I watched it with my daughter today. She turned it off before it was even over. Disney, when a 10-year-old thinks your Peter Pan movie is boring and stupid, you've failed.
I love most Disney movies and even as an adult and I could not sit through it🥱. I feel like if they could not copy the original or make it better than the Robin Williams version (which will be very hard) then they should have waited😢
If a woman can't be powerful without beating men or degrading men... She is not strong, just an agenda. A strong woman shows you she is strong without having to tell you.
Funny, I do know one nation always go around and announce they're strong (even claim they're stronger than U.S) ;) ;) Maybe, this movie is their movie =))
Like Furiosa in Mad max fury road. She is mostly silent but you can tell she is strong because of her actions, not just a dialog, she isn't trying to prove her strength to other. That's an empowering woman character done right
Yes. Exactly. Very smart observation. They should find a way to empower femininity itself not just having a vagina and then being a man with it. It's like they already decided that men have it figured out, being a boy and then a man is the right way to be and being a feminin nurturing soul, a future mother ist nothing but a BREEDING COOKING SLAVE (Not acknowledging that you would "breed" and "nurture" your own beloved family but if you work for strangers it's empowering. So. Stupid. So backwards. My girlfriend (who has become conservative now with me in this relationship over time) has recently been offended because I said "man I wish to be in the garden and working for us with my hands and creating beautiful things for us with my own labor. And then you would bring me snacks and something to drink out that would be so wholesome" . She was INSTANTLY offended with a "wow......." Not realizing that 1) I work for US way harder in that moment so actually I would be the oppressed one 2) that there is no fucking oppression at all going on in the first place!! And 3) that everything she thinks is attractive on a man like having the ability to build something or doing hard Labor for his family willfully has the exact equivalent in the feminin realm. WE find it attractive when women are nurturing and trying to serve us as well. That's not patriarchy. That's not oppression. That's being a team and a family that loves so much that it wants to serve and provide.
what's funny is that feminists think this is what lifts women up, makes them strong, when actually they're still just gloryfying men, because they're basically saying that a woman can't be strong and inspiring unless she becomes a man, or acts like the man, or has the same physical capabilities as a man. In the end you're still just making men out to be the better gender and it's honestly so fucking funny
So basically they took a character that cared about strangers and turned her into a character that wants to justify only caring about herself? What a great moral to the story.
A very appropriate moral for the Disney execs who seem to care only about themselves and their agenda and don't care at all about what the public actually wants to see.
Tinkerbell was a firecracker FULL of personality! She was super jealous and protective of Peter Pan and the Lost Boys. She was full of attitude and sass. Peter Pan was known for his bravery and fearlessness, which beautifully harmonized the dynamic between him and Wendy, who was the "Mother" figure. She was nurturing and caring and brought a sense of comfort and order to the otherwise chaos and immaturity of the boys. Absolutely NOTHING in this version resonates with the original. Another Disney disappointment.
@@skootergirl22 Exactly! She literally set up traps and would maniacally lay and wait to watch Wendy get taken out and would throw a tantrum kicking the air when it didn't work or act all innocent and hide if Peter caught her trap for Wendy and stopped it... I can understand if Disney wanted to make Tink a little less murderous for this version lol, but to completely take away her personality is ridiculous! No excuse for that. Jealousy, sass, and attitude are all normal emotions and characteristics in people and by showing that gives the character depth and dimension. Having a character with no range of emotion is boring and unrelateable for the audience.
Yes Tinkerbell in this version has ZERO in relation to the OG Tinkerbell... But you are forgetting a very crucial point: This Tinkerberl.... IS BLACK ! And according to Disney, that should be more then enough to be better then the og.
Wendy is gentle, nurturing, soft spoken and loving, she is one of the most feminine characters, she reminds the boys that they can't stay there forever and wakes them up from their trance like state without being harsh or mean. She embodies the mother and makes them miss home. All the kids see a mother in her. She's pure and kind. That's why I like her so much. Why is that apparently not good enough? That's divine feminine. Why are women only good enough when they act like men?
It's teaching kids to stop being kids, and to grow up and start taking on adult roles. Oh, I get the new version now. They are directing this at a generation that isn't growing up.
@@jessicamessica2271 who said women can't be who they want to be? What the hell were you reading? Cuz it surely wasn't my comment. This is about Wendy and why I appreciate her so much. I don't know why you made this about you being Tinkerbell. 💀
@Heinzelmädchen it's more like I've seen a lot of videos lately about "traditional femininity and housewives and homemakers.". If we hold up one image of woman as the Devine feminine, it kind of holds up one kind of woman as the Supreme of ideal woman. Which makes everybody else feel like there's some sort of standard of womanhood people aren't living up to by trying to have a good time in life
Actually the lost boys being all boys does matter because lore wise only boys were able to be “lost” because girls had more common sense and were smarter. This is why Wendy was so important, she represented maturity and a feminine loving perspective that the boys never had.
And these were messages that Walt Disney, a man, wanted to get across. The bright side of growing up and embracing manhood, the importance of a motherly figure and woman's touch, appreciation for well-meaning albeit humanly imperfect fatherly discipline, and love for the family and home. Walt knew better how to highlight values of femininity without shaming masculinity. If anything, his version embodied empathy, understanding and union between both.
The original Wendy was a girl boss. She created so much peace and love without raising a fist, a sword, or her voice. Want a hard job? Be patient and loving to a pack of wild children
@@liamphibia right I noticed that becuase the little mermaid had lots of views and likes on there but with this one the views were down and they were getting no likes
If I remember correctly, Lost Boys and Peter was immature and just doing whatever they want. Wendy was the voice of reason and trying to get the boys break away from those habits. Tinker Bell don't like strangers due to always wanting to be capture for her magic. Wendy eventually becomes homesick and Peter didn't want her to leave and become a Lost Boys and never get old or have worries. Wendy wanted to have a family and grow old with them which is why she left. That was the driving point of Wendy character. This is what made Wendy special to the plot and what she got the Lost Boys to understand that being young and playing forever isn't a fulfilling life.
The importance of mothers was a driving theme of the story, so of course, if they removed that theme to make it a "girl boss" movie that denigrates motherhood, it loses the plot.
@@sarahbrown2789 the whole Peter Pan story was about to explore and show the difference between immaturity (childhood) and maturity (adulthood) and to help us understand why we can't stay children forever.
They changed Wendy from being a literal mother figure as she is supposed to be, and as is the WHOLE POINT of the story! They fail because they made Wendy INTO Peter Pan. Peter Pan is the spirit of childhood freedom and adventure, the boy who never grows up, constantly being pursued by Captain Hook, the spirit of bitter adulthood, cruel responsibility, and the _Fear of Death_ *tick tick tick* awareness of one's mortality! Wendy is the only girl _chosen_ to come to Neverland BECAUSE of her mothering nature, because she knows stories to tell the lost boys, Lost Boys who desperately want a mother, and learns that she wants that life of her OWN not just playing pretend and that growing up and having the authentic experience of adulthood *_IS WORTH IT._* But instead this Wendy has to validate her insistence that the right path for her is to spend her days going on adventures, only to write about them and making no deeper connections as she is _happy_ to die completely alone. (projecting much, writers?) *JUST LIKE PETER PAN.* An admirable yet tragic figure as he can NEVER grow up and will NEVER understand to enjoy the real world on deeper levels like Wendy does, and like the FORMER Lost Boys do at the end, as they get a happy ending by finding their purpose and growing up to LIVE. When you're a child, you want to be Peter Pan. When you're growing up, you know you can't. When you're an _adult, you _*_know you shouldn't be._* _"To die would be an awfully big adventure."_ -Peter Pan *_"To LIVE would be an awfully big adventure."_* -J.M. Barrie (as The Narrator at the end of the Play.)
Haha my husband caught on to that. Normally he just gives me crap for bringing up the points in these comments but even her was like “so her whole life growing up is to die alone?” Also, why not make the fairy a different character instead of tinker bell who, btw, was much stronger than this version.
Adding that if they wanted a well written girlboss in Peter Pan they could've just make a Peter and Jane. Because I loooooooved Jane who was more of a tomboy, mature girl. I'm just so Nostalgic over the old Disney Movies. I can't find good ones anymore... Ones that made me cry my eyes out, since Coco. (Even Encanto was a bit disappointing in a way)
When I was a tween, I used to hate that Wendy didn’t want to stay in Neverland with Peter. But as I got older, I realized that at least in the 2001 remake, that growing up and letting go of love that isn’t right for you was important- and I’m glad to see that Wendy made wonderful realizations at that age.
What's funny is when I was a little kid I always got mad that Peter didn't go with Wendy. And then when they came out with Hook I was really upset because it was very clear he was still in love with Wendy and he married her granddaughter. That made me a bit queasy.
The majority of children sat in front of this film, aged 5 to 11 years old, will enjoy it. Children do not care about race. Only weirdo adults. Stay away from kids, dirty old men. Furthermore, J.M Barrie was a nonce. Who cares about his characters.
wendy was supposed to be a feminine girl and that’s what made her such an incredible character, it is so sad to see that today girls need to act like boys to be deemed as good characters
The 2003 live-action Peter Pan by Universal actually made Wendy more of a tomboy than other versions but she still had her essential feminine qualities and was a nice person. Shame the 2023 Disney live-action trainwreck made their Wendy a toxic person, no matter how "girlboss" she is.
It's ironic. In the original story, Wendy serves as a feminine counterbalance yet still upholds a sort of leadership role. This version basically dismisses any power that femininity holds and claims that girls/women can only be "super" if they behave exactly the way that boys do, rather than embracing their own innate capabilities.
These liberals are so confused by their own ideologies. So a woman can’t be empowered unless she acts like a traditional male figure, but there’s no gender roles..but if she acts feminine and lady like she’s weak, but there’s no gender roles. But there must be gender roles because they’re acting like stereotypical genders just switched..they’re not acting like animals. But there’s no gender roles. 🤦♀️
That’s what makes it so critical that the lost boys be in fact all boys. Wendy becomes the only woman in their lives other than the not overly reliable tiger Lilly
Their Wendy is self-centered. They also contradict themselves: "You're not all boys." "So?" "I guess it doesn't matter." "This magic belongs to no boy." But you said it doesn't matter...
She’s motherly, sure. But she was scared of growing up and becoming a mother herself. It’s not until she made the journey that she realized that it was something for her to look forward to instead of being scared of.
Peter Pan was a play originally and the only physical characteristics given were “a common fairy exquisitely dressed in costume period” the interpretation was to be left up to the director. Hence she is who ever the director s chooses.
I am more confused about the fact that they didnt use this film to introduce or at the very least mention the other fairies from the disney series. They have a literal series tied to this with a whole spectrum of different fairies.
I really loved that Wendy was a girl who lived happily in her femininity and nurturing nature originally. I was the opposite as a young girl, but even though I related more to Peter, seeing Wendy made me more comfortable in my girlhood and nurturing nature. It’s so important to see those qualities as a young girl. It also allowed you to see her true strength as a person through her firmness with Peter and her compassion. They ruined her.
And the thing is, yes - There were little girls that acted just like Wendy in this film. But the whole point of choosing Wendy in the story is _because_ she's much more motherly and nurturing than rowdy and adventurous like the little boys. The Wendy in this version wouldn't even have been picked since it bares no purpose, however Wendy in the story was chosen since she had enough patience and comfort she could give to those who never had those given to them. That's the point of her being motherly; it's to be the figure of maturity they never had.
And you didn't have to be a boy or identify as one in order to relate to Peter and Wendy at the same time. That's what good character development looks like.
Yeah exactly but it's not going well with Tinker bell towards Wendy Lol (*at the end of the og animated disney movie, Tinker bell have a character development and try to save Wendy, her brother and the lost boys which is cool)
True but in the book and the original, tinker bell wasn’t fond of wendy cause she’s jealous of her. Its a known fact that tinker bell held feeling for peter pan.
"But it just feels so forced." - I think this is the real problem. It's not your race or sexual identity; it's not a Black Tinkerbell. It's a movie that isn't intended to entertain us, but to lecture and virtue signal to us. I think TV commercials are doing it now, too. Remind me why I should pay to watch?
Its funny too, cause Wendy is the definition of a strong female character. She, in the original story, is older and wiser (still a teenager but ya) then the little boys (all male) and has to teach them (a girl knowing more then boys, gotta set them straight). All the BOYS realize the GIRL is right and learn to grow up. I have 0 idea why they had to change things, when it already suits the narrative they wanted. On top of that, nearly everyone already liked it, so.. NO CONTROVERSY!
Right?! This version actually sounds MUCH less feminist than the others! So sick of wokeness watering down these characters while calling them “strong.” The lack of complexity in female characters lately feels pretty demeaning to me as a woman. I am more than just “strong.” Not to mention, my strengths are unique to me as a woman- I do not need to be strong in a masculine way to be formidable.
The problem is Wendy being a traditional motherly figure couldn't be the reason the boys grow up..that reinforces the value of motherhood and femininity which the left despises.
Jane became a member of the group and she was a lot rougher on the edges. The only Pan films I like are the new animated ones which I had on video tapes as a child, the 2003 film and Hook. The rest have been made for little children. Mary Poppins Returns was also a bit bland instead of doing something good like expanding on Mary Poppins, who can go into magical paintings, different worlds and such. She is anything but bland.
Actually, OG Peter Pan was low-key racist to the Natives (what makes the red man red?) I didn't catch it as a child, but as an adult I recognized the problem. Not that you needed it for the story to hold together. But then when you remove that part, you get slammed for removing non-white characters from the story.
My kids were screaming at my sister to turn it off. It was a tortuous perversion of an amazing story. We just now watched 2003’s version and we’re so happy. Every detail was so well thought out. Each character is forever irreplaceable. So much emotion.
I pointed out a while ago that having other girls in never land defeats the big point to the story. And it underminds te role that wendy played. A boy who doesnt want to grow up so he runs away to a magical land with a fairy, where he doesnt have to. He gets lonely and doesnt know why so he thinks to himself ill get friends, so he gets the lost boys, all was good and all was well, nothing ever changed. They played, and lived forever, up untill wendy showed up, and she reminded them of that one thing that they all missed when they are playing house. Wendy was the mom, they realized they all missed their moms. Wendy reminded them of that by telling them stories. When wendy left, the lost boys didnt want to stay anymore. Leaving peter and tink alone in neverland to live forever. Under and behind the fantastical story that is peter pan, its just a story about the importance of parents, growing up and acceptance. Some can do it, and some cannot. Some can do it, and still they choose and will not. While some just cant, and yet still they try. edit: this was just my way of looking at the story. Its always been my favorite story, i was pter pan every year for holloween up untill i was like 11 and the it was a ninja. Needless to say, alas, i am not a big fan of these changes they have made. edit: not to mention it was wendy that inspired peter to finaly face hook instead of running from him. He and the lost boys even said that hook had previously put other lost boys that got capture to the gallows. Indicating or at least implying that peter couldnt or wouldnt save them. But for wendy that changed. And same goes for the indian's, they were at war with them untill wendy showed up, she helped make peace. The fact that she was a girl and one of the only girls aside from the girls OF never land, via indians, which are debating if they are even real, is a huge fact that fed the whole arc of the story.
