I'm a classical archeologist and egyptologist from a German University and I can, with 100% certainty, tell you, that the mother of Cleopatra VII is unknown, but only so much so, that there are exactly TWO possible mothers to her. Either Cleopatra VI or Cleopatra V. Both very close relatives of her, which was the norm. The Ptolemaic Kings, set to rule over Egypt by Alexander the Great, were very fixated on the purity and therefore legitimacy of their bloodline, which concludes a perfectly documented and heavy incest rate. There is basically zero chance of Cleopatra VII being mixed and being anything else than Macedonian Greek, just like any other Ptolemaian of her ancestry. The ignorance of the people involved in this fanfiction is driving me up the wall. This is down right science denial and re-writing history for your political agenda. And this bothers me even more, taking into consideration, that my country did the exact same under a certain regime. This is not just offensive, it's dangerous. Plain and simple.
In fact if Cleopatra was a "bastard" the romans would have mentioned it and yelled this to everyone because they hated her and wanted to make propaganda against her. Guess what, not a single mention of it. Plus, If she had been a bastard she wouldn't even have a claim to the throne, a woman and illegitimate? Yeah no way she would have been queen or consider for it like she was. Cleopatra V trifena seems to be the best option, since she stops being mentioned in the registers soon after Cleopatra's birth (suggesting she might have died in childbirth). On top of it all, her portraits and scultures depict her as 100% caucasian.
@@LechLecha893 Holocaust denial is illegal in germany. So I would say, even as it is good to acknowledge the fact, we actually have no right to do otherwise.
As a Greek woman myself, who immigrated from Athens Greece to Canada, I cannot say I am on board with race swapping on a documentary. A documentary series is supposed to be like the news, impartial and accurate.
I’m Romanian and Greek but born in Canada. Documentaries are based on actual events and people. It’s really disturbing and disgusting if these people are allowed to do this
"I don't care what they tell you at school", but using "Africa" as a synonym "only for black people" and disregarding the rich diversity of ethnicities, countries, and cultures in Africa is pretty damn racist.
Exactly, it's sooo annoying. I keep reading all these comments :" Oh Egypt is in Africa, therefore it's black. If you're not black that means you're an invader", and this constant talk about why Egyptians don't consider themselves Africans. Yes we know Egypt is an African country (Afroasian to be more specific), but if it's constantly implied that "African" means "black" , then we are not "African" in that sense. They also tend to overlook all the other specifics of Egypt's geographical location, like it's in a crossroads between Africa, Asia and Europe. It's also a Mediterranean country, and that the great Sahara desert constitutes a natural barrier between Egypt and other countries in the South. Edit: All North African countries are not black either.
@@bidoof4938 Nonsense, everyone knows that all of Asia is Mongolian!! 😉 Yes, I'm being sarcastic. It's honestly the same as saying all Native Americans are one people. It's INCREDIBLY offensive.
I am a native north african with white skin and I am so tired of being called a settler & invader on my own land. The mindset of ''Africa = Black'' needs to go, It's 2024. Stop asking Mediterraneans why they look like Mediterraneans.
@@setiset516 I'm wondering, why is a random stranger on the Internet making false claims about my own family history and heritage? I'm really curious about your thought process and why you think I'm lying about my ethnic identity?
You do know that it was one woman who decided to make this series. Not the entire population of the black Africans in America right? Like dude, its jada Pinkett Smith, after what she did to her husband will Smith. Do you really think all of us black americans even support or like that woman at all? Celebrities are upper class black people an they don't speak for the majority of us at the bottom that have to deal with the world hatred and continuous brainwashed racism by white people of European lineage. Now we have you Arabs living on the continent of Africa. On Egypt which is a country on THE CONTINENT OF AFRICA an you all are exposing youre empty racism to an entire race of people that are the descendants of slaves that you're ancestors were the ones that took a big part in making the world deal with colonialism from the slave trade they started. Just stay over there an look into what's being done with the series in full detail before u all go an make more enemies out of people who know full well that you all treat the black african Egyptians with inhumane discrimination an prejudice but try to hide that from the outside world knowing..........chill
There are plenty of black African queens that could have been portrayed in this ''doc'' series like: ▪︎ Yaa Asantewaa (Queen of the Ashanti Empire [Ghana]) ▪︎ Amina of Zaria (Queen of Zaria, Nigeria) ▪︎ Kandake Amanirenas (Queen of the Kingdom of Kush [Sudan]) ▪︎ Nzinga Mbande (Warrior Queen of Angola) ▪︎ Queen Nandi (Queen of the Zulu Kingdom [South Africa]) ▪︎ Queen Asake Temitope Morenike Ogunwusi (Ife Kingdom, Nigeria) But oh no... woke Hollywood had to racebend an ethnic Greek (Macedonian / a.k.a. white) woman, just because of name recognition
Man, how you goin' tell me Julius Caesar wasn't black with a name like Julius? I think Cleopatra's last name was probably Jackson and she looked like Oprah 😡.
The only thing Black Americans haven't claimed as their own are the Chinese. I wasn't racist then, but I'm starting to be now. Most Black Americans are entitled and embraces victimhood so much. Even actual Africans don't claim Black Americans as their own.
The Cleopatra is black thing has been going on for centuries Shakespeare, William Story, and many other historians and writers have stated the same thing. It’s nothing new
Cleopatra's father was Ptolemy XII, but he was illegitimate, his mother is not recorded. Cleopatra became Pharaoh upon his death. There is no definitive record of her mother or Grandmother, even if some historians say her mother was Cleopatra V. Egyptologist Sally-Ann Ashton who worked on the Netflix shows states, "Cleopatra ruled in Egypt long before the Arab settlement in North Africa", if the maternal side of her family were indigenous women, they would've been African, and this should be reflected in contemporary representations of Cleopatra".
It seems weird to try and defend this by saying "we can't say it wasn't somewhere in the mix". It's a weird latitude. It's an odd logic where they make stuff up and the burden of proof is somehow for you to disprove it. You could create a Caesar documentary in which Caesar was a dog wearing a human costume on that logic. Maybe that lady's grandmother said that also. But the claims of being ahistorical also pertain to the cleopatra swordplay stuff. So if they somehow defend the casting choice, they still have the problem of not having a start and end point of fidelity.
@@victorcates9330 Nevertheless, Africa is 80% black and we forget civilisations (Including ancient Egypt) actually started with Black Africans. Cleopatra was certainly Greek on her paternal line, but on maternal side there are lots of holes. The Greeks were incestuous and promiscuous too. Why do you think they never recorded Ptolemy XII’s mother? she may not have been Greek, but more likely Black African.
ALL YOU LIARS, MANY EGYPTIANS HAVE BEEN MIXED. GREEKS MIXED WITH EGYPTIANS OF NUBIAN AND ARAB MIXED. NUBIANS AND ARABS HAVE RULED EGYPTIAN EMPIRE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE GREEK AND ROMANS TOOK OVER, ROMANS MIXED WITH EGYPTIANS AS WELL. CLEOPATRA WAS LIGHTER SKINNED OF GREEK ANCESTRY WAS BORN IN EGYPT, AFRICA. SHE IS AFRICAN
HAHAHAHA as a black man, I laugh every time I see that. I'm also starting to see them rewrite my ancestors' history saying the Bantu came from Israel and we're the 12 lost tribes of Israel. I'm like TF? Mf we don't know shit about hebrews LMAO. I can literally name my entire bloodline down 6 generations and someone is telling me I'm lost? WTF HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
As a black woman even I was scratching my head when I saw Cleopatra being depicted as a black woman and asked myself the question “wasn’t she Greek?” 😂
Yep, she was! Add to that the Egyptians were phenomenally detailed in their art; particularly the wall reliefs. You can tell apart fairly easily a Greek from a Nubian from an indigenous Egyptian, all from skintone. Egyptians were brown, just like the main populace of the Levantine region today. Only geopolitics have changed; genetics have not. It's sad, because there's tons of untold stories that I'd really love to see adapted to screen but which Hollywood is too lazy to put the elbow grease into making--mostly about African historical figures, which... aside from the Woman King, we rarely ever hear about. N'Zinga (I think that's how her name was spelled) was amazing. And I'd never have known a thing about her if not for a channel on youtube. She deserves her own movie.
@@camrondirossi3249 yes I’m African but what piss me off the most is there are so many stories they could talk about Africa , like the Nubian empire ,the Mali empire, Ghana empire ,Zimbabwe empire ,the Zulu empire , the Ethiopian empire and more ,there are honestly many African empires they could talk about , there are even some African sci fi books that I honestly enjoyed yet they never turn into movies , there are also some crazy events that could be perfect for movies , like the first African samurai in Japan ,or the African that led to many victories in Russia or the African king that ruled part of India ,honestly so many great stories yet they only focus one race swapping .
I'm an Egyptian who studied Ancient Egyptian history to become a tour guide. I couldn't waste my time watching this bullshit because the trailer was more than enough, it was actually hilarious because depicting Cleopatra was completely inaccurate (Which is the main character) There are seven princesses with the name Cleopatra sitting on the throne, however, Cleopatra VII is the most famous due to her romance with Julius Caesar and Mark Anthony and she was white/Greek and she ended a dynastic rule of some 5,000 years! Actually, they got everything else wrong in terms of nature, clothes for different classes, wrong hairstyles, wrong accessories...etc. They didn't even specify the dynasty! It's a complete mess, disrespectful to Egyptians, and disrespectful to the entire audience by selling them ugly lies! If you watched Bassem Youssef's interview with Piers, he also mentioned that Egypt is a palette of shades of skin complexions, mainly wheat color. Royal families were white and the working class was dark because of the sun and skin color varies based on their social class as per the depictions on the walls of temples all over Egypt. Men went to war, and Queens ruled the country. They couldn't even get the correct weapons that changed over 30 dynasties. The popular way of killing for women was poison, and..................etc. Just read a few books!!!!
Cleopatra was of Greek origin on her paternal line, but her father, Ptolemy XII, was illegitimate. Duane Rollers biography on Cleopatra suggests that she may have been mixed. Cleopatras grandmother is not recorded and If Cleopatras mother was Cleopatra V this would make Cleopatra 1/4 African. Her grandmother would have been from the Egyptian Royal court.
@@juanawashington9940 The problem and continued legacy of Egyptology is its inherent bias which started with Napoleons failed military campaign of Egypt. Coming to prominence at the height of the slave trade in the 1700’s it denied any connection between black Africa and Egypt. It incorrectly asserted, despite anthological evidence to the contrary, that Egyptians were different to other Africans. This was despite the fact that Egyptians were acknowledged to share many characteristics with Ethiopians.
@@David-hc4xh There indeed was pro-white Colonial bias when Egyptology started, but just as the people and archaeologists of that time were blind to their own bias, don't you think there might be pro-Arab in Egypt and pro-Black biases among European and American Egyptologists of today? Blackness is highly politicized and ingrained in our American culture and core to most Black people's identity itself. So, I'm a bit guarded when facing the Afrocentric/Hotep claims. Basically, I want to avoid over-correcting because Ancient Egypt, which is one of the most beautiful and fascinating civilizations for me 💖
@@David-hc4xh That's why they made gentic analysis of numerous mumies found, included those of kings and nobility. Surprise surprise : the genetic make-up is globally the same as nowaday. And Egypt was not the "only different one". SUBSAHARIANS, the people at the south of Sahara were black, the people north of Sahara and around the mediteranean sea were, just like today, more clear-skinned. And Egypt was not the only kingdom there, just the one that let us more information about it and the most developed (thanks to the Nil.)
They're calling Egyptians racist for complaining about them stealing culture. THEY'RE CALLING EGYPTIANS RACIST FOR COMPLAINING ABOUT THEM STEALING EGYPTIAN CULTURE.... Edit: To remind my point, I'm talking about culture, not 0.33338% of Egyptians having a link to black countries back in 300BC...
But the Egyptians don’t carry any “white guilt” so it’s gonna be fun to see how they will tear this crap down since they have nothing holding them back AND they are using the exact same arguments that the woke use, but the Egyptians actually have a good point.
Historical fact is Alexander the Great was very inclusive of conquered people in his Empire. preferring to assimilate them. today's Egyptians are a multi cultural mixture of those conquered people. Persian, African,Macedonian, Greek who stayed and settled in the Egypt of Alexander. Romams as well. so what is who is a pure blood Egyptian is up for debate. just because your conquered ancestors happened to settle in Egypt. does mean today's Egyptians aren't genetically of African decent.
I read an article on this, where the actress playing Cleopatra was saying that, while Clepoatra was not technically black, she was a woman, and therefore “oppressed” and so because she was oppressed she could be considered “culturally black” is not actually biologically black. That made my head explode. Are these people trying to make “oppressed” synonymous with being black?
Should we tell them that other cultures and races exist? If they said she was greek it would make more sense but no they made her black because they want her to be
Ah, yes, the queen who killed her brother so she could rule alone and whose sisters, who were before her in the succession line, died under mysterious circumstances, who was known as a great politician, ruler and diplomat, was oppressed. Of course. What were we thinking?
I was hurt when I told someone Cleopatra was Greek with blonde hair & green eyes & then they called me racist. I learned about Cleo when I was 15 and read my first book about her. This is when I started to stop trusting the media.
Why would you think that the ancient greeks were blonde? Because of the Troy movie? Similar to Cleopatra, that one took some liberties with the appearance of its actors, it's not an authentic source.
@@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel Blonde and red hair and light eyes also existed in the ancient world. (In particular, blue eyes are a MUCH older mutation than people seem to think they are.) We have, for example, ancient Mesopotamian and Babylonian artwork depicting this. It was less common than more dominant darker coloration, but not out of the realm of possibility for people to have.
Accusing others of 'colonizing' while being a British woman just to add insult. I am absolutely sure that even if Cleopatra herself came back from the dead and told them "Nope, this is nothing like my people and culture were" they would even call her a racist.
@@martinspencer1618 there is black British people aswell as white British ect ect because your nationally can be British while your ethnicity is different.
YOU ARE ALL LIARS, EGYPTIANS ARE MIXED, IN EARLY EGYPT THERE WERE DARK SKINNED PHAROAHS , AND LIGHT SKINED PHAROHS. THEY HAD MANY RACES FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE ROMANS LATER TOOK OVER. ROMANS MIXED WITH EGYPTIANS SO DID ARABS. CLEAOPATRA WAS LIGHTER SKINNED AND BORN IN EGYPT, AFRICA. ALL YOU RACE BAITERS ARE MANIPULTED BY BRITISH TAKE ON EGYTIAN HISTORY. DONT LISTEN TO FAKE EGYPTIAN REPRESENTATIVES WHO ARE GREEK. TRAVEL TO EGYPT AND TAKE TOURS, YOU WILL SEE NUBIANS AND LIGHTER SKINNED EGYPTIANS. SHE WAS BORN IN AFRICA, ONLY FOOLS AND RACISTS STARTED THE BLACK VS WHITE RUBBISH.
@@KemetledAfrica not true. We do acknowledge the darker skinned phenotypes in NA. There are even people groups that are mostly melanated like the Nubians in southern Egypt (who btw don't need to identify their race officially anywhere like in the US which avoids the separation in society). The Nubians for example have their own very unique culture in the south but they move like everyone else and commingle with everyone else and no body has to identify as Nubian vs not. Usually the ones who do do it proudly appreciating and celebrating their heritage and culture and are widely known to be genuinely good people. That's not to say no individuals are racist on both sides and that racial discrimination isn't existent but at least it's not facilitated nor encouraged. To the point that Egypt had 2 presidents of Nubian ancestry long before the US had an African American president. I'm darker in skin tone than many Egyptians and lighter than many others we don't draw lines and judge people by skin tone. Nubians are considered Egyptian just as any other minority whether indigenous or immigrant such as the bedouins, the Arabs, the Turks, the Italians, the Greeks, the Chinese, the Indians, the gypsies, the Americans, the Europeans, etc. The same in NW Africa in the Maghreb region and Mauritania with many darker skinned tribes and moorish people live natively and aren't segregated in society. So no, the situation in North Africa is very different from what you're presenting. When the Egyptian media decided to depict the late president Sadat in a movie to commemorate his life, they chose a similarly skin toned actor Ahmed Zaki and made him look as close as possible to the late president in the movie. Even though it wasn't really a documentary. That's why the people in Egypt are fuming not just because they cast a British-African actress to play Cleopatra claiming the inconclusivity of her mother's identity but they even cast the whole crew representing the Egyptians and even the Ptolemies with darker skinned individuals suggestive of a race swap, even her father who has an even less controversial lineage and ancestry. So it's just that they wanted to rather than it being actually likely.
Growing up in a Greek household Cleopatra was an important figure to my mother. I grew up not only learning about ancient Greek culture but Egyptian as well. This is true cultural appropriation. Racism at its most selfish.
What astounds me most is the ignorance not just of Egyptian history but of African history per se. The creator of the show uses terminology that suggests Africa is a uniform entity that shares a common cultural past. This is as simplistic and puerile as saying, e.g., that all Asians are the same. However, in some senses it's even worse. Biology tells us that there is more genetic variety in Africa than anywhere else on earth, and therefore that there is more difference, at least on a genetic level. People who live and work on the continent know this very well. Those who imagine it from afar, from the comfort of their Bel Air penthouses, do not.
@@davesmith826 exactly! I’m from the Middle East but if we were going by ‘continents’ my country would be classed as being in Asia. Does that make me look like everybody from Asia? no.
@@davesmith826 Exactly , I am Egyptian and we have very diverse skin colours that we have never cared about it , we have never had civil wars for 7000 years ! Nor a "Ghetto" culture , now Americans are stealing the "old world "' 's culture and history in order to compensate for their own lack of culture ! ..As if military invasions wasn't enough ! and I don't care if they had even orange skin ,it is the idea that I am refering is to normalise ignorance and falsfying facts .
Why do people have the simplistic view that all people on the continent of Africa are a single homogeneous race? When it comes to the Asian continent, nobody thinks that Chinese, Indians, Thais, etc., are the same race or ethnicity, and no one would cast an ethnically Chinese actor to play an Indian character.
As an Egyptian I am so FED up with that BS. I totally disagree with the right wing generally but you got a strong point with that subject. African American people are doing exactly what they have been fighting against in the first place : cultural appropriation. This has to stop. This is madness.
It's sad that society at large is so self-focused that we can only see what affects us. This is only a tiny bit of what the left is forcing on people all in the name of divide and concur. Their goal is to put everyone in groups, erasing individuality and ultimately human dignity. For example, if you belong to a particular group, you are not human, you have no rights. If you belong to this particular group, you must act and think a particular way. If you should act in any way different than the group assigned to you, either by skin color or sex, say, then you deserve to be punished in every way because you are no longer human. Anyone who subscribes to the systematic grouping of people is living a lie and it's only a matter of time before they find themselves being attacked for something their group is assigned, regardless if they have no culpability.
Yep, I’m the same I’m really left wing with most things but it’s going over the top and it’s totally Americans doing it too. Anyone with any knowledge about Egypt knows modern day Egyptians are a true to reality presentation of what ancient Egyptians looked like. Like my main comment said I just shouldn’t deal with a queen of England, born in fucking NORFOLK (aka white as fuck) being replaced with a black woman!? There’s no reason for this other than to stoke anger. Plenty of actual black women to celebrate. The outrage is free advertising that’s all it is.
I typed this as a standalone comment but I wanted to say this to you aswell. Most fucked up part is that Egypt had certain dynasties that were Nubians. Especially the 25th Dynasty, or the Napatans of the Third intermediate Period. There literally were Black kings and queens of egypt but they chose the dynasty that were macedonian greeks. Why? Its obvious. They wanted to use the fact that everyone has heard of Cleopatra and a "Documentary" about her would get more traction compared to the Dynasties that most people hadnt heard of. They just wanted the clout and money and actually did not care at all about Educating the people about black history. Hollywood doesnt care as long as people watch it. They are using every movement to further their own careers.
