@@thatseventiesman3865 Yeah but his main drive is a 2CV... I'm more jealous of his garage - in mine I have three lawnmowers and my wife's car. Best, Pete.
Greetings TMF - I feel the need to comment on this - I love my Speed Twin. I have never had any sound from the front brakes. Ive never felt bothered by the gas cap or transparent front brake fluid reservoir. I do understand the fuel level sender is not an instant mechanical float. & the USA version has heavy duty turn signal arms that will not break if you kick it or bump it getting on or off. I also have the booster plug and the Ducati spacers. The bike is an absolute BLAST to ride! It feels very quick accelerating, exceptionally light, nimble and securely planted leaning over hard into corners. I feel this is the most brilliant standard bike money can buy. I love it. Best Regards, MotoPG
The gas cap is absurd! I've never seen anything like it. I'm thinking of getting a Speed Twin but the gas cap has me thinking twice. I have an Explorer 1200 and the cap you just insert the key and open it. If I had to then deal with a second cap I'd be annoyed.
When I was a public school principal (headmaster) one responsibility was to identify and mitigate potential hazards: playgrounds, workspaces, classrooms, gymnasiums, school buses, etc. Rather than just depend on professional health and safety officers, I’d also ask a handful of mothers to do a walk around. Without fail, the mothers would identify things the professionals, and myself, would never see. Kinda reminds me of this video. With all the millions of R & D dollars manufacturers spend, the insight of real-world riders remains extremely useful and to disregard always comes at a cost.
I'll admit to being a little nervous when clicking this one as I was worried you'd make me find things to hate about mine, but I'm very happy with your list, because there's nothing at all to worry about! Luckily, my brakes don't squeak. Totally agree with the light indicator being inverted, but if that's the worst thing... I leave my fuel cap unlocked at all times, so this isn't an issue for me. Agree on the brake reservoir and optioned the (expensive) anodised version. The fuel gauge is also a non-issue for me. The one time I don't need a fuel gauge is when I've just filled up! I fitted miniature Motogadget indicators that are invisible when they're not flashing because the stock ones look naff, as you'd say (and I'd probably also kick them off). Love your channel mate. Stay safe!
What Motogadget indicators did you end up ordering? Im not sure which ones are able to be fitted to the Speed Twin in the MG line. Was thinking about these as the Rizoma's I've seen are mega bucks each.
@@MrGuitarboy100 I got the mo.blaze pins (motogadget.com/shop/en/m-blaze-pin.html). These are super bright despite their size. I had to change the resistance but that was easy in the secret menu (hold 'i' button while turning on ignition or something like that, then select the setting that flashes at the correct frequency). I made blanking plates (Dremelled and painted some thin steel) because a single "pin" replaces the double holes that remain after removing stock indicators, but you can buy these for the ST from Tec (www.tecbikeparts.com/product/indicator-adapter-mounts-for-oe-triumph-lights-allows-oe-type-2-hole-indicator-with-tec-tail-tidy/), for example.
The other thing that is annoying is that they put it on the wrong way. It opens in such a way that you have reduced space to fuel. It should be turned 180 degrees so it opens towards the front and leaves all the rest of the space for fueling. An easy thing to change though.
As someone who tends to fill up while sat on the bike this would really get on my nerves. Lift flap toward you, then reach around to get to the real filler cap. Stupid design that cannot have been done by anyone who has ever actually ridden a bike.
Yeah they are a bit cheap feeling. On my Tiger 800 the lens fell off. Unfortunately unlike the old style normal indicators they used you can't just replace the lens and I had to buy a complete indicator.
Good job you didn't start riding in the early 70's, you'd have stopped riding pretty smartish I think. Disc brakes that didn't work in the wet, tyres that didn't grip in the wet, plugs fouling regularly, huge vibration, unreliability, draughty noisy helmets with visors scratching up in 6 weeks etc etc. The bikes were just as expensive as now, considering wages at the time. We called it character, and as it was all we knew and the bikes were a massive improvement from the 60's we loved it. A petrol guage that doesn't tell you you've just filled up until you've done 1/4 mile? How do you cope?
Biscuit Barrel, Totally agree mate. Yokohama gripless tyres. The Dunlop’s weren’t much better. Why did we ride bikes that were feckin dangerous? Because they were tremendous fun!!!
I remember a friends brother around that time saying "if anyone says that British bikes are the best in the world, punch him in the mouth". lol. His bikes spent more time in his shed in pieces than on the road.
This could turn in The Four Yorkshiremen sketch but about motorcycles :) "When I was a lad, we didn't have tyres on our rims, just plain metal" "you were lucky, our rims weren't even round!" "rims, rims, we didn't even have wheels, we had to walk along with the frame between our legs!"
@@karlosh2422 Well of course we had it tough. We used to dream of walking along with t'frame between our legs, would have been luxury to us. Best we could do was hop on one leg with handlebars taped to our arms but it was a bike to us.
The way I see it, the whole DRL indicator light arrangement, that seems to get mentioned mention a good deal, makes perfect logical sense, because when it's dark enough to use the headlight, you don't want an indicator light shining in your face affecting your night vision. When it daytime, and you have the DRL on, it does least harm. Just an alternative perspective to consider.
@@TheMissendenFlyer And likely to scratch the paintwork with the key, or fob, while unscrewing, and refitting into place. Be careful - which i'm sure you are, (minor OCD, TMF) - when refuelling.
If the fuel cap is locked then it's a piece of piss to unlock with two hands. My Scrambler 1200 is keyless so to save me the hassle of getting the bladed remote out of my pocket to unlock the cap, I leave the cap in the unlocked position. You learn this lesson the first time you fill up 👍
@Bad Santa If you try to lock or unlock the fuel filler cap with one hand, whilst holding a camera in the other, then it's just about doable but a bit of a faff. If you try locking or unlocking using the time honoured method recognised by any sensible human being it no longer becomes an issue. Certainly not one that would make me stress or cause Triumph to lose a sale
Hi TMF,caught you in the latest Bennets torqueing heads video and the biggest compliment I can pay you is you did not look out of place with the other journalists..Liked and thanks as always...stay safe....🏴
1) Squeaky Brakes easily sorted 2) The DRL on my R1200 GS & 765 RS functions in exactly the same way 3) Fuel Cap is the same as on my Scrambler 1200. I just leave the cap unlocked 4) Brake Fluid Reservoir if it offends you then change it. It's no biggie 5) Slow Operating Fuel Gauge I'd be more annoyed if it ran out of fuel still showing 2 bars full 6) Don't kick your indicator For any other problems there is always Gin 👍
Really enjoy your honesty TMF. Thanks for taking the time to point out these issues. I must admit I seriously considered this as my next new bike, as I love the look, the handling, and the power of this machine. However, that all changed after I took one for an extended test ride on warm summer"s day in Sydney.... The heat coming from the 1200cc power plant was, let's just say, uncomfortable....
Nope - wired up totally logically. Light comes on with the DRL as it should - you wouldn't want the green light on at night time to tell you that the dip beam is on. Green warning light means: you only have DRL on.
I was so worried seeing this video pop up this morning as I have a 2020 Speed Twin arriving this week! Glad to learn that none of these things are dealbreakers!
Jim Cole - honestly, Jim, I expect you’ll love it when we’re all allowed back out. I’ve had mine a year now and I still have a huge grin when I ride mine. I did change the brake res to the metal one (£70 dealer fit), the fuel cap and gauge never bother me, neither does the drl mentioned, I’ve never heard of the issue with the indicators (just lift your leg a bit higher!!) and on the brakes, I hear some bikes squeal, some don’t - mine does a little, so either do a couple of really good stops when they’re warm (mine stop squealing after that) or take discs off and re-seat them using a dial gauge (agree this is a bit excessive and shouldn’t happen on a premium bike!). Enjoy it when it lands - it’s brilliant!
@@TheMissendenFlyer It was partly your videos that got me interested in the Speed Twin. I must've watched all your Speed Twin videos numerous times. Inquired at my local triumph garage and two test-rides later I bought one! Thankyou for your videos! Always enjoy watching them!
That petrol gauge winge is a bit hilarious honestly. Why does it matter how quickly it goes up! You know there's a full tank of petrol, you just filled it up 😆
See now I thought exactly the same. After visiting the petrol station, you know it's full up (I never usually do a partial fill up on any vehicle, car or bike ) BUT during lockdown, well we haven't been allowed to make non essential journeys, therefore petrol has been left sitting in my Speed Twin. The current E5 (5% ethanol) petrol can go off quite quick and gum things up. Yes I can use fuel stabiliser, which I had done, but it had been so long I thought best to syphon off the fuel into a jerry can, and put it in the car which at least does a few "essential" journeys. Now with a fuel gauge that has the speed of a sloth on sedative drugs, I really don't know how much is in the tank. I know it's not a lot, but how much ? The gauge just keeps showing much more than I know is really in the tank. My Street Triple suffers from exactly the same issue !
