@@thatseventiesman3865 Yeah but his main drive is a 2CV... I'm more jealous of his garage - in mine I have three lawnmowers and my wife's car. Best, Pete.
Greetings TMF - I feel the need to comment on this - I love my Speed Twin. I have never had any sound from the front brakes. Ive never felt bothered by the gas cap or transparent front brake fluid reservoir. I do understand the fuel level sender is not an instant mechanical float. & the USA version has heavy duty turn signal arms that will not break if you kick it or bump it getting on or off. I also have the booster plug and the Ducati spacers. The bike is an absolute BLAST to ride! It feels very quick accelerating, exceptionally light, nimble and securely planted leaning over hard into corners. I feel this is the most brilliant standard bike money can buy. I love it. Best Regards, MotoPG
The gas cap is absurd! I've never seen anything like it. I'm thinking of getting a Speed Twin but the gas cap has me thinking twice. I have an Explorer 1200 and the cap you just insert the key and open it. If I had to then deal with a second cap I'd be annoyed.
Good job you didn't start riding in the early 70's, you'd have stopped riding pretty smartish I think. Disc brakes that didn't work in the wet, tyres that didn't grip in the wet, plugs fouling regularly, huge vibration, unreliability, draughty noisy helmets with visors scratching up in 6 weeks etc etc. The bikes were just as expensive as now, considering wages at the time. We called it character, and as it was all we knew and the bikes were a massive improvement from the 60's we loved it. A petrol guage that doesn't tell you you've just filled up until you've done 1/4 mile? How do you cope?
Biscuit Barrel, Totally agree mate. Yokohama gripless tyres. The Dunlop’s weren’t much better. Why did we ride bikes that were feckin dangerous? Because they were tremendous fun!!!
I remember a friends brother around that time saying "if anyone says that British bikes are the best in the world, punch him in the mouth". lol. His bikes spent more time in his shed in pieces than on the road.
This could turn in The Four Yorkshiremen sketch but about motorcycles :) "When I was a lad, we didn't have tyres on our rims, just plain metal" "you were lucky, our rims weren't even round!" "rims, rims, we didn't even have wheels, we had to walk along with the frame between our legs!"
@@karlosh2422 Well of course we had it tough. We used to dream of walking along with t'frame between our legs, would have been luxury to us. Best we could do was hop on one leg with handlebars taped to our arms but it was a bike to us.
The other thing that is annoying is that they put it on the wrong way. It opens in such a way that you have reduced space to fuel. It should be turned 180 degrees so it opens towards the front and leaves all the rest of the space for fueling. An easy thing to change though.
As someone who tends to fill up while sat on the bike this would really get on my nerves. Lift flap toward you, then reach around to get to the real filler cap. Stupid design that cannot have been done by anyone who has ever actually ridden a bike.
When I was a public school principal (headmaster) one responsibility was to identify and mitigate potential hazards: playgrounds, workspaces, classrooms, gymnasiums, school buses, etc. Rather than just depend on professional health and safety officers, I’d also ask a handful of mothers to do a walk around. Without fail, the mothers would identify things the professionals, and myself, would never see. Kinda reminds me of this video. With all the millions of R & D dollars manufacturers spend, the insight of real-world riders remains extremely useful and to disregard always comes at a cost.
Yeah they are a bit cheap feeling. On my Tiger 800 the lens fell off. Unfortunately unlike the old style normal indicators they used you can't just replace the lens and I had to buy a complete indicator.
The way I see it, the whole DRL indicator light arrangement, that seems to get mentioned mention a good deal, makes perfect logical sense, because when it's dark enough to use the headlight, you don't want an indicator light shining in your face affecting your night vision. When it daytime, and you have the DRL on, it does least harm. Just an alternative perspective to consider.
Hey mate this might be 2 years late but I have a Thruxton R and you’re not meant to use the key to twist the cap. You twist it once to unlock, then use the finger indents to twist the cap itself to unscrew. Then you screw back on, and the key is a single twist to lock.
Haha - I was thinking the same thing. As my wife would say about him, "awww, isn't he cute?!". OTOH, when my does something silly, I say, "you're so pretty!". 🤣
1) Squeaky Brakes easily sorted 2) The DRL on my R1200 GS & 765 RS functions in exactly the same way 3) Fuel Cap is the same as on my Scrambler 1200. I just leave the cap unlocked 4) Brake Fluid Reservoir if it offends you then change it. It's no biggie 5) Slow Operating Fuel Gauge I'd be more annoyed if it ran out of fuel still showing 2 bars full 6) Don't kick your indicator For any other problems there is always Gin 👍
I'll admit to being a little nervous when clicking this one as I was worried you'd make me find things to hate about mine, but I'm very happy with your list, because there's nothing at all to worry about! Luckily, my brakes don't squeak. Totally agree with the light indicator being inverted, but if that's the worst thing... I leave my fuel cap unlocked at all times, so this isn't an issue for me. Agree on the brake reservoir and optioned the (expensive) anodised version. The fuel gauge is also a non-issue for me. The one time I don't need a fuel gauge is when I've just filled up! I fitted miniature Motogadget indicators that are invisible when they're not flashing because the stock ones look naff, as you'd say (and I'd probably also kick them off). Love your channel mate. Stay safe!
What Motogadget indicators did you end up ordering? Im not sure which ones are able to be fitted to the Speed Twin in the MG line. Was thinking about these as the Rizoma's I've seen are mega bucks each.
@@MrGuitarboy100 I got the mo.blaze pins (motogadget.com/shop/en/m-blaze-pin.html). These are super bright despite their size. I had to change the resistance but that was easy in the secret menu (hold 'i' button while turning on ignition or something like that, then select the setting that flashes at the correct frequency). I made blanking plates (Dremelled and painted some thin steel) because a single "pin" replaces the double holes that remain after removing stock indicators, but you can buy these for the ST from Tec (www.tecbikeparts.com/product/indicator-adapter-mounts-for-oe-triumph-lights-allows-oe-type-2-hole-indicator-with-tec-tail-tidy/), for example.
@@TheMissendenFlyer And likely to scratch the paintwork with the key, or fob, while unscrewing, and refitting into place. Be careful - which i'm sure you are, (minor OCD, TMF) - when refuelling.
If the fuel cap is locked then it's a piece of piss to unlock with two hands. My Scrambler 1200 is keyless so to save me the hassle of getting the bladed remote out of my pocket to unlock the cap, I leave the cap in the unlocked position. You learn this lesson the first time you fill up 👍
@Bad Santa If you try to lock or unlock the fuel filler cap with one hand, whilst holding a camera in the other, then it's just about doable but a bit of a faff. If you try locking or unlocking using the time honoured method recognised by any sensible human being it no longer becomes an issue. Certainly not one that would make me stress or cause Triumph to lose a sale
i really wanted to keep my Triumph but it too had a loud squeak/chirp but it was the belt that dealership could never fix. when i rode in a group, whenever we slowed to a stop it was so loud everyone would look down at their bike and then look around trying to figure out what the sound was. i just joined them pretending it wasn't my new Triumph. i never understood the fuel gauge delay. no other bike ive owned had such a strange fuel read. and finally, one end of the handlebar was a bit higher than the other and it drove me nuts. something else they claimed they couldn't fix. had to just trade it in and be done.
Nope - wired up totally logically. Light comes on with the DRL as it should - you wouldn't want the green light on at night time to tell you that the dip beam is on. Green warning light means: you only have DRL on.
I agree re: DRL. Brake really hard to get the abs to cut in on the front and that will probably clear the brake pad dust. If not, a dob of copper slip on the back of the pads at the next service will sort that.
Hi TMF,caught you in the latest Bennets torqueing heads video and the biggest compliment I can pay you is you did not look out of place with the other journalists..Liked and thanks as always...stay safe....🏴
Yeap, had the same issue. It may happen during tough braking when it's cold and the pads are cold or in the rain. In case of a real issue, talking out the pads and a piece of sandpaper help.
