This should be episode 1 of a continuing series! Sandy and Robert are the pulse of automotive journalism, engineering communication, in-depth reviews with humor and good 'ol fashion hard work. What a dynamic duo! What a gift to social media and consumer understanding ...👏❤️👍
What I like most about Munro is that he doesn't let nostalgia blind him to the current future of the automotive industry. Not many people with his years of experience in the auto industry are able to pivot. Especially in Japan.
As Munro said on other videos, he saw in the auto industry who got promoted; those who said no, those who said it can't be done - prioritising short term profit and end up putting the car brand in crisis 5 to 15 years later.
@@WHALEx3 There is a reason some countries get loads of snow dumped on them and you don't hear about it in the news: large vehicles. If I could drive a small EV, low to the road, I would. But, with deer and moose and snow to plow through for 4 months of the year, a 4WD vehicle with good ground clearance is preferred.
In my opinion, any function you may need to activate/deactivate whilst driving should be a physical button/switch that you can find and press without looking for it. Which means not touch sensitive, or touch screen. Things like windscreen wipers and HVAC settings shouldn't be in a screen menu. That's asking for trouble.
Might be nice to have a button/switch within easy reach of your fingers without moving your arm, that activates a voice command system. Kind of creepy to have it always listening, but very handy and very capable for a multitude of functions.
@@nooneyouknow7036 but by the time you have pressed that button, enunciated your command (hoping you got understood), command been processed by the computer and an action is initiated, it might be too late/too slow. Whereas click a physical button, or flick a paddle, and done. 😎
I'm a huge nerd for futurism and I still have to agree with this. These things are meant to be driven by humans and humans find things with touch and with sight. If you're using sight, you're not driving. This is irresponsible.
Ummm, you guys do know that you can put a Tesla windshield wipers on auto right? If it feels drops of rain it goes on. Do any of you actually drive Teslas?
This lady has been driving Teslas and other EVs for years. I hear lots of whining here. Teslas are the easiest vehicles to drive. I love the screen and would hate buttons or paddles. Please!
I live in Michigan and have known about Sandy for several years and subscribe to his you tube channel. The guy is an absolute wealth of information, he pulls no punches and is not afraid to tell the truth however unpleasant. He has an engineer's mind and heart. Go Sandy!!
Interesting, Sandy is the first automotive pundit I've ever seen who explicitly says that people should get rid of buttons. Everyone else (including me) seems to be screaming for buttons to come back!
I just had a brilliant idea - my first in 74 years. How about Tesla adding a couple of buttons - and here it comes - make them fully programmable. If you want a heater control, you got it. If you want a seat heater button, you got it. If you want to automate the fart sound, you got it. You don't want no stinking buttons - ignore them. Just a thought. Just make the programming really really simple. Pick a function on the control screen, hold it down a couple of seconds and get prompted for which button to perform that function.
BMW already had that idea, Mike. They have had bank of programmable buttons in their cars for years. Even my Audi has a single programmable button on the steering wheel.
@@gormauslander Tesla needs to get unweird about user controls. They need to give Elon the boot. He's a net negative now, and I have a feeling he's driving some of the idiotic design decisions like the yoke and stalk delete.
The one BIG argument I hear from folks is “yeah but what do you do if you run out of electricity? If you run out of gas, you just walk to one of the many gas stations and buy gas, rent a gas container, come back and fuel up.” True… BUT… if every BEV could send power out as well as in, EVERY BEV becomes a quick hand out of your trouble. They just need to put a few KWH in you car and you can get to a charger, be it home or DC Fast charging.
Also - electricity is available EVERYWHERE. If you actually run out on the road, it's because you're not paying attention or you're making stupid decisions. Gasoline is only available at gas stations, but EVERWHERE has a plug. Also you could, if you wanted to go offroad, get some solar panels and put together an off-grid charging package so you could charge your vehicle up on the sun and never need to plug into the grid. You can't do that with gas!
@@ColinFox Electricity really isn't available 'EVERYWHERE'. Have you tried going into the countryside or up a mountain, out on a lake/the sea? Or just countries with no grid outside major urban areas, then there isn't even much electricity in villages, although that's improving with solar. But even in the developed world the vast majority of it is not next to power outlets, and a lot of power is only available at quite slow rates from a car-charging POV (a few kW). Even if you restrict that to 'everywhere with a road', it's still not true. Most of most roads in the UK do not have accessible power. There _might_ be a buried or overhead cable somewhere nearby - there often isn't.
Ask those same people why if gas is so easy to find&fill? Does the #1 roadside assistance roll out stay for a motorist running out of gas. 🤔 If gas is everywhere and we have over 110,000+fueling station's here in the U.S. alone. Why do so many people just run out. 😂
@@xxwookey every building you visit has electricity hence you can charge. The examples you give would be the same drawbacks for ICE. In fact electricity is required to pump gas so if there’s no electricity for miles an ICE vehicle isn’t doing any better
A lot of people just want well made electric cars at affordable prices a long the lines of the mg4. Prices over £30k - €35k are beyond the affordability of a lot of people expecially nowadays with the huge rise in inflation.
And don't forget the huge increase in electricity prices in the UK , the HIGHEST in the world, gotta pay those shareholders , right? Torys can destroy ANY industry.
It's a little bit philosophy too, spending so much on a vehicle doesn't make sense to me, whether I can afford it or not. For a lot of people above subsistence, affordability really means priority.
Yes, I really do worry about the 2030 new ICE car ban if all/most EVs are big and expensive. Smaller and cheaper EVs could persuade the anti-EV mob to 'see the light', stop all the 'EVs are evil' mindset nonsense and get on board a better form of personal transport.
@@DavidPlayfair No manual transmission = no buy. I won't own an EV until they have a manual transmission and clutch available and I cant tell the difference between it and a gasoline powered car. I am a purist. It also has to be convertible and RWD.... preferably Mazda Miata size.
Thank you Sandy for all that you do for our community! I've got my eye on the ID. Buzz from Volkswagen. ❤ Matt Ferrell just did an excellent review for wood batteries and talks about the company Sandy mentioned in Finland. Thank you Robert!
Although most of us current EVers don't mind the minimalist approach Tesla has taken, I think a lot of people we're trying to sway towards EVs would actually prefer the more familiar (and arguably safer) button/switch approach for commonly accessed functions. Forgoing the speedometer display above the steering wheel for the Model 3 and Y was, I believe, going a bit too far in that area. Luckily the third party market has stepped up and offered several upgrades for that.
Speaking about Tesla particularly about not having physical buttons. I wonder why people neglect to mention that the voice commands work so well and can control almost everything. What a great conversation. Could listen to Sandy for hours!
That's a redundancy that goes in the other/wrong direction. Features grab attention sure, but voice command isn't proven. We're already seeing 10 year old cars with digital features causing electrical faults. That's why people like buttons. Redundancy, simplicity and less driver distraction.
I do wonder why no one mentions voice commands because they work very well for me. In fact, I think that is one of the main reasons for not having buttons in the car.
I have voice commands in my car, both via the MMI (Audi) and wireless Carplay (Siri). It is useful for accessing functions only available via the touchscreen, but I never use it in place of the physical buttons because the latter are so much faster. (I can press a button faster than I can talk. And I can also do it without interrupting a conversation with a passenger.)
With the thumbnail mentioning 1000 mile range, and under $27K, I fully expected them to mention APTERA that will have precisely those parameters! Especially since it was the main event at their fully charged show in San Diego this year with Sandy as a co-presenter! 🤷♂️
Well not initially, their launch model will be 400, which is still higher than most anything currently out there, but the 1000 is their intended long term goal, and is certainly the most capable of obtaining it.
Interesting pairing, a little bit of Ebony and Ivory. Great to hear Sandy speak non-denominationally, thought he was going to mention Aptera in the efficiency discussion.
