A tutorial on how to change the front brake pads on the Speed Twin and getting rid of that annoying squeal. As a bonus you get much better brakes. Better feel and bite.
Great video again, I was having the squeaky brakes and after watching this you inspired me to go and do them . I can confirm no more squeaky front speed twin brakes result! Cheers for the tip 👍👏
Just some additional thoughts (for new riders and wrenches). EBC HH pads are a more aggressive compound. So expect to see greater wear on your rotors. Their initial bite when braking can also be a little more touchy/immediate, so once installed, go try them out in a safe place, just to recalibrate your brain. Doing so will help you manage nosedive and get a feel for the new setup. You can also do a little search on "bedding in brake pads", to learn how to marry the new pads to the rotors. It's not a must by any means, but many riders I know like to do it, and I myself always bed in my pads when I first put them in as a habit.
Thanks for the advice; I'm also looking to replace the rear pads; I can't see to find the EBC pad numbers for the rear brake. I found an EBC brake double_H FA214/2hh, but I'm not 100% sure if that's correct. Do you know what a good braking pad is for the rear brake? Thank you in advance for your help
Had the same problem with rear brakes and I’m going to try that copper paste as I’ve checked and no paste on my pads so thanks. My bike is new so I’ll keep the OEM pads unless they squeal to
I performed this fix on my Speed Twin at the beginning of the 2020 riding season and didn’t hear a single brake squeal all season; I think the copper grease compound is key and the upgraded pads definitely help improve braking.
Had the bike for 1 week now and not had any brake squeal but I do degrease the discs after every ride. Thanks for pointing out the rear wheel rubber squeal sound, I wondered what that was.
My brake squeal started at about 1000km (or 620 miles) as the brake pads started to get a bit looser. If the squeal starts the first thing to do is use copper paste (or other equal grease) on the backs of the pads. But if that doesn't help and you also want better braking power and feel (as I did, because I do trackdays also) the proper HH sintered pads is the way to go.
I ride for around 40 years only Japanese bikes and never had this problems. I can not imagine degrease my discs after every ride. It should not be done in a bike of this technology and price. That is what I think. I believe I solved the problem already, what took me 4 tedious months. I only expend this time because I loved the engine power. Now I need to solve another problem before giving it up. It is about the hot air flow from the radiator´s ventilator when on. It pushes a burning air directly to my legs. I suppose this is so hot because I leave in a very hot place, Rio de Janeiro/Brazil. But I have a solution for it. I will deviate the air flow with a device I will manufacture.
I just do that as I spray GT85/WD40, silicone and other stuff when finishing off the clean. That way none of the overspray is left on the discs to contaminate. They also stay 100% efficient and powerful.
Hello. Finally someone made it alive. I have the exactly same problem as you and other folks´s comments here. I had several discussions with the dealer and the best answer was: CLEAN THE DISC AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. So, no sense at all. Getting back, even before watching your video, I did exactly what you did. I bought the FA322/4HH and installed. The braking performance is better, smother and more comfortable. But something came along and I would like to hear from you if you got the same thing. A different noise came in as it would be like bearing without lubricants or an old dry chain. It is continuous even without breaking and sometimes goes out after a corner. And the sound gets greater as you brake (even though, much better than the stock squeal). Following my research, I verified the that the FA322´s back plate is 3mm thick and the Brembo stock´s pad has around 4.5 mm in thickness. I do not know if this could be a problem or not on a long demanding riding full of corners. So, I got puzzled because I still did not found any info on any EBC part number´s reference manual until yesterday when I found the 2020, may EBC´s reference manual where finally shows TRIUMPH SPEED TWIN indication. And the pad they say it is the proper for the Speed Twin, is the F604/4HH. Looking into the specs, this pad has also 4.5mm thickness in it´s back plate. So, I ordered it and will install it ASAP to understand it there are any differences. So, thank you for your video and look forward to hear from you about your experience with the FA322 installed.
I have the same Sound from the brake pads, but it starts to get quieter as the pads start to be used more. I have done a trackday and 1500km + now and still no squeal or any issues with braking performance (fade etc.) Please do report if there is any difference with the new brake pads with the thicker back plate. I would think that they are even better at preventing heat from getting to the brake fluid.