Really enjoy your honesty TMF. Thanks for taking the time to point out these issues. I must admit I seriously considered this as my next new bike, as I love the look, the handling, and the power of this machine. However, that all changed after I took one for an extended test ride on warm summer"s day in Sydney.... The heat coming from the 1200cc power plant was, let's just say, uncomfortable....
anyone know why sometimes they chose to have the reservoir in a round container with a cap on top and sometimes in an, often rectangular, closed black container? Personally since i see the round container on performance machines it makes me associate the 'cheaper, looking reservoir with faster bikes.
sam The smaller round ones are most of the times external reservoirs for radial brake pumps. The rectangular ones are builtin on regular brake pumps. The radial brake pumps are supposed to have a better brake feel. Haven’t tried one myself yet.
@@TreyyDaMenaceFan Good question! I'm looking at a Brembo plastic reservoir that costs £50. There must be a good reason why track bikes have these so called cheap reservoirs. All I can think of is that they're lightweight, transparent so the fluid can be easily seen, easy to open (fluid has to be changed between races), and simple with few points of failure.
Hi TMF, I could live with most of these dislikes but the front brakes squealing would drive me mad. My GSXS did it for a while and every time I stopped it was like finger nails down a blackboard. I couldn’t stand it. The indicators easily snapping off would also aggravate me. It would be one of those things that you realise could happen and you’ve got it in mind when you’re riding. Then one fine day you stop, dismount and clip the indicator...break it...then swear and curse your way to get your coffee. Should be mounted near the license plate in my humble opinion. Thanks for putting out videos during this covid crap...always good to see you 👍. Cheers.
That petrol gauge winge is a bit hilarious honestly. Why does it matter how quickly it goes up! You know there's a full tank of petrol, you just filled it up 😆
See now I thought exactly the same. After visiting the petrol station, you know it's full up (I never usually do a partial fill up on any vehicle, car or bike ) BUT during lockdown, well we haven't been allowed to make non essential journeys, therefore petrol has been left sitting in my Speed Twin. The current E5 (5% ethanol) petrol can go off quite quick and gum things up. Yes I can use fuel stabiliser, which I had done, but it had been so long I thought best to syphon off the fuel into a jerry can, and put it in the car which at least does a few "essential" journeys. Now with a fuel gauge that has the speed of a sloth on sedative drugs, I really don't know how much is in the tank. I know it's not a lot, but how much ? The gauge just keeps showing much more than I know is really in the tank. My Street Triple suffers from exactly the same issue !
Agreed, the indicators are flimsy. Half of one of mine has disappeared ,put a bit of coppaslip on the back of the pads. It's what they will do at the dealership so why not do it yourself, it works.
But cars and Van's don't have there lights permanently written into law like motorcycles do. I bet triumph have to have it this way round and a light to warn you the DRL is on.
I think just about all EU member states and US & Canada require dipped headlights to be on at all times on motorcycles. DRL only could get you a ticket. And other than for vanity reasons or as parking lights, I really don't see why I would use DRL only.
@@sv650nyc7 I think a DRL is generally brighter than a dipped headlight and doesn't look like it's flashing as you go over bumps in the road. Much safer in my opinion.
Andy, just bear in mind that if you've just filled your tank up you don't really need to be looking at your fuel gauge, surely it's better to have something that's more accurate lol
I bought a 2012 Street Triple in black and gold because I loved your bike, Flyer. Now I'm looking at Speed Twins, and you've sold me on yet another Triumph
Can certainly understand your frustration with the fuel cap situation, would bug me firstly that It’s not one of those Hinge cap style ones and secondly that you have to screw it round 5 times🤣They might as well have just given you a screw driver.
I was so worried seeing this video pop up this morning as I have a 2020 Speed Twin arriving this week! Glad to learn that none of these things are dealbreakers!
Jim Cole - honestly, Jim, I expect you’ll love it when we’re all allowed back out. I’ve had mine a year now and I still have a huge grin when I ride mine. I did change the brake res to the metal one (£70 dealer fit), the fuel cap and gauge never bother me, neither does the drl mentioned, I’ve never heard of the issue with the indicators (just lift your leg a bit higher!!) and on the brakes, I hear some bikes squeal, some don’t - mine does a little, so either do a couple of really good stops when they’re warm (mine stop squealing after that) or take discs off and re-seat them using a dial gauge (agree this is a bit excessive and shouldn’t happen on a premium bike!). Enjoy it when it lands - it’s brilliant!
@@TheMissendenFlyer It was partly your videos that got me interested in the Speed Twin. I must've watched all your Speed Twin videos numerous times. Inquired at my local triumph garage and two test-rides later I bought one! Thankyou for your videos! Always enjoy watching them!
I think you need to do some work on your speedy 1. Sort brakes 2. Turn Monza cap round 3. Change indicators 4. Have patience with gauge 5. Accept lights, why do you need drl when you have dipped beam 6. Change brake reservoir This will keep you busy and stop cabin fever Finally be grateful
I only have two annoyances with mine. First, the kickstand. You need a magnifying glass and a pair of tweezers to find it. Second, buzzy vibrations above 4k rpm. It smoothes out eventually and with a hard mount engine you're going to get "engine feel", but it's pretty buzzy on the runup above 3,500rpms. I might also mention that the mode is supposed to start at the last position you've selected, but mine doesn't. I only ride in "Road" mode, but the engine always starts in "Sport" mode or "Rain" mode, but never in "Road".
I’ve thought about the daytime running lights issue (I have a Speed Twin) - I think it’s more of a warning that you only have the DRL on rather than full (dipped) headlights on for when you ride at night. If the opposite was the case I think it’d be easy to forget to put the lights on full (dipped) beam.
Totally agree with your #3 brake reservoir complaint. I would go one further and ask why do all triumphs come with that little reservoir sticking up there - ugly and waiting to get ripped off. My Honda has a nice aluminum cast reservoir as part of the brake lever. You barely notice it and it’s nicely out of the way so it won’t get smucked if you happen to go down.
Same fuel cap on my scrambler. I rarely lock it, but when I have, I insert the key turn it 180 and remove it. Then unscrew the cap. Much less cumbersome than using the key to unscrew the cap. I think using the key to remove or install the cap will eventually cause damage to lock mechanism and or key.
Re the lights operation - I could be wrong but I understood that it was a legal requirement for the dipped beam to come on with the ignition, so Triumph dont put the DRL's on with he ignition first - has to be dipped beam? But the real question is - why do you need DRL's anyway if you have a dipped beam on all the time, isn't that a DRL?
As i understand, a DRL is basically a new term for fog light and to be treated as such. High visibility and lacking the pattern cut off of night time dips. Dips should be the default setting for any vehicle.
Regarding your comments on the fuel gauge. I've been riding for over 45 years now and own a number of bikes as well. I've always been in the habit of resetting the trip meter whenever I fill the tank. I'm familiar enough with all my bikes to know when I jump on any one of them, how much range I have left by checking the trip meter prior to heading off. Touch wood, I've yet to be caught out. Cheers for the good views.
@@TheMissendenFlyer Faster more spontaneous pace seemed less scripted. Handheld camera movement, pulling back to frame the shot, it has a different look. Thought it was intentional.
I rode a harley many yrs ago my friends electraglide I believe it was huge steered badly and the brakes were shit oh and it was underpowered and sluggish he'd put thousands of aftermarket stuff on including brakes!! I was gobsmacked at how shit it was I'd never buy or own a harley they are just posing machines
Interestingly the squeaky front brakes were the main reason I canceled my order it just shouldn’t happen plus I agree with you about the brake reservoir and fuel cap pretty cheap and nasty for the price you pay for the bike Cheers Chips.
Yes yes.... you just justify your way out of the purchase of a Speed Twin .... my squeak left after bike was run in. Just leave the Speedie for riders who love torque, handling and shooting the breeze with admirers of modern classics. Owning one is a dream.
To remove squealing you apply brake grease on the edges of the caliper pistons, make sure the pads come with metal shims, or change the pads to softer material (the commonly used sintered HH pads are overkill for most riders anyways). Many ways to alleviate squealing brakes for cheap and it can be an issue on any bike. To not buy a bike for that reason seems strange.