Yeap, had the same issue. It may happen during tough braking when it's cold and the pads are cold or in the rain. In case of a real issue, talking out the pads and a piece of sandpaper help.
I agree re: DRL. Brake really hard to get the abs to cut in on the front and that will probably clear the brake pad dust. If not, a dob of copper slip on the back of the pads at the next service will sort that.
Hi TMF, I could live with most of these dislikes but the front brakes squealing would drive me mad. My GSXS did it for a while and every time I stopped it was like finger nails down a blackboard. I couldn’t stand it. The indicators easily snapping off would also aggravate me. It would be one of those things that you realise could happen and you’ve got it in mind when you’re riding. Then one fine day you stop, dismount and clip the indicator...break it...then swear and curse your way to get your coffee. Should be mounted near the license plate in my humble opinion. Thanks for putting out videos during this covid crap...always good to see you 👍. Cheers.
Andy, just bear in mind that if you've just filled your tank up you don't really need to be looking at your fuel gauge, surely it's better to have something that's more accurate lol
Andy love your work mate keep it up, from Brisbane Australia. I have just bought a speed twin (traded up from the street cup) and after 3000km including some touring I love the bike, and your reviews definitely gave some great insights into the pros & cons. I have already put the V&H cans on and a Dart flyscreen is on order to help a bit with touring. I noted your comment on the rear indicators, and just wanted to let you know that I have installed a ventura rack (EVO) which is a very simple DIY install, and allows a range of luggage from 10litres up to 60 litres. The reason I mention it is that the rack totally protects the rear indicators, apart from the benefits of taking some gear on longer rides. Anyway, keep up the good work and stay safe. Cheers Jim
anyone know why sometimes they chose to have the reservoir in a round container with a cap on top and sometimes in an, often rectangular, closed black container? Personally since i see the round container on performance machines it makes me associate the 'cheaper, looking reservoir with faster bikes.
sam The smaller round ones are most of the times external reservoirs for radial brake pumps. The rectangular ones are builtin on regular brake pumps. The radial brake pumps are supposed to have a better brake feel. Haven’t tried one myself yet.
@@TreyyDaMenaceFan Good question! I'm looking at a Brembo plastic reservoir that costs £50. There must be a good reason why track bikes have these so called cheap reservoirs. All I can think of is that they're lightweight, transparent so the fluid can be easily seen, easy to open (fluid has to be changed between races), and simple with few points of failure.
@@TheMissendenFlyer Faster more spontaneous pace seemed less scripted. Handheld camera movement, pulling back to frame the shot, it has a different look. Thought it was intentional.
I think you need to do some work on your speedy 1. Sort brakes 2. Turn Monza cap round 3. Change indicators 4. Have patience with gauge 5. Accept lights, why do you need drl when you have dipped beam 6. Change brake reservoir This will keep you busy and stop cabin fever Finally be grateful
I bought a 2012 Street Triple in black and gold because I loved your bike, Flyer. Now I'm looking at Speed Twins, and you've sold me on yet another Triumph
Can certainly understand your frustration with the fuel cap situation, would bug me firstly that It’s not one of those Hinge cap style ones and secondly that you have to screw it round 5 times🤣They might as well have just given you a screw driver.
Hey mate this might be 2 years late but I have a Thruxton R and you’re not meant to use the key to twist the cap. You twist it once to unlock, then use the finger indents to twist the cap itself to unscrew. Then you screw back on, and the key is a single twist to lock.
Haha - I was thinking the same thing. As my wife would say about him, "awww, isn't he cute?!". OTOH, when my does something silly, I say, "you're so pretty!". 🤣
But cars and Van's don't have there lights permanently written into law like motorcycles do. I bet triumph have to have it this way round and a light to warn you the DRL is on.
I think just about all EU member states and US & Canada require dipped headlights to be on at all times on motorcycles. DRL only could get you a ticket. And other than for vanity reasons or as parking lights, I really don't see why I would use DRL only.
@@sv650nyc7 I think a DRL is generally brighter than a dipped headlight and doesn't look like it's flashing as you go over bumps in the road. Much safer in my opinion.
Lots of passion in this video. The next The Top 6 Things I lurve about my Triumph Speed Twin. The fuel filler cap would be the thing, like with TMF, that would also push me over the edge.
It better be good, I’ve just placed an order on a used one (1,000 miles) and it will be my return to bikes after an 8 year hiatus, can’t wait till it’s delivered! Keep up the good work Andy. You need to do more reviews on your biking gear.
I’ve thought about the daytime running lights issue (I have a Speed Twin) - I think it’s more of a warning that you only have the DRL on rather than full (dipped) headlights on for when you ride at night. If the opposite was the case I think it’d be easy to forget to put the lights on full (dipped) beam.
I have a 2022 Speed Twin, and I like this channel a lot! I have different quibbles with the bike. First, the good news: the Brembo M50 are excellent and they don't squeal. I don't care much for the fuel cap (the plastic one feels a bit cheap), the brake fluid tank (I actually like that it's all clear), or the slow fuel gauge. The light switches are different on my US model, so that doesn't apply; and indicators are different now. Let's talk instead about the *real* flaws of the bike, in order of importance. FIRST: the tank capacity. 3.8 gallons is way, way too small. 120-130miles range (including reserve) is just unacceptable for travelers and commuters alike. Besides, the tank feels and looks too small. Add a gallon, please. SECOND: the heat. The engine really, really heats up too much. I also have a Tuono 1100, and that bike doesn't heat as much! This is Panigale-level stuff. Nothing that can be done about this. THIRD: the standard saddle. It's a friggin' wooden plank. The optional saddle is better and also better-looking. They could have that one standard, and maybe charge $50 more, and everyone would be happier. FOURTH: no cruise control? Really?? It's a $50 add-on. A switch and some standard injection electronics. Even sport bikes have it (again my Tuono does), and they are not meant for traveling. FIFTH: the rear suspension. It's just not great. It feels underdamped. SIXTH: engaging the side stand is hard, esp. with a boot; annoying. Summing up: every bike has shortcomings and so does the Speed Twin. If you add mine and yours, that is quite a few. For me, however, only the first one is a mortal sin. The second one is very annoying but ok. The others are either minor or they can be remedied. It's a positive sign that Triumph has already improved suspension and brakes. Others will come.
Interestingly the squeaky front brakes were the main reason I canceled my order it just shouldn’t happen plus I agree with you about the brake reservoir and fuel cap pretty cheap and nasty for the price you pay for the bike Cheers Chips.
Yes yes.... you just justify your way out of the purchase of a Speed Twin .... my squeak left after bike was run in. Just leave the Speedie for riders who love torque, handling and shooting the breeze with admirers of modern classics. Owning one is a dream.
To remove squealing you apply brake grease on the edges of the caliper pistons, make sure the pads come with metal shims, or change the pads to softer material (the commonly used sintered HH pads are overkill for most riders anyways). Many ways to alleviate squealing brakes for cheap and it can be an issue on any bike. To not buy a bike for that reason seems strange.
Di Korlaet Firstly I own 2 Triumph Motorcycles a 2012 Street Triple R and a 2018 Tiger 800 which are both great bikes plus I also have 3 other bikes which does include a retro as well plus I also ride about 20000km annually so I wasn’t trying to justify not purchasing the bike ,to me when you’re buying a premium brand these sorts of things should not happen and when I started to do a bit of research it seemed to be a problem with the T120 and the Speed Master as well and apparently Triumph didn’t want to know about it when people complained which I thought was pretty ordinary that’s why I didn’t go through with the purchase.
Most people commenting here clearly haven't watched your many previous videos to understand whey you do the "x things I hate about y" videos. Neither do they listen when you say "I know you can add copperslip but should you have to ...?". I have and hence I appreciate the content. Keep it up!
