Except for the glaring mistake in his rant (which went on, and on, and on, and on) about the Greens /ALP coalition and the EV tax... There is NO coalition, and the Greens do NOT support this tax... But other than those (easily checkable) facts that he got wrong, yes, a good report...
Yes, fascinating interview. But still doesn't explain their products' woeful uptime, in Australia at least, except indicating it was the operators' fault.
@@malcolmstreet1 It would be good to get some stats on why they fail. Providing the electricity supply is on, there shouldn't really be any reason why the chargers fail except for them being made with poor quality components that end up failing prematurely.
The Labor government governs in its own right. It is not in coalition with the Greens unfortunately. One of the Greens members purchased a Solar system off my company Pure Electric, a Tesla battery and he rides his bike everywhere. Tim Read our local member does not support the tax only being levied on electric vehicles. Him and all the Greens are against the discriminatory distance charge against EV owners. (I'm a Tesla Model S driver).
It is no surprise to Labor people that a luxury car owner would seek to avoid paying taxes others pay for road use. This isn't discrimination - it is equitable and the electorate know it which is why the Labor government was returned so spectacularly. They are not elitist.
@@mahonjt I get it. They want EVs to face taxes because they are a luxury. I can understand their point. Whether you support the decision depends on your priorities. I oppose the tax on EVs.
Robert, the Victorian govt is a Labor majority govt. It is not ruling in coalition with The Greens. The Greens do not support the tax on electric vehicles in Victoria
So close to a million subscribers! I've been here since around 30k subs and it's been great to watch the channel grow. What an achievement guys, well done and so deserved 🙂
Jane at Tritium is wonderful. Very knowledgeable and energetic. I was especially glad to hear she drives a Model 3 so she understands what its like to drive an EV. Those making infrastructure decisions should be long time EV owners, Australia is in great hands with Jane at the helm.
@@alanrickett2537 Tritium chargers don't work well though, they have a high failure rate in Oz, it's not uncommon to find 50% or even 75% of chargers at a site down.
Sam's such a wonderfully genuine guy, who also shares such an unflinching passion towards the pursuit of electrification & sustainable transport ! Prayers for Sam's Children & Wife in her fight against Cancer !
The ability to charge at work is a game changer for the majority of people for 90% of their usage. Where my wife works they have normal power sockets (220V/13 amp AC) in the parking bays. She arrives around 9 am and leaves around 6 pm. In that time she can add around 169 klm - more than covering her commute so keeping the battery around 100% most of the time (LFP battery - Tesla model 3 SR+). Covers almost all our needs for the weekend (2 visits to a Super -charger required so far…in 18 months plus 2 overnight charges at home). It’s been a very inexpensive option for us…
Great to hear! Charging during the day also makes sense as we build more cheap solar. Then with V2G cars can reduce demand on the grid during the evenings and mornings.
The Tesla network and chargers are the standard of reliability, quality, and availability and cost about $40,000 per unit far less than any other make.
Watching this episode in Canberra, on my way to Sydney from Hobart for FC Live. Driving my Kona EV, chatting to lots of ICE drivers, who see the Tasmania registration plates, initially convinced that i couldn't possibly drive from Hobart to Sydney in ab EV. Charged in Barnarwatha, Tarcutta on the way here. Chargers worked perfectly. Shared a charger with a 60 seat electric coach on its way down the Hume Highway.
"Charged in Barnarwatha, Tarcutta on the way here. Chargers worked perfectly. " Lucky you! Charged at both in the last few days in my Leaf. Tarcutta (Tritium only) is a regular and on all previous visits everything was fine, except this time CCS2 was down on one of the two chargers. My fourth visit to Barnewartha and I have never seen all four chargers working there - it's been a disaster area. This time around not only was one of the two Tritium chargers down, CHAdeMO wasn't working on the two ABB ultra-rapid units.
Another great update, Jane clearly knows what she is talking about and her enthusiasm for what her company is doing is infectious. I have been following the Electric Viking for a while know and I am so glad you recognise his contribution to the industry. He tells it straight.
Hi Robert, looking forward to the live show next week. See you there. I live in the Democratic Fossil Fuel Republic of Victoria and have the privilege of paying the EV disincentive tax. I recently undertook a road trip in South Australia, which was fantastic. I travelled 4,581 km in SA, for which I will have to pay the Victorian governmnet $119.
The tax certainty is a joke... But if he's going to rant (over and over and over and over and over again), he should get his facts right The Australian Greens do NOT support this tax and the Greens are NOT in coalition with the ALP...
@@alistairhart9568 And if the two major parties still haven’t learned their lesson from the last federal election,the next government will be Green and Teal. It’s looking very likely at the moment.🤔
The Greens are strongly against the Victorian, EV tax and publicly have stated it's a backward tax. That record should be corrected in your next episode. Labor introduced this tax with Greens attempting to vote it down. The smaller parties, including The Animal justice party voted for this ludicrous tax. In fact, the Animal Justice party had the vote that they could've used to kill off this tax.
FYI Robert, Victorian labor is not in coalition with the Australian Greens of Victoria. They are a majority government. They are a bit shite on EVs though
@@ledsalesoz The rant kind of missed the target. It's not about Labor being in the pocket of fossil fuels. It is about revenue raising, pure and simple. $$ grab.
Replacing half of what they lose by the switch from petrol to electric and giving $3000 towards purchase and $100 discount on rego is hardly a money grab.🤔
@@malcolmrickarby2313 true, but they only came about after the tax was introduced, and to placate the uproar from it. Other states provide similar incentives without the tax.
It is a pity that Tritium has supplied Merri-bek now Moreland City council in Melbourne Austalia - 6x Tritium chargers at over $50,000 each and after 2 years they're all broken and Tritium refuses to supply parts to fix them after just 2 years. The council now wants to scrap them and spend $50,000 each $300,000 total with another vendor like ABB or Siemens. Totally unacceptable Tritium you need to fix these chargers at Moreland / Merri-bek ASAP. Pull your finger out Tritium and get these fixed ASAP.
Council got the model all wrong. By making them free they've been overused and hence broken down - as Jane mentions power electronics will break with usage. I'd be very surprised if Tritium won't supply parts.
@@mark123655 there's no such thing as overused. If they're not used close to 24 hours per day they're underused. The access to the grid etc is expensive and difficult to get. The sites cost a fortune. SO they need utilisation approaching 100% (realising that it is unlikely to be achieved from midnight to 5AM but outside those hours you want them to be able to g flat chat. Which is exactly what the Tesla ones do in many sites the world over. ie Broadway in Sydney and Cremone/Richmond in Melbourne for example.
@@mark123655 The model is only wrong becuase it allows people who have cheap power at home to use them by prefernece. They should be charging cost recovery at a minimum for the power which would be about 15-20c/kWh
Hold on a sec. As far as I knew the only Labor/Greens coalition was the ACT Government, and that Victoria was a majority Labor Government. I don't live in Victoria, but I am pretty sure I am right.
@@jep1912 we’re definitely behind the curve but catching up slowly. Lots more options now, charging infrastructures getting better and huge amounts of houses can charge off solar.
I'm also waiting for a real affordable EV, one that is on par for price with ICE vehicles or at most only 10% more. That will be the "Game changer". Also waiting for an EV that can tow while having a long range suitable for the big lap of Oz.
