Training VLOG #13 Specialty Bars, Push:Pull Quackery, and a Jigsaw (ft. Alan Thrall)?
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Nope!
Hey man I've notice you've forgotten so I'm just reminding you to train untamed OK.
"Nope". In unison no doubt!
"All muscles pull by the way" ... "None of them push..." Hahahaha what a smack down. I have heard this all over and it never made sense to me. Thanks for clarifying why.
I think people usually mean muscles for pushing-movement and muscles for pulling-movements. But yh it makes you think lol
Yea, what the guy above said, the idea is that lots of bench with no counter movement ends up pulling the shoulders forward into an unhealthy ball and socket position.
My understanding is that deadlifts are a good counter to the bench to prevent chronic forward shoulder rotation.
Lol I love that the video is so serious and professional, then Siri interrupts and Jordan is asking it to shut the fuck up. I come for the serious/professional information, and I'm staying for the little nuances like that to make the video and Jordan feel real.
Good grief. You're uploading faster than I can watch now. This is not a problem. Keep it coming. Thank you!
The nuance of each answer gradually increased over the duration of this video's mesocycle
I love these video, give us viewers valuable insights on forms, as well as having those questions answered.
I really appreciate how so many youtubers are doing open form critiques. Seeing the faults in other non-pros helps me check myself so much more than watching experts. No idea why. It just does.
Thanks for these videos! Besides training this is my favorite part of the day!
On the push/pull question, I found my shoulders got way better when I stopped doing pull-ups and rows. I do find that snatching before benching leaves me feeling less pulled forward afterwards, but that’s the only balancing effort I take now. Thanks for the great content!
Good content, really loving it!
Thank you 😊
Amazing intro. Your faces were priceless while watching the jigsaw massage video.
Hey doc, thank you for choosing my random double!! I will work on getting a little more horizontal moving forward
These videos are gold, keep up the good content!
That was a pretty funny intro.
That reaction at the start was perfect haha
Thank you for this Jordan!
Thanks these are so helpful!
Guy at 14:00 squats like me (with the overextended back). Thanks for the advice Jordan!
Jordan Feigenbaum. Triggering people on the internet since 2014 :Þ :) :)
Your faces in the intro as you both say “Nope” and laugh should be made into a shirt
About the 1st Q... I agree with the argument against hypertrophy benefit based on increased ROM using a duffalo/buffalo bar. However, those who advocate using duffalo bar (Kabuki Strength) ascribe the benefits as alleviating discomfort associated with training on a straight bar. Therefore increasing exercise tolerance, volume & intensity. I think this is a more valid argument in favor or these specialty bars, including Safety Squat Bar.
"What are you going to do, not train?"
I agree in the case for the squat, but this was for the bench press and I would be hard-pressed to agree that the buffalo bar decreases pain in that context.
The angle of the bar theoretically alters wrist, elbow, & shoulder mechanics through the lift. Similar concept to MB's slingshot without the accommodating resistance... No personal experience just sharing my understanding. Cranky elbows by the end of a Comp Squat & Close Grip Bench session on a straight bar though. Thanks for the VLOGs, watching every one! Especially benefiting from the form reviews.
mechanically you'd probably want a straight bar for bench, as ur elbows are going to want to be "underneath" the bar. With a straight bar this allows the wrists to be aligned, however, with the duffalo bar they may not be. But, whatever allows you to train ay.
josh foster I mean, sure, but if you're looking for angles to accommodate whatever joint angle, just do everything with an easy curl bar, right? Nah.
On the push pull ratio, I think and speaking for myself having a very bad right shoulder (all 4 rotary cuffs almost completely ruptured back when I was 20, 53 now) and having weak rear deltoids and upper back (can only do a couple of pull ups) I am making sure I get a lot of work done on these muscles as I think it's important to keep my shoulder in place. I usually does something for this in between the pressing sets.
Anecdotally, every single powerlifter in the world who bench presses does a shit ton of rows and pullups for shoulder health. Frankly, I don't do powerlifting and have a very low opinion of the sport. BUT even powerlifters like Max Aita who came from very sport specific training in weightlifting have a dedicated "back" day specifically for shoulder health now that they do powerlifting.