I rode a harley many yrs ago my friends electraglide I believe it was huge steered badly and the brakes were shit oh and it was underpowered and sluggish he'd put thousands of aftermarket stuff on including brakes!! I was gobsmacked at how shit it was I'd never buy or own a harley they are just posing machines
After two weeks ownership....poor headlight... makes Night time riding a chore. Gearing far too low. Ordered a 39 tooth rear sprocket for a less (7.7%) frantic feel and a little more time in each gear,to enjoy the torque etc. Squeeling front brake,as mentioned here. Absolutely love the bike,and enjoying rectifying the minor annoyances. Bike benefited a lot from fuel booster,performance air filter,throttle spacer and de-cat exhaust system. Fly screen and possibly a single pannier to follow. Love the videos 👍
Made in Thailand 😂 love my old SE am tempted to switch to a newer model. The new street twin with improved brakes etc looks promising and might be a good chill option for me. I always find get the second gen of new models , quirks ironed out 😁
Good to see you're not a complete Triumph fanboy :-) I watched a review from a popular RUclipsr in Tampa Florida and he pointed out how the sun reflected badly off the dials. I do think the Speed Twin is Triumph's best looking bike. Personally I would like to see all Triumphs have dual round headlights as their styling signature or an accessory option to retro fit them.
Good morning MrF. Totally agree for the reservoir and fuel cap. Absolutely rubbish for the price! Make some TMF ones! The lights don’t have to be like that. Main lights and running lights should be totally automatic for both. If my Renault Clio can do it, so can Triumph. For the fuel gauge, I always know when I’ve filled up because you can see petrol at the brim 😉😉. Anyway, I’ve been riding on road since 1977 and none of my bikes to this day have ever had a fuel gauge, and I’ve never run out of petrol. The most annoying thing though about the Speed Twin is that I haven’t got one! 😂😂. Stay safe bud and have a good one! 👍
Having just bought my first ever Triumph, this was an interesting video. I agree with you about the brake reservoir, it's the same on my Street Scrambler...it simply doesn't look the same quality as the rest of the bike. Interestingly the filler cap on mine is very nice quality, lockable (unlike the previous model), easy opening affair. The quirky fuel guage seems to be a uniquely Triumph thing. My bike is exactly the same, but I've never experienced it with any other brand of bike. Notwithstanding your list of six, I imagine the thing you hate most about it, is that you can't ride it at the moment! Keep up the good work.
Yes very true Gareth! This list is irrelevant when you ride the bike as it’s such a joy to ride....I love the comfort, the sound, the looks....great bike (hence why I bought it!)...
Makes me chuckle that the DRLs still irk you. You've had this niggle for years! I agree with you on the brake fluid reservoir. It should be anodised on the premium models. I do love your STR reservoirs. I need to get some for mine. Bummer about the indicators! Not what I would expect. Thanks for the video. Great as always!
Beats me why all these premium modern bikes have these dodgy reservoirs on them anyway, if bikes in the 90's had them integrated into the levers, why not now! Looks so much better.
I bought NOS Daytona anodized reservoir for my Speed Twin at half the cost of a new item specifically for the Speed Twin - I simply used the original bracket instead of the Daytona item.
Rather disappointed by your post Mr Flyer. ‘Hate’ is such an emotive word, meaning intense or extreme feeling. What you are referring to are niggles or general dislikes. Nothing is perfect even on top quality machines like your speed twin.
OMG, the DRL switch and whether you're in dipped or not drives me absolutely bananas! So glad I'm not the only one that finds the light on/off logic completely backwards, drives me nuts on my Street RS!
I agree, there is always something(s) about a bike that just eat at us. But we love the bike anyway. One with my Goldwing is the turn signal/horn location -always honking when I don't mean to.Also, I finally settled on a garage mate for my Goldwing -although choices were limited by availability and logistics during this lockdown I knew I wanted an RE, Guzzi, or Triumph. I found a pristine 2006 Triumph Bonneville (6k miles and one owner) base (I think, it has a decal rather than a badge on the tank). The previous owner had put on aftermarket exhaust, rejetted the carbs, a pillion cowl, café bars, and mirrors that look a lot like yours. She's a beauty (all black, engine included) and she runs like a scared cat. Sounds great as well. I tell you all this because your Triumph reviews are what inspired me to look at Triumph in the first place. Thanks and stay well!
Agreed, the indicators are flimsy. Half of one of mine has disappeared ,put a bit of coppaslip on the back of the pads. It's what they will do at the dealership so why not do it yourself, it works.
Good stuff, it’s very useful to get owner feedback around niggles, no big deal but good to know. My Street Triple RS is undoubtedly the best road bike I’ve owned (and I’ve got a V4 Factory as well), DRL. Disagree, you want the warning light in the daytime, at night you can see the headlights are on. Fuel cap, totally agree that is a bit pants, a proper alloy “Le Mans” cap would be much better, Brake reservoir, yeah I bought both the billet alloy ones for mine are they are much classier, that said nearly all Bikes have the plastic things, even a premium machine has to be built to a price. Fuel gauge, seems very sluggish my Street takes about 100 yds. I think the indicator is the same as mine, it just seems to be unfortunately placed on the twin. It is a real challenge to find fault with modern bikes, they’re all so good now.
Hate's a bad word to use, 'Annoys Me' much better to use IMO, You're spot on about the light switching, doesn't make sense except to the euro bods , some bikes might not have running lights so it's probably more regulations than common sense, Fuel Cap and Cover, Micky Mouse is an understatement, what's going on with the numberplate number, didn't take you for a numberplate vanity bod.
That number plate came with the bike, nowt to do with me! - I don't to personalised plates myself (My Mrs wouldn't let me as she reckons only people with "more money than sense" buy them)....shame 'cos there's lots of "TMF" options to choose from!
i really wanted to keep my Triumph but it too had a loud squeak/chirp but it was the belt that dealership could never fix. when i rode in a group, whenever we slowed to a stop it was so loud everyone would look down at their bike and then look around trying to figure out what the sound was. i just joined them pretending it wasn't my new Triumph. i never understood the fuel gauge delay. no other bike ive owned had such a strange fuel read. and finally, one end of the handlebar was a bit higher than the other and it drove me nuts. something else they claimed they couldn't fix. had to just trade it in and be done.
Little tip M.F. keep a eye on that clutch cable not rubbing on the wiring loom . A lot of Triumph owners still having issues with wiring loom after they have had bracket mod done by Triumph ,so much so some owners taking the clutch cable out of the top and bottom bracket to stop the rubbing .This is going to bite Triumph in the rear . On another note Motone customs do a sensible petrol cap non locking ,makes things so much easier. Go steady.
It's funny how many people go to the 'trouble' to watch YOUR video about YOUR opinion, then go to the trouble to tell you that YOUR opinions are wrong! :) People have too much free time on hand I suppose. Thanks for the info
Agree totally about the daytime running lights and that squeaky front brake would make me embarrassed every time I came to a stop at traffic lights. I'm really pleased that you're still observing the lockdown and showing a good example to us motorcyclists, I've just unsubscribed from ChaseOnTwoWheels as he's out on his bike cruising corona town.
I think it varies by state but judging by the one US You Tuber I regularly watch, riding is carrying on as normal there....complete with bike meets and rides with your mates!!
Completely agree with you on the brakes, thought that was just mine, the lights and reservoir. Like you I love the bike bar those minor issues. The usb charger and no we here to easily feed wire is a bit frustrating.
It was your reviews that convinced me to get a speed twin. I’ve only been riding 6 months and love it. I originally got a tiger 800 but didn’t get on with it. I’m heading to Swindon today for the 500 mile service, although I’ve gone a bit over that. Where can I get a replacement reservoir from which looks better. Your videos are great BTW really useful in the decision making processes.
All valid criticisms and as with all things, opinions are subjective. When I buy a bike, I factor in all things I'll be changing (prioritizing over time). I know you do the same. My 2013 Street Triple R had squeaky rear brakes. Pad swap fixed that. You've discussed the lights vs. switches in the UK in the past, I agree with you. Over here in the USA, the daytime running lights up with the low beams by default, so it's not an issue here. The fuel cap, I'd look into unlocking it and leaving it or get a new cap to use under the 'cover'. I swap out those plastic brake reservoirs; never been a fan but that's almost universal on all bikes from the factory. I swap out my rear light for one with integrated turn signals - here in the US the DOT forces manufacturers to use big ugly plastic 'pumpkin' indicators. Drives me buggy. We almost always HAVE to replace the indicators one way or another with LEDs - so for the rear, I prefer integrated versions. Making a bike "your own" is a (sometimes slow) process but that journey is part of the package in my opinion. That hoodie is rather smart looking and I've now ordered one.
I agree totally with your six gripes. A premium priced machine should have premium parts. Triumph have a bit of a reputation for this sort of thing. How about a similar video about your RE Interceptor?
I've got one from Triumph UK at the moment (for much longer than planned too). That fuel cap bamboozled the heck out of me the first time I filled up. Why? Why did they do this?! Good video TMF.