This was a great video Thank you Robert , i love the Instavolt Tritium Chargers even though they are a little expensive but as most of my charging is done from home i dont mind paying for the reliability of them .i try to plan my stops on long trips using them. I can see that oneday when petrol stations are are closing down and replaced with chargers they could all be plug and pay as they use the shop to make money , you could plug in to a charger and pay at the till with cash or a bank card just like petrol , they ask you what number charger you are on ,they can see how much you owe you pay and then the can press a release button to let you drive off . oneday we wont need to plan a route as every village will have charging station .
Agreed. Curious to know, however, if anybody else noticed that the car he highlighted (09:00:00) as being an Oro Funky Cat appears to be a Nissan Juke...
Ah man, that's good to know and well done you for seeing that and going EV regardless. I'm a Brit and I was doing a Robert rant on behalf of you Victorians! 👍👏
My next car will be…an informed and entertained choice by via the Fully Charged show. What a generous service to humanity! Thank you, gracias, and merci.
Thank you for interviewing the delightful Jane Hunter from Tritium. 👍 It's refreshing to have an Australian talking about the EV future & a company making positive moves. I did note that she drives a Model 3 Tesla which only takes minutes to charge to 80%, which is the way to go, so thumbs up there. 👍 She didn't mention the level of charge it was at the time, but if I was her, it wouldn't matter because I'd charge at work too. 😉 As for the kudos handed to Tesla, is there public information on the generations & ratings of their Australian SuperChager network? That would make interesting reading.
Thanks for having Jane from Tritium on. I might have to give there chargers another try. I had a very bad experience in southern California where the charger would not stop charging and the software was trying to reboot. I tried to stop the charge at 80% and could not get it to stop. Finally at 99% I was able to break the latch to get the connector off the car. The charger put out full power from 80% to 99%. I'm lucky the car did not catch fire. When I talked to Tritium US tech support they could only see that the charger was "off line". Tech support estimated that the issue was software. They should be able to design the chargers to work at constantly charging car after car for five years without maintenance and minimal software updates.
I don't actually have a problem with a distance based tax based on a combination of vehicle weight and emissions. Ideally with that money ringfenced to road maintenance and health. But to do one that only applies to the lowest emission vehicles just because they're heavier per footprint without applying a similar tax - ideally a higher one - to the element that affects human health is pure money Vs humans.
I am a Victorian, and can't understand the stubbornness of the Victorian Government on this issue - it is very clunky, awkward policy. Methinks Victorian Treasury is the driver of this. Hoping the High Court wipes it out.
No we haven't he owns more media than anyone else in the land. He sadly is not disowned. He is an American because they wouldn't accept him having so much media ownership without him being an American. But he can have even more media ownership as a percentage here and not be an Australian. Who's the stupid country?
And (used to be) a lighting option on Suunto sighting compasses/clinos, for use underground/at night. I don't think they are allowed to do it any more. And it was kind of annoying as it steadily got dingier as the device got older. The point being that it was a non-magnetic light, so easy to fit to a compass.
Living in Canada, I could understand some province like Alberta taxing EVs like Victoria but they don’t. For Victoria to do this without an oil and gas industry to support is beyond comprehension.
Unfortunately the only place where there is a Labor/Greens coalition is the ACT and unsurprisingly they are way further ahead in climate targets than any other state or territory. The whole reason Victoria has this regressive tax is because Labor is a majority government
And yet while some their other enviro policies are terrible, the NSW Liberal Govt has provided the most funding for chargers (both absolute and per capita) by a long way, as well as other benefits like using T2/T3 lanes and electrifying government fleets
Unfortunately, we don't have good choices for parties to govern us here in OZ. We have a choice of crooked paid-for morons and the slightly less paid-for morons and then there are the greens that voted against having a carbon price! Politicians are nearly as bad as journalists! I only vote to try and keep the worst out of office I can't vote for a party! Time for a rebuild of our democracy, root and branch! I would like to build a prison just for politicians. None go to gaol/jail here. They break the law but some how don't pay for their crimes.
The Aussie taxpayers have spent billions on tropical island accommodation for refugees. It would certainly be appropriate to send the politicians there for a decade or two. Save on their ridiculous pension plan.🤔
I think you need Sam involved more. The Victorian state government it NOT a coalition between Labor & The Greens, they are separate parties. Also, when you talked about the neighbours of Victoria, you showed a clip of Queensland. Love your channel, but attention to detail please :-p
Hi, I love fully charged and The Electric Viking I am subscribed to both channels. I agree with you about the electric car tax, I have an MG ZS EV, and yes paying it is a bit of a faff. However, it's only once a year and isn't that arduous. I think it's a bit unfair though to have a go at the Victorian government and make out that they are in the pocket of the fossil fuel industry, without mentioning that they have been actively closing Coal powered power stations, pushing and discounting solar technology to households, providing free heat pump hot water systems to Victorians (I know I got one), have pushed and installed huge wind farms and installed several large battery installations. All of which were heavily criticized by the previous Liberal coalition government and other Liberal states around Australia. So yeah, the EV tax is Crap. But it's just one part of the overall story.
Victorian Labor govern in their own right as others have echoed. They are not in any way shape or form in coalition with the Greens. The Greens oppose the EV tax and campaigned against it at the recent Victorian election.
Victorian government charges EVs and Plug in hybrids for every kilometre travelled, the most insulting part is that the majority of our roads are in a disgusting state. Yes you do have to take a photo of your odometer and if you don’t send it in they will deregisiter your car, as far as I am concerned the ALP here in Victoria is a bloody joke. They spend enormous amounts of money on not needed rail, road tunnels etc in Melbourne and bugger all outside in rural Victoria. In rural Victoria EV sales are growing and we deserve decent roads as well as decent EV charging options not just Melbourne
Chris just finished up high court challenge to the tax. Should get a verdict in few months. Other states have dropped up coming ev road use tax as a result. At least vline tickets by locked to under $10 come months end
This is an unacceptable breach of privacy. I’m more than happy to pay road tax on my Tesla (here in UK). I paid a lot for it, and realise it’s wearing out the roads. Like the dystopian 15 Minute Cities being ‘installed’ in Oxford, and I assume London soon, with ANPR cameras everywhere, this is all about tracking and milking us for money. No freedom with the WEFs horrific vision.
When growing up in NZ, for our diesel truck we had to supply our odometer reading on a regular basis to pay for our road usage tax. The road tax was built into the costs of petrol but not diesel. Could see how the same logic could be applied to electric cars as they too use roads and need to pay for upkeep too.
Yep, in Australia they not only break a lot, but are offline for months. May be the operator that’s the problem, but Tritium’s name is loud and proud in people’s faces and cop the blame.
Taking the AC out of the car and only having DC fast charging? That would rule out home charging would it not? Solar at home is where this change to EV has its biggest attraction to buyers.
@@BreakingWildGaming Home-solar produces DC directly, you could theoretically plug that straight into your car with no conversion at all, even if your Solar inverter has exploded. But i think the idea for home-charging in those "DC only" cars is that the AC/DC conversion gubbins are stored on the wall AT YOUR HOME.
God - lots of hate for the Electric Viking in the comments. I'm a fan - of course he's opinionated, but he's usually right, and he's going through a nightmare of a time just now. I'm excited he's joining up with Fully Charged. Nobody's perfect, but please, if in doubt, be kind..