Tesla doesn't do bi-directional charging because they don't want to be on the hook for the degradation of the battery. Cars batteries are covered by warranties based on miles/kilometers. But a car doing V2G can do 7TWh of use without moving an inch. We need to switch the battery warranties to cover you for some set MWh value, so the use of the battery is covered, whether it's driving miles or cycling hundreds of times to power your house
That's not the reason at all. Tesla Power Wall would become obsolete. Why buy the power wall for an extra 10k when your new Model 3 already offers this service?
@@richardcorns8553 You want a battery collecting power (your solar?) During the.... Day? When is your car usually away from home? . *That's* why you use a powerwall. . (Duh)
My car can do V2L (MG ZS) and my next car (MG4) will also be able to do V2L (some people tried to pull 7kW without issue). It can be very useful in case of power outage. For me an EV must at least offer V2L.
@Roger Starkey No. To charge on my overnight tariff when electricity is quarter the cost. Then use the energy on the evening when energy is more expensive. Duh!
As a driver that 1st hit the road 53 years ago, having a pull down menu on a touch screen for near everything requires me to focus my attention on the screen to push a spot 1/4 the size of my finger nail. Recipe for driving distracted as a cell phone texting while rear ending someone at full speed.
You really think you don't look away from the road using "conventional" controls? I bet an eye tracker would prove you do. . How about a system where you press a button that's under your thumb and say (for instance) "temperature 21°" ? (Or 70+ other commands, each of which had a button or knob before)
@@rogerstarkey5390 For the most part a I can reach & activate buttons & toggles in my 2018 Honda Odyssey without taking my eyes off the road, important at my age as my vision & reaction time are not what the use to be. I took a Model Y for a test drive & didn’t mess with the display/controls as I didn’t want to risk curb rash or rear ending anyone. I still plan to pop for a Model Y in 2023 & suck it up & live with the touchscreen controls.
Regardless if it's a little difference or a big difference, a button will always be in the same place. There are too many functions to have a dedicated button for everything tho. A combination of dedicated buttons, configurable buttons and screens would be my choice.
The reason why Tesla is not doing V2G is because Tesla sells power walls. If you have more than one EV in your house, then that becomes a very large battery bank and the need for power walls is no longer needed.
12:43 because tesla already has powerwall, and they don't want to be selling power cars. Its the same thing as apple without headphone jacks, when they only sell wireless earbuds.
Assuming you have solar, you generate during the day. Where's your car battery during the day? Not connected to the solar. If every house has solar, will the grid need the power during the day? There will be excess. So, they will..... Store it? Then, sell it BACK to you in the evening/ overnight. 🤔 You'll get minimal benefit from that solar and minimum benefit from the car battery.
Don’t think density will be as suggested but likely to be two times more than today which will be enough to obliterate the need for ice vehicles of most descriptions and needs
@@dougowt Not if he thinks that a battery the size of a cell phone will give me a thousand miles of range. Maybe if the cell phone is made of plutonium...
I am (almost to the day) 1 Year into EV ownership and cant see myself going back to ice, the future is bright, and quiet and clean, it will, before too long, be unsociable to drive I.C.E cars much in the same way as smoking used to be cool and popular, now you feel like an outcast for smoking
I think Sandy is way off on capacitors being the future. He's also wrong about the 4680 cells being "dry", it's still a wet electrolyte but it all gets absorbed. The Dry Battery Electrode, (DBE), coating has nothing to do with the electrolyte or solid state.
Almost every time he started talking electrical systems he was showing that it's not his background - he seems a good manufacturing engineer but not even close to competent EE.
Sandy has forgotten more about the auto industry than most people will ever know. Absolute legend. Watch the video about his visit to the Gigapress factory in Italy, fascinating.
And the Qilin I have not heard of, but will be probably in the list that Robert mentioned: the endless list of breakthrough battery technologies of which 1 in 20 will find commercialisation.
Sandy Munro seems to mention quite a lot of inaccuracies in this discussion... 1) weight does NOT make a huge difference to efficiency - he does mention though that aero will make a FAR bigger impact 2) he also states that the electric F150 is great - yet that weighs 6500lb/3 tonnes (or 2000lbs more than a regular Super Cab or SuperCrew) - which contradicts his point above 3) induction charging it NOT faster than wired charging, it's also only about 70-80% as efficient as wired charging 4) he advocates for the removal of buttons - but there is emerging evidence that touchscreens are less safe (in cars) than physical buttons/dials/knobs etc
The Ford EV truck seems good with no cargo and moderate outside air temperature but when any weight is added and it gets cold outside its range plummets making it unusable for a work truck , Hoovies garage has some really good unbiased testing on it unlike many EV fanboy channels
I'm an retired EDS (Electrical Distribution System) Engineer, Take it from me it's very difficult to reduce the harness weight, the current trend is aluminium wire, but this presents durability issues because the aluminium cable expand and contract far more than the old copper wire, this causes issues with terminal crimping/retention..... The best way to reduce weight is to use Raychem 25 spec cable as used in F1 etc but this is a no-go for mass production cars because of the astronomical cost.
I thought the major issue for Tesla was the parallel high voltage and low voltage harnesses. before the Model Y came out they were talking about making just the high voltage harness with some sort of conversion module near whatever instrument needed low voltage.
Tesla's reluctance to do anything V2G is the single biggest reason I'm not considering one for my next EV. It's absolutely infuriating to me that Tesla is seeming to ignore this incredible capability.
I think their philosophy is that they'd rather use batteries made for "home storage" usage profiles rather than add wear and tear on an EV that's ten times the price. The chemistry they use in their EVs is different from the one they employ in their storage products, optimized for their respective use cases. Hopefully they still change their minds because I prefer having the option in en emergency anyway, even if there's some technical (and business) logic behind it. I'm assuming their Cybertruck line will have the ability to provide power in some fashion at least, because it would make more sense in that application, being a "work" truck.
It will undercut their Powerwall business which in the UK charges something like £8500 for 13.5kwh. Meanwhile you can get a £40k car with an 80kwh battery. Pro rata the Tesla battery is much more expensive than the car battery and with the car battery you get a car thrown in for no extra charge. Powerwalls are an absolute ripoff.
Buttons do several things that screens cannot -- move, have shape and texture, and provide tactile feedback. When screens can provide that sort of subtlety, then by all means stick everything on screens.
Buttons also work pretty well when your hands are dirty or wet, or when you're wearing thick gloves. Knobs let you make fine, precise adjustments to a range, without looking to see where you are on the slider.
I didn't particularly like having a computer screen facing me when we first got our Tesla, though it is quite easy and safe to navigate the touchscreen when you are willing to learn a new way of driving. Thanks for a great show, Robert and Sandy! Peace
He was correct about cars have the heating/cooling with buttons with the rest in center display! That is my happy medium in electric cars that needs to happen! The small chips shortage stumbled on correct answer to EV problem inside cars! Besides the near future and what china is using the LFP bAtteries need to be used more and more to this battery shortage! Not alll of us are race cars drivers!
THANKS ROBERT,SANDY ,🤗 for doing this, the first of many…we hope 👍 🙋♂️ I am pretty sure that ELON said…he tried it the earliest models, but no one used it… So how hard would be to restore it in the future 🤔💚💚💚
I think you nailed it. The fact that any EV (of just about _any_ size) with V2G capability can replace a lot of the use case for a home battery must be pretty awkward for Tesla.