Nice vid. I think it's good to be honest as you see it, about the niggles on the bike as it's the only way things will improve. No point having rose tinted specs because you own it imo. I've never owned a bad bike but I've also never owned a perfect one.
@@TheMissendenFlyer Yes it is a lovely bike & I really like the engine especially. Also a testament to it is that your dislikes are very minor in the grand scheme of things.
TMF, I agree with your list and am happy that they're rather minor items. I also agree that this is an epic bike and a keeper. It checks more boxes for me than any of my other bikes, past and present. I plan to do the gauge face update as seen in your other videos. Am also converting to the euro-spec directionals and appreciate the warning about their fragility. Keep up the great work!
Day time running light comment - the warning light is so you don’t jump on at night and think the full lights are on! You see it often on cars no rear lights but daytime fwd lights on.. fyi love your reviews
I agree with the light's, my Ducati 1100 Scrambler is the right way around as you would know having riden one. There is also a setting (which I have turned off) that automatically puts dipped main light on and off depending on light. 😊
I have some of the same complaints about my T120. While it takes a few miles after fill up to register a full tank at least it has a fuel gauge which my more expensive Aprilia Tuono Factory lacks!! Great video!
I recon the fuel cap and slow response gauge could be symptomatic of 'Generalised Fuel Anxiety'. Lol. Completely agree with your point about the lights, would be a huge improvement to swap them over. Keep well fella!
1st world problems 😄 I take your point though. I have a couple of Triumphs and a Honda CB500X that I bought towards the end of last year. The CB is a modestly priced bike in comparison, it's a cheap bike at
Thanks for the thorough reviews Flyer. You have to wonder about companies that charge premium prices and then cut corners on things that you see or touch on a routine basis (gas cap, turn signals, fuel gauge and such). Beautiful bike though.
In the US, motorcycle headlights are always on by default, and I've never owned a bike that had a switch to turn the lights on. By this logic, it's probable we don't get an option for daytime running lights. This may explain why the daytime running indicator light is reverse to what you'd expect. Otherwise owners in markets that have "always on" headlights would be seeing that green light all the time unless the high beams are on.
All those niggles would put me off this bike. The brake squeal is easily sorted by replacing the pads to softer organic ones. The sintered pads are far too hard and I’ve found that they score up your discs more quickly. Obviously the softer ones wear out a little more quickly but I find that they’re better. Like you said, a premium bike shouldn’t have these problems. Thanks for the video Andy 👍🏼 ps: I missed this one when you did it 11 months ago.
Well technically you can but the risk of having an "off" and using valuable NHS resources is stopping me thus far...if things ease a little this could change but that's the current position...
Totally agree with your #3 brake reservoir complaint. I would go one further and ask why do all triumphs come with that little reservoir sticking up there - ugly and waiting to get ripped off. My Honda has a nice aluminum cast reservoir as part of the brake lever. You barely notice it and it’s nicely out of the way so it won’t get smucked if you happen to go down.
after being a serious TMF fan, and becoming a triumph fan-boy, I think I'm leaning toward the Street Scrambler for my first.. I love the T-120 (includes heated grips !! and center-stand !!) and was surprised these two options are either not stock equipment or even available on the Speed Twin. Thanks TMF
Exactly the same things that bother me about my Speed Twin. The indicators are different on my American version. Even with the minor inconveniences it’s a keeper for me too. Happy Trails.
I had a squeaky front caliper on my 1990 Moto Guzzi Le Mans. Brembo brakes also. I bought the bike new and tried everything, including lubricating the disc pad backing plate and changing the disc pads. I finally gave up and learnt to live with it. I owned and loved the bike for 11 years.
Hi mate squeaky front discs try removing the brake pads and put a thin smear of copper grease on the back of the brake pads and all the way round the edge of the brake pistons , also wipe the disc rotors down with some panel prep to remove any traces of grease or wax this works every time for me. Cheers Martin ⚙️🔩🔧👍
TheMissendenFlyer it’s Dead easy but if your not confident to do that you could try just degreasing the disc rotors and a light rub over with a fine wet & dry or Scotch-Brite to take the glares of them that might work.⚙️🔩🔧👍
The one thing I hate about it is that you have one and I don’t.
He does sound a bit spoiled doesn't he? Showing 3 of his quite new looking bikes to us ;)
@@thatseventiesman3865 Yeah but his main drive is a 2CV... I'm more jealous of his garage - in mine I have three lawnmowers and my wife's car. Best, Pete.
True
Same here...lols.
I think the person who told him to add a dab of grease to his break pads was also feeling a bit jealous 🤣
Everyone should come up with a top 5 list of pros and cons just to maintain our objectivity. Thanks for sharing yours.
Greetings TMF -
I feel the need to comment on this - I love my Speed Twin. I have never had any sound from the front brakes. Ive never felt bothered by the gas cap or transparent front brake fluid reservoir. I do understand the fuel level sender is not an instant mechanical float. & the USA version has heavy duty turn signal arms that will not break if you kick it or bump it getting on or off. I also have the booster plug and the Ducati spacers. The bike is an absolute BLAST to ride! It feels very quick accelerating, exceptionally light, nimble and securely planted leaning over hard into corners. I feel this is the most brilliant standard bike money can buy. I love it.
Best Regards,
MotoPG
The gas cap is absurd! I've never seen anything like it. I'm thinking of getting a Speed Twin but the gas cap has me thinking twice. I have an Explorer 1200 and the cap you just insert the key and open it. If I had to then deal with a second cap I'd be annoyed.
Have you noticed any excessive heat from the engine by any chance?
When I was a public school principal (headmaster) one responsibility was to identify and mitigate potential hazards: playgrounds, workspaces, classrooms, gymnasiums, school buses, etc. Rather than just depend on professional health and safety officers, I’d also ask a handful of mothers to do a walk around. Without fail, the mothers would identify things the professionals, and myself, would never see. Kinda reminds me of this video. With all the millions of R & D dollars manufacturers spend, the insight of real-world riders remains extremely useful and to disregard always comes at a cost.
Can those mothers have a look at the 2020 Street Triple TFT styles?
I’m going to go ride my faulty Triumph. The forecast is for 97% fewer texting drivers trying to kill me.
I'll admit to being a little nervous when clicking this one as I was worried you'd make me find things to hate about mine, but I'm very happy with your list, because there's nothing at all to worry about!
Luckily, my brakes don't squeak.
Totally agree with the light indicator being inverted, but if that's the worst thing...
I leave my fuel cap unlocked at all times, so this isn't an issue for me.
Agree on the brake reservoir and optioned the (expensive) anodised version.
The fuel gauge is also a non-issue for me. The one time I don't need a fuel gauge is when I've just filled up!
I fitted miniature Motogadget indicators that are invisible when they're not flashing because the stock ones look naff, as you'd say (and I'd probably also kick them off).
Love your channel mate. Stay safe!
What Motogadget indicators did you end up ordering? Im not sure which ones are able to be fitted to the Speed Twin in the MG line. Was thinking about these as the Rizoma's I've seen are mega bucks each.
@@MrGuitarboy100 I got the mo.blaze pins (motogadget.com/shop/en/m-blaze-pin.html). These are super bright despite their size. I had to change the resistance but that was easy in the secret menu (hold 'i' button while turning on ignition or something like that, then select the setting that flashes at the correct frequency).
I made blanking plates (Dremelled and painted some thin steel) because a single "pin" replaces the double holes that remain after removing stock indicators, but you can buy these for the ST from Tec (www.tecbikeparts.com/product/indicator-adapter-mounts-for-oe-triumph-lights-allows-oe-type-2-hole-indicator-with-tec-tail-tidy/), for example.
That fuel cap is ridiculous - that would drive me nuts!
Hahaha. Turn the key then unscrew the cap. Don’t use the key to unscrew. Hahahaha British people.
Hahahahahaaaaa
The other thing that is annoying is that they put it on the wrong way. It opens in such a way that you have reduced space to fuel. It should be turned 180 degrees so it opens towards the front and leaves all the rest of the space for fueling. An easy thing to change though.
@@AndresArrieta They are easy to turn 180, I changed it around on my Thruxton
As someone who tends to fill up while sat on the bike this would really get on my nerves. Lift flap toward you, then reach around to get to the real filler cap. Stupid design that cannot have been done by anyone who has ever actually ridden a bike.
Agree about the broken indicator should be more bendy than breaky :-)
Yeah they are a bit cheap feeling. On my Tiger 800 the lens fell off. Unfortunately unlike the old style normal indicators they used you can't just replace the lens and I had to buy a complete indicator.