@@cemulku9668 literally all the later ancient egypt dynasties and therefore the most well known ones were all ruled by greeks. They should have gone to the first half of dynasties where granted they inbred a lot, they still had SOME actual dark individuals whom you could pretend were sub saharan due to lack of data. Black americans seriously think they roamed around the entire african continent. No. Dude most of the slave trade were taken from the dry, hot and dreadfully barren (well in ancient times where farming was very difficult) western side of africa where that notorious black stereotype perpetuates.
@@The_Truth- given the fact that the Ptolemaic dynasty were a bunch of inbreds, since they didn't want to share their rule with any other race, yeah, I'd bet the farm that she was 100% Greek Macedonian. All you have to do is research it, ffs.....🙄
Heard no Egyptian say "cast an Egyptian as Cleopatra" Egyptians - "cast a Greek or Macedonian or Southern European" not even Egyptian- because she was not Egyptian either
Not only they swapped race of Cleopatra, but also changed her character into ‘modern feminist-warrior’. Would you please watch it and point out all the lies in it?
Watching it would give the producers a falsehood that it has been successful. Not actually watching it would tell them that they made a poor decision. I feel sorry for the actors who took part in it as their reputations will be tarnished, but these are the breaks when you make something that goes against historical accuracy.
As an African myself I find it funny how Black Americans who've never even been in Africa are the ones telling the story of Africa all in the name of blackness😅
They can. African Americans are our lost children. They are part of us. The issue is that the stories must be accurately told and even if it's a fiction, it shouldn't be too far from the truth.
I mean isn't that what most of the american "black activism" stuff is about? African Americans and their idea of whatever their heritage is. As much as white Americans have a fetish for their heritage (calling themselves "german", "italian", "norwegian", while not speaking a single word of the language), black americans also have a fetish for their heritage. In the end its all about americans. I mean so called "Black History" usually means history of African-Americans, basically claiming that's THE Black history.
@Noob-zi2ce good for you, please teach them about West subsaharan Africa so they can leave us, North Africans alone. And yes, we're indigenous but not black, nothing wrong with it and nothing cool with it either. Africa is diverse the way Asia is, that's all. They already stole the word "moor" (Moroccans), now Egypt. That racist behaviour made me extremely weary of african Americans because of the brain washing they've been through.
As an Egyptian, myself, I feel seriously OFFENDED. All their argument is basically that KEMET (Egypt in ancient Egyptian language) means black land, so the people must have been black! Which is very stupid! Habeeeby, please listen. Black land means fertil land. Egypt is 90% dessert, right? Ancient Egyptians called the desert (deshert) meaning the red land and called the fertil land around the nile (kemet) means black land. Since the nile came with fertil land full of minerals from the middle and east Africa, forming the fertil, black, land used in agriculture. Egyptian civilization and success are all based on agriculture, so they called our country, Kemet, expressing their appreciation for the land that gave them life. It has nothing to do with the Egyptians themselves. Egyptians' portraits from thousands of years ago still exist in its glorious bright colours to this very day, and guess what! They look the same as Egyptians now. Same brown reddish skin and the same features. I feel sorry for their ancestors since they feel so ashamed of them and so desperate to claim others. They are very sad people.
Kemit means black land AND black people. YOU ARE NOT THE REAL EGYPTIAN'S and in the back of all your heads you know it. Those pyramids were built THOUSANDS of years before you GREEKS came . You GREENS actually stripped the pyramids of it's lime stone and destroyed a lot of Egypt. You people just don't want to admit it because you won't have a sense of identity. Slowly swallow that truth pill 💊
YOU ARE ALL LIARS, EGYPTIANS ARE MIXED, IN EARLY EGYPT THERE WERE DARK SKINNED PHAROAHS , AND LIGHT SKINED PHAROHS. THEY HAD MANY RACES FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE ROMANS LATER TOOK OVER. ROMANS MIXED WITH EGYPTIANS SO DID ARABS. CLEAOPATRA WAS LIGHTER SKINNED AND BORN IN EGYPT, AFRICA. ALL YOU RACE BAITERS ARE MANIPULTED BY BRITISH TAKE ON EGYTIAN HISTORY. DONT LISTEN TO FAKE EGYPTIAN REPRESENTATIVES WHO ARE GREEK. TRAVEL TO EGYPT AND TAKE TOURS, YOU WILL SEE NUBIANS AND LIGHTER SKINNED EGYPTIANS. THE BRITISH WORD BLACK TRIGGERS YOU GUYS. THEIR IS NO SUCH THING AS BLACK OR WHITE HUMAN. TECHNICALLY.
Ann Boleyn cast as a black woman, not even from the same continent! Blackwashing is racism, no matter how they try to dress it up. Africa is a continent and is not a homogeneous "Black" land. There are diverse cultures and skin tones and all should be celebrated for their uniqueness. To do otherwise is erasing diversity, not increasing it.
If you note the text, once again there’s a deliberate capitalization error. The words “black” and “white” are common nouns, used as adjectives, describing an implied person(s). Why does it matter? Capitalizing is reserved for proper nouns, words used to indicate a particular person, place or thing. Some people frown on national sovereignty, though some of them also smile on their own divisions. There’s fewer races than nations. Managing large groups, including corporations, is easier than managing smaller groups, including small businesses. Yes, I’m forcing a second example in here, but I believe it works. More directly, postmodernists are continuing to target objective reality. The insistence that people live “their truth” is rather telling. Reading Foucault and Derrida gives insight into the philosophy - an insight most lack, regardless of the damage being done. Educate yourself. Play the student and then the teacher. Be both.
@@cloverflower2820.....when you realize Elon Musk was born and raised on the African continent and suddenly that persons comment might actually come true 100 years from now when Black Americans are under the delusion that all africans in ancient or modern times were black.
As a Greek historian and having extensive studies in Roman Empire history, its a slap on our faces. She was as Greek and as white as I am. In fact, she wasnt even dark skinned. Being the Queen of Egypt, did not change her skin from white to dark.
How THE HECK would we be so sure of her skin color? A « slap in the face »? Oh really, is it that bad? Feeling betrayed? You should check your thinking on race.
@@ngonsaintiHer family was from Macedonia and only reproduced through inbreeding or by banging other Macedonians/Greek for generations. Her dad was the king/pharaoh before her so he most likely got with a cousin or another greek since they didn't care about Egyptians to the point that only Cleopatra learned the language. There are painting, busts and coins made with her facial features clearly being european and not Egyptian or sub-Saharan africa. It's pretty cut and dry she was inbred greek. I doubt Caesar or Antony would be into her if she had any Egyptian or black features since they don't seem like the most accepting people 😂
@SonderDAze X I've heard that professor before when I watched a documentary on gladiators. I should have caught on when she started talking about mostly female gladiators. Which were very, very rare. Professors are lying to students. I'm 56, and when I was in college, this CRAP never happened in history.
@@ngonsainti Because I've been studying Greek history for over 40 yrs. Are you some kind of child? Obviously you don't know history either. Better go to a library and check out a real book instead of believing all this horseshit! Are you woke too? Why would you take offense to what I said unless YOU too are racist?
@@ngonsainti You should stop acting racist, and stop commenting, because you will get Destroyed. Cleopatra was GREEK AND WHITE. You don't like it? Disappear!!!!
They could have made a documentary about Queen Amanirenas who ruled over the Kingdom of Kush (today's Sudan). She was black and managed to halt the Roman Empire's push towards southern Africa right after Egypt's conquest. That would have been a great way to promote a truly interesting historical figure. It shows that this was only about making a quick buck, nothing else.
Or queen Shanakdakhete... or any other of the Kushite Kandake queens... or Kandake as an institution. Some of them were true warrior queens, held their kingdom together in perilous times and even had their own freakin pyramids. But no. It had to be Cleopatra cause someone's grandmother didn't go to school.
It's sad that these afrocentric americans are even erasing the kush and nubian culture and history by saying that they are egyptian, hence egyptian are black. So basically they are trying to erase 2 great civilization by distorting history. The egypt and nubian/kush kingdom
In addition to the obvious, Cleopatra was only 20 when Caesar (aged 52 years) arrived in Egypt. I don't know the age of the actress but she seems rather older than that. Cleopatra, though a remarkable woman, was NOT a warrior. She never went around swinging swords and beating all opponents. This whole thing was pathetically silly and degraded the last Pharaoh with all the absurd claims and bad acting. This was a failure on all levels.
That first clip "I don't care what they tell you in school, Cleopatra was black" gave me goosebumps when I tried to watch the series yesterday. A whole scholar, a Dr, taking her grandmother's word instead of finding academic evidence to back her claim. What a waste.
LOVE the line (paraphrased) "we won't do actual black historic figures. We'll just do the ones WE care about and make them black." There are so many REAL black figures of importance.
The dynasty that unified Egypt were black. You know,.. And those famous pyramids were built by people that left statutes that look very much like black people. Khufru and Khafra are also names that are Nubian in origin it seems. But even then, the north, being at the the Med would have had quite an influx of all kinds of people. The sad thing is that this was made an issue.
@@shaunsteele6926 mansa musa. Dude went on a pilgrimage to Mecca and gave out so much gold along the way he basically devalued gold for the entire region for a good few decades
Actually cultural appropriation was at it worst during the 1800s with the Indians. This, this here is the most sneaky, slimy, vengeful type of cultural appropriation.
They're just embarrassing themselves because it makes it so obvious they're ashamed of their actual heritage. You won't see Egyptians claiming to be Senegalese or Swedes claiming to be Chinese etc. Perhaps it's more to be pitied than censured 🤔...
You'll note that they keep claiming to have expert research, yet don't quote a single piece of it; meanwhile, several lines are dedicated to accusing the Egyptains of being self-loathing for... defending their own history.
The woke are projecting their own flawed 'logic' onto sensible and historically -researched people. They try to convince by abuse, character assassination + lies.
As a Cleopatra Fan, as someone who has studied everything I can about Cleopatra.... Cleopatra wasn't black and this is NOT a Documentary! I've watched a Cleopatra documentary on history channel once. That was a documentary.
@Judith Mirville Pretty much and the worst part is that they pass this thing on as being true. As being factual. I'm sorry but what they did is jus disseminate miss information. Fake news.
That old bitch was also in another documentary about Roman Gladiators. That's my specialty in studying Roman Empire history. Yet she was boasting about female gladiators which did NOT exist except one. I don't remember her name but in history she was maybe mentioned once and was insignificant. Yet this "so called" professor is not only racist, she is a feminist making the whole episode about female gladiators. Females were not allowed to fight knowing the crowd would be totally against it.
It’s not just the casting a black woman but the overly woke “empowered woman” shit again. And I am a woman myself. Depicting her as Xena the warrior princess instead of an actual historical depiction of life at that time, for a figure such as her. It’s so painfully Jada and it’s just all wrong. So wrong. And that woman doesn’t take any criticism. She think she’s the queen of the world. Ugh
Queen Charlotte has also been race swapped in bridgerton although it's a fictional story but it's marketed as a historical drama and seeing as she plays quite the major role in the series you would think that they would have made the effort to cast a real english actress to play the part especially when the character was based of a real life historical figure. There was also another historical drama released in 2021 about Anne Boleyn also played by a black actress that I guess never really got that much attention.
Well, the kind of people people who get really upset about actor skin colors can only rally against so many causes in their free time. There is just not enough time to get upset enough about it all!
The problem isn’t just the documentary it’s the fact we’re letting Jada Smith divide the population and cause controversy just to keep herself in the spotlight.
YOU ARE ALL LIARS, EGYPTIANS ARE MIXED, IN EARLY EGYPT THERE WERE DARK SKINNED PHAROAHS , AND LIGHT SKINED PHAROHS. THEY HAD MANY RACES FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE ROMANS LATER TOOK OVER. ROMANS MIXED WITH EGYPTIANS SO DID ARABS. CLEAOPATRA WAS LIGHTER SKINNED AND BORN IN EGYPT, AFRICA. ALL YOU RACE BAITERS ARE MANIPULTED BY BRITISH TAKE ON EGYTIAN HISTORY. DONT LISTEN TO FAKE EGYPTIAN REPRESENTATIVES WHO ARE GREEK. TRAVEL TO EGYPT AND TAKE TOURS, YOU WILL SEE NUBIANS AND LIGHTER SKINNED EGYPTIANS
@@Nyet-Zdyes The Cleopatra is black thing has been going on for centuries from Shakespeare to William Story. And many other historians have come to that conclusion
don't mess with us Egyptians. Cleopatra was Macedonian Greek born in Egypt. All of us Egyptians know that. All Greeks know that. Macedonians were highly inbred so her mother was most likely also Greek. Let's make a documentary of Martin Luther King with a white actor, and say "hey he's from South Africa what's the problem"
Cleopatra wasn't even purely European to begin with. Greeks back then heavily intermarried with non-Greek cultures and Cleopatra would've been affected also.
@@gloriathomas3245 Cleopatra was in a blood line followed by incest and incest practicing. She came from one of Alexander’s generals and came from a long line of Macedonian-Greeks. She may have not been a white lady, but she was absolutely not black as her Ptolemy blood line shows she was clearly of Macedonian Greek descent. All historical references have never shown her to be a dark black woman.
@@Fist_Of_Khonshu_69 i'm italian and they're also portraying romans as completely eveil even if for the time they were in they were incredibly advanced, even morally, but we know that those woke crowd cnanot contextualize anything unless it's in their favor. Also by offending classical culture those african americans with no history are offending the whole West, given that Greece was the place where western civilization was born.
Its sad that we are fighting over a Queen who ruled in Africa, since this history has always been told through the European lens. This docudrama is a welcome attempt to tell our children this story of an Africa Queen. How that, people with darker skin (non European) were once some of the most powerful people in the world and how it was from Africa that Europe got its power and wealth.
Honestly I'm from the left and I still think this is awful. Like you can't just take their history away like that, it's unacceptable. Also POC and Egyptians give GREAT reasoning behind the fact this is SO twisted. And thank you for speaking out Amala!
I'm Greek and i look far more accurate to Cleopatra than that actress. It's really sad to know that Hollywood sees us Greeks as people that only drink ouzo, eat mousaka and break plates while screaming "Opa". Stereotyping a country, a culture or a lifestyle, in a funny or serious way, is a maze that you need to know your way through it. Same thing goes for every other country that wants good movies, representing them accurately. What they did to the Egyptians, is unfathomable and they have the nerve to sell it as a documentary and true history. My heart goes out for the Egyptian people...We know your real history and that's never gonna change.🧡
Just for the record, going backwards in Cleopatra's lineage...to Alexander the Great. His father was Philip II of Macedonia, and his mother was named Olympias, and his sister was Cleopatra. .All of Greek lineage , following Alexander's successors, the Seleucids , right up to Cleopatra, who was the first non-Egyptian Pharoh to have learned to speak the native Egyptian language, as only Greek was spoken in the royal court..
As a resident of melbourne australia, the largest Greek city outside of Greece, I’d also like to thank your revered and ancient culture for giving us the gift of a drunken 3am souvlaki….. oh and all that other stuff like civilisation etc
AS A GREEK, AND YOU BEING A BLACK WOMAN, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS VIDEO. EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS 100% ACCURATE. GREEK HISTORY HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN SO MANY WAYS TO CIVILIZATION. GROWING UP, I NEVER ONCE SAW ONE GREEK ACTOR BE DEPICTED IN A MOVIE ABOUT ANCIENT GREEKS, OR GREEK HISTORY. YET, ALL WE'VE BEEN HEARING LATELY IS ABOUT HOW REPRESENTATION MATTERS. THE SAME GOES FOR ALL PEOPLE, NOT JUST BLACKS - I SEE PLENTY OF TV SHOWS AND MOVIES WITH BLACK PEOPLE IN IT. THAT SAME EFFORT NEEDS TO BE PUT INTO REPRESENTING ALL MINORITIES.
YOU ARE ALL LIARS, EGYPTIANS ARE MIXED, IN EARLY EGYPT THERE WERE DARK SKINNED PHAROAHS , AND LIGHT SKINED PHAROHS. THEY HAD MANY RACES FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE ROMANS LATER TOOK OVER. ROMANS MIXED WITH EGYPTIANS SO DID ARABS. CLEAOPATRA WAS LIGHTER SKINNED AND BORN IN EGYPT, AFRICA. ALL YOU RACE BAITERS ARE MANIPULTED BY BRITISH TAKE ON EGYTIAN HISTORY. DONT LISTEN TO FAKE EGYPTIAN REPRESENTATIVES WHO ARE GREEK. TRAVEL TO EGYPT AND TAKE TOURS, YOU WILL SEE NUBIANS AND LIGHTER SKINNED EGYPTIANS
As an Egyptian, we have been treated and accused of being “Arab” invaders for having a lighter skin color than the rest of Africa since the start of the Afrocentric movement.. disregard the geographical difference, all the scientific facts and DNA evidences that proves the truth that Egyptians were and always are a mixture of ethnic groups with different features.
Same here brother, Berbers have been accused of being Roman invaders and Europeans who drove out the "original Black People" when there is evidence we existed in Africa since 3000 BC and no one was there before us, we cant deny the fact that there are some arabs like Banu Hilal between us, but we are all very diverse and just because were light in tone doesnt mean we are not african
@@thetrollfather9848 unfortunately African Americans are being dragged into a political agenda of alienating North Africans from the rest of Africa. Some are so desperate to find glory in their past to the point of hijacking others leagues and claim it as their own.
Exactly, their biggest issue is themselves and their refusal to lower the pride/ego and strive to improve. They are standing in their own way, and it’s hurting everyone.
Not it doesn't...this is just a movie and it has no effect whatsoever on the black community or their lives. Do you think it's everyone that has time to watch this film. Look for something else to be mad about. And besides Egyptians aren't white either.
@@RK-hj8du, Now I have to be black to form opinions about other Americans? Gotcha 😂, that is racist behavior. Homicides by black Americans are the highest in this country by ratio than any other ethnicity, and it’s not even close. But the black community won’t own it. Only a few blacks speak out against this tragedy, but you call them uncle toms and such. I will never be silent about this. If you can’t answer the tough questions, don’t get in the ring.
@@patrick7142 , it’s labeled a documentary and yes and it black washes history. History is something important to me, but apparently not you. Black Anne Boleyn, Cleopatra, Vikings 😂🤣😂 and there is more examples of historical shenanigans. You can only cry wolf so much.
To be honest, if Netflix made their own Napoleon movie staring Kevin Hart, I would probably watch it but still would be annoyed if they labeled it a documentary.
Thank you for saying that! As a greek I am really pissed to see the entertainment industry do stuff like that to our history and myths. This is cultural appropriation. No Cleopatra was not black, she had greek origins (even her name is greek). And don't forget that Greece had colonies there from ancient times ( up to recently Egypt had many greeks living there). It is so annoying to be erased from your own history.
She was Macedonian, not Greek. Contemporary Greek were quite adamant in that. And as Cleo had some local input, she might have been blackish if it weren't for the many sources we have on the topic. She had quite the zinc cutter nose, so looked pretty Greek in that regard. Sorry man,.. Alex and his crew were not Greek.
@@matiusbond6052 then why isn't Greek architecture same as Egyptian? Why did Greece produce Plato, Pythagoras, Socrates Aesop? Euclid, ? It's a south eastern Europe language
@@chubbymoth5810 wasn't Greek but started a centuries long era know as hellinistic 😂😂😂😂😂 are you serious mate? Macedon literally means northern doric And doric people was one of the Greek ethnic groups Their royal family was literally called the people of Argos 😂😂😂you know who else believed your nonsense? The nazis, well done They was speculating those nonsense to excuse the genocide of Greek people during ww3 that lead to 10% population loss
Thank you for speaking about this. As a Greek I was very sad,not just angry but sad because they’re trying to change history with what they believe and then also turn the narrative on us and say we’re racist and all that. It’s a chaos
Is it any wonder that quackademic black history curriculum has led to ”Herstory.” That their cry’s of “Cultural appropriation” are the very essence of what they themselves perpetuate? Stunning hypocrisy.