Can you name 10 things he, the viking has got right at the time of the announcement? All his videos are just repacked news someone else has already posted. He doesn't even own an EV now.
I also hope tritium go from strength to strength , but it is all about reliability . I see and hear about chargers being broken for weeks on end , this is where anxiety comes in for traveling . they must be maintained as it is a vital link in the chain for ev adoption , when is the last time any one drove an ice vehicle into a petrol station and worried about the pumps not working, I know it has never happened to me in over 35 years of driving.
I know Tritium has a good reputation overseas, but in Australia they’ve been dragged through the mud by operators who let their faulty chargers stay broken for months and even years. And even when fixed, are broken again soon after. It’s probably also exacerbated by the fact that Tritium operators only ever put in one or two chargers per site, so they get absolutely hammered and are in almost constant use, leading to them breaking down.
Well thank you Jane I had no idea that Instavolt chargers, (the ones I use in teh UK on long trips 90% of the time) are made by your company Tritium, what a wonderful surprise! Well done and keep up the good work, loved the story behind your company too!!
Got to feel sorry for the guy in the news the other day that was touring Tasmania in his Phev. It only had 30km range in electric and now he is paying for petrol tax and the ev tax on every km he drives. Madness.
Great that Jane Hunter made the switch from Boeing to Tritium as seems a very competent Exec leading a company with a product in a sweet spot of history....the once in a generation change to electric mobility. Timely she mentioned charger maintenance agreements, a key subject in my latest EV video on charger reliability. 👍🔋⚡
2:50 it’s a tax of 2.6 cents per km.That around $505 a year for the average driver. I don’t know what the situation is but even in the U.S. they are researching taxing per mile given the roads have to be funded and traditional it’s paid when one buys the fuel.
Just a correction on the (ridiculous, regressive) Victorian EV tax - it wasn't supported by the Greens. The Greens aren't in coalition with Labor (in Victoria, anyway)... that bill passed the upper house with support of other crossbenchers like the Animal Justice Party and the Reason Party. Hopefully the High Court challenge will mean this terrible hamfisted policy will be overturned...
I’m watching the stand against vic Ev tax closely. Im about to make the jump to an EV it won’t stop us but will delay our change over. The politicians running our state in vic just don’t get it …….. keep up the good work Robert
The sad thing for Tritium is that the providers who use them really dont have any solid maintenance programs. The result of this is that Tritium gets a poor reputation.
Robert Great to have you in Australia but, please be careful with the local politics. It is essential to get things absolutely right otherwise the credibility of your show will be questioned Australia has 6 states and 2 territories each with their own state govt Victoria currently has a majority Labor government that is not in coalition with the Greens as you have incorrectly stated in your video. A correction is in order as The Greens do not support a tax on EVs. All the very best for you and your team during your stay in Australia!
I am not against a tax on EVs as long as it is functionally equivalent to the fuel tax. By that, I mean for every gallon equivalent of electricity you use the tax is the same as it is for a gallon of gasoline or diesel. This could be in liters, of course.
In Oregon with the federal government and the state government incentives you can get $15,000 US off the price of a new EV. In Victoria it's " What's all this? Someone trying to cheat on petrol GST? Tax it to death."
except its totally ALP and not the greens behind it. The greens are happy for the rego to be road usage based for all cars in the future but defiintely not discriminatory to dissuade takeup of electric vehicles which is what Tim Pallas and Down Andrews ALP labor party have done with what is happening now.
Such a great interview with Jane. Refreshing to see the enthusiasm and dedication to better the hot mess that is now the charging infrastructure. One could have better hopes for the future 🙂 Still, it'll be many years to see this kind of changes in many countries, unless there is some legal ground to forcing networks to implement or change the existing chargers so that they support plug and charge, asap
22:16 she says Tesla's charging system is proprietary and if they want it to be universal "they've got some work to do". Maybe being way down in Australia, she hasn't heard/seen the news. Tesla has developed a charger retrofit that incorporates a universal connector and has the software to charge any electric car. These are already being deployed in Europe and beginning in the USA. Thus Tesla superchargers will be available to all EVs. Tritium better have some serious $$$$ for expansion if they wish to compete with Tesla.
Yeah - for someone who is in the industry, she should know that Tesla use CCS2 in Europe, Australia, New Zealand (actually most of the countries they operate in) - the same plug as other EVs - and they've been offering charging to non-Teslas for over a year. Perhaps she was trying to talk them down, hoping that people would hear a myth about Tesla and just believe it (I mean, it works) but Fully Charged viewers are better informed than that.
The Labour government in New Zealand are also introducing Road User Charge for EVs in April next year. It's coming for all EV owners around the world, the question is, is there enough momentum? Diesel vehicles in both Australia and New Zealand already pay RUC because duty is not collected at the pump for diesel.
The fossil fools are as relentless as they are greedy and selfish. If their gov't puppets insist on charging a fee per kilometer driven, do it for ALL vehicles -no matter the drivetrain. And they should also include in the calculation the weight of the vehicle. I really enjoyed the conversation with Jane Hunter: very informative!
The petrol excise federal road usage tax is paid per litre and averages out for a car at about $400 per year, the EV levy average is expected to be $200 per year. And the heavier the vehicle the more fuel you need.
All ice cars pay a road tax with fuel tax ,EVs don't hence the road tax ,you will pay for roads the same as anybody else and after you drive your EV for at least 100,000 miles your carbon footprint will be the same as a diesel car ,your EV has already produced 30 tons of green house gas on pickup an iCE car about 5 ,and good luck with your power prices into the future
@@gremlinfishing4286 Of course. That's why ALL vehicles should pay their road tax via mileage and weight with their yearly registration -rather than ICE cars paying at the pump. As for your carbon footprint claims, they are WAY off. According to EPA data, a Chevy Cruze diesel emits 294 grams of GHG from its tailpipe and 44 grams upstream for every mile driven. An Ioniq 5 EV emits 140 grams upstream per mile. Where in the world do you get such exaggerations?
To be fair to Victoria, a distance-based road-use tax is not that unreasonable. There is effectively one already for ICE vehicles because fuel use is highly correlated with distance (that one even has an efficiency bonus built-in). We are all going to get road-use taxes of some sort eventually, and it is better for them to be usage based than flat rate. You could argue that they should be paid for out of general taxation like other public transport services, but most transport systems also have some fraction of user-payments too (trains, buses, planes) otherwise it's a heavy burden for the non-users. I think it's fair for vehicles to pay some kind of axle-weight/distance-related charge, as that's where most of the road-wear comes from. It's too early of course when the penetration of the EV fleet is 0.5%, but it will have to happen sometime, and it's easier to introduce when there aren't that many users to complain. They should have applied it to all vehicles of course (and maybe reduced the fuel tax a bit too if they want it cost-neutral for ICE).
So much hyperbole about having to pay $200 per year for road usage compared to $400 per year for road usage in an ICE car. No, Victoria has not been taken over by the fossil fuel industry. My daughter just got $4000 off a home battery courtesy of the Victorian Govt and there are EV rebates too. I am coming up for the Fully Charged show and intend to get an EV by the end of the year (home is already all electric) and the Victorian road usage levy is of zero concern to my EV purchase, happy to contribute my $200 per year. But to be clear this bagging of the Victorian Govt over $200 a year road usage contribution is really incredible as was the "report" that the EV reps came out with at the time that said this would reduce demand by 50%. Creating a mountain out of a molehill indeed.