Amazing content guys! Can you start saving the instagram live feeds and post them on youtube? love to listen to them on my commute
“The electric went out” 😂
Achieving a pull that is equivalent to your push and percieving a health benefit can be a placebo effect, i.e. telling yourself "Hey, I am equally strong in my push/pull...and I am not experiencing pain or injured".
That might be true, though just being stronger has a known positive effect on pain incidence.
+Barbell Medicine Totally agree, the "push/pull ratio" is BS. Just another way to overcomplicate things lol.
This channel has debunked so much stuff I thought was set in stone.. Pity it wasn't around a long time ago
fumbles 12 Yeah, I feel like I wasted 4 years doing bro splits/push-pull-legs days.
Nah, time spent is at the very least another brick in the wall and building the habit. Don't waste time regretting it, just move on.
Jordan D I spent 2 years on body builder style workouts when I was simply never gonna eat the diet. I got lean and aesthetic, but never stronger. But I learned the basic lifts and how to do them without hurting my old, arthritic ass. I kept reading. Learned about progressive overload, waves, low rep sets, yadda yadda.
I changed my training and got fit. Like... actually fit. I can run, I can jump, I can spin, and the 2/4/6/8 plate strength standard is almost in my grasp. Not bad for a 140 pound guy with arthritis. You live, you learn, you get better.
Hey Jordan, I’m hoping you see this. I’m 22 years old and overweight. I’m just now at a point where I need to look for my first primary care doctor who isn’t my pediatrician. And you guys have spoken in the past about how beneficial it can be to find one who also has experience in the fitness world. Is there anyway that I can go about trying to find a good one near me without having to just go to several different ones? Love the content keep it up!
It's so weird to see Austin training in an actual gym. I'm so used to seeing him in that dark garage.
Just here to boost the RUclips algorithms
I am signing up for the Seattle seminar. I know it is a Saturday and Sunday. Best to fly in Friday night? I want to make sure I am bright eyed and bushy tailed so I can absorb all of the awesome knowledge and bask in the glorious jackitude that is the BBM staff.
tyler whiting great to hear! And yes, we start at 8am on Sat so you’ll want to be there Friday.
Thanks Leah!! I am very excited. You guys do great work and have great products.
@ 6:58 BBM Phone stands?? When will they be available for purchase?
Oh hai, it's me. Thanks for the tips dad
BlondeHealth I'm no jordan feigenbaum but my deadlift used to look a lot like yours. Getting my upper back tight by pushing my chest past my shoulders, towards the bar, really helped me. Also focussing on keeping my shoulders over the bar for as long as possible. Hope this helps
Siri on my phone responded to the same Statement Jordan made, but right before his did.
you couldnt get into your garage? that sounds like a serious problem lol
I really gotta get my life together and have a home gym so I can record at 4K.
Intro was the cutest bromance i've ever seen 👌
Are you guys working with Brooke Ence or was she just there? Would enjoy hearing more about it.
18:05 "his back was a little tight"... what does that mean? ;)
Algorithm question lol: missed yesterdays IG live, when's today's - have 30 min LISS I could do then...
Would love to hear more about how you choose your reps - never noticed you don't like doubles (ie 12 wk strength)
cv0669 listen to their programming podcasts
I've listened to nearly everyone but will re-do
"Im pulling Sets of 8" and do 7 reps. Those math skills xD
Binyamin Flade yep- counting is hard
Sending in a form check video. Follow instructions at 19:34
Do you only do form checks for people who are clients of BBM or just any rando who sends you proper footage?
These are not BBM clients in these videos, but viewers who submit form checks through the address listed above
I see that you put the Roque 25-kg plates on the outside of the sleeves instead of the Eleiko. Is this to promoto US-made products to the world? :)
White Wolf nah. Eleiko > rogue IMO
I'd like to ask you about push:pull... If one would train only the bench and did none of the training for the antagonistic muscle group, would that not be problematic for the shoulder? You did say that training the most amount of muscle mass (which is everything) would be the best, yes. But I cannot help but feel like this is also something that the question is about. I also don't think tere is some sort of total volume or rep scheme that is supposed to be equal between pulling and pushing movement, if only that is the question. As long as you train everything, right?