They tried to steal Greek history, but it didn't work. Cleopatra was proud of being Greek. . We should honor how she viewed herself There are great black African civilizations in Ghana, Mali, Zimbabwe, Ethiopia.
"My mother told me, I don't care what they tell you in school... Cleopatra was black!"... apparently her mother went to college with Cleopatra... She knows all about her...
As an Asian, I find it sad that with so much resources they didn’t fund movies or a series on Shaka the Zulu or other historical figures from Africa. The insistence to swap a well known non-black character into a black woman would be disheartening to say the least, it’s as if Africa’s actual history or stories isn’t good enough for the big screen. I believe that Africa has so much to offer, yet it’s just swept under the rug, and sadly, it’s not the supposedly “white supremists” that are responsible here.
Americans have all the riches in entertainment industry and no talent or even awareness whatsoever to produce anything other than their own smelly political farts these days. Dark times we live in. Korean doramas and Scandinavian thrillers are still good though.
Egyptian Young Nubian Woman Interview ruclips.net/video/mScYBkYa8cA/видео.html Scientists finds out the ancient Egyptian pharaohs were Black Africans ruclips.net/video/ZTyeYgc2VyM/видео.html
@@planetdisco4821 Thanks! What I mean is that with the immense resources presumably at their disposal, I really wouldn’t mind seeing a refined version even if it had been done before. So much time and energy could have been put to better use.
As an Egyptian and I am so glad the entire internet gave those clowns the reality check they desperately needed. EDIT: Just wanna add something for the clowns who claim us modern Egyptians are occupiers that have nothing to do with ancient Egyptians. Modern Egyptians are only 17% Arab according to their DNA, with the rest of modern Egyptians' genetic makeup being 68% North African, 4% Jewish, 3% East African, 3% from Asia Minor and another 3% South European. Based on DNA sequencing of Ancient Egyptian mummies. Source: National Geographic Genographic Project. Another thing to know is we do have a black minority called the Nubians residing in southern Egypt. Egyptians have a huge variety of skin colors. We're not exclusively white or black.
you DNA BULL CRAP only confirms you as a liar,NO WAY IN HELL TRUE BLACK EGYPTIANS AND INVADING ARABS HAVE SAME DNA,SO CUT THE CRAP. ALSO THE TRUE BLACK EGYPTIANS DONT EVEN ASSOCIATE WITH,YOU , GO FLY A KITE
I doubt anyone will see this comment, but I just wanna say thank you for talking about this. I'm Coptic, which for those reading and may not know is an ethno-religious group of indigenous Egyptians. What upset me the most was the comment from the actress. Her ignorance shows how dangerous it is when we don't educate ourselves on people's history. Not only was Cleopatra Macedonian, but her portrayal and her ENTIRE court as Black perpetuates the myth that Egypt is historically Black and in doing so, strips away the identity, culture, and history of an entire population. It is well known that historically, Egypt and areas of North Africa were not Black. There is a common argument that Egyptians are their current skin color because of colonization. No, just no. DNA sequencing proves that is not the case. In fact, when I took a DNA test on 23andme, it didn't just come back as Egyptian, it came back as "97% COPTIC"!!!! That's because studies have been done, primarily in Upper Egypt where a majority of Copts reside, and Copts actually have DNA markers not present in Arabs. Indigenous Egyptians were various skin tones and Copts are proof of that as they have largely historically married within their communities to preserve their Christian religion from Arab invasion from about the 8th century onwards. To wash away and conceal the history of indigenous Egyptians by attempting to re-write history using an Afrocentric narrative is in fact "Black-washing."
I am mixed-race (Sa'idi Egyptian father and British mother), and what has shocked me more than anything is when we are compared to monkeys, called neanderthals and cavemen, along with Arab invaders (if you haven't seen the Facebook groups, I seriously suggest you don't look!). If someone had told me that black people could be racist, I'd have never believed it until all this afrocentric rubbish. Afrocentric black Americans seem to be obsessed with skin colour.
If Jada actually cares about her black queens history she would've done a documentary on Nandi, Nefertiti, Yaa Asanteewa, and other African queens. But no, she chose to claim other nation's history and change it. I believe Jada is fascinated by the global icon and sees herself as Cleopatra. If it was up to her she would play the role herself. She projects herself onto that character through this actress.
Wrong! QUEEN NEFERTITI was NOT A "BLACK" WOMAN ....and KEMET / THE BLACK LAND refers to the BLACK MUDDY water-clogged banks of the River Nile when the annual flooding of the entire length of the River overflows onto the sandy banks and forms THICK BLACK MUD all along on either side of the 1000mile River ...this mineral-rich MUD fertilises all the food crops of the farmers who produce NUTRITIOUS WHEAT/BARLEY/DATES/OLIVES/ FRUITS/ VEGETABLES and healthy FEED for the Cattle/Sheep/Goats....THE LAND OF EGYPT has beem BLESSED BY THE GODS and throughout its history it has not suffered from FAMINE!
That’s true. I just thought it was funny how much they hyped her up as a total badass as she desperately tries to hold onto power while steadily losing everything, even her life 😅
Egyptians have been in all of recorded time a conglomeration of different races. If you've ever been to NYC then that's what you should think of based on the hieroglyphics in Egypt and all the historical writings from different cultures. Northern Africa has been a conglomeration of different races and people marrying or interbreeding. Nowhere in Northern African history will you find there were so-called black or Sub Saharan people that were dominant. People act like it's a long trip from Europe across the Mediterranean to Northern Africa. Europeans and Arabs along with Northern Africans have been interbreeding since recorded history. One thing that is absolutely certain is Cleopatra and her ancestors were keeping it in the family when it came to keeping the Royal bloodline pure. These people would go so far as to marry immediate family members like brothers and sisters or even aunts, uncles and first cousins. It's just like the European royalty was doing the same thing and interbreeding so much that it began to create genetic health problems. There's no getting around the fact that all the Cleopatra's were Greek. She wasn't what we would consider biracial of black and white. History tells us this is true and DNA especially lets us be certain
What the actress playing her fails to understand is that historically, Cleopatra came from a long line of inbreeding. Back then, they thought that marrying into each other (and as a result having children) would "keep the bloodline pure." So the idea of her being mixed race or anything but Macedonian would be nearly impossible.
The issue is that they make the claim that she might have been mixed-race because there are two blank spots on Cleopatra's family tree, namely her mother and grandmother. Neither names were listed, but it's fairly certain that her mother was the Queen married to her father. If not, then she wouldn't have been able to inherit the throne. Grandmother is a bit more tricky. Her name was left blank because she might have been a concubine, rather than the Queen. That's the point where people are trying to say that she could have been of mixed race. It's entirely possible, but that doesn't change the depictions found in the historical and archeological records. It doesn't erase the decidedly European features seen in pictures, on statues, frescos, etc. They're seeking to shoehorn in something that was never there. It's ridiculous.
@@Ennaitak oh, they were most assuredly related. As for her grandmother, while she most likely came from a concubine, she was most likely Macedonian given their affinity for all things from Macedon.
Cleo's great - great granddad Ptolemy V Epiphanes Eucharistos ("God Manifest") _did_ marry a Seleucid princess (Cleopatra I) who had some Persian ancestry, but as far as actual African roots, there is as yet no concrete evidence.
@@engmed4400 ever her grandmother being mixed face or fully black, and Cleopatra's mom being white or mixed race or black and so is the father...I don't think Cleopatra is that dark.
I'm Egyptian and let me tell you their whole argument of cleopatra and Egyptians being black centers around 2 things: 1) Egypt is in Africa 2) It was called kemet which translates to black land Yeah that's it that's their whole argument I can't imagine how shocked they will be when they find out people living in Greenland don't have green skin and Indians and Koreans don't look the same despite both living in Asia
@Hisnamesake7 i mean, because the root of the word is "black soil/dirt/sand" refers to the color of the fertilize soil/dirt around nile river, not the color of the people live on it. so the meanign closer to black soil, not the land of black people.
In another video earlier, I made a comment stating how I'm glad that people from Egypt and outside united against this project and gave it the proper response because if this 'documentary' succeeds, it will give the producers behind it more space to change other historical facts in Africa, and they might even reach the American continent to claim that black people are the native inhabitants. And some person literally replied to me with a long essay explaining how black people are the real Americans and how the native Americans that we know took the land later. Their ideology doesn't stop anywhere. These people literally believe that they're the natives of the planet, and we're all outsiders.
Black nationalists, no different from the white nationalist KKK or Nazi's in anyway apart from skin colour. It all stems from a deep insecurity within the person and ignorance. Both are a deadly mixture, left to grow this black nationalist propaganda will not end well
At the root of all these problems is nativism: the idea that land belongs to specific cultural or ethnic groups because of their historical connections to it. European nativists claim Europe should be populated by whites only, forgetting in the process that Asians and black people of various kinds have lived in and mingled with other groups there for millennia. African nativists, including where I live in South Africa, claim they own the land because their tribe colonised it at some point in the past, forgetting in the process that the original inhabitants of what is now South Africa were the Khoi and San, who were themselves pushed out by other African tribes before Europeans arrived and pushed Africans out. Moral of the story: land has been fought over and colonised for as long as humans in their modern sense have walked the earth. It does not belong to any specific ethnic or racial group. It belongs to people who have the right (conferred through citizenship e.g.) to it. Where that right has been compromised, as in, for example, Palestine, a group is entitled to land. However, this is not because the group has a specific ethnic or religious character. It is because it has been displaced from its land. That is a sensible way for conferring ownership. The fantasy propounded by nativists the world over - that we can parcel up the globe according to skin tone - is some kind of perverse racialist fairytale.
I to have seen/heard these theories. It is a strange rewriting of history. I got the weird suspicion that these theories were taught through parents and teachers. Creating two groups of people with different beliefs on the basis of history.
It's been the same thing about "Chernobyl" series where some people were mad cause there were only white characters there. The first thing that came to my mind was a question to those people who were mad. And the question is - do you even know where Chernobyl is located? Cause it kinda matters. The other thing is - how does hollywood and the Black community (the part of it that makes those kind of movies) expect for other people to get to know their culture and history if what they do is use other characters to make movies about? The third thing is that I'm getting really tired of being sh!tted on just because I'm white. All day, all night, wherever I look and listen there are people trying to make me feel bad or feel guilty for what other people did which I didn't have anything to do with AND while doing so also forget that there were and are "bad people" all over the world. White people didn't "invent" slavery and sure as hell were not the only ones who were using them for work. The historical ignorance of some people is just mind blowing. A lot of people had it rough throughout history, for instance my country was taken apart 3 times by neighboring countries, at one point it was wiped from the world map for over 120 years, then it was completely destroyed in WW2 (as well as hundreds of thousands of people were taken into forced labor camps as slaves where a lot of them died, not to mention concentration camps with gas chambers or mass executions in the cities, forests) and right after the war was over, there was over 40 years of communists stealing from it, leaving the country in ruin. And to be honest, all that talk about so called "white privilege" is making me sick. I didn't get anything for free in my life, all I have I had to work my a$$ for. I was working sh!tty, low wage jobs for years, had to put up with people and companies that not only didn't care about me but did their best to scr** me over every chance they had. But I didn't give up, cause I knew that I can do better and that I can be better and it's either that or... Well, you can imagine what was the other option. It took me 15 years (not counting all the schools I've been in, and there were a lot of them) to get to the point I am at right now and - this may shock a lot of people - I still don't own a Porsche, a yacht and a mansion with 2 pools. Guess I'm not white enough. And I am a white guy living in country where 98% of people are white, nobody gives a damn about my skin color, it doesn't mean anything, you either make it or not. Every race, every nation, every country has it's history, let's remember it for the bad things as well as for the good things and learn from it instead of trying to change it to something that did not happen.
So we had an black actor who played a character who was supposed to be a white king. Say (and I'm not a royalist." That royal family was terribly white & she wonders what the nuances are for the younger audience. Translation, I worry people will see white people in power & I don't like that because I'm racist.
"insert Tallahassee wipe tears away with 100$ bills." we all can't be that privileged to afford a mansion or a boat... or a house... but we can afford to be kind to each other and see each others differences as a unique thing and our similarities that show we are one in the same at the end of the day. Cheers and hope you have a wonderful evening/weekend.
Just wow, did someone really get upset because a move about basically a small town in Ukraine/Soviet Union at the time was all white??????? People are nuts.
I am Asian, but have unsubscribed Netflix due to too much wokeness and content manipulation. Blackwashing Queen Cleopatra is the end of the line for me. I make my dollar count.
Lol didn't u white appropriates others culture too. How many times white people played other races in Hollywood? U played native Indians, u played Asians, played even black Remember Angelina Jolie? Gtfoh
@@SangNguyen-ql3qm never subscribed myself, wanted to in the beginning, but with time they started to decline and show their agenda, so thank God i never did, as you said we make our money count.
This is the same when Korean claims tofu was invented by their ancestors instead of Chinese. Also, Confucius was Korean rather than Chinese. Stealing others' culture is a biggest joke. That shows no confidence of selfness.
3:50 “We, as Egyptians, are being called intruders and invaders in our own cultural.” That sums it up, and it’s really sad to see them being erased and villainized for wanting to be seen and accepted, especially in a program that claims to document their own history.
@@EutNehbethawetRuSat I was there for 3 weeks last year and this guy with pan African clothes on threatened my dad to “take it outside” for accidentally bumping into him on the airplane. Sooo much pent up hostility over a fake ideology. They literally talk about how we’re demons who stole their land and then call us anti Black for not being ok with it? Wtf.
@@code-52 What i said was " Not really, they been portryaing jesus as a white dude for centuries now and no one gave a fuck so why get outraged over this. this is nothingn new, you are just late to the party, buddy"
100% spot-on with when she said "why can't you just celebrate actual black people in history" because there's so many "true black" stories you could choose from. Heck--you can MAKE UP YOUR OWN STORY, shocking I know--and have it center around a community of black people in a historical setting, a fantasy setting, a sci-fi setting, etc and have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEMS. What's so wrong with having something black and UNIQUE or original? Why do these kinds of directors and people think that they have to adopt or "put on" some non-black idea/figure to show or explain how they can be powerful?
Here's the unspoken answer: White people have all of the money, producers will go along with whatever they feel like indulging in. For decades White people played actors of colour as they could, then now White executives are pushing the opposite by placing minorities in historically White roles. Until people of colour FINANCE and PRODUCE their own movies, White producers can create any reality they want.
@kkkrevolution3307 In America, there's a hyper-focus on American slave practices toward people who were considered black. Schools, news, other media. It's so focused on that many people either don't remember or are never told about anything else on the topic. It's a sad situation over here.
@ojizarco zurdo there are so many great African history they could have talked about like the mali empire , the Ghana empire ,the Zulu empire ,the Zimbabwe empire,the Nubian kingdom and the Ethiopian empire ,so many great events happened yet they only focusing on their narrative .
I agree. It's totally weird that everything is getting race swapped for black actors and anyone who notices gets the racist talk. In the Little Mermaid there was already a black Mermaid named Gabriella. Why not write a new story? Oh wait, I know why, because it's Disney and they can't create anything good anymore since they became groomers.
??? I could understand your point of view about a documentary. But the fact that you used the " Little Mermaid" which is a child fairy tale to try and compare it against this....😳
This video and your words are giving me joy. I'm happy to see another black person speaking facts instead of woke bs and someone who is not immediately going for the victim role and pulling the racism card. You're honest and realistic and that's why i respect you!
As a European who was taught Ancient Egyptian, Greek, Roman and then Western European history in school, I have heard enough about Cleopatra to last a life time. I would love if a series on African Queens actually brought some real black history into the main stream. I am a bit troubled by the trend of just rewriting well known historical figures and events according to modern ideologies rather than looking into the bits of history we do not know too much about.
It is laziness. They don't know. They wanted to choose a very high profile queen they were familiar with. They were indoctrinated with everyone in Africa in ancient times was black and since Cleopatra's mother wasn't clearly identitfied, but probably Cleopatra V, they assumed her dad in a heavily Greek city got with an Egyptian. Highly unlikely. And that would make her black, though Egyptians had a lot West Asian and North African ancestry especially in the North. I would love real black African stories, not this. It causes cultural divisions and clashes.
As a kid, I had a couple of stories/history books about the African Kingdoms. I remember they had a few very famous Black Queens. I think one was in Ethiopia. It was one of the biggest empires in the region. Not 100% sure, if she was "Black", but definitely darker than Cleopatra. And they had other Black African Queens/Emperors. It's not like only Cleopatra & the rest of the Egyptian Women Pharaohs.
They cut short on what grandma was saying. Her next sentence was if you don't have something, just steal it. They followed that advice with the department stores too.
@@imthestighonest3437 british tv has been doing that for years though. Guinevere in merlin was played by a non-white woman. The difference though is they dont perpetuate it as accurate or even any bit of sense. British just dont care. And its more because blacks also just dont care there. If someone gets white washed, they give zero Fs. If someone gets a tanned makeover, they dont even blink. It takes a lot to get the brits up from their seats to be VERY angry. You would need to make up lies about their most popular queen and get caught on the lies less than a day after it airs on oprah😂. Anything less is not important enough to raise their ire, except for microwaving tea. That gets you banishment
They remind me of these so-called experts in China who rewrite history with China being the source of every discovery, knowledge, and advancement of civilisation. They also claim that other countries are jealous and trying to steal the glory of China.
I am very much not on board with race swapping our historical characters. Even in a fictional aspect, it's simply dishonoring and disrespectful to not portray the person's culture and descent properly.
That and it serves as a pretty covienent excuse to not look up actual black historical characters (IE the writers are lazy). And don't tell me some dumb petty bullshit like "Africa has never had epic badass conquering kings, queens, heroes and villians..." that continent has had 200,000 years of humans in it. Many epic people with epic deeds have risen and fallen. Were is my series about Shango? The badass Warrior Emporer with 3 wives, who was later posthumously diefied as a god of thunder? Shaka Zulu, a king and tactician so brilliant he was able to reorganize his army so well they were able repel the British Empire for the time being? Hell a half assed glance at the politics of Shaka Zulu and his dynasty make even the greatest episodes of Game of Thrones look like amateur hour. But no, instead we get writers too freaking lazy to research or (in the case of The Woman King) writers too friggin cowardly to depict events as they were. Historical dramas are great education and inspiration. If only writers had the balls to depict history as it was. 1 part horror. 1 part glory.
@@francescamazzonelli1670 Giving "the little mermaid" a happy ending in the disney version is much worse! I love the original, where the prince marries someone else and the little mermaid dies of a broken heart but gets the chance to get an immortal soul.
Its the same issue I have with Disney. Why is it so hard to do the research and find an actual African legend or historical figure and make movies based on that? THAT is actual representation. Princess Tiana was representation. Anyone who thinks for themselves will see that this is pandering.
I agree I think that more diversity would be better if Disney would actually do their research on different cultures and portray those stories in stead of just changing an old story to fit todays agenda or to just gain quick money from people. If they actually did a story on an African story I would love to watch that! And guess what!!! Representation! Like how do you not get it. Just do new stories/movies based on the actual cultures/folklore and you’ll have diversity easily!!! And kids will get to see that and be like wow that character looks like me! And stuff. But no… they want whatever gives them a quick buck and puts them in “the good side” of the far left, and their political agenda. They don’t actually care about representation of diversity at all. They only want our money which is why I stopped watching the newer stuff Disney has put out and their live actions.