Although slightly off subject, I do feel that there is not enough attention being paid to, nor promoted about the huge advantages that bi-directional EV charging will achieve, and help us in the near future. Not only in substantial cost saving to us the consumers (due to the upcoming multi tariff smart meters), but of course also helping to smooth out the grid peaks and troughs for electricity suppliers, which 'should' lead to less expensive electricity tariffs overall (though I'm not going to hold my breath on that one).
The Victorian Labor Party has a low per kilometre tax of 2.5cents put in WITH a registration discount for EV owners. The tax is tiny, but if not integrated well into any easy collection can leave a big annual bill. If this element of the bill was amended it would be more acceptable. I agree with challenging it, it is also particularly obserd that it applied outside Victoria. I spoke to a Tesla driver who travels between Canberra and Melbourne, his insurance is clearly of the Australian Capital Territory (ACT). Victorian Labor are rolling out election buses, and so on also. If this tax was 1. Federal, 2. Connected at charging station or in partnership with car manufacturers apps, this would be better. I AGREE that it can wait a little to incentivises buying up, but I would be just as happy if it could be deducted weekly as it would be very affordable The Victorian Labor Government is also undoing the energy privatisation to invest as a majority shareholder in order to drive the energy transition to electric. This was opposed by the Victorian Liberal Party The Greens are not in a coalition with Labor, Labor governs a majority government.
Great the hear some Aussie EV news, well done. Unfortunately it appears that FCS’s version of Oz starts and ends at the WA/SA border. The WA govt. has introduced a few EV friendly initiatives worth mentioning but strangely absent on your show.
This is your best show ever. I don't watch much, but EV charging is the most important factor at this stage of convincing the public to move to EV's. I have a model Y and 3 here in the US. Just so you understand my perspective. Energy is much cheaper in the US than most of the rest of the world. Some states are approaching European levels of cost, but most are really dirt cheap. My state is cheap. So home charging for 98% or more of my charging is very cost effective. Although dirt is getting expensive. Tire wear and costs are a major area for discussion. What are best practices for tire longevity?
Ah Tritium the word in unreliability as shown by Bjorn and many EV drivers globally. I really hope you guys make it to a million by the time FCL in Sydney or maybe even during the show, crack the Champagne Bobby & Dan!! :)
The WA state government is implementing a road user charge as well, using the same argument that there is no fuel tax being collected to maintain the roads. However fuel excise is collected by the federal government. Total rort. I would suggest that fuel excise be dropped entirely and for all vehicles to pay a road user charge, but that means heavy emitting cars would be charged the same as economical ones. And the chances of a carbon charge being accepted is pretty slim😑 Buggered if I know...
Tritium chargers are very unreliable here in Australia. The Queensland govt fast charger network (QESH) uses only Tritium chargers and many of them are broken and unusable for months at a time. This causes massive problems when doing a road trip through regional Queensland.
The Tritium RTM50 in Cairns lost all its coolant two weeks ago. Well, green liquid was leaking out the front. Ever since then it won't maintain a charging session beyond a few minutes and the speed drops rapidly. Tritium could have told Yurika if their software was any good. Yurika seem to think it's an 'intermittent issue affecting charging'. Ugh.
@@PCLoadLetter you have my sympathy Peter. I understand how frustrating this is when public infrastructure that you rely on, lets you down. I recently rang the transport minister's office and spoke to an advisor on the QESH, saying how unreliable the chargers are, plus that 50% of charger plugs are Chademo, despite EVs with a Chademo plug only being less than 10% of all EVs (I recently stopped at the largest QESH charger station and EVs were queued up to use the three CCS2 plugs, while nobody was using the three Chademo plugs).
@@beyondzeroemissions or pretender not to... Tritium might have been the first to use liquid-cooled cables. With that said, I prefer Tesla's cable, its a lot thinner and lighter.
Jane Hunter was FABULOUS! Well spoken, no nonsense, and a very informative segment!
So very well said, a pleasure to watch.
Except for the glaring mistake in his rant (which went on, and on, and on, and on) about the Greens /ALP coalition and the EV tax... There is NO coalition, and the Greens do NOT support this tax... But other than those (easily checkable) facts that he got wrong, yes, a good report...
Yes, fascinating interview. But still doesn't explain their products' woeful uptime, in Australia at least, except indicating it was the operators' fault.
@@malcolmstreet1 It would be good to get some stats on why they fail. Providing the electricity supply is on, there shouldn't really be any reason why the chargers fail except for them being made with poor quality components that end up failing prematurely.
The Labor government governs in its own right. It is not in coalition with the Greens unfortunately. One of the Greens members purchased a Solar system off my company Pure Electric, a Tesla battery and he rides his bike everywhere. Tim Read our local member does not support the tax only being levied on electric vehicles. Him and all the Greens are against the discriminatory distance charge against EV owners. (I'm a Tesla Model S driver).
Yes, it is irritating that Robert gets facts wrong like this.
The Greens certainly do not support the EV road user tax!
Yes Matthew I came here to make the same point, the EV tax is the ALP acting all on its own.
It is no surprise to Labor people that a luxury car owner would seek to avoid paying taxes others pay for road use. This isn't discrimination - it is equitable and the electorate know it which is why the Labor government was returned so spectacularly. They are not elitist.
@@mahonjt I get it. They want EVs to face taxes because they are a luxury. I can understand their point.
Whether you support the decision depends on your priorities. I oppose the tax on EVs.
Robert, the Victorian govt is a Labor majority govt. It is not ruling in coalition with The Greens. The Greens do not support the tax on electric vehicles in Victoria
So close to a million subscribers! I've been here since around 30k subs and it's been great to watch the channel grow. What an achievement guys, well done and so deserved 🙂
You're such a trooper Andy.
I've been here since Kryten finally managed to say "Smeg"
@@homerbloodysimpson same, I'm a big red dwarf fan and it was seeing what Kryten was up to that eventually got me into EVs 🙂
Jane at Tritium is wonderful. Very knowledgeable and energetic. I was especially glad to hear she drives a Model 3 so she understands what its like to drive an EV. Those making infrastructure decisions should be long time EV owners, Australia is in great hands with Jane at the helm.
Must be only chargers made by companies start with a T work well
@@alanrickett2537 Tritium chargers don't work well though, they have a high failure rate in Oz, it's not uncommon to find 50% or even 75% of chargers at a site down.
I love that Sam gets recognition. He definitely deserves it.
Sam's such a wonderfully genuine guy, who also shares such an unflinching passion towards the pursuit of electrification & sustainable transport ! Prayers for Sam's Children & Wife in her fight against Cancer !
The ability to charge at work is a game changer for the majority of people for 90% of their usage. Where my wife works they have normal power sockets (220V/13 amp AC) in the parking bays. She arrives around 9 am and leaves around 6 pm. In that time she can add around 169 klm - more than covering her commute so keeping the battery around 100% most of the time (LFP battery - Tesla model 3 SR+). Covers almost all our needs for the weekend (2 visits to a Super -charger required so far…in 18 months plus 2 overnight charges at home). It’s been a very inexpensive option for us…
Yup exactly.... Cars spend 90% of their time parked... Destination Charger network access is really the key to widespread EV adoption.
How very privileged
@@richardspencer1227 it's not privileged.. It's common sense
@@richardspencer1227 Everything starts as rare and privileged in the beginning.