Like their EVs, there is a huge backlog of Tesla Powerwalls. Powerwall demand is not a problem or concern - production is. Demand has outpaced production so much that Powerwall sales are restricted only to Tesla solar roof/panel installations. The real reason Tesla does not do V2G is cycle life and Tesla haters. Li-ion batteries have a limited cycle life -frequent charge/discharge cycles seriously degrade their capacity which directly translates into range. If Tesla battery packs started needing replacement after only 100K or 200K miles do your really think today's media would investigate or report excessive V2G usage? Or do you think the headlines would scream "Tesla batteries are failing!"? All other EV manufacturers will get a media pass. While the thought of an EV battery pack at ten times the capacity of a 7kWh Powerwall at less than twice the price is enticing there are major design and usage differences. At some point I expect the cycle life of LFP battery packs will be good enough and the Tesla haters debunked enough for Tesla to implement V2G for their EVs. 00K miles do your really think today's media would investigate or report excessive V2G usage? Or do you think the headlines would scream "Tesla batteries are failing!"? All other EV manufacturers will get a media pass. While the thought of an EV battery pack at ten times the capacity of a 7kWh Powerwall at less than twice the price is enticing there are major design and usage differences. At some point I expect the cycle life of LFP battery packs will be good enough and the Tesla haters debunked enough for Tesla to implement V2G for their EVs.
@@GntlTch The usage of a domestic energy storage battery is far less demanding than that of an EV traction battery. EV batteries should be able to do VTG and VTL in their stride and that is why manufacturers other than Tesla are embracing it.
Sandy, Saudi Arabia is not in the Sahara desert. The Sahara is restricted to North Africa only. It is separated from the Arabian desert by the Red Sea.
This one's for Sandy, I never have to rotate my tyres on my AWD EV (Tesla Model S) because the wear is totally even. Also I don't know of any 400kW ICE car that can be driven the way I drive mine and still get 50,000km on a set of tyres. Finally I suspect I'm going to get 5 times the break pad life if not more because I tend to use the brakes from 5kph down to zero 90% of the time in fact probably only 3 times in 4-5 days. I got my wife a model 3 and it has one pedal driving and I'd say that's going to be even less brake pad usage. I would also like to add that any nitwit that is trying to advocate for surcharges based on particulates created from tyres and brake pads (actually lower for EV's) must also advocate for removal of all fossil fuel subsidies across the board as well as adding a really healthy pollution surcharge for the entire fossil fuel supply chain. The annual health cost of JUST electricity production in the USA alone from fossil fuels is $886.5 billion. Australia's health costs JUST from coal production is 2.4billion. The list goes on. Yes let's talk about these costs, and make the companies pay like we did for tobacco companies.
Here is a stat you might like. 1/3 of all the mercury in the environment is due to man. And most of that is from burning fossil fuels, principally from burning coal. Mercury from coal stack emmissions, is washed into rivers, lakes and oceans, and enters the food chain via fish. This is all quoted from 8yr old US Oceanagraphic research papers I read.
In terms of not having to fuss with cords and plugs and payment, much faster to *initiate* a charge. After that, itll never be faster than a big fat wire.
gimme back all the physical buttons! anything you commonly need while driving should have a tactile button or knob big enough that you don't have to take time lining it up. no stupid menus that require focus being taken away from driving. and capacitive on steering wheels are soooooo dumb. you hit them accidentally more than on purpose.
Good luck. Really cracking voice commands for people with heavy regional dialects is still a long way off. And many of us just arent comfortable talking to a thing. 🤷
@@patreekotime4578 That's just a matter of incorporating a bit of AI that can learn an individual's speech characteristics. Think a training session when you get your first voice command car. The screen puts up a series of words - heater, radio, on, off, up, down, wiper, etd. - and has you read them a few times. It learns you. Next voice command car - that individual voice profile is transferred to your new car. Or a rental car. Or a car you borrow from a friend. It might be an over the air transfer or it might be stored in your phone.
Robert, great job. But please - for the love of god, learn how to use VOICE commands ; in you Model 3 - you can turn the heated seats on (my favorite: drivers seat 3 bacons), activate/turn off the fr/rear defrosters, changed the cabin temperature.
What did sandy mean by inductive charging being “faster” at 4:46 ? Specifically, how is wireless power transfer ever faster than an equivalent input wired connection?
The last thing we need to hear is that Saudi Arabia has everything we need in their deserts...!! The whole point of NOT burning fuel and running an EV is that we improve the environment and don't need to do business with Saudi Arabia
V2G was originally available on the Roadsters but according to Elon, stats from owners showed little utilization, and therefore he eliminated the feature in later Teslas, Model S and onward. The new NACS Tesla is trying to push is compatible with V2G and V2L as well so there are plans to make these features available, hopefully sooner than later.
I bought a used ev 2 yrs ago. that's the only option for low income buyers to afford evs. In fact perhaps you might consider doing a show on some folks who bought their evs on the cheap.
Thank you for a most informative episode and may I suggest that it becomes a quarterly broadcast. It worked brilliantly. On a personal note; I just have to live long enough to see some of these developments. Looking on the bright side I can take my last ride to the crematorium in a electric Hearse to be vaporized by a giant capacitor. Wife; what was that flash? Funeral director; That was your husband being reduced to his molecular components, 75% Scotch whiskey and 25% lead well he is Pb..........................................
Unfortunatly the 'graphite alternative` lignode might work well for stationary applications as it should be cheaper. However it's kWh per ton is one 5th that of graphite. So too heavy for vehicles.
I installed Powerwalls. I agree with you. I HATED selling them because I felt like those batteries belonged in a vehicle. Unfortunately none of the lower power density battery technologies more suitable for stationary battery packs have turned out to be less expensive than LiON. I'm still hoping for a home Flow battery you can put in your basement.
4:50 "Induction Charging, it's faster, it's DC..." DC Induction? Must be some kinda industry short-hand i'm not familiar with. Induction heating, charging, anything induction will always be AC (not DC). Closely related to an electrical transformer (which also used induction) - they quite literally REQUIRE AC to be able to work.
Sandy I am just waiting to receive a mg 4 long range, I believe you have looked at this, do you remember what you thought, I believe it's the best at the price.
Covered an enormous amount in a short time Robert. Well done to both of you. The most interesting one to me is efficiency. I've been banging on about how it's the most important metric for EVs next to range which, of course, is partly dependent on efficiency. The more distance you get out of a kWh the cheaper the EV gets to run, given identical charging speeds the less time you have to spend DC fast charging and potentially you can have a smaller battery, therefore less upfront cost.
When are you going to start asking on the Mastodons or Matrix Robert? Distributed social media is a much better long-term plan than dodgy corporations with capricious owners. But we have to make an effort to overcome the network effect.
Love seeing guys with hair the same color as me just killing it on RUclips… and you two are truly the cream of the crop. Got my ticket for the Fully Charged Live Show! Can’t wait to see you there Robert… but here’s your fair warning: if you turn down my request for a selfie, I’m going to throw a fit😊
Hi Robert, we would very much like you to interview Sam Evans. He has so much to say about EVs and currently he needs friends supporting him due to his wife's illness.
The key measurement on a vehicle - IMHO - is NOT range, its the time for the next mile after the tank is empty. The fill-up time, the find a 'gas station' and fillup and drive onwards. If you can crack that you're golden.
Pickups could be much more aero since only the back of it is the "truck" part that is functional (for working trucks). It's only sharing pieces with the ICE truck that keep the trucks looking the same as they have since the 1940's. Even the concept Cybertruck is better in the regard other than it wasn't designed for manufacturability. Sandy is right that induction charging would be the best way to go since most vehicles are parked 23 hours of every day. Level 2 is inexpensive and there could be a pad in every parking space.
and Sandy, How are you this sunny morning in Goonellabah on North Coast NSW? The Team and I have submitted a DA to a Lismore council on North Coast NSW end of Nov 2022: 1. 250 prefabricated XLam as CLT & SIPform passive house-certified homes. On the roofs of buildings, the Tractile, the excess electricity will be stored in the 28.8MW Tesla Batteries Farm. 2. The PV in total 934,370m2 - Tractile tiles 45,000m2 and Arctech Solar Tracking - Tesla PV panel 887,400m2 3. Bi-Charging of EV one per house and 12 charging stations in the shopping centre. 4. Micro-grid that connects to a community of 4800 residents 5. Landscaping the whole site, ensuring enough clearance for the surrounding bush and buildings. 6. We will be trailing the SoMax HTC process. 7. We will have a project at the end of 2024 that will be installed a long-range wireless power transfer. Emrod Tele-Energy Technology.
