights and flings hot brass into your face.
Most semi auto handguns have the slide reciprocating towards your face when aiming down the sights lol
@@YouraTowel4reports from soldiers said they were hesitant about the gun because it felt like every shot was a gamble of whether the bolt would stop or not.
@@YouraTowel4 Yeah but most of them don't look like they're on the verge of coming apart at any second.
@@YouraTowel4yea not like this bruh that shit looks sketchy, and then ofc the hot brass to the face
@@YouraTowel4 most handgun also not this scetchy
The game he is referring to is AC: Syndicate
I want to disagree and say he perhaps meant Battlefield 1
You're both right lol
AC:S did use the mars in the 1868 section (which is 32 years earlier than the 1900 manufacturing date) but also in the WW1 portion by Frye's daughter while Battlefield 1 has it as a Scout exclusive
I scanned the comments just for this answer. Thank you!
funny.. i thought he said popular😅
People mentioning BF1. But this gun appeared before it, in Assassin's Creed Syndicate. That game's setting is in 1868--or as the video says, 32 years before the firearm was produced.
I was confused because the way that he said it made it sound like he was saying the game was released 32 years before the firearm and not that it appeared in a game set 32 years before it was produced.
@@zombiemincaftri think you just confused yourself, i read it as the game took place in 1868 aka 32 yrs before the gun actually came out, i mean its literally what it says
This is the comment I was looking for
Isn't this gun in RDR2 as well?
@@stampsuI thought the games was rdr2 not syndicate
That's equivalent to shooting a Desert Eagle chambered with 50. Caliber round.
But probably more reliable.
Mars only goes to .45 can also be chambered in 8.5 and 9 mm it’s the action of the gun that made it powerful, an eagle it more powerful just better made to compensate recoil unlike the mars
@@justincovey7434actually the mars was chambered in a proprietary .45 cartridge that was basically the first Automag ammo it’s ballistically similar to .45 win mag so yes it was a hot round
Desert eagles don't even kick that hard you just saying stuff
@@CostcoLover1590facts. I shot that 50Æ one handed and it got a little kick but it’s not unmanageable
Being heavy, unwieldy, and having shells eject into your face was one of the few reasons why they went with the 1911.
The right choice
Also the sear (I think it was the sear) was exposed and if pressure was put on it, it would go off. I might be thinking of the nambu type 94 though.
A far superior weapon
Me just throw a mask on and cover up open spots so hot metal doesn't enter your shirt and burn you.
Also nobody going to talk about how it basically screws its self on and off with every shot.
Yes I understand it's like a 1/8 turn but it turns like wtf 😂.
Isn’t it called the mars pistol and isn’t it fully automatic?
The Mars's recoil was described as "singularly unpleasant and alarming" and "those who fired it once expressed no desire to do so a second time."
doesn't that make it a shit gun?
@@maydayredd6137 About as shit as a Desert Eagle. Loud, heavy, hard to fire multiple times, often breaking the user in some format. Did we forget to mention this was a .45? Bottleneck cartridges make this horrible to fire. Every shot you might hit yourself in the face with ejecting shell.
@@artyd42 yeah a poor design is why its so bad, not its power. the more weight on the slide the less force you have on your hand. My Hi-point has less recoil than my 1911, so this thing would try to break out of your fingers every shot.
@@artyd42a desert eagle doesn't have bad recoil
.500 CALIBER ENTERS
Why is the Breech looking like an 105 mm howitzer 😆
"appeared in a video game set 32 years before it was produced" what game set in 1868 had this gun? google tells me this was made in 1900.
Yeah that part didn’t make any sense to me
Assassin's Creed Syndicate
@R3B3LC4PTA1N Was it??? 😂😂😂 that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard if true. That was one of the very few AC games that was so trash and such a money grab I couldn't even bother finishing.
Idk people say it's from battlefield.
@@Ashefault it is, but the game their reffering to is assassins creed syndicate
People didnt like it because the casing was ejected toward the shooter, so aiming down the sights would hit you in the forehead one in three shots.
Its just to make sure you keep moving your head side to side. No head shots on me
Meanwhile, getting hit in the face with hot brass is just par for the course for modern infantry. Soldiers back then were just soft.