@@jakejokerdef Well, the order of the FA604 was canceled by the seller. So I bought AP RACING LMP-470SF. It did not arrive yet but meanwhile I made a full maintenance on the front brakes, including sanding the discs and pads (fa322) and applied the copper grease (WURTH CU-800) behind the pad's plate. Problem continues. When stopping at very low speed, the squeal arrives. But now, it is unpredictable. Sometimes it appears, sometimes not. I can not figure it out. But what I found is: If the squeal comes up, jut do hard brake and it is gone. I found this today when parking at home. Need to validate. Well, as soon as the AP RACING pads arrive, I will do a full maintenance again but instead of using copper grease, I will use another compound that equally resists to heat, dust, water and in this case, does not contain metal (it is not CERATEC. It is something produced in Brazil) and so can not eventually affect the electric components of the ABS. I will share as I get the test results, Regards.
@@jakejokerdef Hello again. Finally I got the AP-RACING pads. As I mentioned I applied the product produced in Brazil and the problem is still there. So, removed the product. Run a full clean up and applied the copper grease (made from WURTH. It is coded as CU-800 from Wurth). Now let me ask some questions: 1) What was the copper past you used? 2) Did you apply on the back plates only or also on the 3 sides of each PAD? 3) And about the amount of grease you applied. Every where I read, people say to apply a thin layer and looks like you applied more than a thin layer. Did you noticed and leak of the grease around the calliper? Did you check it up to verify if the grease is still around? If it was removed by water or dusty?. Well, I appreciate your inputs as I getting mad with this thing. Thank you
Hello, the copper paste I used is Valvoline and I applied it to the back of the pads only. I also applied a small amount to the pins that hold the pad springs in place. Just to the parts of the pins that touch the brake calibers. I did apply quite a thick layer on the pads and from what I can see there is still copper paste in the backs of the pads. Please note that I don’t wash the bike with a jet wash. Only with a bucket and a sponge.
@@jakejokerdef That is really really a great learning curve these info exchange. So, let´s go. I applied a thin layer of the cooper grease only at the back plate of the pads and the problem was still there. I got crase. So, I had to jet wash the bike because was really dirt (I had to do that because I was using MOTUL C4 on the chains and it was really dirt). After the jet wash, I got home, still with the problem. Slept with it. Woke up and removed the pads. The thin layer I had applied, was still there, even with the jet wash, and so I reinforced it and also applied thin layers on the sides of all pads. Also, I applied into/on the bobbins, a product named CORROSION X HD (it is worth researching on this). I let it rest for a day, rode, and let it rest for another 4 days. Wonderfully the squeal is gone. Amazing. I was about to go crazy. Thanks for your help.
Great video! thank you for sharing, can you tell me what type of copper paste you used and if you need to replace the brake pads or can I just add the copper paste? Thank you in advance for answering my question
Hello, I used CRC Copper Paste and it’s been holding on well for about 6000km by now. Still no squeal. You could just try the copper paste first and if it doesn’t work and the squeal continues, then change the pads also.
Helpful video! It looks like the fix was two-fold; sintered pads AND grease. I'm wondering if the grease will burn off, and if so, the sintered pads will still help with the squeaking. Were the original pads steel as you mentioned, or copper?
Yes indeed. The original pads are steel and the new pads are copper so they will prevent heat from getting to the piston and fluid. I doubt the copper paste will burn of, but I’ll keep an eye on them. I will be doing a trackday shortly, so I’ll be sure to check the pads after that.
I am still working around on this as I did not solve it yet. But during the process I used a copper grease from WURTH (code number: CU-800) that has a promise to holt its properties until 1.200 degrees Celsius. So, should be safe. And more. During in one of the attempts to solve, I applied the grease and had to have my bike washed. I took it to a service station that used high pressure water jet to clean the chassis, chain, swing arm and wheels. After that I removed the pads and the grease were still there.
I believe it will help as the pads are bone dry as standard, but the oem pads are much softer material than the better quality sintered pads (the oem are also part sintered but a mixture compound) and that means that the brake is "spongier" and thus the pads have more play. With the proper HH sintered pads the braking feel and effect is much more powerful and stable. This also eliminates the possibility for vibration of the brake pads.
No they are Weslake Shorty Pro pipes with the dB killers. To me with the dB killers they are good. I tried them without the killers and it’s way too loud for me.
I have now ridden 8400km and still no squeal from the brakes. I just got a new rear tyre fitted and I had a Street Triple RS for the duration. I was shocked to hear a similar brake squeal from it’s front brake! I’m now wondering is this squeeling thing a Triumph problem or a Brembo issue...
Hi! Will be interested in report after 500km+ Squel started on mine around 200-300km, cleaned and regreased thouroughly by myself and dealer several times, with not much improvement. Changed to new set of stock disc and pads, ok for 100-300km, then same problem. Going in for 3. pair of stock pads and stock disc on guarentee next week, not very optimistic about that solving the problem. Rear brake, no problem.