I used to manage an antiquarian metaphysical store in my early 20s and my area of knowledge was gods/goddesses and mythology. The African continent and Diaspora literally heaves with characters and spirits. Aido Wedo, Mama Wata, La Sirena, Yemaja are arguably the best known (the maternal water deity) not to mention all the smaller river/lake goddesses/entities across the many cultures of the African continent. There is literally no reason to revise and wash over the many European cultures and storytelling in your own image when Africa is rich with its own storytelling history. It comes down to commodification and intellectual/creative laziness, period.
@@baz3575 yes!!! And I would love to watch something about the myths/folklore of Africa and of other countries. I mean think about how the fairytales we all know of came about to this day. Someone went and studied folklore and came up with a new story for the fairytale and those fairytales have been adapted or redbone in many ways. But you can do the same with other folklore and myths or even just makeup your own world or something and have diversity in it. Like actually be creative for once, instead of being lazy and just rewriting or changing an old story and just be like, “oh we need more representation, let’s race swap.” Cause that is just stupid and lazy writing and creativity on their part.
Well, it's probably because so many lies were told that many people don't know a lot about carbonated (black) women & men in history, especially when colonialism has rewritten history and other race groups helped. We're finding out a lot of truths in this age and time that were covered, though many truths were erased from history and replaced smh. So many lies were told and you expect people to take the "truths" that came from those same people as facts?? Trust has to be earned and includes revealing all of the truths hidden or nearly erased. But I do agree that just because whyte people whitewash history, characters, etc...doesn't mean my people has to do the same (specifically on this topic). I'd actually prefer we make our own characters (which I'm doing), especially when it's narrated by us, which will usually have a better representation (though there's still carbonated brown people (or black as y'all call us) that like to continue negative stereotypes in media that were created from other races which can be detrimental smh). Since my people have been all over the Earth for millenniums, we definitely have enough history to create from on our own just have to dig it up with existential research on our past that wasn't told by colonialists (which is obvious since why would they paint us in a good light lol), and was hidden or nearly erased (though unfortunately a lot of that history is completely erased/destroyed/etc...). It takes a lot of resources and unification, though we don't have a lot of unity, it can be done, and if rich & wealthy carbonated "brown" (black) people helped fund these things, we'd be able to accomplish this goal. Obviously the poor or financially unstable people of my race can't help as much but they could still find other ways to contribute. So I can understand your point indeed.
Agree! Also Its not just about casting Cleopatra black, there is wrong depiction in other ways too. She's also shown as a warrior!, which is certainly not true. Cleopatra was well educated, intelligent had a strong personality,(although not a great beauty )a astute politician & could speak about 6 languages including Egyptian!, but no they have to add some feminist stuff there as well in addition to race swap! I also wonder how many Kushite queens were true warriors!! History has been corrupted so much in this present day, its hard to know how much of its fact & how of its "re- imagined" now!
@@LynC304 They think if a woman isn't violent, then she's worthless. Liv Tyler had issue with Arwen being Xenafied and was happy when her Helm's Deep fight was cut, commenting that the writers, who were two-thirds female, had realized a character could be feminine without being a warrior. Although Kushite warrior queens escape memory, RUclipsr Metatron recently did a video in response to Netflix Cleopatra about the Kandake, a Sub-Saharan tribe that often had their queens with equal power to the kings and were depicted as warriors in Egyptian art. There was apparently a particular one-eyed warrior Kandake queen, Amanirenas, who defeated the Roman forces of Emperor Augustus I around Egypt, even taking a bronze bust of August which the Romans never recovered and then was kept under the steps of a Kandake temple, and when she made demands to the Roman Emperor, he met all those demands! So not only was this Kandake queen everything these sorry filmmakers claim they wanted in an African queen, she actually succeeded where Cleopatra failed and defeated the Romans. But these "documentary" filmmakers didn't think Sub-Saharan women were of importance so they took one of the whitest queens of Egypts because she had a big name and they wanted her notoriety, rather than bring attention to more obscure figures who have gone unnoticed by history, which they claimed this documentary series to be about, whilst Metatron did in around ten minutes. Edit: My mistake. It appears Kandake weren't the people, but the title given to Queen Amanirenas, the Kushite queen, who kept fighting Rome after her husband died. Sort of an African Boudica who ultimately achieved victory where Cleopatra and Boudica didn't. So it was the Kushites of modern Sudan who trounced Agustus' Roman forces.
You already had "the king slayer" as a egyptian god and im sure you loved every sek😅😂😂. If it wasnt for black people folks like you would think that europeans are natives to america, austraila, south africa. You probably belive that the ancient egyptians was caucasian or arab. Well im here to inform you that archelologists found ancient mummies from early dynasties in egypt and the kings had Nubian features. But i know, people like you will close your eyes and ears to this fact and continue the whitewashing of ancient egypt while pointing your finger at black people for "blackwashing", the irony is priceless. Have you ever sat down and wonder why the ancient egyptians never escaped to the middle east or to europe when populations invaded? Why? Ask yourself why they went further into africa and built more pyramids-- why not go back home to europe or middle east to their "brothers and sistets" it shouldnt have been a problem right?! You folks talk about "washing this washing that" when yall tried to whitewash ancient Zimbabwe, Ancient Mali, Kush, Egypt-- you folks have tried to claim african history like crazy you even got our artifacts in your museums gaing money out of african history and now yall wanna open your moth about "blackwashing". Not 1 drip of shame
The fact she slept with several white dudes for money and power and still lost her whole kingdom to them doesn't make her a great role model either. There are some great african and black queens who deserves a documentary way more but don`t get the popularity.
Imagine if one day white americans started claiming south italian ancient history and told them "you are not really pale lake us, you must have come from Africa, those ancient greek cities you have are not your heritage, it's ours because it's the european heritage", and then proceed to make a "docuseries" about Pitagoras casting a tall swedish blonde actor. That's the level of ridicolous
That's not gonna happen, because today's logic says you can't let a white/asian person portray a black person LMAO even if the movie is not meant to be historically accurate. They're gonna be like "ewwwww ur racisssttttt white supremacissstttt"
Nah, you know how they are. Black people want everything good and nothing bad. Just like feminists. That's why they're grouped together in the "woke" movement. Dark-skinned people have always clung to fair-skinned culture. You know it. Korean, Japanese, European, American.
I’d love to see their defense of casting Jarl Haakon as a Black Woman lol..they did it though (and labeled it as historically accurate) and there wasn’t nearly as much backlash as there is for Cleopatra.
As all whites are. Didn't you get the memo? We cant be 'indigenous'. To LITERALLY anywhere on this planet. Its cuz we're from Mars. And our messiah, Elon is going to take us home. Just as soon as Starship can get off the launch pad without exploding.
seriously though. Ancient Aliens have far more credible sources, ideas and theories than this. Plus they're far more plausible than Cleopatra being black.
Honestly I feel like the black community deserves better than just race swapping characters. This isnt representation, real representation would be creating their own black characters for them and thats what I'd rather see.
This!!! so many shows and movies nowadays opt to race-swap an already existing character and called it a day. Like i’m sorry, that’s not representation that’s just lazy and kinda disrespectful.
exactly. or they could make a documentary about any number of actually black african queens. like idk amina of zaria was black. queen nandi of the zulu kingdom was black. make documentaries about them. shed light on actual black history
The audacity of these spoiled and ignorant people. They’ve become more emboldened by the things they can get away with here in America that now they’re trying to spread their propaganda to other countries. They’ve hurt the Egyptians and are basically threatening their culture and identity. How incredibly disgusting! I stand with the Egyptians on this. This is not okay. And the fact that they haven’t apologized to them makes this even more disgraceful.
I am Egyptian and we are truly disgusted and sad about this ...As if invading on military level wasn't enough ,now they are stealing our own life and history .
People just need to learn that African countries have both people with white and black skin tone... urhhh I'm sick of it. Most blacks doing this don't even know or have grown up in Africa.
As an indigenous North-African (an Amazigh woman) i'm getting sick and tired of the black washing AND white washing of our very rich history, mind you we are one of the oldest civilisations with one of the oldest languages still spoken to this day (the Amazigh language which also comes in different dialects/versions depending on the region and country) to then have people who have never even set foot on the continent (mostly african americans do this) and claim any and everything that is North-African is sad. I literally feel second hand embarrasment for them (the ones that actually do this)... You literally have your own history, you might not like it but it is YOURS it is what it is. Accept that! Accept that instead of highjacking that which you have nothing to do with what so ever...
so then you KNOW, after conquest upon conquest. Noth Africa,over the centuries of assimilated Persian,Macedonian, Greek, Roman, Indian people, religion,language. what that result is? Alexander especially welcomed and assimilated those conquered people into his armies. matched them into Egypt. after Alexander died many stayed and made lives,married, had children. those children's descendants who are the Egyptians of today. so I get your using language as a example of historical heritage. no BLACK WASHING GOING ON. a Macedonian general was Cleopatra's father, but who was her mother? go find out the complete truth of North Africa and Africa as a whole and its exploitation by many conquerors over the centuries. on the African continent who are the only purely genetic descendants of ancient Kemite-Egyptians alive today?
@@michaeledens3566 stop trying to think you know OUR history better than we do, I have WAY MORE MORE MORE North-African dna than you do I know my history I know my roots I know where I come from and what people I come from. I would never dare try to teach people about their own history and identity. The absolute nerve, shamelessness and disgusting entitlement some Americans have is appalling! Keep in the states, here in Africa we have no need for it.
@@frilledgyaru291 Exactly, as painful as your history is y’all made damn sure a lot of beauty sprouted out of that collective pain. The way y’all have influenced the world with music, poetry, movies, sports, fashion, lingo even… I mean my god…?! I can’t imagine my life without black American artist’s music, movies, comedians, I could go on… as much as the world has hurt y’all y’all still managed to give to the world and still do. I’m in awe of soooo many African American historical figures, from Angela Davis, to maya Angelou (well they’re not historical but you catch my drift 😅) denzel is my life, Eldridge and Kathleen cleaver, the whole black panther movement, and there’s many more so I don’t mean just people that are in the arts. I can’t come up with every single one I look up to and love in this instant. Plus your sheer resilience as a people… and the strength. I could write a whole love letter I swear! Y’all have (and still do) impacted the world so much, and that’s why I find it so sad because there’s so much to be proud of, so much… hold onto that because as much as there’s a lot of pain there like i said earlier there’s a lot of beauty also, and it’s all yours as a collective!
I'm a classical archeologist and egyptologist from a German University and I can, with 100% certainty, tell you, that the mother of Cleopatra VII is unknown, but only so much so, that there are exactly TWO possible mothers to her. Either Cleopatra VI or Cleopatra V. Both very close relatives of her, which was the norm. The Ptolemaic Kings, set to rule over Egypt by Alexander the Great, were very fixated on the purity and therefore legitimacy of their bloodline, which concludes a perfectly documented and heavy incest rate. There is basically zero chance of Cleopatra VII being mixed and being anything else than Macedonian Greek, just like any other Ptolemaian of her ancestry.
The ignorance of the people involved in this fanfiction is driving me up the wall. This is down right science denial and re-writing history for your political agenda. And this bothers me even more, taking into consideration, that my country did the exact same under a certain regime. This is not just offensive, it's dangerous. Plain and simple.
Exactly, that regime is coming back, with a new superiority race.
Very well said.
Thank you for acknowledging the holocaust.
In fact if Cleopatra was a "bastard" the romans would have mentioned it and yelled this to everyone because they hated her and wanted to make propaganda against her. Guess what, not a single mention of it. Plus, If she had been a bastard she wouldn't even have a claim to the throne, a woman and illegitimate? Yeah no way she would have been queen or consider for it like she was. Cleopatra V trifena seems to be the best option, since she stops being mentioned in the registers soon after Cleopatra's birth (suggesting she might have died in childbirth). On top of it all, her portraits and scultures depict her as 100% caucasian.
Insightful input
@@LechLecha893 Holocaust denial is illegal in germany. So I would say, even as it is good to acknowledge the fact, we actually have no right to do otherwise.
As a Greek woman myself, who immigrated from Athens Greece to Canada, I cannot say I am on board with race swapping on a documentary. A documentary series is supposed to be like the news, impartial and accurate.
Sadly, documentaries today are exactly like the news - total fabrications, ideologically driven and bearing no connection to reality…
Unfortunately the news isn't impartial and accurate either 😓
I agree. However the mainstream media is neither of those.
Fo reals? 😡
You racist as hayell 😐.
I’m Romanian and Greek but born in Canada. Documentaries are based on actual events and people. It’s really disturbing and disgusting if these people are allowed to do this
"I don't care what they tell you at school", but using "Africa" as a synonym "only for black people" and disregarding the rich diversity of ethnicities, countries, and cultures in Africa is pretty damn racist.
Exactly, it's sooo annoying. I keep reading all these comments :" Oh Egypt is in Africa, therefore it's black. If you're not black that means you're an invader", and this constant talk about why Egyptians don't consider themselves Africans. Yes we know Egypt is an African country (Afroasian to be more specific), but if it's constantly implied that "African" means "black" , then we are not "African" in that sense. They also tend to overlook all the other specifics of Egypt's geographical location, like it's in a crossroads between Africa, Asia and Europe. It's also a Mediterranean country, and that the great Sahara desert constitutes a natural barrier between Egypt and other countries in the South.
Edit: All North African countries are not black either.
Its no different than saying all of Asia is Chinese
@@bidoof4938 Nonsense, everyone knows that all of Asia is Mongolian!! 😉 Yes, I'm being sarcastic.
It's honestly the same as saying all Native Americans are one people. It's INCREDIBLY offensive.
Just imagine if someone were to say the opposite: “Europe only for white people” - all hell would break loose.
Asians can be dark skinned too. I don't get why they are doing these with movies and series.
I am a native north african with white skin and I am so tired of being called a settler & invader on my own land. The mindset of ''Africa = Black'' needs to go, It's 2024. Stop asking Mediterraneans why they look like Mediterraneans.
Well history is history, time travel and change it.
You are not a native North African, thats like a white person saying he is a native American 🇺🇸
@@setiset516 I'm wondering, why is a random stranger on the Internet making false claims about my own family history and heritage? I'm really curious about your thought process and why you think I'm lying about my ethnic identity?
@@Itsoktoloveyourself so Africa is a black continent right? Ancient Egyptians were black as well. Got it Chief
@@mad3271 have you came back from time traveling?
For the group of folks who's all against cultural appropriation they sure do appropriate the crap out of stuff.
I love it when some shaniqua with straightened hair bitches about White people this and White people that.
THIS. Moral hypocrisy, I don’t care where it comes from, bugs the holy hell out of me.
You do know that it was one woman who decided to make this series. Not the entire population of the black Africans in America right? Like dude, its jada Pinkett Smith, after what she did to her husband will Smith. Do you really think all of us black americans even support or like that woman at all? Celebrities are upper class black people an they don't speak for the majority of us at the bottom that have to deal with the world hatred and continuous brainwashed racism by white people of European lineage. Now we have you Arabs living on the continent of Africa. On Egypt which is a country on THE CONTINENT OF AFRICA an you all are exposing youre empty racism to an entire race of people that are the descendants of slaves that you're ancestors were the ones that took a big part in making the world deal with colonialism from the slave trade they started.
Just stay over there an look into what's being done with the series in full detail before u all go an make more enemies out of people who know full well that you all treat the black african Egyptians with inhumane discrimination an prejudice but try to hide that from the outside world knowing..........chill
I had a friend who LOVES to blackwash everything. She's a legitimate black supremacist.
They couldn't find 1 decent historical African story that they could cast black Africans in?
Makes you wonder.
There are plenty of black African queens that could have been portrayed in this ''doc'' series like:
▪︎ Yaa Asantewaa (Queen of the Ashanti
Empire [Ghana])
▪︎ Amina of Zaria (Queen of Zaria, Nigeria)
▪︎ Kandake Amanirenas (Queen of the
Kingdom of Kush [Sudan])
▪︎ Nzinga Mbande (Warrior Queen
of Angola)
▪︎ Queen Nandi (Queen of the Zulu
Kingdom [South Africa])
▪︎ Queen Asake Temitope Morenike
Ogunwusi (Ife Kingdom, Nigeria)
But oh no... woke Hollywood had to racebend an ethnic Greek (Macedonian / a.k.a. white) woman, just because of name recognition
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None of them are famous enough for woke Americans to take pride in.
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If whitewashing is a thing and blackface is a thing, blackwashing and womanface is a thing.
Man, how you goin' tell me Julius Caesar wasn't black with a name like Julius?
I think Cleopatra's last name was probably Jackson and she looked like Oprah 😡.
The only thing Black Americans haven't claimed as their own are the Chinese. I wasn't racist then, but I'm starting to be now. Most Black Americans are entitled and embraces victimhood so much. Even actual Africans don't claim Black Americans as their own.
The Cleopatra is black thing has been going on for centuries Shakespeare, William Story, and many other historians and writers have stated the same thing. It’s nothing new
Polar bears are black too.
@@finding_aether That’s why they have so much strength
“Cleopatra was black because her grandma said she was black”
Makes a really good argument in a documentary.
History according to vinegar.
Yeah, I would just ask that grandma for one thing - find Egypt on the map.
Cleopatra's father was Ptolemy XII, but he was illegitimate, his mother is not recorded. Cleopatra became Pharaoh upon his death. There is no definitive record of her mother or Grandmother, even if some historians say her mother was Cleopatra V. Egyptologist Sally-Ann Ashton who worked on the Netflix shows states, "Cleopatra ruled in Egypt long before the Arab settlement in North Africa", if the maternal side of her family were indigenous women, they would've been African, and this should be reflected in contemporary representations of Cleopatra".
It seems weird to try and defend this by saying "we can't say it wasn't somewhere in the mix". It's a weird latitude. It's an odd logic where they make stuff up and the burden of proof is somehow for you to disprove it. You could create a Caesar documentary in which Caesar was a dog wearing a human costume on that logic. Maybe that lady's grandmother said that also. But the claims of being ahistorical also pertain to the cleopatra swordplay stuff. So if they somehow defend the casting choice, they still have the problem of not having a start and end point of fidelity.
@@victorcates9330 Nevertheless, Africa is 80% black and we forget civilisations (Including ancient Egypt) actually started with Black Africans. Cleopatra was certainly Greek on her paternal line, but on maternal side there are lots of holes. The Greeks were incestuous and promiscuous too. Why do you think they never recorded Ptolemy XII’s mother? she may not have been Greek, but more likely Black African.
Greece and Egypt: "Why not cast an actress of Greek or Egyptian descent? Aren't you guys all about inclusion?"
Netflix: "Well, yes, but actually no."
They are but not if they white or male😂
Diversity and inclusion really just means less straight white men.
partially no...
Blackflix
ALL YOU LIARS, MANY EGYPTIANS HAVE BEEN MIXED. GREEKS MIXED WITH EGYPTIANS OF NUBIAN AND ARAB MIXED. NUBIANS AND ARABS HAVE RULED EGYPTIAN EMPIRE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE GREEK AND ROMANS TOOK OVER, ROMANS MIXED WITH EGYPTIANS AS WELL. CLEOPATRA WAS LIGHTER SKINNED OF GREEK ANCESTRY WAS BORN IN EGYPT, AFRICA. SHE IS AFRICAN
This is spot on. I'm getting sick and tired of a minority of black Americans going as far as to state Native Americans are originally black. Stop it
They're claiming that as well?
HAHAHAHA as a black man, I laugh every time I see that. I'm also starting to see them rewrite my ancestors' history saying the Bantu came from Israel and we're the 12 lost tribes of Israel. I'm like TF? Mf we don't know shit about hebrews LMAO. I can literally name my entire bloodline down 6 generations and someone is telling me I'm lost? WTF HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 Yep
@@limofootball I know!
africans have lost it, they are the one who are bad!!!! BAD!