Great to hear! Charging during the day also makes sense as we build more cheap solar. Then with V2G cars can reduce demand on the grid during the evenings and mornings.
Very happy to know the best DC chargers in the world are made here in Brizvegas! Well done Tritium.
They really aren't, Tritium chargers are shockingly unreliable...
The Tesla network and chargers are the standard of reliability, quality, and availability and cost about $40,000 per unit far less than any other make.
@@jjamespacbell
All the electronic bits are in one cabinet, with the charge points just junction boxes with a place for the cord.
@@universeisundernoobligatio3283 - once again Tesla thinking big, not just about charging *an* EV but how to charge half a dozen at a time.
@@ledsalesoz Yes, I've heard the same
Watching this episode in Canberra, on my way to Sydney from Hobart for FC Live. Driving my Kona EV, chatting to lots of ICE drivers, who see the Tasmania registration plates, initially convinced that i couldn't possibly drive from Hobart to Sydney in ab EV. Charged in Barnarwatha, Tarcutta on the way here. Chargers worked perfectly. Shared a charger with a 60 seat electric coach on its way down the Hume Highway.
"Charged in Barnarwatha, Tarcutta on the way here. Chargers worked perfectly. "
Lucky you! Charged at both in the last few days in my Leaf. Tarcutta (Tritium only) is a regular and on all previous visits everything was fine, except this time CCS2 was down on one of the two chargers. My fourth visit to Barnewartha and I have never seen all four chargers working there - it's been a disaster area. This time around not only was one of the two Tritium chargers down, CHAdeMO wasn't working on the two ABB ultra-rapid units.
Another great update, Jane clearly knows what she is talking about and her enthusiasm for what her company is doing is infectious. I have been following the Electric Viking for a while know and I am so glad you recognise his contribution to the industry. He tells it straight.
Hi Robert, looking forward to the live show next week. See you there. I live in the Democratic Fossil Fuel Republic of Victoria and have the privilege of paying the EV disincentive tax. I recently undertook a road trip in South Australia, which was fantastic. I travelled 4,581 km in SA, for which I will have to pay the Victorian governmnet $119.
What a joke of a tax that is! Sorry you have to endure it. Hopeful something positive comes out of the court case.
The tax certainty is a joke... But if he's going to rant (over and over and over and over and over again), he should get his facts right
The Australian Greens do NOT support this tax and the Greens are NOT in coalition with the ALP...
@@alistairhart9568 And if the two major parties still haven’t learned their lesson from the last federal election,the next government will be Green and Teal. It’s looking very likely at the moment.🤔
The Greens are strongly against the Victorian, EV tax and publicly have stated it's a backward tax. That record should be corrected in your next episode. Labor introduced this tax with Greens attempting to vote it down. The smaller parties, including The Animal justice party voted for this ludicrous tax. In fact, the Animal Justice party had the vote that they could've used to kill off this tax.
Just an ALP government in Victoria, no Greens in the coalition.
FYI Robert, Victorian labor is not in coalition with the Australian Greens of Victoria. They are a majority government. They are a bit shite on EVs though
Yes, a number of errors in this video, not very well researched unfortunately.
@@ledsalesoz The rant kind of missed the target. It's not about Labor being in the pocket of fossil fuels. It is about revenue raising, pure and simple. $$ grab.
Replacing half of what they lose by the switch from petrol to electric and giving $3000 towards purchase and $100 discount on rego is hardly a money grab.🤔
@@malcolmrickarby2313 true, but they only came about after the tax was introduced, and to placate the uproar from it. Other states provide similar incentives without the tax.
It is a pity that Tritium has supplied Merri-bek now Moreland City council in Melbourne Austalia - 6x Tritium chargers at over $50,000 each and after 2 years they're all broken and Tritium refuses to supply parts to fix them after just 2 years. The council now wants to scrap them and spend $50,000 each $300,000 total with another vendor like ABB or Siemens. Totally unacceptable Tritium you need to fix these chargers at Moreland / Merri-bek ASAP. Pull your finger out Tritium and get these fixed ASAP.
Council got the model all wrong.
By making them free they've been overused and hence broken down - as Jane mentions power electronics will break with usage.
I'd be very surprised if Tritium won't supply parts.
@@mark123655 there's no such thing as overused. If they're not used close to 24 hours per day they're underused. The access to the grid etc is expensive and difficult to get. The sites cost a fortune. SO they need utilisation approaching 100% (realising that it is unlikely to be achieved from midnight to 5AM but outside those hours you want them to be able to g flat chat. Which is exactly what the Tesla ones do in many sites the world over. ie Broadway in Sydney and Cremone/Richmond in Melbourne for example.
@@mark123655 The model is only wrong becuase it allows people who have cheap power at home to use them by prefernece. They should be charging cost recovery at a minimum for the power which would be about 15-20c/kWh
Great I/V with Jane Hunter, Thank you.
YAY!!! A Robert Rant!!! I live for these!
Except when he's wrong... There is no Greens /ALP coalition and the Greens do NOT support this tax
Hold on a sec. As far as I knew the only Labor/Greens coalition was the ACT Government, and that Victoria was a majority Labor Government. I don't live in Victoria, but I am pretty sure I am right.
Correct, there is no Greens /ALP coalition and the Greens do NOT support this tax
Great to see your passion Robert, well said, try not to burst a blood vessel!
So glad to see all this positive Australian specific news
Keen to own my first affordable electric car one day soon :)
Hilarious. Give it 25 years and they might catch up.
@@jep1912 we’re definitely behind the curve but catching up slowly. Lots more options now, charging infrastructures getting better and huge amounts of houses can charge off solar.
@@jep1912 $48k for a BYD Atto 3. What were you saying trollbot?
I'm also waiting for a real affordable EV, one that is on par for price with ICE vehicles or at most only 10% more. That will be the "Game changer". Also waiting for an EV that can tow while having a long range suitable for the big lap of Oz.
@@nicynu6202 ICE vehicles cost more to run so EVs are already competitive for high km/year users.
That holiday is doing you the world of good keep it up!!!
This was a great video Thank you Robert , i love the Instavolt Tritium Chargers even though they are a little expensive but as most of my charging is done from home i dont mind paying for the reliability of them .i try to plan my stops on long trips using them.
I can see that oneday when petrol stations are are closing down and replaced with chargers they could all be plug and pay as they use the shop to make money , you could plug in to a charger and pay at the till with cash or a bank card just like petrol , they ask you what number charger you are on ,they can see how much you owe you pay and then the can press a release button to let you drive off . oneday we wont need to plan a route as every village will have charging station .
Nice to see the Viking on show, good idea for regional reporting.
Agreed. Curious to know, however, if anybody else noticed that the car he highlighted (09:00:00) as being an Oro Funky Cat appears to be a Nissan Juke...
The Greens in victoria are not in coalition. They do not support those laws.
I hope you'll speak to Saul Griffith too while you're here.
I think I saw him on the schedule for the FCL panels...
I have a ev in Victoria and I don't care much for the tax, it is still cheaper than an ice vehicle
Ah man, that's good to know and well done you for seeing that and going EV regardless. I'm a Brit and I was doing a Robert rant on behalf of you Victorians! 👍👏
They do give you $3000 towards your EV and $100 off Annual registration.👍🏽🇦🇺
My next car will be…an informed and entertained choice by via the Fully Charged show. What a generous service to humanity! Thank you, gracias, and merci.