Di Korlaet Firstly I own 2 Triumph Motorcycles a 2012 Street Triple R and a 2018 Tiger 800 which are both great bikes plus I also have 3 other bikes which does include a retro as well plus I also ride about 20000km annually so I wasn’t trying to justify not purchasing the bike ,to me when you’re buying a premium brand these sorts of things should not happen and when I started to do a bit of research it seemed to be a problem with the T120 and the Speed Master as well and apparently Triumph didn’t want to know about it when people complained which I thought was pretty ordinary that’s why I didn’t go through with the purchase.
Andy love your work mate keep it up, from Brisbane Australia. I have just bought a speed twin (traded up from the street cup) and after 3000km including some touring I love the bike, and your reviews definitely gave some great insights into the pros & cons. I have already put the V&H cans on and a Dart flyscreen is on order to help a bit with touring. I noted your comment on the rear indicators, and just wanted to let you know that I have installed a ventura rack (EVO) which is a very simple DIY install, and allows a range of luggage from 10litres up to 60 litres. The reason I mention it is that the rack totally protects the rear indicators, apart from the benefits of taking some gear on longer rides. Anyway, keep up the good work and stay safe. Cheers Jim
I always delete my rear indicators anyway and install a integrated tail light on all my bikes. My old speed triple had a lot of those same faults minus the fuel cap issue. My wife will be test riding the speed twin and sv650 this weekend.
In the US, motorcycle headlights are always on by default, and I've never owned a bike that had a switch to turn the lights on. By this logic, it's probable we don't get an option for daytime running lights. This may explain why the daytime running indicator light is reverse to what you'd expect. Otherwise owners in markets that have "always on" headlights would be seeing that green light all the time unless the high beams are on.
Made in Thailand 😂 love my old SE am tempted to switch to a newer model. The new street twin with improved brakes etc looks promising and might be a good chill option for me. I always find get the second gen of new models , quirks ironed out 😁
Lots of passion in this video. The next The Top 6 Things I lurve about my Triumph Speed Twin. The fuel filler cap would be the thing, like with TMF, that would also push me over the edge.
Little tip M.F. keep a eye on that clutch cable not rubbing on the wiring loom . A lot of Triumph owners still having issues with wiring loom after they have had bracket mod done by Triumph ,so much so some owners taking the clutch cable out of the top and bottom bracket to stop the rubbing .This is going to bite Triumph in the rear . On another note Motone customs do a sensible petrol cap non locking ,makes things so much easier. Go steady.
I have a 2022 Speed Twin, and I like this channel a lot! I have different quibbles with the bike. First, the good news: the Brembo M50 are excellent and they don't squeal. I don't care much for the fuel cap (the plastic one feels a bit cheap), the brake fluid tank (I actually like that it's all clear), or the slow fuel gauge. The light switches are different on my US model, so that doesn't apply; and indicators are different now. Let's talk instead about the *real* flaws of the bike, in order of importance. FIRST: the tank capacity. 3.8 gallons is way, way too small. 120-130miles range (including reserve) is just unacceptable for travelers and commuters alike. Besides, the tank feels and looks too small. Add a gallon, please. SECOND: the heat. The engine really, really heats up too much. I also have a Tuono 1100, and that bike doesn't heat as much! This is Panigale-level stuff. Nothing that can be done about this. THIRD: the standard saddle. It's a friggin' wooden plank. The optional saddle is better and also better-looking. They could have that one standard, and maybe charge $50 more, and everyone would be happier. FOURTH: no cruise control? Really?? It's a $50 add-on. A switch and some standard injection electronics. Even sport bikes have it (again my Tuono does), and they are not meant for traveling. FIFTH: the rear suspension. It's just not great. It feels underdamped. SIXTH: engaging the side stand is hard, esp. with a boot; annoying. Summing up: every bike has shortcomings and so does the Speed Twin. If you add mine and yours, that is quite a few. For me, however, only the first one is a mortal sin. The second one is very annoying but ok. The others are either minor or they can be remedied. It's a positive sign that Triumph has already improved suspension and brakes. Others will come.
Rather disappointed by your post Mr Flyer. ‘Hate’ is such an emotive word, meaning intense or extreme feeling. What you are referring to are niggles or general dislikes. Nothing is perfect even on top quality machines like your speed twin.
Copper grease lightly smeared on the back of the brake pad and/or anti-squeal shim is proper, it should be there to allow the pad to slide on the piston, and it stops squeaking.
You don’t want that green light in your peripheral vision at night, that’s why it’s the DRL indicator because in the day it’s not annoying. Unfortunately we don’t even get that option in the US bc it’s illegal, so that switch is missing (on my Tiger 800 XRT as well) and the dip beam is always on until you activate high beam.
Agree with most of your points there. Regarding the clocks though, what I also find annoying is that the odometer and the time cannot be seen together. You have to scroll through to either see the mileage or see the time. There is a small display on both the speedo and the tach so why not separate these two and have the mileage on the speedo and the clock on the tach? I have never had squeeky brakes on my Thruxton though.
I had a squeaky front caliper on my 1990 Moto Guzzi Le Mans. Brembo brakes also. I bought the bike new and tried everything, including lubricating the disc pad backing plate and changing the disc pads. I finally gave up and learnt to live with it. I owned and loved the bike for 11 years.
I agree totally with your six gripes. A premium priced machine should have premium parts. Triumph have a bit of a reputation for this sort of thing. How about a similar video about your RE Interceptor?
My least favroite thing is that you can't adjust the rear shock without removing the muffler. Also, stock LED headlights and self cancelling turn signals would be nice at a $13k price point. I'm glad to hear that the issue with the fuel guage isn't limited to just my bike.
My front brakes squeak but I need new brake pads soon. And the disk are eight years old but still okay. I agree with you about the lights. The fuel cap might danger your family jewels at a crash which I hope you’ll never have. I would hate the position of the mirrors. I want them further forward.
I hate indicators in general, they always look out of place but the original old flex mounted ones that were fitted to older bikes were far less likely to snap off than any of the after market replacements I've tried. I bought some neat little replacements from a big online parts shop and kept snapping the rear ones by bumping into them when the bike was on the stand and knocking them with my foot when getting on and off ! Replacing broken ones every couple of weeks became very irritating and I never realised just how much abuse indicators get. If I need to get replacements in future I will look for some with flexible mounts or flexible arms because that's what is on my current bike and they have taken a lot of damage and abuse but never broken.
Most people commenting here clearly haven't watched your many previous videos to understand whey you do the "x things I hate about y" videos. Neither do they listen when you say "I know you can add copperslip but should you have to ...?". I have and hence I appreciate the content. Keep it up!
It better be good, I’ve just placed an order on a used one (1,000 miles) and it will be my return to bikes after an 8 year hiatus, can’t wait till it’s delivered! Keep up the good work Andy. You need to do more reviews on your biking gear.
i had the pleasure of riding one of these last year when my bike was being serviced. It was a wet day and my feet kept slipping on the foot rests which put me right off.
I believe the US version, this is corrected. Turning the bike on, the DRL is active, and we have to toggle the high beams using the switch. US 2022 speed twin here.
After two weeks ownership....poor headlight... makes Night time riding a chore. Gearing far too low. Ordered a 39 tooth rear sprocket for a less (7.7%) frantic feel and a little more time in each gear,to enjoy the torque etc. Squeeling front brake,as mentioned here. Absolutely love the bike,and enjoying rectifying the minor annoyances. Bike benefited a lot from fuel booster,performance air filter,throttle spacer and de-cat exhaust system. Fly screen and possibly a single pannier to follow. Love the videos 👍
The squeaky brakes thing would bother me the most. You may have re-ignited the CoppaSlip argument....yes or no? All i should say is, i have been using it for years (just a tiny smear on the rim of the caliper piston) and it works for me
@@TheMissendenFlyer If that was to my Freudian slip comment. Well I wondered if you were inferring you're not competent to play with the brakes :-D :-D :-D :-D
My 2016 Triumph Street Twin gas indicator sometimes doesn't show me the right gas amount after I fill until I shut the bike off and turn it back on again. It must be a Triumph thing or a Street Twin thing. I find it odd but it doesn't bother me much. I use it all the time and never had an issue where I ran out of gas because it was wrong. This only happens after a fill-up. But I'd say it happens at least 50% of the time.