I've always read the story similar. It's sort of like a commentary on how men need women to set expectations and inspire them to greater things. Edited to add: it's also seems to be about how men are more than boys and women are more than girls. Wendy had qualities about her that made her more than a child. That's what true maturity and taking on the mantle of civilization strives to achieve.
Yes!! This is like one of my favorite movie versions. It was SO well done; "Peter Pan" 2003. I feel like it embodies all of what you said. It's a sweet, endearing, and a bit cheesy, adaptation of the story.
What I love about the girlboss trope is that it's done so horribly. They'll try and gaslight you by saying "you just don't like seeing strong women" when in reality, they're just poorly done. I watch anime, there's tons of insanely strong, yet still feminine characters, who are often times stronger than the guys. Disney just writes male characters, takes away their family jewels, then calls them a "strong female lead".
I could be sitting here for an hour just naming all the badass women who have inspired me (a 35yo man) throughout the years across Western media alone and not run out of ideas (I actually started, but after 15 minutes this comment was already getting too bloated and I was nowhere near done). With anime added to the mix it would be closer to three hours. Modern versions? I feel they just skip the "girl" part of the "girlboss" and call it a day.
You know what? Do it. I'll start with my three: Red Sonja, Ellen Ripley, Princess Leia and a bonus of Sorsha from the original Willow. She wasn't quite a lead but close enough and Badass.
@@rickee2652 You're on! Capt. Janeway, and while none of the rest are leads, they're all _very_ strong characters: Valeria from Conan the Barbarian, Capt. Amelia in Treasure Planet, Violet Beaudelaire in Lemony Snicketts
Katara from Avatar the last airbender was also a strong female character done right. She's motherly, kind, sympathetic, has fears and weaknesses, and she doesn't need to bully men all the time just to prove how strong she is
@@Mordring I'm a fan of old movies, so my favorite is Maid Marian from The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938). Marian wasn't a sword-slinger or archer in that one, but she had strong Christian principles, and the almighty spine to back them up. She became a spy in John's household, and even planned and arranged Robin's rescue from execution. And when she was finally caught and brought before a tribunal, she demanded her rights under law. But not for one damn second did she stop being a lady, nor was she implied to be weak just because she didn't brawl with the boys. Olivia de Havilland, the actress, was a very strong woman in her own right, and every inch a feminine lady.
I think it's sad that being gentle and loving and kind are now seen as weaknesses. Why can't Wendy retain these qualities and still be depicted as courageous when she needs to be?
I watched the cartoon and the Robin Williams films when I was a child, and I enjoyed them. In the last month I read, one chapter a night for some days, the original novel to my son. It was a whole lot darker than I anticipated. Wendy being a mother was basically the most important aspect of the story. The boys wanted a mother, Peter wanted a mother, the pirates even offered to not kill Wendy if she would agree to be their mother! Theoretical adult male pirates were still clearly boys at heart. Wendy after returning home went for a short period each year, if Peter remembered, to do spring cleaning for him and as she got older her daughter and then her daughter's daughter did the same for Peter. The idea of what Disney turned that story into... my husband called it stupid, I said it was far, far too awful to be summarized by just calling it stupid. Normally I just ignore Disney, but having the original so fresh in my mind, its genuinely way worse than stupid. They actively take material and try to use it to demonize the source material. They can't just dislike the past, they try to use that history to actively attack what it was. Edit: Additionally, Wendy brings the lost boys back home and her parents adopt them all so they can grow into adulthood. Except for Peter, because he refuses to grow up. Its... taking away the idea that she'd want to be a mother... feminism really, really hates femininity.
There's nothing wrong with women being kind, soft spoken and motherly. Wendy is strong in her own way, which is that she's kind and loving to her brothers and the Lost Boys no matter how rowdy they are. I loved how she never yells or loses her temper (except for that mermaid scene, but to be fair they were literally trying to drown her) but still stands her ground when the boys don't listen. She also doesn't retaliate against Tinkerbell's insults, and rather still treats the fairy with kindness, which I think is a good example for girls. I don't understand how that isn't considered strong anymore.
And she stood up for her female rights during the Indian camp scene. Now that scene was problematic and I get why they took that stuff out, but clearly she wasn't just a doormat.
@@mallorycarpinski1160I am a Native American descendent and have always loved the scene. It took a playful spin on how Indians do some strange things like smoking giant tubes etc. I always laughed, I never thought it was racist, hateful, or unjust.
@@Creekersqueaker People who say it's "problematic" don't really understand the film. EVERY character in Neverland is represented from the perspective of children's fantasies and child's play. Pirates are real, but the Neverland pirates are not like real pirates. The same is true for the Indians. They literally play hunting games with the Lost Boys where they let each other go. The Indians are depicted how a child (British children who have never met real Native Americans) would depict them in their play. People separate the Indians from the pirates, mermaids,and fairies when they shouldn't. Neverland is NOT our world for a reason. Making the Indians historically accurate is antithetical to what Neverland is. They NEED to be simple caricatures like everything else. That's Neverland.
She hit the nail right on the head! My husband and I were so disappointed. But not surprised. Even my 13 year old girl could see through the bullsh!t. She even got inspired to write her own "alternate scenes" where she took some of the most disappointing parts and rewrote them to be more dynamic and be more in line with the original. 😂
Maybe this 13 year old should make a video about it so we can find out why she was disappointed. Did she know you didn't like the movie? Did you tell her beforehand, or was it a "let's wait and see what she thinks?"
@@starlovelndh Methinks it's an upside down world where the adults are dumb and the kids are the smart ones. There's even TV shows entitled "Are you smarter than a 6th grader" . . . something like that.
The scripts are not only bad. They're so bad that they break the ultimate rule of writing by telling and not showing. Plugging in lines like "I thought you were boys. I guess it doesn't matter." Is a line that not only doesn't matter to the plot, they're going out of their way to tell you what their agenda is.
Also the director defending that he put Girls in the lost boy saying: "it's a movie made for everyone. If you want there's still the other movies. This movie is to introduce the New generation to the story". Its like he's saying that there is an agenda and he doesnt care about the lore of the story. Simply he wanted to put girls there for the sake of inclusion.
I don’t get it, because there’s literally already girl characters? Why can’t the lost boys just be boys? It certainly never bothered me as a child. I wanted to be Tinker Bell or a mermaid lol
In the original, it was the same voice who did Captain Hook as well as Wendy’s father’s voice. It was kind of a wink and nod that in her fantasy the bad guy was her father 🧐😂
It was actually a representation of her fear of ‘growing up.’ Her father wanted her to grow up, and Captain Hook represented growing up, that’s why she feared him. And that’s why they always had him played by the same guy as the dad.
😩😩😩😩😩😩 this was a story about boyhood. Growing up (or rejecting the obligation to grow up) as a boy/man. It's about being a lost boy, not seeing the way to adulthood clearly and instead finding your leader in a Figure who completely shed his responsibility of becoming an adult and does whatever he wants to. It's having so little to do with women/girls (because you are too childish and undesirable to them) that you don't even really know what a girl is. It's a Story of a "i want to do everything i want to do with my imaginary Fairy-girlfriend"-boy coming in contact with a normal earthly real girl, who does ultimately NOT want to be a part of this lets just do what ever we want world. Who ultimately understands her earthly life and the real adult like pathway through it. It shows the tragedy of a man who refuses to grow up while not denying but showing the benefits of this being a child for ever, but the biggest flaw of this pathway: That it's not real. BUT HEY F*** this story about boyhood. It's girlboss time yet again, slap the sh*t out of that peter f**boy Cause overpowered fierce bossbabe in training is here!
I love that they got rid of Wendy's gentle, nurturing personality that taught the lost boys about how important and natural it was to grow up. Which led the change in them. I adore how they got rid of the fact that the reason there were no girls who were lost was because girls were too smart to get lost. I love that they made everyone much less likable versions of themselves, even when they try to make Hook a more tragic character, all they manage to do is destroy Peter's character without improving Hook at all. Why does Disney think "modern audiences" want terribly written stories with forced diversity and bad messages that don't really stand the test of time like the original ones did? I’m sorry, but nothing in this movie was inspired. I was bored throughout the entire thing. Law's performance was great, but it's not enough to save this movie. Tinkerbell had no real personality-even Peter apparently can't understand her anymore despite them having been friends for many, many years. Wendy, of course, can take on full grown men in actual sword fights because she pretend dueled with her little brothers with wooden swords. Tiger Lily insists on speaking her native language, even to people who don't understand it-when she knows English and knows that they can't speak her language. This movie is very bland. Neverland is missing pretty much all of its charm, and there's very little color in this movie. Also, I wasn't convinced Tinkerbell actually cared about anything happening, even in scenes where it's assumed she'd be upset. They made Peter much less charming, not only due to the acting, but just the actions and dialogue given to the character. Wendy had no real reason to slap him like that, but it's framed like she's in the right because, I don't know, go, girlboss Wendy, with her happy thoughts of growing old and dying alone.
One of the worst things about these “remakes” is that they all try to justify the villains’ behavior because they had a hard life. While the truth is some people are bad just to be bad
True. So many murderers said they kill because they can. Yet disney pushes that we we should give sociopaths and narcissists 50 chances to prove that deep, deep, deep down they really have a heart of gold. No, hell, no. So done with their lies and manipulation
Even worse: One key difference between villains and heroes always was that bad things happened to heroes and they decided that they don't want anyone else to go through this while villains wanted everyone else to feel as miserable as them. But now we should feel bad for villains because they were sad ones and they tell us that the villains have a right to be jerks? And heroes are just some privileged lucky bastards, that just haven't had it bad enough yet?
its their politics - they make excuses for criminals in real life.. which is why they vote for DAs who wont prosecute criminals and let thugs and thieves go free. the writers for disney insert their own domestic politics into everything now.
As bizarre as it sounds, the original cartoon pays homage to pedophilia of young boys as animators sneaked or slipped in a coded symbolism for it in the animated version. I don't want to spend money to look to see if they included it in this new version. Knowledge of the elite's hidden-in-plain-sight secret symbolism for male pedophilia is a triangle within a triangle while that for underage girls is a heart within a heart. For most people attracted to the story of Peter Pan it is the whimsical and fun, being able to fly and visit adventurous lands that appeals to them but the core hidden concepts in the story are more suited for NAMBLA or the likes. For instance captain hook was a lost boy but now is old and getting older with time/tic tok the alligator always waiting to consume him. And just the concept of lost young boys on an island bring to mind Epstein island, for instance.
I am a black 18-year-old girl and I’m so mad what they did. There’s nothing wrong with having a diverse cast what they could’ve done was of course keep the lost boys or boys but then just have boys of different ethnicities and races Keith Peter Pan how he did in the original, and as much as I love your history, she is such a beautiful, talented actress. It’s sad that they did her so dirty in this movie.. especially keeping her dull, and just turning her into a another silly agenda to push through her, like the whole, hearing my voice thing. It was so corny the whole time I was bored I had to skip throughout the whole movie. I also think there’s nothing wrong about trying to fix their mistakes with the Native Americans but tiger lilies. Character was completely useless in this movie. She was just there standing giving expiration quotes There’s nothing wrong with her being saved and they completely missed an opportunity of showing the tribe. When do you herself she was just mad the whole time. They pretty much ruined every character.
Thank you Amala for your sacrifice of watching this train wreck on behalf of all of us! Disney has been trash for a long time. Disney shareholders are the biggest victims.
Amala, thank you for suffering through this piece of nonsense! I would say something else this movie is, but it is not proper on the web. But it is so sad to see such a classic story/ movie ruined by the woke agenda.
Thank you for your sacrifice. Truly. All Disney movies get an automatic "no" for me unless there's sufficient proof that it isn't woke. Haven't seen any lately...
People assumed Princess Peach in the Mario Movie would be a "girlboss" but it turns out that wasn't entirely the case. They just based her off the cartoons and comics. What they did with Wendy is just alarming.
@@Crackpot_Astronaut Yeah but everything she did, she already did in the games. The only problem with her is that they portrayed her as sassy and a catty when that's more akin to Princess Daisy.
I love rotten tomatoes scores. Terrible movies get good scores, but the audience score is always more accurate. You can buy a score but you can't buy an audience
Wendy able to defeat grown man with sword fight is ridiculous. Especially, when her only experience with sword fight was when she played with her brothers. I guess Grown Man = Boy. Plus, its kinda funny her "Happy Memories" is her being alone till she old. Maybe, Disney want to tell girls, "Being Independence is being alone. Being Alone = Happy"
Girl being able to defeat grown man is more ridiculous than boys flying, miniature fairies and humans never getting old? Neverland is ruled by imagination, faith, self-confidence and all that crap. In this story, anyone could defeat anyone if they just believed in themselves enough
It just doesn't make any sense does it? Men can be women but women can't be women unless they act like men?! Yet a strong, independent woman is ridiculed & harassed for sticking up for herself. It makes my head spin.
In the original book, Tinker Bell drunk the poison intended for Peter Pan saving his life & saved Tink by believing in her & asked the readers to join in. In the 1953 animated film, Tink pushed a bomb in a present box. That was her redemption ark. Wendy was a damsel in distress & a charismatic mother-figure & Tiger Lily didn't have much of a role at all & both of them were not tomboys. Not to mention the book had dark elements like Peter being sociopathic.
They had to take it down. Just like they have to take everything down. Disney has too much influence on the culture and on the shaping of children's mindsets. It is now like the proverbial poison apple.
@@joshuataylor3550, you are one of the lambs who will be slaughtered in the War and no matter what you will do you will lose. No one is on your side because your side is madness and it is massacring your mind to know it... Deep down yourself, look inside your Evil Darkness: Ask The Gods.
Just for fun, I re-watched the original Peter Pan last week. If you just stand back and look at it, it's really the story of Wendy. It begins with her and ends with her. The whole tale is very much seen through her eyes.
What they did with Wendy was severely disappointing. My younger sister (who forced me to watch the movie cause she was curious), and I both agreed that Wendy's mother was more "Wendy" than Wendy was.
One of the biggest takes also is that there’s a reason why it was lost boys. As in Victorian times boys would tend to end up not picked in orphanages, or would have to work in factories or mines more often than orphaned girls. I think “Hook” did a way better job of depicting the lost boys.
I remember seeing the trailer and just thinking about how GRAY it is. It seems like they just took the saturation to the lowest level on the scale as an effort to make it modern or adultish or something. One of the biggest things that is lacking in modern entertainment is MAGIC. The story of Peter Pan is magical and colorful! The best example of an adaption/sequel being done well is Robin Williams’ Hook. That movie was MAGICAL. The sets were incredible, the effects were slightly dated but exciting, and the whole movie made you want to jump into the story with the characters! Peter Pan and Wendy looks so drab and depressing, no adult would want to watch it, let alone a kid.
all the other peter pan movies (including the animated classic) had vibrant colour/atmosphere but based on the few clips i seen, it look so bland..... was not NEVERLAND the land of magical where boys does not want to leave or age up?? if its so bland...why peter pan bother stay there ??
Looky looky, someone else remembered Hooky... omg... I'd rather my daughter watch Hook 1,000 times instead of this horror fest. They lost the magic and went for radical anti-feminine femme
Both of my daughters watched the trailer and refused to even try to watch it. They mentioned the girls in the lost boys and said they hate reboots eventhough they’ve watched every rendition of Peter Pan and love them. This was an innate reaction by them and at first I wasn’t sure why but now thanks to this video I can see why.