Thank you for interviewing the delightful Jane Hunter from Tritium. 👍
It's refreshing to have an Australian talking about the EV future & a company making positive moves.
I did note that she drives a Model 3 Tesla which only takes minutes to charge to 80%, which is the way to go, so thumbs up there. 👍
She didn't mention the level of charge it was at the time, but if I was her, it wouldn't matter because I'd charge at work too. 😉
As for the kudos handed to Tesla, is there public information on the generations & ratings of their Australian SuperChager network? That would make interesting reading.
Just put this show back on my list. Now that only EVs are allowed as company cars in Belgium I guess it’s time to stay up-to-date on the matter.
Good to see change happening. Keep an eye on the bus world, Elliot Richards, Some exciting things happening from the UK-Australia
Loved the segment with Jane from tritium, well informative and easy to understand ❤
Thanks for having Jane from Tritium on. I might have to give there chargers another try. I had a very bad experience in southern California where the charger would not stop charging and the software was trying to reboot. I tried to stop the charge at 80% and could not get it to stop. Finally at 99% I was able to break the latch to get the connector off the car. The charger put out full power from 80% to 99%. I'm lucky the car did not catch fire. When I talked to Tritium US tech support they could only see that the charger was "off line". Tech support estimated that the issue was software. They should be able to design the chargers to work at constantly charging car after car for five years without maintenance and minimal software updates.
I don't actually have a problem with a distance based tax based on a combination of vehicle weight and emissions. Ideally with that money ringfenced to road maintenance and health.
But to do one that only applies to the lowest emission vehicles just because they're heavier per footprint without applying a similar tax - ideally a higher one - to the element that affects human health is pure money Vs humans.
I am a Victorian, and can't understand the stubbornness of the Victorian Government on this issue - it is very clunky, awkward policy. Methinks Victorian Treasury is the driver of this. Hoping the High Court wipes it out.
Rupert is an American citizen !!! We have disowned him in OZ and we NEVER want him back !
No we haven't he owns more media than anyone else in the land. He sadly is not disowned. He is an American because they wouldn't accept him having so much media ownership without him being an American. But he can have even more media ownership as a percentage here and not be an Australian. Who's the stupid country?
Fantastic!! Thank you.
I have to say "Tritium" is an interesting choice of name for a brand. Named after something that has a 50% chance of breaking down within 12 years.
Not to mention that it emits radiation when it breaks down. It's also used in ironsights on pistols for shooting in the dark.
And (used to be) a lighting option on Suunto sighting compasses/clinos, for use underground/at night. I don't think they are allowed to do it any more. And it was kind of annoying as it steadily got dingier as the device got older. The point being that it was a non-magnetic light, so easy to fit to a compass.
But a 25% chance of being fine for 24 years ⚡️👍🏽😆
Living in Canada, I could understand some province like Alberta taxing EVs like Victoria but they don’t. For Victoria to do this without an oil and gas industry to support is beyond comprehension.
Victoria have oil in the Bass Strait run by a large fossil fuel company called Woodside who have tentacles around most Australian politicians
Unfortunately the only place where there is a Labor/Greens coalition is the ACT and unsurprisingly they are way further ahead in climate targets than any other state or territory. The whole reason Victoria has this regressive tax is because Labor is a majority government
And yet while some their other enviro policies are terrible, the NSW Liberal Govt has provided the most funding for chargers (both absolute and per capita) by a long way, as well as other benefits like using T2/T3 lanes and electrifying government fleets
Unfortunately, we don't have good choices for parties to govern us here in OZ. We have a choice of crooked paid-for morons and the slightly less paid-for morons and then there are the greens that voted against having a carbon price! Politicians are nearly as bad as journalists! I only vote to try and keep the worst out of office I can't vote for a party! Time for a rebuild of our democracy, root and branch! I would like to build a prison just for politicians. None go to gaol/jail here. They break the law but some how don't pay for their crimes.
The Aussie taxpayers have spent billions on tropical island accommodation for refugees. It would certainly be appropriate to send the politicians there for a decade or two. Save on their ridiculous pension plan.🤔
@@malcolmrickarby2313 Sounds good to me! If only we could.
What a great guest. Thank you.
Love the rant & I hope the VIC’s were listening! See you in Sydney 🫶
Except for the glaring mistake... There is no Greens /ALP coalition and the Greens do NOT support this tax
I think you need Sam involved more. The Victorian state government it NOT a coalition between Labor & The Greens, they are separate parties. Also, when you talked about the neighbours of Victoria, you showed a clip of Queensland. Love your channel, but attention to detail please :-p
Hi, I love fully charged and The Electric Viking I am subscribed to both channels. I agree with you about the electric car tax, I have an MG ZS EV, and yes paying it is a bit of a faff. However, it's only once a year and isn't that arduous. I think it's a bit unfair though to have a go at the Victorian government and make out that they are in the pocket of the fossil fuel industry, without mentioning that they have been actively closing Coal powered power stations, pushing and discounting solar technology to households, providing free heat pump hot water systems to Victorians (I know I got one), have pushed and installed huge wind farms and installed several large battery installations. All of which were heavily criticized by the previous Liberal coalition government and other Liberal states around Australia.
So yeah, the EV tax is Crap. But it's just one part of the overall story.
Victorian Labor govern in their own right as others have echoed. They are not in any way shape or form in coalition with the Greens. The Greens oppose the EV tax and campaigned against it at the recent Victorian election.
Victorian government charges EVs and Plug in hybrids for every kilometre travelled, the most insulting part is that the majority of our roads are in a disgusting state. Yes you do have to take a photo of your odometer and if you don’t send it in they will deregisiter your car, as far as I am concerned the ALP here in Victoria is a bloody joke. They spend enormous amounts of money on not needed rail, road tunnels etc in Melbourne and bugger all outside in rural Victoria. In rural Victoria EV sales are growing and we deserve decent roads as well as decent EV charging options not just Melbourne
Chris just finished up high court challenge to the tax. Should get a verdict in few months. Other states have dropped up coming ev road use tax as a result. At least vline tickets by locked to under $10 come months end
This is an unacceptable breach of privacy. I’m more than happy to pay road tax on my Tesla (here in UK). I paid a lot for it, and realise it’s wearing out the roads. Like the dystopian 15 Minute Cities being ‘installed’ in Oxford, and I assume London soon, with ANPR cameras everywhere, this is all about tracking and milking us for money. No freedom with the WEFs horrific vision.
When growing up in NZ, for our diesel truck we had to supply our odometer reading on a regular basis to pay for our road usage tax. The road tax was built into the costs of petrol but not diesel. Could see how the same logic could be applied to electric cars as they too use roads and need to pay for upkeep too.
Man if Tritium chargers are the ones that work, the others must be shocking 😋
There seems to be a difference between UK and aus. Never had a problem with them here.
@@samuelprice538 they're shocking in AU. busted all over Moe, Morwell, Merri-Bek, Sale etc.
Yep, in Australia they not only break a lot, but are offline for months. May be the operator that’s the problem, but Tritium’s name is loud and proud in people’s faces and cop the blame.
Taking the AC out of the car and only having DC fast charging? That would rule out home charging would it not? Solar at home is where this change to EV has its biggest attraction to buyers.