I just looked at one of these at the dealer. Didn’t see a whole lot I wasn’t pleased by. No counting miles anymore? No worrying about power slides in rain? I’m used to old school bikes where nothing is controlled and your hand controlled the ride you want.
I have the identical bike and when I saw that you were going to list the negatives, I was really curious whether I'd agree. I completely agree about the fuel cap. I am so tired of reading references to the "Monza fuel cap" when it isn't a Monza fuel cap at all, but fake covering a cheap plastic cap. The squeaky brakes are a problem mentioned by all owners and one for which there is no excuse. I had the same fuel gauge issue with my Moto Guzzi V7, so I am used to it, and I have the US version of the Speed Twin so I have different taillight and indicators -- which I've replace (the US version is really ugly). The plastic reservoir is an issue on a LOT of bikes; I've even seen high end customs with the crappy reservoirs -- it's a mystery to me.
I have scrembler 1200 and as long as I'm aware, the fuel cap is the same on both bikes. Mine has never given me any problem, twist the key for about 90 degrees and then twist the cap in the opposite direction
My main gripe is it's looks...great from the outside then you open it and there's this plastic thing underneath - even my el cheapo Royal Enfield costing half the price has a better quality fuel cap...
I agree with the light's, my Ducati 1100 Scrambler is the right way around as you would know having riden one. There is also a setting (which I have turned off) that automatically puts dipped main light on and off depending on light. 😊
my 2020 tiger takes ages to register added fuel. My fuel light was on yesterday, with 35 miles to empty, and I filled er up. The light went off straight away, but the range crept up one out two miles at a time, all the way up to around 200. 5 mins down the road it still showed a less than a quarter tank. I get the fuel sloshes around, so it makes sense to dampen the response a tad, but not five minutes.
Question: when I drive my brand new bike, I can hear the disc brakes rotating, sounds like they press against the braking pad. Is this common? Just the sound, doesnt feel it in any other way.
I have a Tiger XRT and yes, it has the annoying squealing discs. The DRL indicator is the same as this, but that doesn't bother me. I am bemused about the fuel gauge 'gripping' you as it does - you've just filled up - you know what's in the tank, so why are you paying it any attention whatsoever? Yes, the filler cap and the flimsy indicator stalks would definitely get my goat though!
I have a Thruxton R and agree about the brake reservoir. My biggest annoyance with it as maybe with the rest of the line is I wish the rider mode would stay selected. You stop for lunch or gas and you have to set it back to sport or rain if that’s your selection.
I've got one from Triumph UK at the moment (for much longer than planned too). That fuel cap bamboozled the heck out of me the first time I filled up. Why? Why did they do this?! Good video TMF.
The slow-responding fuel level gauge seems to be common to many Triumphs. I had the same issue with my Tiger Explorer - sometimes it would take 5 minutes to get the message that I had filled up several miles ago!
Fuel cap on my Yamaha Radian is flush mount works great looks cool and does not interfere with a tank bag. Nostalgia is one thing but some stuff is just a no brainer like ABS and modern tires...fuel injection. If it was easy to do back in the day they would have flush mounted the cap methinks...
Try riding an older R1200RT. Fuel strips are always failing/misreading. Sometimes my "miles until empty" increases as I ride, and after filling up, it takes about 30 miles to register correctly. Hence I just ignore the whole fuel gauge as it cannot be trusted.
Put copper based grease on the back of the pads - not a lot, just smear with your finger. It's a standard process for me and has been for 20 years. It solves the annoying squeak from your brakes 100%.
Four of the issues you mention also apply to T120 and Thruxton R. I don't get the brake squeal on my Thruxton but I did on the T120. Also the indicators are different on the T120 and Thruxton, I've not had a problem. It's obviously horses for courses as I like the Monza fuel cap and don't find the lights an issue.
The one thing I hate about it is that you have one and I don’t.
He does sound a bit spoiled doesn't he? Showing 3 of his quite new looking bikes to us ;)
@@thatseventiesman3865 Yeah but his main drive is a 2CV... I'm more jealous of his garage - in mine I have three lawnmowers and my wife's car. Best, Pete.
True
Same here...lols.
I think the person who told him to add a dab of grease to his break pads was also feeling a bit jealous 🤣
I’m going to go ride my faulty Triumph. The forecast is for 97% fewer texting drivers trying to kill me.
Greetings TMF -
I feel the need to comment on this - I love my Speed Twin. I have never had any sound from the front brakes. Ive never felt bothered by the gas cap or transparent front brake fluid reservoir. I do understand the fuel level sender is not an instant mechanical float. & the USA version has heavy duty turn signal arms that will not break if you kick it or bump it getting on or off. I also have the booster plug and the Ducati spacers. The bike is an absolute BLAST to ride! It feels very quick accelerating, exceptionally light, nimble and securely planted leaning over hard into corners. I feel this is the most brilliant standard bike money can buy. I love it.
Best Regards,
MotoPG
The gas cap is absurd! I've never seen anything like it. I'm thinking of getting a Speed Twin but the gas cap has me thinking twice. I have an Explorer 1200 and the cap you just insert the key and open it. If I had to then deal with a second cap I'd be annoyed.
Have you noticed any excessive heat from the engine by any chance?
Everyone should come up with a top 5 list of pros and cons just to maintain our objectivity. Thanks for sharing yours.
Good job you didn't start riding in the early 70's, you'd have stopped riding pretty smartish I think. Disc brakes that didn't work in the wet, tyres that didn't grip in the wet, plugs fouling regularly, huge vibration, unreliability, draughty noisy helmets with visors scratching up in 6 weeks etc etc. The bikes were just as expensive as now, considering wages at the time. We called it character, and as it was all we knew and the bikes were a massive improvement from the 60's we loved it. A petrol guage that doesn't tell you you've just filled up until you've done 1/4 mile? How do you cope?
Biscuit Barrel, Totally agree mate. Yokohama gripless tyres. The Dunlop’s weren’t much better. Why did we ride bikes that were feckin dangerous? Because they were tremendous fun!!!
I remember a friends brother around that time saying "if anyone says that British bikes are the best in the world, punch him in the mouth". lol. His bikes spent more time in his shed in pieces than on the road.
This could turn in The Four Yorkshiremen sketch but about motorcycles :)
"When I was a lad, we didn't have tyres on our rims, just plain metal"
"you were lucky, our rims weren't even round!"
"rims, rims, we didn't even have wheels, we had to walk along with the frame between our legs!"
@@karlosh2422 Well of course we had it tough. We used to dream of walking along with t'frame between our legs, would have been luxury to us. Best we could do was hop on one leg with handlebars taped to our arms but it was a bike to us.
@@karlosh2422 excellent contribution, you have won todays internet.
That fuel cap is ridiculous - that would drive me nuts!
Hahaha. Turn the key then unscrew the cap. Don’t use the key to unscrew. Hahahaha British people.
Hahahahahaaaaa
The other thing that is annoying is that they put it on the wrong way. It opens in such a way that you have reduced space to fuel. It should be turned 180 degrees so it opens towards the front and leaves all the rest of the space for fueling. An easy thing to change though.
@@AndresArrieta They are easy to turn 180, I changed it around on my Thruxton
As someone who tends to fill up while sat on the bike this would really get on my nerves. Lift flap toward you, then reach around to get to the real filler cap. Stupid design that cannot have been done by anyone who has ever actually ridden a bike.
When I was a public school principal (headmaster) one responsibility was to identify and mitigate potential hazards: playgrounds, workspaces, classrooms, gymnasiums, school buses, etc. Rather than just depend on professional health and safety officers, I’d also ask a handful of mothers to do a walk around. Without fail, the mothers would identify things the professionals, and myself, would never see. Kinda reminds me of this video. With all the millions of R & D dollars manufacturers spend, the insight of real-world riders remains extremely useful and to disregard always comes at a cost.
Can those mothers have a look at the 2020 Street Triple TFT styles?
Agree about the broken indicator should be more bendy than breaky :-)
Yeah they are a bit cheap feeling. On my Tiger 800 the lens fell off. Unfortunately unlike the old style normal indicators they used you can't just replace the lens and I had to buy a complete indicator.