In the play, which is the original source material for Peter Pan, the part of Hook is always played by the same actor that plays Wendy's father, so it is really a coming of age story for Wendy. He is distant and a stern disciplinarian - common in England in this period, and what is apparent is that Wendy yearns for a world where parental discipline is non-existent - she sees it as an evil and in her imagination only an evil pirate would use such tactics. In the play Wendy becomes a mother to the lost boys and her love and attention transforms them, giving them license to grow up. Girls are "too clever" to fall out of their prams and so, never end up in Neverland. What's interesting is that while Wendy is a central character of the play, her chief characteristic and strength, that of maternal instinct, holds no value for today's feminists and so we must transfer all of the typically male characteristics to the female lead while neutering the male characters. Although I have no plans to see the movie, or really any of Disney's current fare, I suspect that Wendy's maternal nature is, if not entirely missing, at least downplayed in favor of a modern woman who can "have it all" without the slightest need of a man in her life. Peter Pan, on the other hand has been castrated. No spirit of adventure, no bravery, only a weak, pre-adolescent without redeeming feature who must be rescued from every perilous situation by the all-wise, all-knowing Wendy. We must make him the anti-hero to put him in his place because from the modern feminist perspective he is all toxic masculinity. Fortunately, if we can just allow a strong woman to take over, all will be well! It is this upending of all of the truthful aspects of the original story that leaves the audience certain that this film is dishonest. Only feminist hacks seem to identify with it and they award it the 15 point Rotten Tomatoes score, while the blind-guides who make up the professional critics gave it a much higher score in line with their liberal/woke sensibilities.
"Wendy yearns for a world where parental discipline is non-existent - she sees it as an evil and in her imagination only an evil pirate would use such tactics. In the play Wendy becomes a mother to the lost boys and her love and attention transforms them, giving them license to grow up. " and that is the problem with most of these "updates"; they don"t understand the central ideas behind the stories they massacre.
Wendy is canonically a mom by the end of the original book and play. And was always meant to be from the story's beginning. I'd go as far as to say that one theme going on in it is that being a mom is a higher calling than swashbuckling adventures where boys play with swords.
Hi Amala! I don't think I'll watch this new version of Peter pan, but that "ThIs MaGiC bElOnGs To No BoY" sounds so pathetic compared to the previous version of 2003 where Wendy asks Peter why there aren't any girls in neverland and Peter says something like "girls are too smart to fall from their beds" (can't remember the exact quote). I found that short phrase from Peter so #girlboss when I was a little girl 😂
"girls are too smart to fall from their beds" -- did he really say that? As for no girls in Neverland, well, there was one girl . . . her name was Wendy.
It's not worth the watch. Peter Pan is one of my favorite stories of all time. I didn't laugh once, smile once, get sad at all, get mad.. I literally had a straight face the whole time. Which I'm a very sensitive person, who will cry over tiny things. Nothing. Watch at your own risk to get your own opinion. But I'm letting you know now, if you love Peter Pan you will most likely hate this movie
@@tomsmith6513in the 2003 movie and the book Wendy asks why there are no girls and Peter gives her a look of adoration and replies with "girls are much too smart to fall out of their prams"
Wendy went from a motherly figure to a nihilistic loner. Dy¡ng alone, not even with a cat, or a lesbian lover. Nothing.... Alone. That's terrifying. Edit: I'm talking about Wendy, not about you. Yes, you that want everybody to know that "i'm different" 🙄🙄
Yep, feminism always highlights how "slay" and "pleasurable" your life can be, but you'll be perpetually depressed and coping, and trying to pretend you're not
Dogs are better than humans and can’t change my mind. Also when you have good friends, a lot of dogs and a really good family as well as a good job. You don’t need a significant other
The casual violence of girls hitting boys demonstrates exactly how the writers/directors/producers/Disney feel about boys as a whole. Disney has jumped the shark and into the waiting arms of violent sexism. Way to go you putzes!
the writers insert themselves in everything - so ofc they slap small boys to show their strength. Peter in this movie is a short little boy played by wooden actor who can't speak properly.. Wendy towers over him .. this is another She-Hulk production
I adored the original Wendy, she was adventurous and creative, and sure she liked boyish things like sword fights but that didnt take away from her pure and nurturing persona that attracted Peter and the rest of the lost boys to her. The story was about her finding value in who she is, not becoming another (better!) boy. If you want a great Peter Pan movie watch the 2003 version or Finding Neverland which is the story of how it came to be. Thats what the story is meant to be.
I dont mind the idea of Tiger Lily rescuing people and being kind of cheeky by speaking a language the others won't understand. She always felt like a crafty, talented character to me. Done correctly, it would fit her character and personality just fine. I'm pretty sure it wasn't done correctly, though.
In the original film, she didnt speak English at all, and only spoke her native tongue; she relied on mannerisms to communicate. I think changing that one particular thing actually destroyed the integrity of her character.
The majority of children sat in front of this film, aged 5 to 11 years old, will enjoy it. Children do not care about race. Only weirdo adults. Stay away from kids, dirty old men. Furthermore, J.M Barrie was a nonce. Who cares about his characters.
Agreed. As I recall, in the original book the reason she'd been captured by the pirates was because they caught her sneaking alone onto their ship to assassinate Captain Hook. In a tragic twist her characterization was done dirty by Disney long before this monstrosity ever came along.
The minute I saw the Black Tinkerbell I knew it would be a travesty. I highly recommend the 2003 Peter Pan with Jeremy Sumpter as Peter Pan and Rachel Hurd-Wood as Wendy Darling. Also Captain Hook should always be a villian not a neutral character I'm so sick of the neutral villains in disney movies now. But Jason Isaac is wonderful in the 2003 Peter Pan he is conniving, he lies, and is a true Coddfish.
I honestly found this hilarious. Because I remember when everyone was saying this peter pan was really bad .2003 version Now the remake making people appreciate the 2003 version
Why? There are many, many adaptations of Peter Pan where just about every character was changed in some manner. You people act as if Disney was the only one that has adapted a public domain story.
@@gloriathomas3245There's a big difference between a good faith adaptation and what Disney has done here, and you know it. If this were a one-off thing, I could give Disney the benefit of the doubt. But their track record is clear.
(Spoiler alert!) My biggest beef with this film was the point at which Peter lost his powers, and suddenly Wendy was wielding them. Peter Pan, in every other iteration of the tale, is the heart of Neverland's magic. It was reaching a point where i was anticipating a sequel to the film, wherein Wendy controlled Neverland. There was so much wrong with this film, and I'm glad to hear that it's been given such a reasonable audience score on RT.
Amala I seem to send you a lot of comments these days. I must say I'm getting on a bit and it is so refreshing to hear a highly intelligent, articulate young woman with the courage to stand up against the BS and speak commonsense and facts out loud. It takes real guts in this day and age May I compliment you on your excellent, well thought out podcasts. You go!!!😊😄
Wendy was a mother figure to the lost boys in the book 📖 and also in the original Disney movie. VERY feminine, and embodied traditional womanly characteristics!
2003 version is by far the best live action adaption ever. Surprisingly, before this movie ,; Peter Pan and Wendy, the worst version was that train wreck Pan.
Wendy: a Mother to lost boys, who is strong nurturing and guides Peterpan and lost boys back toward life and growing up. Wendy now: don't want ti be Mother. (Being a Mother is lowly? Demeaning? OR too hard for u. Too sacrificing?)
I had quite a time convincing my rainbow loving preschool aged daughter that mixing all the colors together doesn't result in a rainbow but muddy brown. I feel like in all this effort to diversify we are actually losing the beautiful diversity of humanity. Differences and uniqueness are getting lost and muddled together. Instead of male and female and an array of races we are quickly moving toward a genderless, raceless society where everyone is basically the same.
In the book it is true that Peter is painted as an antagonistic figure because he’s SO immature that he often neglects the Lost Boys and Tink, leaving them to wonder if he’s died somewhere. He’s completely self absorbed and self aggrandizing, but it plays into the theme of growing up and serves a purpose. Also he did feed Hook’s hand to the tic tok croc in the book and he tells it as a grand exploit. But again, these things tied into a theme in the book. This retelling makes everything meaningless.
Peter Pan represented the worst of being a child. Children can be incredibly heartless and that’s why he was the way he was, because he was a child who never grew up and never wanted to, and that showed the dangers of that desire. But he wasn’t utterly evil. Why did this movie make it about a battle between male and female? Why did Wendy have to take his powers?
Thanks for watching it Amala, so we didn't "have to". I haven't. I won't. And for that matter, I won't watch anything from Disney period, "woke" or otherwise. Their shenanigans have managed to turn some of us off permanently.
There's no reason to watch Disney anymore. They have ruined children's movies and ruined Star Wars. I don't know what else they can ruin, but I'm sure they'll find a way.
Captain Hook was only the villain because he was an adult. Adults are the 'enemy' in Neverland because they represent oppression, control, and above all, loss of innocence. And growing up, which Peter VEHEMENTLY swears never to do. But he does return the lost boys to their families at the end when they want to go home. He won't force others to remain young forever.
Okay, Peter Pan (the original novel adaptation of the play), is one of my favorites so it annoys me when the movies get it SO wrong. The closest is the 2003 live action. 1. “Peter Pan and Wendy” got one thing a little right- Peter is a bit of a villain. But not because he’s evil. Hook explains at one point (not in THIS version) that Peter is stuck as a boy and therefor cannot grow/mature or love like Wendy can. This means, he does things that not only put people in danger but he also hurts people unnecessarily simply for “adventure/fun” because he doesn’t have enough sense of empathy. 2. Wendy should have a little crush on Hook. He represents SOME of the good things about growing up like how you can have meaningful relationships with others capable of them. Because adults CAN feel deep romantic love as Wendy wants for herself. So adulthood isn’t as terrible as she thought. In this way, Hook encourages her to keep maturing. 3. I don’t care about race swapping much but yes, the Lost Boys should in fact be BOYS. There is a massive difference in how the genders mature, what we want and when. 4. Wendy is an outside thinker but she does want children and a husband one day. You can be creative and intelligent and still want traditional things. Sorry, I know this has been a rant. Just that J.M. Barrie wrote a story that has different levels. You get something different out of it depending on how old you are when you read the book/ watch the play. Kids get a story about a boy who loves adventure. Grown ups get a story about a girl learning about the importance of growing up yet keeping your adolescent spirit.
The 2003 live action was pretty good---if my foggy memory was correct---and it's just been forgotten. "the Lost Boys should in fact be BOYS. There is a massive difference in how the genders mature, what we want and when." Good point. Changing that does away with the point of Wendy, kind of the whole point of her character was that, while still a child and having fun, due to being a girl she'd matured at an age when they hadn't. "Wendy is an outside thinker but she does want children and a husband one day. You can be creative and intelligent and still want traditional things. " Yeah, and the thing is that in the story of Peter Pan, wanting a family IS being an outside thinker. If Wendy doesn't want one, she's no different than all the Lost Boys.
i'd have to disagree. you see "hook" was a very different story than OG peterpan. peterpan was a bout boy hood growing into adult hood and taking responsibility. while "Hook" was about older men reconnecting with their childhood. Hook is a great movie, amazing even, timeless for sure, and does what it does better than most other movies that do that same thing. but it's NOT a great peterpan movie because it does not do what the story of peterpan did literarily. It's actually doing the opposite of what the peterpan story was about.
If I ever wrote a fairytale (or a novel, comic, anything) and someone decided to trash it this way has been I would be so angry or turning over in my grave!! So disgusted with the lack of creativity of any of the present generations!!!
My oldest child's favorite Disney film was Peter Pan. Strangely he personified the character ( a love for adventure and child like fearlessness, yet needed his mother). My favorite Peter Pan story arch was on the show Once Upon A Time. It was dark and Peter was a grown man who longed for the carefree life of being a boy. He chose this over taking on the responsibility of caring for his young son. Even Tinkerbell was a fairy who had been banished to Neverland for breaking protocol. It was dark, sinister and such an entertaining take on the classic story. Both the original and the OUAT version are wonderful studies in psychology and the acceptance of adulthood.
Wendy was supposed to be the story teller and mom figure to the lost boys. That's why she decided to grow up.. That's the whole point.. Captain hook can't be one of the lost boys... He's a GROWN MAN! In neverland, kids DONT grow up... That's the whole point.. I love Peter Pan too much to watch this movie.
Actually, in the original book everyone else does grow up except for Peter. It is heavily implied that he kills them when they do and so the lost boys keep changing and the old ones "get taken somewhere by Peter and are never seen again" and new ones showing up.
@@LyraValley The original book also says that "girls were too clever to fall out of their carriages" (i.e. strollers), so having girls in the Lost Boys dumbs down girls altogether.
The hook/lost boy story was done by Christina Henry in the book Lost Boy and it was done MUCH better. Also we already had a perfect live action peter pan film in 2003 👌 I highly recommend watching it. Great video Amala!
They took out all the heart and soul with no cleaver writing Wendy meeting the lost boys not only showed her how to have patience and understanding for the kids she one day wanted in a family of her own. But she was able to confirm she didn't want to conform to Peters ideals of being a child forever. The lost boys also learned so much from Wendy. They also realized what they lost by leaving their mothers/ parents before they were mature enough to truly be on their own. This modern Wendy might have saved the boys for a minute in a stupid sword fight But 1953 wendy gave the boys skills to save & think for themselves with her wit for a lifetime.
Tiger Lily did save Peter Pan in the stage version and he also saved her life which led to the Ugh-a-wug song which has since been banned. How sad that Wendy didn’t pass the torch on to her daughter Jane. With the hint in the animated version that her dad might have once gone there, I always loved how the magic of Neverland was passed to the next generation.
Thanks for watching it so I don't have to! I must say, it is actually _fitting_ to have diverse pirates, as they could have picked up sailors from all over the world. Come to think of it, they should have included female pirates, fierce and full of missing teeth and scars.
For this movie it would've been in theme since peter pan actually kidnapped those now-pirates when they were kids. Guess Disney didn't get a lot of memos on Peter Pan
History records only two female pirates of reputation. In the Caribbean Sea during the Golden Age of Piracy, Anne Bonney and Mary Read were the only two that I know of. There were others around the world but female pirates have never been anything but a rarity.
Cheng I Sao was a Chinese pirate who started in a brothel and retired when British and Portuuese Navy was recruited to go after her. She stepped down and bargained to keep her riches and became a casino owner and died at 69. I had a pirate book but she never appeared in it for some reason. She apparently had rapists beheaded. A lot of them dressed as men so there might never be a true number of female pirates.