@@BreakingWildGaming Home-solar produces DC directly, you could theoretically plug that straight into your car with no conversion at all, even if your Solar inverter has exploded.
But i think the idea for home-charging in those "DC only" cars is that the AC/DC conversion gubbins are stored on the wall AT YOUR HOME.
God - lots of hate for the Electric Viking in the comments. I'm a fan - of course he's opinionated, but he's usually right, and he's going through a nightmare of a time just now. I'm excited he's joining up with Fully Charged. Nobody's perfect, but please, if in doubt, be kind..
Can you name 10 things he, the viking has got right at the time of the announcement? All his videos are just repacked news someone else has already posted. He doesn't even own an EV now.
Great to see the Electric Viking getting a feature. Looking forward to Fully Charged in Harrogate!
Same story in South Africa, EVs are taxed to a point that the supposed to be affordable mini cooper SE is now on par with BMW luxury models by price.
I also hope tritium go from strength to strength , but it is all about reliability . I see and hear about chargers being broken for weeks on end , this is where anxiety comes in for traveling . they must be maintained as it is a vital link in the chain for ev adoption , when is the last time any one drove an ice vehicle into a petrol station and worried about the pumps not working, I know it has never happened to me in over 35 years of driving.
I know Tritium has a good reputation overseas, but in Australia they’ve been dragged through the mud by operators who let their faulty chargers stay broken for months and even years. And even when fixed, are broken again soon after. It’s probably also exacerbated by the fact that Tritium operators only ever put in one or two chargers per site, so they get absolutely hammered and are in almost constant use, leading to them breaking down.
Well thank you Jane I had no idea that Instavolt chargers, (the ones I use in teh UK on long trips 90% of the time) are made by your company Tritium, what a wonderful surprise! Well done and keep up the good work, loved the story behind your company too!!
Got to feel sorry for the guy in the news the other day that was touring Tasmania in his Phev. It only had 30km range in electric and now he is paying for petrol tax and the ev tax on every km he drives. Madness.
Great that Jane Hunter made the switch from Boeing to Tritium as seems a very competent Exec leading a company with a product in a sweet spot of history....the once in a generation change to electric mobility.
Timely she mentioned charger maintenance agreements, a key subject in my latest EV video on charger reliability. 👍🔋⚡
Really informative segment with Jane Hunter 👏👏
2:50 it’s a tax of 2.6 cents per km.That around $505 a year for the average driver. I don’t know what the situation is but even in the U.S. they are researching taxing per mile given the roads have to be funded and traditional it’s paid when one buys the fuel.
And the roads are constructed from a waste product of oil refining so it will dry up soon.🤔
@@malcolmrickarby2313 this won’t change given there is a demand for the material. The cost structure might change and concrete may be more viable.
Just a correction on the (ridiculous, regressive) Victorian EV tax - it wasn't supported by the Greens. The Greens aren't in coalition with Labor (in Victoria, anyway)... that bill passed the upper house with support of other crossbenchers like the Animal Justice Party and the Reason Party. Hopefully the High Court challenge will mean this terrible hamfisted policy will be overturned...
I don't NEED a fast charger. I need an economical, programable garage charger with a cable that can't be unplugged or stolen.
I’m watching the stand against vic Ev tax closely. Im about to make the jump to an EV it won’t stop us but will delay our change over. The politicians running our state in vic just don’t get it …….. keep up the good work Robert
The sad thing for Tritium is that the providers who use them really dont have any solid maintenance programs. The result of this is that Tritium gets a poor reputation.
in Ohio we pay 100.00 dollars over gas car for yearly license fee, is to pay for road maintance
The new term for ICE vehicles: toxic fart boxes
Robert
Great to have you in Australia but, please be careful with the local politics. It is essential to get things absolutely right otherwise the credibility of your show will be questioned
Australia has 6 states and 2 territories each with their own state govt
Victoria currently has a majority Labor government that is not in coalition with the Greens as you have incorrectly stated in your video. A correction is in order as The Greens do not support a tax on EVs.
All the very best for you and your team during your stay in Australia!
Another great video :-) We'll see you in Sydney next weekend.
I am not against a tax on EVs as long as it is functionally equivalent to the fuel tax. By that, I mean for every gallon equivalent of electricity you use the tax is the same as it is for a gallon of gasoline or diesel. This could be in liters, of course.
Thank you for the rant! Perfectly said
Except for the glaring mistake... There is no Greens /ALP coalition and the Greens do NOT support this tax
22:20 this is really interesting. Maybe you should do an episode about the technology inside the chargers?
Oooh I bet Rosie would do a good job of that.
What!! The!! What!!
Almost 1,000,000 can't wait :))
I love these rants! Love your work!
12:00 Brilliant ad!
Love the viking.
I love the E308, really cool looking little car.
Got my tickets for Fully Charged Live.
OMG, I just love your rants! Careful of those Victorian Gulags mate. :)
Don’t worry. I think that they can find him a warm beer to make him feel better.
Rant is great, except for the glaring mistake... There is no Greens /ALP coalition and the Greens do NOT support this tax
Cathartic Robert rants, always a great moment!
I love to hear the real Robert.
Gods, the Electric Bludger makes my teeth itch. Thank heavens for chapter marks.
In Oregon with the federal government and the state government incentives you can get $15,000 US off the price of a new EV. In Victoria it's " What's all this? Someone trying to cheat on petrol GST? Tax it to death."
except its totally ALP and not the greens behind it. The greens are happy for the rego to be road usage based for all cars in the future but defiintely not discriminatory to dissuade takeup of electric vehicles which is what Tim Pallas and Down Andrews ALP labor party have done with what is happening now.
Literally in the ACT (other territory/state) they are giving us 2 free years of registration for EVs
See you in a week team!
Can't wait!
Such a great interview with Jane. Refreshing to see the enthusiasm and dedication to better the hot mess that is now the charging infrastructure. One could have better hopes for the future 🙂
Still, it'll be many years to see this kind of changes in many countries, unless there is some legal ground to forcing networks to implement or change the existing chargers so that they support plug and charge, asap
22:16 she says Tesla's charging system is proprietary and if they want it to be universal "they've got some work to do". Maybe being way down in Australia, she hasn't heard/seen the news. Tesla has developed a charger retrofit that incorporates a universal connector and has the software to charge any electric car. These are already being deployed in Europe and beginning in the USA. Thus Tesla superchargers will be available to all EVs. Tritium better have some serious $$$$ for expansion if they wish to compete with Tesla.
Yeah - for someone who is in the industry, she should know that Tesla use CCS2 in Europe, Australia, New Zealand (actually most of the countries they operate in) - the same plug as other EVs - and they've been offering charging to non-Teslas for over a year. Perhaps she was trying to talk them down, hoping that people would hear a myth about Tesla and just believe it (I mean, it works) but Fully Charged viewers are better informed than that.
Awesome you guys
The Labour government in New Zealand are also introducing Road User Charge for EVs in April next year. It's coming for all EV owners around the world, the question is, is there enough momentum? Diesel vehicles in both Australia and New Zealand already pay RUC because duty is not collected at the pump for diesel.
The fossil fools are as relentless as they are greedy and selfish. If their gov't puppets insist on charging a fee per kilometer driven, do it for ALL vehicles -no matter the drivetrain. And they should also include in the calculation the weight of the vehicle. I really enjoyed the conversation with Jane Hunter: very informative!