At Triumph prices there is no excuse for this
The squeak about the break you need to get a life if that’s the biggest thing that you’re whining about I bet your wife thanks you’re a piece of shit
Good job you didn't start riding in the early 70's, you'd have stopped riding pretty smartish I think. Disc brakes that didn't work in the wet, tyres that didn't grip in the wet, plugs fouling regularly, huge vibration, unreliability, draughty noisy helmets with visors scratching up in 6 weeks etc etc. The bikes were just as expensive as now, considering wages at the time. We called it character, and as it was all we knew and the bikes were a massive improvement from the 60's we loved it. A petrol guage that doesn't tell you you've just filled up until you've done 1/4 mile? How do you cope?
Biscuit Barrel, Totally agree mate. Yokohama gripless tyres. The Dunlop’s weren’t much better. Why did we ride bikes that were feckin dangerous? Because they were tremendous fun!!!
I remember a friends brother around that time saying "if anyone says that British bikes are the best in the world, punch him in the mouth". lol. His bikes spent more time in his shed in pieces than on the road.
This could turn in The Four Yorkshiremen sketch but about motorcycles :)
"When I was a lad, we didn't have tyres on our rims, just plain metal"
"you were lucky, our rims weren't even round!"
"rims, rims, we didn't even have wheels, we had to walk along with the frame between our legs!"
@@karlosh2422 Well of course we had it tough. We used to dream of walking along with t'frame between our legs, would have been luxury to us. Best we could do was hop on one leg with handlebars taped to our arms but it was a bike to us.
@@karlosh2422 excellent contribution, you have won todays internet.
The way I see it, the whole DRL indicator light arrangement, that seems to get mentioned mention a good deal, makes perfect logical sense, because when it's dark enough to use the headlight, you don't want an indicator light shining in your face affecting your night vision. When it daytime, and you have the DRL on, it does least harm. Just an alternative perspective to consider.
That fuel cap would do me in totally.
That unscrewing , I couldn't even watch it on the video.
My OCD can't cope.
Yes rubbish design those....
@@TheMissendenFlyer And likely to scratch the paintwork with the key, or fob, while unscrewing, and refitting into place. Be careful - which i'm sure you are, (minor OCD, TMF) - when refuelling.
If the fuel cap is locked then it's a piece of piss to unlock with two hands. My Scrambler 1200 is keyless so to save me the hassle of getting the bladed remote out of my pocket to unlock the cap, I leave the cap in the unlocked position. You learn this lesson the first time you fill up 👍
the fuel cap is not a problem if you open it properly.
@Bad Santa If you try to lock or unlock the fuel filler cap with one hand, whilst holding a camera in the other, then it's just about doable but a bit of a faff. If you try locking or unlocking using the time honoured method recognised by any sensible human being it no longer becomes an issue. Certainly not one that would make me stress or cause Triumph to lose a sale
Hi TMF,caught you in the latest Bennets torqueing heads video and the biggest compliment I can pay you is you did not look out of place with the other journalists..Liked and thanks as always...stay safe....🏴
That's very kind Ian - although I have no desire (and never have) to be a motorcycle journalist!
1) Squeaky Brakes easily sorted
2) The DRL on my R1200 GS & 765 RS functions in exactly the same way
3) Fuel Cap is the same as on my Scrambler 1200. I just leave the cap unlocked
4) Brake Fluid Reservoir if it offends you then change it. It's no biggie
5) Slow Operating Fuel Gauge I'd be more annoyed if it ran out of fuel still showing 2 bars full
6) Don't kick your indicator
For any other problems there is always Gin 👍
Well said....agree totally....
Really enjoy your honesty TMF. Thanks for taking the time to point out these issues. I must admit I seriously considered this as my next new bike, as I love the look, the handling, and the power of this machine. However, that all changed after I took one for an extended test ride on warm summer"s day in Sydney.... The heat coming from the 1200cc power plant was, let's just say, uncomfortable....
Funnily enough I’ve never had an issue with that - but then I also ride a Panigale!
TheMissendenFlyer can you please send me a link to the asbestos underwear you must wear. 😉😂 😂 Stay safe my friend!
I use a similar thing! ruclips.net/video/2hEw4RZq8fs/видео.html
Small things but you are spot on with the daytime/dipped headlight wiring. They ARE wired up wrong if your brain's wired up right :)))
Nope - wired up totally logically. Light comes on with the DRL as it should - you wouldn't want the green light on at night time to tell you that the dip beam is on. Green warning light means: you only have DRL on.
I was so worried seeing this video pop up this morning as I have a 2020 Speed Twin arriving this week! Glad to learn that none of these things are dealbreakers!
Certainly not, it's a brilliant bike and you'll love owning it - congratulations!
Jim Cole - honestly, Jim, I expect you’ll love it when we’re all allowed back out. I’ve had mine a year now and I still have a huge grin when I ride mine. I did change the brake res to the metal one (£70 dealer fit), the fuel cap and gauge never bother me, neither does the drl mentioned, I’ve never heard of the issue with the indicators (just lift your leg a bit higher!!) and on the brakes, I hear some bikes squeal, some don’t - mine does a little, so either do a couple of really good stops when they’re warm (mine stop squealing after that) or take discs off and re-seat them using a dial gauge (agree this is a bit excessive and shouldn’t happen on a premium bike!). Enjoy it when it lands - it’s brilliant!
@@TheMissendenFlyer It was partly your videos that got me interested in the Speed Twin. I must've watched all your Speed Twin videos numerous times. Inquired at my local triumph garage and two test-rides later I bought one!
Thankyou for your videos! Always enjoy watching them!
Gee whiz TMF, you really were in a bit of a mood when you recorded that! It came through very clearly. Is the lockdown getting to you?
How can he not be in a mood. It is almost May, and no riding!
@@CCitis I'm in Colorado where motorsports are considered essential!
@@CCitis , excellent point! :-)
@@i2ambler2002 Here in FL, its pretty much a year around. If you're one that loves rain riding.
That petrol gauge winge is a bit hilarious honestly. Why does it matter how quickly it goes up! You know there's a full tank of petrol, you just filled it up 😆
OCD works in mysterious ways.
Hate dige fuel gauge in block units
It’s a minor gripe but it just annoys me when it doesn’t need to happen....
It's a good job he's not got the 1992 trident the fuel light came on after quarter of a mile on a 25 LTE tank
See now I thought exactly the same. After visiting the petrol station, you know it's full up (I never usually do a partial fill up on any vehicle, car or bike ) BUT during lockdown, well we haven't been allowed to make non essential journeys, therefore petrol has been left sitting in my Speed Twin. The current E5 (5% ethanol) petrol can go off quite quick and gum things up. Yes I can use fuel stabiliser, which I had done, but it had been so long I thought best to syphon off the fuel into a jerry can, and put it in the car which at least does a few "essential" journeys.
Now with a fuel gauge that has the speed of a sloth on sedative drugs, I really don't know how much is in the tank. I know it's not a lot, but how much ? The gauge just keeps showing much more than I know is really in the tank.
My Street Triple suffers from exactly the same issue !
The front brake's glazed fella, do a couple of 'heavy' stops using the front brake to break the glaze and the squeak will go
Dave Blakeney agree - it works on mine!
@@mickcresswell1031 Yup, squeak gone here also!
Mine doesn't squeek ?
nope. tried that with mine a million times, does not work. squeaked from day one. but now the brake disc seems to be warped as a bonus. fun.
Yeap, had the same issue. It may happen during tough braking when it's cold and the pads are cold or in the rain. In case of a real issue, talking out the pads and a piece of sandpaper help.
The Speed Twin is my fav of all your bikes, with the little Honda close second. Great chat, keep them coming Andy, be safe.
Cheers Ken - you too!
I agree re: DRL. Brake really hard to get the abs to cut in on the front and that will probably clear the brake pad dust. If not, a dob of copper slip on the back of the pads at the next service will sort that.
Hi TMF,
I could live with most of these dislikes but the front brakes squealing would drive me mad. My GSXS did it for a while and every time I stopped it was like finger nails down a blackboard. I couldn’t stand it.
The indicators easily snapping off would also aggravate me. It would be one of those things that you realise could happen and you’ve got it in mind when you’re riding. Then one fine day you stop, dismount and clip the indicator...break it...then swear and curse your way to get your coffee. Should be mounted near the license plate in my humble opinion.
Thanks for putting out videos during this covid crap...always good to see you 👍.
Cheers.
Thank you Peter - to be honest the brake squeal isn’t thaaaat bad, just an annoyance when it happens....