Just aim it sideways
Sideways like a gangsta lol
@@rodericklenz5030 Seriously modern 9mm can eject brass backwards to hit you in the face.
Seems like sometimes these stores are super overly exaggerated when we have people these days shooting pistol .50BMG rounds like BlackRambo for fun.
For anyone wondering:
Cartridge
8.5mm Mars
9mm Mars
.45 Mars Short Case
.45 Mars Long Case
Muzzle velocity
1,750 ft/s (530 m/s) for 8.5mm Mars
1,250 ft/s (380 m/s) for .45 Mars Long
..safe to say,,I kinda believe you 😂 👍
Weight of the bullet? Pls
@@SuperXarus prolly 500grainz......5x24 Acme series with...
Wasnt it also because it flings the shells right in your face?
And it's accuracy was basically nonexistent
Hey it was one of the first but certainly not the best Lol@@MarkoXPlays
And it also used a ridiculously over-complicated long recoil tilting bolt action that has the entire top part of the gun go back when it shoots to counteract the force of the bullet and lessen recoil. Cool idea, but it was too powerful for the design and smaller parts like extractors and pieces of the action would break often and require constant cleaning. This gun would have NEVER survived Frontline combat. Thr closest it ever saw was maybe a few private orders from officers.
Flung
@@28toxicdavid38 most of the weight of the is also in the back so if you shoot it and you don't smack yourself your face will hit with burning brass.
Desert Eagle: Who are you?
Mars pistol: I'm you but i hurt a lot of soldiers bcoz of my recoil
the .500 makes both look tame
@@Leostar-Regalius maybe...
@@Leostar-Regaliusand a 470 nitro express makes that look tame. You’re point?
@@Mattjohnson793 the point is that the .45 Mars (roughly the same as a 240gr .44 mag) @8 or so ft-lbs of force of effective recoil from this firearm will not injure you unless you try to use your teeth to hold it.
That doesn't change how uncomfortable it is to shoot or how difficult it is to control.
But if you can play catch with your friends you can fire this without injury.
Large caliber rifle rounds like the .470 nitro @ 181 ft-lbs or even the .500 S&W hot loads @ 45 ft-lbs are an order of magnitude more recoil and without the mitigation of additional points of contact and the mass of a rifle, a pistol could very well cause injury even properly used.
@@Sny- that was meant as a joke lol.
Ah yes the Mars Pistol. Never did like it in battlefield
Best recon pistol hands down
@@Tien-Chiobrez is better for sniping your pick of revolver is the best all round personally I use the gasser for high damage
MLE is the best pistol for pistol things
Mars is mid at everything really
@@Racerblx1291 makes sense I just hate the slow rate of fire and I find the revolvers 1 tap usually
But personally I like the MLE because i can get a lot of shots quick and it usually only takes 1 or 2 if I hit them with my rifle
It also is probably important that I am a iron sights sniper bc I hate scope glint so I’m generally closer to my enemy
Unless I’m counter sniping
Any weapon is better than none just abt every gun is viable in BF
2 hit kill king
Battlefield 1 Snipers: Now this, Is a weapon
I thought I remembered it from somewhere 😂
If you miss headshot this gun would do the rest, trustiest side arm, every damn time.
@@eddiecui2493 real
@@eddiecui2493 Fuck yeah 😂 When you dont one shot someone with martini henry so u finish him with 1 bullet from Mars
You need to try the Peace Keeper lol
The recoil is so strong that my phone fell out of my hand
😂
May I suggest a two-handed grip on your phone?
😂
Underrated comment 😂😂😂
Hey man. Stop being ungrateful for that phone in your hand a starving African kid could have used that for Uber eats
The game he’s referring to 32 years before it was made is assassins creed syndicate.
Yeah I remember having to find the items to craft it, it was worth it though
My great grandpa's fav game before he served in the civil war. Sad to see the 327 year old go. Rip gpa
It wasn't Mars pistol in ACS. It was Bergmann 1896 Pistol not Mars Pistol.
@@Piug0th they were both in the game
@@rioyr6210 then where the hell was Mars?
