Golf Shafts Comparison | Project X Iron Shafts
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- While the clubheads get the most attention, golf shafts are just as important in a golf club fitting. One of the most popular brands for golf shafts is Project X, which offers a variety of different golf shafts, especially for irons.
In this video, 2nd Swing's Thomas Campbell and Drew Mahowald conduct a head-to-head test using Trackman technology to compare the Project X steel iron shaft offerings available in 2nd Swing Tour Van golf iron fittings.
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I thought you guys were using Project X LZ 6.0 shafts for some reason. I got rid of my Ping i230s and returned to the Ping i210s, which felt much more solid. I was using NS Pro 120s and just bought a set of Ping i210s with the Project X LZ 6.5 shafts. No one was buying these clubs because of the 'scary' 6.5 shafts. You guys were right... I probably added 8+ yards, and the clubs feel great. I will be 59 in a couple of months and I can see using these clubs for at least another 5 years. I must have watched hundreds of your videos over the past year. Great job!!!!
You guys have been knocking it out of the park lately with not only the quality of your videos but the content too! Keep em coming! 👍 I was really interested in this one because back in 2019 I got fit into the MP18-SC and a shaft that wasn’t even close to being on my radar…PX6.5. I swing 6 iron around 90 mph, have a fairly aggressive transition, 4*-5* down with a fairly neutral path and my miss is left as a righty...over draw or a pull. I was 50 and had just gotten back into golf after an almost 10 year hiatus. I had been a DGX100 guy and went into my fit figuring I was going to be in a 120g S shaft. I tried Modus 120 S & X, DG120 S & X, CTaper 120S, KBS Tour 120 S, and PX6.0. Everything wanted to go left. My fitter then said “let’s try this just for fun” and handed me a PX6.5. I looked at him as if to say “no way!” It took me 3 swings to realize that was the shaft for me. For me it was a dispersion killer with tight baby draws and the occasional small push. Just goes to show that everyone’s swing reacts differently to shaft flex, weight, or the combination of both. For me it’s all about weight and how it affects my timing. I’ve since soft stepped them to add a little more feel (real or perceived). Since soft stepping them I feel like I don’t have to go after it on every swing just because the shaft label has PX6.5 on it.
Thanks for watching and your detailed fitting experience. Sounds like your fitter did a great job. PX 6.5 is sturdy but weighs a little less that X100 which sounds like might be a good mix of weight and stiffness. - Thomas
I have played DG S and R300 as well as Modus 120S. I tried the T100 today with the LZ 6.0. Wow! Felt great! I preferred it to the S300, Modus and the TT AMT.
Nice informative video. You two do a great job of presenting relevant information. This was a really good comparison of the Project X line of shafts. Your video seems to explain why my Project X 5.5 shafted irons almost always favor left of target and my LZ 5.5 shafts are more consitantly closer to the target line.
Great video. The other factor affecting spin is the golf ball, so we can put that into the mix and get a perfect result.
Great video, had the LZs 5.5 in one of my first sets and it was exactly what I needed as a beginner and was recently fit into the IO 6.0 which I really am loving.
Thanks for watching. Glad you found a shaft you are enjoying! - Thomas
Great video here boys! Information rich.
Love it! Keep 'em coming!
Thank you Thomas, I had the same experience during fitting, except IO I tend to miss right, didn't try the LS, PX was too stiff for me and tend to pull my shots
In the end I settled for LZ 5.5 with hot metal pro for more forgiveness . Nice video and very helpful information
Thanks for watching. It's important to compare at least 3-4 shafts for some golfers there is going to be noticeable differences for others it may not be as much - Thomas
It's crazy, I went and got fitted for some new irons and I had been playing 115g Nippon that were super stiff and I ended up up leaving with the Project X IO 6.0 at 110g. I literally could not make it go left or right for that matter and I picked up 2 MPH. This should not have been the shaft for me, but here we are lol.
Great vid guys. Big thanks for this one..
As a beginner, it is mind blowing how many variables there are. Once again, Thomas explains the data in simple terms so we can understand things a little better. Thanks for this informative video.