Hello, I have ridden 670km as of this morning and a trackday is included in that. No squeal thus far. The brakes actually sound (and feel) different when braking than with the OEM brake pads. I have also ridden in city traffic four times and no squeal with light braking. I will report if the squeal returns. I hope you get rid of the squeal also. Annoying as he** Here is a link to the HH sintered pads I installed. www.britishlegends.fr/en/brake-pads-speed-twin.html
@@jakejokerdef Thanks alot for that quick and thourough response. Will certainly try sinter pads then:) and report back here if problem stays solved. (For the records, my impressions is that both my prior sets started squealing after some hard use, quite the opposite of what I would expect, but could also just be use over time no matter hard braking or not)Thanks!!
Anyone has a ticking noise in their bonneville front brake? Sounds like a rock in a tire, tick, tick, tick, it goes away when I brake. I even bought oem brake pads but not change.
Sounds the same as my T120, not a break problem its vibration from the wheel the new modified front wheel has a rubber pad fitted in the hub which stops the squealing Triumph replaced the front wheel and discs.
Great video again, I was having the squeaky brakes and after watching this you inspired me to go and do them . I can confirm no more squeaky front speed twin brakes result! Cheers for the tip 👍👏
Watched your video and made the leap. Way more front braking grip, and so far no more squeal. Thank you sir.
Greetings from Hong Kong! thanks for sharing the tips about speed twin, those problems annoy me a lot, it’s time to fix it!
Just some additional thoughts (for new riders and wrenches). EBC HH pads are a more aggressive compound. So expect to see greater wear on your rotors. Their initial bite when braking can also be a little more touchy/immediate, so once installed, go try them out in a safe place, just to recalibrate your brain. Doing so will help you manage nosedive and get a feel for the new setup.
You can also do a little search on "bedding in brake pads", to learn how to marry the new pads to the rotors. It's not a must by any means, but many riders I know like to do it, and I myself always bed in my pads when I first put them in as a habit.
Thanks for the advice; I'm also looking to replace the rear pads; I can't see to find the EBC pad numbers for the rear brake. I found an EBC brake double_H FA214/2hh, but I'm not 100% sure if that's correct. Do you know what a good braking pad is for the rear brake? Thank you in advance for your help
Nonsense. I have noticed virtually no difference in initial bite from my stock pads to the aftermarket sintered pads. 30+ years in the saddle here...
Had the same problem with rear brakes and I’m going to try that copper paste as I’ve checked and no paste on my pads so thanks. My bike is new so I’ll keep the OEM pads unless they squeal to
Fantastic video and solution! Many thanks!
I performed this fix on my Speed Twin at the beginning of the 2020 riding season and didn’t hear a single brake squeal all season; I think the copper grease compound is key and the upgraded pads definitely help improve braking.
Thank you! Did this on my speed twin and the squeaky brake sound is all gone - no longer sounds like a toy bike at traffic lights when I stop!
what type of copper paste did you used? I'm planning to do it for my speed twin 1200. Thanks in advance for taking the time to respond to my question
Thanks for the video! just found your channel! 👍🏻
The squeaking was quite annoying. Thank you Jokerdef.
Had the bike for 1 week now and not had any brake squeal but I do degrease the discs after every ride. Thanks for pointing out the rear wheel rubber squeal sound, I wondered what that was.
My brake squeal started at about 1000km (or 620 miles) as the brake pads started to get a bit looser. If the squeal starts the first thing to do is use copper paste (or other equal grease) on the backs of the pads. But if that doesn't help and you also want better braking power and feel (as I did, because I do trackdays also) the proper HH sintered pads is the way to go.
I ride for around 40 years only Japanese bikes and never had this problems. I can not imagine degrease my discs after every ride. It should not be done in a bike of this technology and price. That is what I think. I believe I solved the problem already, what took me 4 tedious months. I only expend this time because I loved the engine power. Now I need to solve another problem before giving it up. It is about the hot air flow from the radiator´s ventilator when on. It pushes a burning air directly to my legs. I suppose this is so hot because I leave in a very hot place, Rio de Janeiro/Brazil. But I have a solution for it. I will deviate the air flow with a device I will manufacture.
I just do that as I spray GT85/WD40, silicone and other stuff when finishing off the clean. That way none of the overspray is left on the discs to contaminate. They also stay 100% efficient and powerful.
I know what you mean about the hot air! Legs open wide like a tart to cool off.
@@Cuzzazbuzz Better. Try to use a product named CORROSION X HD instead of WD40. I recently found it and it is amazing. Take a look on the internet.