I like that someone irl described the gun as "exploding with each shot"
I like that description, although it feels kinda lazy NGL, like bro that's what all guns do
@@DarkRaen666I believe they meant that the recoil, fire ball and report was so loud and big that it felt more like the gun spontaneously dissassembled itself in the shooter’s hand for each shot
Tldr: the gun was so powerful that people felt that it blew up for each shot
This is laughably incoherent. It wasn't "too powerful for military use", it was simply unfit for use in a handgun where it is both inaccurate and likely to injure the user.
And just straight up inferior to the competition - besides revolvers, you had the Luger, C96, Browning's early semi-autos. No shortage of reasons not to go with this absurd thing.
A WW1 revolver with moon clips would definately be better than this thing. 1911 and other autos aside.
Agreed the it’s a shit gun and inaccurate that why it’s useless!!😂
The brass and hot gas is thrown directly back into the user's face. That's why everyone hated it.
You can't tame any recoil if hot brass pelts you in the face hard enough to leave a mark every time you fire.
Not with the target/dueling stance they would have shot with at the time, forget anything you've seen in some stupid wild west Hollywood type crap, if they had the chance, they shot with one hand, and extended as far from their face as they could, holding the barrel up, and then dropping it onto target before shooting, much like an Olympian today.
@@UnbannedAgaincorrect : Gramps was world war II army air core drill Sgt.
That's how I learned to shoot since 6 years old. Of course I got a 40 inch arm reach
1911?
@@YourFallenGhost the 1911 would've also been shot with the bladed, sideways-facing "ye olde" firing stance with one hand.
Firing it like that helps you appreciate how thin, sleek and functional the design is - it did the job in WW1, with Great-War style training and common practices, and it still does a fair amount of that job today with modern training and modern common practices.
Master chief: a fine addition to my collection
Grievous: I need a weapon
Ah yes the pistol named after a chocolate company and a planet
My sister was friends with and went to school the daughter of the Ferrara candy company owner. At first I thought it was Mars, but then I remembered they used to always give us LemonHeads candy, and i guess it's Ferrara that makes LemonHeads. They got a big factory off 290 in Chicago. I think they went to school in Oak Park, IL. This is more of a ramble than anything cuz my memory sucks
Mars was also the Roman god of war
@@ITendToCough rightfully the original and purposeful owner of the name
It's named after the God of War, who has had a planet named after him.
Weird how things go around and come around - but yes, Fairfax (the designer of the gun) named this pistol after the God of War.
Weirdly enough, at this exact same time in history, it'd be 2-3 years before ANOTHER semi-auto pistol called the Mars pistol was made! This time, by Bergmann.
That one is the "Bergmann-Mars" pistol. But now there is confusion over the names! At the time, the gun in this video was called the "Webley-Mars" pistol, to differentiate and not confuse the two, and because Webley's factories made the Webley-Mars.
This gun cam before the candy company lol. Good job
The rotating action at the back reminds me of Johnny's Malorian in 2077
MARS because magnums will never not be cool... I always think of it as a proto desert eagle.
Reminds me more of the Automag 4
@@WeirdoInc787do you mean the AMT one that fired 44magnum or the Auto Mag corp automag that fired 44amp
@@JesusHernandez-bk8km I meant the 44 Amp one just realized I was talking abt the wrong one
The recoil spring in this gun looks almost exactly like the one in my Desert Eagle, kind of wild.
So this guy literally just said this gun made a cameo in a game 32 years before the gun was even produced… Considering the Mars automatic pistol was made in 1900, that means the video game must have been around in 1868, I’m not sure which video game he could possibly be talking about…
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i was looking for this comment lol
Haha dudes a beast with handguns...
@@freebird128 Same!
That ejection mechanism is supremely cursed.
Forgottenweapons has a very good video on it. The entire mechanism sounds pretty jarring to shoot.
He’s up talking it A-LOT, but the firearm simply sucked. but granted, it was the first semi automatic pistol, officers and soldiers preferred their trusty revolver sidearm instead.
Kentucky ballistic: Did I hear recoil!?
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"you remember this!?!?"