Andy, just bear in mind that if you've just filled your tank up you don't really need to be looking at your fuel gauge, surely it's better to have something that's more accurate lol
Andy love your work mate keep it up, from Brisbane Australia. I have just bought a speed twin (traded up from the street cup) and after 3000km including some touring I love the bike, and your reviews definitely gave some great insights into the pros & cons. I have already put the V&H cans on and a Dart flyscreen is on order to help a bit with touring.
I noted your comment on the rear indicators, and just wanted to let you know that I have installed a ventura rack (EVO) which is a very simple DIY install, and allows a range of luggage from 10litres up to 60 litres. The reason I mention it is that the rack totally protects the rear indicators, apart from the benefits of taking some gear on longer rides.
Anyway, keep up the good work and stay safe. Cheers Jim
Cheers Jim - good call!
The brake reservoir is not only cheap looking, it looks like it obscures some of the speedo.
Change the handle bars
anyone know why sometimes they chose to have the reservoir in a round container with a cap on top and sometimes in an, often rectangular, closed black container? Personally since i see the round container on performance machines it makes me associate the 'cheaper, looking reservoir with faster bikes.
sam The smaller round ones are most of the times external reservoirs for radial brake pumps. The rectangular ones are builtin on regular brake pumps. The radial brake pumps are supposed to have a better brake feel. Haven’t tried one myself yet.
@@TreyyDaMenaceFan Good question! I'm looking at a Brembo plastic reservoir that costs £50. There must be a good reason why track bikes have these so called cheap reservoirs.
All I can think of is that they're lightweight, transparent so the fluid can be easily seen, easy to open (fluid has to be changed between races), and simple with few points of failure.
You're experimenting with a more dynamic filming style. I like it.
Err am I? Great - glad you like it Bill!!!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Faster more spontaneous pace seemed less scripted. Handheld camera movement, pulling back to frame the shot, it has a different look. Thought it was intentional.
I think you need to do some work on your speedy
1. Sort brakes
2. Turn Monza cap round
3. Change indicators
4. Have patience with gauge
5. Accept lights, why do you need drl when you have dipped beam
6. Change brake reservoir
This will keep you busy and stop cabin fever
Finally be grateful
I bought a 2012 Street Triple in black and gold because I loved your bike, Flyer. Now I'm looking at Speed Twins, and you've sold me on yet another Triumph
I actually think I prefer my Speed Twin to ride than the Street Triple - though I prefer the looks of the Street….
Can certainly understand your frustration with the fuel cap situation, would bug me firstly that It’s not one of those Hinge cap style ones and secondly that you have to screw it round 5 times🤣They might as well have just given you a screw driver.
Hey mate this might be 2 years late but I have a Thruxton R and you’re not meant to use the key to twist the cap. You twist it once to unlock, then use the finger indents to twist the cap itself to unscrew. Then you screw back on, and the key is a single twist to lock.
Indeed….
Haha - I was thinking the same thing.
As my wife would say about him, "awww, isn't he cute?!".
OTOH, when my does something silly, I say, "you're so pretty!". 🤣
I agree only the daylight running lights should come on. That is how it works in cars and vans. Surely a simple fix
But cars and Van's don't have there lights permanently written into law like motorcycles do. I bet triumph have to have it this way round and a light to warn you the DRL is on.
I think just about all EU member states and US & Canada require dipped headlights to be on at all times on motorcycles. DRL only could get you a ticket. And other than for vanity reasons or as parking lights, I really don't see why I would use DRL only.
Can't the switch just have the wires flipped?
@@sv650nyc7 I think a DRL is generally brighter than a dipped headlight and doesn't look like it's flashing as you go over bumps in the road. Much safer in my opinion.
@@simonrichards5430 I don't think it's a proper switch and the default will always be the dipped headlight.
Good video and nice to see you on the Bennetts U-Tube channel.
Glad you liked it!
Somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning!
naff (UK slang): poorly thought out; in poor taste.
your workbench looks very clean !
Lots of passion in this video. The next The Top 6 Things I lurve about my Triumph Speed Twin. The fuel filler cap would be the thing, like with TMF, that would also push me over the edge.
I made that video a while back!
@@TheMissendenFlyer And it was good, no fakery involved.
I guess we know who scuffs all the saddlebags at the dealership.
It better be good, I’ve just placed an order on a used one (1,000 miles) and it will be my return to bikes after an 8 year hiatus, can’t wait till it’s delivered! Keep up the good work Andy. You need to do more reviews on your biking gear.
You'll love it - congratulations!! (and yes, more reviews coming on kit...
I’ve thought about the daytime running lights issue (I have a Speed Twin) - I think it’s more of a warning that you only have the DRL on rather than full (dipped) headlights on for when you ride at night. If the opposite was the case I think it’d be easy to forget to put the lights on full (dipped) beam.
What the hell is a dipped headlight?
@@holdencaulfied7492 Just what it says: the headlamp beam is dipped, not on full (raised) beam. Perhaps we're suffering from translation loss?
@@gerrycollins2335 Must be a British term. Go Manchester United!
I have a 2022 Speed Twin, and I like this channel a lot! I have different quibbles with the bike. First, the good news: the Brembo M50 are excellent and they don't squeal. I don't care much for the fuel cap (the plastic one feels a bit cheap), the brake fluid tank (I actually like that it's all clear), or the slow fuel gauge. The light switches are different on my US model, so that doesn't apply; and indicators are different now. Let's talk instead about the *real* flaws of the bike, in order of importance.
FIRST: the tank capacity. 3.8 gallons is way, way too small. 120-130miles range (including reserve) is just unacceptable for travelers and commuters alike. Besides, the tank feels and looks too small. Add a gallon, please.
SECOND: the heat. The engine really, really heats up too much. I also have a Tuono 1100, and that bike doesn't heat as much! This is Panigale-level stuff. Nothing that can be done about this.
THIRD: the standard saddle. It's a friggin' wooden plank. The optional saddle is better and also better-looking. They could have that one standard, and maybe charge $50 more, and everyone would be happier.
FOURTH: no cruise control? Really?? It's a $50 add-on. A switch and some standard injection electronics. Even sport bikes have it (again my Tuono does), and they are not meant for traveling.
FIFTH: the rear suspension. It's just not great. It feels underdamped.
SIXTH: engaging the side stand is hard, esp. with a boot; annoying.
Summing up: every bike has shortcomings and so does the Speed Twin. If you add mine and yours, that is quite a few. For me, however, only the first one is a mortal sin. The second one is very annoying but ok. The others are either minor or they can be remedied. It's a positive sign that Triumph has already improved suspension and brakes. Others will come.
Interestingly the squeaky front brakes were the main reason I canceled my order it just shouldn’t happen plus I agree with you about the brake reservoir and fuel cap pretty cheap and nasty for the price you pay for the bike Cheers Chips.
Yes yes.... you just justify your way out of the purchase of a Speed Twin .... my squeak left after bike was run in. Just leave the Speedie for riders who love torque, handling and shooting the breeze with admirers of modern classics. Owning one is a dream.
To remove squealing you apply brake grease on the edges of the caliper pistons, make sure the pads come with metal shims, or change the pads to softer material (the commonly used sintered HH pads are overkill for most riders anyways). Many ways to alleviate squealing brakes for cheap and it can be an issue on any bike. To not buy a bike for that reason seems strange.
Di Korlaet Firstly I own 2 Triumph Motorcycles a 2012 Street Triple R and a 2018 Tiger 800 which are both great bikes plus I also have 3 other bikes which does include a retro as well plus I also ride about 20000km annually so I wasn’t trying to justify not purchasing the bike ,to me when you’re buying a premium brand these sorts of things should not happen and when I started to do a bit of research it seemed to be a problem with the T120 and the Speed Master as well and apparently Triumph didn’t want to know about it when people complained which I thought was pretty ordinary that’s why I didn’t go through with the purchase.
I am upgrading soon I am still in the fence between the speed twin and the Z900RS. Love your videos thanks for sharing
My pleasure....
My Tuono doesn't even have a fuel guage.
Most people commenting here clearly haven't watched your many previous videos to understand whey you do the "x things I hate about y" videos. Neither do they listen when you say "I know you can add copperslip but should you have to ...?". I have and hence I appreciate the content. Keep it up!
And the one thing you like about the Triumph is it's not a Harley!😁
I rode a harley many yrs ago my friends electraglide I believe it was huge steered badly and the brakes were shit oh and it was underpowered and sluggish he'd put thousands of aftermarket stuff on including brakes!! I was gobsmacked at how shit it was I'd never buy or own a harley they are just posing machines
Nice too see you back ,good advice thanks 👍
I haven't been anywhere!!???
I sense "cabin fever" taking hold TMF??.......OR are "Top five things I LOVE about my Triumph Speed Twin " coming next??