Thanks for this…my brakes squeal a LOT around town. Super annoying and looking for a solution.
Nicely done
Very helpful as i have the same issue.
Great video stay safe 🇬🇧👍🏻
Hello. Finally someone made it alive. I have the exactly same problem as you and other folks´s comments here. I had several discussions with the dealer and the best answer was: CLEAN THE DISC AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. So, no sense at all. Getting back, even before watching your video, I did exactly what you did. I bought the FA322/4HH and installed. The braking performance is better, smother and more comfortable. But something came along and I would like to hear from you if you got the same thing. A different noise came in as it would be like bearing without lubricants or an old dry chain. It is continuous even without breaking and sometimes goes out after a corner. And the sound gets greater as you brake (even though, much better than the stock squeal). Following my research, I verified the that the FA322´s back plate is 3mm thick and the Brembo stock´s pad has around 4.5 mm in thickness. I do not know if this could be a problem or not on a long demanding riding full of corners. So, I got puzzled because I still did not found any info on any EBC part number´s reference manual until yesterday when I found the 2020, may EBC´s reference manual where finally shows TRIUMPH SPEED TWIN indication. And the pad they say it is the proper for the Speed Twin, is the F604/4HH. Looking into the specs, this pad has also 4.5mm thickness in it´s back plate. So, I ordered it and will install it ASAP to understand it there are any differences. So, thank you for your video and look forward to hear from you about your experience with the FA322 installed.
I have the same Sound from the brake pads, but it starts to get quieter as the pads start to be used more. I have done a trackday and 1500km + now and still no squeal or any issues with braking performance (fade etc.) Please do report if there is any difference with the new brake pads with the thicker back plate. I would think that they are even better at preventing heat from getting to the brake fluid.
@@jakejokerdef Well, the order of the FA604 was canceled by the seller. So I bought AP RACING LMP-470SF. It did not arrive yet but meanwhile I made a full maintenance on the front brakes, including sanding the discs and pads (fa322) and applied the copper grease (WURTH CU-800) behind the pad's plate. Problem continues. When stopping at very low speed, the squeal arrives. But now, it is unpredictable. Sometimes it appears, sometimes not. I can not figure it out. But what I found is: If the squeal comes up, jut do hard brake and it is gone. I found this today when parking at home. Need to validate. Well, as soon as the AP RACING pads arrive, I will do a full maintenance again but instead of using copper grease, I will use another compound that equally resists to heat, dust, water and in this case, does not contain metal (it is not CERATEC. It is something produced in Brazil) and so can not eventually affect the electric components of the ABS. I will share as I get the test results, Regards.
@@jakejokerdef Hello again. Finally I got the AP-RACING pads. As I mentioned I applied the product produced in Brazil and the problem is still there. So, removed the product. Run a full clean up and applied the copper grease (made from WURTH. It is coded as CU-800 from Wurth). Now let me ask some questions: 1) What was the copper past you used? 2) Did you apply on the back plates only or also on the 3 sides of each PAD? 3) And about the amount of grease you applied. Every where I read, people say to apply a thin layer and looks like you applied more than a thin layer. Did you noticed and leak of the grease around the calliper? Did you check it up to verify if the grease is still around? If it was removed by water or dusty?. Well, I appreciate your inputs as I getting mad with this thing. Thank you
Hello, the copper paste I used is Valvoline and I applied it to the back of the pads only. I also applied a small amount to the pins that hold the pad springs in place. Just to the parts of the pins that touch the brake calibers. I did apply quite a thick layer on the pads and from what I can see there is still copper paste in the backs of the pads. Please note that I don’t wash the bike with a jet wash. Only with a bucket and a sponge.
@@jakejokerdef That is really really a great learning curve these info exchange. So, let´s go. I applied a thin layer of the cooper grease only at the back plate of the pads and the problem was still there. I got crase. So, I had to jet wash the bike because was really dirt (I had to do that because I was using MOTUL C4 on the chains and it was really dirt). After the jet wash, I got home, still with the problem. Slept with it. Woke up and removed the pads. The thin layer I had applied, was still there, even with the jet wash, and so I reinforced it and also applied thin layers on the sides of all pads. Also, I applied into/on the bobbins, a product named CORROSION X HD (it is worth researching on this). I let it rest for a day, rode, and let it rest for another 4 days. Wonderfully the squeal is gone. Amazing. I was about to go crazy. Thanks for your help.
Great video! thank you for sharing, can you tell me what type of copper paste you used and if you need to replace the brake pads or can I just add the copper paste? Thank you in advance for answering my question
Hello,
I used CRC Copper Paste and it’s been holding on well for about 6000km by now. Still no squeal.