As if any kieser era fellas are casually scrolling RUclips.
LOL, thanks, kiddo; Gramps here...
No disrespect to the few comments regarding WW1, but those remarks scream AI-CHAT generated.
Which is okay, but the weakness of AI is that it lacks the flava of the human touch.
Chat with your Gramps, or better, chat with your great Gramps...
Or best of all, spend a day at your local VA hospital and talk to some old timers.
Guarantee that you will learn more than AI will ever be able to teach.
Downside, it will take all day.
Upside, it will make a few old geezers feel respected. JS 👍🏿🇺🇲
It wasn't "so powerful whoever shot it didn't wanna shoot it again" it was literally because the burning hot casings would fly right into your face and it wasn't popular but it's a collector item now just because how hilarious stupid the design is
Yeah, you can look at the cartridge, it's not the power, it's because the damn barrel is set far above the base between your thumb and middle finger, the damn thing would twist your wrist and send brass in your face
The amount of clutches i have with this gun in bf1 is insane
@HalideHelix ey
So powerful, it ejected into your face, had terrible recoil, and an over-engineered slide which made it jam often.
The browning auto 5 does the same thing, the bolt and barrel both go back, the bolt locks, the barrel goes forward, the empty is ejected, the live round come in, the bolt unlocks and closes. Best shotgun ever produced, any anyone that would argue that doesnt know how to clean or oil a gun.
People call the remington 742 woodsmaster a jam o matic but I have one and I like it, grandpa just cared for his guns well
It's in 30-06 too. Very fun
Benelli m4 and Beretta 1301
I have a Remington Model 11, and let me say first hand that thing GOES. But as far as the best ever...no way. It was way ahead of its time and was reliable as a combat weapon to about World War II, but was deemed obsolete by newer semis.
Nah. Not even the best shotgun ever designed by John Browning. Of his 4 major designs of his (the 1887, 1897, Auto 5, and M37), I'd straight up argue it's held up the least.
The reason why people didn't wanna shoot it again was cause the ejector slot would fire the spent casing straight up... Since the recoil was so strong, that meant that the hot brass was headed toward your face.
I’m pretty sure the video game was Assassin’s Creed Syndicate. That one took place in 1860’s london meaning that it lines up with the 32 figure given in the vid.
I was looking for this comment!
Also in Battlefield 1
@@NotHere2SellCookies battlefield 1 took place during WWI…
Ya know, 1914-1918?
@@TexanHuman Yep. The mars automatic pistol was invented in 1900 and it's featured in Battlefield 1. Your game takes place in 1868 and it didn't even exist back then. Smart ass.
@@NotHere2SellCookies thats the thing he said in the video isnt it? a game set 32 years before it existed
This pistol seems kinda shit in all honesty, I see no way in which it was ahead of its time unless the part of it ahead of its time was how it was automatic but even then it’s like those gimmicks you see companies introduce to a product that hardly work at all and are thus removed the next instillation and are only ever really readded once they’re made to function seamlessly like they should.
All you need is a weak spring under the slide and that will send more pressure back
Theu didn't want to fire it again because the shells often ejected into your face during use
Says who?
literally anyone who fired it
@@cosmicbilly says everybody who got a shell ejected into their faces. you can ask everyone who used it in ww1 with a Ouija board i guess
@@sharkbaitoohahah8343 Lmao right cause you know everyone from ww1 and talked to them about it.
It has very little to do with the shells ejecting because for them to hit your face, you would have to aiming it like a rifle with your face right up against the slide.
It's more so about the recoil hurt whoever is shooting it, and the horrible accuracy because of them flinching and bracing for impact.
@@killergames9256 Oh so you know everyone from ww1 personally and have talked to them?
"Literally anyone who's fired it"
Have you fired it?
How tf would you know?
Please provide a link that backs up your claims.
Otherwise you're talking out of your ass.
It's because of the ridiculous recoil.
The shells won't even hit the face unless you aim it like a rifle with your face right up close to the slide, which wouldn't work because the slide would bite them in the face.
The Desert eagle ejects very similarly, and no one complains about shells hitting their face.