The core idea is to praise everything but males (especially white males), and castigates them. So, I don't think it's surprising that not to see any female pirates. By the way, even the _"full of missing teeth and scars"_ can't change a woman's beauty as all are 10/10. So, no :D
Your mention of Captain Hook is more aligned with the original story, but Hook left Neverland thereby escaping death as he aged past 'boyhood'. Upon somehow returning to Neverland he hunted down Peter to save the lost boys that he continuously collected and then would kill when ageing past the boyhood above age. In particular adaptations of the tale, the crew that Hook has is made up of the rescued lost boys he managed to rescue before Peter ended them. Also, if I recall bringing Wendy to Neverland was an accident and Tink wanted to kill her because she was never meant to be there, the same reason why the mermaids wanted to drown her. Overall the original tale of Peter Pan was actually a fairytale meant to warn young boys away from the prospect of never growing up, same with young girls wanting to be more like young boys or never growing up either. Like all fairytales of their time, they were dark and very gruesome, not what Disney has painted any of them to be since the inception of their animated retellings. Even though I enjoy the Disney adaptations of these fairytales, I know that they were cautionary tales to the original audience meant to their audiences into changing their behaviour for the better. Some of the Grimm Fairytales that I have so far read are like this, with others encouraging looking for answers to prevent gruesome ends from happening. I would suggest Amala, perhaps look into the originals that Disney has modernized for today's audience. Although I do agree that Tink was never meant to be the "get out of jail free card", she was a dark fairy, as were all fairies in Neverland and in all fairytales if you go back to their original source material. Sorry about the long comment, but I thought it was necessary to shed some light on the original that I actually enjoy.
In my understanding, there were two types of fairies or faeries as fairies are actually more akin to nymphs, elements of nature. Faeries however are different. Faeries had two kinds, the Selee and unselee. The unselee couldn't reproduce unlike the Selee, so to increase their numbers, they would kidnap children, though the Selee were also dangerous and would kidnap too. It's completely possible that Peter was also kidnapped by following Tinkerbell as wisps and banshees would lead lost traveler in the woods astray. But that my take. I think after some time, the kids actually became faeries as well and Peter is the only one we see.
I agree.. if you go back to the original BOOK, before Disney got it's grubby hands on it, the difference between the book and this movie is even more stark. Disney has become the teens' fan-fiction actualizer of all the stories they touch. Have they no originality? Is there nothing among the 21st century storytelling, that they have to go back to the first decade (1902~1911) of the previous century for 'new' material?? The LEAST they could do would be to look at the Newbery Medal books - "The Giver" (1993) is now a 4-volume series and features not only a utopia gone dystopian but also a female protagonist who reaches the resolution in the later volumes; "The Graveyard Book" (2008) even has a graphic version to help the producers envision a production, and a clever writer who could help with lively dialog. This "Peter Pan & Wendy" production makes Amazon's fan-fiction "Rings of Power" look 'mediocre', instead of the earlier rating of 'travesty' against the original books.
I have seen the play and read the book (they’re great) and Captain Hook isn’t a former Lost Boy he was Blackbeard’s boatswain and the only one that Barbecue ever feared and is obsessed with good form (and vengeance against Pan), Peter Pan brings Wendy and her brothers to Neverland deliberately while Tinker Bell is incapable of feeling more than one emotion at the same time and as such when she’s good she’s all-good and when she’s bad she’s all-bad hence her antagonism towards Wendy. And it definitely is a cautionary tale against not growing up as Peter completely forgets about Captain Hook after killing him and he loses Wendy due to not being emotionally mature enough to be willing to be something to a woman that isn’t a son and all the Lost Boys leave him to grow up and are adopted by the Darlings.
I read that too! But isn't this the Disney live-action remake? Meaning they are going off the cartoon not the original dark version of the story. I feel like they wanted to add Hook's backstory which is fine. And Peter Pan apologizing is sweet. I do agree with Amala in everything else though. Lost boys should be lost BOYS. Tinker Bell was a flat character. Wendy's character was dumb too. Too much feminism and they downgraded Peter Pan. Oh, and race-swapping Tinker Bell was dumb too.
I highly recommend 2003 Peter Pan for everyone who felt like this movie was such a massive hit and miss. It has every ounce of vibrancy, magic, Victorian accuracy, and love put into it that this version is lacking.
Hook was released to home video when my older son was 4 and I was nearing the birth of his brother. My mother stayed with our older son while I was at the hospital, and he requested a nonstop binge of Hook. Now he’s a dad who will introduce his little one to that movie…not this one.
Saw another reviewer say something I completely agree with. This new Wendy is supposed to be stronger...but in fact they made her so much more weaker...
I just came to the sudden realisation that 2023s peter pan and wendy and the little mermaid are basically the same film; The lead female character follows a boy to his world, despite having almost zero romantic interest in him and ends up saving the day from the films villan despite said boy probably having way more experience in that world.
Great point on Wendy being changed from a motherly guide for the Lost Boys to what she is in the film. This is the result of denying that female role of fostering children is a female role. And also partly due to imposing the postmodern self-oriented self-actualization obsession of today’s kids onto her. This has the tragic effect of taking her most remarkable trait as a character and turning her into yet another “independent woman who defies social expectations” female character.
Exactly. Wendy is the feminine little mother. In the book this is even more of an emphasis. Peter Pan should grow up into a husband and father role to partner her wife and mother role, but he chooses Tinker Bell and perpetual adolescence instead. Looks like they made the whole thing meaningless because they robbed Wendy of her femininity.
I was so excited to watch this movie. Now I won't waste my time, thank you. Peter Pan 2003 will always be top tier. I love your videos, you seem like the type of person where even just grabbing a coffee together will never be boring and you have so much to share/teach others. Appreciate you
Give it a chance, it's not as terrible as everyone is making it out to be. Peter pan and Wendy is not Peter Pan 2003 or others adaptations for that matter so watch it with an open mind.
Peter Pan 2003 is the best live action version to me ❤ maybe because I was young when I saw it but it will always be perfect in my eyes. Jeremy Sumpter is still Peter Pan to me 😅😅🥰
who TF is geniunely excited for a DISNEY film nowadays? like, FOR REAL. EVerything they do is a woke regurgitation like they are trying to erase their own history... if you really thought this was going to be good, jokes on you because you just fell from planet earth without knowing how garbage Disney is now
I’m so impressed with your dissection on this film. I’m new to your channel, clearly you understand woke culture perfectly. I really agree with how you said it at the end. When diversity is forced, it’s so obvious and not earned. You can make diverse films without ham fisting diversity in.
The 2003 live action movie was the most faithful to the spirit of the source material, the most visually gorgeous, and very well acted. Particularly by Jason Isaacs, who was the definitive Captain Hook. It's sad that this movie, due to poor marketing, was a box-office failure.
Absolutely. If only - and that is what irks me about this film - the boy who played Peter did actually speak with an English accent, which he didn't. I've seen this film several times and it annoys me every time! Also Wendy was very well cast and the music was great. The 6.8 rating on IMDB is well deserved.
Thank you for your sacrifice. I honestly am done with Disney+ for what they're trying to do. Disney: Remakes everywhere people it'll totally not backfire at all and we'll be swimming in cash!
Peter Pan was my favorite movie as a little girl. I saw myself in Wendy and crushed on Peter. I'd watch it on repeat so much my parents had to force me to watch something else. The original is just very nostalgic for me and holds a special place in my heart. Seeing it redone didn't bother me, but the way they try to recreate these stories through a certain lens just ruins any sort of Disney 'magic'. We keep getting remakes and live actions of movies that are tried and true. I think we can acknowledge the steretypes in older movies without demonizing every aspect of the source material. I tried watching this with my 9 year old brother and he kept asking why everything felt so different than what he remembers. If you want a live action version that feels genuine and captures the feeling of the original, just watch PJ Hogan's version.
Every boss I've ever had was a woman. And it was the same dynamic... They would be nice to the male employees but HORRIBLE to their female employees. Why is this? Yeah, women are marginalized and discriminated against... but it's mostly by other women, as far as I can tell. I was not aware men were in power. I must have missed this.
I watched it with my daughter today. She turned it off before it was even over. Disney, when a 10-year-old thinks your Peter Pan movie is boring and stupid, you've failed.
Damn @disney #disney +, your movie sucks
Your daughter gets it. Does she like the original?
No offense but that’s a single kid lol
Yes my granddaughter said it was boring too
I love most Disney movies and even as an adult and I could not sit through it🥱. I feel like if they could not copy the original or make it better than the Robin Williams version (which will be very hard) then they should have waited😢
If a woman can't be powerful without beating men or degrading men... She is not strong, just an agenda. A strong woman shows you she is strong without having to tell you.
YES! Strong women don't need to go around announcing they are strong, nor do they need to tear others down to "prove" their inner strength!
Funny, I do know one nation always go around and announce they're strong (even claim they're stronger than U.S) ;) ;) Maybe, this movie is their movie =))
💯% Agree
Preach
Like Furiosa in Mad max fury road.
She is mostly silent but you can tell she is strong because of her actions, not just a dialog, she isn't trying to prove her strength to other.
That's an empowering woman character done right
Wendy's whole character is based on being a wonderfully nurturing, smart woman. Making women more like men is not empowering. It's erasing women.
I need that on a t shirt!
Yes. Exactly. Very smart observation. They should find a way to empower femininity itself not just having a vagina and then being a man with it. It's like they already decided that men have it figured out, being a boy and then a man is the right way to be and being a feminin nurturing soul, a future mother ist nothing but a BREEDING COOKING SLAVE (Not acknowledging that you would "breed" and "nurture" your own beloved family but if you work for strangers it's empowering. So. Stupid. So backwards. My girlfriend (who has become conservative now with me in this relationship over time) has recently been offended because I said "man I wish to be in the garden and working for us with my hands and creating beautiful things for us with my own labor. And then you would bring me snacks and something to drink out that would be so wholesome" . She was INSTANTLY offended with a "wow......." Not realizing that 1) I work for US way harder in that moment so actually I would be the oppressed one 2) that there is no fucking oppression at all going on in the first place!! And 3) that everything she thinks is attractive on a man like having the ability to build something or doing hard Labor for his family willfully has the exact equivalent in the feminin realm. WE find it attractive when women are nurturing and trying to serve us as well. That's not patriarchy. That's not oppression. That's being a team and a family that loves so much that it wants to serve and provide.
Nobody hates women more than feminists
Right not all women are self assured and out spoken. Ready to fight any battle. Some of them are just like the original Wendy
what's funny is that feminists think this is what lifts women up, makes them strong, when actually they're still just gloryfying men, because they're basically saying that a woman can't be strong and inspiring unless she becomes a man, or acts like the man, or has the same physical capabilities as a man. In the end you're still just making men out to be the better gender and it's honestly so fucking funny
So basically they took a character that cared about strangers and turned her into a character that wants to justify only caring about herself? What a great moral to the story.
"boss woman" mentality XD complete garbage
The Robin Williams movie had different races of people too. No one complained.
@@vertigo2894 and in a fantastic (lit.) movie, it really doesn't matter. also, pirates can be different races.
As far as I'm concerned, that's not an version Wendy, that's Wanda, surprised they didn't make her fat.
A very appropriate moral for the Disney execs who seem to care only about themselves and their agenda and don't care at all about what the public actually wants to see.
Tinkerbell was a firecracker FULL of personality! She was super jealous and protective of Peter Pan and the Lost Boys. She was full of attitude and sass. Peter Pan was known for his bravery and fearlessness, which beautifully harmonized the dynamic between him and Wendy, who was the "Mother" figure. She was nurturing and caring and brought a sense of comfort and order to the otherwise chaos and immaturity of the boys. Absolutely NOTHING in this version resonates with the original. Another Disney disappointment.
In the original she was jealous of Wendy and wanted to get her killed
Yes 100%
@@skootergirl22 Exactly! She literally set up traps and would maniacally lay and wait to watch Wendy get taken out and would throw a tantrum kicking the air when it didn't work or act all innocent and hide if Peter caught her trap for Wendy and stopped it... I can understand if Disney wanted to make Tink a little less murderous for this version lol, but to completely take away her personality is ridiculous! No excuse for that. Jealousy, sass, and attitude are all normal emotions and characteristics in people and by showing that gives the character depth and dimension. Having a character with no range of emotion is boring and unrelateable for the audience.
Yes Tinkerbell in this version has ZERO in relation to the OG Tinkerbell... But you are forgetting a very crucial point: This Tinkerberl.... IS BLACK !
And according to Disney, that should be more then enough to be better then the og.
@@josejuanandrade4439 no but that’s why. She’s black and they didn’t want to portray a black woman as hot headed since it’s a stereotype
Wendy blames her brothers for the mirror she broke.
No accountability... How very modern of her.
💀 seriously
I hated that part of the movie so much, I could feel the pain as a younger sibling
If it was the original Wendy she would take the blame for them even if it's not her fault 😢
That would've been a great, if she later admits her faults, like admiting she was at fault for the death of Peter pan.
Definite 2023 woman as accountability is a foreign concept.
Wendy is gentle, nurturing, soft spoken and loving, she is one of the most feminine characters, she reminds the boys that they can't stay there forever and wakes them up from their trance like state without being harsh or mean. She embodies the mother and makes them miss home. All the kids see a mother in her. She's pure and kind. That's why I like her so much. Why is that apparently not good enough? That's divine feminine. Why are women only good enough when they act like men?
It's teaching kids to stop being kids, and to grow up and start taking on adult roles. Oh, I get the new version now. They are directing this at a generation that isn't growing up.
💯% Agree
Oh God, "the Devine feminine", can't we just let women be who they want.
Idk. Maybe it's just that I have a lot more Tink in me than I do Wendy lol
@@jessicamessica2271 who said women can't be who they want to be? What the hell were you reading? Cuz it surely wasn't my comment. This is about Wendy and why I appreciate her so much. I don't know why you made this about you being Tinkerbell. 💀
@Heinzelmädchen it's more like I've seen a lot of videos lately about "traditional femininity and housewives and homemakers.". If we hold up one image of woman as the Devine feminine, it kind of holds up one kind of woman as the Supreme of ideal woman. Which makes everybody else feel like there's some sort of standard of womanhood people aren't living up to by trying to have a good time in life
Actually the lost boys being all boys does matter because lore wise only boys were able to be “lost” because girls had more common sense and were smarter.
This is why Wendy was so important, she represented maturity and a feminine loving perspective that the boys never had.
And these were messages that Walt Disney, a man, wanted to get across. The bright side of growing up and embracing manhood, the importance of a motherly figure and woman's touch, appreciation for well-meaning albeit humanly imperfect fatherly discipline, and love for the family and home. Walt knew better how to highlight values of femininity without shaming masculinity. If anything, his version embodied empathy, understanding and union between both.
I was looking for someone familiar with the original story lol, Disney has really sunk low over the years
The original Wendy was a girl boss. She created so much peace and love without raising a fist, a sword, or her voice. Want a hard job? Be patient and loving to a pack of wild children
You just evaporated their entire arguement.
Too bad leftists see "girl boss" as something sterile, like leading a Fortune 500 company while sleeping around.
I read hard job as hand job… I was like uhhhh, I don’t get the punchline
Excellent analysis and astute commentary 👍
@@tigerprincess11 😂😂😂😂
You know the movie is bad, when it went straight to Disney Plus, not movie theaters.