Thanks for watching, and the kind words! - Thomas
Just what I was looking for. Awesome. Thanks
Thanks for watching! What shaft are you playing in your irons? - Thomas
The LS is a frickin' rod. I miss the LS left also because I'm trying my best to load it, so I use my hands more and pull it left. I'm working too hard with it. I play X100 and the LS is an entirely different type of stiff.
Would love to see this test with the project driver shafts! This was a great video!!!
Thanks for the suggestion. Added to our list. - Thomas
Pure class as always boys. Not hit the IO yet but watching this video makes me want to go hit it, I have previously enjoyed the LZ shaft
I couldn't believe it either IO felt really good and I was expecting it to not perform as well as the heavier shafts. - Thomas
Thomas, the LZ is a great shaft. But you’d also play great with the IO. While they are similar, I feel more kick with the LZ and more stability with the IO 6.0.
Thanks for the feedback. IO did surprisingly feel great even if it was a littler lighter - Thomas
Great test
I put in the project x lo shaft this year, hopefully they produce
Several years ago I got fitted into the original Rifle shafts at Titleist teamed with AP2's and although my numbers were good I hated the lack of "feel" from the shaft, it always felt "dead" in my hands and it never felt as though I had "loaded" the shaft properly.
So as soon as I could I swapped out the Rifles and replaced them with Nippon NS Pros which gave me a much better feel. As a result, I have given Project X shafts a wide berth!
Thanks for your feedback! Feel is everything and it's going to be specific to every golfer. Glad to hear you found the NS Pros to work well for you! - Thomas
Px much stiffer feel than original Rifles
Great Iron shaft video. Thanks guys
I am currently playing around with all the Project X, LZ, LS, C-taper, TGI shafts. The LS definitely requires more work(feels heavier) and launches lower but that has been my favorite feel getting the club head through the dirt. That being said I had to double soft step them to get the launch window I wanted in my longer irons. I am going to be trying the io in the longer irons to see how that compares
I have the project x LS 6.5 and they feel great and have a real nice dispersion pattern for me
Thanks for letting us know how the golf shafts have been performing for you! - Thomas
Glad you found a shaft that is working for you! Thomas
Good Review.
But the Attack Angle is way wrong on all shots.
You could be at -4 to -5 for correct sweet spot hit.
Correct spin
And the feel of hitting the club
I have the project x LZ 105s in my callaway Apex16. I hit a draw. Bought the srixon ZX5 with nippon 105g stiff. I draw or hit them right. Not sure if either shaft is right? 7 iron club head speed105 mph. Not sure if i need a lighter or heavier shaft to straighten the ball out a little. I have a slower back swing and swing smooth thru the ball. The guy who fitted me. Couldn't find a shaft that i could hit straighter. We went 2 * flat. I drew the ball. 3* upright drew the ball. I have seen a video that you guy's did on that problem..Did he try heavier shafts? i dont know? He wouldnt let me see. I use to hit s300 staright. Just lower. 5 AND 6 irons came up short. I did have my left hip,left knee, and right ankle replaced. I just wish that i could get back to enjoying the game. I get frustrated when i aim right and hit it straight and miss the green right. no draw. Then i move to the left. Then it draws left of the green. I cant keep scrambling to score. I was a 6. now i cant break 80 hell 85 now.
Great test and information. Would like to see this comparison with other major shaft companies( kbs, Nippon, dynamic gold).
Thanks for the suggestion. A cross brand comparison is a great idea and is added to our list. - Thomas
Everything I am reading says the LZ is for more a smooth swing compared to standard project x. Been playing the LZ a long time making switch to standard shaft on new irons.
Great video, would love to see you guys do this with the Dynamic Gold and KBS shafts as well, believe you did it with the Nippon shafts a while back but more to do with weight and not the different families of shaft lines, but great informative video, 👍🏻
Love the suggestion! We have already filmed them and are in the editing queue already! Thanks for watching - Thomas
Wish there was a 2nd Swing in Wales.