At Triumph prices there is no excuse for this
The squeak about the break you need to get a life if that’s the biggest thing that you’re whining about I bet your wife thanks you’re a piece of shit
The way I see it, the whole DRL indicator light arrangement, that seems to get mentioned mention a good deal, makes perfect logical sense, because when it's dark enough to use the headlight, you don't want an indicator light shining in your face affecting your night vision. When it daytime, and you have the DRL on, it does least harm. Just an alternative perspective to consider.
Hey mate this might be 2 years late but I have a Thruxton R and you’re not meant to use the key to twist the cap. You twist it once to unlock, then use the finger indents to twist the cap itself to unscrew. Then you screw back on, and the key is a single twist to lock.
Indeed….
Haha - I was thinking the same thing.
As my wife would say about him, "awww, isn't he cute?!".
OTOH, when my does something silly, I say, "you're so pretty!". 🤣
1) Squeaky Brakes easily sorted
2) The DRL on my R1200 GS & 765 RS functions in exactly the same way
3) Fuel Cap is the same as on my Scrambler 1200. I just leave the cap unlocked
4) Brake Fluid Reservoir if it offends you then change it. It's no biggie
5) Slow Operating Fuel Gauge I'd be more annoyed if it ran out of fuel still showing 2 bars full
6) Don't kick your indicator
For any other problems there is always Gin 👍
Well said....agree totally....
I'll admit to being a little nervous when clicking this one as I was worried you'd make me find things to hate about mine, but I'm very happy with your list, because there's nothing at all to worry about!
Luckily, my brakes don't squeak.
Totally agree with the light indicator being inverted, but if that's the worst thing...
I leave my fuel cap unlocked at all times, so this isn't an issue for me.
Agree on the brake reservoir and optioned the (expensive) anodised version.
The fuel gauge is also a non-issue for me. The one time I don't need a fuel gauge is when I've just filled up!
I fitted miniature Motogadget indicators that are invisible when they're not flashing because the stock ones look naff, as you'd say (and I'd probably also kick them off).
Love your channel mate. Stay safe!
What Motogadget indicators did you end up ordering? Im not sure which ones are able to be fitted to the Speed Twin in the MG line. Was thinking about these as the Rizoma's I've seen are mega bucks each.
@@MrGuitarboy100 I got the mo.blaze pins (motogadget.com/shop/en/m-blaze-pin.html). These are super bright despite their size. I had to change the resistance but that was easy in the secret menu (hold 'i' button while turning on ignition or something like that, then select the setting that flashes at the correct frequency).
I made blanking plates (Dremelled and painted some thin steel) because a single "pin" replaces the double holes that remain after removing stock indicators, but you can buy these for the ST from Tec (www.tecbikeparts.com/product/indicator-adapter-mounts-for-oe-triumph-lights-allows-oe-type-2-hole-indicator-with-tec-tail-tidy/), for example.
That fuel cap would do me in totally.
That unscrewing , I couldn't even watch it on the video.
My OCD can't cope.
Yes rubbish design those....
@@TheMissendenFlyer And likely to scratch the paintwork with the key, or fob, while unscrewing, and refitting into place. Be careful - which i'm sure you are, (minor OCD, TMF) - when refuelling.
If the fuel cap is locked then it's a piece of piss to unlock with two hands. My Scrambler 1200 is keyless so to save me the hassle of getting the bladed remote out of my pocket to unlock the cap, I leave the cap in the unlocked position. You learn this lesson the first time you fill up 👍
the fuel cap is not a problem if you open it properly.
@Bad Santa If you try to lock or unlock the fuel filler cap with one hand, whilst holding a camera in the other, then it's just about doable but a bit of a faff. If you try locking or unlocking using the time honoured method recognised by any sensible human being it no longer becomes an issue. Certainly not one that would make me stress or cause Triumph to lose a sale
i really wanted to keep my Triumph but it too had a loud squeak/chirp but it was the belt that dealership could never fix. when i rode in a group, whenever we slowed to a stop it was so loud everyone would look down at their bike and then look around trying to figure out what the sound was. i just joined them pretending it wasn't my new Triumph. i never understood the fuel gauge delay. no other bike ive owned had such a strange fuel read. and finally, one end of the handlebar was a bit higher than the other and it drove me nuts. something else they claimed they couldn't fix. had to just trade it in and be done.
Sounds like you had a dud!
Small things but you are spot on with the daytime/dipped headlight wiring. They ARE wired up wrong if your brain's wired up right :)))
Nope - wired up totally logically. Light comes on with the DRL as it should - you wouldn't want the green light on at night time to tell you that the dip beam is on. Green warning light means: you only have DRL on.
I agree re: DRL. Brake really hard to get the abs to cut in on the front and that will probably clear the brake pad dust. If not, a dob of copper slip on the back of the pads at the next service will sort that.
Gee whiz TMF, you really were in a bit of a mood when you recorded that! It came through very clearly. Is the lockdown getting to you?
How can he not be in a mood. It is almost May, and no riding!
@@CCitis I'm in Colorado where motorsports are considered essential!
@@CCitis , excellent point! :-)
@@i2ambler2002 Here in FL, its pretty much a year around. If you're one that loves rain riding.
Hi TMF,caught you in the latest Bennets torqueing heads video and the biggest compliment I can pay you is you did not look out of place with the other journalists..Liked and thanks as always...stay safe....🏴
That's very kind Ian - although I have no desire (and never have) to be a motorcycle journalist!
The front brake's glazed fella, do a couple of 'heavy' stops using the front brake to break the glaze and the squeak will go
Dave Blakeney agree - it works on mine!
@@mickcresswell1031 Yup, squeak gone here also!
Mine doesn't squeek ?
nope. tried that with mine a million times, does not work. squeaked from day one. but now the brake disc seems to be warped as a bonus. fun.
Yeap, had the same issue. It may happen during tough braking when it's cold and the pads are cold or in the rain. In case of a real issue, talking out the pads and a piece of sandpaper help.
Really enjoy your honesty TMF. Thanks for taking the time to point out these issues. I must admit I seriously considered this as my next new bike, as I love the look, the handling, and the power of this machine. However, that all changed after I took one for an extended test ride on warm summer"s day in Sydney.... The heat coming from the 1200cc power plant was, let's just say, uncomfortable....
Funnily enough I’ve never had an issue with that - but then I also ride a Panigale!
TheMissendenFlyer can you please send me a link to the asbestos underwear you must wear. 😉😂 😂 Stay safe my friend!
I use a similar thing! ruclips.net/video/2hEw4RZq8fs/видео.html
The brake reservoir is not only cheap looking, it looks like it obscures some of the speedo.
Change the handle bars
anyone know why sometimes they chose to have the reservoir in a round container with a cap on top and sometimes in an, often rectangular, closed black container? Personally since i see the round container on performance machines it makes me associate the 'cheaper, looking reservoir with faster bikes.
sam The smaller round ones are most of the times external reservoirs for radial brake pumps. The rectangular ones are builtin on regular brake pumps. The radial brake pumps are supposed to have a better brake feel. Haven’t tried one myself yet.
@@TreyyDaMenaceFan Good question! I'm looking at a Brembo plastic reservoir that costs £50. There must be a good reason why track bikes have these so called cheap reservoirs.
All I can think of is that they're lightweight, transparent so the fluid can be easily seen, easy to open (fluid has to be changed between races), and simple with few points of failure.
Hi TMF,
I could live with most of these dislikes but the front brakes squealing would drive me mad. My GSXS did it for a while and every time I stopped it was like finger nails down a blackboard. I couldn’t stand it.
The indicators easily snapping off would also aggravate me. It would be one of those things that you realise could happen and you’ve got it in mind when you’re riding. Then one fine day you stop, dismount and clip the indicator...break it...then swear and curse your way to get your coffee. Should be mounted near the license plate in my humble opinion.
Thanks for putting out videos during this covid crap...always good to see you 👍.
Cheers.
Thank you Peter - to be honest the brake squeal isn’t thaaaat bad, just an annoyance when it happens....