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck Yes - We will install another 1,000,000m2 Arctech Solar Tracking by 2030. The electricity produced will supply the whole of Lismore, with approx 40,000 residents. Some of the Teams and companies include. We are making Your Tube videos for each company: • SipForm™. • Tractile. • Direct Building Solution. • NB Consulting Engineers, • Green Product Certification. • XLam • Weathertex • Cupolex • Big Ass Fans • Arctech Solar Tracking • Tesla EV - PV - Powerwall. • Arcimoto. • Emrod Tele-Energy Technology • SoMax HTC We will employ over 234 consultants and local trades. So, if you live on North Coast NSW, we like to hear by the end of the year. We will be onsite in July 2023. We have a video on RUclips at the end of Nov 2022. Then two videos a month project finish the project in 2025. We will raise AU$500 million by the end of 2025 for the development. We have investors in the US and the Middle East. The Team and I will start Crowd Funding on Dec 2022. The Team and I have a Zoom meeting on the first Monday of the month. We will discuss Crowd Funding next meeting. The Team and I Fully Charged LIVE- ICC Sydney from 11th to 12th March 2023. I will be there in Sydney. We promoted the project on the film on stand team taking a project and future projects. Sustainable - Urban - Community - Homes Rethink - Reimagine - Reinvent - Disrupt
Sandy mentioned induction charging, energized roads that wirelessly charge vehicles driving on them. This technology is already in use in a modest, proof of concept stretch of road in Europe. Apparently, little energy is lost in wireless transmission. If this becomes the common way of charging when away from home, vehicles will need far smaller (lighter) battery packs, making each mile cheaper and putting lighter veicles on the road.
@@rogerphelps9939 , (a) do you have a link that can back up your assertion that induction charging is only 50% efficient? (b) Even if it’s true, the convenience of not having to plug cables into cars will win a lot of people over to the idea (in the same way as wireless charging of phones).
+1000 on engineering minds being needed, rather than MBA minds. This is about progress, innovations, finding solutions and not maximising profit and selling a product. Business people will strangle any real innovation, because R&D costs money, whilst repackaging and redesigning an existing product and making it *seem* like innovation is a nice and cheap way to sell supposedly "new" stuff for more money. Business is all about milking something for as much as it's worth and hiking the price by "adding value", i.e. adding tinsel and Blinkenlights.
The part about the Ford wiring harness weighing 100lbs more than the Tesla, reducing that down to Tesla weight will likely also reduce materials and costs, so it’s a triple win with every gram reduced in a car.
12:25 Sandy says car V2G is as simple as replacing circuit board diodes with semiconductors. Who knows for sure? 15:56 advances in slow-discharge capacitors could greatly reduce battery weight, especially combined with solid state battery.
I absolutely hate that Sandy thinks buttons are unneeded. I work in IT, am rather young, and owned a Model 3 for nearly 2 years, and having to use the touch screen all the time drove me crazy. I now have an EV that has physical buttons for important, often used functions, and it's such an improvement. And no, I don't think voice controls are a good excuse for poor UI.
Do you think you guys could do an in-depth video in the LeydenJar battery at some point? I've heard some great things about it and they won the innovation award at CES.
If all their rivals do it then they may have to do it in order to remain competitive. It's already a major selling point against them and that will only get worse as grids adapt to the presence of many EVs. "If you don't cannibalize yourself, someone else will."
We just bought a Chevy Bolt EUV that was in transit and will pick it up on Jan 2 2023. The whole deal from start to finish took 2 weeks. So supply must be getting better.
I hope in 20 - 25 years we will have not only the high capacity battery problem fixed, but the self driving vehicle problems too. It would mean so much to me and millions of seniors when we get to an age we can no longer drive.
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This should be episode 1 of a continuing series! Sandy and Robert are the pulse of automotive journalism, engineering communication, in-depth reviews with humor and good 'ol fashion hard work. What a dynamic duo! What a gift to social media and consumer understanding ...👏❤️👍
yes,yes,yes.
You SHOULD stick to what you know and stop telling the experts what to do. They did this before you ever thought of it.
@@paintedpony2935 don't be an ass, Richard made a suggestion, not a demand.
You mean for EV automotive ... ICE-oriented Big Auto don't want these two speaking for them.
What I like most about Munro is that he doesn't let nostalgia blind him to the current future of the automotive industry. Not many people with his years of experience in the auto industry are able to pivot. Especially in Japan.
As Munro said on other videos, he saw in the auto industry who got promoted; those who said no, those who said it can't be done - prioritising short term profit and end up putting the car brand in crisis 5 to 15 years later.
Japanese executives are in for a rude awakening
He lets current trends blind him instead. His favorite cars are an suv and a huge pick up
@@WHALEx3 unfortunately these are the most popular vehicles globally, not just with Sandy.
@@WHALEx3 There is a reason some countries get loads of snow dumped on them and you don't hear about it in the news: large vehicles. If I could drive a small EV, low to the road, I would. But, with deer and moose and snow to plow through for 4 months of the year, a 4WD vehicle with good ground clearance is preferred.
In my opinion, any function you may need to activate/deactivate whilst driving should be a physical button/switch that you can find and press without looking for it. Which means not touch sensitive, or touch screen. Things like windscreen wipers and HVAC settings shouldn't be in a screen menu. That's asking for trouble.
Might be nice to have a button/switch within easy reach of your fingers without moving your arm, that activates a voice command system. Kind of creepy to have it always listening, but very handy and very capable for a multitude of functions.
@@nooneyouknow7036 but by the time you have pressed that button, enunciated your command (hoping you got understood), command been processed by the computer and an action is initiated, it might be too late/too slow. Whereas click a physical button, or flick a paddle, and done. 😎
I'm a huge nerd for futurism and I still have to agree with this. These things are meant to be driven by humans and humans find things with touch and with sight. If you're using sight, you're not driving. This is irresponsible.
Ummm, you guys do know that you can put a Tesla windshield wipers on auto right? If it feels drops of rain it goes on. Do any of you actually drive Teslas?
This lady has been driving Teslas and other EVs for years. I hear lots of whining here. Teslas are the easiest vehicles to drive. I love the screen and would hate buttons or paddles. Please!
I live in Michigan and have known about Sandy for several years and subscribe to his you tube channel. The guy is an absolute wealth of information, he pulls no punches and is not afraid to tell the truth however unpleasant. He has an engineer's mind and heart. Go Sandy!!
Clearly he is no electrical engineer. Electrical engineering is what counts for EVs.
Sandy and Robert make an amazing duo of wise man when it come to EVs.
Imagine Sandy Munro and Nikki Gordon Bloomfield 🤤💭
@@toyotaprius79 Yeah, the two biggest tesla shills in the business. 🤮
Interesting, Sandy is the first automotive pundit I've ever seen who explicitly says that people should get rid of buttons. Everyone else (including me) seems to be screaming for buttons to come back!
He's a shill who should disclose his interests.
I just had a brilliant idea - my first in 74 years. How about Tesla adding a couple of buttons - and here it comes - make them fully programmable. If you want a heater control, you got it. If you want a seat heater button, you got it. If you want to automate the fart sound, you got it. You don't want no stinking buttons - ignore them. Just a thought. Just make the programming really really simple. Pick a function on the control screen, hold it down a couple of seconds and get prompted for which button to perform that function.