As a black woman even I was scratching my head when I saw Cleopatra being depicted as a black woman and asked myself the question “wasn’t she Greek?” 😂
Yep, she was! Add to that the Egyptians were phenomenally detailed in their art; particularly the wall reliefs. You can tell apart fairly easily a Greek from a Nubian from an indigenous Egyptian, all from skintone. Egyptians were brown, just like the main populace of the Levantine region today. Only geopolitics have changed; genetics have not. It's sad, because there's tons of untold stories that I'd really love to see adapted to screen but which Hollywood is too lazy to put the elbow grease into making--mostly about African historical figures, which... aside from the Woman King, we rarely ever hear about. N'Zinga (I think that's how her name was spelled) was amazing. And I'd never have known a thing about her if not for a channel on youtube. She deserves her own movie.
There are so many black African historical Figures that they can do
@@camrondirossi3249 True…
@@camrondirossi3249 yes I’m African but what piss me off the most is there are so many stories they could talk about Africa , like the Nubian empire ,the Mali empire, Ghana empire ,Zimbabwe empire ,the Zulu empire , the Ethiopian empire and more ,there are honestly many African empires they could talk about , there are even some African sci fi books that I honestly enjoyed yet they never turn into movies , there are also some crazy events that could be perfect for movies , like the first African samurai in Japan ,or the African that led to many victories in Russia or the African king that ruled part of India ,honestly so many great stories yet they only focus one race swapping .
@@blissinchains but she sold slaves so it's against the narative
I'm an Egyptian who studied Ancient Egyptian history to become a tour guide. I couldn't waste my time watching this bullshit because the trailer was more than enough, it was actually hilarious because depicting Cleopatra was completely inaccurate (Which is the main character) There are seven princesses with the name Cleopatra sitting on the throne, however, Cleopatra VII is the most famous due to her romance with Julius Caesar and Mark Anthony and she was white/Greek and she ended a dynastic rule of some 5,000 years! Actually, they got everything else wrong in terms of nature, clothes for different classes, wrong hairstyles, wrong accessories...etc. They didn't even specify the dynasty!
It's a complete mess, disrespectful to Egyptians, and disrespectful to the entire audience by selling them ugly lies! If you watched Bassem Youssef's interview with Piers, he also mentioned that Egypt is a palette of shades of skin complexions, mainly wheat color. Royal families were white and the working class was dark because of the sun and skin color varies based on their social class as per the depictions on the walls of temples all over Egypt. Men went to war, and Queens ruled the country. They couldn't even get the correct weapons that changed over 30 dynasties. The popular way of killing for women was poison, and..................etc. Just read a few books!!!!
Cleopatra was of Greek origin on her paternal line, but her father, Ptolemy XII, was illegitimate. Duane Rollers biography on Cleopatra suggests that she may have been mixed. Cleopatras grandmother is not recorded and If Cleopatras mother was Cleopatra V this would make Cleopatra 1/4 African. Her grandmother would have been from the Egyptian Royal court.
And if you were to try to tell them this, you would be called down as a racist.
@@juanawashington9940 The problem and continued legacy of Egyptology is its inherent bias which started with Napoleons failed military campaign of Egypt. Coming to prominence at the height of the slave trade in the 1700’s it denied any connection between black Africa and Egypt. It incorrectly asserted, despite anthological evidence to the contrary, that Egyptians were different to other Africans. This was despite the fact that Egyptians were acknowledged to share many characteristics with Ethiopians.
@@David-hc4xh There indeed was pro-white Colonial bias when Egyptology started, but just as the people and archaeologists of that time were blind to their own bias, don't you think there might be pro-Arab in Egypt and pro-Black biases among European and American Egyptologists of today?
Blackness is highly politicized and ingrained in our American culture and core to most Black people's identity itself. So, I'm a bit guarded when facing the Afrocentric/Hotep claims. Basically, I want to avoid over-correcting because Ancient Egypt, which is one of the most beautiful and fascinating civilizations for me 💖
@@David-hc4xh That's why they made gentic analysis of numerous mumies found, included those of kings and nobility. Surprise surprise : the genetic make-up is globally the same as nowaday. And Egypt was not the "only different one". SUBSAHARIANS, the people at the south of Sahara were black, the people north of Sahara and around the mediteranean sea were, just like today, more clear-skinned. And Egypt was not the only kingdom there, just the one that let us more information about it and the most developed (thanks to the Nil.)
They're calling Egyptians racist for complaining about them stealing culture. THEY'RE CALLING EGYPTIANS RACIST FOR COMPLAINING ABOUT THEM STEALING EGYPTIAN CULTURE....
Edit: To remind my point, I'm talking about culture, not 0.33338% of Egyptians having a link to black countries back in 300BC...
Yeap. This is the ideology of the woke group: “accuse them of what you are, do what you condemn”.
But the Egyptians don’t carry any “white guilt” so it’s gonna be fun to see how they will tear this crap down since they have nothing holding them back AND they are using the exact same arguments that the woke use, but the Egyptians actually have a good point.
I'm convinced at this point that stereotypical black people are insane, racist themselves and hypocrites.
America moment
Historical fact is Alexander the Great was very inclusive of conquered people in his Empire. preferring to assimilate them. today's Egyptians are a multi cultural mixture of those conquered people. Persian, African,Macedonian, Greek who stayed and settled in the Egypt of Alexander. Romams as well. so what is who is a pure blood Egyptian is up for debate. just because your conquered ancestors happened to settle in Egypt. does mean today's Egyptians aren't genetically of African decent.
Saying Cleopatra was a black woman is like calling Jada Pinkett Smith a loving wife
Oh FFS! Get a new joke, bot.
Now let your girlfriends come after me...
I mean, it sounds like she was lovin' _someone..._
Lmaoooo
Old and boring...
Ok but have I seen this jokes under 3 different videos 💀😭😭😭
I read an article on this, where the actress playing Cleopatra was saying that, while Clepoatra was not technically black, she was a woman, and therefore “oppressed” and so because she was oppressed she could be considered “culturally black” is not actually biologically black. That made my head explode. Are these people trying to make “oppressed” synonymous with being black?
I don't know if to 😂 or 😢
Should we tell them that other cultures and races exist? If they said she was greek it would make more sense but no they made her black because they want her to be
Talk about moving the goalposts. She has just proven that there's no real factual basis for claiming that Cleopatra could have been black.
It's as if the word "oppressed" is only apply to black people or woman only. 🤷
Ah, yes, the queen who killed her brother so she could rule alone and whose sisters, who were before her in the succession line, died under mysterious circumstances, who was known as a great politician, ruler and diplomat, was oppressed. Of course. What were we thinking?
I was hurt when I told someone Cleopatra was Greek with blonde hair & green eyes & then they called me racist. I learned about Cleo when I was 15 and read my first book about her. This is when I started to stop trusting the media.
Indeed. Our(US)/western MSM is just outright lies and state media(at best).
Cleopatra being depicted as blonde haired & green eyed is probably inaccurate as well.
Just like Jesus is, pleaaase😅
Why would you think that the ancient greeks were blonde? Because of the Troy movie?
Similar to Cleopatra, that one took some liberties with the appearance of its actors, it's not an authentic source.
@@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel Blonde and red hair and light eyes also existed in the ancient world. (In particular, blue eyes are a MUCH older mutation than people seem to think they are.) We have, for example, ancient Mesopotamian and Babylonian artwork depicting this. It was less common than more dominant darker coloration, but not out of the realm of possibility for people to have.
Accusing others of 'colonizing' while being a British woman just to add insult.
I am absolutely sure that even if Cleopatra herself came back from the dead and told them "Nope, this is nothing like my people and culture were" they would even call her a racist.
She isn't British.
She's a UK citizen, which is a different category, though obviously there is still a lot of overlap.
@@martinspencer1618 there is black British people aswell as white British ect ect because your nationally can be British while your ethnicity is different.
"My people and culture"? Lmao. If she's White they are definitely not "her people".
@Darth Pepe you didn't let them change that. You're so mean. (this has been a joke.)
With all our education on diversity equity and inclusion America still has a way of proving that we are still unaware of a world beyond its borders.
what miss entanglement is doing is actually racism. Not all Africa is black, so making the assumption that it is, is actually racism.
Well North Africans make the assumption that all of North Africa is non black. So isn't that racist of them to say that
@@KemetledAfrica
"They did it first!" - Childish to say the least.
North-Africa is as black as South-America might be.
The indigenous people aren't.
YOU ARE ALL LIARS, EGYPTIANS ARE MIXED, IN EARLY EGYPT THERE WERE DARK SKINNED PHAROAHS , AND LIGHT SKINED PHAROHS. THEY HAD MANY RACES FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE ROMANS LATER TOOK OVER. ROMANS MIXED WITH EGYPTIANS SO DID ARABS. CLEAOPATRA WAS LIGHTER SKINNED AND BORN IN EGYPT, AFRICA. ALL YOU RACE BAITERS ARE MANIPULTED BY BRITISH TAKE ON EGYTIAN HISTORY. DONT LISTEN TO FAKE EGYPTIAN REPRESENTATIVES WHO ARE GREEK. TRAVEL TO EGYPT AND TAKE TOURS, YOU WILL SEE NUBIANS AND LIGHTER SKINNED EGYPTIANS. SHE WAS BORN IN AFRICA, ONLY FOOLS AND RACISTS STARTED THE BLACK VS WHITE RUBBISH.
@@KemetledAfrica not true. We do acknowledge the darker skinned phenotypes in NA. There are even people groups that are mostly melanated like the Nubians in southern Egypt (who btw don't need to identify their race officially anywhere like in the US which avoids the separation in society). The Nubians for example have their own very unique culture in the south but they move like everyone else and commingle with everyone else and no body has to identify as Nubian vs not. Usually the ones who do do it proudly appreciating and celebrating their heritage and culture and are widely known to be genuinely good people. That's not to say no individuals are racist on both sides and that racial discrimination isn't existent but at least it's not facilitated nor encouraged. To the point that Egypt had 2 presidents of Nubian ancestry long before the US had an African American president. I'm darker in skin tone than many Egyptians and lighter than many others we don't draw lines and judge people by skin tone. Nubians are considered Egyptian just as any other minority whether indigenous or immigrant such as the bedouins, the Arabs, the Turks, the Italians, the Greeks, the Chinese, the Indians, the gypsies, the Americans, the Europeans, etc. The same in NW Africa in the Maghreb region and Mauritania with many darker skinned tribes and moorish people live natively and aren't segregated in society. So no, the situation in North Africa is very different from what you're presenting. When the Egyptian media decided to depict the late president Sadat in a movie to commemorate his life, they chose a similarly skin toned actor Ahmed Zaki and made him look as close as possible to the late president in the movie. Even though it wasn't really a documentary. That's why the people in Egypt are fuming not just because they cast a British-African actress to play Cleopatra claiming the inconclusivity of her mother's identity but they even cast the whole crew representing the Egyptians and even the Ptolemies with darker skinned individuals suggestive of a race swap, even her father who has an even less controversial lineage and ancestry. So it's just that they wanted to rather than it being actually likely.
@@KemetledAfrica So you go find a few crazy people and that justifies you to be crazy also? Brah, thats crazy brah
Growing up in a Greek household Cleopatra was an important figure to my mother. I grew up not only learning about ancient Greek culture but Egyptian as well.
This is true cultural appropriation. Racism at its most selfish.
Invaders are racist
Egyptian woman here ,and it is the same thing for me ..+1
What astounds me most is the ignorance not just of Egyptian history but of African history per se. The creator of the show uses terminology that suggests Africa is a uniform entity that shares a common cultural past. This is as simplistic and puerile as saying, e.g., that all Asians are the same. However, in some senses it's even worse. Biology tells us that there is more genetic variety in Africa than anywhere else on earth, and therefore that there is more difference, at least on a genetic level. People who live and work on the continent know this very well. Those who imagine it from afar, from the comfort of their Bel Air penthouses, do not.
@@davesmith826 exactly! I’m from the Middle East but if we were going by ‘continents’ my country would be classed as being in Asia. Does that make me look like everybody from Asia? no.
@@davesmith826
Exactly , I am Egyptian and we have very diverse skin colours that we have never cared about it , we have never had civil wars for 7000 years ! Nor a "Ghetto" culture , now Americans are stealing the "old world "' 's culture and history in order to compensate for their own lack of culture ! ..As if military invasions wasn't enough ! and I don't care if they had even orange skin ,it is the idea that I am refering is to normalise ignorance and falsfying facts .
Why do people have the simplistic view that all people on the continent of Africa are a single homogeneous race? When it comes to the Asian continent, nobody thinks that Chinese, Indians, Thais, etc., are the same race or ethnicity, and no one would cast an ethnically Chinese actor to play an Indian character.
As an Egyptian I am so FED up with that BS. I totally disagree with the right wing generally but you got a strong point with that subject. African American people are doing exactly what they have been fighting against in the first place : cultural appropriation. This has to stop. This is madness.
We want seperation from them here in the states
It's sad that society at large is so self-focused that we can only see what affects us. This is only a tiny bit of what the left is forcing on people all in the name of divide and concur. Their goal is to put everyone in groups, erasing individuality and ultimately human dignity. For example, if you belong to a particular group, you are not human, you have no rights. If you belong to this particular group, you must act and think a particular way. If you should act in any way different than the group assigned to you, either by skin color or sex, say, then you deserve to be punished in every way because you are no longer human. Anyone who subscribes to the systematic grouping of people is living a lie and it's only a matter of time before they find themselves being attacked for something their group is assigned, regardless if they have no culpability.
@@Joemamma-c1f I'm sure that separation is mutual..🤷🏽♀️
@@ashleyhanson-xf4sp you can't fix this. :P
Yep, I’m the same I’m really left wing with most things but it’s going over the top and it’s totally Americans doing it too.
Anyone with any knowledge about Egypt knows modern day Egyptians are a true to reality presentation of what ancient Egyptians looked like.
Like my main comment said I just shouldn’t deal with a queen of England, born in fucking NORFOLK (aka white as fuck) being replaced with a black woman!? There’s no reason for this other than to stoke anger. Plenty of actual black women to celebrate. The outrage is free advertising that’s all it is.
I’m a proud indigenous North African woman… and I can say Cleopatra was not black… I mean Come On… please don’t!
Can you say she was full on Greek?
I typed this as a standalone comment but I wanted to say this to you aswell. Most fucked up part is that Egypt had certain dynasties that were Nubians. Especially the 25th Dynasty, or the Napatans of the Third intermediate Period. There literally were Black kings and queens of egypt but they chose the dynasty that were macedonian greeks. Why? Its obvious. They wanted to use the fact that everyone has heard of Cleopatra and a "Documentary" about her would get more traction compared to the Dynasties that most people hadnt heard of. They just wanted the clout and money and actually did not care at all about Educating the people about black history. Hollywood doesnt care as long as people watch it. They are using every movement to further their own careers.
@@cemulku9668 literally all the later ancient egypt dynasties and therefore the most well known ones were all ruled by greeks. They should have gone to the first half of dynasties where granted they inbred a lot, they still had SOME actual dark individuals whom you could pretend were sub saharan due to lack of data. Black americans seriously think they roamed around the entire african continent. No. Dude most of the slave trade were taken from the dry, hot and dreadfully barren (well in ancient times where farming was very difficult) western side of africa where that notorious black stereotype perpetuates.
And the people of Carthage werent black either. Look at a statue of Hannibal Barca
@@The_Truth- given the fact that the Ptolemaic dynasty were a bunch of inbreds, since they didn't want to share their rule with any other race, yeah, I'd bet the farm that she was 100% Greek Macedonian. All you have to do is research it, ffs.....🙄
How ridiculous that they, American, made a documentary about an Egyptian wrong and then called the Egyptian racist. Oh, the narcissist
Gaslighting hell!!😂
Well, it was produced by the narcissist herself: Jada Prinkett-Smith.
Bring back the Chain trends 😂
Yeah. American producers would be appropriating any country's culture to their liking. Showing that they have no brains and shame.
Most Americans disagree with this thank you!!
Heard no Egyptian say "cast an Egyptian as Cleopatra"
Egyptians - "cast a Greek or Macedonian or Southern European" not even Egyptian- because she was not Egyptian either
Not only they swapped race of Cleopatra, but also changed her character into ‘modern feminist-warrior’. Would you please watch it and point out all the lies in it?
Watching it would give the producers a falsehood that it has been successful. Not actually watching it would tell them that they made a poor decision.
I feel sorry for the actors who took part in it as their reputations will be tarnished, but these are the breaks when you make something that goes against historical accuracy.
Do NOT watch!!! Please! Don't give them the views!
@𓋆 𓊝𓉱𓂃 𓂁 𓂂 𓂄𓂅 𓂆𓁖 I can't even bring myself to torrent it. The trailer alone enrages and disgusts me.
Nah, her arm would get tired from constant having to point at the screen
Metatron made a very good video - I want to recommend his YT channel because he wants the history told correctly.
As an African myself I find it funny how Black Americans who've never even been in Africa are the ones telling the story of Africa all in the name of blackness😅
They can. African Americans are our lost children. They are part of us. The issue is that the stories must be accurately told and even if it's a fiction, it shouldn't be too far from the truth.
I mean isn't that what most of the american "black activism" stuff is about? African Americans and their idea of whatever their heritage is. As much as white Americans have a fetish for their heritage (calling themselves "german", "italian", "norwegian", while not speaking a single word of the language), black americans also have a fetish for their heritage. In the end its all about americans. I mean so called "Black History" usually means history of African-Americans, basically claiming that's THE Black history.
AMEN !! FAKE AFRICANS
@Noob-zi2ce good for you, please teach them about West subsaharan Africa so they can leave us, North Africans alone. And yes, we're indigenous but not black, nothing wrong with it and nothing cool with it either. Africa is diverse the way Asia is, that's all.
They already stole the word "moor" (Moroccans), now Egypt.
That racist behaviour made me extremely weary of african Americans because of the brain washing they've been through.
Beware my friend, don't dare to disagree with them or they are gonna say that your brain has been colonized 🤣
As an Egyptian, myself, I feel seriously OFFENDED.
All their argument is basically that KEMET (Egypt in ancient Egyptian language) means black land, so the people must have been black! Which is very stupid!
Habeeeby, please listen. Black land means fertil land. Egypt is 90% dessert, right? Ancient Egyptians called the desert (deshert) meaning the red land and called the fertil land around the nile (kemet) means black land. Since the nile came with fertil land full of minerals from the middle and east Africa, forming the fertil, black, land used in agriculture.
Egyptian civilization and success are all based on agriculture, so they called our country, Kemet, expressing their appreciation for the land that gave them life.
It has nothing to do with the Egyptians themselves. Egyptians' portraits from thousands of years ago still exist in its glorious bright colours to this very day, and guess what! They look the same as Egyptians now. Same brown reddish skin and the same features.
I feel sorry for their ancestors since they feel so ashamed of them and so desperate to claim others. They are very sad people.
I can’t believe this. Did no one who made this movie 1) fact check, 2) consult historians, 3) THINK?
Word!! Next they will appropriate Hispanic/latin even asian culture.
Thank you for the excellent education! I had actually never heard that before.
Kemit means black land AND black people. YOU ARE NOT THE REAL EGYPTIAN'S and in the back of all your heads you know it. Those pyramids were built THOUSANDS of years before you GREEKS came . You GREENS actually stripped the pyramids of it's lime stone and destroyed a lot of Egypt. You people just don't want to admit it because you won't have a sense of identity. Slowly swallow that truth pill 💊
YOU ARE ALL LIARS, EGYPTIANS ARE MIXED, IN EARLY EGYPT THERE WERE DARK SKINNED PHAROAHS , AND LIGHT SKINED PHAROHS. THEY HAD MANY RACES FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE ROMANS LATER TOOK OVER. ROMANS MIXED WITH EGYPTIANS SO DID ARABS. CLEAOPATRA WAS LIGHTER SKINNED AND BORN IN EGYPT, AFRICA. ALL YOU RACE BAITERS ARE MANIPULTED BY BRITISH TAKE ON EGYTIAN HISTORY. DONT LISTEN TO FAKE EGYPTIAN REPRESENTATIVES WHO ARE GREEK. TRAVEL TO EGYPT AND TAKE TOURS, YOU WILL SEE NUBIANS AND LIGHTER SKINNED EGYPTIANS. THE BRITISH WORD BLACK TRIGGERS YOU GUYS. THEIR IS NO SUCH THING AS BLACK OR WHITE HUMAN. TECHNICALLY.