...already done that one Iain - you must have missed it...
@@TheMissendenFlyer oh........my bad! I will look. All the best TMF
Rode the speed twin one week ago and loved every second on it. It took me by surprise how good it felt to ride this bike.
I am also with you on the fuel meter thing. In 2020? Ridiculous.
My 2010 Sprint 1050 does the same.....freaked me out when I first filled it up.
Cheers pall! I want to buy one and was struggling to find some healthy criticism! Still thinking of buying it!
Oh yes I love mine, these criticisms of mine are minor....
Is it me or is it his old age kicking in 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
After two weeks ownership....poor headlight... makes Night time riding a chore. Gearing far too low. Ordered a 39 tooth rear sprocket for a less (7.7%) frantic feel and a little more time in each gear,to enjoy the torque etc. Squeeling front brake,as mentioned here. Absolutely love the bike,and enjoying rectifying the minor annoyances. Bike benefited a lot from fuel booster,performance air filter,throttle spacer and de-cat exhaust system. Fly screen and possibly a single pannier to follow. Love the videos 👍
Seems we concur! Thanks for watching…
Made in Thailand 😂 love my old SE am tempted to switch to a newer model. The new street twin with improved brakes etc looks promising and might be a good chill option for me. I always find get the second gen of new models , quirks ironed out 😁
Yes, glorious Thailand made bike making it very good value in Canada. Feels premium ....love mine......
Good to see you're not a complete Triumph fanboy :-) I watched a review from a popular RUclipsr in Tampa Florida and he pointed out how the sun reflected badly off the dials. I do think the Speed Twin is Triumph's best looking bike. Personally I would like to see all Triumphs have dual round headlights as their styling signature or an accessory option to retro fit them.
Yes I quite like that idea I must say....we get so little sun that reflections not an issue for me!!
@@TheMissendenFlyer God bless Blighty :)
When it's a 'premium machine'? You believed the salesman selling you that Thailand built thing then I take it? lol!
Good morning MrF. Totally agree for the reservoir and fuel cap. Absolutely rubbish for the price! Make some TMF ones! The lights don’t have to be like that. Main lights and running lights should be totally automatic for both. If my Renault Clio can do it, so can Triumph. For the fuel gauge, I always know when I’ve filled up because you can see petrol at the brim 😉😉. Anyway, I’ve been riding on road since 1977 and none of my bikes to this day have ever had a fuel gauge, and I’ve never run out of petrol. The most annoying thing though about the Speed Twin is that I haven’t got one! 😂😂. Stay safe bud and have a good one! 👍
Cheers Steve - you too!
I hope Stuart fillingham doesn’t see this 😮
Why?
TheMissendenFlyer haha only joking, just loves his triumphs!
@@GadgetMart Stuart now seems to be saying Triumph's are overpriced compared to his RE Interceptor. Although I guess he still loves them.
Surely he doesn't watch TMF.
splodge 57 he does he was bitching a week or so ago suggesting Andy was out making videos during the lockdown, stupid old fart.
Having just bought my first ever Triumph, this was an interesting video. I agree with you about the brake reservoir, it's the same on my Street Scrambler...it simply doesn't look the same quality as the rest of the bike. Interestingly the filler cap on mine is very nice quality, lockable (unlike the previous model), easy opening affair. The quirky fuel guage seems to be a uniquely Triumph thing. My bike is exactly the same, but I've never experienced it with any other brand of bike. Notwithstanding your list of six, I imagine the thing you hate most about it, is that you can't ride it at the moment! Keep up the good work.
Yes very true Gareth! This list is irrelevant when you ride the bike as it’s such a joy to ride....I love the comfort, the sound, the looks....great bike (hence why I bought it!)...
Try getting out the other side of the bed tomorrow TMF😀
Makes me chuckle that the DRLs still irk you. You've had this niggle for years!
I agree with you on the brake fluid reservoir. It should be anodised on the premium models. I do love your STR reservoirs. I need to get some for mine.
Bummer about the indicators! Not what I would expect.
Thanks for the video. Great as always!
All these really are minor niggles, I love the bike overall ....a joy to ride (not that I’ve ridden it much!!)....
Beats me why all these premium modern bikes have these dodgy reservoirs on them anyway, if bikes in the 90's had them integrated into the levers, why not now! Looks so much better.
I bought NOS Daytona anodized reservoir for my Speed Twin at half the cost of a new item specifically for the Speed Twin - I simply used the original bracket instead of the Daytona item.
Rather disappointed by your post Mr Flyer. ‘Hate’ is such an emotive word, meaning intense or extreme feeling. What you are referring to are niggles or general dislikes. Nothing is perfect even on top quality machines like your speed twin.
We expect more when we lay down serious cash. Nothing is perfect but these things are simply careless design and completely avoidable.
Agreed David...gets views though.
Great review as always but seriously, you need to chill. Hang on in there, we’ll be out riding soon I’m sure.
Typical winging Pom! None of the things you mentioned are a real issue.
Cheers for that Brian - all the best mate!!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Maybe he should try spelling Whingeing properly!
@@stevenhill6214 Maybe he meant to say whining ?
He was just winging it :)))
@@barriewilliams4526 Typical arrogant Aussie, can't spell for shit.
I hope Triumph listen to you and sort these things out.
That would be nice...but I'm not holding my breath!!
Nice video mate,enjoyed it 👍
Thanks for these! Exactly the things you never hear about in other reviews.
I aim to please!
OMG, the DRL switch and whether you're in dipped or not drives me absolutely bananas! So glad I'm not the only one that finds the light on/off logic completely backwards, drives me nuts on my Street RS!
I agree, there is always something(s) about a bike that just eat at us. But we love the bike anyway. One with my Goldwing is the turn signal/horn location -always honking when I don't mean to.Also, I finally settled on a garage mate for my Goldwing -although choices were limited by availability and logistics during this lockdown I knew I wanted an RE, Guzzi, or Triumph. I found a pristine 2006 Triumph Bonneville (6k miles and one owner) base (I think, it has a decal rather than a badge on the tank). The previous owner had put on aftermarket exhaust, rejetted the carbs, a pillion cowl, café bars, and mirrors that look a lot like yours. She's a beauty (all black, engine included) and she runs like a scared cat. Sounds great as well. I tell you all this because your Triumph reviews are what inspired me to look at Triumph in the first place. Thanks and stay well!
Tha fuel cap looks like a holy crap moment waiting to happen. Thanks for the videos, always top quality Andy.
Agreed, the indicators are flimsy. Half of one of mine has disappeared ,put a bit of coppaslip on the back of the pads. It's what they will do at the dealership so why not do it yourself, it works.
I daren't fiddle with my brakes....
Good stuff, it’s very useful to get owner feedback around niggles, no big deal but good to know. My Street Triple RS is undoubtedly the best road bike I’ve owned (and I’ve got a V4 Factory as well), DRL. Disagree, you want the warning light in the daytime, at night you can see the headlights are on. Fuel cap, totally agree that is a bit pants, a proper alloy “Le Mans” cap would be much better, Brake reservoir, yeah I bought both the billet alloy ones for mine are they are much classier, that said nearly all Bikes have the plastic things, even a premium machine has to be built to a price. Fuel gauge, seems very sluggish my Street takes about 100 yds. I think the indicator is the same as mine, it just seems to be unfortunately placed on the twin. It is a real challenge to find fault with modern bikes, they’re all so good now.
That's very true....I struggled to come up with these...
I think you are spot with regards to the DRL switch, what a pain!
Glad it’s not just me!
Hate's a bad word to use, 'Annoys Me' much better to use IMO, You're spot on about the light switching, doesn't make sense except to the euro bods , some bikes might not have running lights so it's probably more regulations than common sense, Fuel Cap and Cover, Micky Mouse is an understatement, what's going on with the numberplate number, didn't take you for a numberplate vanity bod.
That number plate came with the bike, nowt to do with me! - I don't to personalised plates myself (My Mrs wouldn't let me as she reckons only people with "more money than sense" buy them)....shame 'cos there's lots of "TMF" options to choose from!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Top man thought it wouldn't be you! having said that, TMF 1 would be a lot better than SXE!
...yes, again I repeat, nowt to do with me!!!
i really wanted to keep my Triumph but it too had a loud squeak/chirp but it was the belt that dealership could never fix. when i rode in a group, whenever we slowed to a stop it was so loud everyone would look down at their bike and then look around trying to figure out what the sound was. i just joined them pretending it wasn't my new Triumph. i never understood the fuel gauge delay. no other bike ive owned had such a strange fuel read. and finally, one end of the handlebar was a bit higher than the other and it drove me nuts. something else they claimed they couldn't fix. had to just trade it in and be done.