Look up S3XY buttons!
That is brilliant, but Tesla is very weird about user control and i don't think they'd bite
BMW already had that idea, Mike. They have had bank of programmable buttons in their cars for years. Even my Audi has a single programmable button on the steering wheel.
@@AdamCalow So they stole my idea before I had it!!! Damn Krauts.
@@gormauslander Tesla needs to get unweird about user controls. They need to give Elon the boot. He's a net negative now, and I have a feeling he's driving some of the idiotic design decisions like the yoke and stalk delete.
The one BIG argument I hear from folks is “yeah but what do you do if you run out of electricity? If you run out of gas, you just walk to one of the many gas stations and buy gas, rent a gas container, come back and fuel up.”
True… BUT… if every BEV could send power out as well as in, EVERY BEV becomes a quick hand out of your trouble. They just need to put a few KWH in you car and you can get to a charger, be it home or DC Fast charging.
Also - electricity is available EVERYWHERE. If you actually run out on the road, it's because you're not paying attention or you're making stupid decisions. Gasoline is only available at gas stations, but EVERWHERE has a plug. Also you could, if you wanted to go offroad, get some solar panels and put together an off-grid charging package so you could charge your vehicle up on the sun and never need to plug into the grid. You can't do that with gas!
@@ColinFox exactly
@@ColinFox Electricity really isn't available 'EVERYWHERE'. Have you tried going into the countryside or up a mountain, out on a lake/the sea? Or just countries with no grid outside major urban areas, then there isn't even much electricity in villages, although that's improving with solar. But even in the developed world the vast majority of it is not next to power outlets, and a lot of power is only available at quite slow rates from a car-charging POV (a few kW). Even if you restrict that to 'everywhere with a road', it's still not true. Most of most roads in the UK do not have accessible power. There _might_ be a buried or overhead cable somewhere nearby - there often isn't.
Ask those same people why if gas is so easy to find&fill? Does the #1 roadside assistance roll out stay for a motorist running out of gas. 🤔
If gas is everywhere and we have over 110,000+fueling station's here in the U.S. alone. Why do so many people just run out. 😂
@@xxwookey every building you visit has electricity hence you can charge. The examples you give would be the same drawbacks for ICE. In fact electricity is required to pump gas so if there’s no electricity for miles an ICE vehicle isn’t doing any better
I have a chevy volt with 140,000 miles and it's still on the original break pads.
Fully Charged is now Fully Grown !!!
Gratz, so impressive !
A lot of people just want well made electric cars at affordable prices a long the lines of the mg4. Prices over £30k - €35k are beyond the affordability of a lot of people expecially nowadays with the huge rise in inflation.
And don't forget the huge increase in electricity prices in the UK , the HIGHEST in the world, gotta pay those shareholders , right? Torys can destroy ANY industry.
It's a little bit philosophy too, spending so much on a vehicle doesn't make sense to me, whether I can afford it or not. For a lot of people above subsistence, affordability really means priority.
Yes, I really do worry about the 2030 new ICE car ban if all/most EVs are big and expensive.
Smaller and cheaper EVs could persuade the anti-EV mob to 'see the light', stop all the 'EVs are evil' mindset nonsense and get on board a better form of personal transport.
My current budget for a car is 1-2k.
@@DavidPlayfair No manual transmission = no buy. I won't own an EV until they have a manual transmission and clutch available and I cant tell the difference between it and a gasoline powered car. I am a purist. It also has to be convertible and RWD.... preferably Mazda Miata size.
Thank you Sandy for all that you do for our community!
I've got my eye on the ID. Buzz from Volkswagen. ❤
Matt Ferrell just did an excellent review for wood batteries and talks about the company Sandy mentioned in Finland.
Thank you Robert!
Seconded! You rock Sandy. You are easily one of the best things about the EV community.
What a boring overpriced vehicle
No such thing as "Volkswagon", did you perhaps mean Volkswagen. 🙂
Beware of VW till they get their software sorted out. Google it. Just passed on the id4.
@@Stambo59 Yes I did. ;)
Although most of us current EVers don't mind the minimalist approach Tesla has taken, I think a lot of people we're trying to sway towards EVs would actually prefer the more familiar (and arguably safer) button/switch approach for commonly accessed functions. Forgoing the speedometer display above the steering wheel for the Model 3 and Y was, I believe, going a bit too far in that area. Luckily the third party market has stepped up and offered several upgrades for that.
Speaking about Tesla particularly about not having physical buttons. I wonder why people neglect to mention that the voice commands work so well and can control almost everything. What a great conversation. Could listen to Sandy for hours!
That's a redundancy that goes in the other/wrong direction.
Features grab attention sure, but voice command isn't proven. We're already seeing 10 year old cars with digital features causing electrical faults.
That's why people like buttons. Redundancy, simplicity and less driver distraction.
Maybe safest, but voice command is annoying to me
I do wonder why no one mentions voice commands because they work very well for me. In fact, I think that is one of the main reasons for not having buttons in the car.
I have voice commands in my car, both via the MMI (Audi) and wireless Carplay (Siri). It is useful for accessing functions only available via the touchscreen, but I never use it in place of the physical buttons because the latter are so much faster. (I can press a button faster than I can talk. And I can also do it without interrupting a conversation with a passenger.)
@@AdamCalow also you can do shit with buttons while the music is pumping hard.
With the thumbnail mentioning 1000 mile range, and under $27K, I fully expected them to mention APTERA that will have precisely those parameters! Especially since it was the main event at their fully charged show in San Diego this year with Sandy as a co-presenter! 🤷♂️
No it won't.
Well not initially, their launch model will be 400, which is still higher than most anything currently out there, but the 1000 is their intended long term goal, and is certainly the most capable of obtaining it.
There was a lot of optimism there, which is fantastic! Thank You for putting out this, the most interesting episode that FC has done for ages
Interesting pairing, a little bit of Ebony and Ivory. Great to hear Sandy speak non-denominationally, thought he was going to mention Aptera in the efficiency discussion.
Tesla doesn't do bi-directional charging because they don't want to be on the hook for the degradation of the battery. Cars batteries are covered by warranties based on miles/kilometers. But a car doing V2G can do 7TWh of use without moving an inch. We need to switch the battery warranties to cover you for some set MWh value, so the use of the battery is covered, whether it's driving miles or cycling hundreds of times to power your house
That's not the reason at all. Tesla Power Wall would become obsolete. Why buy the power wall for an extra 10k when your new Model 3 already offers this service?
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You want a battery collecting power (your solar?) During the.... Day?
When is your car usually away from home?
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*That's* why you use a powerwall.
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(Duh)
My car can do V2L (MG ZS) and my next car (MG4) will also be able to do V2L (some people tried to pull 7kW without issue). It can be very useful in case of power outage.
For me an EV must at least offer V2L.
@Roger Starkey No. To charge on my overnight tariff when electricity is quarter the cost. Then use the energy on the evening when energy is more expensive. Duh!
Great to hear these guys together. Respective experts in their fields. 👍
As a driver that 1st hit the road 53 years ago, having a pull down menu on a touch screen for near everything requires me to focus my attention on the screen to push a spot 1/4 the size of my finger nail. Recipe for driving distracted as a cell phone texting while rear ending someone at full speed.
I'm 55 and love the Model 3!
You really think you don't look away from the road using "conventional" controls?
I bet an eye tracker would prove you do.
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How about a system where you press a button that's under your thumb and say (for instance) "temperature 21°" ? (Or 70+ other commands, each of which had a button or knob before)
@@rogerstarkey5390 For the most part a I can reach & activate buttons & toggles in my 2018 Honda Odyssey without taking my eyes off the road, important at my age as my vision & reaction time are not what the use to be. I took a Model Y for a test drive & didn’t mess with the display/controls as I didn’t want to risk curb rash or rear ending anyone. I still plan to pop for a Model Y in 2023 & suck it up & live with the touchscreen controls.