That petrol gauge winge is a bit hilarious honestly. Why does it matter how quickly it goes up! You know there's a full tank of petrol, you just filled it up 😆
OCD works in mysterious ways.
Hate dige fuel gauge in block units
It’s a minor gripe but it just annoys me when it doesn’t need to happen....
It's a good job he's not got the 1992 trident the fuel light came on after quarter of a mile on a 25 LTE tank
See now I thought exactly the same. After visiting the petrol station, you know it's full up (I never usually do a partial fill up on any vehicle, car or bike ) BUT during lockdown, well we haven't been allowed to make non essential journeys, therefore petrol has been left sitting in my Speed Twin. The current E5 (5% ethanol) petrol can go off quite quick and gum things up. Yes I can use fuel stabiliser, which I had done, but it had been so long I thought best to syphon off the fuel into a jerry can, and put it in the car which at least does a few "essential" journeys.
Now with a fuel gauge that has the speed of a sloth on sedative drugs, I really don't know how much is in the tank. I know it's not a lot, but how much ? The gauge just keeps showing much more than I know is really in the tank.
My Street Triple suffers from exactly the same issue !
Agreed, the indicators are flimsy. Half of one of mine has disappeared ,put a bit of coppaslip on the back of the pads. It's what they will do at the dealership so why not do it yourself, it works.
I daren't fiddle with my brakes....
I agree only the daylight running lights should come on. That is how it works in cars and vans. Surely a simple fix
But cars and Van's don't have there lights permanently written into law like motorcycles do. I bet triumph have to have it this way round and a light to warn you the DRL is on.
I think just about all EU member states and US & Canada require dipped headlights to be on at all times on motorcycles. DRL only could get you a ticket. And other than for vanity reasons or as parking lights, I really don't see why I would use DRL only.
Can't the switch just have the wires flipped?
@@sv650nyc7 I think a DRL is generally brighter than a dipped headlight and doesn't look like it's flashing as you go over bumps in the road. Much safer in my opinion.
@@simonrichards5430 I don't think it's a proper switch and the default will always be the dipped headlight.
Rode the speed twin one week ago and loved every second on it. It took me by surprise how good it felt to ride this bike.
Andy, just bear in mind that if you've just filled your tank up you don't really need to be looking at your fuel gauge, surely it's better to have something that's more accurate lol
I bought a 2012 Street Triple in black and gold because I loved your bike, Flyer. Now I'm looking at Speed Twins, and you've sold me on yet another Triumph
I actually think I prefer my Speed Twin to ride than the Street Triple - though I prefer the looks of the Street….
Can certainly understand your frustration with the fuel cap situation, would bug me firstly that It’s not one of those Hinge cap style ones and secondly that you have to screw it round 5 times🤣They might as well have just given you a screw driver.
I was so worried seeing this video pop up this morning as I have a 2020 Speed Twin arriving this week! Glad to learn that none of these things are dealbreakers!
Certainly not, it's a brilliant bike and you'll love owning it - congratulations!
Jim Cole - honestly, Jim, I expect you’ll love it when we’re all allowed back out. I’ve had mine a year now and I still have a huge grin when I ride mine. I did change the brake res to the metal one (£70 dealer fit), the fuel cap and gauge never bother me, neither does the drl mentioned, I’ve never heard of the issue with the indicators (just lift your leg a bit higher!!) and on the brakes, I hear some bikes squeal, some don’t - mine does a little, so either do a couple of really good stops when they’re warm (mine stop squealing after that) or take discs off and re-seat them using a dial gauge (agree this is a bit excessive and shouldn’t happen on a premium bike!). Enjoy it when it lands - it’s brilliant!
@@TheMissendenFlyer It was partly your videos that got me interested in the Speed Twin. I must've watched all your Speed Twin videos numerous times. Inquired at my local triumph garage and two test-rides later I bought one!
Thankyou for your videos! Always enjoy watching them!
I think you need to do some work on your speedy
1. Sort brakes
2. Turn Monza cap round
3. Change indicators
4. Have patience with gauge
5. Accept lights, why do you need drl when you have dipped beam
6. Change brake reservoir
This will keep you busy and stop cabin fever
Finally be grateful
I only have two annoyances with mine. First, the kickstand. You need a magnifying glass and a pair of tweezers to find it. Second, buzzy vibrations above 4k rpm. It smoothes out eventually and with a hard mount engine you're going to get "engine feel", but it's pretty buzzy on the runup above 3,500rpms. I might also mention that the mode is supposed to start at the last position you've selected, but mine doesn't. I only ride in "Road" mode, but the engine always starts in "Sport" mode or "Rain" mode, but never in "Road".
That’s odd, William, I never get any buzz on my bike.
I’ve thought about the daytime running lights issue (I have a Speed Twin) - I think it’s more of a warning that you only have the DRL on rather than full (dipped) headlights on for when you ride at night. If the opposite was the case I think it’d be easy to forget to put the lights on full (dipped) beam.
What the hell is a dipped headlight?
@@holdencaulfied7492 Just what it says: the headlamp beam is dipped, not on full (raised) beam. Perhaps we're suffering from translation loss?
@@gerrycollins2335 Must be a British term. Go Manchester United!
Totally agree with your #3 brake reservoir complaint. I would go one further and ask why do all triumphs come with that little reservoir sticking up there - ugly and waiting to get ripped off. My Honda has a nice aluminum cast reservoir as part of the brake lever. You barely notice it and it’s nicely out of the way so it won’t get smucked if you happen to go down.
I guess we know who scuffs all the saddlebags at the dealership.
Same fuel cap on my scrambler. I rarely lock it, but when I have, I insert the key turn it 180 and remove it. Then unscrew the cap. Much less cumbersome than using the key to unscrew the cap. I think using the key to remove or install the cap will eventually cause damage to lock mechanism and or key.
Indeed - I struggled because I was doing it one handed and left hand at that - I made it look worse than it is actually!
My Tuono doesn't even have a fuel guage.
I hope Triumph listen to you and sort these things out.
That would be nice...but I'm not holding my breath!!
Somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning!
naff (UK slang): poorly thought out; in poor taste.
your workbench looks very clean !
Re the lights operation - I could be wrong but I understood that it was a legal requirement for the dipped beam to come on with the ignition, so Triumph dont put the DRL's on with he ignition first - has to be dipped beam?
But the real question is - why do you need DRL's anyway if you have a dipped beam on all the time, isn't that a DRL?
Yes you may be right on the legalities and I agree! Other than looking cool what is the point of a DRL??
As i understand, a DRL is basically a new term for fog light and to be treated as such. High visibility and lacking the pattern cut off of night time dips.
Dips should be the default setting for any vehicle.
I am also with you on the fuel meter thing. In 2020? Ridiculous.
My 2010 Sprint 1050 does the same.....freaked me out when I first filled it up.
Regarding your comments on the fuel gauge. I've been riding for over 45 years now and own a number of bikes as well. I've always been in the habit of resetting the trip meter whenever I fill the tank. I'm familiar enough with all my bikes to know when I jump on any one of them, how much range I have left by checking the trip meter prior to heading off. Touch wood, I've yet to be caught out. Cheers for the good views.
Yeah I do that too - it's just annoying when there's no need for the fuel gauge to be so sluggish...
I sense "cabin fever" taking hold TMF??.......OR are "Top five things I LOVE about my Triumph Speed Twin " coming next??
...already done that one Iain - you must have missed it...
@@TheMissendenFlyer oh........my bad! I will look. All the best TMF
You're experimenting with a more dynamic filming style. I like it.
Err am I? Great - glad you like it Bill!!!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Faster more spontaneous pace seemed less scripted. Handheld camera movement, pulling back to frame the shot, it has a different look. Thought it was intentional.
And the one thing you like about the Triumph is it's not a Harley!😁
I rode a harley many yrs ago my friends electraglide I believe it was huge steered badly and the brakes were shit oh and it was underpowered and sluggish he'd put thousands of aftermarket stuff on including brakes!! I was gobsmacked at how shit it was I'd never buy or own a harley they are just posing machines
I agree the lights are back to front. Personally I'd always go for transparent plastic reservoirs so I can see if I'm likely to crash any time soon!