Ann Boleyn cast as a black woman, not even from the same continent! Blackwashing is racism, no matter how they try to dress it up. Africa is a continent and is not a homogeneous "Black" land. There are diverse cultures and skin tones and all should be celebrated for their uniqueness. To do otherwise is erasing diversity, not increasing it.
100 years from now: “I don’t care what they tell you in school, Elon Musk was black”
More like. "There were no white people on earth" or "they all must wiped out. We had no choice."
@@Lee-Darin TECHNICALLY YOU ARE BLACK . THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BLACK OR WHITE HUMANS, ONLY RACISTS IN 20TH CENTURY CAME UP WITH THAT SCAM.
He wish he was!! Would be able to dance!!! Geez!!
If you note the text, once again there’s a deliberate capitalization error. The words “black” and “white” are common nouns, used as adjectives, describing an implied person(s). Why does it matter? Capitalizing is reserved for proper nouns, words used to indicate a particular person, place or thing.
Some people frown on national sovereignty, though some of them also smile on their own divisions. There’s fewer races than nations. Managing large groups, including corporations, is easier than managing smaller groups, including small businesses. Yes, I’m forcing a second example in here, but I believe it works.
More directly, postmodernists are continuing to target objective reality. The insistence that people live “their truth” is rather telling. Reading Foucault and Derrida gives insight into the philosophy - an insight most lack, regardless of the damage being done. Educate yourself. Play the student and then the teacher. Be both.
@@cloverflower2820.....when you realize Elon Musk was born and raised on the African continent and suddenly that persons comment might actually come true 100 years from now when Black Americans are under the delusion that all africans in ancient or modern times were black.
As a Greek historian and having extensive studies in Roman Empire history, its a slap on our faces. She was as Greek and as white as I am. In fact, she wasnt even dark skinned. Being the Queen of Egypt, did not change her skin from white to dark.
How THE HECK would we be so sure of her skin color? A « slap in the face »? Oh really, is it that bad? Feeling betrayed? You should check your thinking on race.
@@ngonsaintiHer family was from Macedonia and only reproduced through inbreeding or by banging other Macedonians/Greek for generations.
Her dad was the king/pharaoh before her so he most likely got with a cousin or another greek since they didn't care about Egyptians to the point that only Cleopatra learned the language.
There are painting, busts and coins made with her facial features clearly being european and not Egyptian or sub-Saharan africa.
It's pretty cut and dry she was inbred greek. I doubt Caesar or Antony would be into her if she had any Egyptian or black features since they don't seem like the most accepting people 😂
@SonderDAze X I've heard that professor before when I watched a documentary on gladiators. I should have caught on when she started talking about mostly female gladiators. Which were very, very rare. Professors are lying to students. I'm 56, and when I was in college, this CRAP never happened in history.
@@ngonsainti Because I've been studying Greek history for over 40 yrs. Are you some kind of child? Obviously you don't know history either. Better go to a library and check out a real book instead of believing all this horseshit! Are you woke too? Why would you take offense to what I said unless YOU too are racist?
@@ngonsainti You should stop acting racist, and stop commenting, because you will get Destroyed. Cleopatra was GREEK AND WHITE. You don't like it? Disappear!!!!
They could have made a documentary about Queen Amanirenas who ruled over the Kingdom of Kush (today's Sudan). She was black and managed to halt the Roman Empire's push towards southern Africa right after Egypt's conquest. That would have been a great way to promote a truly interesting historical figure.
It shows that this was only about making a quick buck, nothing else.
I would watch that. She sounds interesting. Yet I had never heard about her until reading your comment, which is sad, really.
💯 I’m not even part black and I feel this comment! And I was taught about this warrior queen in public school during the 80s
Yes!!! I would watch that and recommend it to friends and family.
Or queen Shanakdakhete... or any other of the Kushite Kandake queens... or Kandake as an institution. Some of them were true warrior queens, held their kingdom together in perilous times and even had their own freakin pyramids.
But no. It had to be Cleopatra cause someone's grandmother didn't go to school.
It's sad that these afrocentric americans are even erasing the kush and nubian culture and history by saying that they are egyptian, hence egyptian are black. So basically they are trying to erase 2 great civilization by distorting history. The egypt and nubian/kush kingdom
In addition to the obvious, Cleopatra was only 20 when Caesar (aged 52 years) arrived in Egypt. I don't know the age of the actress but she seems rather older than that. Cleopatra, though a remarkable woman, was NOT a warrior. She never went around swinging swords and beating all opponents. This whole thing was pathetically silly and degraded the last Pharaoh with all the absurd claims and bad acting. This was a failure on all levels.
That first clip "I don't care what they tell you in school, Cleopatra was black" gave me goosebumps when I tried to watch the series yesterday. A whole scholar, a Dr, taking her grandmother's word instead of finding academic evidence to back her claim. What a waste.
These are the same crowd who "followed the science". Hilarious, can't make it up.
A grandma is more relevant than the media and all this illusions the world is forced to know
LOVE the line (paraphrased) "we won't do actual black historic figures. We'll just do the ones WE care about and make them black." There are so many REAL black figures of importance.
such as?
The dynasty that unified Egypt were black. You know,.. And those famous pyramids were built by people that left statutes that look very much like black people. Khufru and Khafra are also names that are Nubian in origin it seems. But even then, the north, being at the the Med would have had quite an influx of all kinds of people. The sad thing is that this was made an issue.
@@shaunsteele6926 mansa musa. Dude went on a pilgrimage to Mecca and gave out so much gold along the way he basically devalued gold for the entire region for a good few decades
Yet they didn't bother to do one
@@shaunsteele6926read about Robert smalls
Cultural appropriation at it's worst. Literally trying to steal someone's history from them. It's despicable behavior.
But it isn't cultural appropriation when blaque history acti-fisters are doing it..
Actually cultural appropriation was at it worst during the 1800s with the Indians. This, this here is the most sneaky, slimy, vengeful type of cultural appropriation.
Funny how some people forget their entire history of doing it. And still doing it today.
@@WilliamGarrow Care to be more specific?
@@therightarmofthefreeworld4703 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_gods#:~:text=White%20gods%20is%20the%20belief,known%20as%20%22white%20gods%22.&text=Some%20see%20Quetzalcoatl%20as%20a%20possible%20white%20god.&text=Native%20Americans%20made%20contact%20with,influencing%20their%20religions%20and%20culture.
First off, let’s set one thing straight. Cleopatra looked NOTHING like that in real life.
True, we have statues and bustes of her AND of her fathers, BOTH of which Amala showed in her video !
What is worst of all, is that those that call out this nonsense are called racist. Are told they have internalized issues, etc. Keep pushing back!
And those same people would be crying if an Indian man was cast as MLK in a docu series 😂
I dont give a damn about being called racist anymore. Its lost all meaning. Everyone is a racist.
They're just embarrassing themselves because it makes it so obvious they're ashamed of their actual heritage.
You won't see Egyptians claiming to be Senegalese or Swedes claiming to be Chinese etc.
Perhaps it's more to be pitied than censured 🤔...
You'll note that they keep claiming to have expert research, yet don't quote a single piece of it; meanwhile, several lines are dedicated to accusing the Egyptains of being self-loathing for... defending their own history.
The woke are projecting their own flawed 'logic' onto sensible and historically -researched people. They try to convince by abuse, character assassination + lies.
Ann Boleyn and king Richard III were both portrayed by black women. It’s frankly embarrassing at this point.
King? By a woman? What?
Quarantino. Hahahahahaha. amazing.🤣
@@vaidzius yep. It’s quite a deviation from historical accuracy.
yeah, on average every 10 shows produced this last years at least 6 feature a black woman as main character. This is the narration going on.
Richard III was tranz!
As a Cleopatra Fan, as someone who has studied everything I can about Cleopatra.... Cleopatra wasn't black and this is NOT a Documentary! I've watched a Cleopatra documentary on history channel once. That was a documentary.
I'm glad they did this. They proved how "accurate" ALL their so-called "documentaries" are.
Remember the "Empire 2.0"?
@@verabolton On that point your right. We don't have to do anything they will destroy themselves with such..."documentaries"
@Judith Mirville Pretty much and the worst part is that they pass this thing on as being true. As being factual. I'm sorry but what they did is jus disseminate miss information. Fake news.
My grandma said, I don't care what they taught you in school, Catherine the Great was yellow and ate Kimchi. Yep Russia is Asia.
Russia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, turkiye, armenia is both Europe and Asia
‘‘I dont’ care what they teach you at school, slavery never existed‘‘
Such an easy way to refute anything
My grandfather told me, "No matter what they tell you at school, Cleopatra was a Cocker Spaniel."
@@smith1958b he must write shows for Netflix.
can i giggle at this
That old bitch was also in another documentary about Roman Gladiators. That's my specialty in studying Roman Empire history. Yet she was boasting about female gladiators which did NOT exist except one. I don't remember her name but in history she was maybe mentioned once and was insignificant. Yet this "so called" professor is not only racist, she is a feminist making the whole episode about female gladiators. Females were not allowed to fight knowing the crowd would be totally against it.
Do they not realise that there are many other places to obtain information?
Ive loved history my entire life. It really pisses me off when anyones history is perverted for a political cause.
Absolutely
Well said
Yeah, like Yul Brynner as Ramses, or Keanu Reeves as a samurai, or even a blonde blue eyed Jesus... Huummm 🤔
@@etnomadaul The main difference is those were all considered fictional movies. This is considered a historical factual documentary.
@@etnomadaul Scandinavian Jesus is different from Mediterranean Jesus
It’s not just the casting a black woman but the overly woke “empowered woman” shit again. And I am a woman myself. Depicting her as Xena the warrior princess instead of an actual historical depiction of life at that time, for a figure such as her. It’s so painfully Jada and it’s just all wrong. So wrong. And that woman doesn’t take any criticism. She think she’s the queen of the world. Ugh
Queen Charlotte has also been race swapped in bridgerton although it's a fictional story but it's marketed as a historical drama and seeing as she plays quite the major role in the series you would think that they would have made the effort to cast a real english actress to play the part especially when the character was based of a real life historical figure. There was also another historical drama released in 2021 about Anne Boleyn also played by a black actress that I guess never really got that much attention.
Someone made Harriet Tubman movie
isn’t the actor that plays Charlotte English??? i thought she was from interviews
Well, the kind of people people who get really upset about actor skin colors can only rally against so many causes in their free time. There is just not enough time to get upset enough about it all!
@@AlexSmith-jj6rp He's apparently one of "those" people to whom it doesn't even occur that you can be "real English" and also not white.
@@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel are you talking about corey or india
The problem isn’t just the documentary it’s the fact we’re letting Jada Smith divide the population and cause controversy just to keep herself in the spotlight.
YOU ARE ALL LIARS, EGYPTIANS ARE MIXED, IN EARLY EGYPT THERE WERE DARK SKINNED PHAROAHS , AND LIGHT SKINED PHAROHS. THEY HAD MANY RACES FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE ROMANS LATER TOOK OVER. ROMANS MIXED WITH EGYPTIANS SO DID ARABS. CLEAOPATRA WAS LIGHTER SKINNED AND BORN IN EGYPT, AFRICA. ALL YOU RACE BAITERS ARE MANIPULTED BY BRITISH TAKE ON EGYTIAN HISTORY. DONT LISTEN TO FAKE EGYPTIAN REPRESENTATIVES WHO ARE GREEK. TRAVEL TO EGYPT AND TAKE TOURS, YOU WILL SEE NUBIANS AND LIGHTER SKINNED EGYPTIANS
She's one of those hypocrites that has swallowed the new definitions...
It's okay for her to do it, "because systemic oppression".
@@Nyet-Zdyes The Cleopatra is black thing has been going on for centuries from Shakespeare to William Story. And many other historians have come to that conclusion
@@cobicobi6417 Shakespeare is a historian all of a sudden?
@@Jurassic_Jews He’s an example of one of many who has stated the woman was black.
don't mess with us Egyptians. Cleopatra was Macedonian Greek born in Egypt. All of us Egyptians know that. All Greeks know that. Macedonians were highly inbred so her mother was most likely also Greek. Let's make a documentary of Martin Luther King with a white actor, and say "hey he's from South Africa what's the problem"
Cleopatra wasn't even purely European to begin with.
Greeks back then heavily intermarried with non-Greek cultures and Cleopatra would've been affected also.
@@gloriathomas3245 Cleopatra was in a blood line followed by incest and incest practicing. She came from one of Alexander’s generals and came from a long line of Macedonian-Greeks. She may have not been a white lady, but she was absolutely not black as her Ptolemy blood line shows she was clearly of Macedonian Greek descent. All historical references have never shown her to be a dark black woman.
Egyptian here, we and the greeks are the true victims of this situation. But they want to write the black people as the victims.
@@Fist_Of_Khonshu_69 i'm italian and they're also portraying romans as completely eveil even if for the time they were in they were incredibly advanced, even morally, but we know that those woke crowd cnanot contextualize anything unless it's in their favor. Also by offending classical culture those african americans with no history are offending the whole West, given that Greece was the place where western civilization was born.
@@gloriathomas3245 Who are purely Europeans? Whoever Greeks and Macedonians were, they were not Black African, period.
As a bonus they've insulted the Egyptians and the Greeks.
Well done Netfix, top class wokery!
This is “wokery” this is cultural appropriation
Well, since Netflix does not think Cleopatra was black, who did they insult anyone?
Its sad that we are fighting over a Queen who ruled in Africa, since this history has always been told through the European lens. This docudrama is a welcome attempt to tell our children this story of an Africa Queen. How that, people with darker skin (non European) were once some of the most powerful people in the world and how it was from Africa that Europe got its power and wealth.
@@David-ox7ps Bruh moment
@@Bri7a No it's wokery and I'm pretty sure you're one of dirty Wokerian people who thinks woke is a great idea
Honestly I'm from the left and I still think this is awful. Like you can't just take their history away like that, it's unacceptable. Also POC and Egyptians give GREAT reasoning behind the fact this is SO twisted.
And thank you for speaking out Amala!
Same here. I don't personally know anyone who is left and supports this 'documentary'.
Political views do not matter, this show is trash
just say black stop with the « poc », so discriminating… but you are right sorry
@@ei4163 Thank u for telling mee! :)
Let’s make a show where George Washington was black guys (:
I'm Greek and i look far more accurate to Cleopatra than that actress. It's really sad to know that Hollywood sees us Greeks as people that only drink ouzo, eat mousaka and break plates while screaming "Opa". Stereotyping a country, a culture or a lifestyle, in a funny or serious way, is a maze that you need to know your way through it. Same thing goes for every other country that wants good movies, representing them accurately. What they did to the Egyptians, is unfathomable and they have the nerve to sell it as a documentary and true history. My heart goes out for the Egyptian people...We know your real history and that's never gonna change.🧡
Just for the record, going backwards in Cleopatra's lineage...to Alexander the Great. His father was Philip II of Macedonia, and his mother was named Olympias, and his sister was Cleopatra. .All of Greek lineage , following Alexander's successors, the Seleucids , right up to Cleopatra, who was the first non-Egyptian Pharoh to have learned to speak the native Egyptian language, as only Greek was spoken in the royal court..
Honestly mousaka is amazing 😂 i wish my culture had that dish
@@S.999-w2h don’t worry it doesn’t need to. You can look up the recipe. And don’t worry we won’t blame you for cultural „appropriation“ like others
As a resident of melbourne australia, the largest Greek city outside of Greece, I’d also like to thank your revered and ancient culture for giving us the gift of a drunken 3am souvlaki….. oh and all that other stuff like civilisation etc
Well I'm big bearded white man , and even I look historically accurate in comparison with actress
AS A GREEK, AND YOU BEING A BLACK WOMAN, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS VIDEO. EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS 100% ACCURATE. GREEK HISTORY HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN SO MANY WAYS TO CIVILIZATION. GROWING UP, I NEVER ONCE SAW ONE GREEK ACTOR BE DEPICTED IN A MOVIE ABOUT ANCIENT GREEKS, OR GREEK HISTORY. YET, ALL WE'VE BEEN HEARING LATELY IS ABOUT HOW REPRESENTATION MATTERS. THE SAME GOES FOR ALL PEOPLE, NOT JUST BLACKS - I SEE PLENTY OF TV SHOWS AND MOVIES WITH BLACK PEOPLE IN IT. THAT SAME EFFORT NEEDS TO BE PUT INTO REPRESENTING ALL MINORITIES.
I LOVE YOUR COMMENT BUT WHY ARE WE SCREAMING
YES
BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE HEARD
A bigger problem than Netflix here, is the "documentary's" executive producer, Jada Pinkett-Smith.
That was the real problem lol. What she's been doing to Wil has been horrible
YOU ARE ALL LIARS, EGYPTIANS ARE MIXED, IN EARLY EGYPT THERE WERE DARK SKINNED PHAROAHS , AND LIGHT SKINED PHAROHS. THEY HAD MANY RACES FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE ROMANS LATER TOOK OVER. ROMANS MIXED WITH EGYPTIANS SO DID ARABS. CLEAOPATRA WAS LIGHTER SKINNED AND BORN IN EGYPT, AFRICA. ALL YOU RACE BAITERS ARE MANIPULTED BY BRITISH TAKE ON EGYTIAN HISTORY. DONT LISTEN TO FAKE EGYPTIAN REPRESENTATIVES WHO ARE GREEK. TRAVEL TO EGYPT AND TAKE TOURS, YOU WILL SEE NUBIANS AND LIGHTER SKINNED EGYPTIANS
@@freemygrandma8752 Wenn ein Erwachsener Mann sowas mit sich machen lässt, dann hat er es verdient!
@@Trauriger_Clown I agree
Yep, that's a big part of why I'm never going to watch this docuseries. She is an evil human and I don't want to support anything she does.
and now you've got egyptians fighting for their own heritage, their own culture, and being attacked for it.
As an Egyptian, we have been treated and accused of being “Arab” invaders for having a lighter skin color than the rest of Africa since the start of the Afrocentric movement.. disregard the geographical difference, all the scientific facts and DNA evidences that proves the truth that Egyptians were and always are a mixture of ethnic groups with different features.
They did the same to the nubians in our country 🤦🏽🇪🇬
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Same here brother, Berbers have been accused of being Roman invaders and Europeans who drove out the "original Black People" when there is evidence we existed in Africa since 3000 BC and no one was there before us, we cant deny the fact that there are some arabs like Banu Hilal between us, but we are all very diverse and just because were light in tone doesnt mean we are not african
@@thetrollfather9848 unfortunately African Americans are being dragged into a political agenda of alienating North Africans from the rest of Africa. Some are so desperate to find glory in their past to the point of hijacking others leagues and claim it as their own.
@@thetrollfather9848 im curious are berber people also european? Theyre a very important minority in north africa
@@christophealexander3262 And Berbers were m˘s|im.
Claiming that Cleopatra was black is like claiming that Abraham Lincoln was native American.
You mean he wasn’t??!!! 😮
Actually he was native to America.
@@MrJorgeEnriqueTorresI've never heard the claim that Abraham Lincoln was American Indian. Which tribe did he belong too, and what's your source?🤔
@@theophilussogoromo3000 native to America means he was born in America. "Native" never meant American Indian until the last 30 years or so lol
Or queen Anne Boulinn Henery the eight was played by a black woman.