@@aussie2uGA Ouuu, I congratulate you on your Model 3. I will soon, I hope, have a Model Y in my garage.
Regardless if it's a little difference or a big difference, a button will always be in the same place.
There are too many functions to have a dedicated button for everything tho.
A combination of dedicated buttons, configurable buttons and screens would be my choice.
The reason why Tesla is not doing V2G is because Tesla sells power walls. If you have more than one EV in your house, then that becomes a very large battery bank and the need for power walls is no longer needed.
Concise ! I really enjoyed the info. Thank you. Would love to see a monthly or a weekly installment with Sandy !
Sandy didn't said anything about Aptera on the topic of Efficiency and 1000 miles Range vehicle. That's strange 😅
12:43 because tesla already has powerwall, and they don't want to be selling power cars. Its the same thing as apple without headphone jacks, when they only sell wireless earbuds.
Assuming you have solar, you generate during the day.
Where's your car battery during the day?
Not connected to the solar.
If every house has solar, will the grid need the power during the day?
There will be excess.
So, they will..... Store it?
Then, sell it BACK to you in the evening/ overnight.
🤔
You'll get minimal benefit from that solar and minimum benefit from the car battery.
Don’t think density will be as suggested but likely to be two times more than today which will be enough to obliterate the need for ice vehicles of most descriptions and needs
Sandy does know what he is talking about
@@dougowt Not if he thinks that a battery the size of a cell phone will give me a thousand miles of range. Maybe if the cell phone is made of plutonium...
@@incognitotorpedo42 that was a throw away remark Sandy made. But battery power density will be much better than doubling today’s limit.
Sure Tesla can cut prices, but they'd just end up with a decades long wait list if they did and scalpers would be fabulously wealthy.
This. This is why production capacity is important
This. This is why production capacity is important
A simpler cheaper, high volume build is needed.
One that is not luxury, no self-drive hardware equipment.
There are tons of alternatives on the market now - why does the Tesla have to be cheap?
Not with two factories ramping up and new ones being built. Plus the aren’t going to be the only ones producing EVs
I am (almost to the day) 1 Year into EV ownership and cant see myself going back to ice, the future is bright, and quiet and clean, it will, before too long, be unsociable to drive I.C.E cars much in the same way as smoking used to be cool and popular, now you feel like an outcast for smoking
One would be led to believe Sandy holds something against MBA's :)
As Dilbert asked the Witch and the MBA, "Which one of you caused The Great Recession of 2008?"
Thanks for a good show, with two of my favorite RUclips presenters- Robert and Sandy;-)
I think Sandy is way off on capacitors being the future. He's also wrong about the 4680 cells being "dry", it's still a wet electrolyte but it all gets absorbed. The Dry Battery Electrode, (DBE), coating has nothing to do with the electrolyte or solid state.
Almost every time he started talking electrical systems he was showing that it's not his background - he seems a good manufacturing engineer but not even close to competent EE.
Sandy has forgotten more about the auto industry than most people will ever know. Absolute legend. Watch the video about his visit to the Gigapress factory in Italy, fascinating.
Well idk about that he missed the sodium-ion battery’s that Catl is releasing in the first quarter of 2023 or the qilin battery
HubNut would probably remember
@@jimmyblackwell8784 say more
@@jimmyblackwell8784 That may be because Sodium-Ion has a lower energy density, they are better suited for grid storage.
And the Qilin I have not heard of, but will be probably in the list that Robert mentioned: the endless list of breakthrough battery technologies of which 1 in 20 will find commercialisation.
Sandy Munro seems to mention quite a lot of inaccuracies in this discussion...
1) weight does NOT make a huge difference to efficiency - he does mention though that aero will make a FAR bigger impact
2) he also states that the electric F150 is great - yet that weighs 6500lb/3 tonnes (or 2000lbs more than a regular Super Cab or SuperCrew) - which contradicts his point above
3) induction charging it NOT faster than wired charging, it's also only about 70-80% as efficient as wired charging
4) he advocates for the removal of buttons - but there is emerging evidence that touchscreens are less safe (in cars) than physical buttons/dials/knobs etc
The Ford EV truck seems good with no cargo and moderate outside air temperature but when any weight is added and it gets cold outside its range plummets making it unusable for a work truck , Hoovies garage has some really good unbiased testing on it unlike many EV fanboy channels
I'm an retired EDS (Electrical Distribution System) Engineer, Take it from me it's very difficult to reduce the harness weight, the current trend is aluminium wire, but this presents durability issues because the aluminium cable expand and contract far more than the old copper wire, this causes issues with terminal crimping/retention..... The best way to reduce weight is to use Raychem 25 spec cable as used in F1 etc but this is a no-go for mass production cars because of the astronomical cost.
I thought the major issue for Tesla was the parallel high voltage and low voltage harnesses. before the Model Y came out they were talking about making just the high voltage harness with some sort of conversion module near whatever instrument needed low voltage.
Tesla's reluctance to do anything V2G is the single biggest reason I'm not considering one for my next EV. It's absolutely infuriating to me that Tesla is seeming to ignore this incredible capability.
If they start V2G, then the need for power walls goes away.
I think their philosophy is that they'd rather use batteries made for "home storage" usage profiles rather than add wear and tear on an EV that's ten times the price.
The chemistry they use in their EVs is different from the one they employ in their storage products, optimized for their respective use cases.
Hopefully they still change their minds because I prefer having the option in en emergency anyway, even if there's some technical (and business) logic behind it.
I'm assuming their Cybertruck line will have the ability to provide power in some fashion at least, because it would make more sense in that application, being a "work" truck.
It will undercut their Powerwall business which in the UK charges something like £8500 for 13.5kwh. Meanwhile you can get a £40k car with an 80kwh battery. Pro rata the Tesla battery is much more expensive than the car battery and with the car battery you get a car thrown in for no extra charge. Powerwalls are an absolute ripoff.
@@rogerphelps9939 It's a much better deal than the competing solutions.
I wouldn't call that a rip-off, but they're not cheap.
Buttons do several things that screens cannot -- move, have shape and texture, and provide tactile feedback. When screens can provide that sort of subtlety, then by all means stick everything on screens.
Buttons also work pretty well when your hands are dirty or wet, or when you're wearing thick gloves. Knobs let you make fine, precise adjustments to a range, without looking to see where you are on the slider.
Come on Sandy, inductive charging is DC charging? Inductive charging is, by definition, AC charging.
I didn't particularly like having a computer screen facing me when we first got our Tesla, though it is quite easy and safe to navigate the touchscreen when you are willing to learn a new way of driving. Thanks for a great show, Robert and Sandy! Peace
Excellent video. Munro really knows his stuff.
Not much about why inductive charging is a bad idea.
He was correct about cars have the heating/cooling with buttons with the rest in center display! That is my happy medium in electric cars that needs to happen! The small chips shortage stumbled on correct answer to EV problem inside cars! Besides the near future and what china is using the LFP bAtteries need to be used more and more to this battery shortage! Not alll of us are race cars drivers!
An EV with minimal to no digital interface would be a nice change
THANKS ROBERT,SANDY ,🤗 for doing this, the first of many…we hope 👍
🙋♂️ I am pretty sure that ELON said…he tried it the earliest models, but no one used it…
So how hard would be to restore it in the future 🤔💚💚💚
As always, thank you for filming. :) Merry Christmas and a happy New Year.
Great video. Why doesn't Tesla do v2g? They've got home batteries to sell, why would they compete against themselves.
I think you nailed it. The fact that any EV (of just about _any_ size) with V2G capability can replace a lot of the use case for a home battery must be pretty awkward for Tesla.