Interestingly the squeaky front brakes were the main reason I canceled my order it just shouldn’t happen plus I agree with you about the brake reservoir and fuel cap pretty cheap and nasty for the price you pay for the bike Cheers Chips.
Yes yes.... you just justify your way out of the purchase of a Speed Twin .... my squeak left after bike was run in. Just leave the Speedie for riders who love torque, handling and shooting the breeze with admirers of modern classics. Owning one is a dream.
To remove squealing you apply brake grease on the edges of the caliper pistons, make sure the pads come with metal shims, or change the pads to softer material (the commonly used sintered HH pads are overkill for most riders anyways). Many ways to alleviate squealing brakes for cheap and it can be an issue on any bike. To not buy a bike for that reason seems strange.
Di Korlaet Firstly I own 2 Triumph Motorcycles a 2012 Street Triple R and a 2018 Tiger 800 which are both great bikes plus I also have 3 other bikes which does include a retro as well plus I also ride about 20000km annually so I wasn’t trying to justify not purchasing the bike ,to me when you’re buying a premium brand these sorts of things should not happen and when I started to do a bit of research it seemed to be a problem with the T120 and the Speed Master as well and apparently Triumph didn’t want to know about it when people complained which I thought was pretty ordinary that’s why I didn’t go through with the purchase.
Andy love your work mate keep it up, from Brisbane Australia. I have just bought a speed twin (traded up from the street cup) and after 3000km including some touring I love the bike, and your reviews definitely gave some great insights into the pros & cons. I have already put the V&H cans on and a Dart flyscreen is on order to help a bit with touring.
I noted your comment on the rear indicators, and just wanted to let you know that I have installed a ventura rack (EVO) which is a very simple DIY install, and allows a range of luggage from 10litres up to 60 litres. The reason I mention it is that the rack totally protects the rear indicators, apart from the benefits of taking some gear on longer rides.
Anyway, keep up the good work and stay safe. Cheers Jim
Cheers Jim - good call!
Try getting out the other side of the bed tomorrow TMF😀
I always delete my rear indicators anyway and install a integrated tail light on all my bikes. My old speed triple had a lot of those same faults minus the fuel cap issue. My wife will be test riding the speed twin and sv650 this weekend.
I hope Stuart fillingham doesn’t see this 😮
Why?
TheMissendenFlyer haha only joking, just loves his triumphs!
@@GadgetMart Stuart now seems to be saying Triumph's are overpriced compared to his RE Interceptor. Although I guess he still loves them.
Surely he doesn't watch TMF.
splodge 57 he does he was bitching a week or so ago suggesting Andy was out making videos during the lockdown, stupid old fart.
In the US, motorcycle headlights are always on by default, and I've never owned a bike that had a switch to turn the lights on. By this logic, it's probable we don't get an option for daytime running lights. This may explain why the daytime running indicator light is reverse to what you'd expect. Otherwise owners in markets that have "always on" headlights would be seeing that green light all the time unless the high beams are on.
Made in Thailand 😂 love my old SE am tempted to switch to a newer model. The new street twin with improved brakes etc looks promising and might be a good chill option for me. I always find get the second gen of new models , quirks ironed out 😁
Yes, glorious Thailand made bike making it very good value in Canada. Feels premium ....love mine......
Lots of passion in this video. The next The Top 6 Things I lurve about my Triumph Speed Twin. The fuel filler cap would be the thing, like with TMF, that would also push me over the edge.
I made that video a while back!
@@TheMissendenFlyer And it was good, no fakery involved.
When it's a 'premium machine'? You believed the salesman selling you that Thailand built thing then I take it? lol!
Little tip M.F. keep a eye on that clutch cable not rubbing on the wiring loom . A lot of Triumph owners still having issues with wiring loom after they have had bracket mod done by Triumph ,so much so some owners taking the clutch cable out of the top and bottom bracket to stop the rubbing .This is going to bite Triumph in the rear . On another note Motone customs do a sensible petrol cap non locking ,makes things so much easier. Go steady.
Thanks, will do!
Is it me or is it his old age kicking in 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I have a 2022 Speed Twin, and I like this channel a lot! I have different quibbles with the bike. First, the good news: the Brembo M50 are excellent and they don't squeal. I don't care much for the fuel cap (the plastic one feels a bit cheap), the brake fluid tank (I actually like that it's all clear), or the slow fuel gauge. The light switches are different on my US model, so that doesn't apply; and indicators are different now. Let's talk instead about the *real* flaws of the bike, in order of importance.
FIRST: the tank capacity. 3.8 gallons is way, way too small. 120-130miles range (including reserve) is just unacceptable for travelers and commuters alike. Besides, the tank feels and looks too small. Add a gallon, please.
SECOND: the heat. The engine really, really heats up too much. I also have a Tuono 1100, and that bike doesn't heat as much! This is Panigale-level stuff. Nothing that can be done about this.
THIRD: the standard saddle. It's a friggin' wooden plank. The optional saddle is better and also better-looking. They could have that one standard, and maybe charge $50 more, and everyone would be happier.
FOURTH: no cruise control? Really?? It's a $50 add-on. A switch and some standard injection electronics. Even sport bikes have it (again my Tuono does), and they are not meant for traveling.
FIFTH: the rear suspension. It's just not great. It feels underdamped.
SIXTH: engaging the side stand is hard, esp. with a boot; annoying.
Summing up: every bike has shortcomings and so does the Speed Twin. If you add mine and yours, that is quite a few. For me, however, only the first one is a mortal sin. The second one is very annoying but ok. The others are either minor or they can be remedied. It's a positive sign that Triumph has already improved suspension and brakes. Others will come.
Rather disappointed by your post Mr Flyer. ‘Hate’ is such an emotive word, meaning intense or extreme feeling. What you are referring to are niggles or general dislikes. Nothing is perfect even on top quality machines like your speed twin.
We expect more when we lay down serious cash. Nothing is perfect but these things are simply careless design and completely avoidable.
Agreed David...gets views though.
Copper grease lightly smeared on the back of the brake pad and/or anti-squeal shim is proper, it should be there to allow the pad to slide on the piston, and it stops squeaking.
Typical winging Pom! None of the things you mentioned are a real issue.
Cheers for that Brian - all the best mate!!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Maybe he should try spelling Whingeing properly!
@@stevenhill6214 Maybe he meant to say whining ?
He was just winging it :)))
@@barriewilliams4526 Typical arrogant Aussie, can't spell for shit.
A good greasing of the front discs usually keeps that squeaking sound away.
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You don’t want that green light in your peripheral vision at night, that’s why it’s the DRL indicator because in the day it’s not annoying. Unfortunately we don’t even get that option in the US bc it’s illegal, so that switch is missing (on my Tiger 800 XRT as well) and the dip beam is always on until you activate high beam.
I would prefer that!
Agree with most of your points there. Regarding the clocks though, what I also find annoying is that the odometer and the time cannot be seen together. You have to scroll through to either see the mileage or see the time. There is a small display on both the speedo and the tach so why not separate these two and have the mileage on the speedo and the clock on the tach? I have never had squeeky brakes on my Thruxton though.
I had a squeaky front caliper on my 1990 Moto Guzzi Le Mans. Brembo brakes also. I bought the bike new and tried everything, including lubricating the disc pad backing plate and changing the disc pads. I finally gave up and learnt to live with it. I owned and loved the bike for 11 years.
Yeah it's isn't a deal breaker for me - a minor annoyance at worst and it doesn't happen all the time....
I am upgrading soon I am still in the fence between the speed twin and the Z900RS. Love your videos thanks for sharing
My pleasure....
The Speed Twin is my fav of all your bikes, with the little Honda close second. Great chat, keep them coming Andy, be safe.
Cheers Ken - you too!
I agree totally with your six gripes. A premium priced machine should have premium parts. Triumph have a bit of a reputation for this sort of thing. How about a similar video about your RE Interceptor?
That's on it's way too don't you worry! Stay tuned.....
My least favroite thing is that you can't adjust the rear shock without removing the muffler. Also, stock LED headlights and self cancelling turn signals would be nice at a $13k price point. I'm glad to hear that the issue with the fuel guage isn't limited to just my bike.