Cheers man, thanks for the great content :)
Training without any pulling seems totally pointless to me since pulls are probably the most beneficial in daily live. If your a strength athlete, your probably pulling anyway (cleans, snatches, DL) which is in my experience sufficient to train the upper back and shoulder muscles to the degree that you probably won't out-bench-press them anyways.
Nah like if you can just do 100 wide grip pushups for 7 sets 6 days a week it'll work out man party on.
R.B. - Shutup. If you only train bench you're going to run into a lot of problems regardless, more what Feigenbaum's point was is that there's no magical ratio, and that you don't have to cripple your programming efforts just to hit that seemingly magical 2:1 Pull-Push ratio.I'd say a 1:1 would do you fine.
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Oh my god dude.
Whoosh!
Jasper Auld that's how it always seems to me when someone promotes push-pull. Not that there's a magical ratio, just that you need to pull a lot to keep the posterior chain strong and healthy. The BBM crew seems to be pretty nuanced with their answers, which many viewers tend to translate into absolute yes/no.
It also seems like casual, novice body builder types are the ones who need the pulling advice most. You know... the ones most likely to skip legs.
I've tried everything! I can't fix my overextending squat! It looks like the guy's before JF's deads
Wat do?
Awesomesauce
Have you seen a video on Pendlay Rows where Glenn Pendlay himself explains how to do them? You can find it on RUclips. He says that you should pull to lower chest/upper abs area and that there should be no body english. I guess it should be better to call the rows that you are doing Barbell Rows from the floor or something like that.
Jakub Kowalski yes, but i don’t agree with him and he didn’t name the exercise either.
Was it Matt Reynolds who named it?
yeah, Cailer Woolam (Dr. deadlift) do these same way (with body english or how they call it:)))and it seems work great for him - world record deadlift
Barbell Medicine How do you mean he didn’t name them? Aren’t they named after him and the way he does them?
Haven't Brian Alsurhe and Elliot Hulse talked about balancing push/pull movements(push/pull in relation to the body) in the upper body?
Broscientists
Hulse is bro as fuck, Alsruhe may believe one or two pieces of pseudoscience here and there, he's an older lifter after all.
NeoSpartanHesperos9 look at all the other shit elliott spends his time on and you decide if you want to take his advice. Notice this guys job is to workout and that includes a bunch of wasted hours of filling out his day
so has Alan Thrall.. and all three are or were also strongmen, not powerlifters or barbell trainers/trainees and i believe this is more of a strongman thing.
Did you watch the video you are posting under, Jordan adressed the very qustion. It's not a strongman thing, it's just a baseless claim.
I think people are confusing "push pull" as purely a means to break up their weekly workouts versus a methodlogy of ratio and whatnot.
I heard that Jason Blaha will be joining the Barbell Medicine team. Is this true?
Lol no, where did you hear that?
I heard that too. Sounds like a great combo!
Pls be trolling.
Absolutely not
Okay. Thanks for clearing that up. When I heard that rumor, it just made a lot of sense because he has a lot of subscribers and a lot of training/medical knowledge. BTW, thanks for the 12 week strength program and Bridge 2.0, I purchased both and am really making serious gains on the 2.0 and will begin the 12 week when I stall out on 2.0
Allan Thrall 19:32
experience (the other name of "bro science") shows that if you bench heavy without reenforcing your rear delts, you re more likely to injure yourself. now to work the rear delts you might do rowing with opened elbows, and for the rotator cuff there is a small movement called the "hitchhiker", with very light dumbbell… maybe there are "no studies" on this, but it is only the sign of the fact that there is no such thing as an "exercise science"...
That's gonna be a no from me to each one of these claims.
Then why do you include chins up and rows two times a Week, on the two gpp days in "The Bridge" program? What's their purpose?
General hypertrophy, conditioning, and strength development. We make no claims about their utility for shoulder injury risk reduction.
Glad you addressed the push/pull BS.
Omarisuf and Alphadestiny, please stop spreading BS
David Van Legendary well, Jordan didn’t really “debunk” the push-pull ratio, he just stated an opinion. there’s still no science or objective fact behind his opinion. being an MD does not extend authority to all things outside of his area of medical practice.
it’s an interesting opinion tho.
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