Thanks for watching! Hopefully we go global one day! - Thomas
You loved the feel of the IO. Feel is everything.
I play the IO'S with Apex Pros and love them!
Which stiffness? 6.0?
Thank you. Have plans to do the Project X Graphite Shafts?
Wish you had included the C-Taper / C-Taper lite always confuse me the differences to Proj X
Thanks for watching. We have a KBS Video coming soon as well. - Thomas
Hey guys, I’m thinking of putting the io’s into my mizuno mp-18’s. I’m tall and like the idea of a lighter longer shaft…
Are the project x io an updated version of project x tour flighted?
In regards to spin ..I have heard the general rule is number club x 1000 is what the spin should be … I had a guy at golf store telling me I was spinning too much it was 6000 with 7 iron.. which is correct ? Proj x seem to spin less
The very stiff tip and butt with mid flex was a winning formula for Gerry Hogan"s Nunchuk design.
Not surprising that others are jumping on this since Mr Hogans patent expired.
"I came into this review with very low expectations for the feel of Project X graphite. I will happily report that I was wrong to expect so little. To me, the Project X feels most similar to the Nunchuk: a solid, “one-piece” feel with very little kick or torque."
Thanks for providing us your feedback - Thomas
I’ve been playing x100 and Mizuno fit me in the 6.5 LS and it’s a night and day difference. Much prefer LS shaft. I didn’t have to work as hard. Was hitting the pro 223s flush
Thanks for your feedback. - Thomas
ha that’s funny i have the same setup 👍👍
Owsome work guys now can ya do one with kbs range next please😆
It's coming we promise just needs to be edited - Thomas
Thomas,
I have a quicker transition and aggressive swing too. No Ernie Els here. I like the smooth feel of a Modus 120 S, but I feel the middle of the shaft bowing on me. Thinking about trying the X flex and maybe soft stepping it. 1. How do you think the Project X LZ & IO compare to Modus 120? 2. Thoughts on the Modus 125? KBS C Taper? What are your top picks for a quick transition and aggressive swing?
I also tend to come over the top unfortunately. Thanks, Joe.
I like the C-Taper as a favorite for a quicker transition. I play the LZ and I have a quicker transition but I like the feel in the midsection. Modus 120 or IO might be a little light/soft. I would say top 3 to try are C-Taper, LZ and Modus 125 in that order. - Thomas
Thank you Thomas!
@@2ndswing What about standard px6.0 for this case?
I have been playing a dynamic gold s300 for a few years and thought it was to stiff for me. I’m considering going project x 5.5 but you’ve just said the 6.0 is close to an x-stiff to other brands so a 5.5 would be close to a stiff to other brands? Correct? If so what brands? Dynamic gold?
I have the LZ 5.5 shafts & they’re heavy. It feels like a rod, I can’t feel anything. My iron swing is 85-87 but they don’t feel good. Looking towards a softer lighter shaft. Feels like too much effort & no feel.
Surprised that the the ls spun more than the x
Is the IO 6.0 more on the stiffer side of stiff or “true” to stiff? I have a fast transition with a 7iron swing speed around 90. Wondering if I should go with the 6.0 or 6.5 in the IO?
IO is a touch softer. LS, LZ and PX 6.0 would be on the stiffer side - Thomas
Great video👍🏻 I was exactly looking for this comparison. Keep producing such good content. For a very aggressive swing tempo, a steeper angle of attack and a clubhead speed of around 90-92mph with a 7 iron, what do you recommend? ProjectX 6.5 or ProjectX LZ 6.5? Appreciate your work and an answer. Regards
Currently I have the KBS $ Taper X130 gr in my Gen 1 TM P790’s. I swing my 6 iron +95 mph with a 135mph ball speed. What version of the Project X IO would you recommend?
Both are good options but I would also include the LS in the mix with an aggressive swing tempo. My rank for you would by PX, LX then LZ but it's going to be player dependent. - Thomas
If looking at IO 6.5 You have some speed so I would consider PX or LS shafts over the IO, 6.5 flex - Thomas
@@2ndswing thank you so much
Hi Thomas, did you mean to say you are testing 6.5 flex shafts and not 6.0? I beleive you play 6.5 which would make more sense and explain the LZ to IO performance differences.