Disney was not confident with this one, but are *highly* confident with The Little Mermaid Remake!🤣
@@liamphibia right I noticed that becuase the little mermaid had lots of views and likes on there but with this one the views were down and they were getting no likes
@@vibesgaming2875 it's also the most disliked video on youtube lol
Lady and the Tramp deserved to be in theaters more than Little Mermaid and that was direct to Disney plus as well
😅😅😅😅
If I remember correctly, Lost Boys and Peter was immature and just doing whatever they want. Wendy was the voice of reason and trying to get the boys break away from those habits. Tinker Bell don't like strangers due to always wanting to be capture for her magic. Wendy eventually becomes homesick and Peter didn't want her to leave and become a Lost Boys and never get old or have worries. Wendy wanted to have a family and grow old with them which is why she left. That was the driving point of Wendy character. This is what made Wendy special to the plot and what she got the Lost Boys to understand that being young and playing forever isn't a fulfilling life.
Exactly. I haven't seen the original movie for awhile (I'm in my forties), but I remember Wendy as a reasonable, mature, MOTHERING type of character.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
The importance of mothers was a driving theme of the story, so of course, if they removed that theme to make it a "girl boss" movie that denigrates motherhood, it loses the plot.
@@sarahbrown2789 the whole Peter Pan story was about to explore and show the difference between immaturity (childhood) and maturity (adulthood) and to help us understand why we can't stay children forever.
were*** immature, not was.
They changed Wendy from being a literal mother figure as she is supposed to be, and as is the WHOLE POINT of the story! They fail because they made Wendy INTO Peter Pan.
Peter Pan is the spirit of childhood freedom and adventure, the boy who never grows up, constantly being pursued by Captain Hook, the spirit of bitter adulthood, cruel responsibility, and the _Fear of Death_ *tick tick tick* awareness of one's mortality! Wendy is the only girl _chosen_ to come to Neverland BECAUSE of her mothering nature, because she knows stories to tell the lost boys, Lost Boys who desperately want a mother, and learns that she wants that life of her OWN not just playing pretend and that growing up and having the authentic experience of adulthood *_IS WORTH IT._*
But instead this Wendy has to validate her insistence that the right path for her is to spend her days going on adventures, only to write about them and making no deeper connections as she is _happy_ to die completely alone. (projecting much, writers?) *JUST LIKE PETER PAN.* An admirable yet tragic figure as he can NEVER grow up and will NEVER understand to enjoy the real world on deeper levels like Wendy does, and like the FORMER Lost Boys do at the end, as they get a happy ending by finding their purpose and growing up to LIVE.
When you're a child, you want to be Peter Pan.
When you're growing up, you know you can't.
When you're an _adult, you _*_know you shouldn't be._*
_"To die would be an awfully big adventure."_ -Peter Pan
*_"To LIVE would be an awfully big adventure."_* -J.M. Barrie (as The Narrator at the end of the Play.)
Haha my husband caught on to that. Normally he just gives me crap for bringing up the points in these comments but even her was like “so her whole life growing up is to die alone?” Also, why not make the fairy a different character instead of tinker bell who, btw, was much stronger than this version.
Adding that if they wanted a well written girlboss in Peter Pan they could've just make a Peter and Jane. Because I loooooooved Jane who was more of a tomboy, mature girl. I'm just so Nostalgic over the old Disney Movies. I can't find good ones anymore... Ones that made me cry my eyes out, since Coco. (Even Encanto was a bit disappointing in a way)
@@iwishiknewsooner5116 Who is/was this Jane?
@@tomsmith6513 Wendy's daughter in Peter Pan 2
I don't think I could ever say it better myself. Absolutely Love this comment ❤️🤩❤️
When I was a tween, I used to hate that Wendy didn’t want to stay in Neverland with Peter. But as I got older, I realized that at least in the 2001 remake, that growing up and letting go of love that isn’t right for you was important- and I’m glad to see that Wendy made wonderful realizations at that age.
this is great because your experience embodied the theme of the movie-- growing up.
God, Peter pan is prob on skidrow shooting neverland in his veins
What's funny is when I was a little kid I always got mad that Peter didn't go with Wendy. And then when they came out with Hook I was really upset because it was very clear he was still in love with Wendy and he married her granddaughter. That made me a bit queasy.
Thanks for watching this.
The majority of children sat in front of this film, aged 5 to 11 years old, will enjoy it. Children do not care about race. Only weirdo adults. Stay away from kids, dirty old men. Furthermore, J.M Barrie was a nonce. Who cares about his characters.
wendy was supposed to be a feminine girl and that’s what made her such an incredible character, it is so sad to see that today girls need to act like boys to be deemed as good characters
And yet, the same mindset abhors, “male toxicity” if a boy acts like a boy.
Because men are better at being women 🤡🤡
The 2003 live-action Peter Pan by Universal actually made Wendy more of a tomboy than other versions but she still had her essential feminine qualities and was a nice person. Shame the 2023 Disney live-action trainwreck made their Wendy a toxic person, no matter how "girlboss" she is.
@@marcohidalgo1101 I don't remember her being more of a tomboy in that movie
Girl bossing & soy boying telltale signs it's 2023.
This magic belongs to no boys...That's transphobic Wendy, she's a transphobe.
It's ironic. In the original story, Wendy serves as a feminine counterbalance yet still upholds a sort of leadership role. This version basically dismisses any power that femininity holds and claims that girls/women can only be "super" if they behave exactly the way that boys do, rather than embracing their own innate capabilities.
So well said
Turning girls into boys and boys into girls... Isn't that the rainbow agenda?
These liberals are so confused by their own ideologies. So a woman can’t be empowered unless she acts like a traditional male figure, but there’s no gender roles..but if she acts feminine and lady like she’s weak, but there’s no gender roles. But there must be gender roles because they’re acting like stereotypical genders just switched..they’re not acting like animals. But there’s no gender roles. 🤦♀️
THIS
That’s what makes it so critical that the lost boys be in fact all boys. Wendy becomes the only woman in their lives other than the not overly reliable tiger Lilly
Their Wendy is self-centered. They also contradict themselves:
"You're not all boys." "So?" "I guess it doesn't matter."
"This magic belongs to no boy."
But you said it doesn't matter...
Only doesn’t matter if it means boys are specials, girls can be anything they want
That’s crazy because a big character trait of Wendy is that she is motherly. To her brothers and to the lost boys and it makes them want to go home
Bingo
She’s motherly, sure. But she was scared of growing up and becoming a mother herself. It’s not until she made the journey that she realized that it was something for her to look forward to instead of being scared of.
@@powerofk And all off those things are still true in this new movie.
Yep
@@kevinferrin5695 😊❤ JESUS LOVES YOU AND YOUR FEARFULLY AND WONDERFULLY MADE PSALM 139:14 PLEASE REPENT AND BELIEVE ❤
"forced diversity" is the exact phrase I've been waiting for!! Brilliant Amala!
What you're really looking for is forced Propagation and Pandering.
Peter Pan was a play originally and the only physical characteristics given were “a common fairy exquisitely dressed in costume period” the interpretation was to be left up to the director. Hence she is who ever the director s chooses.
The Personal History of David Copperfield. Forced diversity and a brilliant film.
The Green Knight. Forced diversity and magnificent.
I am more confused about the fact that they didnt use this film to introduce or at the very least mention the other fairies from the disney series. They have a literal series tied to this with a whole spectrum of different fairies.
I really loved that Wendy was a girl who lived happily in her femininity and nurturing nature originally. I was the opposite as a young girl, but even though I related more to Peter, seeing Wendy made me more comfortable in my girlhood and nurturing nature. It’s so important to see those qualities as a young girl. It also allowed you to see her true strength as a person through her firmness with Peter and her compassion.
They ruined her.
They really did.🤦🏻
they didnt ruin her they fucked her up
PackiePan and Wendeesha.
And Tinkerbelleesha rapping and flying smoking ganja in da crib of aunt jemaima.
And the thing is, yes - There were little girls that acted just like Wendy in this film. But the whole point of choosing Wendy in the story is _because_ she's much more motherly and nurturing than rowdy and adventurous like the little boys. The Wendy in this version wouldn't even have been picked since it bares no purpose, however Wendy in the story was chosen since she had enough patience and comfort she could give to those who never had those given to them. That's the point of her being motherly; it's to be the figure of maturity they never had.
And you didn't have to be a boy or identify as one in order to relate to Peter and Wendy at the same time. That's what good character development looks like.
In the original, Wendy has no issues with Tinker Bell. She even compliments on her beauty and defends her when Peter decides to banish her forever.
Yeah exactly but it's not going well with Tinker bell towards Wendy Lol (*at the end of the og animated disney movie, Tinker bell have a character development and try to save Wendy, her brother and the lost boys which is cool)
True but in the book and the original, tinker bell wasn’t fond of wendy cause she’s jealous of her. Its a known fact that tinker bell held feeling for peter pan.
"But it just feels so forced." - I think this is the real problem. It's not your race or sexual identity; it's not a Black Tinkerbell. It's a movie that isn't intended to entertain us, but to lecture and virtue signal to us. I think TV commercials are doing it now, too. Remind me why I should pay to watch?
THIS 👏🏼
@@natalieromanolive I second that motion!
Yes.
.. yep, EVERYTHING we see now has to convey "a message". It's beyond tedious.
✨ Pirate the movies ✨
It's disgusting that they can't leave the woke agenda out of children's classics. Just let kids be kids. They don't need political pandering.
We now have to put parental block on Disney Channel
leave politics to the politicians
we aren’t politicians, therefore we don’t have to follow politics
The children are the future. We need to control the future.
@@peposo7 I agree
As if "wokeness" is political 🙄
Its funny too, cause Wendy is the definition of a strong female character. She, in the original story, is older and wiser (still a teenager but ya) then the little boys (all male) and has to teach them (a girl knowing more then boys, gotta set them straight). All the BOYS realize the GIRL is right and learn to grow up.
I have 0 idea why they had to change things, when it already suits the narrative they wanted. On top of that, nearly everyone already liked it, so.. NO CONTROVERSY!
Right?! This version actually sounds MUCH less feminist than the others!
So sick of wokeness watering down these characters while calling them “strong.” The lack of complexity in female characters lately feels pretty demeaning to me as a woman. I am more than just “strong.” Not to mention, my strengths are unique to me as a woman- I do not need to be strong in a masculine way to be formidable.
The problem is Wendy being a traditional motherly figure couldn't be the reason the boys grow up..that reinforces the value of motherhood and femininity which the left despises.
It doesn't fit the narrative when it comes to Wendy. They don't want little girls growing up thinking that being a mother or wife is a good trait.
Jane became a member of the group and she was a lot rougher on the edges. The only Pan films I like are the new animated ones which I had on video tapes as a child, the 2003 film and Hook. The rest have been made for little children. Mary Poppins Returns was also a bit bland instead of doing something good like expanding on Mary Poppins, who can go into magical paintings, different worlds and such. She is anything but bland.
Actually, OG Peter Pan was low-key racist to the Natives (what makes the red man red?) I didn't catch it as a child, but as an adult I recognized the problem. Not that you needed it for the story to hold together. But then when you remove that part, you get slammed for removing non-white characters from the story.
My kids were screaming at my sister to turn it off. It was a tortuous perversion of an amazing story. We just now watched 2003’s version and we’re so happy. Every detail was so well thought out. Each character is forever irreplaceable. So much emotion.
The 2003 version is so well done. And the best Peter Pan yet.
I so loved 2003 Peter Pan. Had a major crush on Jeremy LOL
The 2003 Peter Pan was not all dat. Hook was even better and I still have other movies I would rather watch before it.
❤❤ Agreed! The 2003 version is the best live action Peter Pan ever!
I pointed out a while ago that having other girls in never land defeats the big point to the story. And it underminds te role that wendy played.
A boy who doesnt want to grow up so he runs away to a magical land with a fairy, where he doesnt have to.
He gets lonely and doesnt know why so he thinks to himself ill get friends, so he gets the lost boys, all was good and all was well, nothing ever changed. They played, and lived forever, up untill wendy showed up, and she reminded them of that one thing that they all missed when they are playing house. Wendy was the mom, they realized they all missed their moms. Wendy reminded them of that by telling them stories. When wendy left, the lost boys didnt want to stay anymore. Leaving peter and tink alone in neverland to live forever.
Under and behind the fantastical story that is peter pan, its just a story about the importance of parents, growing up and acceptance. Some can do it, and some cannot. Some can do it, and still they choose and will not. While some just cant, and yet still they try.
edit: this was just my way of looking at the story. Its always been my favorite story, i was pter pan every year for holloween up untill i was like 11 and the it was a ninja. Needless to say, alas, i am not a big fan of these changes they have made.
edit: not to mention it was wendy that inspired peter to finaly face hook instead of running from him. He and the lost boys even said that hook had previously put other lost boys that got capture to the gallows. Indicating or at least implying that peter couldnt or wouldnt save them. But for wendy that changed.
And same goes for the indian's, they were at war with them untill wendy showed up, she helped make peace.
The fact that she was a girl and one of the only girls aside from the girls OF never land, via indians, which are debating if they are even real, is a huge fact that fed the whole arc of the story.
I've always read the story similar. It's sort of like a commentary on how men need women to set expectations and inspire them to greater things.
Edited to add: it's also seems to be about how men are more than boys and women are more than girls. Wendy had qualities about her that made her more than a child. That's what true maturity and taking on the mantle of civilization strives to achieve.
@@ControveryDisturber Exactly!
Now I want to read the original book. Not going to waste my time watching this poor simulacrum.
I for one, love your perception
Yes!! This is like one of my favorite movie versions. It was SO well done; "Peter Pan" 2003. I feel like it embodies all of what you said. It's a sweet, endearing, and a bit cheesy, adaptation of the story.
It's good to know that being misgendered "doesn't really matter" anymore. About time!
The irony! 🤣
only if your male...who want to be a male
@@DarkRaikon A lot of women, apparently.
@@DarkRaikonAre you male? Do you think there's only male-2-female transition too? You sound quite woke...
You are either a man or a woman since birth. God designed you that way there is no such thing as being “misgendered.” Duh 🙄
What I love about the girlboss trope is that it's done so horribly. They'll try and gaslight you by saying "you just don't like seeing strong women" when in reality, they're just poorly done. I watch anime, there's tons of insanely strong, yet still feminine characters, who are often times stronger than the guys. Disney just writes male characters, takes away their family jewels, then calls them a "strong female lead".
I could be sitting here for an hour just naming all the badass women who have inspired me (a 35yo man) throughout the years across Western media alone and not run out of ideas (I actually started, but after 15 minutes this comment was already getting too bloated and I was nowhere near done). With anime added to the mix it would be closer to three hours.
Modern versions? I feel they just skip the "girl" part of the "girlboss" and call it a day.
You know what? Do it. I'll start with my three: Red Sonja, Ellen Ripley, Princess Leia and a bonus of Sorsha from the original Willow. She wasn't quite a lead but close enough and Badass.
@@rickee2652 You're on! Capt. Janeway, and while none of the rest are leads, they're all _very_ strong characters: Valeria from Conan the Barbarian, Capt. Amelia in Treasure Planet, Violet Beaudelaire in Lemony Snicketts
Katara from Avatar the last airbender was also a strong female character done right. She's motherly, kind, sympathetic, has fears and weaknesses, and she doesn't need to bully men all the time just to prove how strong she is
@@Mordring I'm a fan of old movies, so my favorite is Maid Marian from The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938). Marian wasn't a sword-slinger or archer in that one, but she had strong Christian principles, and the almighty spine to back them up. She became a spy in John's household, and even planned and arranged Robin's rescue from execution. And when she was finally caught and brought before a tribunal, she demanded her rights under law.