Like their EVs, there is a huge backlog of Tesla Powerwalls. Powerwall demand is not a problem or concern - production is. Demand has outpaced production so much that Powerwall sales are restricted only to Tesla solar roof/panel installations.
The real reason Tesla does not do V2G is cycle life and Tesla haters. Li-ion batteries have a limited cycle life -frequent charge/discharge cycles seriously degrade their capacity which directly translates into range. If Tesla battery packs started needing replacement after only 100K or 200K miles do your really think today's media would investigate or report excessive V2G usage? Or do you think the headlines would scream "Tesla batteries are failing!"? All other EV manufacturers will get a media pass.
While the thought of an EV battery pack at ten times the capacity of a 7kWh Powerwall at less than twice the price is enticing there are major design and usage differences. At some point I expect the cycle life of LFP battery packs will be good enough and the Tesla haters debunked enough for Tesla to implement V2G for their EVs.
00K miles do your really think today's media would investigate or report excessive V2G usage? Or do you think the headlines would scream "Tesla batteries are failing!"? All other EV manufacturers will get a media pass.
While the thought of an EV battery pack at ten times the capacity of a 7kWh Powerwall at less than twice the price is enticing there are major design and usage differences. At some point I expect the cycle life of LFP battery packs will be good enough and the Tesla haters debunked enough for Tesla to implement V2G for their EVs.
@@ps.2 Especially when Powerwalls are overpriced cash cows for Tesla.
@@GntlTch The usage of a domestic energy storage battery is far less demanding than that of an EV traction battery. EV batteries should be able to do VTG and VTL in their stride and that is why manufacturers other than Tesla are embracing it.
Can't wait for Fully charged to hit 1M subscribers!
Sandy, Saudi Arabia is not in the Sahara desert. The Sahara is restricted to North Africa only. It is separated from the Arabian desert by the Red Sea.
Yeah, on top of getting more dependent on Saudi Arabia's for resources... their probably worse then China, lol...
This one's for Sandy, I never have to rotate my tyres on my AWD EV (Tesla Model S) because the wear is totally even. Also I don't know of any 400kW ICE car that can be driven the way I drive mine and still get 50,000km on a set of tyres. Finally I suspect I'm going to get 5 times the break pad life if not more because I tend to use the brakes from 5kph down to zero 90% of the time in fact probably only 3 times in 4-5 days. I got my wife a model 3 and it has one pedal driving and I'd say that's going to be even less brake pad usage.
I would also like to add that any nitwit that is trying to advocate for surcharges based on particulates created from tyres and brake pads (actually lower for EV's) must also advocate for removal of all fossil fuel subsidies across the board as well as adding a really healthy pollution surcharge for the entire fossil fuel supply chain. The annual health cost of JUST electricity production in the USA alone from fossil fuels is $886.5 billion. Australia's health costs JUST from coal production is 2.4billion. The list goes on. Yes let's talk about these costs, and make the companies pay like we did for tobacco companies.
Here is a stat you might like.
1/3 of all the mercury in the environment is due to man. And most of that is from burning fossil fuels, principally from burning coal.
Mercury from coal stack emmissions, is washed into rivers, lakes and oceans, and enters the food chain via fish.
This is all quoted from 8yr old US Oceanagraphic research papers I read.
@@nordic5490 Thank you, and yes I do like it (well that you've shared it with me, not so much that it has that impact.)
All the right questions answered intelligently - Magic!
Induction charging is faster? What? Sandy Munro, please show your work on that one.
In terms of not having to fuss with cords and plugs and payment, much faster to *initiate* a charge. After that, itll never be faster than a big fat wire.
Truly wonderful outlook on the state of EVs and where they are going.
Thank you Robert and Sandy for answering the questions. I look forward episodes.
gimme back all the physical buttons! anything you commonly need while driving should have a tactile button or knob big enough that you don't have to take time lining it up. no stupid menus that require focus being taken away from driving. and capacitive on steering wheels are soooooo dumb. you hit them accidentally more than on purpose.
I love the spelling of "break pads" on that question
How about 'working' voice control rather than buttons?
Good luck. Really cracking voice commands for people with heavy regional dialects is still a long way off. And many of us just arent comfortable talking to a thing. 🤷
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That's just a matter of incorporating a bit of AI that can learn an individual's speech characteristics.
Think a training session when you get your first voice command car. The screen puts up a series of words - heater, radio, on, off, up, down, wiper, etd. - and has you read them a few times. It learns you.
Next voice command car - that individual voice profile is transferred to your new car. Or a rental car. Or a car you borrow from a friend. It might be an over the air transfer or it might be stored in your phone.
Great to see actual experts who know what they are talking about
Robert, great job. But please - for the love of god, learn how to use VOICE commands ; in you Model 3 - you can turn the heated seats on (my favorite: drivers seat 3 bacons), activate/turn off the fr/rear defrosters, changed the cabin temperature.
Love the slow piano jazz vibe underlining the compact interview, thank you Robert and Sandy!
Great show guys! Thank you
What did sandy mean by inductive charging being “faster” at 4:46 ? Specifically, how is wireless power transfer ever faster than an equivalent input wired connection?
The last thing we need to hear is that Saudi Arabia has everything we need in their deserts...!! The whole point of NOT burning fuel and running an EV is that we improve the environment and don't need to do business with Saudi Arabia
V2G was originally available on the Roadsters but according to Elon, stats from owners showed little utilization, and therefore he eliminated the feature in later Teslas, Model S and onward. The new NACS Tesla is trying to push is compatible with V2G and V2L as well so there are plans to make these features available, hopefully sooner than later.
"... according to Elon..." that is funny
The Tesla Power wall is the reason they aren't interested in V2G
Loved the brevity
I bought a used ev 2 yrs ago. that's the only option for low income buyers to afford evs. In fact perhaps you might consider doing a show on some folks who bought their evs on the cheap.
Thank you for a most informative episode and may I suggest that it becomes a quarterly broadcast. It worked brilliantly. On a personal note; I just have to live long enough to see some of these developments. Looking on the bright side I can take my last ride to the crematorium in a electric Hearse to be vaporized by a giant capacitor. Wife; what was that flash? Funeral director; That was your husband being reduced to his molecular components, 75% Scotch whiskey and 25% lead well he is Pb..........................................
Unfortunatly the 'graphite alternative` lignode might work well for stationary applications as it should be cheaper. However it's kWh per ton is one 5th that of graphite. So too heavy for vehicles.
I love this format! Speed dating goes electric Q&A. For sure one of my favourite 2022 episodes.
Tesla does not want to make vehicle to grid/load/home because they want you to buy their Powerwall
I installed Powerwalls. I agree with you. I HATED selling them because I felt like those batteries belonged in a vehicle. Unfortunately none of the lower power density battery technologies more suitable for stationary battery packs have turned out to be less expensive than LiON. I'm still hoping for a home Flow battery you can put in your basement.
4:50 "Induction Charging, it's faster, it's DC..."
DC Induction? Must be some kinda industry short-hand i'm not familiar with.
Induction heating, charging, anything induction will always be AC (not DC). Closely related to an electrical transformer (which also used induction) - they quite literally REQUIRE AC to be able to work.
I think he meant just plug in DC and it was a misspeak.
Great, thanks! A Tesla m3, performance is available in China, for around 50 000 usd.
Sandy I am just waiting to receive a mg 4 long range, I believe you have looked at this, do you remember what you thought, I believe it's the best at the price.
Covered an enormous amount in a short time Robert. Well done to both of you. The most interesting one to me is efficiency. I've been banging on about how it's the most important metric for EVs next to range which, of course, is partly dependent on efficiency. The more distance you get out of a kWh the cheaper the EV gets to run, given identical charging speeds the less time you have to spend DC fast charging and potentially you can have a smaller battery, therefore less upfront cost.