We actually tested with the 6.0's for this video so we could do the entire range with the same flex based on what we had with our fitting components. 6.5 generally is about 5g heaver than 6.0. - Thomas
Does anyone know if there is a difference between the lz 6.0 and 6.5 besides 5 grams of weight? Thanks
I would say that's it mate
Increase in overall Stiffness also as Weight goes up.
Intro music over the top...kinda like my swing
Can the flex of you shaft cause you to push or pull and how do you measure it? I have steel in my Pings, stock and two
Calloway’s with Project X 5.5. I’m considering Project X in the Pings… thoughts / concerns? Thanks
What Project X shaft is comparable to $-taper 120?
Great question! Due to the elongated step-pattern in the $-taper shafts, the $-taper does tend to play a little stiffer than the KBS Tour. The $-Taper also has a tendency to be a little more friendly on lowering a spin rate for a player. With that being said, I would say the Project X 6.0 Rifle (stepless shaft), would be the closest comparison to the KBS $-Taper 120. Also helps that they're equivalent weight at 120grams. -Danny
You can hard step the 6.0 or soft step the 6.5😊
I have been using modus 3 105 stiff for a while. I wanna try to IO shaft. Should I try the 5.5 or 6.0? for some reason IO 5.5 is listed as regular but 6.0 is stiff
I love this video. I'm a s300 player now bit going for fitting soon and want to try lots of shafts. I really don't like the feel of px original but which would be closest to s300?
PX is going to be pretty close the LS and LZ would be the other options to consider from Project X. Possibly try KBS Tour or $Taper. - Thomas
@@2ndswing thanks for your help Thomas I actually play the kbs tour graphite in my hybrids
I game an LZ 5.5 in a JPX 900 head. Would the IO 6.0 be slightly stiffer than the LZ 5.5? Thanks, great vid.
Slightly stiffer and heavier
@@paulc9684 The IO is definitely lighter than the LZ.
Attack angle on a 7 iron -1.0?? 🤔
At least it's not positive today :) One of my flaws is my attack angle is very shallow, probably from hitting off mats too often. That is why the spin is on the lower side in testing. - Thomas
I play the LZ 6.0 115g in my Ping G485's But I was fitted and bought Titleist T300 with the Red AMT shaft. What is the difference
I presume meant G425 irons? Difference is a constant weight shaft vs ascending mass, with the AMT your 4iron shaft will be lighter than your PW while LZ will all be the same weight. AMT will also be a little lighter than the LZ - Thomas
This is interesting as I play the px 6.0 rifle but recently swung a friends 2 iron with the LZ 6.0, it felt amazing and went dead straight. So i had my mind set on the LZ but now I am intrigued by the IO, ss 90mph with 6 iron. I don't really have the facilities closeby to get fit so is it too much of a gamble going blind with the IO over the LZ? Thanks in advance for any responses!
Difference is IO is going to be lighter and in the longer irons easier to get the ball in the air. LZ is just a constant shaft the has a softer midsection feel but heavier. Similar swing speed to me. If you hit long irons well LZ is probably a winner but if you struggle with long irons (which I doubt based on a LZ 6.0 success in a 2iron) try IO. - Thomas
@@2ndswing looking to get a mizuno 225 2 iron in IO. 5.5 or 6.0 available. I play modus 120s in irons and always play stuff shafts. Do you think 5.5 or 6.0 would be better? I played 5.5 LZs last year and they were heavy for me. Def couldn’t play 6.0 in LZ...
I have a Hzrdus Project X 76g for my driver, I usually play Apollo steel for every else. Should I switch? And keep it all 76g?