But not for one damn second did she stop being a lady, nor was she implied to be weak just because she didn't brawl with the boys.
Olivia de Havilland, the actress, was a very strong woman in her own right, and every inch a feminine lady.
I think it's sad that being gentle and loving and kind are now seen as weaknesses. Why can't Wendy retain these qualities and still be depicted as courageous when she needs to be?
I watched the cartoon and the Robin Williams films when I was a child, and I enjoyed them. In the last month I read, one chapter a night for some days, the original novel to my son. It was a whole lot darker than I anticipated. Wendy being a mother was basically the most important aspect of the story. The boys wanted a mother, Peter wanted a mother, the pirates even offered to not kill Wendy if she would agree to be their mother! Theoretical adult male pirates were still clearly boys at heart. Wendy after returning home went for a short period each year, if Peter remembered, to do spring cleaning for him and as she got older her daughter and then her daughter's daughter did the same for Peter. The idea of what Disney turned that story into... my husband called it stupid, I said it was far, far too awful to be summarized by just calling it stupid. Normally I just ignore Disney, but having the original so fresh in my mind, its genuinely way worse than stupid. They actively take material and try to use it to demonize the source material. They can't just dislike the past, they try to use that history to actively attack what it was.
Edit: Additionally, Wendy brings the lost boys back home and her parents adopt them all so they can grow into adulthood. Except for Peter, because he refuses to grow up. Its... taking away the idea that she'd want to be a mother... feminism really, really hates femininity.
Yes. Feminism destroys femininity
What a great new slogan and so true "Feminism hates Femininity" great statement.
They just hate everything. Anyone who genuinely enjoys life makes them angry
Well said💯💯👏👏
I so agree that the ‘Hook’ film featuring Robin William is way better. A thousand times better than the corny remake.
The fact that this show can get a 65% on Rotten Tomatoes just PROVES the "critics" are in the pocket of Disney.
They rate any boring pc movie highly. Luckily RT has audience rating
@@humantacos9800 yeah. It's not in the pocket of Disney, it's more that Disney and the Critics are in the pocket of the SJWs.
It's not unique to movies; most critics of anything are shills. That was the whole point of Gamergate years ago.
no in the pocket of woke agenda
Paid shills
There's nothing wrong with women being kind, soft spoken and motherly. Wendy is strong in her own way, which is that she's kind and loving to her brothers and the Lost Boys no matter how rowdy they are. I loved how she never yells or loses her temper (except for that mermaid scene, but to be fair they were literally trying to drown her) but still stands her ground when the boys don't listen. She also doesn't retaliate against Tinkerbell's insults, and rather still treats the fairy with kindness, which I think is a good example for girls. I don't understand how that isn't considered strong anymore.
And she stood up for her female rights during the Indian camp scene. Now that scene was problematic and I get why they took that stuff out, but clearly she wasn't just a doormat.
@NewWorldOrder2030 Yup. This is not a movie, this is pröpägändä disguised as a movie.
@@mallorycarpinski1160I am a Native American descendent and have always loved the scene. It took a playful spin on how Indians do some strange things like smoking giant tubes etc. I always laughed, I never thought it was racist, hateful, or unjust.
Because strong female characters aren't kind, they only exist to punch boys for being too weak.
@@Creekersqueaker People who say it's "problematic" don't really understand the film. EVERY character in Neverland is represented from the perspective of children's fantasies and child's play. Pirates are real, but the Neverland pirates are not like real pirates. The same is true for the Indians. They literally play hunting games with the Lost Boys where they let each other go. The Indians are depicted how a child (British children who have never met real Native Americans) would depict them in their play. People separate the Indians from the pirates, mermaids,and fairies when they shouldn't. Neverland is NOT our world for a reason. Making the Indians historically accurate is antithetical to what Neverland is. They NEED to be simple caricatures like everything else. That's Neverland.
She hit the nail right on the head! My husband and I were so disappointed. But not surprised. Even my 13 year old girl could see through the bullsh!t. She even got inspired to write her own "alternate scenes" where she took some of the most disappointing parts and rewrote them to be more dynamic and be more in line with the original. 😂
Even kid's can sense no creativity and flat characters 🤣
@@starlovelndh seriously! 🤣
Maybe this 13 year old should make a video about it so we can find out why she was disappointed.
Did she know you didn't like the movie? Did you tell her beforehand, or was it a "let's wait and see what she thinks?"
@@starlovelndh Methinks it's an upside down world where the adults are dumb and the kids are the smart ones. There's even TV shows entitled "Are you smarter than a 6th grader" . . . something like that.
@@tomsmith6513 my guy, kids can have their own opinions. It's a poor written movie, ANYONE can see that. Not just adults.
The scripts are not only bad. They're so bad that they break the ultimate rule of writing by telling and not showing. Plugging in lines like "I thought you were boys. I guess it doesn't matter." Is a line that not only doesn't matter to the plot, they're going out of their way to tell you what their agenda is.
They make it so obvious
That and it doesn’t even fit with the plot lol
Also the director defending that he put Girls in the lost boy saying: "it's a movie made for everyone. If you want there's still the other movies. This movie is to introduce the New generation to the story". Its like he's saying that there is an agenda and he doesnt care about the lore of the story. Simply he wanted to put girls there for the sake of inclusion.
They put those lines in thinking that the audience will go "oh, I never thought of it that way." and change their whole perspective lol
I don’t get it, because there’s literally already girl characters? Why can’t the lost boys just be boys? It certainly never bothered me as a child. I wanted to be Tinker Bell or a mermaid lol
In the original, it was the same voice who did Captain Hook as well as Wendy’s father’s voice. It was kind of a wink and nod that in her fantasy the bad guy was her father 🧐😂
It was actually a representation of her fear of ‘growing up.’ Her father wanted her to grow up, and Captain Hook represented growing up, that’s why she feared him. And that’s why they always had him played by the same guy as the dad.
That was a carryover from most of the early stage play adaptations, which also used the same actor in different costumes.
The 2003 Petter Pan did that most perfectly!!! Also so sad to see a wonderful piece of storytelling being erased now.
Didn't he get drafted into ww1?
@@Osprey850 Still really good from a storytelling perspective
😩😩😩😩😩😩 this was a story about boyhood. Growing up (or rejecting the obligation to grow up) as a boy/man. It's about being a lost boy, not seeing the way to adulthood clearly and instead finding your leader in a Figure who completely shed his responsibility of becoming an adult and does whatever he wants to. It's having so little to do with women/girls (because you are too childish and undesirable to them) that you don't even really know what a girl is. It's a Story of a "i want to do everything i want to do with my imaginary Fairy-girlfriend"-boy coming in contact with a normal earthly real girl, who does ultimately NOT want to be a part of this lets just do what ever we want world. Who ultimately understands her earthly life and the real adult like pathway through it. It shows the tragedy of a man who refuses to grow up while not denying but showing the benefits of this being a child for ever, but the biggest flaw of this pathway: That it's not real.
BUT HEY F*** this story about boyhood. It's girlboss time yet again, slap the sh*t out of that peter f**boy Cause overpowered fierce bossbabe in training is here!
Couldn't have said it better myself. This is spot on!
Excellent analysis. 👏👏👏
They've destroyed this story.
Well said man😊
Never watched Peter Pan before but that sounds like a dope wtory
In this version, Wendy DEFINITELY turned into a "I'm not like other girls" girl 💀
I love that they got rid of Wendy's gentle, nurturing personality that taught the lost boys about how important and natural it was to grow up. Which led the change in them. I adore how they got rid of the fact that the reason there were no girls who were lost was because girls were too smart to get lost. I love that they made everyone much less likable versions of themselves, even when they try to make Hook a more tragic character, all they manage to do is destroy Peter's character without improving
Hook at all.
Why does Disney think "modern audiences" want terribly written stories with forced diversity and bad messages that don't really stand the test of time like the original ones did?
I’m sorry, but nothing in this movie was inspired. I was bored throughout the entire thing. Law's performance was great, but it's not enough to save this movie. Tinkerbell had no real personality-even Peter apparently can't understand her anymore despite them having been friends for many, many years. Wendy, of course, can take on full grown men in actual sword fights because she pretend dueled with her little brothers with wooden swords. Tiger Lily insists on speaking her native language, even to people who don't understand it-when she knows English and knows that they can't speak her language.
This movie is very bland. Neverland is missing pretty much all of its charm, and there's very little color in this movie. Also, I wasn't convinced Tinkerbell actually cared about anything happening, even in scenes where it's assumed she'd be upset. They made Peter much less charming, not only due to the acting, but just the actions and dialogue given to the character. Wendy had no real reason to slap him like that, but it's framed like she's in the right because, I don't know, go, girlboss Wendy, with her happy thoughts of growing old and dying alone.
Great breakdown
I love how this comment just sent me into an emotional spiral of nostalgia.
"Oh no; girls, you know, are much too clever to fall out of their prams" Well, good thing those are girlboss and dumb as bricks, I guess?
One of the worst things about these “remakes” is that they all try to justify the villains’ behavior because they had a hard life. While the truth is some people are bad just to be bad
True. So many murderers said they kill because they can. Yet disney pushes that we we should give sociopaths and narcissists 50 chances to prove that deep, deep, deep down they really have a heart of gold. No, hell, no. So done with their lies and manipulation
Yep. And they like it.
Even worse: One key difference between villains and heroes always was that bad things happened to heroes and they decided that they don't want anyone else to go through this while villains wanted everyone else to feel as miserable as them.
But now we should feel bad for villains because they were sad ones and they tell us that the villains have a right to be jerks? And heroes are just some privileged lucky bastards, that just haven't had it bad enough yet?
its their politics - they make excuses for criminals in real life.. which is why they vote for DAs who wont prosecute criminals and let thugs and thieves go free. the writers for disney insert their own domestic politics into everything now.
@@zarrahprodan2180 They justify the wrong villains for this, that's the problem.
They made Peter and Wendy the biggest a**holes in their own story. BRAVO, Disney!
As bizarre as it sounds, the original cartoon pays homage to pedophilia of young boys as animators sneaked or slipped in a coded symbolism for it in the animated version. I don't want to spend money to look to see if they included it in this new version. Knowledge of the elite's hidden-in-plain-sight secret symbolism for male pedophilia is a triangle within a triangle while that for underage girls is a heart within a heart. For most people attracted to the story of Peter Pan it is the whimsical and fun, being able to fly and visit adventurous lands that appeals to them but the core hidden concepts in the story are more suited for NAMBLA or the likes. For instance captain hook was a lost boy but now is old and getting older with time/tic tok the alligator always waiting to consume him. And just the concept of lost young boys on an island bring to mind Epstein island, for instance.
I am a black 18-year-old girl and I’m so mad what they did. There’s nothing wrong with having a diverse cast what they could’ve done was of course keep the lost boys or boys but then just have boys of different ethnicities and races Keith Peter Pan how he did in the original, and as much as I love your history, she is such a beautiful, talented actress. It’s sad that they did her so dirty in this movie.. especially keeping her dull, and just turning her into a another silly agenda to push through her, like the whole, hearing my voice thing. It was so corny the whole time I was bored I had to skip throughout the whole movie. I also think there’s nothing wrong about trying to fix their mistakes with the Native Americans but tiger lilies. Character was completely useless in this movie. She was just there standing giving expiration quotes There’s nothing wrong with her being saved and they completely missed an opportunity of showing the tribe. When do you herself she was just mad the whole time. They pretty much ruined every character.
Thank you Amala for your sacrifice of watching this train wreck on behalf of all of us! Disney has been trash for a long time. Disney shareholders are the biggest victims.
Disney's a stock now that you probably have to hold for 20 years now 🤣. It'll probably take them that long to finally wake up.
Much as I hate shareholders
I feel sorry for them losing Millions of Dollars
Amala, thank you for suffering through this piece of nonsense! I would say something else this movie is, but it is not proper on the web. But it is so sad to see such a classic story/ movie ruined by the woke agenda.
iT'S $25K for their timeshare.
The shareholders are probably the ones demanding the wokeness
Thank you for your sacrifice. Truly. All Disney movies get an automatic "no" for me unless there's sufficient proof that it isn't woke. Haven't seen any lately...
Strange World has gay characters but not woke. It was pretty good.
Disney has a lot of skeletons in their vault like all companies that started in the 30s
People assumed Princess Peach in the Mario Movie would be a "girlboss" but it turns out that wasn't entirely the case. They just based her off the cartoons and comics. What they did with Wendy is just alarming.
They were definitely going for that with Peach.
@@Crackpot_Astronaut Yeah but everything she did, she already did in the games. The only problem with her is that they portrayed her as sassy and a catty when that's more akin to Princess Daisy.
Yeah Peach was definitely a girlboss even though she still needed Mario
Peachy is the more feminine one. Daisy is more of the girlboss
@@jourdonpatron212Daisy is only portrayed like that in sports spinoffs Peach acts like that in a bunch of the RPGs as well
I love rotten tomatoes scores. Terrible movies get good scores, but the audience score is always more accurate. You can buy a score but you can't buy an audience
Wendy able to defeat grown man with sword fight is ridiculous. Especially, when her only experience with sword fight was when she played with her brothers. I guess Grown Man = Boy. Plus, its kinda funny her "Happy Memories" is her being alone till she old. Maybe, Disney want to tell girls, "Being Independence is being alone. Being Alone = Happy"
Girl being able to defeat grown man is more ridiculous than boys flying, miniature fairies and humans never getting old?
Neverland is ruled by imagination, faith, self-confidence and all that crap. In this story, anyone could defeat anyone if they just believed in themselves enough
One of Wendy's main characteristic and the reason Peter took her in is because of her motherly traits.
It's amazing how these lunatics love the term "Girl Boss" but when you have real girl boss like Riley Gaines, they hate with conviction.
It just doesn't make any sense does it? Men can be women but women can't be women unless they act like men?! Yet a strong, independent woman is ridiculed & harassed for sticking up for herself. It makes my head spin.
Trans Boss. 😂
Ripley!
Gina Carano, too.
What gets me is when grown women in their 30s and 40s claim to be a "girl boss." At that age you are a WOMAN. A woman boss, not a "girl."
In the original book, Tinker Bell drunk the poison intended for Peter Pan saving his life & saved Tink by believing in her & asked the readers to join in. In the 1953 animated film, Tink pushed a bomb in a present box. That was her redemption ark. Wendy was a damsel in distress & a charismatic mother-figure & Tiger Lily didn't have much of a role at all & both of them were not tomboys. Not to mention the book had dark elements like Peter being sociopathic.
😂😂😂 they don't want to mention that part
The downfall of Disney is both fascinating and really sad.
They had to take it down. Just like they have to take everything down. Disney has too much influence on the culture and on the shaping of children's mindsets. It is now like the proverbial poison apple.
Not really it was to be expected they have been woke before woke was actually a thing
The newest Thor AND the newest Guardians movie was a bout kids in cages😢😢😢😢
You are the downfall, not disney.
@@joshuataylor3550, you are one of the lambs who will be slaughtered in the War and no matter what you will do you will lose.
No one is on your side because your side is madness and it is massacring your mind to know it...