Sounds like you had a dud!
Little tip M.F. keep a eye on that clutch cable not rubbing on the wiring loom . A lot of Triumph owners still having issues with wiring loom after they have had bracket mod done by Triumph ,so much so some owners taking the clutch cable out of the top and bottom bracket to stop the rubbing .This is going to bite Triumph in the rear . On another note Motone customs do a sensible petrol cap non locking ,makes things so much easier. Go steady.
Thanks, will do!
It's funny how many people go to the 'trouble' to watch YOUR video about YOUR opinion, then go to the trouble to tell you that YOUR opinions are wrong! :) People have too much free time on hand I suppose. Thanks for the info
"Too much freetime to watch videos". Well , we are all under lockdown !
Agree totally about the daytime running lights and that squeaky front brake would make me embarrassed every time I came to a stop at traffic lights. I'm really pleased that you're still observing the lockdown and showing a good example to us motorcyclists, I've just unsubscribed from ChaseOnTwoWheels as he's out on his bike cruising corona town.
I think it varies by state but judging by the one US You Tuber I regularly watch, riding is carrying on as normal there....complete with bike meets and rides with your mates!!
Completely agree with you on the brakes, thought that was just mine, the lights and reservoir. Like you I love the bike bar those minor issues. The usb charger and no we here to easily feed wire is a bit frustrating.
Glad we concur!
It was your reviews that convinced me to get a speed twin. I’ve only been riding 6 months and love it. I originally got a tiger 800 but didn’t get on with it. I’m heading to Swindon today for the 500 mile service, although I’ve gone a bit over that. Where can I get a replacement reservoir from which looks better. Your videos are great BTW really useful in the decision making processes.
All valid criticisms and as with all things, opinions are subjective. When I buy a bike, I factor in all things I'll be changing (prioritizing over time). I know you do the same. My 2013 Street Triple R had squeaky rear brakes. Pad swap fixed that. You've discussed the lights vs. switches in the UK in the past, I agree with you. Over here in the USA, the daytime running lights up with the low beams by default, so it's not an issue here. The fuel cap, I'd look into unlocking it and leaving it or get a new cap to use under the 'cover'. I swap out those plastic brake reservoirs; never been a fan but that's almost universal on all bikes from the factory. I swap out my rear light for one with integrated turn signals - here in the US the DOT forces manufacturers to use big ugly plastic 'pumpkin' indicators. Drives me buggy. We almost always HAVE to replace the indicators one way or another with LEDs - so for the rear, I prefer integrated versions. Making a bike "your own" is a (sometimes slow) process but that journey is part of the package in my opinion. That hoodie is rather smart looking and I've now ordered one.
Standby for a LOT of female attention Scott!! Al the best - A
I agree totally with your six gripes. A premium priced machine should have premium parts. Triumph have a bit of a reputation for this sort of thing. How about a similar video about your RE Interceptor?
That's on it's way too don't you worry! Stay tuned.....
I've got one from Triumph UK at the moment (for much longer than planned too). That fuel cap bamboozled the heck out of me the first time I filled up. Why? Why did they do this?! Good video TMF.
I wish I knew.....they put perfectly good caps on their other bikes!
Nice vid. I think it's good to be honest as you see it, about the niggles on the bike as it's the only way things will improve. No point having rose tinted specs because you own it imo. I've never owned a bad bike but I've also never owned a perfect one.
I'm with you there - although to be fair this does come close, it is a lovely bike to ride and own...
@@TheMissendenFlyer Yes it is a lovely bike & I really like the engine especially. Also a testament to it is that your dislikes are very minor in the grand scheme of things.
Exactly!
I agree the lights are back to front. Personally I'd always go for transparent plastic reservoirs so I can see if I'm likely to crash any time soon!
TMF, I agree with your list and am happy that they're rather minor items. I also agree that this is an epic bike and a keeper. It checks more boxes for me than any of my other bikes, past and present. I plan to do the gauge face update as seen in your other videos. Am also converting to the euro-spec directionals and appreciate the warning about their fragility. Keep up the great work!
Cheers Tom - love my Speed Twin, brilliant bike....
Day time running light comment - the warning light is so you don’t jump on at night and think the full lights are on! You see it often on cars no rear lights but daytime fwd lights on.. fyi love your reviews
Cheers Mark!
I agree with the light's, my Ducati 1100 Scrambler is the right way around as you would know having riden one. There is also a setting (which I have turned off) that automatically puts dipped main light on and off depending on light. 😊
Sounds like a good feature!
I have some of the same complaints about my T120. While it takes a few miles after fill up to register a full tank at least it has a fuel gauge which my more expensive Aprilia Tuono Factory lacks!! Great video!
I’m heading to a dealership as soon as possible and buying one of these buggers. Absolutely beautifully machine
They are good - I agree!
Yay! A new TMF video. Life is good!
Good and constructive notes. Congrats.
Thank you
I recon the fuel cap and slow response gauge could be symptomatic of 'Generalised Fuel Anxiety'. Lol. Completely agree with your point about the lights, would be a huge improvement to swap them over. Keep well fella!
"Generalised Fuel Anxiety" - Maybe the design team at Triumph need to sort the fuel guage issue by having a chat with the company psychiatrist.
1st world problems 😄 I take your point though. I have a couple of Triumphs and a Honda CB500X that I bought towards the end of last year. The CB is a modestly priced bike in comparison, it's a cheap bike at
Yes there is no doubt Honda make a quality item! Reliable too!
Thanks for the thorough reviews Flyer. You have to wonder about companies that charge premium prices and then cut corners on things that you see or touch on a routine basis (gas cap, turn signals, fuel gauge and such). Beautiful bike though.
Yes, those are the things you need to get right!
In the US, motorcycle headlights are always on by default, and I've never owned a bike that had a switch to turn the lights on. By this logic, it's probable we don't get an option for daytime running lights. This may explain why the daytime running indicator light is reverse to what you'd expect. Otherwise owners in markets that have "always on" headlights would be seeing that green light all the time unless the high beams are on.
All those niggles would put me off this bike. The brake squeal is easily sorted by replacing the pads to softer organic ones. The sintered pads are far too hard and I’ve found that they score up your discs more quickly. Obviously the softer ones wear out a little more quickly but I find that they’re better. Like you said, a premium bike shouldn’t have these problems. Thanks for the video Andy 👍🏼 ps: I missed this one when you did it 11 months ago.
....actually the brake noise seemed to cure itself after a few hundred more miles...thanks for watching’
Love it TMF.
Can't you guys ride at all?
Here in Oz, at least we can still do a supermarket run on the bike.
Well technically you can but the risk of having an "off" and using valuable NHS resources is stopping me thus far...if things ease a little this could change but that's the current position...
Totally agree with your #3 brake reservoir complaint. I would go one further and ask why do all triumphs come with that little reservoir sticking up there - ugly and waiting to get ripped off. My Honda has a nice aluminum cast reservoir as part of the brake lever. You barely notice it and it’s nicely out of the way so it won’t get smucked if you happen to go down.
Great video fantastic bike my speed twin the breaks never squeak I love mine can not fault it stay safe 🇬🇧👍🏻
Don't get me wrong Richard - I love mine too - brilliant machine!
after being a serious TMF fan, and becoming a triumph fan-boy, I think I'm leaning toward the Street Scrambler for my first.. I love the T-120 (includes heated grips !! and center-stand !!) and was surprised these two options are either not stock equipment or even available on the Speed Twin. Thanks TMF
Exactly the same things that bother me about my Speed Twin. The indicators are different on my American version. Even with the minor inconveniences it’s a keeper for me too. Happy Trails.
I had a squeaky front caliper on my 1990 Moto Guzzi Le Mans. Brembo brakes also. I bought the bike new and tried everything, including lubricating the disc pad backing plate and changing the disc pads. I finally gave up and learnt to live with it. I owned and loved the bike for 11 years.
Yeah it's isn't a deal breaker for me - a minor annoyance at worst and it doesn't happen all the time....
Hi mate squeaky front discs try removing the brake pads and put a thin smear of copper grease on the back of the brake pads and all the way round the edge of the brake pistons , also wipe the disc rotors down with some panel prep to remove any traces of grease or wax this works every time for me. Cheers Martin ⚙️🔩🔧👍
Even I don't trust me to start messing with my brakes!
TheMissendenFlyer it’s Dead easy but if your not confident to do that you could try just degreasing the disc rotors and a light rub over with a fine wet & dry or Scotch-Brite to take the glares of them that might work.⚙️🔩🔧👍