The petrol excise federal road usage tax is paid per litre and averages out for a car at about $400 per year, the EV levy average is expected to be $200 per year. And the heavier the vehicle the more fuel you need.
All ice cars pay a road tax with fuel tax ,EVs don't hence the road tax ,you will pay for roads the same as anybody else and after you drive your EV for at least 100,000 miles your carbon footprint will be the same as a diesel car ,your EV has already produced 30 tons of green house gas on pickup an iCE car about 5 ,and good luck with your power prices into the future
@@gremlinfishing4286 Of course. That's why ALL vehicles should pay their road tax via mileage and weight with their yearly registration -rather than ICE cars paying at the pump. As for your carbon footprint claims, they are WAY off. According to EPA data, a Chevy Cruze diesel emits 294 grams of GHG from its tailpipe and 44 grams upstream for every mile driven. An Ioniq 5 EV emits 140 grams upstream per mile. Where in the world do you get such exaggerations?
To be fair to Victoria, a distance-based road-use tax is not that unreasonable. There is effectively one already for ICE vehicles because fuel use is highly correlated with distance (that one even has an efficiency bonus built-in). We are all going to get road-use taxes of some sort eventually, and it is better for them to be usage based than flat rate. You could argue that they should be paid for out of general taxation like other public transport services, but most transport systems also have some fraction of user-payments too (trains, buses, planes) otherwise it's a heavy burden for the non-users. I think it's fair for vehicles to pay some kind of axle-weight/distance-related charge, as that's where most of the road-wear comes from. It's too early of course when the penetration of the EV fleet is 0.5%, but it will have to happen sometime, and it's easier to introduce when there aren't that many users to complain. They should have applied it to all vehicles of course (and maybe reduced the fuel tax a bit too if they want it cost-neutral for ICE).
So much hyperbole about having to pay $200 per year for road usage compared to $400 per year for road usage in an ICE car. No, Victoria has not been taken over by the fossil fuel industry. My daughter just got $4000 off a home battery courtesy of the Victorian Govt and there are EV rebates too.
I am coming up for the Fully Charged show and intend to get an EV by the end of the year (home is already all electric) and the Victorian road usage levy is of zero concern to my EV purchase, happy to contribute my $200 per year. But to be clear this bagging of the Victorian Govt over $200 a year road usage contribution is really incredible as was the "report" that the EV reps came out with at the time that said this would reduce demand by 50%. Creating a mountain out of a molehill indeed.
Love the rant about Victoria/Murdoch
Excellent rant, yes, except for the glaring mistake... There is no Greens /ALP coalition and the Greens do NOT support this tax
Although slightly off subject, I do feel that there is not enough attention being paid to, nor promoted about the huge advantages that bi-directional EV charging will achieve, and help us in the near future.
Not only in substantial cost saving to us the consumers (due to the upcoming multi tariff smart meters), but of course also helping to smooth out the grid peaks and troughs for electricity suppliers, which 'should' lead to less expensive electricity tariffs overall (though I'm not going to hold my breath on that one).
The Victorian Labor Party has a low per kilometre tax of 2.5cents put in WITH a registration discount for EV owners. The tax is tiny, but if not integrated well into any easy collection can leave a big annual bill. If this element of the bill was amended it would be more acceptable. I agree with challenging it, it is also particularly obserd that it applied outside Victoria. I spoke to a Tesla driver who travels between Canberra and Melbourne, his insurance is clearly of the Australian Capital Territory (ACT).
Victorian Labor are rolling out election buses, and so on also. If this tax was 1. Federal, 2. Connected at charging station or in partnership with car manufacturers apps, this would be better. I AGREE that it can wait a little to incentivises buying up, but I would be just as happy if it could be deducted weekly as it would be very affordable
The Victorian Labor Government is also undoing the energy privatisation to invest as a majority shareholder in order to drive the energy transition to electric. This was opposed by the Victorian Liberal Party
The Greens are not in a coalition with Labor, Labor governs a majority government.
Great the hear some Aussie EV news, well done. Unfortunately it appears that FCS’s version of Oz starts and ends at the WA/SA border. The WA govt. has introduced a few EV friendly initiatives worth mentioning but strangely absent on your show.
Lots of states/territories are doing interesting things with EVs and renewables. They're not specifically singling out WA.
Great episode. Jane spoke so well. The Victorian policy is absolute garbage and hopefully the high court can do something towards repealing it.
This is your best show ever. I don't watch much, but EV charging is the most important factor at this stage of convincing the public to move to EV's. I have a model Y and 3 here in the US. Just so you understand my perspective. Energy is much cheaper in the US than most of the rest of the world. Some states are approaching European levels of cost, but most are really dirt cheap. My state is cheap. So home charging for 98% or more of my charging is very cost effective. Although dirt is getting expensive. Tire wear and costs are a major area for discussion. What are best practices for tire longevity?
Ah Tritium the word in unreliability as shown by Bjorn and many EV drivers globally. I really hope you guys make it to a million by the time FCL in Sydney or maybe even during the show, crack the Champagne Bobby & Dan!! :)
The WA state government is implementing a road user charge as well, using the same argument that there is no fuel tax being collected to maintain the roads. However fuel excise is collected by the federal government. Total rort. I would suggest that fuel excise be dropped entirely and for all vehicles to pay a road user charge, but that means heavy emitting cars would be charged the same as economical ones. And the chances of a carbon charge being accepted is pretty slim😑
Buggered if I know...
Tritium chargers are very unreliable here in Australia. The Queensland govt fast charger network (QESH) uses only Tritium chargers and many of them are broken and unusable for months at a time. This causes massive problems when doing a road trip through regional Queensland.
The Tritium RTM50 in Cairns lost all its coolant two weeks ago. Well, green liquid was leaking out the front. Ever since then it won't maintain a charging session beyond a few minutes and the speed drops rapidly. Tritium could have told Yurika if their software was any good. Yurika seem to think it's an 'intermittent issue affecting charging'. Ugh.
@@PCLoadLetter you have my sympathy Peter. I understand how frustrating this is when public infrastructure that you rely on, lets you down. I recently rang the transport minister's office and spoke to an advisor on the QESH, saying how unreliable the chargers are, plus that 50% of charger plugs are Chademo, despite EVs with a Chademo plug only being less than 10% of all EVs (I recently stopped at the largest QESH charger station and EVs were queued up to use the three CCS2 plugs, while nobody was using the three Chademo plugs).
@@mspalmboy - (1) most chargers can only use one plug at a time. (2) you can get CHAdeMO to CCS2 adaptors if it's that important to you.
@@malcolmstreet1 the new QESH fast chargers which I refer to all have dual plug concurrent charging.
Love your rants :)
Would be better if he got the facts right though... There is no Greens /ALP coalition and the Greens do NOT support this tax
Another great episode. Amused that Robert was a lot less ranty in an anechoic chamber, but I’m sure that had more to do with the company.
Great to hear from Tritium and to see some units are still being made in Australia.
4:57 spot on mate 🤣
Tesla also use liquid-cooled cables on their V3 and V4 chargers.
Yes I was surprised she didn't know that.
@@beyondzeroemissions or pretender not to...
Tritium might have been the first to use liquid-cooled cables.
With that said, I prefer Tesla's cable, its a lot thinner and lighter.
Cheers for the video guys 😎 👌