It’s horrible because it downgrades any legitimate issues the black community may have.
Exactly, their biggest issue is themselves and their refusal to lower the pride/ego and strive to improve. They are standing in their own way, and it’s hurting everyone.
@@medicinemanboxing3222 lol if your not black please.dont tell us what our biggest issue is thank you
Not it doesn't...this is just a movie and it has no effect whatsoever on the black community or their lives. Do you think it's everyone that has time to watch this film. Look for something else to be mad about. And besides Egyptians aren't white either.
@@RK-hj8du, Now I have to be black to form opinions about other Americans? Gotcha 😂, that is racist behavior.
Homicides by black Americans are the highest in this country by ratio than any other ethnicity, and it’s not even close. But the black community won’t own it. Only a few blacks speak out against this tragedy, but you call them uncle toms and such. I will never be silent about this.
If you can’t answer the tough questions, don’t get in the ring.
@@patrick7142 , it’s labeled a documentary and yes and it black washes history. History is something important to me, but apparently not you.
Black Anne Boleyn, Cleopatra, Vikings 😂🤣😂 and there is more examples of historical shenanigans.
You can only cry wolf so much.
To be honest, if Netflix made their own Napoleon movie staring Kevin Hart, I would probably watch it but still would be annoyed if they labeled it a documentary.
Thank you for saying that! As a greek I am really pissed to see the entertainment industry do stuff like that to our history and myths. This is cultural appropriation. No Cleopatra was not black, she had greek origins (even her name is greek). And don't forget that Greece had colonies there from ancient times ( up to recently Egypt had many greeks living there). It is so annoying to be erased from your own history.
She was Macedonian, not Greek. Contemporary Greek were quite adamant in that. And as Cleo had some local input, she might have been blackish if it weren't for the many sources we have on the topic. She had quite the zinc cutter nose, so looked pretty Greek in that regard. Sorry man,.. Alex and his crew were not Greek.
@@chubbymoth5810 they were Greek
ANCIENT GREEKS HAD STRONG AFRICAN LINEAGE.. THE TRUE FACTS ARE THERE!!!!
@@matiusbond6052 then why isn't Greek architecture same as Egyptian?
Why did Greece produce Plato, Pythagoras, Socrates Aesop?
Euclid, ?
It's a south eastern Europe language
@@chubbymoth5810 wasn't Greek but started a centuries long era know as hellinistic 😂😂😂😂😂 are you serious mate? Macedon literally means northern doric
And doric people was one of the Greek ethnic groups
Their royal family was literally called the people of Argos 😂😂😂you know who else believed your nonsense? The nazis, well done
They was speculating those nonsense to excuse the genocide of Greek people during ww3 that lead to 10% population loss
Thank you for speaking about this. As a Greek I was very sad,not just angry but sad because they’re trying to change history with what they believe and then also turn the narrative on us and say we’re racist and all that. It’s a chaos
Don't be angry, that's what they want....just laugh at them.
it's just politics, but I totally understand why you cannot ignore them falsifying history
Is it any wonder that quackademic black history curriculum has led to ”Herstory.” That their cry’s of “Cultural appropriation” are the very essence of what they themselves perpetuate? Stunning hypocrisy.
They tried to steal Greek history, but it didn't work. Cleopatra was proud of being Greek. . We should honor how she viewed herself There are great black African civilizations in Ghana, Mali, Zimbabwe, Ethiopia.
no@SteelerzReignSupremeII
Someone's grandma in 4023: I don't care what they tell you in school, Donald Trump was orange.
“Elon Musk was black”
@@andreshernandez1180 no he is African American 😉😂
@@andreshernandez1180 That could happen actually
That is more accurate than this so called documentary.
You mean 'I remember my grandmother telling me' "HadesShade, I don't care what they tell you at school, Donald Trump was a orange" 😜
It looks like this actress did not even visit once Africa. Africa doesn't mean all people are black. OMG this is embarrassing.
"My mother told me, I don't care what they tell you in school... Cleopatra was black!"... apparently her mother went to college with Cleopatra... She knows all about her...
As an Asian, I find it sad that with so much resources they didn’t fund movies or a series on Shaka the Zulu or other historical figures from Africa. The insistence to swap a well known non-black character into a black woman would be disheartening to say the least, it’s as if Africa’s actual history or stories isn’t good enough for the big screen. I believe that Africa has so much to offer, yet it’s just swept under the rug, and sadly, it’s not the supposedly “white supremists” that are responsible here.
Americans have all the riches in entertainment industry and no talent or even awareness whatsoever to produce anything other than their own smelly political farts these days. Dark times we live in. Korean doramas and Scandinavian thrillers are still good though.
Egyptian Young Nubian Woman Interview
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Scientists finds out the ancient Egyptian pharaohs were Black Africans
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Well said. It's back firing and tiring now.
There was a great mini series back in The 80’s about Shaka Zulu….
@@planetdisco4821 Thanks! What I mean is that with the immense resources presumably at their disposal, I really wouldn’t mind seeing a refined version even if it had been done before. So much time and energy could have been put to better use.
As an Egyptian and I am so glad the entire internet gave those clowns the reality check they desperately needed.
EDIT: Just wanna add something for the clowns who claim us modern Egyptians are occupiers that have nothing to do with ancient Egyptians.
Modern Egyptians are only 17% Arab according to their DNA, with the rest of modern Egyptians' genetic makeup being 68% North African, 4% Jewish, 3% East African, 3% from Asia Minor and another 3% South European. Based on DNA sequencing of Ancient Egyptian mummies.
Source: National Geographic Genographic Project.
Another thing to know is we do have a black minority called the Nubians residing in southern Egypt. Egyptians have a huge variety of skin colors. We're not exclusively white or black.
Funny how now it's possible that someone would confidently tell me I'm not Egyptian then proceeds to advise me to go read a book 😂
Are you a real Egyptian or an Arab claiming to be Egyptian?
you DNA BULL CRAP only confirms you as a liar,NO WAY IN HELL TRUE BLACK EGYPTIANS AND INVADING ARABS HAVE SAME DNA,SO CUT THE CRAP. ALSO THE TRUE BLACK EGYPTIANS DONT EVEN ASSOCIATE WITH,YOU , GO FLY A KITE
I doubt anyone will see this comment, but I just wanna say thank you for talking about this. I'm Coptic, which for those reading and may not know is an ethno-religious group of indigenous Egyptians. What upset me the most was the comment from the actress. Her ignorance shows how dangerous it is when we don't educate ourselves on people's history. Not only was Cleopatra Macedonian, but her portrayal and her ENTIRE court as Black perpetuates the myth that Egypt is historically Black and in doing so, strips away the identity, culture, and history of an entire population. It is well known that historically, Egypt and areas of North Africa were not Black. There is a common argument that Egyptians are their current skin color because of colonization. No, just no. DNA sequencing proves that is not the case. In fact, when I took a DNA test on 23andme, it didn't just come back as Egyptian, it came back as "97% COPTIC"!!!! That's because studies have been done, primarily in Upper Egypt where a majority of Copts reside, and Copts actually have DNA markers not present in Arabs. Indigenous Egyptians were various skin tones and Copts are proof of that as they have largely historically married within their communities to preserve their Christian religion from Arab invasion from about the 8th century onwards. To wash away and conceal the history of indigenous Egyptians by attempting to re-write history using an Afrocentric narrative is in fact "Black-washing."
I am mixed-race (Sa'idi Egyptian father and British mother), and what has shocked me more than anything is when we are compared to monkeys, called neanderthals and cavemen, along with Arab invaders (if you haven't seen the Facebook groups, I seriously suggest you don't look!). If someone had told me that black people could be racist, I'd have never believed it until all this afrocentric rubbish. Afrocentric black Americans seem to be obsessed with skin colour.
Thank you for understanding and speaking about the matter while being impartial. Love from Egypt 🇪🇬♥️🫶🏼
If Jada actually cares about her black queens history she would've done a documentary on Nandi, Nefertiti, Yaa Asanteewa, and other African queens. But no, she chose to claim other nation's history and change it. I believe Jada is fascinated by the global icon and sees herself as Cleopatra. If it was up to her she would play the role herself.
She projects herself onto that character through this actress.
Wrong! QUEEN NEFERTITI was NOT A "BLACK" WOMAN ....and KEMET / THE BLACK LAND refers to the BLACK MUDDY water-clogged banks of the River Nile when the annual flooding of the entire length of the River overflows onto the sandy banks and forms THICK BLACK MUD all along on either side of the 1000mile River ...this mineral-rich MUD fertilises all the food crops of the farmers who produce NUTRITIOUS WHEAT/BARLEY/DATES/OLIVES/ FRUITS/ VEGETABLES and healthy FEED for the Cattle/Sheep/Goats....THE LAND OF EGYPT has beem BLESSED BY THE GODS and throughout its history it has not suffered from FAMINE!
That’s true. I just thought it was funny how much they hyped her up as a total badass as she desperately tries to hold onto power while steadily losing everything, even her life 😅
Egyptians have been in all of recorded time a conglomeration of different races. If you've ever been to NYC then that's what you should think of based on the hieroglyphics in Egypt and all the historical writings from different cultures. Northern Africa has been a conglomeration of different races and people marrying or interbreeding. Nowhere in Northern African history will you find there were so-called black or Sub Saharan people that were dominant. People act like it's a long trip from Europe across the Mediterranean to Northern Africa. Europeans and Arabs along with Northern Africans have been interbreeding since recorded history. One thing that is absolutely certain is Cleopatra and her ancestors were keeping it in the family when it came to keeping the Royal bloodline pure. These people would go so far as to marry immediate family members like brothers and sisters or even aunts, uncles and first cousins. It's just like the European royalty was doing the same thing and interbreeding so much that it began to create genetic health problems. There's no getting around the fact that all the Cleopatra's were Greek. She wasn't what we would consider biracial of black and white. History tells us this is true and DNA especially lets us be certain
Nefertiti wasn't black either.
@@markschmidt9142 true Nefertiti was Egyptian with Egyptians skin tone not every body should be black or white
What the actress playing her fails to understand is that historically, Cleopatra came from a long line of inbreeding. Back then, they thought that marrying into each other (and as a result having children) would "keep the bloodline pure." So the idea of her being mixed race or anything but Macedonian would be nearly impossible.
The issue is that they make the claim that she might have been mixed-race because there are two blank spots on Cleopatra's family tree, namely her mother and grandmother. Neither names were listed, but it's fairly certain that her mother was the Queen married to her father. If not, then she wouldn't have been able to inherit the throne. Grandmother is a bit more tricky. Her name was left blank because she might have been a concubine, rather than the Queen. That's the point where people are trying to say that she could have been of mixed race.
It's entirely possible, but that doesn't change the depictions found in the historical and archeological records. It doesn't erase the decidedly European features seen in pictures, on statues, frescos, etc. They're seeking to shoehorn in something that was never there. It's ridiculous.
@@engmed4400 How do we know her mother and father weren't related? Cleopatra herself married two of her brothers.
@@Ennaitak oh, they were most assuredly related. As for her grandmother, while she most likely came from a concubine, she was most likely Macedonian given their affinity for all things from Macedon.
Cleo's great - great granddad Ptolemy V Epiphanes Eucharistos ("God Manifest") _did_ marry a Seleucid princess (Cleopatra I) who had some Persian ancestry, but as far as actual African roots, there is as yet no concrete evidence.
@@engmed4400 ever her grandmother being mixed face or fully black, and Cleopatra's mom being white or mixed race or black and so is the father...I don't think Cleopatra is that dark.
I'm Egyptian and let me tell you their whole argument of cleopatra and Egyptians being black centers around 2 things:
1) Egypt is in Africa
2) It was called kemet which translates to black land
Yeah that's it that's their whole argument I can't imagine how shocked they will be when they find out people living in Greenland don't have green skin and Indians and Koreans don't look the same despite both living in Asia
Kemet referred to the fertile dark soil from the Nile flooding the lands? if memory serves
kemet means "black dirt" or " black sand", not black land
@@nicksanfilippo9513Yes you are absolutely right
@Hisnamesake7 i mean, because the root of the word is "black soil/dirt/sand" refers to the color of the fertilize soil/dirt around nile river, not the color of the people live on it. so the meanign closer to black soil, not the land of black people.
Kemet means black. Black soil, Black land it's the same lol
Also Sudan means Land of the black
It’s like as a Norwegian my grandma said that Nelson Mandela was a Viking
In another video earlier, I made a comment stating how I'm glad that people from Egypt and outside united against this project and gave it the proper response because if this 'documentary' succeeds, it will give the producers behind it more space to change other historical facts in Africa, and they might even reach the American continent to claim that black people are the native inhabitants. And some person literally replied to me with a long essay explaining how black people are the real Americans and how the native Americans that we know took the land later. Their ideology doesn't stop anywhere. These people literally believe that they're the natives of the planet, and we're all outsiders.
Black nationalists, no different from the white nationalist KKK or Nazi's in anyway apart from skin colour. It all stems from a deep insecurity within the person and ignorance. Both are a deadly mixture, left to grow this black nationalist propaganda will not end well
At the root of all these problems is nativism: the idea that land belongs to specific cultural or ethnic groups because of their historical connections to it. European nativists claim Europe should be populated by whites only, forgetting in the process that Asians and black people of various kinds have lived in and mingled with other groups there for millennia. African nativists, including where I live in South Africa, claim they own the land because their tribe colonised it at some point in the past, forgetting in the process that the original inhabitants of what is now South Africa were the Khoi and San, who were themselves pushed out by other African tribes before Europeans arrived and pushed Africans out.
Moral of the story: land has been fought over and colonised for as long as humans in their modern sense have walked the earth. It does not belong to any specific ethnic or racial group. It belongs to people who have the right (conferred through citizenship e.g.) to it. Where that right has been compromised, as in, for example, Palestine, a group is entitled to land. However, this is not because the group has a specific ethnic or religious character. It is because it has been displaced from its land. That is a sensible way for conferring ownership. The fantasy propounded by nativists the world over - that we can parcel up the globe according to skin tone - is some kind of perverse racialist fairytale.
I to have seen/heard these theories. It is a strange rewriting of history. I got the weird suspicion that these theories were taught through parents and teachers. Creating two groups of people with different beliefs on the basis of history.
Let’s just say, All land belong to Adam and Eve, and then shut up about it.
It has already succeeded as lots of people watched it to see just how bad it was.
It's been the same thing about "Chernobyl" series where some people were mad cause there were only white characters there. The first thing that came to my mind was a question to those people who were mad. And the question is - do you even know where Chernobyl is located? Cause it kinda matters.
The other thing is - how does hollywood and the Black community (the part of it that makes those kind of movies) expect for other people to get to know their culture and history if what they do is use other characters to make movies about?
The third thing is that I'm getting really tired of being sh!tted on just because I'm white. All day, all night, wherever I look and listen there are people trying to make me feel bad or feel guilty for what other people did which I didn't have anything to do with AND while doing so also forget that there were and are "bad people" all over the world. White people didn't "invent" slavery and sure as hell were not the only ones who were using them for work. The historical ignorance of some people is just mind blowing. A lot of people had it rough throughout history, for instance my country was taken apart 3 times by neighboring countries, at one point it was wiped from the world map for over 120 years, then it was completely destroyed in WW2 (as well as hundreds of thousands of people were taken into forced labor camps as slaves where a lot of them died, not to mention concentration camps with gas chambers or mass executions in the cities, forests) and right after the war was over, there was over 40 years of communists stealing from it, leaving the country in ruin.
And to be honest, all that talk about so called "white privilege" is making me sick. I didn't get anything for free in my life, all I have I had to work my a$$ for. I was working sh!tty, low wage jobs for years, had to put up with people and companies that not only didn't care about me but did their best to scr** me over every chance they had. But I didn't give up, cause I knew that I can do better and that I can be better and it's either that or... Well, you can imagine what was the other option. It took me 15 years (not counting all the schools I've been in, and there were a lot of them) to get to the point I am at right now and - this may shock a lot of people - I still don't own a Porsche, a yacht and a mansion with 2 pools. Guess I'm not white enough. And I am a white guy living in country where 98% of people are white, nobody gives a damn about my skin color, it doesn't mean anything, you either make it or not.
Every race, every nation, every country has it's history, let's remember it for the bad things as well as for the good things and learn from it instead of trying to change it to something that did not happen.
Brilliant! Could not have said it better myself. Cheers!
So we had an black actor who played a character who was supposed to be a white king. Say (and I'm not a royalist." That royal family was terribly white & she wonders what the nuances are for the younger audience. Translation, I worry people will see white people in power & I don't like that because I'm racist.
"insert Tallahassee wipe tears away with 100$ bills." we all can't be that privileged to afford a mansion or a boat... or a house... but we can afford to be kind to each other and see each others differences as a unique thing and our similarities that show we are one in the same at the end of the day. Cheers and hope you have a wonderful evening/weekend.
Just wow, did someone really get upset because a move about basically a small town in Ukraine/Soviet Union at the time was all white??????? People are nuts.
These people who complained about seeing too much white people should move to a part of the world where there aren’t any.
They appropriate our history and then call us racist, the audacity.
I hope they ban Netflix in Egypt, cause they have become intolerable.
I am Asian, but have unsubscribed Netflix due to too much wokeness and content manipulation. Blackwashing Queen Cleopatra is the end of the line for me. I make my dollar count.
I call it Anglo-Blackness, making North Africa into Black : ruclips.net/video/43-xiuATKXM/видео.html
Lol didn't u white appropriates others culture too. How many times white people played other races in Hollywood? U played native Indians, u played Asians, played even black Remember Angelina Jolie? Gtfoh
@@SangNguyen-ql3qm never subscribed myself, wanted to in the beginning, but with time they started to decline and show their agenda, so thank God i never did, as you said we make our money count.
LMAO YOUR HISTORY, LOL you just got there 600 A.D., YOUR HISTORY IS THE OTHER WAY... IN ARABIA.... LOL
This is the same when Korean claims tofu was invented by their ancestors instead of Chinese. Also, Confucius was Korean rather than Chinese. Stealing others' culture is a biggest joke. That shows no confidence of selfness.
3:50 “We, as Egyptians, are being called intruders and invaders in our own cultural.” That sums it up, and it’s really sad to see them being erased and villainized for wanting to be seen and accepted, especially in a program that claims to document their own history.
It is really hurtful to us, people calling us invaders when our own DNA says otherwise, ignorance is a disease.
@@EutNehbethawetRuSat I was there for 3 weeks last year and this guy with pan African clothes on threatened my dad to “take it outside” for accidentally bumping into him on the airplane. Sooo much pent up hostility over a fake ideology. They literally talk about how we’re demons who stole their land and then call us anti Black for not being ok with it? Wtf.
Build pyramids to prove that you aren't
@@stonedecatur6602 keep that energy in my country and I'll rebuild your body in my backyard "as a prove"
@@lastKalive STFU before I tell the real Africans to shut off the Nile and tell the Jews to invade Egypt.
These people have gone from annoying to a public embarrassment world wide.
Not really, They been portraying jesus christ as a white dude for over centuries now. you just woke up now, buddy
AGREED!👍
I see I have two replies with only one showing . Did they delete it? Or did the coward comment and block?
If you see a comment, copy paste it to me.
@@code-52 Nope, most likely the ringt wing snoflakes got their feelings hurt and flaged it. lol
@@code-52 What i said was " Not really, they been portryaing jesus as a white dude for centuries now and no one gave a fuck so why get outraged over this. this is nothingn new, you are just late to the party, buddy"
100% spot-on with when she said "why can't you just celebrate actual black people in history" because there's so many "true black" stories you could choose from. Heck--you can MAKE UP YOUR OWN STORY, shocking I know--and have it center around a community of black people in a historical setting, a fantasy setting, a sci-fi setting, etc and have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEMS. What's so wrong with having something black and UNIQUE or original? Why do these kinds of directors and people think that they have to adopt or "put on" some non-black idea/figure to show or explain how they can be powerful?