Imagine if the guy who didn't wish to fire this gun again. Will fire 20mm anzio 💀💀💀
Now we need Saturn Automatic Pistol.
The man who made it didn't want to change it, it was perfect the way it was in his opinion. What a chad.
LoL, could have at least added a brass deflector on the extractor.
i wouldn't say a chad, more of a fool. webley and military both told him same problems. he didn't listen tried to manufacture his own and didn't make a whole lot before he had to bankrupt. other part besides it being unwieldy the mechanisms were complex. so yea it wouldn't be good for military market.
Yeah it wasn't powerful.
It was unwieldy to fire due to recoil.
These are not the same thing.
The casings where ejected in to your face.
Was probably my favorite pistol in bf1
Was definitely mine
It's like the desert eagle, but more powerful!
Looks like hand held artillery 😂
Bullpup pistols are actually pretty rare
How? the mag is loaded in the grip of the pistol not behind it
But the actual chamber is behind the grip thus its a bullpup
@@memeslife-wq2tx no it isn't, it's literally on top of it, the bullet gets pulled back and the raised and inserted into it, the only time the chamber is behind the grip is after it's fired but before it ejects the spent casing. Not a bullpup
@carlsteffens not the grip the trigger
The chamber is behind the trigger while in most pistols its normally sitting ahead or on top
I'm retarded and mistyped
@@carlsteffens The official definition of a bullpup is that the grip is in front of the breech of the gun instead of behind it. Even if you choose to use the more narrow minded definition, the entire chamber & firing pin are still behind the trigger, therefore making this pistol a bullpup by all means.
Recoil could cause it to hit you and I believe the casings would fly up and hit/burn your face
So what game featured it anachronistically?
Assassin's Creed Syndicate. Stupid game
@@hoppinggnomethe4154 Ah, ok. Thanks man.👍
Battlefield 1 as well
@@hzmicide1738he said anachronistically the gun was made in 1900 and ww1 started in 1914 ac syndicate was set in 1868
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What makes it "ahead of its time" if it was so unwhealdy that nobody wanted to use it.
Yeah I know I own one of them and i keep it on me at all times as my self defense
Because the Maker was such a Perfectionist no two pistols were alike as he was Forever Tweaking and Perfecting its design!!! 🤠👍
Well, 'perfecting it' is an overstatement, Hugh Fairfax was the British equivalent of Hugo Borchardt, both thought their guns were as good as could be and didn't improve them that much. Too bad there wasn't a British Georg Luger to fix up the Mars.
Kinda looks like þe Pistol from Roblox Trenches
I thought of Johnny silver hands gun immediately
It was a horrible weapon. Not a so strong it was banned weapon
Mars automatic, cameo in Battlefield 1!
How hard recoil we talking about?
The Gun was so ahead of its time, it even launched the ejecting Shells into the Shooters face to double the casualtys
kinda look like the grandaddy of desert eagle
"Ah Outworldly Gun" -Anonymous
What video game are you referring to?
Give it to Kentucky ballistics
It's based on a Mars Pistol
Grand father of Desert eagle
Ah yes the desert eagle at home
Game prob red dead redemption
whats the name of the song?
Battlefield 1 players?
Webley Mars... Chambered in8.5,9,45 mars
What about the Webley fosbrey automatic revolver ..note sure on spelling...and also ZIZ ZAG Mauser automatic revolver..1873...Think
'too powerful' he says NO its because the casings FLEW into your FACE
I said colt 1911 😭😭😭🙏
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Прикольно было бы, если бы реплики подобных антикварных пушек сейчас выпускали, для тех кто не может купить оригинал, при этом они были бы в современных калибрах и рассчитаны под бездымный порох.
Правда, будут проблемы с патентами. Наверное.
"Too intense for military use" applies to a lot of handgun rounds. Anything the military would use a handgun for (outside of specific circumstances) wouldn't need a higher power round. That's what SMGs, carbines, and rifles are for.
made by bruno mars
The Mars Pistol was produced between 1897 and 1907 the first video game was made October 1958 I didn't realise 1958 was 37yrs before 1897 🤦🤦🤦
Edit: sorry 32yrs