Deep down yourself, look inside your Evil Darkness: Ask The Gods.
Just for fun, I re-watched the original Peter Pan last week.
If you just stand back and look at it, it's really the story of Wendy. It begins with her and ends with her. The whole tale is very much seen through her eyes.
Well no its the story about the need to grow up and leave childish desires behind which wendy is there to point out to peter and the lost boys
End of day it's all normal woman have to grow up faster. Men catch up in own ways. Peter pan prob would change after his first j9b at 18 and hormones
I never even seen the animation...i guess i ought to haha
Yeah wendy is main.
@@sadhu7191wtf are you talking about😂😂😂 homie just talking to themselves
What they did with Wendy was severely disappointing. My younger sister (who forced me to watch the movie cause she was curious), and I both agreed that Wendy's mother was more "Wendy" than Wendy was.
One of the biggest takes also is that there’s a reason why it was lost boys. As in Victorian times boys would tend to end up not picked in orphanages, or would have to work in factories or mines more often than orphaned girls. I think “Hook” did a way better job of depicting the lost boys.
I remember seeing the trailer and just thinking about how GRAY it is. It seems like they just took the saturation to the lowest level on the scale as an effort to make it modern or adultish or something. One of the biggest things that is lacking in modern entertainment is MAGIC. The story of Peter Pan is magical and colorful! The best example of an adaption/sequel being done well is Robin Williams’ Hook. That movie was MAGICAL. The sets were incredible, the effects were slightly dated but exciting, and the whole movie made you want to jump into the story with the characters! Peter Pan and Wendy looks so drab and depressing, no adult would want to watch it, let alone a kid.
You mean gay?
all the other peter pan movies (including the animated classic) had vibrant colour/atmosphere but based on the few clips i seen, it look so bland..... was not NEVERLAND the land of magical where boys does not want to leave or age up?? if its so bland...why peter pan bother stay there ??
Looky looky, someone else remembered Hooky... omg... I'd rather my daughter watch Hook 1,000 times instead of this horror fest. They lost the magic and went for radical anti-feminine femme
@@asrafkhalid1231 you get it!!
@@AshaGrenetal exactly. I'm so glad I grew up with movies like that.
Both of my daughters watched the trailer and refused to even try to watch it. They mentioned the girls in the lost boys and said they hate reboots eventhough they’ve watched every rendition of Peter Pan and love them. This was an innate reaction by them and at first I wasn’t sure why but now thanks to this video I can see why.
Smart kids 👍🏻
In the play, which is the original source material for Peter Pan, the part of Hook is always played by the same actor that plays Wendy's father, so it is really a coming of age story for Wendy. He is distant and a stern disciplinarian - common in England in this period, and what is apparent is that Wendy yearns for a world where parental discipline is non-existent - she sees it as an evil and in her imagination only an evil pirate would use such tactics. In the play Wendy becomes a mother to the lost boys and her love and attention transforms them, giving them license to grow up. Girls are "too clever" to fall out of their prams and so, never end up in Neverland.
What's interesting is that while Wendy is a central character of the play, her chief characteristic and strength, that of maternal instinct, holds no value for today's feminists and so we must transfer all of the typically male characteristics to the female lead while neutering the male characters. Although I have no plans to see the movie, or really any of Disney's current fare, I suspect that Wendy's maternal nature is, if not entirely missing, at least downplayed in favor of a modern woman who can "have it all" without the slightest need of a man in her life.
Peter Pan, on the other hand has been castrated. No spirit of adventure, no bravery, only a weak, pre-adolescent without redeeming feature who must be rescued from every perilous situation by the all-wise, all-knowing Wendy. We must make him the anti-hero to put him in his place because from the modern feminist perspective he is all toxic masculinity. Fortunately, if we can just allow a strong woman to take over, all will be well! It is this upending of all of the truthful aspects of the original story that leaves the audience certain that this film is dishonest. Only feminist hacks seem to identify with it and they award it the 15 point Rotten Tomatoes score, while the blind-guides who make up the professional critics gave it a much higher score in line with their liberal/woke sensibilities.
Well said. Well done.👍👍👍
I thought maybe they were twins.
Captain is the lost boy while Wendy's Father didn't get lost.
"Wendy yearns for a world where parental discipline is non-existent - she sees it as an evil and in her imagination only an evil pirate would use such tactics. In the play Wendy becomes a mother to the lost boys and her love and attention transforms them, giving them license to grow up. "
and that is the problem with most of these "updates";
they don"t understand the central ideas behind the stories they massacre.
Wendy is canonically a mom by the end of the original book and play. And was always meant to be from the story's beginning. I'd go as far as to say that one theme going on in it is that being a mom is a higher calling than swashbuckling adventures where boys play with swords.
Hi Amala! I don't think I'll watch this new version of Peter pan, but that "ThIs MaGiC bElOnGs To No BoY" sounds so pathetic compared to the previous version of 2003 where Wendy asks Peter why there aren't any girls in neverland and Peter says something like "girls are too smart to fall from their beds" (can't remember the exact quote). I found that short phrase from Peter so #girlboss when I was a little girl 😂
"girls are too smart to fall from their beds" -- did he really say that?
As for no girls in Neverland, well, there was one girl . . . her name was Wendy.
It's not worth the watch. Peter Pan is one of my favorite stories of all time. I didn't laugh once, smile once, get sad at all, get mad.. I literally had a straight face the whole time. Which I'm a very sensitive person, who will cry over tiny things. Nothing. Watch at your own risk to get your own opinion. But I'm letting you know now, if you love Peter Pan you will most likely hate this movie
@@tomsmith6513no, not from their beds, I think it was babies who fall out of their pram/buggy/stroller
But yes. That Peter Pan movie was far better
@@tomsmith6513in the 2003 movie and the book Wendy asks why there are no girls and Peter gives her a look of adoration and replies with "girls are much too smart to fall out of their prams"
That was a REALLY great line from the 2003 version, indeed! That was all that was needed for an explanation!
Wendy went from a motherly figure to a nihilistic loner. Dy¡ng alone, not even with a cat, or a lesbian lover.
Nothing.... Alone.
That's terrifying.
Edit: I'm talking about Wendy, not about you. Yes, you that want everybody to know that "i'm different" 🙄🙄
Yep, feminism always highlights how "slay" and "pleasurable" your life can be, but you'll be perpetually depressed and coping, and trying to pretend you're not
Old.
Alone.
Done for.
Dogs are better than humans and can’t change my mind. Also when you have good friends, a lot of dogs and a really good family as well as a good job. You don’t need a significant other
@@honeybee-xp2so congratulations for coming to this earth just to be the genetic end of the genealogy of all your ancestors.
That's terrifying *and tacky:* nihilism is soooo 1999 and these people think it's cool...
The casual violence of girls hitting boys demonstrates exactly how the writers/directors/producers/Disney feel about boys as a whole.
Disney has jumped the shark and into the waiting arms of violent sexism. Way to go you putzes!
Girls can hit boys but boys can't hit girls
At least in this case, the main character wasn't hit in the privates. That's usually what happens.
@@markfountain5728 That's because Peter doesn't have any, not in this movie.
the writers insert themselves in everything - so ofc they slap small boys to show their strength. Peter in this movie is a short little boy played by wooden actor who can't speak properly.. Wendy towers over him .. this is another She-Hulk production
@@markfountain5728Yeah then everyone laughs at a man in pain
I adored the original Wendy, she was adventurous and creative, and sure she liked boyish things like sword fights but that didnt take away from her pure and nurturing persona that attracted Peter and the rest of the lost boys to her. The story was about her finding value in who she is, not becoming another (better!) boy. If you want a great Peter Pan movie watch the 2003 version or Finding Neverland which is the story of how it came to be. Thats what the story is meant to be.
I dont mind the idea of Tiger Lily rescuing people and being kind of cheeky by speaking a language the others won't understand. She always felt like a crafty, talented character to me.
Done correctly, it would fit her character and personality just fine. I'm pretty sure it wasn't done correctly, though.
In the original film, she didnt speak English at all, and only spoke her native tongue; she relied on mannerisms to communicate. I think changing that one particular thing actually destroyed the integrity of her character.
@@AmandaDixsonwait..... I don't think Tiger Lily talked at all other than screaming help when the water level was rising
The majority of children sat in front of this film, aged 5 to 11 years old, will enjoy it. Children do not care about race. Only weirdo adults. Stay away from kids, dirty old men. Furthermore, J.M Barrie was a nonce. Who cares about his characters.
@@TheAmalaEkpunobi The Personal History of David Copperfield. Forced diversity and a brilliant film.
Agreed. As I recall, in the original book the reason she'd been captured by the pirates was because they caught her sneaking alone onto their ship to assassinate Captain Hook. In a tragic twist her characterization was done dirty by Disney long before this monstrosity ever came along.
I love that Wendy's happy thought was pretty much identical to that of a spoiled brat woman in 2023...
The minute I saw the Black Tinkerbell I knew it would be a travesty. I highly recommend the 2003 Peter Pan with Jeremy Sumpter as Peter Pan and Rachel Hurd-Wood as Wendy Darling. Also Captain Hook should always be a villian not a neutral character I'm so sick of the neutral villains in disney movies now. But Jason Isaac is wonderful in the 2003 Peter Pan he is conniving, he lies, and is a true Coddfish.
I recommend The Goes Wrong Show's adaptation. Hysterical!
I honestly found this hilarious. Because I remember when everyone was saying this peter pan was really bad .2003 version Now the remake making people appreciate the 2003 version
Why? There are many, many adaptations of Peter Pan where just about every character was changed in some manner.
You people act as if Disney was the only one that has adapted a public domain story.
@@gloriathomas3245There's a big difference between a good faith adaptation and what Disney has done here, and you know it. If this were a one-off thing, I could give Disney the benefit of the doubt. But their track record is clear.
agreed! I had a DVD of the 2003 version growing up (still have it
Funny how they can make Tink talk and at the same time give her less character depth than when she didn't
(Spoiler alert!) My biggest beef with this film was the point at which Peter lost his powers, and suddenly Wendy was wielding them. Peter Pan, in every other iteration of the tale, is the heart of Neverland's magic. It was reaching a point where i was anticipating a sequel to the film, wherein Wendy controlled Neverland.
There was so much wrong with this film, and I'm glad to hear that it's been given such a reasonable audience score on RT.
I haven’t watched it, but Peter losing his powers really makes me upset lmao why can’t they just leave it alone instead of trying to empower wendy
@@nemofish3504 Because in their minds, they firmly believe that the only way to empower women is to destroy men in any way possible.
The audience score is all that matters on RT. I'm glad people ignore the "critics."
Amala I seem to send you a lot of comments these days.
I must say I'm getting on a bit and it is so refreshing to hear a highly intelligent, articulate young woman with the courage to stand up against the BS and speak commonsense and facts out loud. It takes real guts in this day and age May I compliment you on your excellent, well thought out podcasts. You go!!!😊😄
yeah shes amazing and on point
Wendy was a mother figure to the lost boys in the book 📖 and also in the original Disney movie. VERY feminine, and embodied traditional womanly characteristics!
I came to say that. I'm so glad I saw this whole thread - saved me from watching it.
But in this film she is rude and condescending and bossified just to be empowered 😑
But unfortunately, feminists hate femininity, so we can't have it anymore.
Although the character Peter Pan originally was in a book, Peter Pan, or The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up, was a stage play.
While conservatives would consider a lot of those traits qualities, the left considers those traits icky.
I rewatched the Matrix trilogy this weekend. Incredibly diverse and incredibly good, because it's not forced. It makes sense.
The 2003 Peter Pan movie was extremely well done for those who have not seen it.
I have! I loved it!
The BEST Peter Pan adaptation ever.
2003 version is by far the best live action adaption ever. Surprisingly, before this movie ,; Peter Pan and Wendy, the worst version was that train wreck Pan.
I love that one! Makes me cry sometimes. It’s just so well done and I’ve watched it many times. Had it on DVD.
@@ilicia_08 ahhh DVD 📀 man those were the days.
Thank you Amala 🥀
for sacrificing your precious time
& giving us , a true assessment .
Thank you Amala :)
Nice p-40. Do you fly it?
The wokest thing since Woke came to Woke Town.
StillAboveGround
...but only until the next movie is released.
@@TheNewsInASL The sequel will be called, "Awesome Wendy and Buffoon Peter Pan".
@@stillaboveground2470 😂😂
@@stillaboveground2470
I'm not even talking about a sequel to this movie. I meant the next movie released by the movie industry as a whole.
Wendy: a Mother to lost boys, who is strong nurturing and guides Peterpan and lost boys back toward life and growing up.
Wendy now: don't want ti be Mother. (Being a Mother is lowly? Demeaning? OR too hard for u. Too sacrificing?)
I had quite a time convincing my rainbow loving preschool aged daughter that mixing all the colors together doesn't result in a rainbow but muddy brown. I feel like in all this effort to diversify we are actually losing the beautiful diversity of humanity. Differences and uniqueness are getting lost and muddled together. Instead of male and female and an array of races we are quickly moving toward a genderless, raceless society where everyone is basically the same.
Are you sure that muddy brown isn’t the movie filter? Because even Narnia has more vibrancy than this….
You need to actually buy paint and show her. Critical lesson.
Completely agree and it erases the uniqueness of different races and their respective cultures.
@@christiandelcarmen1278How dare you compare Narnia such a shit show like this 😭😭😭
@@spiderlilly9 I’m using Narnia as the standard for comparison.
In the book it is true that Peter is painted as an antagonistic figure because he’s SO immature that he often neglects the Lost Boys and Tink, leaving them to wonder if he’s died somewhere. He’s completely self absorbed and self aggrandizing, but it plays into the theme of growing up and serves a purpose. Also he did feed Hook’s hand to the tic tok croc in the book and he tells it as a grand exploit. But again, these things tied into a theme in the book. This retelling makes everything meaningless.
Peter Pan represented the worst of being a child. Children can be incredibly heartless and that’s why he was the way he was, because he was a child who never grew up and never wanted to, and that showed the dangers of that desire.
But he wasn’t utterly evil. Why did this movie make it about a battle between male and female? Why did Wendy have to take his powers?
Thanks for watching it Amala, so we didn't "have to". I haven't. I won't. And for that matter, I won't watch anything from Disney period, "woke" or otherwise. Their shenanigans have managed to turn some of us off permanently.
There's no reason to watch Disney anymore. They have ruined children's movies and ruined Star Wars. I don't know what else they can ruin, but I'm sure they'll find a way.
Captain Hook was only the villain because he was an adult. Adults are the 'enemy' in Neverland because they represent oppression, control, and above all, loss of innocence. And growing up, which Peter VEHEMENTLY swears never to do.
But he does return the lost boys to their families at the end when they want to go home. He won't force others to remain young forever.
Okay, Peter Pan (the original novel adaptation of the play), is one of my favorites so it annoys me when the movies get it SO wrong. The closest is the 2003 live action.
1. “Peter Pan and Wendy” got one thing a little right- Peter is a bit of a villain. But not because he’s evil. Hook explains at one point (not in THIS version) that Peter is stuck as a boy and therefor cannot grow/mature or love like Wendy can. This means, he does things that not only put people in danger but he also hurts people unnecessarily simply for “adventure/fun” because he doesn’t have enough sense of empathy.