Here's the unspoken answer: White people have all of the money, producers will go along with whatever they feel like indulging in. For decades White people played actors of colour as they could, then now White executives are pushing the opposite by placing minorities in historically White roles. Until people of colour FINANCE and PRODUCE their own movies, White producers can create any reality they want.
@kkkrevolution3307 In America, there's a hyper-focus on American slave practices toward people who were considered black. Schools, news, other media. It's so focused on that many people either don't remember or are never told about anything else on the topic. It's a sad situation over here.
@@TentenchiAMVs I don't disagree, I just want to add that it's not just about slavery but world history in general.
Yeah they didnt end slavery cause they gave a fuck about African people though.
@ojizarco zurdo there are so many great African history they could have talked about like the mali empire , the Ghana empire ,the Zulu empire ,the Zimbabwe empire,the Nubian kingdom and the Ethiopian empire ,so many great events happened yet they only focusing on their narrative .
Is getting really out of hand. Fictional characters are one thing. But when they start trying to change history then it's a problem.
This all started because of race swapping fictional characters.
I agree. It's totally weird that everything is getting race swapped for black actors and anyone who notices gets the racist talk. In the Little Mermaid there was already a black Mermaid named Gabriella. Why not write a new story? Oh wait, I know why, because it's Disney and they can't create anything good anymore since they became groomers.
??? I could understand your point of view about a documentary. But the fact that you used the " Little Mermaid" which is a child fairy tale to try and compare it against this....😳
Disney has always been groomers
@@ashleyhanson-xf4sp Because........the little mermaid already has an established chracter? Just imagine if they cast a white dude as Blade.
@@ninjedi6710 It is damn fairy tale.
@@ashleyhanson-xf4sp who’s cares he made a valid point
This video and your words are giving me joy. I'm happy to see another black person speaking facts instead of woke bs and someone who is not immediately going for the victim role and pulling the racism card. You're honest and realistic and that's why i respect you!
As a European who was taught Ancient Egyptian, Greek, Roman and then Western European history in school, I have heard enough about Cleopatra to last a life time. I would love if a series on African Queens actually brought some real black history into the main stream. I am a bit troubled by the trend of just rewriting well known historical figures and events according to modern ideologies rather than looking into the bits of history we do not know too much about.
It is laziness. They don't know. They wanted to choose a very high profile queen they were familiar with. They were indoctrinated with everyone in Africa in ancient times was black and since Cleopatra's mother wasn't clearly identitfied, but probably Cleopatra V, they assumed her dad in a heavily Greek city got with an Egyptian. Highly unlikely. And that would make her black, though Egyptians had a lot West Asian and North African ancestry especially in the North. I would love real black African stories, not this. It causes cultural divisions and clashes.
Yes, I watched Chaka Zulu and it was great , I would have never expected him to be blond blue eyed
Love this idea
@@QUINTUSMAXIMUS I wanted to write it. It's a product of combination of laziness and ignorance.
As a kid, I had a couple of stories/history books about the African Kingdoms.
I remember they had a few very famous Black Queens.
I think one was in Ethiopia. It was one of the biggest empires in the region.
Not 100% sure, if she was "Black", but definitely darker than Cleopatra.
And they had other Black African Queens/Emperors.
It's not like only Cleopatra & the rest of the Egyptian Women Pharaohs.
“No matter what they tell you in school, Cleopatra was black.” Is my favorite line. So damn funny. 😂
They cut short on what grandma was saying. Her next sentence was if you don't have something, just steal it. They followed that advice with the department stores too.
@@MandatoryMyocarditis7 Really? That makes it even more funny.
@@MandatoryMyocarditis7 Wait what? Holy shit imagine having someone say that in a "historical documentary" XD
Can we all agree theres a gross black supremacy movement in America popping up?
Not just America, Anne Bolyen a British Queen was played by a black actress !! By a British tv production company.
Popping up? As if this is new.
This has been popping up since the late 1990s early 2000s.
@@imthestighonest3437 british tv has been doing that for years though. Guinevere in merlin was played by a non-white woman. The difference though is they dont perpetuate it as accurate or even any bit of sense. British just dont care. And its more because blacks also just dont care there. If someone gets white washed, they give zero Fs. If someone gets a tanned makeover, they dont even blink.
It takes a lot to get the brits up from their seats to be VERY angry. You would need to make up lies about their most popular queen and get caught on the lies less than a day after it airs on oprah😂. Anything less is not important enough to raise their ire, except for microwaving tea. That gets you banishment
@@imthestighonest3437 also queen charlotte
They remind me of these so-called experts in China who rewrite history with China being the source of every discovery, knowledge, and advancement of civilisation. They also claim that other countries are jealous and trying to steal the glory of China.
Amala is 100% correct about the Cleopatra show. Well done.
They literally made Snow White not White lol
I am very much not on board with race swapping our historical characters. Even in a fictional aspect, it's simply dishonoring and disrespectful to not portray the person's culture and descent properly.
Yeah I mean, switching up color in a tale which has deeeeep roots in Danish culture.... It was really bad in my opinion
Totally agree.
Then I hope you keep that same energy when a fictional black character gets played by a white person
That and it serves as a pretty covienent excuse to not look up actual black historical characters (IE the writers are lazy). And don't tell me some dumb petty bullshit like "Africa has never had epic badass conquering kings, queens, heroes and villians..." that continent has had 200,000 years of humans in it. Many epic people with epic deeds have risen and fallen. Were is my series about Shango? The badass Warrior Emporer with 3 wives, who was later posthumously diefied as a god of thunder? Shaka Zulu, a king and tactician so brilliant he was able to reorganize his army so well they were able repel the British Empire for the time being? Hell a half assed glance at the politics of Shaka Zulu and his dynasty make even the greatest episodes of Game of Thrones look like amateur hour. But no, instead we get writers too freaking lazy to research or (in the case of The Woman King) writers too friggin cowardly to depict events as they were. Historical dramas are great education and inspiration. If only writers had the balls to depict history as it was. 1 part horror. 1 part glory.
@@francescamazzonelli1670 Giving "the little mermaid" a happy ending in the disney version is much worse! I love the original, where the prince marries someone else and the little mermaid dies of a broken heart but gets the chance to get an immortal soul.
Its the same issue I have with Disney. Why is it so hard to do the research and find an actual African legend or historical figure and make movies based on that? THAT is actual representation. Princess Tiana was representation. Anyone who thinks for themselves will see that this is pandering.
Please no body cares if they cast a person of colour with a fictional character.
I agree I think that more diversity would be better if Disney would actually do their research on different cultures and portray those stories in stead of just changing an old story to fit todays agenda or to just gain quick money from people. If they actually did a story on an African story I would love to watch that! And guess what!!! Representation! Like how do you not get it. Just do new stories/movies based on the actual cultures/folklore and you’ll have diversity easily!!! And kids will get to see that and be like wow that character looks like me! And stuff. But no… they want whatever gives them a quick buck and puts them in “the good side” of the far left, and their political agenda. They don’t actually care about representation of diversity at all. They only want our money which is why I stopped watching the newer stuff Disney has put out and their live actions.
I used to manage an antiquarian metaphysical store in my early 20s and my area of knowledge was gods/goddesses and mythology. The African continent and Diaspora literally heaves with characters and spirits. Aido Wedo, Mama Wata, La Sirena, Yemaja are arguably the best known (the maternal water deity) not to mention all the smaller river/lake goddesses/entities across the many cultures of the African continent. There is literally no reason to revise and wash over the many European cultures and storytelling in your own image when Africa is rich with its own storytelling history. It comes down to commodification and intellectual/creative laziness, period.
@@baz3575 yes!!! And I would love to watch something about the myths/folklore of Africa and of other countries. I mean think about how the fairytales we all know of came about to this day. Someone went and studied folklore and came up with a new story for the fairytale and those fairytales have been adapted or redbone in many ways. But you can do the same with other folklore and myths or even just makeup your own world or something and have diversity in it. Like actually be creative for once, instead of being lazy and just rewriting or changing an old story and just be like, “oh we need more representation, let’s race swap.” Cause that is just stupid and lazy writing and creativity on their part.
Well, it's probably because so many lies were told that many people don't know a lot about carbonated (black) women & men in history, especially when colonialism has rewritten history and other race groups helped. We're finding out a lot of truths in this age and time that were covered, though many truths were erased from history and replaced smh. So many lies were told and you expect people to take the "truths" that came from those same people as facts?? Trust has to be earned and includes revealing all of the truths hidden or nearly erased.
But I do agree that just because whyte people whitewash history, characters, etc...doesn't mean my people has to do the same (specifically on this topic). I'd actually prefer we make our own characters (which I'm doing), especially when it's narrated by us, which will usually have a better representation (though there's still carbonated brown people (or black as y'all call us) that like to continue negative stereotypes in media that were created from other races which can be detrimental smh). Since my people have been all over the Earth for millenniums, we definitely have enough history to create from on our own just have to dig it up with existential research on our past that wasn't told by colonialists (which is obvious since why would they paint us in a good light lol), and was hidden or nearly erased (though unfortunately a lot of that history is completely erased/destroyed/etc...). It takes a lot of resources and unification, though we don't have a lot of unity, it can be done, and if rich & wealthy carbonated "brown" (black) people helped fund these things, we'd be able to accomplish this goal. Obviously the poor or financially unstable people of my race can't help as much but they could still find other ways to contribute. So I can understand your point indeed.
Hey, at least this Netflix series has inspired thousands of people to look up free videos on the actual historical Cleopatra and African queens
True 😉
Agree! Also Its not just about casting Cleopatra black, there is wrong depiction in other ways too. She's also shown as a warrior!, which is certainly not true. Cleopatra was well educated, intelligent had a strong personality,(although not a great beauty )a astute politician & could speak about 6 languages including Egyptian!, but no they have to add some feminist
stuff there as well in addition to race swap! I also wonder how many Kushite queens were true warriors!! History has been corrupted so much in this present day, its hard to know how much of its fact & how of its "re- imagined" now!
@@LynC304 They think if a woman isn't violent, then she's worthless. Liv Tyler had issue with Arwen being Xenafied and was happy when her Helm's Deep fight was cut, commenting that the writers, who were two-thirds female, had realized a character could be feminine without being a warrior. Although Kushite warrior queens escape memory, RUclipsr Metatron recently did a video in response to Netflix Cleopatra about the Kandake, a Sub-Saharan tribe that often had their queens with equal power to the kings and were depicted as warriors in Egyptian art. There was apparently a particular one-eyed warrior Kandake queen, Amanirenas, who defeated the Roman forces of Emperor Augustus I around Egypt, even taking a bronze bust of August which the Romans never recovered and then was kept under the steps of a Kandake temple, and when she made demands to the Roman Emperor, he met all those demands! So not only was this Kandake queen everything these sorry filmmakers claim they wanted in an African queen, she actually succeeded where Cleopatra failed and defeated the Romans. But these "documentary" filmmakers didn't think Sub-Saharan women were of importance so they took one of the whitest queens of Egypts because she had a big name and they wanted her notoriety, rather than bring attention to more obscure figures who have gone unnoticed by history, which they claimed this documentary series to be about, whilst Metatron did in around ten minutes.
Edit: My mistake. It appears Kandake weren't the people, but the title given to Queen Amanirenas, the Kushite queen, who kept fighting Rome after her husband died. Sort of an African Boudica who ultimately achieved victory where Cleopatra and Boudica didn't. So it was the Kushites of modern Sudan who trounced Agustus' Roman forces.
Soo true
I don't care what they told you in school. Abraham Lincoln was two eskimoes in a trench coat.
Cant wait to see which black person is going to play Hitler in a Netflix documentary series about WWII
We should actually fund this project :D
Lol!
Wouldn't be surprised.
You already had "the king slayer" as a egyptian god and im sure you loved every sek😅😂😂. If it wasnt for black people folks like you would think that europeans are natives to america, austraila, south africa. You probably belive that the ancient egyptians was caucasian or arab. Well im here to inform you that archelologists found ancient mummies from early dynasties in egypt and the kings had Nubian features. But i know, people like you will close your eyes and ears to this fact and continue the whitewashing of ancient egypt while pointing your finger at black people for "blackwashing", the irony is priceless.
Have you ever sat down and wonder why the ancient egyptians never escaped to the middle east or to europe when populations invaded? Why? Ask yourself why they went further into africa and built more pyramids-- why not go back home to europe or middle east to their "brothers and sistets" it shouldnt have been a problem right?!
You folks talk about "washing this washing that" when yall tried to whitewash ancient Zimbabwe, Ancient Mali, Kush, Egypt-- you folks have tried to claim african history like crazy you even got our artifacts in your museums gaing money out of african history and now yall wanna open your moth about "blackwashing". Not 1 drip of shame
They would never do this, to negative of a role, black can only be strong, powerful high moral I guess
My whole thing with this as a black woman is why does this even matter. Cleopatra being black helps me in no way. My rent is still due on the 1st 🤷♀️
The fact she slept with several white dudes for money and power and still lost her whole kingdom to them doesn't make her a great role model either. There are some great african and black queens who deserves a documentary way more but don`t get the popularity.
Plus murdered her family members so why look up to her
As long as they don’t mind Dr. Martin Luther King being portrayed by Tom Hanks I am okay.
James Earl Ray plays by Densel Washington.
😂😂😂
Don't forget Rosa Parks...
@@DandyLion2024 played by a white man. Get a race and gender swap.
😂
Imagine if one day white americans started claiming south italian ancient history and told them "you are not really pale lake us, you must have come from Africa, those ancient greek cities you have are not your heritage, it's ours because it's the european heritage", and then proceed to make a "docuseries" about Pitagoras casting a tall swedish blonde actor. That's the level of ridicolous
Imagine if they made a Rosa Parks movie and cast her with an Irish or even a Chinese actress. They'd be up in arms over it.
Rosa Parks being played by a black women is a MUST but go off
That's not gonna happen, because today's logic says you can't let a white/asian person portray a black person LMAO
even if the movie is not meant to be historically accurate.
They're gonna be like "ewwwww ur racisssttttt white supremacissstttt"
my grandma said Rosa Parks was Chinese, so she was Chinese!
Yeah, like Yul Brynner as Ramses, or Keanu Reeves as a samurai, or even a blonde blue eyed Jesus... Huummm 🤔
Exactly. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.
If blackwashing is not a thing, then neither is blackfacing ..... just saying.
If racism is not a thing then reverseracism is nothing, just saying.
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Nah, you know how they are. Black people want everything good and nothing bad. Just like feminists. That's why they're grouped together in the "woke" movement.
Dark-skinned people have always clung to fair-skinned culture. You know it. Korean, Japanese, European, American.
If blackwashing isn't a thing, neither is whitewashing.
I’d love to see their defense of casting Jarl Haakon as a Black Woman lol..they did it though (and labeled it as historically accurate) and there wasn’t nearly as much backlash as there is for Cleopatra.
We came to an age where being married to a Billionaire can change History.
If we can change history, I rather believe Cleopatra was a descendant of ancient aliens
Same
Like Mexican!! Lol😊
Stargate should be proof enough.
As all whites are. Didn't you get the memo? We cant be 'indigenous'. To LITERALLY anywhere on this planet. Its cuz we're from Mars. And our messiah, Elon is going to take us home. Just as soon as Starship can get off the launch pad without exploding.
seriously though. Ancient Aliens have far more credible sources, ideas and theories than this. Plus they're far more plausible than Cleopatra being black.
Honestly I feel like the black community deserves better than just race swapping characters. This isnt representation, real representation would be creating their own black characters for them and thats what I'd rather see.
That's my take, and every time I am deemed a racist. But it disrespects everyone involved. New stories need to be told, and adapted properly.
This!!! so many shows and movies nowadays opt to race-swap an already existing character and called it a day. Like i’m sorry, that’s not representation that’s just lazy and kinda disrespectful.
exactly. or they could make a documentary about any number of actually black african queens. like idk amina of zaria was black. queen nandi of the zulu kingdom was black. make documentaries about them. shed light on actual black history
The audacity of these spoiled and ignorant people. They’ve become more emboldened by the things they can get away with here in America that now they’re trying to spread their propaganda to other countries. They’ve hurt the Egyptians and are basically threatening their culture and identity. How incredibly disgusting! I stand with the Egyptians on this. This is not okay. And the fact that they haven’t apologized to them makes this even more disgraceful.
So should the Black or peoplemof color start going after whites for depicting Jesus as white?
Well said!
They will NEVER apologize and back down. They'll never stop.
Stop crying 😂😂😂
I am Egyptian and we are truly disgusted and sad about this ...As if invading on military level wasn't enough ,now they are stealing our own life and history .
People just need to learn that African countries have both people with white and black skin tone... urhhh I'm sick of it. Most blacks doing this don't even know or have grown up in Africa.
They don't know 5 African countries and where they are...
As an indigenous North-African (an Amazigh woman) i'm getting sick and tired of the black washing AND white washing of our very rich history, mind you we are one of the oldest civilisations with one of the oldest languages still spoken to this day (the Amazigh language which also comes in different dialects/versions depending on the region and country) to then have people who have never even set foot on the continent (mostly african americans do this) and claim any and everything that is North-African is sad. I literally feel second hand embarrasment for them (the ones that actually do this)... You literally have your own history, you might not like it but it is YOURS it is what it is. Accept that! Accept that instead of highjacking that which you have nothing to do with what so ever...
As someone of coptic decent i felt that
Like bro they legit calling us arab invaders idk if i should feel offended or just embarrassed for them??💀
Yeah,as an African American we have our own rich history and culture which you can see a lot of in the media.I don’t see the reason for this.
so then you KNOW, after conquest upon conquest. Noth Africa,over the centuries of assimilated Persian,Macedonian, Greek, Roman, Indian people, religion,language. what that result is? Alexander especially welcomed and assimilated those conquered people into his armies. matched them into Egypt. after Alexander died many stayed and made lives,married, had children. those children's descendants who are the Egyptians of today. so I get your using language as a example of historical heritage. no BLACK WASHING GOING ON. a Macedonian general was Cleopatra's father, but who was her mother? go find out the complete truth of North Africa and Africa as a whole and its exploitation by many conquerors over the centuries. on the African continent who are the only purely genetic descendants of ancient Kemite-Egyptians alive today?
@@michaeledens3566 stop trying to think you know OUR history better than we do, I have WAY MORE MORE MORE North-African dna than you do I know my history I know my roots I know where I come from and what people I come from. I would never dare try to teach people about their own history and identity. The absolute nerve, shamelessness and disgusting entitlement some Americans have is appalling! Keep in the states, here in Africa we have no need for it.
@@frilledgyaru291 Exactly, as painful as your history is y’all made damn sure a lot of beauty sprouted out of that collective pain. The way y’all have influenced the world with music, poetry, movies, sports, fashion, lingo even… I mean my god…?! I can’t imagine my life without black American artist’s music, movies, comedians, I could go on… as much as the world has hurt y’all y’all still managed to give to the world and still do. I’m in awe of soooo many African American historical figures, from Angela Davis, to maya Angelou (well they’re not historical but you catch my drift 😅) denzel is my life, Eldridge and Kathleen cleaver, the whole black panther movement, and there’s many more so I don’t mean just people that are in the arts. I can’t come up with every single one I look up to and love in this instant. Plus your sheer resilience as a people… and the strength. I could write a whole love letter I swear! Y’all have (and still do) impacted the world so much, and that’s why I find it so sad because there’s so much to be proud of, so much… hold onto that because as much as there’s a lot of pain there like i said earlier there’s a lot of beauty also, and it’s all yours as a collective!