And that is why induction charging is a very bad idea. It is extremely inefficient.
Good to see that Sandy's price prediction was spot on, Tesla reduced prices quite a lot at the beginning of this year
When are you going to start asking on the Mastodons or Matrix Robert? Distributed social media is a much better long-term plan than dodgy corporations with capricious owners. But we have to make an effort to overcome the network effect.
Love seeing guys with hair the same color as me just killing it on RUclips… and you two are truly the cream of the crop. Got my ticket for the Fully Charged Live Show! Can’t wait to see you there Robert… but here’s your fair warning: if you turn down my request for a selfie, I’m going to throw a fit😊
Hi Robert, we would very much like you to interview Sam Evans. He has so much to say about EVs and currently he needs friends supporting him due to his wife's illness.
The key measurement on a vehicle - IMHO - is NOT range, its the time for the next mile after the tank is empty.
The fill-up time, the find a 'gas station' and fillup and drive onwards.
If you can crack that you're golden.
Pickups could be much more aero since only the back of it is the "truck" part that is functional (for working trucks). It's only sharing pieces with the ICE truck that keep the trucks looking the same as they have since the 1940's. Even the concept Cybertruck is better in the regard other than it wasn't designed for manufacturability.
Sandy is right that induction charging would be the best way to go since most vehicles are parked 23 hours of every day. Level 2 is inexpensive and there could be a pad in every parking space.
Great format. Quick hitting important answers to questions. People have. Excellent insights into next 5 to 15 years.
12:47 - spelling it as 'break' pads is bad enough but 'wheels' generally do not create particulates at all. Tyres do.
and Sandy, How are you this sunny morning in Goonellabah on North Coast NSW?
The Team and I have submitted a DA to a Lismore council on North Coast NSW end of Nov 2022:
1. 250 prefabricated XLam as CLT & SIPform passive house-certified homes. On the roofs of buildings, the Tractile, the excess electricity will be stored in the 28.8MW Tesla Batteries Farm.
2. The PV in total 934,370m2 - Tractile tiles 45,000m2 and Arctech Solar Tracking - Tesla PV panel 887,400m2
3. Bi-Charging of EV one per house and 12 charging stations in the shopping centre.
4. Micro-grid that connects to a community of 4800 residents
5. Landscaping the whole site, ensuring enough clearance for the surrounding bush and buildings.
6. We will be trailing the SoMax HTC process.
7. We will have a project at the end of 2024 that will be installed a long-range wireless power transfer. Emrod Tele-Energy Technology.
Sounds like a FC story in the making?
But will it produce enough electricity to power Kriten for the whole voyage?
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck Yes - We will install another 1,000,000m2 Arctech Solar Tracking by 2030. The electricity produced will supply the whole of Lismore, with approx 40,000 residents.
Some of the Teams and companies include. We are making Your Tube videos for each company:
• SipForm™.
• Tractile.
• Direct Building Solution.
• NB Consulting Engineers,
• Green Product Certification.
• XLam
• Weathertex
• Cupolex
• Big Ass Fans
• Arctech Solar Tracking
• Tesla EV - PV - Powerwall.
• Arcimoto.
• Emrod Tele-Energy Technology
• SoMax HTC
We will employ over 234 consultants and local trades. So, if you live on North Coast NSW, we like to hear by the end of the year.
We will be onsite in July 2023.
We have a video on RUclips at the end of Nov 2022. Then two videos a month project finish the project in 2025.
We will raise AU$500 million by the end of 2025 for the development. We have investors in the US and the Middle East. The Team and I will start Crowd Funding on Dec 2022. The Team and I have a Zoom meeting on the first Monday of the month. We will discuss Crowd Funding next meeting.
The Team and I Fully Charged LIVE- ICC Sydney from 11th to 12th March 2023. I will be there in Sydney. We promoted the project on the film on stand team taking a project and future projects.
Sustainable - Urban - Community - Homes
Rethink - Reimagine - Reinvent - Disrupt
Two legends talking abt my favourite subject....what more do I want...?
Great video thank you! Tesla may not want to do vehicle to grid because it might cut into their power wall sales.
Sandy mentioned induction charging, energized roads that wirelessly charge vehicles driving on them. This technology is already in use in a modest, proof of concept stretch of road in Europe. Apparently, little energy is lost in wireless transmission. If this becomes the common way of charging when away from home, vehicles will need far smaller (lighter) battery packs, making each mile cheaper and putting lighter veicles on the road.
I’d bet that induction charging is more likely to be used in parking spaces, to remove the inconvenience of having to plug the car in.
Wrong. Induction charging is a terrible idea. You will be lucky to get 50% efficiency.
@@AdamCalow I would rather plug in and get close to 100% efficiency than use induction charging with a measly 50% efficiency.
@@rogerphelps9939 , (a) do you have a link that can back up your assertion that induction charging is only 50% efficient? (b) Even if it’s true, the convenience of not having to plug cables into cars will win a lot of people over to the idea (in the same way as wireless charging of phones).
Great video fellas. Thank you both.
+1000 on engineering minds being needed, rather than MBA minds.
This is about progress, innovations, finding solutions and not maximising profit and selling a product.
Business people will strangle any real innovation, because R&D costs money, whilst repackaging and redesigning an existing product and making it *seem* like innovation is a nice and cheap way to sell supposedly "new" stuff for more money.
Business is all about milking something for as much as it's worth and hiking the price by "adding value", i.e. adding tinsel and Blinkenlights.
we need more videos like this
For the seat warmer there is one button. It's the right scroll wheel. Press it and say "turn on my seat warmer". Done.
The part about the Ford wiring harness weighing 100lbs more than the Tesla, reducing that down to Tesla weight will likely also reduce materials and costs, so it’s a triple win with every gram reduced in a car.
Loved this. More please!
12:25 Sandy says car V2G is as simple as replacing circuit board diodes with semiconductors. Who knows for sure? 15:56 advances in slow-discharge capacitors could greatly reduce battery weight, especially combined with solid state battery.
Sandy should know that a diode is a semiconductor !
Slow discharge capacitors will do bugger all for battery weight.
Sandy Munro featured Fully Charged???!!!
AMAZING!!!
I absolutely hate that Sandy thinks buttons are unneeded. I work in IT, am rather young, and owned a Model 3 for nearly 2 years, and having to use the touch screen all the time drove me crazy. I now have an EV that has physical buttons for important, often used functions, and it's such an improvement.
And no, I don't think voice controls are a good excuse for poor UI.
Do you think you guys could do an in-depth video in the LeydenJar battery at some point? I've heard some great things about it and they won the innovation award at CES.
Why would Tesla ever go for VTG when they want to sell Powerwalls. That would be senseless!
If all their rivals do it then they may have to do it in order to remain competitive. It's already a major selling point against them and that will only get worse as grids adapt to the presence of many EVs.
"If you don't cannibalize yourself, someone else will."
We just bought a Chevy Bolt EUV that was in transit and will pick it up on Jan 2 2023. The whole deal from start to finish took 2 weeks. So supply must be getting better.
I think Tesla has stalled on VTG technology to protect their home battery storage business.
I hope in 20 - 25 years we will have not only the high capacity battery problem fixed, but the self driving vehicle problems too. It would mean so much to me and millions of seniors when we get to an age we can no longer drive.
Id buzz looks awesome, bit out of my budget though so I’ll stick with my 1973 t2 bay .
Model 3 in China is - 23k usd .
Dry 4680 batteries from Kato Rd. In Fremont? California for the WIN!
Deserts have a lot going on besides items to mine. Biodiversity should be considered valuable.
sandy is full of knowledge but you as a presenter are a pleasure. You are tops.
Sandy does not like MBAs & Harvard business school 😂. I can’t blame him