2. Wendy should have a little crush on Hook. He represents SOME of the good things about growing up like how you can have meaningful relationships with others capable of them. Because adults CAN feel deep romantic love as Wendy wants for herself. So adulthood isn’t as terrible as she thought. In this way, Hook encourages her to keep maturing.
3. I don’t care about race swapping much but yes, the Lost Boys should in fact be BOYS. There is a massive difference in how the genders mature, what we want and when.
4. Wendy is an outside thinker but she does want children and a husband one day. You can be creative and intelligent and still want traditional things.
Sorry, I know this has been a rant. Just that J.M. Barrie wrote a story that has different levels. You get something different out of it depending on how old you are when you read the book/ watch the play. Kids get a story about a boy who loves adventure. Grown ups get a story about a girl learning about the importance of growing up yet keeping your adolescent spirit.
The 2003 live action was pretty good---if my foggy memory was correct---and it's just been forgotten.
"the Lost Boys should in fact be BOYS. There is a massive difference in how the genders mature, what we want and when." Good point. Changing that does away with the point of Wendy, kind of the whole point of her character was that, while still a child and having fun, due to being a girl she'd matured at an age when they hadn't.
"Wendy is an outside thinker but she does want children and a husband one day. You can be creative and intelligent and still want traditional things. " Yeah, and the thing is that in the story of Peter Pan, wanting a family IS being an outside thinker. If Wendy doesn't want one, she's no different than all the Lost Boys.
I love how you put a spoiler alert disclaimer at the beginning. As if anyone is going to watch it anytime soon. 😂😂
No peter pan movie in history can even compare to the timeless, wholesome, heartbreaking but awakening movie, "Hook"...it will always be the best
i'd have to disagree. you see "hook" was a very different story than OG peterpan. peterpan was a bout boy hood growing into adult hood and taking responsibility. while "Hook" was about older men reconnecting with their childhood. Hook is a great movie, amazing even, timeless for sure, and does what it does better than most other movies that do that same thing. but it's NOT a great peterpan movie because it does not do what the story of peterpan did literarily. It's actually doing the opposite of what the peterpan story was about.
I was searching for this comment ❤
Not a movie but the Peter-pan in the show once upon a time was really good. Love how they used the original story line where Peter was the bad guy
@@wolfyy664 sames!! The best season! It was perfect
😎👍🏾
If I ever wrote a fairytale (or a novel, comic, anything) and someone decided to trash it this way has been I would be so angry or turning over in my grave!! So disgusted with the lack of creativity of any of the present generations!!!
My oldest child's favorite Disney film was Peter Pan. Strangely he personified the character ( a love for adventure and child like fearlessness, yet needed his mother). My favorite Peter Pan story arch was on the show Once Upon A Time. It was dark and Peter was a grown man who longed for the carefree life of being a boy. He chose this over taking on the responsibility of caring for his young son. Even Tinkerbell was a fairy who had been banished to Neverland for breaking protocol. It was dark, sinister and such an entertaining take on the classic story. Both the original and the OUAT version are wonderful studies in psychology and the acceptance of adulthood.
Wendy was supposed to be the story teller and mom figure to the lost boys. That's why she decided to grow up.. That's the whole point.. Captain hook can't be one of the lost boys... He's a GROWN MAN! In neverland, kids DONT grow up... That's the whole point..
I love Peter Pan too much to watch this movie.
Actually, in the original book everyone else does grow up except for Peter. It is heavily implied that he kills them when they do and so the lost boys keep changing and the old ones "get taken somewhere by Peter and are never seen again" and new ones showing up.
@@LyraValley
The original book also says that "girls were too clever to fall out of their carriages" (i.e. strollers), so having girls in the Lost Boys dumbs down girls altogether.
You've obviously never read J.M Barrie's original book. You might do that before you go babbling about things you are most profoundly ignorant of.
The hook/lost boy story was done by Christina Henry in the book Lost Boy and it was done MUCH better. Also we already had a perfect live action peter pan film in 2003 👌 I highly recommend watching it.
Great video Amala!
Jason Isaac is amazing as Captain Hook. It really is the perfect adaptation. It is very mature and doesn’t treat the audience as if they’re stupid.
Precisely! So glad to see someone else bring it up. I love that movie to bits. Perfect, which is why I won't be watching this one.
@@Charmand3r1108
I'd argue that Dustin Hoffman's Hook was closer to the original character, who was a gentleman pirate.
The book "Lost Boy" - incredible! Must read to everyone who is interested Peter and Hook story.
They took out all the heart and soul with no cleaver writing
Wendy meeting the lost boys not only showed her how to have patience and understanding for the kids she one day wanted in a family of her own. But she was able to confirm she didn't want to conform to Peters ideals of being a child forever. The lost boys also learned so much from Wendy. They also realized what they lost by leaving their mothers/ parents before they were mature enough to truly be on their own.
This modern Wendy might have saved the boys for a minute in a stupid sword fight
But 1953 wendy gave the boys skills to save & think for themselves with her wit for a lifetime.
Tiger Lily did save Peter Pan in the stage version and he also saved her life which led to the Ugh-a-wug song which has since been banned. How sad that Wendy didn’t pass the torch on to her daughter Jane. With the hint in the animated version that her dad might have once gone there, I always loved how the magic of Neverland was passed to the next generation.
Thanks for watching it so I don't have to!
I must say, it is actually _fitting_ to have diverse pirates, as they could have picked up sailors from all over the world. Come to think of it, they should have included female pirates, fierce and full of missing teeth and scars.
For this movie it would've been in theme since peter pan actually kidnapped those now-pirates when they were kids.
Guess Disney didn't get a lot of memos on Peter Pan
Did they not have females on ships because they were considered bad luck?
History records only two female pirates of reputation. In the Caribbean Sea during the Golden Age of Piracy, Anne Bonney and Mary Read were the only two that I know of. There were others around the world but female pirates have never been anything but a rarity.
Cheng I Sao was a Chinese pirate who started in a brothel and retired when British and Portuuese Navy was recruited to go after her. She stepped down and bargained to keep her riches and became a casino owner and died at 69. I had a pirate book but she never appeared in it for some reason. She apparently had rapists beheaded.
A lot of them dressed as men so there might never be a true number of female pirates.
The core idea is to praise everything but males (especially white males), and castigates them. So, I don't think it's surprising that not to see any female pirates. By the way, even the _"full of missing teeth and scars"_ can't change a woman's beauty as all are 10/10. So, no :D
Your mention of Captain Hook is more aligned with the original story, but Hook left Neverland thereby escaping death as he aged past 'boyhood'. Upon somehow returning to Neverland he hunted down Peter to save the lost boys that he continuously collected and then would kill when ageing past the boyhood above age. In particular adaptations of the tale, the crew that Hook has is made up of the rescued lost boys he managed to rescue before Peter ended them. Also, if I recall bringing Wendy to Neverland was an accident and Tink wanted to kill her because she was never meant to be there, the same reason why the mermaids wanted to drown her.
Overall the original tale of Peter Pan was actually a fairytale meant to warn young boys away from the prospect of never growing up, same with young girls wanting to be more like young boys or never growing up either. Like all fairytales of their time, they were dark and very gruesome, not what Disney has painted any of them to be since the inception of their animated retellings.
Even though I enjoy the Disney adaptations of these fairytales, I know that they were cautionary tales to the original audience meant to their audiences into changing their behaviour for the better. Some of the Grimm Fairytales that I have so far read are like this, with others encouraging looking for answers to prevent gruesome ends from happening.
I would suggest Amala, perhaps look into the originals that Disney has modernized for today's audience. Although I do agree that Tink was never meant to be the "get out of jail free card", she was a dark fairy, as were all fairies in Neverland and in all fairytales if you go back to their original source material.
Sorry about the long comment, but I thought it was necessary to shed some light on the original that I actually enjoy.
In my understanding, there were two types of fairies or faeries as fairies are actually more akin to nymphs, elements of nature. Faeries however are different. Faeries had two kinds, the Selee and unselee. The unselee couldn't reproduce unlike the Selee, so to increase their numbers, they would kidnap children, though the Selee were also dangerous and would kidnap too. It's completely possible that Peter was also kidnapped by following Tinkerbell as wisps and banshees would lead lost traveler in the woods astray.
But that my take.
I think after some time, the kids actually became faeries as well and Peter is the only one we see.
This is exactly correct. The original stories are so very dark!
I agree.. if you go back to the original BOOK, before Disney got it's grubby hands on it, the difference between the book and this movie is even more stark. Disney has become the teens' fan-fiction actualizer of all the stories they touch.
Have they no originality? Is there nothing among the 21st century storytelling, that they have to go back to the first decade (1902~1911) of the previous century for 'new' material??
The LEAST they could do would be to look at the Newbery Medal books - "The Giver" (1993) is now a 4-volume series and features not only a utopia gone dystopian but also a female protagonist who reaches the resolution in the later volumes; "The Graveyard Book" (2008) even has a graphic version to help the producers envision a production, and a clever writer who could help with lively dialog.
This "Peter Pan & Wendy" production makes Amazon's fan-fiction "Rings of Power" look 'mediocre', instead of the earlier rating of 'travesty' against the original books.
I have seen the play and read the book (they’re great) and Captain Hook isn’t a former Lost Boy he was Blackbeard’s boatswain and the only one that Barbecue ever feared and is obsessed with good form (and vengeance against Pan), Peter Pan brings Wendy and her brothers to Neverland deliberately while Tinker Bell is incapable of feeling more than one emotion at the same time and as such when she’s good she’s all-good and when she’s bad she’s all-bad hence her antagonism towards Wendy. And it definitely is a cautionary tale against not growing up as Peter completely forgets about Captain Hook after killing him and he loses Wendy due to not being emotionally mature enough to be willing to be something to a woman that isn’t a son and all the Lost Boys leave him to grow up and are adopted by the Darlings.
I read that too! But isn't this the Disney live-action remake? Meaning they are going off the cartoon not the original dark version of the story. I feel like they wanted to add Hook's backstory which is fine. And Peter Pan apologizing is sweet. I do agree with Amala in everything else though. Lost boys should be lost BOYS. Tinker Bell was a flat character. Wendy's character was dumb too. Too much feminism and they downgraded Peter Pan. Oh, and race-swapping Tinker Bell was dumb too.
I highly recommend 2003 Peter Pan for everyone who felt like this movie was such a massive hit and miss. It has every ounce of vibrancy, magic, Victorian accuracy, and love put into it that this version is lacking.
I saw the 2003 version in theaters. I was 10 at the time and I remember me and my parents being in awe of the film. I loved the whimsy and magic.
Hook, with Robin Williams, Dustin Hoffman and Julia Roberts is my favorite Peter Pan story.
Same. It was so well done. It came out when I was in elementary school, and now my kiddos love it. 💗
Who is so arrogant as to bastardize J.M. Barrie's work?
Hook was released to home video when my older son was 4 and I was nearing the birth of his brother. My mother stayed with our older son while I was at the hospital, and he requested a nonstop binge of Hook. Now he’s a dad who will introduce his little one to that movie…not this one.
The Jeremy Sumpter on is my fave!
Same
You forgot to mention the fact that Wendy b!tchslaps Peter Pan in this Remake. Ugh, that moment was the definition of *character assassination.*
Saw another reviewer say something I completely agree with. This new Wendy is supposed to be stronger...but in fact they made her so much more weaker...
I just came to the sudden realisation that 2023s peter pan and wendy and the little mermaid are basically the same film;
The lead female character follows a boy to his world, despite having almost zero romantic interest in him and ends up saving the day from the films villan despite said boy probably having way more experience in that world.
Great point on Wendy being changed from a motherly guide for the Lost Boys to what she is in the film. This is the result of denying that female role of fostering children is a female role. And also partly due to imposing the postmodern self-oriented self-actualization obsession of today’s kids onto her. This has the tragic effect of taking her most remarkable trait as a character and turning her into yet another “independent woman who defies social expectations” female character.
Exactly. Wendy is the feminine little mother. In the book this is even more of an emphasis. Peter Pan should grow up into a husband and father role to partner her wife and mother role, but he chooses Tinker Bell and perpetual adolescence instead.
Looks like they made the whole thing meaningless because they robbed Wendy of her femininity.
I was so excited to watch this movie. Now I won't waste my time, thank you. Peter Pan 2003 will always be top tier. I love your videos, you seem like the type of person where even just grabbing a coffee together will never be boring and you have so much to share/teach others. Appreciate you
Give it a chance, it's not as terrible as everyone is making it out to be.
Peter pan and Wendy is not Peter Pan 2003 or others adaptations for that matter so watch it with an open mind.
@@_Egon so open your brain falls out?
Peter Pan 2003 is the best live action version to me ❤ maybe because I was young when I saw it but it will always be perfect in my eyes. Jeremy Sumpter is still Peter Pan to me 😅😅🥰
Yesssss Peter Pan 2003 is an awesome film 👏👏👏👏👏
who TF is geniunely excited for a DISNEY film nowadays? like, FOR REAL. EVerything they do is a woke regurgitation like they are trying to erase their own history... if you really thought this was going to be good, jokes on you because you just fell from planet earth without knowing how garbage Disney is now
I’m so impressed with your dissection on this film. I’m new to your channel, clearly you understand woke culture perfectly. I really agree with how you said it at the end. When diversity is forced, it’s so obvious and not earned. You can make diverse films without ham fisting diversity in.
The 2003 live action movie was the most faithful to the spirit of the source material, the most visually gorgeous, and very well acted. Particularly by Jason Isaacs, who was the definitive Captain Hook. It's sad that this movie, due to poor marketing, was a box-office failure.
The 2003 version is definitely one of the best Peter Pan movies. It’s almost just like the 1953 one too although made by different companies
Absolutely. If only - and that is what irks me about this film - the boy who played Peter did actually speak with an English accent, which he didn't. I've seen this film several times and it annoys me every time! Also Wendy was very well cast and the music was great. The 6.8 rating on IMDB is well deserved.
Thank you for your sacrifice. I honestly am done with Disney+ for what they're trying to do.
Disney: Remakes everywhere people it'll totally not backfire at all and we'll be swimming in cash!
The thing i love about the original wendy is that she very cute, very girly, shes so poise and i love the ribbons on her dress and hair. Its so cute
Peter Pan was my favorite movie as a little girl. I saw myself in Wendy and crushed on Peter. I'd watch it on repeat so much my parents had to force me to watch something else. The original is just very nostalgic for me and holds a special place in my heart. Seeing it redone didn't bother me, but the way they try to recreate these stories through a certain lens just ruins any sort of Disney 'magic'. We keep getting remakes and live actions of movies that are tried and true. I think we can acknowledge the steretypes in older movies without demonizing every aspect of the source material. I tried watching this with my 9 year old brother and he kept asking why everything felt so different than what he remembers. If you want a live action version that feels genuine and captures the feeling of the original, just watch PJ Hogan's version.
Hogan's Peter Pan was such a nice movie. And so metal, too :P
Every boss I've ever had was a woman. And it was the same dynamic... They would be nice to the male employees but HORRIBLE to their female employees. Why is this? Yeah, women are marginalized and discriminated against... but it's mostly by other women, as far as I can tell. I was not aware men were in power. I must have missed this.