Thanks for stopping by!
Nice too see you back ,good advice thanks 👍
I haven't been anywhere!!???
My front brakes squeak but I need new brake pads soon. And the disk are eight years old but still okay.
I agree with you about the lights.
The fuel cap might danger your family jewels at a crash which I hope you’ll never have.
I would hate the position of the mirrors. I want them further forward.
I hate indicators in general, they always look out of place but the original old flex mounted ones that were fitted to older bikes were far less likely to snap off than any of the after market replacements I've tried.
I bought some neat little replacements from a big online parts shop and kept snapping the rear ones by bumping into them when the bike was on the stand and knocking them with my foot when getting on and off ! Replacing broken ones every couple of weeks became very irritating and I never realised just how much abuse indicators get. If I need to get replacements in future I will look for some with flexible mounts or flexible arms because that's what is on my current bike and they have taken a lot of damage and abuse but never broken.
The thing is these do have flexible arms....just not flexible enough!
Most people commenting here clearly haven't watched your many previous videos to understand whey you do the "x things I hate about y" videos. Neither do they listen when you say "I know you can add copperslip but should you have to ...?". I have and hence I appreciate the content. Keep it up!
It better be good, I’ve just placed an order on a used one (1,000 miles) and it will be my return to bikes after an 8 year hiatus, can’t wait till it’s delivered! Keep up the good work Andy. You need to do more reviews on your biking gear.
You'll love it - congratulations!! (and yes, more reviews coming on kit...
i had the pleasure of riding one of these last year when my bike was being serviced. It was a wet day and my feet kept slipping on the foot rests which put me right off.
So weird. I rode in the rain yesterday, no issues ..... I suspect it's a foot problem ;)
I believe the US version, this is corrected. Turning the bike on, the DRL is active, and we have to toggle the high beams using the switch. US 2022 speed twin here.
Sounds more logical!
After two weeks ownership....poor headlight... makes Night time riding a chore. Gearing far too low. Ordered a 39 tooth rear sprocket for a less (7.7%) frantic feel and a little more time in each gear,to enjoy the torque etc. Squeeling front brake,as mentioned here. Absolutely love the bike,and enjoying rectifying the minor annoyances. Bike benefited a lot from fuel booster,performance air filter,throttle spacer and de-cat exhaust system. Fly screen and possibly a single pannier to follow. Love the videos 👍
Seems we concur! Thanks for watching…
Agree on the daytime running light. Are you listening Triumph?
The squeaky brakes thing would bother me the most. You may have re-ignited the CoppaSlip argument....yes or no? All i should say is, i have been using it for years (just a tiny smear on the rim of the caliper piston) and it works for me
Yes I've heard that a lot - will try and get it done next time someone competent goes near the brakes!
@@TheMissendenFlyer "someone competent goes near the brakes!" is that a Freudian slip ? ROFLMAO :)
?? Not sure I follow ??
@@TheMissendenFlyer If that was to my Freudian slip comment. Well I wondered if you were inferring you're not competent to play with the brakes :-D :-D :-D :-D
Yes that's exactly what I was saying! (no inference intended, I'm technically incompetent)
My 2016 Triumph Street Twin gas indicator sometimes doesn't show me the right gas amount after I fill until I shut the bike off and turn it back on again. It must be a Triumph thing or a Street Twin thing. I find it odd but it doesn't bother me much. I use it all the time and never had an issue where I ran out of gas because it was wrong. This only happens after a fill-up. But I'd say it happens at least 50% of the time.
I just looked at one of these at the dealer. Didn’t see a whole lot I wasn’t pleased by. No counting miles anymore? No worrying about power slides in rain?
I’m used to old school bikes where nothing is controlled and your hand controlled the ride you want.
I have the identical bike and when I saw that you were going to list the negatives, I was really curious whether I'd agree. I completely agree about the fuel cap. I am so tired of reading references to the "Monza fuel cap" when it isn't a Monza fuel cap at all, but fake covering a cheap plastic cap. The squeaky brakes are a problem mentioned by all owners and one for which there is no excuse. I had the same fuel gauge issue with my Moto Guzzi V7, so I am used to it, and I have the US version of the Speed Twin so I have different taillight and indicators -- which I've replace (the US version is really ugly). The plastic reservoir is an issue on a LOT of bikes; I've even seen high end customs with the crappy reservoirs -- it's a mystery to me.
Glad we concur!
I have a speed twin 900 and certainly don’t have any of the issues you are raising, the fuel gauge was the same on the Trident 660,
Good video and nice to see you on the Bennetts U-Tube channel.
Glad you liked it!
Headlight on low beam is a UK and European type approval requirement. DLR are an optional extra. What should a responsible manufacturer do?
I have scrembler 1200 and as long as I'm aware, the fuel cap is the same on both bikes. Mine has never given me any problem, twist the key for about 90 degrees and then twist the cap in the opposite direction
My main gripe is it's looks...great from the outside then you open it and there's this plastic thing underneath - even my el cheapo Royal Enfield costing half the price has a better quality fuel cap...
I agree with the light's, my Ducati 1100 Scrambler is the right way around as you would know having riden one. There is also a setting (which I have turned off) that automatically puts dipped main light on and off depending on light. 😊
Sounds like a good feature!
my 2020 tiger takes ages to register added fuel. My fuel light was on yesterday, with 35 miles to empty, and I filled er up. The light went off straight away, but the range crept up one out two miles at a time, all the way up to around 200. 5 mins down the road it still showed a less than a quarter tank. I get the fuel sloshes around, so it makes sense to dampen the response a tad, but not five minutes.
Question: when I drive my brand new bike, I can hear the disc brakes rotating, sounds like they press against the braking pad. Is this common? Just the sound, doesnt feel it in any other way.
Could be binding a little - best get it checked.....
I have a Tiger XRT and yes, it has the annoying squealing discs. The DRL indicator is the same as this, but that doesn't bother me. I am bemused about the fuel gauge 'gripping' you as it does - you've just filled up - you know what's in the tank, so why are you paying it any attention whatsoever? Yes, the filler cap and the flimsy indicator stalks would definitely get my goat though!
i always lube my front discs same time i lube my chain so i dont forget, never any problems with noise.
Not sure I like the sound of lubing my brakes!!! (But I get what you mean)....
I have a Thruxton R and agree about the brake reservoir. My biggest annoyance with it as maybe with the rest of the line is I wish the rider mode would stay selected. You stop for lunch or gas and you have to set it back to sport or rain if that’s your selection.
Yay! A new TMF video. Life is good!
I've got one from Triumph UK at the moment (for much longer than planned too). That fuel cap bamboozled the heck out of me the first time I filled up. Why? Why did they do this?! Good video TMF.
I wish I knew.....they put perfectly good caps on their other bikes!
The slow-responding fuel level gauge seems to be common to many Triumphs. I had the same issue with my Tiger Explorer - sometimes it would take 5 minutes to get the message that I had filled up several miles ago!
Yes I've noticed it pretty much across their range...annoying!
Cheers pall! I want to buy one and was struggling to find some healthy criticism! Still thinking of buying it!
Oh yes I love mine, these criticisms of mine are minor....
Fuel cap on my Yamaha Radian is flush mount works great looks cool and does not interfere with a tank bag. Nostalgia is one thing but some stuff is just a no brainer like ABS and modern tires...fuel injection. If it was easy to do back in the day they would have flush mounted the cap methinks...
Try riding an older R1200RT. Fuel strips are always failing/misreading. Sometimes my "miles until empty" increases as I ride, and after filling up, it takes about 30 miles to register correctly. Hence I just ignore the whole fuel gauge as it cannot be trusted.
Put copper based grease on the back of the pads - not a lot, just smear with your finger. It's a standard process for me and has been for 20 years. It solves the annoying squeak from your brakes 100%.
Four of the issues you mention also apply to T120 and Thruxton R. I don't get the brake squeal on my Thruxton but I did on the T120. Also the indicators are different on the T120 and Thruxton, I've not had a problem. It's obviously horses for courses as I like the Monza fuel cap and don't find the lights an issue.