You could just try the copper paste first and if it doesn’t work and the squeal continues, then change the pads also.
Great. Thank you 👍
Helpful video! It looks like the fix was two-fold; sintered pads AND grease. I'm wondering if the grease will burn off, and if so, the sintered pads will still help with the squeaking.
Were the original pads steel as you mentioned, or copper?
Yes indeed. The original pads are steel and the new pads are copper so they will prevent heat from getting to the piston and fluid. I doubt the copper paste will burn of, but I’ll keep an eye on them. I will be doing a trackday shortly, so I’ll be sure to check the pads after that.
I am still working around on this as I did not solve it yet. But during the process I used a copper grease from WURTH (code number: CU-800) that has a promise to holt its properties until 1.200 degrees Celsius. So, should be safe. And more. During in one of the attempts to solve, I applied the grease and had to have my bike washed. I took it to a service station that used high pressure water jet to clean the chassis, chain, swing arm and wheels. After that I removed the pads and the grease were still there.
I wonder if just using the copper paste on the original break pads would make any difference?
I believe it will help as the pads are bone dry as standard, but the oem pads are much softer material than the better quality sintered pads (the oem are also part sintered but a mixture compound) and that means that the brake is "spongier" and thus the pads have more play. With the proper HH sintered pads the braking feel and effect is much more powerful and stable. This also eliminates the possibility for vibration of the brake pads.
Great thanks just about to do mine ps do you happen to know the part numbers for the EBC pads if that’s what you used regards Fred
Unfortunately I don’t have the part numbers anymore. I’ sorry.
@@jakejokerdef no probs thanks for your reply much appreciated
Are they Cone engineering shorty exhausts, and if so how do you like them? I just put them on my 22 ST and I think they are too loud.
No they are Weslake Shorty Pro pipes with the dB killers.
To me with the dB killers they are good. I tried them without the killers and it’s way too loud for me.
great video! How are the breaks doing now? Has the squealing returned?
I have now ridden 8400km and still no squeal from the brakes. I just got a new rear tyre fitted and I had a Street Triple RS for the duration. I was shocked to hear a similar brake squeal from it’s front brake! I’m now wondering is this squeeling thing a Triumph problem or a Brembo issue...
@@jakejokerdef 8400 With this Brakes?
With these not squeeling brakes I have ridden more than 5000km. Total is 8400km.
Hi! Will be interested in report after 500km+ Squel started on mine around 200-300km, cleaned and regreased thouroughly by myself and dealer several times, with not much improvement. Changed to new set of stock disc and pads, ok for 100-300km, then same problem. Going in for 3. pair of stock pads and stock disc on guarentee next week, not very optimistic about that solving the problem. Rear brake, no problem.
Hello, I have ridden 670km as of this morning and a trackday is included in that. No squeal thus far. The brakes actually sound (and feel) different when braking than with the OEM brake pads. I have also ridden in city traffic four times and no squeal with light braking. I will report if the squeal returns. I hope you get rid of the squeal also. Annoying as he** Here is a link to the HH sintered pads I installed. www.britishlegends.fr/en/brake-pads-speed-twin.html
@@jakejokerdef Thanks alot for that quick and thourough response. Will certainly try sinter pads then:) and report back here if problem stays solved. (For the records, my impressions is that both my prior sets started squealing after some hard use, quite the opposite of what I would expect, but could also just be use over time no matter hard braking or not)Thanks!!
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Anyone has a ticking noise in their bonneville front brake? Sounds like a rock in a tire, tick, tick, tick, it goes away when I brake. I even bought oem brake pads but not change.
would have liked to see you actually take the brake pads out.
I will have to put copper on my 22 speed twin. Not squeaking real bad but it does have a minor annoyance.
Hmm so even the new brake setup still has this issue? I thought this issue would have been solved with the new brakes.
@@jakejokerdef Yes, just enough to bother me. I think it started with about 200 miles, and now has 700ish.
Sounds the same as my T120, not a break problem its vibration from the wheel the new modified front wheel has a rubber pad fitted in the hub which stops the squealing Triumph replaced the front wheel and discs.
What year is your T120? Mine is a 2020 and I'm trying to determine if I have that rubber pad already fitted. Thanks.
@@scottroberts4551 yours should have the modified front wheel, mine was a 2016.
really man? whom in the right mind smear grease on their brakes? your brakes only needed a simple cleaning, just that.
and don't forget to put lashings of grease on the soles of your boots for more grip while walking.ha!ha!