You don't have to stay with Project X all the way through. If you have 76g in your driver you will want 10g heavier in your fairways and and another 10g heavier in your hybrid if you play one. I would also recommend the higher weighted steel iron shafts (120-130g) based on you playing a 76g driver shaft. - Thomas
Could you guys try the Project X IO in the callaway X forged
Thanks for watching. The IO is a stock offering for the X-Forged this year. We might be able to do a stock v stock video. You have created more content ideas for us. Thank You - Thomas
Bought a Ping G410 new club with a Project X stiff shaft. Broke at the hosel on hole #1 of my first round. I had hit maybe 30 range balls before that. Also my daughters boyfriend had 2 shafts break at the hosel two months after buying the irons. I returned my club and got the Ping shaft. Never Project X again.
That's interesting. I hope you had it taken care of under warranty - Thomas
@@2ndswing brought the driver from The Golf Warehouse and they warrantied the club by refund. I then bought from TGW the same Ping but with a Ping shaft. No issues three weeks now.
Hey. I watch your RUclips channel regularly .
I’m a gear junkie. I’m going to getting a new set of clubs next season. I’m currently gaming srixon 585/785 irons. I’m a picker/sweeper so I don’t love the soles anymore. If I bought them again I would have gotten more 785’s then 585. Looking for a great feeling tweener iron. I’m looking for great looks, feel, and turf interaction, and not much offset. I want forgiveness. I don’t want to make the game any harder. 8 handicap. I hit the ball decent just care about stability and then secondly working the ball. I do like to shape shots but care more about stability.
Any irons come to mind? I have seen the photos of the new mizuno, ping, and some others irons for 2021. I currently have jacked lofts but I am open. I Figured I would ask and see what you thought? Thanks in advance for your time.
The new t200 from titleist would probably be an iron that fits many of the points you are looking for. Little to no offset, small compact headshape but also packs a fair bit of tech and forgiveness inside. Soft feel with some forgiveness as well as the ability to shape shots.
@@olivegarden2670 thanks for the response. I love the look of the t200. Probably the nicest looking iron for me over the ball. I didn’t love the feel and sound. I am willing to try again. But as random as it sounds the few times I have to hit it out of a weird shot left handed, I’m not sure the back of the club would hold up.
I really do appreciate you taking time to respond
@@ryang1910 What ??
@@joelane2845 what?
I would have to agree with the other comment's here T200/T100S, possibly Callaway Apex as well. - Thomas
So I used to play project x. The 6.0 was a bit too loose, but the 6.5 was a bit too stiff. Do you think the 6.5 LZ may be a good fit?
Perfect fit in the middle. I was in similar circumstances. Played X100, (too stiff) played C-Taper Lite 115X (too flexible) LZ 125g was perfectly in the middle with a slightly softer mid section - Thomas
@@2ndswing Thanks for the reply!
Try a 6.0 X LZ, the X LZ plays 0.5 "Stiffer" than the X.
(Don't believe me, try to find a 7.0 X LZ.)
@@apaulmcdonough2170 I actually ended up going with KBS Tour S+ shafts and I'm loving them so far!
I have the KBS Max 85 Steel, and am considering purchasing the Project X Rifle 5.5. Do you think the Project X 5.5 would be comparable to my current KBS’s or would they be a bit more stiff?
Thanks.
How does the modus 130 compare to the lz?
The most obvious answer would be weight Modus 130 actually is 129g in x-stiff and stiff is 124g LZ 6.5 125g and 6.0 is 120g. So slightly heavier with Modus 130. Midsection is a little softer with LZ and is more of a lower launch than Modus 130. Modus 130 is unique as a heavier shaft that can provide higher trajectories compared to shafts in it's weight class. - Thomas
@@2ndswing thanks for the response. What about spin? Specifically in lz 6.0 vs s flex 130. I currently play lz 6.0 but could use a bit more height and spin. Club speed is decent with driver at 105 mph and I make a fairly aggressive move at the ball but I struggle with low spin for some reason.
@mike maupin modus 105 x will give you more height and spin.
But is a trade off for weight which imo affects your tempo/takeaway
Shafts are just as important has the Club Head itself. Get the wrong Shaft and you will lose distance and accuracy.
Much much stiffer
Went from project x 6.5 to the LS 6.5. Was a great move for me.